Best of NFL Divisional Round Part 2: Ja’Quan McMillian breaks down game-sealing INT off Josh Allen

22:42It's hard for me to, and I've had a chance to look at, it's hard for me to understand why it was ruled the way it was ruled. And if it is ruled that way, then why wasn't it slowed down? Just to make sure that we have this right. That would have made a lot of sense to me, to make sure that we have this thing right, because that's a pivotal play in the game where we have the ball at the 20, maybe kicking a game-winning field goal right there. So I'll just leave it at that. But I'm saying it because I'm standing up for Buffalo, damn it. I'm standing up for us. Because what went on is not – that is not how it should go down, in my estimation.

23:23That play – these guys spend three hours out there playing football, pouring their guts out, to not even say, hey, let's just slow this thing down. That's why I'm bothered. You're right. No. In my eyes, it was. Yes. In my eyes, it was.

23:41Shannon Sharpe:Now, which play is he talking about? He's talking about the interception. to play the Cooks in which McMillan took it out of his hands. Listen, Mr. McDermott has been around the game of football for a very long time. Mr. McDermott understands the rules when it comes to the game of football. Even watching from the sideline, you had a field side. You have an eye view of what's going on. You know that's the interception. I'm a receiver. Even I understand that you have to have positions to catch and maintain it and get up with the ball. because he went if he doesn't go to the ground it's a catch but once you go to the ground on you must maintain if the dad's brian i dad's brian is the daredevil green bay game went to the ground they know the moment you go to the ground so let that chat if you can if you hey i don't know what y 'all rules are in the turkey league or your flag football league but if you catch a football and you go to the ground.

24:44Shannon Sharpe:You got to maintain possession of the football throughout the act of the catch. And Buffalo, it's hard, but you know McMillan, as he was going down, McMillan was pulling the ball. That's why he was able to come up with it. Hey, that's a bang-bang play is going to the ground. I mean, the receiver, you want to do the best you can to grab that thing and have strong hands. But obviously, you out here. You out here with it. So it's hard to bring that in. And because you out here and you exposed, you don't have much strength because it's not close to your body. And because when he turned, because when you turn, Ocho, you bring the DB into play now.

25:34Shannon Sharpe:now he got now he can do this and his momentum is carrying him over so he gonna pull it out yeah every time but think about it he pulled it out and held on to it a lot of times we see it pull out and it's incomplete yeah but the harris the play before see if cooks was a hands catcher he'd caught that one on the sideline remember he jumped up and caught it with his body he got his foot down and then he tried to brace himself and his hand touched down out of bounds. He caught it with his hands. He got both feet down his bounds. You have to understand where you are on the field. But I thought, look, if I'm Buffalo, I'm definitely bringing Cooks back because I think he played, I thought he played really well.

26:23Shannon Sharpe:I mean, also, he just got there like two days ago. Yeah, he ain't been that long. He ain't been that long, but even if you don't bring Cooks back, you think about some of the options, some of the options that you have. There might be a shakeup. There might be a shakeup with someone that's down there in Philly who might be a viable option to come in as your number one, who would be tremendous to have for Josh Allen to have a, what I like to consider, a true number one. Chat, y 'all know exactly where I'm going with this. You never know what can happen in regards to people talk about cap hits and all that.

27:00I'm not sure if y 'all been following the game of football long enough. NFL teams don't care nothing about no cap hits. NFL teams don't care nothing about no cap hits or how high it is. They don't care nothing about that, especially when situations have deteriorated as much as they have this year over there with some of the issues that they had. So I think they're probably going to move on from one of the best in the game, and there's a good chance he might end up in Buffalo.

27:24Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, pool report reasoning. Question. What did you see on the past to Brandon Cooks that was ruled an interception by Jaquan McMillan. Carl Chaffers, who's the referee. The receiver has to complete the process of the catch. He's going to the ground. As part of the process to catch, he lost possession of the ball when he hit the ground. The defender gained possession of it at that point. The defender is the one that completed the process of the catch, so the defender was awarded the ball. Question, did the ball hit the ground? No, that was confirmed in the replay process. The interception was confirmed.

28:04Shannon Sharpe:Now, he is an official. Now, I just told you the rule. I told you the rule. I tweeted it. Somebody, I said, this is what has to happen. When you go, Chad, this is the last time Ocho and I was going to explain it to you. Ocho is a receiver. I'm the DB. Ocho jumps up and catches the ball. If he stays on his feet, we good. But if Ocho goes to the ground and in the process of going to the ground, we hit the ground simultaneous and he loses possession and I come up with the ball, it's my ball. I completed the process, not Ocho. Ocho started the process. I appreciate him for doing that. I completed the process.

