Best of NBA News Part 2: Knicks 10-Week NO-SEX RULE + ISO JOE OUT of for entire BIG 3 season + Spurs REFUSING to shake Knicks hands

17 Jun 2026 · 1 h 27 min · 24 chapters

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In short

A “Best of NBA News Part 2” recap mixing NBA rumors and hot takes: OKC’s Sam Presti comments about Shea/“foul-baiting” narratives, a Celtics–Giannis trade discussion, and Knicks-related headlines (Spurs refusing to shake hands; Knicks’ reported 10-week “no-sex” rule after their 53-year title).

Guests (from the transcript)

  • Joe (host/regular commentator) and Ocho (host/regular commentator) debate player foul-drawing and officiating incentives.
  • “Uncle Ocho” and “Joe” also discuss the Giannis-to-Boston rumor.
  • “Robert Orrich” is referenced as the source of a handshake/sportsmanship argument.

Key claims

  • Social media “breaks down” players’ games and can amplify foul-baiting criticism; refs may watch clips.
  • Shea is praised for legal separation via shoulder/forearm/hip contact, but criticized for occasional flailing and not always playing through contact.
  • Celtics are “in on” Giannis; Boston would likely trade Jalen Brown (Jason Tatum reportedly untouchable).
  • Spurs not shaking Knicks hands is framed as understandable after a loss.

Notable examples

  • Comparisons to Jordan/LeBron/Kobe/Harden getting calls; Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook for explosiveness.
  • A reported three-team Giannis trade framework: Brown to Atlanta; Giannis to Boston; Milwaukee receives Derrick White, Kaminga, and picks.

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Critique on Social Media's Impact on Players

2:05 to 2:45

Discussing the negative effects of social media on player perception.

“I don't know about your house, but at my house, everybody's online.”

Critique on Social Media's Impact on Players

2:50 to 6:40

Discussing the negative effects of social media on player perception.

“But what I'm saying is this is a part of who he is and what he's done over the past three to four or five years, fellas.”

Analyzing Shea's Playing Style

6:40 to 10:15

Delving into Shea's playing style and contact management.

“And even though, obviously, some people platforms are larger.”

Comparing Explosiveness: D-Rose vs. Westbrook

10:15 to 14:00

Contrasting the explosive styles of Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook.

“if you have been at a game and you look at him, his quads, He got nice quads on him to be as angular and as slim as he is.”

NBA Player Performance and Game Strategy

14:00 to 22:20

Explore the discussion about NBA players and their game strategies, specifically focusing on free throw shooting and adapting to challenges.

“is like, look, don't even worry about it, Shea.”

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22:20 to 22:48

Learn about Copenhagen's Spit Free Pouches and their benefits.

“Made from when your elbow's deep in an engine block.”

NBA Trade Rumors and Player Discussions

28:00 to 34:12

Discussion of NBA players' trade rumors, injuries, and performance, focusing on Giannis and Jalen Brown.

“hard to break up jb and jt because i think they both want a and if both completely if both guys are healthy, you know they're going to be right there in the conference finals or in the finals.”

Knicks' No-Sex Rule Before Championship

34:12 to 35:46

Exploration of the Knicks' unusual 10-week no-sex rule before their big win, discussing its implications.

“Joe So, since Giannis to Boston, Jalen Brown to Atlanta, Boston gets Giannis and the Hawks' 20-29 first-round pick, and the Hawks get a 20-27 second-round pick.”

Personal Reflections on Age and Activity

35:46 to 42:00

Hosts share personal stories on aging, activity levels, and health, discussing testosterone and lifestyle changes.

“I mean, you hear, Ocho, you know the fight game.”

Health and Aging: A Candid Conversation

42:00 to 43:54

The hosts discuss the impacts of aging on health, particularly testosterone levels and lifestyle changes.

“You got to make sure you got to do blood work.”
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Personal Anecdotes About Performance

43:54 to 47:20

The conversation shifts to personal experiences and humorous anecdotes about performance issues and dating life.

“I'm willing to do anything to improve my life.”

The Importance of Medical Check-ups

47:20 to 48:25

Discussion on the necessity of regular medical check-ups and being proactive about health.

“Because, hey, it's going to be a time, ain't no time soon, where they ain't going to be able to do nothing but look at old mama.”

Coping with Aging and Relationships

48:25 to 51:22

Hosts share insights on dealing with aging in relationships and the humor that comes with it.

“Well, can't boy, see that wheelchair up in the corner.”

Sportsmanship and Handshakes

51:22 to 55:01

The discussion transitions to sportsmanship, focusing on the cultural expectations surrounding handshakes after games.

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Competitive Nature of Athletes

55:01 to 55:13

Athletes share their strong competitive nature and reluctance to engage with opponents after losses.

“Robert Orrich had said people get mad at athletes when they don't shake hands.”

Sportsmanship and Handshakes

55:13 to 56:00

The discussion transitions to sportsmanship, focusing on the cultural expectations surrounding handshakes after games.

“So when people are like, that's just not sportsmanship, I'm mad.”

Sportsmanship and Shaking Hands

56:00 to 1:05:52

The hosts discuss the importance of sportsmanship and the tradition of shaking hands after games.

“I love how y 'all pick and choose mama mentality in Jordan until it comes time when you lose.”

ISO Joe's Injury Update

1:05:52 to 1:06:51

The hosts share breaking news about ISO Joe Johnson being sidelined for the season due to injury.

“The third member of our Big Three is out of season nine of the Big Three.”

Recovery Challenges and Competitive Spirit

1:06:51 to 1:10:01

Joe discusses his recovery process from injury, addressing challenges and his competitive mindset.

“Yeah, so my right leg pumping at about 230 pounds, my left leg at like 115.”

Playful Banter and Competitive Spirit

1:10:01 to 1:12:18

Hear the hosts engage in playful trash talk and competitive banter about various games and activities.

“Hey, Joe, all that talking you were doing just the other day about what you were going to do and, you know, post up and do all this and now you want to out the blue?”

Discussion on Skills and Techniques

1:12:19 to 1:14:15

The conversation shifts to skills in darts, pool, and fishing, highlighting each host's confidence and abilities.

“I'm putting out a mean demonstration on somebody.”

Fishing Stories and Techniques

1:14:16 to 1:17:08

The hosts share their fishing experiences, discussing techniques and types of fish.

“I already know Ocho ain't got no touch when it comes to shooting pool.”

Chopping Wood and Manual Labor Tales

1:17:09 to 1:24:00

A humorous discussion about chopping wood, manual labor, and childhood experiences resurfaces amidst competition.

“Man, made me scrubbing white socks because she would say, don't walk outside in your white socks.”

Fishing Tales and Culinary Challenges

1:24:00 to 1:38:00

The hosts share humorous stories about fishing and discuss different types of fish and unconventional foods they would be willing to try.

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0:37Chad Johnson:It's the rage bait. It feels like it's trying to divide people. If we got clear facts, maybe we can calm down a little.

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3:02Shannon Sharpe:a thunder g of sam prestey spoke on the criticism towards sga let's take a listen to what mr prestey had to say relative to shay and the narrative on that you know he's he's playing against six people he's got five defenders and the sixth defender is social media and you know that's a reality and he's not going to be the last player that the machine decides to target but no one's going to handle this gracefully because when they turn it on somebody else they're not going to step up there every night and not acknowledge it i mean what do you what do you mean the machine what do you mean social media what the machine is talking about what social media is talking about is exactly what he does game by game he does it every night I'm sure Mr.

3:55Preston that's your player you have to defend your player but the eye in the sky doesn't lie Joe

4:00Chad Johnson:you saying what you saying you saying he got that foul bait listen listen listen listen I'm not saying I'm not saying sometimes you know he don't over exaggerate you know and try and get calls But, man, that damn game seven, he didn't do no damn foul baiting. That man was getting straight buckets. I understand that part, Joe. But what I'm saying is this is a part of who he is and what he's done over the past three to four or five years, fellas. You know what I mean? He's a bucket getter. He creates a lot of contact. He plays through contact. He actually plays off of contact by lowering his shoulder, not overextending, but using them bumps to create space that's legal.

4:46Chad Johnson:Space separation. Yeah, that's legal, bro. That's what people don't understand. Like, you can use your forearm, your shoulders, your hips to create space. Long as I don't overextend, I can embrace myself.

4:57Shannon Sharpe:The same thing with us, Ochoa, how we do that, how we get that deep in there. Yeah, I just think,

5:02Chad Johnson:I just think, I just think he's so good at it, bro. And he's perfected it that now it's a problem. You know what I mean? No, Joe, that's not a problem which you just explained. There are a lot of players that have that in their toolbox. which about the flailing the throwing your body all over the place trying to create the foul and get the foul get the foul calls that is what he does all the time I see it, you see it Ray Charles can see it, I don't know if Mr. Presti watching, I know you have to defend your player, but the point to where everybody is mimicking some of the stuff he does globally around the world and making fun of it yeah, I mean look Ocho, it's a part of who he is But he's right when he say that machine, because social media points out they break down your game, bro.

5:53Chad Johnson:They break your whole game down, and they may clip from you all the way up for five, ten minutes of you pushing off, creating space. And now, quite naturally, if a referee sees it, he going to watch it. You know what I mean? So he's just planting that seed. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. It's too many seeds out there, Joe. It's too many seeds being planted because we continuously see the same thing over and over and over. As great as he is, he's one that knows how to manipulate his body, manipulate defenders and get calls. Yeah, he does.

6:30Shannon Sharpe:And I think the thing is now is that what Sam is saying is that because you have social media and because you have everybody that has a platform, And even though, obviously, some people platforms are larger. Some people have five followers. Some people got 500 ,000. Some people got millions. And so now when you get everybody that they feel they're a head coach, they feel they're a former player, they feel like they're a GM or an analyst, and they can put this, what, a compilation together and say, look, look at this. I guarantee you if I go back over to your Ocho, I can find something. See, I told y 'all Ocho was nasty.

7:08Shannon Sharpe:I told y 'all Ocho was nasty. Look at it right here. Look what he's doing. And so that's what they do, Ocho. They take all your faults and they compile them together. And they're like, well, damn, y 'all do realize this is over a span of a year, of a span over two years. Y 'all make it seem like it's all in one game. But like you said, anytime somebody finds out how to do something, over time they get better at it. and so now you get a situation where guys have perfected it and it almost looks like a play it looks like it looks like they know it looks like they normal like damn bro how you do that but they've gotten so good because they've seen so many players do it and they get better and better it's just like medicine the first can you imagine the first guy that got his ACL worked on on Ocho?

