Best of NFL News Part 1: Big Ben DRAMA, Cousins RETURN?!

15:04Shannon Sharpe:He ain't got to worry about nothing. But just beat me and says, okay, this job is up for grabs. May the best man win. Well, I guess I was the best man because I'm going to win. It's really that simple. But I've always, because I looked at it like this, guys, if I got hurt, I was a horrible teammate. I was a horrible leader. If I had not prepared that guy to go out there and help this team win, I was selfish. I'm withholding information from him that can help him get better and then turn around and help the team. So that's why I always put my arms around a guy. And the guys will tell you, hey, man, help.

15:44Shannon Sharpe:But they call me Sharp or they call me Shade. And so that means a lot to me. That means a lot because I wasn't concerned about somebody, man, you know they brought him in to replace. Okay, hell, I'll replace somebody. It's a circle. Yeah. That's what happens. But I've always, I've always, I've always really, guys, tried to be a good teammate. I've always, was I selfish early in my career? Probably when I was in, I was even a good teammate in high school and college, but I wanted to win so bad, and I thought that it was all about me. And as I got older and I realized what it took in order to win, that they needed.

16:28Shannon Sharpe:There were some other guys. There were some other me guys that was just as good as Shannon Sharp, and that could help this team win also. But I'm telling the guys, hey, you come in the huddle, you with me, you're tight end. Hey, the receivers, you know what you got? You the hot now. Hey, they bring two. We got it picked up if they bring one. But if they bring two, you're hot. You good? Yeah, I'm good. You know what you got? You got the dig. Oh, if it's covered two, get up the rail because I'm getting down the hole. I'm constantly telling guys what they got. That's just the way I am, man. I wanted to win.

17:04Shannon Sharpe:I wanted to help the guys win. I'm holding information. I know he don't know what to do. It ain't my fault. Then he go out there and blow the assignment. We throw a pick. Who did that help? We losing as a team. Oh, he lost? No, we lost. That's just the way I am. But I've always tried to be a good teammate. I've tried to be a good person. and sometimes the two things can be true. You can be a good teammate and a crappy person. You can be a crappy person and a good teammate. Hopefully, more times than not, you like to see guys a little bit, both. B-O-F-F, both. But it is what it is. That's right, though, to have the leader of your team be both.

17:46Shannon Sharpe:You probably get one. But when you got your teammates coming out saying stuff about you, bro, I mean, it says a lot about, you know, the love, respect, and admiration that they have for Mike Tomlin as well, though. Yes. You know what I mean? Yes. So I can appreciate that, bro. You know, they ain't going to just let you just say anything, though. And a part of me get – because I think the thing is that kind of like Debo is that the last year that he and Mike didn't see eye to eye and they ended up releasing him and things of that nature, Even though the Broncos didn't resign me, I never said anything bad about Mike.

18:26Shannon Sharpe:I didn't. Okay, you feel, you know, you ain't got no use for a seven-time Pro Bowl or a five-time All-Pro. You ain't got no use for him. Okay. Got to help you win two Super Bowls. You ain't got no use for him. You believe the guy that you got on the roster that you could draft somebody that's better. Okay, fine. I appreciate the opportunity. I appreciate you coming in. And this offense is very, very tight end friendly. I appreciate that. But it meant a lot for me that when I came back here and I had a conversation and even say I was wrong. Because a lot of times, Ocho, they just base everything on what they see on the field.

19:02Shannon Sharpe:They don't see the practices. They don't see the bus rides. They don't see the locker room. And they don't see what you did in those spaces that caused you to be successful on the field. That's the fun right there. So now all of a sudden, you find yourself, people in your office every day. Stuff that you never had to worry about when 8-4 was in the locker room.

19:28Shannon Sharpe:That's what it means a lot. And my teammates, they vouch for me. Yeah, they make jokes talking about Lazarus. They say ain't nobody risen from the dead more than you, but Lazarus. That's what the offensive lineman used to call me, Lazarus Ocho. Lazarus? Because I would be, look, add these wobbling ankles, man. You know back then, don't you, people hip drop you damn near every play. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. There wasn't no penalty for the hip drop and cowboy collar and all that stuff.

19:59Ernest Jones IV:Ooh. You gotta learn to roll with it. Yes, yes.