28:45That's my ball. Right. Also, Chad, with this hypothetical scenario that Unc just created, if he was a DB and I was a receiver, I would have scored a touchdown. That would have been a difference.

28:59Shannon Sharpe:I ain't letting you out. Ocho, and they know this. In overtime, everything is replayed. Because they didn't want people challenging it. A touchdown, somebody had to burn a challenge flag because they thought it was a touchdown. Or that was a fumble, or that was this. They said, you know what? We're going to let you save your challenges. the mere fact it was a change of possession they replay it I don't know why Sean McDermott burned the timeout they replayed it it was a turnover all scoring and change of possession plays are automatically revealed yeah yeah and then to know the rules as a head case and still you have to you got to fight for your team you got to stick up for your team but like come on there you know that once Brandon Cook goes to the ground he must maintain possession if he'd have maintained possession what that would have meant Ocho McMillan wouldn't have had the ball how you have something in your possession and then I got it in my possession right and then you know some people aren't even going to listen some people aren't going to listen you know the people that are not going to listen the people that Buffalo failed.

30:19Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Shady, you just said that. You just said that because your team won. No, I'm saying that because that's the rules. I just happen to know the rules. I mean, I wish, look, and I get it. And in situations Ocho and I talked about a little earlier is that PIs are really hard, but they become excruciatingly hard the later you get into the game. Because you feel like that might have influenced or had some impact on the game. Yeah, I hate that. But ask yourself, Buffalo fans, if the guy had dead Shakira like that, would you have wanted that play call? Yes or no?

31:06Yeah.

31:07Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

31:10Shannon Sharpe:How about your quarterback? Hold on to the football. how about your quarterback not try to throw down the scene and read the backside safety right josh allen i mean for the mere fact that you was even in the game y 'all should i mean you play probably any other team you lose it you you're in a situation like you're in a situation like san fran in seattle oh game over game over both both five well i oh five, excuse me, you do realize the goddamn Seahawks capitalize off every turn of the night. Every last one. And the thing, this game was about, boy, this game was about to get out of hand. It was 7-3.

31:59Shannon Sharpe:Denver didn't do anything. They got the ball back, and they're going right back down the field. If Singleton put a hit on James Cook, yeah, take it! I mean he picked him up off his feet and Huff was right there Johnny on the spot and they go right back down the field and they get a touchdown but this thing was about to be 14-3 there are no inconsequential plays come postseason every play matters every play matters and people don't well that ain't no one play because it's only it's like four or five plays that actually determine the outcome of the game. Every time. It's four or five plays. You can go back and look.

32:46Shannon Sharpe:In the postseason, it's because every play is very, very important. You just track it back. We make this. We do this. But that was an interception. They reviewed it. I don't know. He's talking about, well, they should have took a little bit more time. How much time do you want them to take? It don't change the – Ocho, if they took – you know what? They just came back from the review. It was an interception. It don't matter how long it takes. It doesn't change the outcome. No. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. And some people – I'm reading the chat as we sit here talking. Some people still not listening. He hit the ground with the ball.

33:35Shannon Sharpe:I mean, like – He did. Buddy, so let me ask you a question. If the ball, let me ask you a question. He catches the football, he hits the ground, and the ball pops out, is that a catch? Why is it in the catch? He hit the ground with the ball. Mm-hmm. If Ocho, I can't read the chat. But Ocho's saying, he's reading the chat. He's saying he hit the ground with the ball. So if he hits the ground with the ball, and the ball pops out, what is that?

34:03Shannon Sharpe:Incomplete. Okay. go to the ground as the receiver you must maintain possession of the football he goes to the ground he didn't maintain possession you know why because mcmillan took it from him yeah mcmillan and carl chafferis told you it was the db that completed the process of going to the ground and coming up with the football oh yeah the difference is mcmillan was down by contact because Cook had touched him. If not, he could have got up and ran. Yeah. I mean, this and this sucks. Oh, Joe, you know what it's like? It sucks. It's like, you get your girl pregnant. And she wait, oh, Joe, she wait three or four weeks to tell you.

34:50Shannon Sharpe:Why didn't you tell me? It wasn't going to change anything. I'm still pregnant. It don't change nothing. So if I'd have told you in March, instead of telling you April, what would that have changed? I'm still pregnant. So if they take 30 minutes, they take 45 minutes, they take an hour to review that call is still an interception is still the Broncos ball. No matter what. I know, but I don't matter. I get it. I get it. This was supposed to be your year because all the stumbling blocks, all the things that have stopped you in previous years removed, mainly Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes. those two have been removed and now you let a second quarterback come in and that's why I'm a firm believer in letting a coach pick his quarterback

35:46Sean

35:47Shannon Sharpe:didn't want Russ I don't believe he had to belittle Russ like he did in Detroit and so hold on not to get off track We were talking about A.J. Brown. They're talking about A.J. Brown is too big of a cap, hit dead money. I said, is he more or less than what Russell Wilson was on the cap? I mean, I don't think people understand how this business works. I don't think they do because the first thing they do is they – NFL teams do not care about that dead cap, hit money. They don't. When things have deteriorated, the relationships, the distractions, as they so call them, when it gets to the point where it is now, there's no going back.