8:02Shannon Sharpe:Boy, that joke ain't never walking in. The first guy that got his Achilles, they done gotten better. Think about it, Ocho. That was a death sentence. If you got an ACL, it ruined Gale Sayers. It was ruining players. Now guys coming back and having Tom Brady, ACL, you never know it. Adrian Peterson, you never know it. Guys have ACLs now, and they're nothing. Hey, Ocho,

8:29Chad Johnson:Man, you put the ankles out and toe up with that shoulder, hitting them with that shoulder and creating that little space, knocking them off balance. Huh? Come on, man. When you going to do me like that? Well, you, hey, hey, I'm going to think somebody throwing stuff. When I hit you with that shoulder, I'm telling you. Hey, Joe, when I'm sitting in that chair, I ain't going nowhere. Once I anchor down, I ain't going nowhere, Joe. But, hey, one more thing. One more thing. Yes. I love Shea and Joe. Yeah, for sure. I love his game. I like it. I would love for him to play through contact a little bit more without flailing.

9:02I mean, that's what I'm saying. He's too frail to do that. He is so great at what he does. It's one thing to be able to create separation, and it's one thing to flop when creating separation. There's a huge difference. It's a huge difference. Oh, Joe, it's like a receiver.

9:17Shannon Sharpe:All receivers can't play through contact now.

9:23Shannon Sharpe:Hey, listen, I'm picking up with this one down. Everybody can't play through contact. I like that one. I like that one.

9:31Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah. He just, you know. He overdo it a little bit. He just overdo it. He overdo it just a tad. That's because, you know what, you've seen him play so much, and that's just his game, bro. He gets his mid-range. He creates the space. He going to shoot that mid-air all day long. He ain't going to shoot a whole lot of damn threes. He'll get to the cup, shoot a couple floaters. He may dunk it now and then, you know, get you a couple layups. But for the most part, he operated right in the mid-range area. And that comes with a lot of physicality, meaning him using his strength or using your strength against you, using your aggressiveness against you.

10:06Chad Johnson:You know what I mean? He is the best at that. Yeah.

10:12Shannon Sharpe:And look at it. I mean, his lower extremities, if you look at him, if you have been at a game and you look at him, his quads, He got nice quads on him to be as angular and as slim as he is. Now, his upper body is really nothing. But if you look at him from waist down, you're like, okay, I can see how you move. Got a nice, strong base. Yeah. Yeah, he does. Yeah, jaw is another one. You look at jaw, if you look at jaw from waist up, you're like, damn. You look at jaw from waist down, you're like, okay, I can see why you can elevate like that. I can see why you can play off contact the way you does, contort your body.

10:51Shannon Sharpe:Because, man, I ain't never seen nobody contort. The only guy I see, and I never see him play in person, was Derrick Rose. How he can contort his body. He get up in the air and he twisting. He all over here and he all over here.

11:03Chad Johnson:Uh-uh, uh-uh, Ocho. It wasn't none of them better than him at that. D-Rose. D-Rose. Oh, man. When you're talking about attacking the rim, bro, I'm talking about, it may look like he out of control but he in control. He was so explosive. He had so much torque to his body bro. Yes, you know what I mean? I think that's kind of ultimately why I end up giving out. He was just he had so much torque in that body bro. I'm telling you. That boy was mean man. I played a playoff series against him the year he won MVP. He was the youngest MVP. We played against him in the second round. And that boy that was serious man.

11:44Hey Joe who was more explosive going to the basket or putting the ball in the floor going to the basket Derrick Rose or Russell Westbrook Russell Westbrook

11:51Chad Johnson:was like more ferocious he was just like like he trying to straight go through you like it just like he was just yeah he beast mode with a basketball he just was sick with it he just had that mentality D Rose you know he had a real pretty floater I don't know if y 'all really know but he had a hell of a floater yeah he had a hell of a floater but he would dunk you but he would lay you even though he could dunk you. You know what I mean? As opposed to Westbrook, every night I'm coming, you know what I mean? Yeah.

12:22Shannon Sharpe:That man. Russ said, I'm getting to the rim and I'm not going around you. Yeah. I'm going to the rim. He's like, hey, you see that right there behind you? I'm going there and I'm not going around you.

12:33Chad Johnson:Absolutely. Absolutely. Hey, hey, hey. This almost, for my dog lovers out there, it's like Russell Westbrook, he's a Belgian Malinois you tell him go get that dude he's jumping through the window a dead road more like a German shepherd he gonna figure out how to get around it without you know what I mean like yeah hey

12:55Shannon Sharpe:also I recommend do not get a Belgian Malinois unless you got time unless you got space that is not a dog for somebody that's just old I just know he'll tear your house up that dog has boundless boundless energy it's meant it's meant to be to burn that energy and if it doesn't burn that energy outside it's going to burn that energy in your house and it's going to tear your house up so I'm just giving you a little advice on all these little cute and cuddly dogs that you see, ooh I like him understand what that dog, that dog was bred and if you're not going to allow that dog to do that leave it alone Get it.

13:40Shannon Sharpe:People get dogs and they run the way. Well, why the dog hurting my kids? Because that's what it's doing. You won't let him do that outside. So it's going to do that inside. You're going to have your kids huddle up in the corner. Yeah. But look, I think the thing is also, guys, if OKC is still playing or if OKC had, you know, Sam Preston is not having these comments. He's trying to take some of this off. is like, look, don't even worry about it, Shea. Continue to do what you do. Let me fight this battle. Yeah. And like Shea said, Shea's like, oh, I'm going to hear it. I'm not the first guy that they said Jordan got calls.

14:24Shannon Sharpe:They said Bron got called. They said Kobe got called. They said James Harden. Great players normally get calls. Who the hell you think going to score 30 points and don't shoot no damn free throws, Joe Joe Joe? Right. Yeah. A guy averaged 30 points more times than not, unless you KD, you're shooting about 10 free throws a game for sure.

14:46Chad Johnson:Yeah.

14:47Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. I don't care damn who you are. I don't care if you Jordan. I don't care if you Kobe. I don't care if you LeBron. You Shea. You Luka. James Harden. You shooting that many free throws. Unless you Kevin Durant. Unless you Steph Curry. Oh, you shooting that many free throws. Yeah.

15:01Chad Johnson:You got it. Because those guys love to score the ball so much. that you have to find different ways to create points because when you're at the top of the scouting report, everything revolves around you, not letting you get comfortable. You know what I mean? Denying you the ball. So every night you're going to probably have a different challenge. You know what I mean? And, Anc, I don't know. I think if they were still playing right now, Anc, I think that music right there would be a little louder because people would still be talking about him foul-baiting and all that because his game ain't going to change.

15:35Chad Johnson:You know what I mean? he is who... Why would I change it? But I'm saying if they had made it to the finals, I think that's... You're probably right. Because people are going to say that's how they made it to the finals. There you go. So he can't win. You know what I mean? He just got to continue to keep

15:49Shannon Sharpe:dominating. Yeah. That'd be like, Ocho, that'd be like you trying to change your game to play like Julio, Brandon, Marshall, or one of these big physical receivers trying to play T.O. Hell no! My job, I'm playing on edges. I ain't got to get your damn hands on me. Hey, you know how I would end up trying to play with them? Play with them? Over the side line. Over the body Gatorade. You going to be a gunner. You see how them guys have them gunners hemmed up? Throwing their ass all on the bench? Yeah. You got to realize the guys that play physical, look how big Julio was. Look how big T.O. was. Look how big Brandon Marshall was.

16:26Shannon Sharpe:Look at the size. Brandon Marshall, 6 '4", 230. Julio, 6 '3", 225. T.O., 6 '3", 215. Megatron, 65241. Yeah, they can play the contact. Yeah. But why am I going to try to play like that when I'm 185-1? Man, please, get out of here. Are you scared? Yeah, I am. You're right. Go ahead. Yeah. But guess what? Them playing physical and me playing our own edges, we're getting the same results in the end zone on you.

16:57Chad Johnson:Yeah.

16:59Shannon Sharpe:So that's what I tell people. Look, I have to use what I have. to be successful. I can't play like everybody else plays. I mean, yes, if I'm going up against a corner or a safety, yeah, I'm going to play the contact. I'm going up against a backer. Why would I play that way against a backer and he's outweighing me by 10, 15 pounds? To try to prove a point, how tough I am? Boy, I'm in the league. I'm playing tough enough. Damn, y 'all. We don't get no points to be tough. Right, right. Y 'all got me big. Yeah. Aces topped the storm, 101-91. Aja Wilson had herself a game, guys. 34 points, 12 rebounds, 9 assists, 3 blocks.

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17:41Shannon Sharpe:Jackie Young added 29 points. Aja became the fastest player in WNBA history to score 6 ,000 points, doing it in 13 fewer games than Diana Taurasi. Aja did it in 271. I mean, excuse me, 278. DT did it in 291. She was 10 of 19 from the field. I don't know if y 'all noticed but she working on MVP number What's their record?

18:07Shannon Sharpe:I think they lost three They lost three or four games Ash 8-3

18:12Chad Johnson:Oh yeah Jackie Young got it going now

18:16Shannon Sharpe:Yeah I guess she had some Things off the field Off the court She got that rectified She been cooking ever since

18:25Chad Johnson:They got a nice squad bro They got a nice squad Well, I always expect the aces to be there. I mean, when you got a big, I feel like if you got a big in the WNBA and she is dominant as age is, it's shit. You know, you're going to be projected, you know, be one of the top teams if not the top team every year. Yeah. And they got to figure it out. They got to figure it out.

18:55Shannon Sharpe:Oh, man. They got Jackie had 29. Chelsea had 12. Asia, 34. Smith had 16. When they get Kennedy Carter back, because Kennedy Carter was going to be the sixth woman after going to be the sixth woman. What did she do? She got hurt. She hurt. I think so. I think so, Joe. Yeah. But you know what? Hey, I'm looking at Asia. If you notice, Joe, she's added that three ball to a game.

19:20Chad Johnson:Yep. She was three for five tonight. Yeah.

19:24Shannon Sharpe:Remember the other time? Damn, I wish you could have got that. That triple. That 10th. That one more season. That triple-double. Yeah.

19:29Chad Johnson:You know, in today's game, bro, it ain't just the men out here expanding their game. These women, man, they taking the game to a whole nother level, okay, Ocho? Hey, hey. These big girls ain't just out here. They ain't just in the paint no more. You know, you get a lot of girls. And that's why, you know. A lot of them girls coming from overseas to play over here in this league, them girls can shoot that ball, boy. Yeah.

19:54Shannon Sharpe:Man, look here. And she's still the best defensive player. Why y 'all bull jibing? Yeah. She's the best bull. She's the best. Hey, two-way, give it to you. Like I said, I've seen, look, I was, I'm older. The NWNBA came in, and I know all the great players. To me, now, if you want to say college, I would say Stewie is probably more accomplished. when you win four championships in college, four most outstanding players, you're a two - or three-time player of the year, and she's a two-time MVP, and she's won finals. Okay, but I'm talking about this right here? Now that she got that three ball in her bag, you know she got a midi.

