Best of NFL News Part 1: Cowboys DONE with Trevon Diggs but are Browns done with Kevin Stefanski?

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23:48Y 'all just want to hold on to feel it, bro. I'm just telling you, I'm looking at it from a standpoint of an organization.

24:05I don't even trust the organization, especially not. Yeah, but people say, well, don't nobody care about the Raiders? How many people you think jumping up and down about the Browns? Do they care about the Browns or do they care about Shador? Let's be real. I like that.

24:25so what

24:35it don't matter what I want I own the team see if Ocho and I own the team we can put in and play whoever we wanted to kind of like what Jerry does we don't own the team I hope y 'all actually think Jimmy Haslam, Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski actually listen to us on night. Yeah.

24:56Hey, our voice is loud, man. They listen. They might not do what we say, but they hear us. Oh, they listen. I need, like I said, if I had a team, yeah, then I get to pick and choose. Be realistic. Hey, you know there's power in the tongue, huh? What? There's power in the tongue. You won the team. Bro, Ocho, the cheapest team is the Cincinnati Bengals. They're valued at$5.5 billion. So 10 % of that is$500 million. Where the hell are we coming? There's a reason why you don't see no minority. Hey, you don't know what God has planned for us. Well, I sure hope he reveal it to me real soon. It's always on his time.

25:48It's one thing. got. Ocho, I ain't interested in that. I don't really care about that, Ocho. I don't care about owning no team, being no... It'll be great. Yeah. It'll be great. Man, you know Sharp. Man, you know Ocho and Sharp. They're minority owners with the Dolphins or the Falcons or this or that. It's great to see Ward Dunn. He's a minority owner with the Falcons. Great. Love it. My brother plays in his golf tournament every year. Venus and Serena a minority owner with the Dolphins it's great but Ocho man you see you remember they was like Eli wanted to be a minority owner with the what you call him a minority is 10 % a list a billion dollars he said no what what what what player other than Michael Jordan can stand and say go get along for a billion dollars

26:50and I just think about that a billion that's what it takes 10 % of the Giants is a billion dollars who got that kind of money shoot hey I know somebody we can go to

27:03you ever been to Sinaloa Mexico no I got a home and I'm playing on going to Sinaloa Mexico I got a couple of homies they got they got Or Cali, Columbia. Yeah. You ask me, do I know anybody got a billion dollars just sitting around? Yeah, I do. I don't know if they're giving to us. I don't want it. I don't want it.

27:32Y 'all just throwing names out. Ain't nobody getting no billion dollar loan. A billion dollars. Y 'all understand a billion dollars. A billion. Would it be? Not a hundred million, a billion. Maybe people don't understand how much money that really is. It's not. They don't. Not on Beyonce. Beyonce and the billionaire club. But here's the thing. If you go get a loan for a billion dollars, how you living? Because you got a billion dollars. That's all your assets. That's not like Elon Musk worth$750 billion. $750 billion. or Larry Ellison or Brynn or Page Bezos Zuckerberg I got a question though if Elon Musk is worth that much right you know how you have your bank account apps on your phone if he was to open up one of his accounts how much do you think is sitting in there

28:32how much do I think he got liquid yeah that's yes

28:40maybe a billion dollars because what he does is that he borries against the stock that he has. If he don't pay, they just take the stock and sell it. It's a very complex game that they play and they play it very well. Yeah. And, you know, that's what people do. They borrow against what they have. Man, if you don't pay it back, they just take it and sell it. that's crazy but

29:17hell I hope Shadour goes out there and throws for 400 on y 'all on who y 'all but that offensive line that he got protecting him Jordan battle DJ Turner may we not have Demetrius Knight did you see that left tackle can you imagine if the left tackle for the Browns and the right guard for the Ravens was on the same team. He that bad? What? My thing is I'm trying to figure out how he's been able to play in the league so long and be that bad. Yeah, he terrible.

29:59Hey, you know left tackle is a very difficult position, huh? Well, he should play guard. Or center. Or right tackle. Or right guard. Ooh, that's tough, man. It's a reason why the left tackle make the most money. Yes, it is. That blind side.

30:22So, no. But we're going to win the lottery. We're just going to keep playing the lottery. We're going to let AI, chat, GPT pick our numbers. We're going to hit it. Because every time they have a lottery, Ocho, guess what? they got to miss the numbers we selected. All we got to do is be right one time. Every time they have a drawing, they got to miss the numbers that we selected. We just got to be right once.