36:37There's no going back. And obviously, it's the Eagles fans. Listen, you love AJ. You love what he stands for. You love what he's done for the organization. But it's tough, man. It's tough. He's not happy. No.

36:52Shannon Sharpe:And the report that he had requested a trade, I don't know if that's true. Some reports could be erroneous and some could be have some. There might be a little truth in it. There's a little truth even in the line. Oh, wait, it depends on who it came from. It depends where the rumor came from. And if it's anonymous and someone that is somewhat of a credible source says it, it's coming from somewhere. Yes. It's coming from somewhere. They reviewed it. Ah, man, the NFL record decibel level is Arrowhead Stadium fans reached 142.2. Wow, I told you I know I knew it was even way off It was either Kansas City or we'll see I was one of the other That thing was like last so that's that's 23 show Yeah, yeah, you you I mean oh Kansas City endeavor was a too loudest state as I ever played in Yeah, and it's what happened with my home in Kansas City.

37:52Shannon Sharpe:We played, you know We played there every year for 12 years. So I got 12 trips. Well, I got 13 because we played them in the playoffs one year. Yeah. I only had one trip. And that one trip there, I was like, I ain't never experienced nothing like this. And I'm like, I'm curious. All fans, they sit in the stadium. They all scream. They all cheer. They all boo, whatever it may be. And I'm thinking, well, maybe it's the way the stadium is built. Why is it that this stadium in particular sounds so much different than everyone else? I mean, when it's so loud and I got to get right and you sit right next to me.

38:31Shannon Sharpe:And you can't you can't I can't hear what you say unless I. Yeah. Yeah. That's when, you know, it's loud. This it was it was crazy, but I'm glad Carl Chepard's and normally the referee meet with pool reporters and they ask any controversial call or what this X, Y, and Z. And he explained it to him. Possession of the football, receiver goes to the ground. He must maintain possession of the football throughout the entirety of the act of catching the football. He did not, and y 'all know it. So hopefully Ocho and I explained that to you guys really, really well because I don't really know what else to say.

39:12Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, obviously emotions were extremely high in the Bills locker room after the game. Here's Josh Allen and Deion Dawkins after the game.

39:27Shannon Sharpe:How hard is it to sit here again and chat this out? It's extremely difficult.

39:38Feel like I let my teammates down tonight. He said he feels like he let you guys stay. How do you react when your quarterback has done so much for you says that to you guys?

39:50Shannon Sharpe:He let us down.

39:59Shannon Sharpe:Thanks, Tim. Tough. I love that emotion. Because you know why I love it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I know how much they invested into him. This is the kind of emotion that when you invest into it, your relationship is ending up for 5, 10, 15 years.

40:19Shannon Sharpe:That's that hurt, boy. your child is after everything that you've done and you've invested so much and they they get sidetracked temporarily that thing hurts yeah i've been there josh i've been there dion bro don't let nobody are a big grown-ass man if i because everybody gonna say man if i'm making 40 30 40 i don't care well see the funny thing about it is people can't see past the money people can't see past the money but they don't understand all the work that you put in to be able to make that kind of money. A lot of sacrifice. Training camp. All season program. Hours and hours and countless hours of practice and film and studying.

41:04Rehab. They don't understand everything that goes. People, fans of the game, they get to see the finished product go out there on Sundays. They don't understand the work you got to put in before Sunday gets there.

41:17Shannon Sharpe:Do you know how long it took them to get there? That's right. That's where the tears come from. Think about how long it took them to get there. Man. I mean, from the time a lot of these guys have been playing football from the time they were seven, eight, nine years old, this is a lifetime of devotion. This is a lifetime of dedication. And I'm so close. I can see it. I'm so close. I can see it, Ocho. And every single year, and it doesn't get easier, I want you to know disappointment does not get easier it doesn't even if you've had disappointment one year after the next it doesn't get easier it doesn't as a matter of fact it gets harder because as you suffer these disappointments as the years go by you realize I got you less years to do this that window of opportunity is small that window of opportunity in the NFL in general is small.

42:16And then you have to maximize the opportunities to make the playoffs or be able to make that run at getting to Lombardi. You were afforded opportunities for a while in your career. That's very fortunate. I went three and four years. Imagine being on my end. You know, going into each season, hoping at least just hoping to have a winning season. You got me thinking about no Lombardi? Shit, I'm trying.