20:04Shannon Sharpe:But I don't know, in a situation like this, I don't know. If I'm Ben, I'm not responding. Just let it go, Joe. It'll die down.

20:16Ernest Jones IV:He probably... Being a quarterback, I don't think it's Ben. It's not in Ben's character probably to be confrontational, especially publicly. It says a lot about Mike Tomlin for some of the players like Joey Porter Sr. to be coming to his defense and what former players are saying. Like, y 'all got y 'all nerve. Y 'all got y 'all nerve to say anything about Mike Tomlin when he's part of the reason for your success when you were there. So sometimes as players, you forget about that because it's in the past. You've got all that a coach has done for you while you were there.

20:48Shannon Sharpe:And a part of this, I don't know if I've been would ever say anything negative about Coach Tomlin because it was Coach Tomlin that really harmed his own tenure in Pittsburgh by not getting a damn replacement because he didn't want to tick you off.

21:03Ernest Jones IV:Yeah. Funny how that works, huh? Yes!

21:11Ernest Jones IV:so

21:16Shannon Sharpe:there's a lot we could be talking about this story

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23:49Shannon Sharpe:We're going to move it on. Hey, I think we've got enough out of this.

23:57Shannon Sharpe:Ochoa, the Vikings are expected to add a veteran quarterback to the roster, and rumors are first cousins, Kirk Cousins, could be back in Minnesota. The Falcons are expected to cut Cousins before the new league year begins in March. Ocho, do you want to see Cousins back in Minnesota?

24:14Ernest Jones IV:I think it would be dope. I think it would be great for Justin Jefferson. Obviously, I had an appearance with Justin Jefferson with Lowe's in San Francisco before I got home, and the news had already broke. The rumors had already broke across the ticker on ESPN. about them, the Falcons, releasing Kirk Cousins at some point. And I asked JJ, how would you feel about that? Listen, the more people in the quarterback room, the merrier. Having that veteran presence would be good. He says he likes JJ. He's going to be JJ McCarthy out. I mean, obviously I know that because we know what Justin Jefferson was able to do with Kirk Cousins.

24:51Ernest Jones IV:We know Kirk Cousins at the helm, at that quarterback position, who already knows that offense. You know what the number's going to look like during the regular season. You know what they're going to look like.

25:00Shannon Sharpe:He might feel the love on the pro season, but J.J. going to have 115 catches, 16, 1700.

25:07Ernest Jones IV:1600, yeah, yeah, yeah, most definitely. So with him, with J.J. understanding that and really being PC with his answer to me, he was cheering for both quarterbacks. And if Kirk Cousins has the opportunity to come back, listen, more quarterbacks in the quarterback room, the better for us as a team collectively. But, I mean, I think it's cool. I think it makes the most sense. It's an offense that Kirk is familiar with. You saying he might beat J.J. McCarthy out. Let's say he doesn't beat J.J. McCarthy out. It's a good veteran presence to have in that locker room. And if J.J. starts playing bad, they won't have any problem.

25:44Ernest Jones IV:They won't have any issues, you know, making that switch and making that change at any point. If they feel they have an opportunity to contend.

25:52Shannon Sharpe:I believe that's one of the reasons they moved on from Darnold. They knew Darnold would beat him out. Ocho, if I bring a veteran in Ocho, if I bring a veteran in I got to bring one that can't win the job If I bring a veteran in Ocho, and he good

26:13Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, I didn't like this signing from Atlanta from day one You didn't? No, and I said it I said Ocho They need a security blanket I'm saying for Atlanta Oh, what they had to sign him for coming off that injury. I said, the best you could possibly hope for. You hoping that the man gives you two years, but what if he only gives you one? And then you go draft a quarterback that high, you drafted a quarterback that already had multiple injuries. It didn't make a whole lot of sense. And Matt Ryan, he was noncommittal to Pennix Jr. Like, you know, hey, we know I see him up there all the time. I'm in the building often, and I know he's working hard.

27:04Shannon Sharpe:That wasn't no commitment. I didn't know yet he's our quarterback.