20:41Shannon Sharpe:She got the three ball now. You know she got as good a postgame as that we have currently in the WNBA. and she give it to you on the other end bring it in if you want to

20:53Chad Johnson:and she got a mean pump fake too her pump fake that shot fake she got that thing mean boy that thing mean

21:03Shannon Sharpe:and what she got her competition in the off season is bam she said if I can score two three points on bam y 'all ain't got nothing y 'all chicks ain't got nothing y 'all got no chance zero Zero. All I need is to see two or three go in.

21:20Chad Johnson:Y 'all ain't got nothing for me. Bam. Hey, hey. Y 'all got left to zero. Bam, taking it easy on Ocho on the court.

21:28Shannon Sharpe:Hey, what she said, bam, hold on now. You got to realize now. Come on now, hey.

21:39Shannon Sharpe:Hey, if you don't want to sleep on the couch, back your ass up a little bit. He didn't jump off. Because you know Bam is an outstanding one-on-one defender against guys.

21:53Chad Johnson:Yeah.

21:54Shannon Sharpe:So, but I'm saying, she's like, hey, I'm working on him, and I'm working on my postgame against him. I'm working on my punk thing against him. Well, if I can do anything against Bam, what you think I'm going to do against you? Right. But she, hey, she's my favorite player. She's my favorite player to watch. I always try to watch her. I got to go to her. I got to get to her. Copenhagen's Spit Free packs American-grown tobacco into pouches. Made from when your elbow's deep in an engine block. They're masked up, torching deep cuts into stubborn pipes. Her helmet's on, riding deep into backcountry.

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26:26Shannon Sharpe:Yonis to Boston rumors. Ocho Jody heating back up. Kevin O 'Connor reignited the Yonis trade discourse with an eye-opening update on the Celtics' interest in the Milwaukee Bucks superstar. O 'Connor said the Seas are willing to part ways with all but one of their players. I've heard Boston is shopping people around a lot now that Boston is making calls. Boston is open to trading anybody besides Jason Tatum. And that doesn't necessarily mean they'll land Giannis at the end of the day. But I do believe, based on everything and all the conversations I had, is that the Celtics are in on Giannis and that they are making a push on him.

27:08Shannon Sharpe:This feels very, very real to me. Joe, many have thought about this. many says look let's just say for the sake of argument it's right here jt jb yeah all things being equal i've always felt they would trade jb before they ever got real to jt right right i've always felt that let me know what your thoughts are and what your thoughts are on this potential

27:33Chad Johnson:trade well yeah i think uh it has to be some truth to this rumor uncle ocho because it's been circling and man if boston can get yannis obviously you gotta trade jb

27:51Chad Johnson:i don't know man i mean that's you know that's that's a hell of a pickup i'm not gonna lie to you i know him and i think him and jaylen brown are two totally different players uh it's just hard to break up jb and jt because i think they both want a and if both completely if both guys are healthy, you know they're going to be right there in the conference finals or in the finals. Yep. Every year. No if, and, or bust about it. I think the question is because the injuries have been kind of mounting up on Giannis the past few years. You know, he's been hurt a lot. And JB, he plays, bro.

28:27Shannon Sharpe:He ain't, yeah. He's nothing but, he's doable if nothing else. But he's turned himself into an all-NBA player. We know he won the finals MVP. We know he He won a Larry Bird Eastern Conference MVP, but he showed last year that he can carry a team. Yeah.

28:42Chad Johnson:Yeah. And I think that's what took his trade value up, too, if y 'all want me to be honest. I think that took his trade value up. I've been hearing reports that, you know, it may be like a three-team trade. I've been hearing Atlanta's trying to get him down here. I've been hearing somebody. Who, JB?

29:00Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Yannis. JB. Okay.

29:02Chad Johnson:Yeah, but I've been hearing a bunch of rumors, man. But for sure, Milwaukee is going to trade Giannis, and he's going to shake up the Eastern Conference for sure. Yeah.

29:12Shannon Sharpe:Because here's the thing. You hear all these trades. You've never heard Jason Tatum name mentioned in any trade, have you? No. It's always who?

29:21Chad Johnson:JB. And I wonder since he's been streaming lately, you know, JB been streaming, I wonder does that play a role into them wanting to trade him too? Man, they wanted to move that, man. They've always felt that Jason Tatum was the better of the two players. Boston felt that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But without JB, Uncle Ocho, you don't beat the Mavericks in the finals. In the finals.

29:55Shannon Sharpe:Because JB did a number on you, Luka.

29:57Chad Johnson:Yeah. You're not going to get that. As great as Giannis is, you're not going to get that full court press like that, you know, man-to-man, in your face, and can come down and get a bucket, a two-way. Yeah, he's a two-way guy. He's going to give you some block shots. Hell, he's going to give you about 15, 16 damn rebounds a night. Playing with the Celtics, I'm going to say anywhere from 25-plus points, he's going to be terrific. You just got to hope you can keep him healthy, he can stay on the down.

30:25Shannon Sharpe:That's my concern, Joe. Yeah. The last couple of years, the injuries are starting to come with greater regularity, and they're starting to keep him out for longer periods of time. Absolutely.

30:36Chad Johnson:Absolutely. That worries me, too.

30:39Shannon Sharpe:And normally, old people don't get healthier as they age.

30:45Shannon Sharpe:I'm just... Look, I understand Boston's going to... And plus, the thing is that Giannis is going to want a new deal. And the deal's going to have to be done before you trade for him, because you'd be a damn fool to trade for Giannis with one year left on that contract and not got a long-term deal. You'd be a damn fool. Yeah. He'd be a fattae. Yeah, exactly. So that deal, a deal is going to have to already be in place or the parameters of a deal is going to have to already be. But I wouldn't take that because you remember Boozer, he pulled a fast one on Cleveland.

31:18Chad Johnson:On Cleveland, yeah, and signed with Utah, yeah, when they let him out. Or did he say he took a fast one on Utah and signed with Cleveland?

31:26Shannon Sharpe:No, he signed and pulled a fast one on Cleveland. And you know who his agent was? Who?

31:36Shannon Sharpe:Who was his agent, Ash? I'll give you one guess. He might be working for the Lakers. Rob. Palenka. Palenka. I hear you.

31:51Shannon Sharpe:Because they understood his value, they said, you know what? We want to get. They say, if you let us opt out for your teenager, we'll sign back with you. They let him get out, and guess what he did? Right to Utah. Yeah.

32:09Chad Johnson:They had a deal in place already. Hey, where'd you go get that bag, man? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

32:21Shannon Sharpe:So, man, I mean, to see the way JB has grown over the last year, the way he's improved his game, he was always super athletic, Joe. Yeah, yeah. But now he's got the three ball. He can always finish.

32:35Chad Johnson:Yeah.

32:36Shannon Sharpe:Tremendous bounce. Yeah, yeah.

32:40Chad Johnson:Can score on anybody. He can do a little bit of everything, bro. Just a hell of a player, for real. Damn, I can't believe Boston going to let him get up out of that at all.

32:58Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. I guess y 'all didn't know that, huh? Y 'all didn't know that about... I shouldn't even brought it up. I don't even know why I brought that up, Joe. Oh, Joe. Ain't none of my business.

33:13Shannon Sharpe:I follow Lee real closely, Joe.

33:14Chad Johnson:I've been following the lead for a while. I see. I see. Ocho say you've been watching basketball since 1912. I do remember.

33:28Shannon Sharpe:I do remember. The first thing I can kind of remember is like the Portland beating the 76ers in the NBA finals. Yeah. Even though it was tape delayed. Yeah. And the Sixers had the lead, had a 2-0 lead, and then Portland come back and win four straight. Damn. Yeah.

33:46Chad Johnson:let's go Spurs

33:49Shannon Sharpe:then the Super Sonic I think the Super Sonic nah the Bullets won in 78 and then the Super Sonic I think won in 79

33:58Chad Johnson:yeah them damn New Yorkers been partying since game 2 hell

34:02Shannon Sharpe:they hell wait till you see the party tomorrow

34:06Chad Johnson:yeah there ain't gonna be one tomorrow alright

34:09Shannon Sharpe:here it is the three team reported trade Joe So, since Giannis to Boston, Jalen Brown to Atlanta, Boston gets Giannis and the Hawks' 20-29 first-round pick, and the Hawks get a 20-27 second-round pick. Milwaukee gets White, Kaminga, two Hawks to 20-26 first, two future Celtics first. Atlanta gets Brown and Dane.

34:39Chad Johnson:I guess

34:42Shannon Sharpe:Rishar Rishar

34:47Chad Johnson:Oh yeah You say Atlanta giving him up Yeah To Milwaukee

34:52Shannon Sharpe:With Derrick White Rishishar Kaminga Two Hawks 2026 first 2026 first And two future Celtics first

35:05Chad Johnson:Hey them folks don't want to see JB and JJ together down here. Damn, we're going to have the food. They're going to have the food. Boy, the house is going to be back for real while y 'all playing.

35:37Shannon Sharpe:Hey, speaking of Sparks, two days after the Knicks claimed their first NBA title in 53 years, as Mikel Bridges confirmed, on a James Dolan issued a 10-week no-sex man prior to the team's big win. 10 weeks? Damn. Hold on. I mean, you hear, Ocho, you know the fight game. Joe, you've heard fighters, they go away and no sex, and they want to build that testosterone. It's 10 weeks?

36:00Chad Johnson:Yeah. You know damn well none of them boys listen to that shit. NBA players? You don't think so, Ocho? The majority of them guys on the team, Knicks, though, they married.

36:17Chad Johnson:Huh? I ain't got nothing to say. Y 'all ain't got nothing to say. Y 'all don't think them dudes, y 'all don't think they... I do. Yeah. Yeah. Ten weeks is a long time, though. Yeah, it is. Especially when you're used to going like... Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you go harder to paint? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And all of a sudden you say, hey, bad, please. Yeah. See, I know that's hard for you on Ocho because y 'all thinking like, here about every two, three days, I need to make this thing throw up. You know what I'm saying?

36:47Shannon Sharpe:Every two or three days? I'm talking about every two or three hours. What the hell you talking about? You know what? Hey, Joe, I don't know what's wrong with me. I'm not as active as I used to be, you know? Once, every two weeks, maybe. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what's wrong with me. I'm going to be honest. We family. I can talk to y 'all. I know I play around a lot, but you can tell by my voice and my delivery, I'm not joking. Like, you know, once every two weeks, sometimes, maybe twice in two weeks. I don't know why. Maybe because I'm on the go so much. And

37:27Chad Johnson:wifey, she don't live with you, do she? No, she often, it feels like she live with me, you know?