42:47Shannon Sharpe:Can we have a winning season first? Yeah, let's win. Let's get to the playoffs. And then maybe I can shift my focus. Because right now, I can't really see past that. I can't see that far down the road, don't you? It's dark, and I ain't got no headlights on. Yeah, amen. But the raw, like I said, Chad, and just let's remove yourself if you've never been an athlete or, or, or, but I'm saying just imagine the thing that you poured the most into the thing that you sacrificed the most and it didn't go your way. Maybe you didn't get the job. Maybe you didn't get into the school that you wanted. Maybe you didn't get the grades that you wanted.

43:29Shannon Sharpe:Maybe you didn't get the promotion that you wanted. You know what the funny thing about it is, is everybody can be able to have a sense of how Dion Dawkins is feeling or how Josh Allen is feeling simply because maybe if you didn't play sports, hell, it could be a relationship. You think about the years and the time you spent, you know, investing in something and not getting that return on it. And then it ending and you're sitting there wondering like, well, God damn, where did everything go wrong? What did I do? What could I have done differently? Better, yeah, yeah. Because that's the thing. It's the lifetime of regret that you look back and like, what?

44:13Shannon Sharpe:Because nobody remembers all the great Superman, the Herculean plays that Josh Allen's made. All they remember, the man, I remember him in the divisional round. He turned the ball over four times. He had gone six games. He had turned the ball over. 16 total touchdowns, zero turnovers. And then today, he had four. They had five turnovers. You have five turnovers and still take a field goal in overtime to beat you, let you know you're close. But close only matters if you throw grenades and you're slow dancing. And if there's a chaperone there, you're not going to be able to get that close.

44:52I like that. I ain't never heard that one.

44:58Shannon Sharpe:It's tough, man. I know how Josh and I'm feeling. Because, boy, I felt the same way when we lost to Jacksonville. that exactly exactly and I held it together when I was on camera but when I got in that car

45:18you let it out huh as a matter of fact

45:22Shannon Sharpe:my girl she ain't even ride home with me I said ride home with your mom damn because I don't know I already know I won't be able to get the number Yeah, you want you want to see you vulnerable, huh? It's okay to cry. I know it is I Because I already know because I had put so much blame on me. I had dropped the two-point conversion I had dropped the crucial third down. I have put so much on me. Yeah, I couldn't let her see me break down because I know I was gonna break down It's okay to be vulnerable on see I'd be I'd be crying on the show live in front of everybody. I don't be care that's uh yeah i'm just like i and plus i just want i just wanted to talk i just wanted to talk to my brother i just needed to hear his voice because he's yeah he's that soothing he's that calm that let me know it's okay yeah and that's that's that's what i got so what josh is feeling what deon dog is feeling i felt the same thing i was just able to keep it i was just able to hold it together on camera.

46:22Shannon Sharpe:But trust me, when I got in that car, yeah.

46:29Damn, huh? I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that, man.

46:37That mean you play shitty, boy.

46:39Shannon Sharpe:I did. I caught a touchdown, Ocho. I'm feeling good, Ocho. Put emotion, went down. I was like, you know, I put a move on them, Ocho. They put me in motion. Yeah. Got up the ceiling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Caught like a 20-something yard, 27-yard touchdown. We were hyped. Go back down the field. Scored again. Two points. Because we kicked two field goals. Then we got a touchdown. And Mike said, we got to go. We're going for two. Going for two. Yeah. Oh, man. I still.

47:08Damn, Uncle, you drop it? Hey, you sorry, man.

47:13Shannon Sharpe:That's exactly right. You sorry, bro. Remember what I say? The mind replays what the heart can't delete. I was heartbroken. I replayed that over and over. I mean, think about it. I mean, I won three Super Bowls. I was a multiple-time All-Pro, Pro Bowl player. I'm in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Every state that I've ever lived in, I'm in the Sports Hall of Fame. I'm in the Division II Hall of Fame. I'm in the Black College Hall of Fame. That play. Damn. That play. I still think about it. and don't worry about it now boy that was a long time ago boy it is i mean sometimes i find myself i mean you know i just be i find myself just thinking like damn what if but then i flip side said well shannon that was the catalyst for you guys to get go get back to back but then i start talking to burns i thought to man man we you know we should have three-peated then all then all of a emotions that I felt so many, many years ago start coming back.

48:18Dang.

48:22Shannon Sharpe:I try to be... I think that's one of my problems because I try to be a perfectionist. I try to do every single thing right. And I try to do... I try to take every step to make sure it's right. And when it's not...

48:42Boy. It hurt. You got to understand, you're human, man. You're human. As much as we want to be perfect in all that we do. Yes. Yes.

