Best of NFL Championship Sunday Part 1: Jarrett Stidham, Broncos los AFC title to Patriots, SLEPT on Sam Darnold as Seahawks go to the Super Bowl

25:11I might consider it, but it's not even the top of my... When DeMarcus Lawrence joined the Seattle Seahawks after leaving the Cowboys, he said Dallas would always be his home, but he knew he would never win a Super Bowl there. He's headed to the Super Bowl for the first time in his career with the Seattle Seahawks. Damn. Hey, I know we're not on top of the Cowboys. They're not in the playoffs. But, well, we got some hell of a pushback on our comments and conversations about the defensive coordinator coming in for the Cowboys. And then people, they jump down my throat talking about, oh, don't you think things are going to change?

25:51I'm confused. After 30-plus years of the same thing and thinking just because you bring someone in new that something's going to change differently, I'm confused. How about this? How do you want to like this at Ocho? The New England Patriots have been to 11 Super Bowls since the Cowboys been to their last one. Could I interest you in that? Okay. That's enough. Needless to say. I wanted to fire back and engage in the conversation, but I'm not a hater of the Cowboys. I was just stating facts based on what I've seen over the years. since I was playing and since I've been going from the game, and I'm not sure where the confusion lies or the delusional of those that really don't understand the makeup of how it's going thus far.

26:39But anyway, that's enough of that. And the thing is that up until the last game of the season, Matt Stafford has done a great job. He had never lost until that one game that he lost to the Seahawks, and now this is back-to-back games in which he's lost to the Seahawks. But he can't – I mean, you can't play – 22-35, 374, three touchdowns. I don't know what – I mean, what else you want him to do? No, you can't. And, you know, if they don't muff that fumble, you know, on that one. He's 51-8 in two games – in the last two games against the Seahawks. He's 51-84, 8-31, six TDs, but he's lost both games.

27:20Jesus Christ. So I don't know what else he can do. I mean, there's nothing else you can do because you're playing against another great offense on the other side of you as well. A quarterback that is also dealing at the efficiency that you are as well. Another team that had JSN that has receivers that match up just as well as yours. I mean, as well. So sometimes to come to a mistake here, a mistake there, a defense to stop here, a defense to stop there. And you say it all the time. And those that are you in the chat that are watching the game is you watch a game for three hours, right? You know, you enjoy it.

27:53And your team runs maybe 60, 65, maybe 70 plays. Out of all those plays that each team runs, it's about three plays. Three or five plays. Three or five plays that change the trajectory of a game. And that's what wins it for you. Three or five, that's it. Out of watching the game for three hours. Out of 100 and between the two teams, let's just say, they have 120 plays. it's probably five plays five to seven plays between the two teams that you can go back and change everything this is where we wanted or we lost this is why we won yeah but congratulations goes out to the seattle seahawks they are the representative from the nfc they're headed to superbowl 60 and a rematch of superbowl 49 with the spanks to a score of 31 to 27 over the rams a division rival sam donald again was 25 of 36 346 three touchdowns he no interceptions they They ran the ball 26 times for 76 yards, one touchdown.

28:51JSN was sensational as he's been all year. Ten catches, a buck 53, one touchdown on 12 targets. So the Seattle Seahawks, your Seattle Seahawks, and the 12th man are going to San Francisco for a chance to win their second Super Bowl.

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31:52I know who not going this year. We don't care who went to what. I know who not. Matter of fact, hold on before we finish. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

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32:30man what is this man doing the Patriots beat the Broncos by the score of 10 to 7 and Drake made 10 of 21.

32:41I thought you had that jersey. I thought you had that jersey. I'm lying. Hey, don't you say foot or ball tonight. I don't want you to say playoff. I don't want you to say super or ball. Hey, Chad, y 'all hear that? Y 'all hear? Man, I ain't got that jersey. That jersey don't mean nothing to me. Do me a favor. Hey, hey, hey. Say Cancun on three. Cancun on three. Man, I'm hurting that Ocho. Don't do that. Don't do that, Ocho. Hey, nah, listen. Hey, they going to the Super Bowl. I just happened to have a jersey from when I played there. I ain't really do much there, which is why I don't really claim.

33:20You got it framed. So clearly it means something. Huh? Oh, no, it means something because, no, I ain't framed this. Somebody took it and framed it. They gave it to me as a gift. So I kept it. I was like, well, what you sent me that for? I ain't do nothing while I was there. I said, well, you was a part of the jersey. you won the Super Bowl, I bet you. Exactly, because you got it framed. Hey, hey, hey. Yeah, but that's me, though. That's me right there. The New England Patriots win by the score of 10 to 7. Drake May was 10 to 21, 86 yards. They ran the ball 25, 38 times for a buck 41. They had less than 200 yards of offense.