27:07Ernest Jones IV:But you also have to understand, Matt Ryan knows what you need. Matt Ryan knows what you need. He's an evaluator of talent. He knows what it's supposed to look like, and he knows what you need to get over the hump. Obviously not winning a Super Bowl, but going 2-1. Well, he had a 23 lead. all they had to do was run the football run the ball yeah that wasn't his fault it wasn't much he could do in that situation he wouldn't call the plays

27:33Shannon Sharpe:if I got a 28-3 lead there is no way in hell the team that has three have more rush attempts in the second half than me let that sink in the team that's losing 28-3 got more rush attempts than the team winning 28-3 make it make sense That's crazy. But I tell you what, who didn't make that mistake? Clint Kubiak can't make that mistake, did he? I don't give a damn. Hey, I understand. Hey, K-9, I'm sorry you lost three yards, but we're going to hand it to you again. And get that three back in some. Because I've got to – because that's time. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. Because you throw it incomplete, it stops the clock.

28:15Yeah.

28:16Shannon Sharpe:If I run the ball, if I get one first down, Ocho, I'm going to take damn near three minutes off the clock with one first down. Don't let me get two or three. And that's all they needed to do. But, hey, that happened many, many years ago.

28:33Shannon Sharpe:But, yeah, I definitely think the Vikings are kicking themselves. They saw Sam Darnold. Now, that's not to say Sam Darnold would have led them. I'm not saying that. But Sam Darnold was better than what you had. I believe you make the playoffs with Sam Darnold. And now with that, you take Sam Darnold away from the Seahawks. Now they've got to go in a different direction. Yeah, absolutely. So not only do I build myself up, Ocho, I weaken an opponent. Because at the end of the day, isn't that what I'm trying to do? Yes, I'm trying to win. It's like I'm in court. Yes, I'm trying to make a very compelling argument from my client.

29:13Shannon Sharpe:But I'm also trying to punch holes in the prosecution or the defense. Right. So if I can do two things, I'm cool. I got it. Yeah. You don't.

29:24Ernest Jones IV:Mm-hmm. You know what? I think, I'm not saying they would have won the Super Bowl, but I think offensively that defense over there in Minnesota was good enough, especially with Brian Flores calling that defense. He didn't have the Legion of Boom. He didn't have the dark side similar to that of the Seattle Seahawks and the defense they have. But the pieces that he did have, he always put them in the right place. Yeah, but they could get after the quarterback.

29:51Shannon Sharpe:No, they weren't as formidable as the Seahawks, but with a different quarterback. Now maybe they're playing more. I mean, you think about it. Sam Darnold tied for the league in interceptions. I mean, for turnovers. So imagine if they didn't have to defend as much as they had to defend. Had to, yeah. You saw them yesterday. You saw them in the postseason. I think they're the first team in postseason history to go the entire postseason, a minimum of three games, and not turn the ball over.

30:21Ernest Jones IV:Hey, and that was the issue. That's all we wanted to know, though. Can he do it? Can he keep the ball out of the other team's hand in the postseason? That was my only concern. They will have an opportunity to win.

30:33Shannon Sharpe:They got it. Look, there are a handful of teams. I look at Houston. I look at Seattle and I look at the Broncos. They had defenses that could win you a game. All I need the offense not to do is F it up. You go back and look at Houston. What did the offense do in New England? F it up. What did the offense for the Broncos do in Denver? F it up. Seattle's offense didn't monk it up for the defense. And they're the world champs for a reason. Yeah. And that's what you have. That's complimentary football. They didn't put the ball on the ground. They didn't give, they didn't give, put their defense in harm's way.

31:14Shannon Sharpe:Ocho giving them short fields. They didn't give scooping scores, pick sixes. And, okay, good luck driving the ball 75, 80 yards on this defense. You might get one, but if you think you about to make a living, going 12, 13 plays, taking seven, eight minutes off the clock, okay. Let me know how that'll work out for you at the end of the game. Not happening. Not against that defense. No, it's not. But I can see Cousins going back. I don't know where he's going to live. I mean, I'm assuming he's from Michigan. He went to Michigan State, so I'm assuming he's from somewhere, Michigan, the Midwest. He seems more of a Minnesota, Michigan type of guy as opposed to an Atlanta type of a guy.