48:52Shannon Sharpe:My sister tell me that all the time, Ocho. Yeah. Human error is inevitable. No matter how much we try to perfect our craft or perfect the way we walk, you know, in the steps of the big man upstairs. Man, we all backslide at some point. We all fall short at some point. And then the thing is, I go to Baltimore, and I'm known as the Jaguar killer. Two game-winning touchdowns against them jokers. Set up another game with a field goal. Yeah. I was like, okay. Okay, Jaguar killer. I like that. Okay. Hey, hey, y 'all. Yeah, yeah. I declawed him. Give him a clause. You can't do nothing. Who are the clause?

49:42Shannon Sharpe:I declawed him. Let me stop for, you know, he'll be talking all crazy, reckless. They got mad at Kim Kardashian because she went and bought some dogs and didn't go to the pound. Ocho. Yeah. We're going to put this loss on Josh?

50:00Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Yeah. We put it on every other quarterback when they lose. This is on Josh. Because we gave a ton of credit last week against Jags, didn't we, Ocho? A game a lot. Game a lot. Gave him a lot The onus on that win was Josh Allen So the onus on this loss is on Josh Allen He did have four turnovers He played like doo-doo, what? He played like doo-doo I ain't talking about any kind of doo-doo I'm talking about like diarrhea Like slippery Yeah, like messy Hey, tonight, bad for 17, what? You know And I'm not one to really criticize But I've gotten better at being able to express myself when someone doesn't play up the par.

50:41Based on the standards of being an MVP caliber quarterback and not having to deal with your nemesis.

50:47Shannon Sharpe:No, he ain't no MVP caliber quarterback. He an MVP. He got it. He got the award last year, remember? Okay, I bet.

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53:16Shannon Sharpe:Ocho. Yeah. We're going to talk about the Texas Patriots game in a bit, but first it's time to welcome Broncos cornerback Jaquan McMillan. J-Mac, walk us through that play, because I know your heart was beating fast. You let Brandon Cook kind of get behind you like, oh, my goodness. We had the ball first. If he catches this ball, they're at the 20-yard line. They're in field goal range considering Matt Prater kicked for almost a decade in Denver, and he had just made a 50-yard field goal to send it to overtime. So you're like, okay, walk us through that play. What's going through your mind? Because you look up and you see the ball.

53:54Shannon Sharpe:Take it from there. Yeah, man. we was actually in zero we had zero coverage and I see Josh Adelight and kind of bring to it like a 20 look a protection look and I'm just thinking in my head like oh man like okay they better pick up the blitz so I kind of back up a little bit it was like 3rd and 10 so I'm right at the sticks I'm playing at the sticks I know I got two droppers at the hook But, you know, they ain't really going to help. You know what I'm saying? So I'm playing sticks. He's running. And he kept going. So I just kind of gave him a little jab and running. That's how he had me by like a yard or two.

54:41He kind of underthrew it. And, you know, I'm just running, running. And I try not to panic, man. I didn't panic. I seen his eyes getting big. And I'm like, okay, the ball is in the air. So once he starts slowing down, okay, I'm like, now I'm like, okay, the ball is on the throne. So now I'm just playing through his hands. I'm just waiting on the ball to drop. So I'm like really having my hands, you know, through his hands. And once he had it at first coming down, and then once I got my hand on the ball, I'm following with him. And once we fell together, he lost control, and I just yanked out of his hands.

55:17Shannon Sharpe:Because you're like, you say, okay, I'm playing through his hands. And Ocho and I was talking about this receiver. sometimes they give it away. They give a tail away. A receiver with late hands is very difficult for you because he'll wait until the last second and pluck it. Some guys can keep their eyes like, no, I'm like, damn, when is the ball coming? And next thing you know, it's in his arm. A lot of guys can't control their eyes. It's just like, oh, my goodness. And their eyes get bigger. You're like, okay, the ball's in the air. Like you said, the ball's in the air. So now you're playing through his hands.

55:45Shannon Sharpe:You're like, okay, I got the ball. He got the ball. But the problem is he falls. you fall on top of him and pull it. Yeah. Did you know, did you think like, what are they going to call? Are they going to give me the interception? Are they going to say he's down by contact? Are they going to say incomplete? What is your thought process? What's going through your head? Play every scenario. What you thinking? Yeah, man, once I came up, once I had the ball in my hand, I kind of rolled on top of him. I get up and I'm holding the ball in the air. And you can see in the video, I'm looking at the back judge like, okay, what you going to call?

56:16Once I see him doing this and point the other direction, I'm heading to the end zone. I'm about to celebrate. So once I see him do that, it was over with. The funny thing about it, too, is there's been so much controversy about that play. A lot of people saying that obviously the Bills got hold because the play call was wrong. But obviously what happens is there was a smooth transition from him catching and you coming up with the ball to where the call was made the right way. Yeah. The call was made the right way. In order to have a completed catch, the person has to come down with the ball, secure the ball, and be able to get up with said ball.