33:59It was a – look, both teams had to play in that weather. I'm not going to blame it on the elements because it wasn't like the Patriots were playing in a dome and the Broncos were playing outside. But I will say this. I think Sean Payton started to believe his own supply that Jared Stidham could win him the game because if Sean Payton is as smart as I think he is, he looks at that weather forecast and says there's going to be a storm moving in the second half. points are going to be at a premium. Now, we talk about this all the time, Ocho. We say when you have the momentum, how much separation can you put between you and the team that you have the momentum of?

34:47They had all the momentum, and all they had was a seven-point lead. One mistake by Stidham, and now all of a sudden it's a 7-7 ballgame. Now you've got to fight. Okay, they get a field goal. It's 10-7, and the Broncos get the ball. I said, and I tweeted, I said, this is the Broncos' best chance. They had them backed up. The guy shanked the ball. They get the ball at the 35-yard line, and they can come away with nothing. Now, it's being reported now that Lutz, Will Lutz, said that he might have been too close because they couldn't tell the distance between where the yard line was because you're supposed to be like seven yards back, and it was shorter, and the guy got a tip, got a tip, and he got blocked.

35:29But I don't know why everybody was so confident in Stidham. he was in New England. He was supposed to be Tom Brady's backup. I mean, Eric Pair. That didn't happen. He goes to the Raiders. That's a prime opportunity. As a matter of fact, wasn't he there with Josh McDaniel? So the guy that drafted him, Josh McDaniel, when he had him in New England, he had him in the Raiders, couldn't get nothing out of him. And I think Sean Payton started to believe that. He started to convince himself because remember, Ocho, I told you my coach used to tell us all the time, Sometimes you got to lie to him, son.

36:04He lied. Not only did he lie to them, but he lied to himself. Because that's the only way I can explain him not taking the three points and making it 10-0. Go ahead, Ocho. I mean, he had no choice but to lie to himself. He had to lie to the media during the week. He had to lie to himself and lie to his actual player to give him the confidence that you can do this. Obviously, they didn't get blown out. They didn't get blown out. We needed you just to do just. Well, you took the words right out of my mouth. You took the words right out of my mouth. And what they needed to do is before that storm came in, we need to get as many points as possible, whether it's six, whether it's seven, whether it's three, and extend the lead as much as possible before the storm comes in.

36:49Because if you look at the day Drake may have had today, because of the conditions, because of the elements, even though as a player you have to adapt to whatever comes your way, it was not in the favor of the Patriots at all. Stidham had, what, did he even have over 100 yards? Stidham had, he was 17-31 for 133. Remember, he had that 52-yard, like, the second player of the game, the third player of the game to Marvin Mims. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, Drake made it. He was 10-21 for 86 yards. 86. And he had a long of 31. Yeah, he hasn't had a stat line like that. That's the stat line for an offensive series for Stidham.

37:27I mean, for Drake May, the way they played offensively this season. And another thing that we need to talk about, I know we had conversations throughout the season. For those in the chat, some of you, we talked about the MVP for the NFL this year. Many people said Matt Stafford. Obviously, Patriots fans are those who have watched the second-year player in Drake May. Some said Drake May deserves it. And after what he's done in completing this season and getting the Patriots to a Super Bowl and only a second year with Mike Grable's first year, Now think about some of the teams that Drake May had to beat to even get to the Super Bowl, to even be at this point.

38:01Three of the top defenses in the NFL, huh? Drake May, he had to beat the Chargers defense, huh? He had to beat the Chargers defense. Hell, he had to deal with goddamn DeNeal Huller and Will Anderson and that goddamn Houston defense, which is phenomenal. And then obviously today, tonight, or earlier today, the Broncos, who are the number two defense in the NFL statistically, and being able to beat those teams back-to-back-to-back, obviously, man, is a tremendous feat in a sense for a quarterback that's in his second year alone. Sometimes you have veteran quarterbacks that stumble when it comes to playing top defenses like he did three weeks in a row.

38:39Yeah, I just think the thing is, Ochoa, is that a game like this here, Sean has to know. Sean knows, okay, you can lie to them, but you can't lie to yourself. And he lied to himself. He convinced himself that, you know, we got the momentum. Let's go for it. But look, even if you go for it, I don't necessarily have a problem that going for it on fourth time. I got a problem with the play selection. Because you just scored on that. You scored on that play where you half rolled it and you hit Gordon Sutton in the back of the end zone. So the one thing you know about the Patriots, especially when they got a very good coach, you're not going to beat them on the same play twice.