32:04Shannon Sharpe:But I understand Minnesota moving on because he tore his Achilles, I can't give you I mean Atlanta basically gave him$50 million coming off of the tour a guy that's non-mobile that's coming off an Achilles injury

32:19Ernest Jones IV:no hey hold on and now he's a year removed from that another year removed from that so he'll be that much better

32:28Shannon Sharpe:he's familiar he spent what three four years in that system with Kevin O 'Connell so he knows it you know just unlearn The two years that he was in Atlanta and learned that, that won't take long. Because I remember when I went to Baltimore, having to learn a new system. When I got back to Denver, Ocho, in like two or three days, I was good. I was absolutely good. But Minnesota, they can use a veteran. You said it. Use a veteran presence. But at the end of the day, J.J. McCarthy is going to have to become something, Ocho. Because you gave him a guy. Yeah, you got to. It's not like, Ocho, he got$4 million in incentives.

33:07Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, you could have tied. Minnesota could have gave those same incentives. You could have gave them those same incentives. If Sam Darnold is 33, maybe I could get him. Sam Darnold probably only like 26, 27. Yeah.

33:25Ernest Jones IV:I didn't think they didn't want to keep him on because they knew he wasn't going to beat Sam out. It wasn't going to make no sense. It wasn't going to make no sense, especially him coming off the season he just had, no, let's go ahead and get rid of him. Let's go ahead and get rid of him. Let J.J. McCarthy take the ham. Without somebody looking over his shoulder. He was an ace pick in the draft. You ain't going to be looking over your shoulder? You can't do that.

33:47Shannon Sharpe:Because what you call him, Sam Darnold's going to be in front of you. You look over your shoulder with something behind you, Sam's going to be in front. That man won 14 games, don't you? Hell, I think he went to the Pro Bowl last year. Sam's 28. So, how old's J.J. McCarthy? J.J. McCarthy probably 24.

34:11Shannon Sharpe:So, we'll see how this thing plays out. Hey, this is what the offseason's for. There's going to be a lot of moving and shaking, Ocho. I think we're going to have a season where a lot of turnover. Yeah. J.J. is 23. Damn, that's it? You know, he came out early.

34:30Ernest Jones IV:Oh, that's right. Golly. He's going into his third year, right? Going into his third year.

34:41Shannon Sharpe:That's crazy. Yeah. I mean, if you don't redshirt, yeah, you're going to come out at 21, 22. Because I didn't redshirt, so I got drafted at 21, turned 22 in June. If you redshirt, you're going to probably be 23. Now, if you redshirt and still come out, or you know what I'm saying, sometimes you redshirt and come out as a sophomore. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. So we'll see how that plays out for them. But the Minnesota, boy, they blew that one.

35:17Shannon Sharpe:Adam Schefter reports that the Dolphins and Cardinals are both looking to trade Tua and Kyler Murray. Murray counts 52.7 against the cap. Tua carries a$56.3 million cap hit. Ocho, if you had one quarterback to bet on having a career bounce back, similar to Sam Darnold, you taking Tua or you taking Kyler?

35:39Ernest Jones IV:Ooh, that's a good one. Honestly, as far as having a bounce back, similar to that of Sam Darnold.

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38:25that's not possible yeah what team you put them on I mean the team you would have to put them on

38:31Ernest Jones IV:you'd have to move the current quarterback who's already who's already a top top quarterback at his position and the team he's already on I mean there are no scenarios that are no situations where Kyler Tua can go to a team that has a phenomenal defense where good pieces will have something similar to that of JSN or a Cooper Cup and have a Kenneth Walker in the goddamn backfield that you can just plug yourself in and all you have to do is play good football at the quarterback position, don't turn the ball over, let your defense do the job. There are no scenarios. There are no hypotheticals you can make up.

39:03Ernest Jones IV:Because all the good teams that are on the verge already have a starting quarterback. There's really nowhere they can go.

39:12Shannon Sharpe:Man, I'm trying to...

39:13Ernest Jones IV:I'm just being honest.

39:14Shannon Sharpe:I'm trying to figure out where you could put them. The Jets?

39:20Ernest Jones IV:I mean I can see Kyle going to the Jets I can see that but you're still back in the same position I know

39:27Shannon Sharpe:I'm just trying Atlanta who

39:32Ernest Jones IV:either one of them nah you already have one left handed quarterback you don't need a second you already have one that's mobile you already have one somewhat a little bit he's more mobile than Tua

39:47Shannon Sharpe:Is he more mobile than Kyler? Absolutely not. You like Kyler in Atlanta? Okay. Oh, Joe, I mean, when you survey the market, there's not a whole lot of places they can go.