56:53And that was you who got up with the ball. So I'm not sure how the people don't understand the rules. And one of the things that kind of gets everybody upset is because tonight we had something very similar with Devontae Adams. And there's no consistency with plays that are like that. So I think that's where the confusion comes in that. It's just that the refs, they have to find some of the competition committee, whoever it is. They need to find a way to have the calls always remain consistent based on the rules that those that have already played the game know and were able to call right away when you got the interception.

57:26Shannon Sharpe:J-Mac, did you know the rules that if a receiver catches the football, goes to the ground, he must survive the contact from the ground and possess the football? because you survived the you you he he caught it you took it survived the contact from the ground and got up with the ball that's the way Carl Jeffers that's where all the uh the referees that have been going on shows explained it it's like yes there was a transition that on the way down that the DB took the ball he survived the contact from the ground and got up with the ball so what we have is an interception it can be it can't be anything but an interception what did what did uh vj what what did vans tell you because i know he was like oh my goodness we just went bomb blitz we just blew it up they max protect because like you said they went 20 protection they brought two extra guys in so now whatever you come with they can pick it up they got seven protectors yeah they got enough to hold it off because you know a you go here you go here, they always go in bombs, in the bomb situation, they always go send one player deep, at least one.

58:36Shannon Sharpe:You and you like, hold on. Wait a minute. Damn, they can pick this up. Oh, Lord have mercy. Jesus. I'm out here by myself. And this guy can still run. He might not run four, three like he did coming out, but he can still get on the board. He was running, but BJ came to me. He was just excited, man. He was like, Hey man, you made a play, which you always do, man. I always, you know, come up in the clutch time and I made a play, man. It was just crazy, man. Matt, people don't understand it's a whole different animal playing the slot as opposed, because the slot, he can go across the field, he can start in and come back out, he can start out, come back in, he can go up the scene, he can go far across, he can go sail, he can go stop, he can do so many things And you're playing like you're based on formation, down and distance, of where he is on the field.

59:32So you've studied the game like, okay, in this formation, this down and distance,

59:37Shannon Sharpe:this area of the field, he likes to run this. And so you kind of play, but you can't get too aggressive because if he options away from you, ah. You're out of position. Oh, yeah, like I said, we had two hook droppers. You can see in the video, you see Nick Benito, he dropped. So I'm like, okay, even though we're in zero, I can line up, like, head up to outside. Right. In a slot, you always, you got to pick a leverage. Because you have a two-way go. You got to make sure you know, okay, he can't come this way. And if he go this way, okay, I'm already open to run. So that's what I would. I was head up to outside.

1:00:13If they do anything quick, I knew I had my help defending, low help defending on the hook. So he kept running. And, you know, I just played outside leverage and gave him a jab. And I just ran with him. Just ran. Like I said, he just played through his hands, man. But he was rolling, man. He was rolling. The ball was a little bit unthrowing. Slowed down a little bit. That kind of helped me. But he just made a play. But he showed you the ball also.

1:00:36Shannon Sharpe:Ocho and I was talking about it last night. If he lets that ball kind of like with Marvin Mims, Marvin let the ball go over. So now you got to run through him. He opened up and allowed you. He kind of jumped in the air. He kind of jumped in the air. so it helped me. Yes. Because, Ocho, remember we talked about a lot of times when guys jump up in the air, that's like guys punch it out because you got no leverage. You're not grounded. That's why it's so easy to get the ball out when a guy's up in the air. You see guys try to go up over a running back or a wide receiver try to go up. It's easier because they don't have no stability.

1:01:10Shannon Sharpe:They're not on the ground. And you said when he jumps up, okay, now he ain't as strong as he would be if he was on the ground. If he was on the ground, yep. And plus, I know one thing. If you play basketball, I know the guy, he's got to bring the ball up. So he's got to bring it to me. Well, he's got to bring it down because he's going to try to get it to his body. That's exactly what I did. You bring it to your body, I'm going to shoot through, and I'm going to get it. Yeah, that's exactly what I did. Once he came down with that mug, I'm already in his pocket. You're in between, yes. Yeah, I'm already in his pocket.

1:01:44So he brought the football to me. and I just filled with him and ripped that thing out.

1:01:51Shannon Sharpe:Go ahead, Ocho. In those pressure situations like that, especially understanding it's cover zero, you're on the island all by yourself. Most of the time, the ball got to come out short, but you got your hook. You got your hooks coming to help you out, right? Most of the ball, the ball got to come out fast. Even though he had that step on you and you got to play catch up, how do you stop yourself from panicking in situations like that where you know you beat? because that's the hardest thing for DBs is when you know you got to catch up, you lose all technique and all you're doing is just running, just going.