39:15Yeah, no. And you're rolling it to the short side of the field. And you're rolling with a guy that ain't got no wheels. He can't run. But, Unc, you got to understand, what do you want Sean Payton to do? You understand the limitations that your quarterback has. You understand that the playbook, as if you had Bo Nix, the playbook changes completely. The offensive play calling changes completely. The thing that you can't do with Stidham, you can't do with Bo Nix. You've only had a week. Ocho, I ain't got no noodles. So guess what? I can't make you pasta. so you ain't got Bo Nix so you gotta take that into consideration how you call plays that's why he called the safest plays he could for the quarterback he had at his disposal that is Jared Stidham he's a guy he's just a guy there's nothing special he has an average arm he has no speed he doesn't do anything that you says you know what he's a long-term solution.

40:17He's not, he does not do anything really well. So, I mean, he get in trouble, what does he do? He retreats. Bro, and then I don't know where he got this shoveling, I mean, how many times did we see, and it cost him. We see him try to shovel the ball to Harvey. We see him try to shovel the ball to the running back. Bro, throw the ball out of bounds. You should not even have been in that situation. But Sean Payton has to know. Jared Stidham is my quarterback. I'm in the AFC Championship game. I'm taking as many points as I can get. I'm not taking any points off the board, Ocho. I'm not. And he's supposed to know.

40:58He's supposed to study the weather forecast. I guarantee you if Rabel knew it, I guarantee you Belichick would have known it. Mike Shanahan damn sure would have known it. So if you know that weather is coming in, you take the points. You got to. You got to. You got to. And listen, not only take the points, if you got a defense like you have, if you have a defense like you have, you know the weather's coming in there, most of the time, offensive, you're not going to be able to do much through the goddamn air. And they damn sure not finna run the ball on you. Well, first of all, the Broncos hadn't been able to run the ball all year.

41:30So what makes you think you're going to be able to run it in those conditions? I want you to do guys wear seven studs anymore? Guys don't wear seven studs anymore, do they? No, not really. I don't even know if they have seven studs in the equipment room anymore because everyone's field, most of the fields are Bermuda grass, and if you don't have Bermuda grass, you have that turf. And no matter what the conditions are, no matter what the conditions are, the studs that they use now, you're not going to slip and fall. Did you not see everybody slipping and falling? Oh, yeah. I saw them today. I saw them today.

42:01I think that was grass. Yeah, we got rid of that. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it's some field turf, but they have real grass with some synthetic sewn in. Okay, okay, okay, yeah. And Mims, in conditions like that, the goal ball is not going to be where it normally is. I'm surprised that, Ocho, after like 15 yards, you got to look. The ball is not going to travel like it would. It's not going to be 42 and 4. Yeah, it's heavy. It's heavy, Ong. It's heavy. It's stuff like that, Ocho, that just like, bro. But this was Oshon. Hey, Ong, can I ask you something? You mad? No, not really.

42:42You're not hurt? Because I knew this was going to be the outcome. I tried to tell you, you got to have faith. No, I don't got no faith in Jared Stidham. I mean, I would give you false hope. I knew y 'all weren't going to win. I could have told you that. You can't give me false hope. I mean, hey, listen, the fact that you even talking football, let alone you shouldn't be able to say football. You shouldn't be happy. The fact that you even, we engaged in this conversation and y 'all lost tonight, I'm not even sure. Matter of fact, you know what? don't say play or off. Where are your Broncos helmet tonight?

43:14What happened to your Bronco robe? You were so happy. You were so excited when y 'all won last week. I don't want to. What happened? Where's the energy you had? Ojo, come on, man. Ojo. Boy, I'm just saying, boy, the Patriots put belt in the ass. Oh, really? 10 to 7 is belt in the ass? 10 to 7. Yeah. Hey, they gave you that Michael Irvin. They gave you that Michael Irvin.

43:34Huh? What we talking about? But it's okay. It's okay because y 'all still got next year. Bo Nix will be back. Most of the players on that defense will be back. Y 'all will be all right. But it's going to be a long time before that. You never know. You never know. I was fortunate that we lost a heartbreaking game in 96 and then went back to back. But, Ocho, you don't know. I mean, think about it. Dan Marino went to that Super Bowl in his second year and never went back again. Nah, it's hard. Never went back. You get guys like Joe Montana go to four and win. You get Brady that goes. You got Elway that went to five.