37:33Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, okay. Look here, as I've gotten older, I don't have the same level of appetite. I don't work out like I want to but that there

37:48Hey you know are you thinking because I'm older now Unk?

37:52Shannon Sharpe:I don't know what your problem is that ain't got nothing to do with me Unk Joe you need to figure that out you need to go talk to somebody about that I'm just thinking how it was Hey Unk Joe I'm thinking about how it was in my 20s and 30s as opposed to how I am now where it's like you know most of the time I initiate stuff but when it does happen she has to be the one to initiate everything. I don't own it. I think age catching up to me, boy. You think so? A little bit. Don't get me wrong but I guess I can afford to tamper it back.

38:25Chad Johnson:Right. You know what I'm saying?

38:27Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. I mean let's just say Usain Bolt's still fast. He ain't what he once was but he's still fast. Right.

38:33Chad Johnson:Right. Yeah. Yeah, I get you, Drew. I get it. I get it. I get it. It might be something wrong with me, boy. I don't know. Nah, ain't nothing wrong with you, man. You probably just on the go a lot. Got a lot going on. You know what I mean? You can't. Yeah. You already know you can't be still. Can't. You know what I mean? Yeah.

38:50Shannon Sharpe:Hey. Catch me on the right day. Hey. Hey. Hercules. Hercules. Hercules.

39:03Shannon Sharpe:Hey, you do the right thing. Nah, I already know. Nah, it's a. I mean look look good times don't know he does anything I think the thing is that when you know being professional athletes you're like it's not the same but you know I might not even be hungry

39:31Chad Johnson:but once you sit at the table

39:32Shannon Sharpe:I'm going to eat a belly full yeah

39:34Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

39:39Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. You know, hey, let me get some of the mashed potatoes. Let me get some of them, you know, let me get some Hawaiian rolls. You know, hey, I'll take a slice of ham.

39:51Chad Johnson:Yeah.

39:52Shannon Sharpe:Hey, let me get some turkey. Oh, I'll take oxtail.

39:57Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

39:59Shannon Sharpe:You got cornbread, too? I'll take a slice of cornbread. Yeah.

40:02Chad Johnson:A little bit of this, a little bit of that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Yeah.

40:10Shannon Sharpe:But I don't know what is wrong with you, Ocho. Baby, you know what? Maybe your testosterone level is low. You might need to go get your testosterone levels checked. Hey, y 'all told me to take them supplements. Ain't don't them supplements help with that?

40:21Chad Johnson:Oh, no. This was going on. I'm starting to put two and two together. See, you eat a lot of McDonald's. So it lowers your testosterone level to wipe it out. It lowers your testosterone level. because you ain't getting the proper proteins that you need in your body, magnesium, sodium. Ain't no way you getting out. Hey, look, you ain't getting the right fibers in your body. Yeah, man, you need to get right homeboy.

40:46Shannon Sharpe:And plus, Ocho, you got to realize you were an athlete. And so you had to build that testosterone and plus your adrenal level. So you had that fight or flight. Think about how many times you had that fight or flight.

40:59Chad Johnson:Yeah.

41:00Shannon Sharpe:You just burn through that reserve. Yeah Yeah

41:08Shannon Sharpe:Boy, I think you're probably at zero now, Ocho

41:11Chad Johnson:Yeah

41:12Shannon Sharpe:Damn Y 'all sound like I ain't got no hope

41:16Chad Johnson:You got hope now I'm just saying It's still time Hey, Joe, y 'all supposed to send me the supplements to take, man That provide all the magnesium and stuff

41:27Shannon Sharpe:But your eating habits You cannot exercise a bad diet in a situation like that, the question is yours. Yeah, I mean... What do you want to do, Ocho? You want to be like, I'm not saying it's going to cut, I mean, but it'll be better than what it is. Do you want your levels to come back to what they were? Or close to what they were? Obviously, once you hit 30, your testosterone levels start to dip. Hey, would Doug Flutie and Frank Thomas take in that commercial? No, that's what it's about, ain't it? That's Kelly. You got to be careful with that. You got to make sure you got to do blood work. You got to get all that stuff taken care of because, you know, black people, black men, especially black men, have a high rate of prostate cancer.

42:14Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. So you got to be careful.

42:16Chad Johnson:Hey, hey, hey, you got to slow down on them glizzes. Yeah, you got to slow down, bro. Hey, I had two at the arm. See what I'm talking about? Yeah, at the stadium. See what I'm talking about? Man making fun of me eating my hot dogs, but you ain't going to dress it up or nothing? Oh, no. Hey, Jay, they making fun of me because I'm eating my hot dogs plain. I mean, condiments cost. I ain't paying for that, too.

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43:04Chad Johnson:Yep.

43:05Shannon Sharpe:Once you hit 30, that's why you got to change something, bro. Man, I'm going to hit 50, too. That's why you can't lose weight like you once could. That's why you can't cut up like you once could. Because your body don't produce the testosterone that it once did. That's why it's easy for a man to get in shape than a woman. Because a man has higher testosterone levels. It can produce estrogen. that's why it's easy for a man that's why you hear women say man you done dropped 10-15 pounds in a month, two months it take me a year to do you lose that yeah you have big muscles, big muscles require energy energy burns fat ain't the doctor could describe some testosterone pills for your boy now you're gonna have to get blood work yeah I could do that, you know I like needles

43:53Chad Johnson:hey but you gotta you gotta have you gotta you gotta clean up your eating habits bro okay i i could i mcdonald's once a week man i won't do it like three three three four times a week i could do that yeah yeah but i gotta i gotta i gotta i mean if you want if you want if you

44:10Shannon Sharpe:want to come back if you want to put down a ring demonstration like three four times a week like you once could yeah okay okay okay yeah he ain't ready to make that change

44:24Chad Johnson:I can tell. I can tell.

44:26Shannon Sharpe:I see the hesitation. I see the hesitation. I'm willing to do anything to improve my life. You know? Anything. You know? That one time every two weeks that's a demonstration in itself.

44:43Chad Johnson:Yeah. Okay. I kind of embarrassed myself in New York. I kind of embarrassed myself in New York. What happened, man? Hey. But about 50 seconds to a minute, boy. A dud. A whole dud. Yeah, boy. 50 seconds? Yeah, yeah. Too exciting. Yeah, it was rough, boy. Too damn exciting. Premature. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was ugly, boy. Hey, Ocho, it don't make you no bad brother, man. We ought to have one of them. Hey, Joe, honestly. Hey,

45:14Shannon Sharpe:yeah, I have now. I mean, I was much younger. Yeah. I had, you know, that's why you got to control your breathing. Yeah, yeah. I be thinking about something else. I mean, I be like, oh, man. That's an elephant. That's a tree. I can't be thinking about what I'm thinking. Man, please. Yeah. It was tough, boy. It was sad. You know, I mean... Ain't nothing you can say, man. Nah, I tried to make an excuse. I was like, damn.

45:41Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, just roll over, take a nap, bro. She held me tight, though.

45:48Shannon Sharpe:She held me tight. Oh, man. You already know. Hey, Joe, you already know it's a bad time. When she started just kissing and, oh, baby, it's okay. Nah, damn. Nah, damn. Yeah, yeah. Get off me. Damn. Yeah, I was a little discouraged, but just for her to hold me up and, you know, rub my head and stuff, man, it's going to be all right. Yeah. She rubbing your back like you were a child, like your mama or your grandma used to do your back. It's okay, baby. Yeah.

46:14Chad Johnson:Damn. You ain't bounce back? You ain't? that's where the testosterone come in at. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You couldn't catch your second win? Nah, I ain't had no knowledge. Yeah, it was rough, boy. It was rough.

46:30Shannon Sharpe:See? Hey, you know back in the day you used to pull a double or a triple? Triple? You used to pull a triple shield. Triple? With no problem. Hey, with no problem at all. Yeah. Now look at you. Now look at you. Take care. pulling a double shield. Ask you to work overtime. You're like, we're overtime? I done work two days straight as it is.

46:53Chad Johnson:After a fight for your life.

46:55Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Yeah.

47:00Shannon Sharpe:Hard but it's fair, sad but it's true. Better you than me, though, with you. Yeah, no, yeah, it's all good. Don't make fun of me now. I don't make no fun of you. Look, it could happen at any given moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

47:11Chad Johnson:Hey, hey, hey, hey, it's gonna happen to plenty of people in the chat, I'm sure, bro. They can relate. They can relate. Yeah, but not at my big age, Joe. It's not happening at my big age. Just be glad. Just be glad. It's still working, Joey. You right, you right. You right, you right.

47:28Shannon Sharpe:Because, hey, it's going to be a time, ain't no time soon, where they ain't going to be able to do nothing but look at old mama.

47:33Chad Johnson:Oh, man. Don't tell me.

47:35Shannon Sharpe:Hey, or I get them two popsicle sticks in a rubber band. You just put them popsicle sticks together in that rubber band. That's all I got for you, mama. I'm going to keep it what now? That's all I got? I'm sorry.

47:48Chad Johnson:Yeah. Oh, man.

47:50Shannon Sharpe:You got them old people, you see them on the porch, Joe, don't you just rocking? Rocking back and forth?

47:55Chad Johnson:Yeah, baby.

47:55Shannon Sharpe:You remember?

47:56Chad Johnson:Yeah.

47:56Shannon Sharpe:I sure do. Now that's just a figment of my imagination. Damn. I'm going to bounce back, though, man. But I'm saying, go to the doctor, get your blood work done, let him see where your levels are. Hey, they got something to help you out.

48:13Chad Johnson:Yeah.

48:14Shannon Sharpe:But the problem is, Ocho, once you go to the doctor and he get your levels back up, boy.

48:21Chad Johnson:It's going to be hard to tame him. It's going to be hard to turn it off. Hey, she got insurance now. She got insurance.

48:32Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Well, can't boy, see that wheelchair up in the corner. Tell me, what you got a wheelchair for? Tomorrow, you'll find out.

48:43Oh, man. Oh, man. It's just reminiscent. How old is Cambodia, Jojo? 38, 39.

48:54Shannon Sharpe:Okay. So she like seven, eight years younger than you. I know Jojo people. Hey, and then you know, hey, well, please.

49:02Chad Johnson:Yeah, what? What? What?

49:05Shannon Sharpe:That sweet spot by 35 to 45? Yeah. Yeah. Man, you're I'm talking about they thick in the wheelchair rubber. Woo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo! And you know the wheelchair got the whole bitch rubber. Yeah. Joe. What do you want? Ocho, go on to the doctor. Yeah. Get your blood work done. Yeah, I got you. I got you. I got you. You'll be all right. I got you. You'll be all right. I do. I got you. But just go ahead and tell her beforehand, because she's going to be like, well, you ain't never performed like this before. I mean, no, you know, in the beginning when you first meet. Yeah, yeah. This ain't no first meet.