1:02:24How were you able to keep yourself in a relaxed mind state to make that play you did make? Just reading the receiver, just reading him. Once he slowed down, I knew the ball was short, so I had to adjust to that. And you can see in the video, I kind of like, once he slowed down, I see him jumping, I kind of turned my head a little bit. Yeah. And got my hand up in there. But, man, it's practice. It just takes practice, you know. You're a receiver and that's how you stay calm just in the moments. Yeah, it's one thing to say it, right? It's one thing to say it, but, you know, I'm talking about games and practice.

1:03:07In practice, it's easy to stay calm and relax. But in game time, you know, shoot, man, shit. Well, you see it all the time, boy, every Sunday. We always talk to, like, force the receiver to make the catch. You know what I'm saying? Fight them all the way to the ground. That's what I'm saying. That's what I did. Just fight them all the way to the ground. And, you know, the ball just so happened to be in my hand, but I was going to get the ball out regardless. That's what I'm saying. I was going to get the ball out regardless.

1:03:36Shannon Sharpe:J-Mac, but here's the difference between practice and the game. Because in practice, it's quiet. And you hear him say, ball, ball, ball, ball. You start looking. Yeah. You can't hear ish in the game. They can be screaming, ball, ball, ball. You ain't going to hear it. You don't hear nothing. Mm-mm. You're not going to hear it. They might as well be just, ball, ball, ball. Because you don't hear a thing. Yeah. But he's just reading it. He's just, like I said, he's just reading the receiver, man. He's going to tell you when the ball is right there. And he jumped up in the air. He gave me all the signs that the ball was right there.

1:04:09Yeah.

1:04:10Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Did you watch any of today's game between the Patriots and the Texans? Yeah. Yeah. What do you see? What do you see on film? I mean, they got to come there. Obviously, everybody knows Bo Nix is done for the year. You're going with your backup, Jared Stenum, who at one point in time, he was a starter. He started for the Patriots, started for the Raiders. So now I think he's been there for like three years. I think he's been there two or three years. So you know what you're going up against. you're going to have to do what you've done all year play to your strength but you're going to have to do you know help your young quarterback out yeah they got a good quarterback good run game they roll off the run game play a run off play action got a decent receiver core man but I haven't watched too much I used to watch the game so I don't really know too much about them but from based on I see they had a good run game and it's kind of helping them, you know, in the pass game.

1:05:12Shannon Sharpe:You like watching – if I'm playing a team, if I know that team is on our schedule, I can't watch them on TV copy because I would get a false sense. If they played bad, I was like, oh, yeah, we're about to run through these dudes. And if they played good, I was like, oh, my goodness, Lord, how are we going to score on these guys? So I never watched it. I just wanted to – hey, just give me the cutoff. Just give me the breakdown and I'll take it from there. So you actually watch a team that you're going to actually play. Do you get the TV copy to try to hear, you know, calls or anything like that?

1:05:45Shannon Sharpe:Cadence, if you're going to come off the blitz or anything? Do you watch the TV copy and try to pick up the sound? Because some guys, some defensive linemen obviously try to get the cadence of the quarterback. I kind of watch the TV copy kind of like on the back end of the week. You know, I get my cut-ups first. I watch all my cut-ups first, second down, early in the week. and then the next day I might do the third down and do that. And then towards the later of the week, closer to the game, I watch the TV copies because, you know, the commentary is kind of giving you a lot of information when you watch the game.

1:06:15They do. You know what I'm saying? And then you pick up on those signs based on, like, checks and you hand signals and stuff like that. And, you know, is this guy, does he like to hard count? You know what I'm saying? You know, I'm reading everything. His first reads, you know what I'm saying? I'm just listening to the commentary and seeing how the game flow, how the flow of the game is going. But I don't watch too much of the TV copy. I'm more of a cut-up guy, you know, watching formations and things like that. So based on what you've seen so far, based on what you know about them, even though you haven't gotten into preparing for that game against them, is there anyone on the Patriots that you see might be able to give you fits on the opposite side of you?

1:06:58or you feeling comfortable going to that game where it ain't nothing. I got this. I just have to be technically sound and be disciplined with my eyes and I'm going to be all right. When I always go into a game, like, man, if I just do what I do, my job and have my eyes where it's supposed to be and play off technique, man, I feel like I just can't be beat. That's how I feel.