44:11You get Jim Kelly went to four straight. You get guys like Mahomes. But Aaron Rodgers went to one and never went back. Yeah. So it ain't no guarantee. Oh, you were so close. I mean, sometimes things just line up in your favor, and you need to take advantage of it. Man, look here. They better be glad. Can you imagine? Patrick Mahomes was in this thing again?

44:42Everything that lined up, I mean, all the heavy hitters are gone. We're gone. Yeah, and you know what? The heavy hitters are gone. Most of them are gone because they didn't play well in the season due to injury. Obviously, we saw what happened. Lamar turned on this. Well, look, Lamar doesn't play well in the postseason, so we can't look at him as being an impediment to somebody. They got the big guy in the way. That guy in Kansas City, they didn't play well all year long. That is the hurdle that everybody in the AFC was having to get over. Not Lamar. And this is not a knock on Lamar. Lamar has been great in the regular season.

45:19He's a two-time league MVP. But Lamar Jackson has not looked like Lamar come postseason. So he's really never been an impediment. He hadn't really stopped Joe Burrow or Mahomes or Josh Allen from getting to where they need to be. With that being said, with Mahomes out, Josh Allen got put out by the Broncos last week, and Joe Burrow and them didn't really have a chance because he got nicked early on. Right. So when things, when the road open up, you got to travel on it. You got to. You got to take advantage of it. Obviously, Buffalo wasn't able to do that. But the thing is, with all these quarterbacks that we are talking about, and you talk about the Joe Marino, I mean, Joe Marino, You talk about Dan Marino getting there one time.

46:05The difference, I think, about today's game with all these teams that have those elite quarterbacks, I think those teams will always be in contention every year. Those teams will always have a chance to go no matter what, even though they fell short this year. Lamar fell short this year. They're going to be in contention next year. Was Green Bay not in contention every year? How many times did Aaron Rodgers lose? He lost to the NFC Championship game to Seattle. He lost to the 49ers twice. He lost to Tampa. So he was in contention. Did he get back? No, I know, but I'm just the possibility. You know, the sense of if you're a fan of those specific teams, you just know at least we have a chance.

46:42There are some teams, Unk, there are some fans, no matter what, going into a new season, you know damn well you don't even have a chance. I think it hurts more the closer you get, Ocho. But listen, I think it's even worse knowing going into the season you don't have a chance. If you're a Cardinals fan, well, hell, you know when you're going to see the postseason, You might well book your goddamn ticket in January to go back home. If you're a Raiders fan, I mean, what the hell? What you expect? If you're a Vikings fan, hell, you don't have a goddamn quarterback right now. What you going to do? I mean, there are a few other teams as well.

47:17I think the Bills, the Seahawks, the Rams, the Ravens, obviously the Bengals, if we can keep Joe Burrow upright. Some of the teams with the better quarterback play, the Texans because of their defense I'm probably leaving some teams off all these teams will continuously always be in contention whether they win and lose in the postseason or whether they make it to the Super Bowl they will have a chance to make it to the playoffs and contend some teams can't even be afforded that opportunity yeah I think the thing is I think what has the Bronco fans so upset is that Sean Payton knew this quarterback was limited and he had an opportunity to take a chip shot field goal, 10-0.

48:0110-0 gives you momentum. You make it seem like if you got that first down, it's not like if you got the first, it was a touchdown. I can see if you went forward and they stopped you. You still had to get more plays. So 10-0, the way you had been dominating, I think they had one first down, maybe ran like seven plays up until that.0 joke. So 10 points might have felt like 14, based on how you had dominated them defensively. But the one thing, all that being said, the one thing that he couldn't do is what he did, is turn the ball over in negative territory. The ball over. And that's... Changed the game right there, Ong.

48:39You know that, Ong, that's what lost the game. You know that, huh? You know, of all the plays they ran, nothing else mattered except that goddamn turnover. That's all it came down to. You know, so, I mean, it's unfortunate. I know you feel bad. I don't mean to pile on you like this. No, it's okay. I'm a realist. See, the thing is, if I'd have had Bo Nixon out of loss, I might have been tearing some stuff down. I ain't going to lie to you, Ocho. If we'd have had Bo in loss, yeah, I'd have been upset. But having Jared Skinham, because I didn't expect to win. Right. Yeah, I mean, yeah, man, it sucks.