49:48Shannon Sharpe:This when you 22. This when you a teenager.

49:52Chad Johnson:Yeah. I can sum it up on the first time. She gonna look back at you and say, what is wrong with you?

50:02Shannon Sharpe:Come on now. Hey, Ocho, like your boy, they all in the closet looking at them on the face. Come on, who helped you? Ain't no way you did this by yourself. That is just me. So just go ahead and say, hey, get my levels checked out, make sure everything's okay, X, Y, and Z.

50:26Chad Johnson:Yeah. Mean demonstration, don't you? Hey,

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54:58Shannon Sharpe:There's a lot of discourse about the Spurs not shaking hands with the Knicks after a loss. Robert Orrich had said people get mad at athletes when they don't shake hands. When you go back and you start the 2000s back, nobody shake hands. We didn't care. We just lost. And we don't want to talk to you. So when people are like, that's just not sportsmanship, I'm mad. I just got my ass whipped, and I'm not trying to be friends with nobody who kicked my ass. So I don't understand the people who never played sports get so upset. Oh, he didn't shake hands. I just lost. I don't want to talk to you right now.

55:28Shannon Sharpe:I know a situation. A guy got left off the Olympic Dream Team because he didn't do what, Joe and Nocho? Shake hands. Shake hands. Oh, my goodness. And everybody, you see how they do? You see how they move that goal, Joe? Oh, they're going to move it now. They're going to move it every time depending on who we're talking about. Everybody said because every time – hold on. Every time Michael Jordan lost, he shook hands.

55:53Chad Johnson:Yeah.

55:53Shannon Sharpe:When the Celtics kicked his ass, they swept him every time. When the Pistons beat his ass, he shook the hand. And everybody's talking about, oh, my goodness. I love how y 'all pick and choose mama mentality in Jordan until it comes time when you lose.

56:07Chad Johnson:Yeah.

56:07Shannon Sharpe:Oh, but you want to talk. Oh, but you want to talk. You ready to be in somebody's face when you win. Yeah. Absolutely. Oh, so you die. You want to key, key, key. All I'm saying is this. Nobody likes to lose. When athletes, we're very, very competitive. That's kind of what makes us how we're wired and kind of what makes us who we are.

56:27Chad Johnson:Right.

56:28Shannon Sharpe:But I can't get behind this. I can't get behind this. I can't. Right. So you don't like them not shaking hands? My thing is, is that when you win, do you shake hands? Yeah, they do. Yes. Okay. so you all about winning so you so you're supposed to win all the time right so what about the team so what about the team that when you win they come shake your hand right i got you you know it's just i'm just like i said i just know people i remember and i saw in the last dance and everybody talked about it and i guess as long as you as long as you they killed azale yeah yeah they killed azale and y 'all know damn well it kept him off the dream team.

57:15Shannon Sharpe:John Stockton is a phenomenal player. John Stockton wasn't better than Isaiah. At the time of the selection, Isaiah was a two-time champ and he was a finals MVP. Damn. He led his team. Isaiah was at one point in time the best player on that team. John Stockton was never the best player on his team. Karl Malone was. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, at that point, Unc, it's all about sportsmanship. You know, we learn at AAU, you know, when you're young, regardless of what sport you play, win, lose, or draw, you always shake your opponent's hands. Always. Hey, but when you look at it, with their young Spurs team

57:58Chad Johnson:who was very emotional. Yeah. Yes. I think, you know, they took this series to heart. I think it was personal for those guys. And with them being so young, bro, you know, I just think they took the emotion to be like, to hell with it. And y 'all finna celebrate on our home floor, too? Damn, y 'all. You could've stopped that.

58:18Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. You could've stopped them from celebrating. You right. Definitely. You could've. I used to tell people all the time when I was on CBS, I said, y 'all don't want T.O. dancing in y 'all end zone? Keep him out of it.

58:28Chad Johnson:Right.

58:31Shannon Sharpe:That wasn't going to happen. You don't want him doing your dance? You don't want him doing what he doing? You don't want him standing up on the star? You never see T.O. celebrate until he get his ass in the end zone. Well, you let him in there. Mm-hmm. Look, this with anybody. Because I got to be gracious in victory and in defeat.

58:52Chad Johnson:Yeah.

58:54Shannon Sharpe:Because you're not going to win every game. You're not. And, you know, now, guys, you see guys going, it's 10 minutes left in the game, and they get blown out. They go dap everybody up because they up out of there. As soon as the game over, they gone. Yeah.

59:10Chad Johnson:Yeah.

59:10Shannon Sharpe:And I guess that's the way I said, look, man, I ain't want to stick around. I just want to go and give them their love. You know what? I shouldn't get upset. It's a different time now. And, Shannon, you just got to accept it. These guys don't look at things the way you do. They don't see things the way you do. And they're not going to move how you move. I just have to accept that. And you know what, guys, tonight, don't shake hands. Y 'all do what y 'all do.

59:35Chad Johnson:You think you'll give a damn they shake hands or not now? I don't. I really don't. Yeah, yeah. It's a respect thing, though. Like, you know, when you respect your opponent, bro, after you come out of a hard-fought series, regardless of the fact that you feel like you may— you probably really, really do feel like you should have won the series. Right. Yeah. But, you know, showing respect is part of the game, bro. It's part of the game, all I got with you.

1:00:00Shannon Sharpe:So what about women not talking? We okay with that, too? Well, I just lost the game. I don't want to talk. He didn't talk again? No, I'm just saying, I don't know if he didn't talk again, but I'm saying he did it that one time. Oh, that one time. So my thing is, so what? When I win, I'll talk and I'll shake your hand. But if I lose, I don't want to talk and I'm not going to shake your hand. So is that where we are now?

1:00:23Chad Johnson:Yeah, basically.

1:00:24Shannon Sharpe:Okay.

1:00:24Chad Johnson:That's what they let them get away with. Okay. I mean, we just, you know, got to keep it 100 now.

1:00:30Shannon Sharpe:So what about that Jordan mentality? What is it about they love Jordan so much? Everybody talk about Jordan. Yeah. What did he do? I mean, maybe there was a time, and you know what? I wish I'd have known this because I would have looked it up and see had Jordan ever dipped out on an interview, had he ever lost a series and didn't shake the guy's hand. Every time he shook Boston's hand when they whipped his ass, Milwaukee when they whipped his ass, the Pistons when they whipped his ass. As a matter of fact, Isaiah wasn't the first one to do it. Go back and look at the Celtics. When Isaiah done beat them and they left the court, But see, y 'all don't want to talk about that.

1:01:08Shannon Sharpe:Y 'all don't want to have a real conversation. But I'm old enough to remember.

1:01:11Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to have a real conversation because all he did was go get better after he got his ass whooped. I'm going to go get better, and I'm going to come back better. And that's what he did each and every year.

1:01:20Shannon Sharpe:That's all you got to do. But he understood that was a part of it. No matter what you think about him, good. And I think he's phenomenal. He's one of the two, for me, one of the two best players. I got Bron first. But hey, if you got Jordan first, I ain't debating you anymore. That's your thing. Because you're not moving. This Jordan-LeBron debate is just like a President Trump debate. Those guys that voted for him, you can't move them.

1:01:44Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:01:45Shannon Sharpe:So stop trying. If you look at the deal that he tore up and he just signed, he's giving them more money than President Obama gave him. But that's all right. We did that from a position of strength. Who cares if I got strength or not? You didn't lose no lives, and you didn't have to help rebuild their country and give them$20 billion. But anyway, that's neither here nor there. in this situation like I said I'm cool with it Nigel I just understand it's a different era it's a different time these guys don't see things guys pick and choose what parts of a guy they like and what they don't they disregard it so they love Jordan's game and the branding and everything he did but they don't look at that part that when he lost he still shook the hand

1:02:26Chad Johnson:yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah But I think it's got a lot to do with a lot of these teams, too, Uncle Ocho, holding these players accountable, too.

1:02:36Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. No.

1:02:38Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:02:42Chad Johnson:Yeah, because as professionals, bro, we have obligations, whether we know it or not.

1:02:47Shannon Sharpe:Of course you do.

1:02:48Chad Johnson:Yeah, and talking to the media is one of them. One of them. Absolutely is. Win or lose. Yeah.

1:02:53Shannon Sharpe:Win, lose, or drive. Hey, you think I want to – I mean, look, and y 'all know I love to talk. but man, when we got out there and got beat and I know we played like some slaw hey, guys, they beat us we played bad, but I don't want to say it's just all us they had to be a reason why we were playing bad because we didn't practice like this and we thought we had a great game plan coming in they were the better team well, what could you have done differently? probably like block, tackle, run the football other than that, nothing what the hell you want me to tell you but I just understood it was a part of the game

1:03:32Chad Johnson:it is and it's hard when you lose it is you know why it's hard when you lose because it's hard to critique yourself it's hard because guess what after a good game when the media running there and you know they running there to get a good sound bite from you it's the same damn way when you play like horse crap they gonna run in there still because they still want a sound bite from you And it's hard for players to be like, man, I was trashed tonight, bro. You rarely hear that. It's some guys who will take accountability, and those are guys that we love and we enjoy hearing from because you know they're going to get better.

1:04:10Chad Johnson:They're going to come back better. But you know what, Joe? What's that?

1:04:14Shannon Sharpe:When a guy play good, he don't ever say, let me look at the tape and see what I did good. It's only when he play bad, he's talking about it's hard to tell right now, but I have to go back and check. You notice that, Ocho? Yeah. When a guy played good, you look at a quarterback go throw for 400, a receiver catch for 200, running back rush for 150, a couple of times, he don't ever say, well, you know what? I need to go back and look at the tape. Let them lose. What they say? Every player say I need to look at, every coach, every player, I need to look at the tape. It's hard for me to say right now.

1:04:42Chad Johnson:Hey, they trying to save a little criticism. They don't want to have to criticize, man, our quarterback wasn't hitting on nothing tonight. That's what happened. You know what I'm saying? Oh, man.

1:04:54Shannon Sharpe:yeah but I get like I said Ocho Joe it's just a different era it's just a different time now and you just got to accept it the sportsmanship is what we were taught how we I remember you know Pop Warner we used to lose Ocho and guess what we getting a single foul line don't we hey straight down shake shake Shake everybody's hands. I remember them days.

1:05:24Chad Johnson:Yeah. And then coach, make you get in line, even if you don't want to shake hands. Yeah. Oh, you going to shake hands after this game. Line up on that 50. Everybody.

1:05:33Shannon Sharpe:Yep. Yeah. But that's a different time. So, guys, look, no matter what the sport is, if you don't want to shake hands, don't shake hands. Yes.