1:07:19Shannon Sharpe:I like it. I like it. I like it. You guys got tomorrow off? You got to go in and watch film? You got anything or you got tomorrow off? We go in for like a team meeting, but we don't do too much. It's like a regular week now. So go in, team meet, and then we have Tuesday off, and then we start back Wednesday. Back at it. Okay. Yeah. Man, congratulations, man. I was that man. I was – I said, man, if the Broncos lose this game after getting five turnovers, I'm going to lose my mind. I'm going to lose – I ain't bad. I was going to lose my mind. But I talked to Pat, PS2, before the game, and I think you know now is that there are no insignificant plays in the postseason.

1:08:00Shannon Sharpe:Every play matters. In the regular season, you might can brush a play off in the first or second quarter. But you can't do that in the postseason. I'll give you a prime example. I think it was the second quarter. You remember when Coleman dropped that ball in the end zone? And people said, whoo, glad he dropped it because it was a penalty. But if he catches it, you guys are going to have to accept the penalty. Now you give Josh Allen another crash at you. You see what they did on Cho? Yeah. Now, because he dropped it, we can decline the penalty. Instead of giving him another crack to get seven, they had to settle for three.

1:08:32Shannon Sharpe:See, there are no insignificant plays. People like try to, well, you know, it really didn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Come postseason, every play matters. Talk to Sean. And I know Sean told you guys, like, Sean, hey, you've been here. You know what it's like. You're like, we're ready to play. We're ready. and you guys Matt, you guys got to put that away they come out, you get the strip sack, Benito chops him you get the ball, you kick a field goal going into the half they get the ball, Benito hits him in the back, you get the ball to the 19 put him away, you get a touchdown there, you put him away.

1:09:11Yeah, game over. Yeah, that's one thing about NFL football, man, like we, like you said we got the forced fumble right before they have three points and then come back you know force another fumble and we done all this and the game still closes like still like you know what I'm saying like it's a long game it's a long game and it feels crazy it's a long game playoff game is the atmosphere is just crazy it's different the tempo is different

1:09:40Shannon Sharpe:the flows I mean it's a different it's a different world oh yeah man that stadium got so quiet when they took the lead because they got a field goal and then they came back and they took the lead and they made it 24 to 23. That might have been the quietest I've ever heard mile high. Because they're like, hold on. We got four turnovers. We were kicking the ish out of them the whole game. How they got the lead? That's what would be the crazy part. Like, man, like, you would think, like, if you don't even look at the school board, you're just thinking, like, man, we on them. Like, we on them. Dominating.

1:10:14And then, yeah, we dominating. And then they score one touchdown. It's like, they right back in it. Right back in it.

1:10:22Shannon Sharpe:Man, well, congratulations. That's one of the biggest plays in Bronco history, in postseason play. Congratulations, Proud. I think you or Benito going to probably be AFC defensive player of the week. Because Benito got two forced fumbles. You got a pick. I don't know if it's going to be out of you and Carlton Davis. But I think one of you guys is going to probably be AFC defensive player of the week. But congratulations. Great season thus far. Hey, I'm trying to see y 'all in the same frame, bro. Matt, I got a question. Go ahead. Matt, you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. Hey, if I was playing today, right?

1:10:55Yeah. Like hypothetically speaking, if I was playing today's game, you think you can cover me? Of course. 100%. 100%. No, I'm being serious. 100%. This Ocho you talking to? I know who I'm talking to. I know exactly who I'm talking to. I know, you know, I've watched the highlights before, you know? Okay. You talking to J-Mac? Yeah. You know what we do? I know. Listen, I know you're Bronco, but I mean, he said he can cover me. I mean, you think you can cover me right now? What? Ocho? Of course. We can line up whenever. Got locked up. Won't let anybody. We can line up whenever. We can do something.

1:11:32Listen, your whole secondary can come get this work now. Ain't nothing wrong with my feet. Hey, we ain't ducking nothing. The whole secondary. All right. I'm in Miami. Come on down here. I'll be down there. I'll be down there. For real? Yeah. Fort Lauderdale. All right. after y 'all hold that trophy up. Yeah. I got you. Hey, you nervous, huh? I can hear it in your voice. Nervous? Yeah. Yeah. I ain't never nervous. One thing about J-Mac. Hey, one thing about J-Mac. I don't care who I line up against. Yeah. Yeah. Anybody can get it. Hold on. This me, now. This ain't them. This me. I understand who you are.

1:12:07I'm the original shit talker. This me. I know who you are. Don't do that. I know who you are. Okay. But I'm J-Mac. Damn. Bronco country. Hey, have a good one, boy, man. I salute you, man. I salute you. Appreciate y 'all.

1:12:23Shannon Sharpe:Congratulations, man. Great week. Keep it going, man. Hey, one more. We so close. One more. One more. Appreciate it, man. Thanks for joining us. Yes, sir. Appreciate it. Juan McMillan, Denver Broncos.

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