49:22You think the boys got his flight for Cancun? already? Nah, because I think Sean had lied to them so well. They had convinced themselves because I heard the defense, oh, we can win with Skiddy. We can win the Super Bowl with Skiddy. If the other team don't show up, y 'all can win. But if they show up, y 'all not winning with Skiddy. Let's be real. I'm a realist. And everybody knows I'm Bronco Country through and through. But I'm a realist also. Jared Skiddy ain't winning you no big game. But hold on. Now, you know you can rely on your defense and steal what it is. Yeah, if you get a scoop and score, if you get a pick six or you create something like that, or you strip sack and you give them a short field.

50:08All they got to do, you know your chances of winning the Super Bowl, even with him, we're still great. No, they weren't, Ocho. Don't turn the ball over. Because all you're going to do. Let's say you take the elements from the day out of it. It's an even game, Ong. You take the elements out of it today. Again, Ocho, because Drake May played in that. It wasn't like Drake May was in a phone booth or in a dome. He played in the same condition that Jarrett Stidham. The only difference is Drake May took better care of the football. And the one thing that the Broncos couldn't do based on that was turn the football over, especially in negative territory.

50:42You basically gifted him seven points. And like I said, Sean has to know who his quarterback is. He has to know the weather conditions are going to change. He had to have known that. So why do you have all these analytic people? You have that on your staff. And so for Sean to forego those three points, like I said, I'd have called timeout to really assess what do I really do. I mean, damn, I don't have both. Points are at a premium here. 10 points is going to seem like a lot. And as long as we don't turn it over, because if we turn it over, Ocho, it's a tie ball game. Yeah. It's not like a situation where we turn it over, we still got the lead.

51:36You turn it over, it's a tie ball game. You got a 7-0 lead with a chance to go up 10-0 with a backup quarterback in your building, and the weather is going to get progressively worse. Yeah. What made it worse, Ocho, it was – yes, everybody's going to look and say, Sean Payton got to know better than to forego three, but his quarterback didn't help him by turning it over. Right. If you forego the three and he doesn't turn it over, you say, hey, if they drive the length of the field against this defense, Ocho, I mean, I don't know what you want me to do, Ocho. I really don't because we got one of the two or three best defenses in all football.

52:19We can pressure the quarterback. But I thought Drake may use his legs a lot because he was jumping out the window a lot and scrambling for first down. And on the last play, again, see, he won't do his responsibilities. 52 got contained. Damn, man, where are you? Must be done gone now. Ocho, you got contained. Why are you trying to get inside? That's not your play to make. Trying to make a play. No, we don't need to. See? you see if I get beat doing my job I got beat doing my job I can't get beat trying to do somebody else's job that's the job yeah I call it playing hero ball playing hero ball trying to do two things at once

53:12oh man I know Broncos fans I'm sorry man I love y 'all I've been very supportive of y 'all all season long I thought I was going to be able to put my sharp jersey on. He had a little jersey? He got a little jersey? He got a sharp jersey. Got 84, got real stitches, just like the official jerseys. Yeah. Well, he's going to have to hold off to next year then. Nah, I ain't putting it on now. You're going to have to hold off to next year, little buddy. Ah, man. Don't worry about it. They beat the number one, the number two, and the number five defense. if they win I think Seattle has the number three defense so that would be a hell of a road the fewest points scored in wild card division and conference championship game en route to a Super Bowl y 'all talk about the 2000 Ravens but we scored more points than the 25 Patriots even if it's only seven but look Mike Brable this is why you make the move.

54:15People are like, oh, man, Jerry Mel, they don't give the bro. This is why you make this move. But the difference is it's Josh McDaniels. I don't know why Josh McDaniels can't be a great head coach. I don't know why he can't be a good head coach. But he's a great offensive play caller. That's his calling. It's dialing up offense. That's his calling, Ocho. He's never going to be a good head coach. But as an offensive coordinator, Yeah, he's beautiful. He's beautiful. I'm trying to understand. Last year, I mean, what's the linebacker, man? What's the linebacker from last year that coached? Gerard Mayo.

54:53I played with him, too. Yeah, Mr. Mayo, brother Mayo. What is the difference in the team that Gerard Mayo had that went 4-13 as opposed to the difference in what Mike Brable had to work with with this team this year? I'm calling the plays. Quarterback playing even better. they bring Diggs in Boutte played better Ramadre Stevenson and Henderson ran the ball extremely well but the defense they brought Chason in, they brought Harold Landry in, they brought Milton Williams in they got Spillane in they brought Spillane in they're a better football team they're a better football team personnel wise, they're a better football team coach wise just call it like it is it's okay I like Mel and I wish him success.