1:05:51Shannon Sharpe:We had some breaking news right before we started the show. The third member of our Big Three is out of season nine of the Big Three. According to the league, the Detroit Amp superstar and former champion MVP, ISO Joe Johnson, will be sidelined for the entire 2026 season due to complications from a torn patella tendon he sustained last summer. Damn, Joe. Damn, Joe. What happened, Joe? Hey, Joe. Hey, hey. Hell, hell no. Hell. I'm starting to say he's waiting. He got scared, though, Joe? Hey, he's scared. He's scared of me, Joe. He's scared of me. Now you did all that talking and bull jiving. Now you can't play me one-on-one.

1:06:25Listen, Ocho, chat, I want to sincerely apologize.

1:06:31Chad Johnson:You know, my bounce back just ain't what I thought it was going to be, ladies and gentlemen. You know, it is probably the most catastrophic injury I've ever had. You know, I've been doing everything I'm supposed to do right. I went and seen my doctor. Yesterday he did a strength test. But, you know, we do single-leg strength tests. They strap you down in the chair and everything to where you can't move on.

1:06:53Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, it makes you do extension.

1:06:54Chad Johnson:Yeah, so my right leg pumping at about 230 pounds, my left leg at like 115. Oh, no. You know what I mean? So that imbalance.

1:07:04Shannon Sharpe:You about to get injured again, Joe.

1:07:06Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that imbalance, it'll cause me to overcompensate. Next thing you know, I've been to hurt something else. Hurt something else. He told me I'm probably about another three to four months away from really being 100 and really feeling like myself. Hey, man, I ain't going to question the dog, bro. You feel me? Like, in my heart of hearts, though, throughout my process of recovering and training and working out and trying to get back out there, it's been tough, bro. It's been tough. It's been tough. But, you know, I'm taking my time, and I'm going to do whatever I can, you know, to get myself back right.

1:07:40Chad Johnson:But in the meantime, in between time, you feel me, I got some other stuff brewing in the pot.

1:07:46Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

1:07:46Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah.

1:07:47Shannon Sharpe:So did you know, do you feel like it's imbalanced? Do you feel anything is off, Joe?

1:07:52Chad Johnson:Yeah, I do. I do. I mean, Ocho, I can run. I can go to the gym, hoop. But after about 10 to 12 minutes into my workout, you know, you feel that weakness in there.

1:08:05Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

1:08:05Chad Johnson:You know what I'm saying? And, like, my push-off, my stop-and-go and all that, you know, cutting it, it just ain't 100, bro. It ain't where it's supposed to be. Yeah, it ain't where it's supposed to be. So, you know, I got my range of motion back. I just got to build this quad muscle back up and, you know, get it comfortable to this right leg. And I'm left leg dominant. That's the leg I have.

1:08:30Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, you jump off that leg.

1:08:31Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah. I kick with this leg, jump off this leg. This is my power leg. My left leg is, even though I'm right-handed. I don't know if y 'all right-footed or left-footed.

1:08:41Shannon Sharpe:No, I'm a right-handed guy, but I mainly jump off my left leg. I can launch, go up two feet, but I'm mainly a left leg jumper also.

1:08:52Chad Johnson:I'm saying, but if y 'all kick a ball, like, Ocho, you play soccer. I kick a ball with my right. I'll say, my left foot, that's my power leg. That's what I kick with. Really? Like, my mama was left-handed. I just didn't get the left-handed part. I'm a righty, but I'm a lefty from waist down. You feel me?

1:09:10Shannon Sharpe:Yes. Yeah. No, see, my grandfather wouldn't let that. my uncle, I had an uncle that was left-handed and my grandfather hated it. So anytime he saw the grandkids with something in their left hand, he popped the shit out of that hand and put it in the right hand. He didn't want it. So if cousins that's Libby's the oldest on my mom's side. She's the oldest grand. And then up until say, I'm like, I'm probably like seventh. Libby, Arnie, Eugene, Doc, Spanky. Lanny, Marilyn, and me. I'm eight of Grands. So if we go back down to probably like 13 or 14, the ones that I can remember, ain't none of them.

1:09:53Shannon Sharpe:If they were born when Papa was alive, ain't none of them left-handed. I could assume that.

1:09:57Chad Johnson:Damn. Yeah, yeah, man. Damn, Joe. Man. Damn, that sentimental shit. Joe ducking. Man, damn. Ocho, Ocho, Ocho. Hey, Joe, you ducking this smoke, Joe. Ocho, slow down, Turbo. Slow down, Turbo. Hey, Joe, all that talking you were doing just the other day about what you were going to do and, you know, post up and do all this and now you want to out the blue? Ocho. Hey, Joe, that's kind of fishy, man. Ocho, Ocho, the smoke's still there, partner. We just got to postpone to a later date. You know what I mean? I ain't postponing shit, man. We finna play. I ain't trying to hear that, man. Hey, hey, you going to postpone it or you'll get your ass with which one you want.

1:10:38Chad Johnson:Okay, I'm going to kick you right in that leg, too. Yeah, all right. Okay. All right. All right. I'm just letting you know. All right. Now that I already told you, I'm trying to be cool. You know, I'm in my feelings over here because I can't compete. I can't hoop. So, look. Oh, no. Hey. Oh, you're going to compete. Oh, I'm going to make sure you compete. I don't care. Not about what that doctor said, boy. You finna get this work, boy. All right. All right, Ojo. Okay. Yeah. Fuck, man. Ain't trying. Oh, now. Hey, out in the blue. Oh, now all of a sudden, oh, I'm hurt. Oh, hell no. I ain't trying to hear that.

1:11:11I ain't trying to hear none of that.

1:11:13Shannon Sharpe:Hey, see, Ocho, see how you were talking about that? We can't get out outside. We can't do nothing outside. Joe can't do nothing. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, hold on.

1:11:22Chad Johnson:Both of y 'all hurt. Nah, nah. Hell nah. Listen. Just because I can't play basketball, that don't mean I can't kick on y 'all ass now. Okay. I think y 'all got to misconstrue.

1:11:33Shannon Sharpe:Joe, I ain't finna let no one-legged man beat me in no 50-card. I ain't throwin' a new dart.

1:11:40Chad Johnson:Ocho, in January, I was on one leg. Can you imagine? I'm a whole totally different person. Ocho, imagine. I mean, think about me, Joe. I was on one leg, too. That's because you were taking a beating, boy. I had to beat y 'all down to your break pads, boy. Okay. Hey, that was Ocho. Ocho didn't win.

1:12:00Shannon Sharpe:Not one of them. Hey, I had on my good clothes. I wasn't trying to mess up my church clothes. Well, listen, listen. Hey, we're going to get back out there. We're going to find something this fall we can do. Hey, we got darts. We got fishing. We got a couple of things we're going to do. We're going to get outside. Hey, wait till you see my hair when we outside.

1:12:24Chad Johnson:Your what? My hair.

1:12:28Shannon Sharpe:Hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey. Oh, yeah, Emperor Reyes.

1:12:33Chad Johnson:Hey, hey.

1:12:34Shannon Sharpe:I'm putting out a mean demonstration on somebody.

1:12:36Chad Johnson:Hey, hey, I promise you, boy. Hey, hey. Ask Jordan. Hey, look, we get on that pool table, boy. Y 'all might want to hide the footage. You hear me? Hey. Yeah. Hey. Hey, because the demonstration I'm going to put on these boys, ooh, we chat. I promise you.

1:12:50Shannon Sharpe:Hey, Ocho, I told Joe, you know I sent you footage. I beat that dude. Effort Reyes, I beat him. Best in the house. I'm a combination of Effort Reyes, Earl Strickland, probably Willie Moscone I'm probably a combination of those three

1:13:09Chad Johnson:hey hey hey listen Georgia Slim listen I'm telling you Unk Ocho if I ain't never warned y 'all a day in y 'all's life I just need y 'all to hear me out Unk Unk hey I'm telling you man you don't want to play with me on that felt boy you don't want to play with me on that pool hey Unk How you want to do it? Hey, you see that right, Joe?

1:13:34Shannon Sharpe:You see that right? Ocho. Hey, can we add a ping pong table to that?

1:13:41Chad Johnson:That's what I'm finna just say, boy. Joe, you can't move like that. Who can't? You can't move like that. Who can't? I think you got it twisted. We just talking about playing basketball, running up and down, cutting this. That's hard for me to do. I can do it. I'm going to run your corner to corner. Oh, nah, nah. Y 'all game ain't even like that.

1:13:59Shannon Sharpe:Hey, serve and volley.

1:14:00Chad Johnson:Bam. Hey, Joe. Bam! Hey, you notice I'm not even entertaining y 'all when it comes to playing pool and playing ping pong? Because we know you can't play. Yeah, we already know that, Ocho. Joe, that's what I do. I only got one person I got to worry about, and he all right sometimes. You know what I mean? But, yeah. Yeah, we going to see.

1:14:24Yeah.

1:14:25Chad Johnson:I already know Ocho ain't got no touch when it comes to shooting pool. No, none, zero. He don't know how to control that little toy ball. I know you don't know how to do that. All right. Yeah, I know you don't know how to do that. We'll see. Yeah. Boy can't throw no darts, Hellie. Barely. Oh, I already know. I already know.

1:14:41Shannon Sharpe:You not been to beat me at no... Neither one of y 'all. I want y 'all... You do know, as a Cub Scout, we play darts, right? Man, you talking about something when you were eight, nine years old, Hellie. Hold on. You do know as... Hold on. Let me finish. You do know, as a Cub Scout, we did Axe Thorn, right? You do know that, right? Whatever. Okay. I'm cool either way. Hey, we could split logs. I don't care. We bust stumps. I don't care. Because I already know y 'all don't know how to work with no acts. I already know that.

1:15:13Chad Johnson:Man, hey, hey, hey, hey. Okay. Oh, my God. I don't mind. Listen, I don't mind adding you guys to the collection that I already got from y 'all. So just add. It's just going to tally up. Just keep adding to the collection. Yeah.

1:15:26Shannon Sharpe:First of all, I know neither one of y 'all ever bust a stump. Y 'all don't know nothing about that. Buster who?

1:15:30Chad Johnson:Who don't?

1:15:31Shannon Sharpe:Buster who?

1:15:32Chad Johnson:Come on, man. That's what I'm talking about.

1:15:34Shannon Sharpe:Nothing. Don't worry about it, old Joe. Joe, but I'm saying, Joe, you can't mess with that ass, though, Joe. Not with that ass, Joe. You can't mess with me.

1:15:41Chad Johnson:I'm telling you, I did this for bread and meat, man. If I ain't winning, I ain't eating, I'm telling you.

1:15:46Shannon Sharpe:And I know that sledgehammer, I already know you ain't nothing with that sledgehammer. You don't see me. That sledgehammer, that spiked nail. I already know that. That's your mans over there.