40:01Ernest Jones IV:No, it's not. I mean, I understand that. And I'm trying to say it in the nicest way possible where they can actually flourish and kind of elevate a team. There are no situations like that. There's not. There aren't any. Maybe they can do a team swap. You know, Miami, I mean, Tua goes from Miami to Arizona.

40:20Shannon Sharpe:I don't think Arizona will want Tua. Maybe the Steelers. What do you mean? If Aaron Rodgers don't come back, but it seems like they don't know what he's going to do. Mike McCarthy, he's very familiar with Mike McCarthy. He's coming back.

40:34Ernest Jones IV:You know, Aaron Rodgers is going to draw it out. He's going to keep the eyes on him. He's going to keep the attention on him as long as he can. He's going to have to go to OTAs. Yeah, that too. If he didn't want to go, he doesn't have to go. But, yeah, he'll be back. Obviously, McCarthy and him have a situation. They played together. They've had success together. And I'm sure he's probably going to come back wanting to play for a coach that he's familiar with.

40:59Shannon Sharpe:I'm thinking, man. I'm trying to wrap my head. I mean, they can't go nowhere in the AFC West because it seems like the Raiders are going to take Mendoza.

41:12Ernest Jones IV:Hermando. Herbert is in the charges.

41:14Shannon Sharpe:Bo Nix and Patrick Mahomes. So that's a no-go. Let's go see the AFC East. You got the Jets. They're not going to Buffalo. They're not going to the Patriots. So, and Miami is trying to get rid of one. Now, like you said, maybe Kyler comes there. Okay, let's go to the AFC South. Jacksonville, no. Houston, no. Tennessee, no. Indy, no. AFC North. Cleveland no Cincinnati come on now Baltimore Pittsburgh

41:56ah

41:58Ernest Jones IV:now that's a toss up Aaron Rodgers coming back for a year you sit behind Aaron Rodgers

42:04Shannon Sharpe:man you ain't paying nobody no 50 something million dollars to sit on no damn bench

42:11I mean

42:12Ernest Jones IV:Hey It's not looking good It's not When you break it down that way I didn't even have to break it down the way you did I just understood there are no Opportunities To be able to go anywhere else And have that fairytale ending That Sam Donald Chicago's a no, Detroit's a no

42:33Shannon Sharpe:Green Bay's a no Minnesota's probably a no Dallas is a no The Giants is a no Washington is a no the Eagles are a no let's go to the south Tampa is a no Atlanta let's say hypothetically Atlanta Carolina no

42:57Ernest Jones IV:New Orleans no I think they think Tyler Shook is the answer for the long term

43:05Shannon Sharpe:exactly so you go to NFC West Seattle no San Fran no Rams no and Arizona so when you really look at it don't you know there's only a handful of places yeah

43:23Ernest Jones IV:it ain't even a handful okay maybe two or three that's it you know and those are the teams you don't want to go to because you're right back in the same situation you just left that's bad it's tough and for the teams that are left, you have to be that much better to be able to make a difference. Yes. You have to be that much better at the quarterback position to move the needle for that team. You need the quarterbacks right now that are free, that are on the move, need teams that can elevate their level of play. They're not going to do it anywhere else.

43:57Shannon Sharpe:I'm trying to figure out, Ocho, how did... I don't know how Kyler fell off so quick. You know something I don't know?

44:08Ernest Jones IV:injury, Unky got hurt. That's it. He got hurt. He got hurt, that knee, you know. I mean, that's an important part of what he does, you know, being able to move, being able to get himself out the pocket, being able to extend plays, create plays, and play off script. It's not like he can sit back there and go from under center and drop back and see over everybody. He has to move and he has to be rolled out. I mean, yeah. You know, he has to have a specific game plan offensively to use, you know, to play to his strengths.

44:44Shannon Sharpe:It's just hard for you to win a game like his style of play. You've got to learn to throw the football from the pocket. Yeah. Ocho, I wish I could tell you. Go back and look at the quarterbacks. Study the quarterbacks.

45:04Ernest Jones IV:I haven't watched enough film on him, man. You would know better than I have. I don't get to see Arizona. Like you said, he's small. Yeah.

45:13Shannon Sharpe:Height, stature. Yes. You're talking about a guy, what, 5 '9"? 5 '10"? Ish? If that.

45:27Yeah.