55:40But they had back and back years in which they won four games. And guess what, Ocho? They're going to the Super Bowl this year. That's crazy. This is Raybel's first year. You realize that, right? This is his first year. And to take a team the first year, you're the head coach, with a second-year quarterback who is still going through the growing pains, who still hasn't seen that much football at that level, and he's beat two of the best defenses in the NFL? like it's nothing. I mean, it is something. It means something. I'm just saying the fact that, dude, and he's almost, almost done it mistake-free.

56:18Defense carried this round. Obviously, he had some easy. The Patriots defense has given up 26 points in three playoff games.

56:28In three. You know how many the Ravens gave up in four? How many? Three to the Broncos, 10 to the Titans, three to the Raiders. They didn't give up any. So theoretically, Ocho, they gave up 16 points in four games because the seven that they gave up was a kick return. They gave up 16 points in four games. You know what's funny? I don't think people, especially people that are of younger age right now, I don't think they understand how dominant that defense was. There was no weakness at any level, whether it was the first, second, or third level. The back end was phenomenal. Now, obviously, the second level was phenomenal, and that front end was hell to deal with.

57:12And then we talk about damn near elite players, damn near elite players at every position. And those positions that weren't elite, they were very, very, very good. I mean, you couldn't run the football on us. I mean, we were very simple. You just played cover, too. But you couldn't run with Sam and Goode, rest your soul. You couldn't run the football. No, and you couldn't get y 'all out of cover, too, because you couldn't run the damn football. Or we might play some temperature and have Ray run down the hole, but you couldn't run it on him. And if you couldn't run it now, but you got to look at what we had.

57:44We had a defensive rookie of the year, Peter Boulware. I mean, Rod was in the second there. We had Ray was defensive player of the year that year. I mean, they were loaded. That defense was really, really good. And they had rotational JLA and Keith Washington and Powell. I mean, they could just run. New England's offense averaging 15.7 points per game, 4.4 yards of play, 13 of 43. The defense is allowed 8.7, 3.3 yards per play, 12 of 31 on third down, and they had eight takeaways with one score. And then, oh, but also, you know what? That 2000 defense wouldn't be able to play in today's game with the way the rules are.

58:34They wouldn't let you attack the quarterback. They wouldn't be able to play. Everybody, everybody on that defense, would either got fined or suspended. One or the other. So they wouldn't be able to play in today's game. And now that we know the Super Bowl matchup, chat, I'm just curious. And don't be biased. Who you got? Super Bowl. Seahawks? If you make me pick right now, I would say the Seahawks. But. Why? Is that why? Because of the offense? Have you seen the Seahawks defense? I mean, well, obviously that too, but... And that's secondary. It's nice. And they can pressure the quarterback, Leonard Williams and D.

59:13Law and those guys. They can get out there, but the question is, can he avoid the turnover one more game? Yeah. The Patriots have feasted on opposing teams' turnovers. Turning the ball over, yeah. Yeah, I'm excited. I mean, from an offensive standpoint, I would give the upside, obviously, to the Seahawks offensively. Obviously, Stephon Diggs and Boutte and brother Matt Collins have played phenomenal all year. But I think they're a little bit more explosive offensively for the Seahawks. From the defensive side of the ball, we know what the Seahawks are. But the goddamn Patriots defense is just as good.

59:55Maybe not with all the notable names. not very many I hate using the word household name I hate saying that they play well collectively as a group very very well collectively and they're well coached and they're very disciplined so I'm excited I'm excited to see who's going to win I don't know who's going to win but if I had to take someone I'm just giving a slight edge to the Seahawks because of the explosiveness that they have on offense with JSN I don't know who's going to cover him. In the slot. Cover who? Yeah. In the slot? Hell, hold on. If you're talking about in the slot, who's going to cover him out the backfield?

1:00:36Who's going to cover him on the outside? I mean, obviously Christian Gonzalez, but they're... He don't want none of that. But the Christian Gonzalez... Not in the slot. ...to be able to lock in on... Because J.S.H. I mean, but normally, normally what Bill Belichick does and what Brable does... Take away your best. They take away your best. Take your best. Yep. And somebody else is going to have to beat me. yeah somebody's gonna have to beat me I'm trying to think and so I know everybody the line what does Seattle open up as they're probably what three four four point faves yeah three and a half so I'm not surprised they opened up as a three and a half point favorite yeah it's gonna be a good one it's gonna be a good one Drake may gonna have to put them boys on his back uh Drake got to put them more than his back.