1:15:57Chad Johnson:That's his city boy self. He don't know nothing about none of that. Yeah, he don't know nothing. You! Man, I used to work on the docks, man. I didn't know how to work sledgehammer. Ain't no damn sledgehammer on no dock. Yeah, when I had the dock, man, I had to nail the nails in when the ship came to the dock. Hey, Ocho, so you used to be there when them bricks and keys come through there? How you think they get here in the States? Yeah, you go to the quarter of Miami? Yeah. Yeah? Yeah, Joe, that's where it comes. You know what? Let me be quiet. Yeah, yeah, okay, okay. My bad, my bad.

1:16:36Shannon Sharpe:I don't know about y 'all, but I grew up doing manual labor. Ocho, I know you ain't do nothing. I did grow up doing manual labor. I had chores from five years old. I ain't had no choice. Take the trash out and cut grass ain't no d***. I had to wash my clothes. Hey, man, they ain't talking about washing some damn clothes. Well, y 'all gonna win that. because I ain't washing no clothes. I'm dumping everything in the colors white together and putting the pot in. No, no, you got chill. No, no. Hey, my grandma say, if you walk around with your socks, you're not putting them in the washer. Go get that scrub board.

1:17:10You know the little scrub board? Yeah, I know the scrub board. Yeah, absolutely. Man, made me scrubbing white socks because she would say, don't walk outside in your white socks. And here I go.

1:17:21Shannon Sharpe:Outside in the white socks. We had the old washing machine that was on the back porch. Yeah. That was open. Yeah. You pull the clothes through the ring. That's what we had. Damn. Yeah. Oh, yeah. See what I'm talking about, Joe? That's why I know you ain't 50. No, Joe. You ain't. Joe, you not. Joe, you too young, man.

1:17:37Chad Johnson:Oh, oh, oh. Yeah. I'm telling you. Hey, Joe, you is too young, man. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, hey, you need to slow down, Turbo. You need to slow down. Hey, Joe, I'm 50, Joe. Man, listen. You got me bent, partner. That's all I'm trying to say. Yeah, yeah. Y 'all going to see. Y 'all going to see. Hey, I'm tired. If y 'all thought what I done in January was some champ, boy, I'm, hey, these boys ain't seen nothing yet. Hey, Joe, we in June. Hey, I ain't got nothing to do with that. Hey, last time we hung out was January. I can only go off that.

1:18:08Shannon Sharpe:Hey, we got to ask, I tell you what, we got to ask, we see who chopped down the tree the quickest. Oh, man. Hey, y 'all don't even got no technique for that. This, oh, my God. You ain't even got the technique for that. First of all, Ocho, you ain't never chopped, you ain't never got no wood. You don't know how to get kindling. You don't know how to chop no fire, no fireplace. You, Ocho, never use the fireplace. Time out. The hell y 'all talking about it? Let me tell you something. Hey, let me tell you something. When I was a Cub Scout in 1987, huh? Huh? We was at Yosemite Park. Huh? We camped out there.

1:18:42We had to chop down the trees, chop down the wood, make our own campfire. What are you talking about?

1:18:49Chad Johnson:That boy lying. No, I'm not. I'm telling you. I got the picture. Come on, man. How old y 'all doing when y 'all were doing this? This was in 87, Joe. 87, 88. 89. What line? What line? Hey, Scouts Honor, Joe. Scouts Honor. Okay. Yeah. Hey, Scouts Honor. Yeah. Yeah. I'm telling you. I already know. I've done it. I don't know how to chop down no trees. Man, I can work a tree like you can work a deer.

1:19:15Shannon Sharpe:And I know how to limb. You don't. See? you don't even know what I'm talking about that's what I'm talking about chat y 'all don't know what I'm talking about either so why y 'all talking about oh born to Great Depression I know what I'm talking about

1:19:28Chad Johnson:I know what I'm doing hey you gotta have some endurance to knock down a tree y 'all ain't got no endurance like that hey Joe it's all about technique I get it

1:19:38Shannon Sharpe:I'll beat I'll take it a same size tree I'll beat you and Ocho taking it down that's what I do know all that other stuff because first of all let's not let Ocho chop because he gonna chop down the tree and the tree fall on him So, no. He have no idea, no sense in the race. Hey, he be out there like the cartoon. Yeah. Paul Lord, he just hit him in the head, just bounce up and down it, and put him in the dirt. Yeah. No. Y 'all going to learn by playing with the greatest athlete of all time, man.

1:20:11Chad Johnson:It's just hard, bro.

1:20:12Shannon Sharpe:I might give y 'all a chance. Fishing, because Joe say he can fish. Ocho say he can fish. Ocho say he bored with fishing. So it'll just probably be me and you, Joe. Yeah, I get what I'm saying. And I'm going to skin you. You know what's funny? It's the fact that I don't fish and never have. That's probably why I'm going to win. You're not going to. That's why I'm probably going to win. Ocho, you don't even know how to cast a reel. You don't know how to spin it? Man, what's. He got both. What you talking about, man? What you mean? That's when you go deep. That's when you go deep sea fishing. It depends on what we fishing for.

1:20:51If I got a look for -

1:20:52Shannon Sharpe:You're not going to be all up in the trees, Joe. You said I'm going to ride. All he's going to do is be breaking line. Give him another rod.

1:21:04Shannon Sharpe:I'm ready, though. You can't fish. You need to stay on the shore, too. Because first of all, you don't know how to stand in a boat. You don't know how to fish from a boat. What you mean I don't know how to stand in a boat, huh? Joe, this man gonna be like he on the land. He gonna fall dead in the ocean. Or tilt the boat over. Let me tell you something. In Cincinnati, right? Yeah. Me and Carson Palmer and TJ, who's Mazzotta. Yeah. We used to go shore fishing for catfish. Go what? Shore fishing? Yeah, for catfish in Cincinnati. What you use for bait? Huh? What you use for bait? Earthworms.

1:21:45yeah I use earthworm I tell you no lie hey listen if I'm lying I'm flying and you know me I lie for you before I lie to you

1:21:54Shannon Sharpe:yeah you don't know how to fish for no bait you don't know how to fish for no what you call them cause for me I'm gonna fish for catfish cause they're bottom feeders so you need to fish on the bottom so you need to get something that's gonna drop the line to the bottom yeah which you don't know I rolled my line all the way out there I had a cane pole too. That's how good I am. You trying to catch channel cat? Speckle? Flathead? What kind of catfish are you trying to catch? Shoot, the big ones? Hey, hey, hey. I don't know their names. You trying to catch a flathead? Yeah, they were big, boy. But you got flathead.

1:22:32Shannon Sharpe:You got, look, the channel, like black cats lay like this long. You don't want something that big because they rank. You want something tender like what they filet what you fried is like, okay, give me that fried catfish. Yeah, boy. That's what you want. I don't really

1:22:47Chad Johnson:see.

1:22:48Shannon Sharpe:Hey, we can do it however you want to fish. Hey, we can do a trout line. We can do deadline. Hey, we can set it. Whatever you want to do, Joe, however you want to fish. Hey, trout line, deadline, second line. I'm finna win.

1:22:59Chad Johnson:Hey, I don't really see no, I don't really sense no real threat. Just keep it real out of y 'all. I mean, it'll be, you know, it'll be good content, you know, but for the most part, I think, you know,

1:23:11Shannon Sharpe:Hold on, you don't see no competition with what, fishing?

1:23:14Chad Johnson:Yeah, between Yeah, I don't know Hey Joe, as a matter of fact

1:23:19Shannon Sharpe:Hey Joe, we gonna put like two grand up on it right now We catch the most fish or the biggest fish Me and you, just me and you Joe

1:23:25Chad Johnson:And who catch the first fish Whatever Joe Yeah Hey whoever get their line in the water first Gonna catch the first fish No, not necessarily

1:23:35Shannon Sharpe:There you go I already know, I already know Neither one of you can fish Joe, I ain't gonna tell you no lie Joe, I caught a fish so big the pitcher weighs 6 pounds I ain't lying to you Got it right now Hey, you know what I'm gonna make it Hold on, I'm gonna let y 'all fish in the boat You ain't got no patience I'm gonna let you fish in the boat I'm gonna get in the water and catch my fish I'm definitely not gonna be in the boat Joe, you see how he throw it All he's gonna do is tip that whole boat over He don't know how to fish from a boat But Dan what kind of boat we in Bro your boat is on water You can't just be fishing like you shore fishing What the hell We need a bigger boat Bro you on a bass boat Have you seen people fish from a bass boat Oh yeah yeah yeah Yeah you can't be doing all that what you doing Rocking the boat I ain't gonna rock it Yeah You get your own

1:24:35Chad Johnson:Yeah, Ocho ain't no threat. Ocho ain't no threat. He just coming for the shits and giggles.

1:24:40Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, okay. He just want to have fun, something to talk about.

1:24:43Chad Johnson:Okay. Yeah, that's it. That's it. It's okay, Ocho. Good dude, though. Hey, I'm coming to dominate, baby. Dominate what? Hey, y 'all, like it's Sunday at 1 o 'clock.

1:24:55Shannon Sharpe:That's what I'm coming to do. Man, ain't nobody fooling with you, Ocho. You know damn well you don't know how to fish. Yeah, okay.

1:25:03Chad Johnson:Man, grew up in Florida. I grew up in Miami.

1:25:05Shannon Sharpe:He don't like the deep sea fish. He don't like the deep sea fish. I get sick on that boat, man. All that rocking back and forth. I get nauseous, man. That drumming mean don't help me, man. It don't help, man. Well, let me see. How soon are you eating? You got to let that thing get all the way down because if you don't.

1:25:24Chad Johnson:Ooh, we.

1:25:26Shannon Sharpe:You're going to be chumming it up. They're going to be fishing swimming inside the boat because you done chummed it up.

1:25:30Chad Johnson:You done called Earl.

1:25:32Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. yeah I haven't seen it at all though Joe yeah we fish for whatever we catch drum we can catch a snapper we can catch whatever you want to flounder and whatever you want to go to catch bass we catch pike we can catch crappy we catch red red red bluegill whatever hey them two little man hey let's go let's go let's go oh you just want to catch trophy fish or you want to catch fish that you can eat. I just want to catch Goliath Grouper and throw him back. And you got to throw him back or they'll throw your ass in jail. You got to throw him. You ain't got no choice. Hey, I want to catch Goliath Grouper, you know, maybe a swordfish, sailfish.

1:26:11Chad Johnson:Man, you ain't catching no Goliath Grouper with no regular riding rib, boy. You going to have to... Hey, I know where to go. I got a deep sea fishing boat. Oh, man. Come on. Yeah.