45:29Shannon Sharpe:Baker Mayfield. I think Baker's about 6'. okay the problem the problem Ocho is that he's gonna have to escape you know what he's gonna have to escape what was written into his contract oh gaming yep it's hard to overcome that I gotta write I gotta write into Ocho's contract you gonna work on your routes Ocho you're going to study at least 10 hours a week away from the facility. And then your agent allowed them to put that into the contract and you sign it. Right.

46:20Shannon Sharpe:How they didn't think that was going to get out?

46:25Ernest Jones IV:You know, they're going to snitch on you. The house, as I call it, the house is going to snitch on you every time. Every time. He died in your mouth, Ocho. Every time. A source.

46:43Shannon Sharpe:But he said it. He likes gaming. You know, when he's away from football, this thing got to be awkward. If you play that position. Now, maybe a wide receiver, maybe some other position. Yeah. But if you play that position, it's all encompassing. Yeah. It's all encompassing. It's just the way it is. So I know that whatever that man do in his free time, okay. right okay he can do whatever he want to do in his free time okay as long as that free time involves studying how good it comes down to this how great do you want to be yeah

47:20Ernest Jones IV:you got to be able to do something outside of that I think we had a conversation

47:26Shannon Sharpe:so what was he doing

47:28Ernest Jones IV:outside of it more than studying

47:29Shannon Sharpe:what was he doing Yeah.

47:33Ernest Jones IV:I'm assuming on the game. They felt he was on the game more than he was studying.

47:37Shannon Sharpe:Before they caught on, you know those tablets. Teams could see actually how much you studied. Yeah, how much time. They just caught on recently. So everybody going home, taking the tablet home, they didn't realize that the teams could see how you cut it on and when you cut it off. Actually, how much time. It took them a while.

47:58Ernest Jones IV:Yeah. You know what? You know what would have cured that? Whether he opened that tablet or not, whether he played games or not, if you're winning. If you're not studying, you're not winning. Winning cures all.

48:11Shannon Sharpe:If you're not studying at that position, you're not winning. Yeah. Oh, that all depends on how great you are. I don't give a damn how great you are. Not at that position because the defenses are too complex, Ocho. What did Pat Mahomes say? What did he say? After his first Super Bowl. he said he didn't really know what he was doing he was studying his ass off he just didn't know

48:34Ernest Jones IV:what he was doing i mean study studying your ass off and still not knowing the answers and having success is is damn that damn so you so in other words you saying patrick mahone so you saying patrick mahone was doing what what uh uh kyle was doing no what i just said that what i just said was is winning cures all he won he won not knowing what he was doing that's how great he is kyler murray's not goddamn patrick mahomes therefore you put all those claws in there you think pat mahomes plays video games probably so i'm not so sure tom brady paid manning but how

49:09Shannon Sharpe:much because the question is it's not whether he's playing how much time is he devoting to that as opposed to devoted to his craft.

49:18Ernest Jones IV:As opposed to craft. Everybody has stuff that they do outside. Yeah, Tom don't play no damn video games and Manny don't play no video games. I know, I just said that. Yeah, I could tell you that. No, they do not. Nah.

49:33Shannon Sharpe:How great do you want to be, man? See, a lot of people, a lot of people say they want to be great. Everybody wants success until it's time to do things that cause you to be successful. Everybody wants to be great until it's time to do things in order for you to be great. Like sacrifice. The number one key to greatness is sacrifice because you must be willing to give up something.

49:56Ernest Jones IV:Something, yeah. And after you give that up, you have to have the discipline to follow through consistently. Well, discipline is actually

50:10Shannon Sharpe:even if you sacrifice, you have to have the discipline to follow through with it. Yeah. Because see, even when I sacrifice something, Ocho, do I have the discipline to go out there and train? Yeah. Do I have that? And I think the thing is, look, a lot of times, Ocho, the biggest thing is what I've seen from my time, and you let me know what you think. I see guys that come in that's immensely talented, and they got away with such certain things in college, and they think they can come to the NFL and still do certain things.

50:43Ernest Jones IV:Doesn't work that way. The guys are too good, man. You'll get exposed. You'll get exposed in the NFL because the margin of error is so small because everyone else is just as good as you. Everyone else is just as good as you. And it's the small, the small things that differentiate between you and the next person.

51:06Shannon Sharpe:You hear a spoon?

51:07Ernest Jones IV:One little niche.