1:01:28I think for me, Ocho, is that in the Broncos, they're receiving. I mean, guys, I understand the weather is bad, but you got to make plays. Yeah. Corlin Sutton drops too many passes. Drop too many. Little Jordan Humphrey, you get those opportunities, you got to come down with the ball. It's really that simple. In a situation like this, Ocho, you got to help this quarterback. This ain't both. You don't have the ability to come back. So every possession matters. Every plays matters. It matters. It matters, yeah.

1:01:59Drake may have three playoff wins in three playoff games.

1:02:07And on the second year. Hey, that's crazy. What you call them has? I think what you call them has what? Three, two, four. How many does Joe Burrow has? Joe Burrow has four. Lamar has three.

1:02:31Burrow has five

1:02:38Lamar has three How many does Josh have?

1:02:45Hell, he done passed Dak Dak got two Josh has seven

1:02:54this is why the Patriots let go Gerard Mayo this has been a magical run for Mike Brable in his first season with the Patriots he inherited a franchise that had won four games in 23 and in 24 now they are the AFC champs once again with a 17-3 record this season including the playoffs that's crazy man that's dope that's dope that's dope I mean I was trying to put my finger on it too that's why I asked you when we first started this segment I mean what is the difference I mean what is the personnel the players that came in that just made a complete difference in what they look like the previous year.

1:03:30Josh Daniel calling plays yeah but I mean is just the play calling taking from 4-13 to 14-3 I think there are some philosophical differences between Mike Brable and Gerard Mayo. Gerard Mayo seems excuse me Mike Brable you see how he waits on everybody hugs everybody he's slapping five he gave everybody credit that's yeah gerard mail had more of a belichick style mike brable has his own style he always has and so when i look at it guys sincerely you hear guys say bill was their coach but we played for tom guys say we play for mike

1:04:11i can see that hey he'll play as coach yes he hey uh williams told me i did hey he be a Hey, he be out there in the drills. Milt Williams said they're staying overnight in Denver. Said Brable told him no curfew, but the bus leave at 8, and if you're not on the bus, you're not playing in the bowl. Ooh. Belichick would have had their ass on that plane, head straight back to Boxborough. Hey, straight, straight back home. But you know what? They probably can't even fly out because of the weather. They inclement weather. But congratulations to the New England Patriots. They're back home. so it looked like the Patriot Invitational.

1:04:50They win by the score of 10-7 over the Denver Broncos. They go to the Super Bowl. Super Bowl 60 will be a rematch of Super Bowl 49. I don't think. Super Bowl 60. I don't think, Ocho, if they get the ball on the one-yard line, they're going to throw a pass. I think Kenneth Walker might get that ball. Absolutely, boy. Hey, he's an animal, boy. he's an animal Mike Braybill message to the team punching the ticket to the Super Bowl no curfew tonight the buses are leaving at 8 in the morning so if you ain't on it you ain't playing in the bowl Braybill spoke on the field about the possibility of being the first former player and current head coach the same Super Bowl I won't win it it'll be the players that'll win the game I promise you it won't be me that will win it I promise you that I'll do everything I can in our staff to have them ready for the game.

1:05:50Yes, coaches make a difference. Coaches make a difference. Yeah. Make a difference. They do. They just do. Yeah, you got to have good players. But we've seen teams that have good players. Right. And one coach can't get them over the hump. And another coach comes in and he can. And it's okay. It happens. Just like some players perform better under some coaches than others. That's okay.

1:06:25Damn. Oh, damn. What? Y 'all are one game away. What? Dang. Seems like a lifetime, Ocho. Yeah, yeah. And the thing is, Ocho, is that when you like this, think about how many times they came from behind. The likelihood of you coming from behind like that next year is slim to none. Remember Kansas City? All those games they won the previous year by coming from behind. They lost damn near all of them this year in one-score games. Yeah, all the one-score games. Yep, sure did. So I think the thing, the way they practice, I think the thing, the way they meet, the way you hold them accountable. I think it's, you know, some of the things, if that you listen to Ray Gerard Mayo was saying, hey, it's on the coach, it's on the players, all we can do.

1:07:10Yeah. Braves like, look, we got to do a better job of putting them in position to make plays. Sometimes it's just as simple as that. Sometimes it's tone. Sometimes it's voice inflection. You never know what resonates with a player, but it's your job as a head coach to know what button to push on each individual 53 players. Do you pat him on the back? Do you put your foot in his tail? Do you say congratulations? Do you yell? Do you scream? Because every player has a different stimuli to get them to form at their best. it's your job as a coach to figure it out. Your job as a coach to get each player to go further than he thought he could on his own.