1:26:23Shannon Sharpe:What if we catch some tuna? Who? Tuna. what we gonna do with it I mean I don't eat it you can throw it back we gonna catch Branzino matter of fact we should make it sweet you don't eat you can only eat what you catch and if you don't catch then you don't eat it for the day I bet I'm cool with that yeah how about that well look my thing is if I got to clean it it's going back in the water cause I ain't cleaning it hey me and my brother got in trouble. Me and my brother got in trouble with that. Man, we throwing them fish back. My grandma said, boy, I see y 'all throwing them fish back. I'm going to cut y 'all ass.

1:27:04Chad Johnson:Yeah, I ain't want to have to clean all them fish.

1:27:06Shannon Sharpe:Hell no. Man, all them scams.

1:27:12Shannon Sharpe:Cut the head out. Cut. You ain't no real fisherman. Into the water. I'm a real fisherman. That's why I catch a release. You don't even want to gut the fish. No, Ocho. Man, look here, man. I just wanted to eat the fish, okay? Right. And then I got a bone caught in my throat, and I stopped eating fish that wasn't filleted for about 30 years.

1:27:34Chad Johnson:Yeah. What?

1:27:36Shannon Sharpe:Because, man, I ain't damn near a whole loaf of bread. You know you get a bone in your throat, what do they give you? They give you that bread. They pass that bread. They say, swallow this bread. Man. Did it go down? Yeah. After I met, I was crying. I was panicking. My granddad, boy, stop all that crying. Ain't nothing wrong with you. What you mean? Ain't nothing wrong with me. I had this big ass fish Boat in my throat There'll be a whole loaf of bread Try to get that damn boat down

1:28:04Shannon Sharpe:But we gonna find out We gonna find out who can really fish And guess what And when we go to these state fairs And they got all this cuisine They got these Rocky Mountain oysters And they got these pig ears to eat Joe I already know your stomach weak Joe I already know your stomach weak His stomach weak and his leg

1:28:21Chad Johnson:Look Look, both of y 'all talking a good game, but y 'all stomach weak too here. Oh, Joe. Mine? Yeah. Ain't nothing wrong with my stomach, Joe. You think because you eat a lot of booty that your enzymes are your stomach. That's what you think. But that ain't how it works. That ain't how it works. Joe, what is there that we're going to eat that I haven't eaten before? Think about it. There's nothing. There's no place we're going to go whether there's any delicacy that I haven't tried or tasted before. You ain't had no Rocky Mountain oysters. You hadn't had none of that.

1:28:58Shannon Sharpe:I done had oysters right here, prime 112, unk. No, those are oysters that come out of the shell. These are cow and hog testicles. Hey, man, unk, I'm going to swallow it. What you talking about, man? I'm going to get up by now.

1:29:12Chad Johnson:Oh, wow. We going to be out. Hey, Joe, you got to hold it up, man. Just drop it in your mouth.

1:29:17Shannon Sharpe:No, no, no. Come on, Joe. These are fried, Ocho. You got to chew these. These are fried. Oh, yeah, I like that. As long as you got a little seasoning on there, I'm good. They're deep fried. Yeah, I'm good. Just as long as they got a little seasoning. Oh, they got seasoning. Hey, we going to see. They got turkey, too. We going to see. Oh, they got some stuff on them eyeballs, Ocho. With no Joe biting to the eyeball, Ocho. And all that goo. Nah, nah. Come on. I like that.

1:29:46Chad Johnson:I like that. Well, y 'all ain't doing that. I like that. I like that joke. Huh?

1:29:54Shannon Sharpe:Nah. You know, my sister cook a mean raccoon with them bell peppers and celery and onions. Put that thing in the old, put that aluminum foil in that pan. Ah, yeah, Joe. Hey, watch it. You pick it up and fall off the bone.

1:30:09Chad Johnson:Nah. Come on, man.

1:30:12Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, we gonna eat that possum, too. The prettiest white meat you ever see. Ah, come on. Damn. Oh, yeah. I like that. I like that. Give me a little hot sauce with that thing. Last man I know, he passed away many years ago, but he used to make a mean, he do armadillo. Man, he bust that shell. Yeah. No, bro. But I don't know anybody in Glendale to do it. But I know they're still dressed down a raccoon or a possum. I don't know if anybody do armadillo like that anymore. But that's okay, Joe. We're going to find out.

1:30:43Chad Johnson:Mm-mm-mm. Mm-mm-mm. You and Ocho talk a good game, but, boy, I love it.

1:30:50Shannon Sharpe:Joe, I done ate it. You don't had no squirrel, Joe? I can tell you ain't never had no squirrel.

1:30:55Chad Johnson:I done had squirrel, frog legs. I done had all that. I done had a little crow leg. Don't do nothing. But no possum, I ain't eating no possum on.

1:31:04Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, you ain't eating. It's okay. You going to have to eat some. Yeah. Joe, you ain't eating. Because Ash done found a lady in South Carolina, Arkansas, that make a mean one. A mean? Come to your neck of the woods, Joe. A mean possum?

1:31:17Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready. Joe, you ain't no eater, Joe. You ain't no eater. Yeah, yeah, I ain't no eater. I know you an eater. I know you get down. See y 'all go too far. See y 'all go too far. Uncle eater too here. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

1:31:36Shannon Sharpe:Food. What I'm eating, don't get up and walk away. That's all I'm saying. What you and Ocho talking about? Count me out. Hey, I'm like a new addition. You got to count me out. I'm ready. I'm going to let you know what you're out of. But that's all right. Ash already done found a lady, found a person that'll cook a lot of stuff.

1:32:02Chad Johnson:Okay. All right. I sure can't wait to see this. I'm ready. Well, everything finna get swallowed, bro. Yeah. Hey, you got to chill. You got to chill, Ocho. I'm just saying. You got to chill. What happened, Joe? He talking about everything finna get swallowed. You got to chill.

1:32:22Shannon Sharpe:Yes, sir. Hey, Ocho. My bad. Damn. Ocho, you giving us a, man, you giving us a, oh. Oh, yeah, Joe. I already know. Ocho, you know the first thing we eating. What? Big old pot of that boo, dick, and onion. Big old pot of that boo, dick, and onion. Come on. Come on. Yeah, Joe. Come on. Hey, that's out the box. Huh? That's out the box. Hey, see that thing whirled up on Joe's plate. What? That thing, steam coming up off it. Aw, man, y 'all got the chill.

1:32:52Chad Johnson:Y 'all got the chill. For real. We going too damn far now. Nah, Joe. Joe! I've never seen that on a plate. Okay, old Joe. Hey, Google it. Google it right now. Hey, Joe. Google it right now, Joe. I'm going to show you how to eat it, Joe.

1:33:09Shannon Sharpe:What? You do it and eat it just like a... There you go. Hey, Ocho, hey, we're going to cut the camera. If you pick it up and eat it, we're going to cut the camera. You better take a fork and a knife and cut it like you would a regular sausage. Nah, nah. I'm eating that thing whole. Hell nah.

1:33:26Chad Johnson:Man, this guy, hey, hey, you and Ocho like the first people on here. Y 'all think I'm lying. You and Ocho pop up here.

1:33:38Chad Johnson:I can't make this up. I can't make it up. Y 'all the first people, y 'all the first nightcap. Boy, when I type in Bull, Digg, and Onion, boy, y 'all the first people to pop up. Hey, it is, Joe. Look, on Google, look. You lying, Joe. Yeah, it is. Man, I ain't lying, bro. I don't know if y 'all can see. I don't know if y 'all can see, but when I typed it in, you boys come straight up. Oh, you popped up with some dude with your LaPortier. Damn. Hey, that is - That man, hey. Come on, man. How they put that? Come on, man. Yeah, hey, that's the first thing that pops up, too.

1:34:17Shannon Sharpe:Hey, they got Ocho. They got me and Ocho. They got us with beers.

1:34:27Chad Johnson:Hey, boy. Hey. Man, who did that? Boy, you... Hey, y 'all really done made it, boy. Hey, I'm telling you, Joe. We're going to be famous now. I'm telling you. Hey, we're going to be famous. I'm telling you. Hold on. All the things up there, me and Ocho.

1:34:44Shannon Sharpe:That's attached to y 'all's name now. Damn. Come on. Hey, Chad, who did that?

1:34:53Shannon Sharpe:Hey, Joe, now you in there. Now, Joe. I'm in there. When your lady type in that, they're going to have all three of them. Yeah. So when you go back home, they're going to be.

1:35:07Chad Johnson:Bro. Man, come on, baby. That is wild. Damn. Now, this out of control.

1:35:16Shannon Sharpe:They got the videos and everything.

1:35:18Chad Johnson:This out of control, fellas.

1:35:19Shannon Sharpe:That's crazy. Man, they got a TikTok. They got hashtag Shannon Sharp. Yeah, I told you. But see. Hey, but they got Gordon Ramsay. Gordon Ramsay in here. And he got 2.9 million views seven years ago. So don't tell. He was eating it? Yeah.

1:35:38Chad Johnson:Oh, man. Come on, fellas.

1:35:44Shannon Sharpe:But I don't know. I don't know what they, I don't know. Look, Chad, I know. I don't know how many people my age are from the South. I don't know what y 'all thought we was eating. What y 'all thought we was eating?

1:35:57Shannon Sharpe:I mean, because for the longest time, we're the only ones eating Noctail. Go to a soul food restaurant. You can't get in a white people out the line. Eat Noctail. You hear me?

1:36:06Chad Johnson:You hear me? You hear me?

1:36:09Shannon Sharpe:Stew chicken, smothered pork chop.

1:36:12Chad Johnson:Pig feet.

1:36:13Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. You got the worst cuts. They kept the best cuts. You got the worst cuts. But you know how we going to make a meal, Joe. We going to make something out of nothing.

1:36:22Chad Johnson:I can't believe my grandma had me eating that stuff, bro. I'm talking about big jaws of pig feet, huh? I'm talking about the way you just reach in there and pull that thing out. I'm talking about that type.

1:36:34Shannon Sharpe:man that vinegar though man they so I mean your mouth be your mouth be just like on fire the corner of your mouth and your lips

1:36:41Chad Johnson:yeah I'm telling you bro all that vinegar that's how it used to be but there was a place

1:36:49Shannon Sharpe:in uh I'm trying to think it was like Greeley called Bruce's and that's what it was famous for it was famous for cow testicles they had turkey testicles that's what they was known for I had a postcard. I'm going to get the postcard.

1:37:04Chad Johnson:Wow.

1:37:05Shannon Sharpe:I think it's closed down. It might have closed down. Anybody from Colorado ever heard of Bruce's? But that's what they was known for. And we would go early in my career when we go to training camp at Greeley. About seven or eight of us would go and we'd go to Greeley's and get it. Wow. So I already know, Joe, you ain't about that life, Joe. Your stomach weak, I can tell.

1:37:26Chad Johnson:Yeah. Hey, look. You talking a good game. I know yours weak too. Nah, it Now, liver, you on your own on livers.

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