51:08Shannon Sharpe:You hear Spoon saying, well, we got a tail on the guards and tackles of how they sit. And so we knew if we did. Think about it. He said there was a tail. They didn't even know they were doing it.

51:23Yeah.

51:25Shannon Sharpe:They didn't even know they were doing it on Joe. Right. So that's how small. They're looking for any little. I mean, this. Yeah. This. The games are decided like that. That's why a lot of times defensive linemen like to listen to the TV copy because they want to hear the quarterback's voice inflection. They want to get his cadence.

51:52Shannon Sharpe:Zoom in on the center's hand. Let me see if he's squeezing the ball. Let me see. Let me see how he's setting. Is it a run or a pass? Let me see what this receiver's doing. Left leg up, right leg up. Every time his right leg up, he running that bang. Yeah. He don't even know. He don't think we know. But when that leg go up. I told you what AG. Jump it.

52:17Ernest Jones IV:Yeah, I told you what AG told me. Aaron Glenn told me, hey, Ocho, every time you come out the huddle, I know it's a run play because you come out to the huddle, relax and do nothing. Every time it's a pass play. You fix your gloves. You fix your glove. You tighten them up. You take the strap across and you tighten them up. I say, AJ, AG, I say, AG, how the hell you paying attention to all that? Man, I'm looking for any and everything, boy. As a veteran, I look for any and everything. And he told me after the game. Yeah.

52:50Shannon Sharpe:Anything. I'm looking at how you stagger your stance. It's going to tell me if you come in on a blitz or you drop in the coverage. Mm-hmm. You square, okay. You're going to try to set the edge. you trying to get i mean yes ocho we know we need to know coverage okay did we come out here we're in a base formation 21 personnel two wide receivers tied in two backs oh come out we come out 11 personnel we come out 12 personnel 13 personnel we come out empty okay i understand certain formations ocho on first down this is the coverage they like to give well second down this is the coverages I like to give.

53:27Shannon Sharpe:Okay, second and short, second and long, third and short, third and long. I want to know the coverages, but I also need to know what this mofo gonna do. How does he get the said coverage? Right. It's the little stuff. He who hesitated is beat. Bless him. Thank you. You ain't want to do this? I said I chew. and then you gonna go

53:56Ernest Jones IV:shake somebody's hand too

53:57Shannon Sharpe:Lord have mercy

53:59Ernest Jones IV:it's 11 o 'clock at night matter of fact it's 11 11 chat wish yourself some type of luck of whatever it is people do at 11 11 but I'm home I'm home by myself ain't nobody gonna shake nobody's hand

54:12Shannon Sharpe:tomorrow you will

54:13Ernest Jones IV:I sneeze

54:13Shannon Sharpe:and you know

54:14Ernest Jones IV:you don't like the shower hey listen I take a good I take a good shower once a week that's all I need I don't have nobody in the press I'm not running up my water bill when I'm not going nowhere. I'm not doing that. I love my water bill to be under$50 a month.

54:30Shannon Sharpe:I take a shower to go to the gym.

54:33Ernest Jones IV:See, come on, man.

54:37Shannon Sharpe:I mean, what you doing? Man, I take a shower to go to the gym, man. I brush my teeth to walk the dog. I get up early in the morning. I brush my teeth to walk the dog. You brush your teeth to walk the dog? Ocho, what if I see somebody and what if somebody walk the dog? That makes absolutely no sense. That makes absolutely no sense. What if somebody walking their dog and they going to carry on a conversation and I'm in them people's face breast smelling like get back?

55:03Ernest Jones IV:No.

55:03Shannon Sharpe:No. You get up. Chad, y 'all leave y 'all house without brushing your teeth? Let's just say for the sake of argument. Y 'all going somewhere quick and you wake up in the morning. Chad, do y 'all brush y 'all teeth before y 'all leave the house?

55:17Ernest Jones IV:Well, you said leave the house. You said walk the dog.

55:19Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, that's leaving the house. What do you think I'm walking them in the house?

55:22Ernest Jones IV:You ain't going nowhere. Listen, I'm grabbing a leash and I'm walking my ass out the goddamn door with my phone. Now, if it's time to eat, you brush your teeth before it's time to eat. Oh, I'm going... No, you're wasting water again. You got to think and learn how to save. I brush it. Minimize when and when you don't use your water.