1:07:47I think Mike Braybill does a great job with that. I like to play for a guy like Braybill. I played against him when he was in the league, and I told him he was a solid player. He was where he was supposed to be. If he was supposed to be in the flat, he was there. If he was supposed to be in the hook, he was supposed to be there. If he was supposed to carry the tight end up the scene, he was there. If he was supposed to set the edge, he was setting the edge, and you weren't getting him. You wasn't hooking him. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I played against Frable one time when I was in Cincinnati earlier. I forgot what year that was.

1:08:15Ocho, Nick Benito say he's sick that they lost to Patriots because Denver's the better team. We're definitely the better team. Ocho, do you like Benito saying this after losing? Yeah, you can say that. I mean, that's how you feel. And he wholeheartedly feels that. I feel like we're the better team. And sometimes you go in games and sometimes you do things in life, and you lose the people that you feel inferior to you. Yep. and it happens it happens Nick Benito knows why they lost he just can't say it you can't throw anybody down to the bus you know you guys might be the better team all around in certain areas but not today it comes down to one game this is not a basketball series where you got multiple chances to try to win the game it's who was the better team on that specific day now you might be the better team you know mentally in your mind coming into the game you're probably the better team but you lost today you weren't the better team today That's all that matters.

1:09:07I don't have to be the better team. See, and that's the thing, what people love so much about football. Because beating somebody four times or beating somebody three out of five, that's unimportant to me in football. Because every game is a game seven once you get to the playoffs. So with that being said, the Patriots were the better team that day, today. And that's all that matters, today. Now, if they play tomorrow, could the Patriots win? Maybe, maybe not. but we'll never know because they don't need to win they didn't need to win Saturday they didn't need to win Monday they needed to win today and they won today so it's always tough when you lose a ball game like that yeah but I don't know you know like you said he know he can't hold on you know what I just thought about I'm wearing an Arsenal shirt right and Arsenal played Man United today and Arsenal lost to Man United so therefore I'm wearing a loser I'm wearing a team who's you know let me change let me change shirts hold on

1:10:28Ocho So, what you call him? This is JSN's third year. JSN going to want to get back to the table. So, hold on. Before y 'all break, what you call him out? Let me get a little something. Yeah, he just finished his third year. He had 100 catches last year. Damn, for real?

1:10:54Hey, Nick, I know it's tough, bro. I know it's tough. Drake makes 17. Sam Donald 16 have combined 33 wins and starting quarterbacks in this season, including regular season and playoffs. That's the most combined wins by the two starting quarterbacks entering a Super Bowl in NFL history.

1:11:20Hello, we have 42. Yeah, because I think John and Chris Chandler, I think we had with 16-2. What was the Falcons record? We finished them in the Super Bowl. Because I know we won 14 games. We won two because we was home. So we won 16. And what was the Falcons record going into the game? Falcons might have had to win.

1:11:52How many games did they win that year? so they should have been 17 and 16 too so they won 14 regular season games right and then three postseason games because they were not what you call it was the home was the one seed oh we used to be two first round buys though that's why so it was 16 and 16 32 yeah yeah yeah yeah I was like hold on So, yeah, it used to be two first-round buys. But Drake made 17 wins, Sam Donald 16 wins, have a combined 33 wins starting quarterbacks when you consider it regular season and postseason, Ocho. Most combined ever by two quarterbacks starting in the NFL, in the Super Bowl.

1:12:42JSN is the fifth player with 10 receptions, 150 receiving yards, and a touchdown in a conference championship game. Julio Jones did it in 2012. Pierre Garçon did it in 2009. I hear you did it in 2000 with the Giants. And Playmaker did it in 1994 with the Cowboys. J.J. Watt tweeted, Mike Vrabel in his first year with New England. Mike McDonald in his second year in Seattle. Kirk Signetti, second year at Indiana. A whole lot of owners and athletic directors look around and say, why can't we do that? Expectations of immediate results have never been higher. Hey, but hold on. All owners have to do is look at the foundation.

1:13:28Everything starts with having a goddamn quarterback first. It doesn't matter who you bring in. These coaches are coming to great situations where they have great pieces in certain places and you build around those pieces. But the most important piece that you need to have success before you worry about any other position, unless you have a phenomenal defense, is the quarterback position. Broncos showed you even with a phenomenal defense, if you don't have that quarterback, you're not doing nothing. Ta-da. The Seahawks, excuse me, the Texans last week, if your quarterback plays like garbage, you're not doing anything.

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