55:45Shannon Sharpe:I'm doing what they call intermittent fasting now, Ocho. So I don't eat before 11 o 'clock. Wait, who? And I'm eating faster. I eat my last meal at about 7. Well, I ate my last meal about 6 o 'clock tonight. Normally, I'll eat my last meal around 7, 7.30. And I won't eat again until about 11, 11.30, maybe even 12. So I walk the dog. I brush my teeth. I walk the dog. I come back. I lay back down for about an hour. I get up. I brush my teeth to go get on the bike to work out. Right. I come back in. I eat breakfast. I take a shower Obviously I gotta brush my teeth Before I take a shower right Yeah

56:27Ernest Jones IV:I do mine in the shower I have everything set up in the shower

56:31Shannon Sharpe:That's nasty man

56:34Ernest Jones IV:What are you talking about Man you get in the shower Lather up You know about that dial cranberry soap No or you use body wash I use body wash I use bar soap You still use bar soap Yeah, hey, what? That Dial Cranberry Unk? I can't even find it anymore. I can't. Dial, Dial. If you happen to see this at some point, can you please? I think it's discontinued. They don't have it anymore. The Dial Cranberry Soap. I need more. Please do me that favor. Hey, Unk, now I do have body wash, right? The young lady. The young lady that cleans my house, her name is Missy Vaughn. She bought me peppermint. It comes in a clear jar.

57:13Ernest Jones IV:Like some peppermint soap. and when it touch your body, it make you feel like you're cold. Yeah. So I use it once, but I haven't used it outside of that. So I do have that body wash. Outside of that, I love my Dow Cranberry Soap and I brush my teeth while I'm in the shower.

57:29Shannon Sharpe:I ain't never did. I hate, but I used to, boy, Ocho, I ain't gonna lie. I'd be in the shower when I was in college because we had community showers in college. You know how that is, Ocho. You know, you got, I think we had one, two, three. I think we had probably like six, maybe eight showers. Man, guys start brushing their teeth, I get out the shower.

57:52Shannon Sharpe:It annoyed me. I don't know why stuff just annoyed me and stuff like that, but it just annoyed me. I'm like, bro, you brush your teeth and guys lathered up and slapping soap suds every damn way. Don't worry about it, man. I'm just going to get on out.

58:09Ernest Jones IV:Y 'all have it. Hey, one-stop shop. I'm a one-stop shop, and it's very convenient. It's convenient for me, you know, to be able to get in the shower and knock one or two or three birds out with one stone instead of having to shower, get out, dry off, brush my teeth. I mean, it's just too much.

58:27Shannon Sharpe:Everybody, I mean, yeah, I absolutely have on shower shoes. Man, guys nasty. They be peeing and Ocho be spitting all the time. Nah, man, nah.

58:37Ernest Jones IV:Everybody wears shower shoes.

58:41Shannon Sharpe:Lord have mercy

58:48Shannon Sharpe:ah I see if I come to Ochoa house I'm gonna have on shower shoes in the shower

58:54Ernest Jones IV:I would hope so I have a pair of shower shoes and I really don't have guests outside of my kids and even I make my kids wear shower shoes in their own bathrooms

59:02Shannon Sharpe:I don't wear shower shoes in my shower cause my face ain't clean No, no, no. You one of the ones that pee in the shower. I will get out the shower and pee. You peeing? Oh, Lord, have mercy. Joe, this man paused. This man peeing in the shower. Hold on. You don't pee in the shower? You got to get out?

59:27Ernest Jones IV:Unc, you tripping.

59:29Shannon Sharpe:I stay at the hotel. Stay up in the hotel that's close by.

59:32Ernest Jones IV:Unc, who the hell gets out the shower to pee? Me. What are we talking about? Me. For what? Chat, y 'all get out the shower to pee? I know, and they better not laugh. Everybody's trying to act all goddamn bougie. The water's already running. What you getting out? Aim down the drain. What are we doing?

59:53Shannon Sharpe:I'm good. Like I say, just let me know the closest hotel to you. I'm good. Ain't no hotels 20 miles, man. Ain't no damn hotel no 20 miles.

1:00:06Ernest Jones IV:Hey, 20 miles, man. I got my head by myself, man.

1:00:09Shannon Sharpe:How you a hotel 20 miles from you?

1:00:13Ernest Jones IV:Yeah, I mean, the nearest hotel is 20 miles from me. I'm doing what you, man.

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