30:49It's going to happen. Oh, yeah, for sure.

30:58I'm trying to think. What could we buy, Ocho? What can who buy? We, us. We're going to go buy up all type of real estate so we can just sit back and relax.

31:13Buy up a whole bunch of real estate. I got to make an endowment to Savannah State first. I'm making one to fam.

31:25I got to make an endowment to Savannah State.

31:30We're about to go to the Division II playoffs because we're going to get us a good old coach. We going to get us somebody with a big name. Hey. Ooh.

31:42What? I'm just trying to think. We win that kind of money, that type of lump sum.

31:51$400 million,$500 million? We've already had money and touched money, just not money that too. Yeah. Like that's different.

32:02you know I'm gonna go home have all my family get together we ain't been together since granny passed in 2011 that's one way to get them together without it being a funeral and promise them something and get them country bums nothing when they come

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36:26Available in the Reynolds Wrap Aisle at Walmart. Same thing. Schottenheimer emphasized it was not only the reason why the team chose to waive him, It was a multiple factors like performance and other elements said he truly wishes digs nothing but the best. Yeah Hey, hey, hey, um Hey Joe, listen, I understand this It's protocol their rules have to follow their standards that you set in place as a team that all players have to follow But due to the circumstances, right? I'm stay with me real quick. I'm not rich. You probably feel different about this due to the circumstances as a coach one player asking is it okay if I stay behind to see family and do whatever it is even if it's not a family emergency knowing that our season is over we not going nowhere Joe we ain't going nowhere listen I just want to stay behind me real quick with the family I'm going to be back the following day I'm going to come back the following day I mean I don't me obviously I'm on the outside looking in now i don't see no problem with it especially when okay it's not like we're preparing for the next season okay we have to we have to prepare for the following week which is the last game of the season we ain't going to the playoffs uh joe we ain't going nowhere didn't that man tell you so let me ask you a question did he fly early in the week to go see his family or did he fly on the team plane talk to me the man told you we fly we came as a team we're leaving as a team everybody kept talking about well shoddy went to wyoming shoddy did not go to wyoming from dc he flew in ass back to dallas and then got on a plane and went to wyoming yes you know what uh uh chad uh excuse me ocho and joe i like to give context uh terrell davis led the led the afc in russia in two 96 yes 97 he won the super bowl mvp in 97 he was a three-time first team all pro 2000 yards won the mvp we were playing the giants on a saturday he had an appearance for sesame street Mike, can I stay?

38:32No, you're getting on the plane. We came as a team, we're leaving as a team. He flew all the way back to Denver only to get his ass, go to bed, get up the next morning, and catch a plane back. Yeah. Now, I told you, I've been telling you since we got on this thing, Ocho, and I'm not here to beat up Trayvon Diggs. But what did I tell you? I kept telling him, I said, Ocho, you never tolerate anything in a win. You wouldn't have lost. Yes, sir. I also told you production and tolerance. Now, he said there was a lot of other reasons. You mean to tell me this is the first year that Trayvon Diggs has blown off treatment?

39:05He's been late to something? I guarantee you, I bet your doorknob to a bucket of commoner, and the doorknob is diamond, a 50-carat diamond, flawless, deep flawless, internally flawless if you want to make it. I guarantee you the season that he had 11 interceptions, and he was a first-team all pro, I bet you he was late to something. You see what happened? they were tolerating behavior when they were winning that they couldn't stomach when they were losing. Yes, sir. You see how it go, Joe? Now, I also told you, Ocho, he took chance. I said, you got to be careful because he's not a speed merchant.

39:41If you lose anything, you take those same risks. You're going to set yourself up for failure. Now, when he came back, see, you didn't notice this, Ocho. They played a cover. They motioned McConkie. They ran him up the rail. He tried to play two to one. They threw the ball over his head. Yeah. See, I see everything. But I wasn't going to say nothing. Because I don't want people to think I'm beating up. I'm just trying to provide you context. I'll give you another story. Shannon Sharp, 2002. My grandmother's in the hospital. We play Tampa on a Saturday night. I go to Coach Billick. I say, Coach Billick, my grandmother's in the hospital.

40:15I wonder if it'll be okay that if I stay overnight and then go. I had already told her, but I just wanted to make sure. I said, Coach Villa, you remember I talked to you earlier this week. I said, my grandmother's in the hospital. We're close by. If it's a problem, hey, I'll get back on the plane because I don't want anything. He said, hey, I'm glad you reminded me. But hey, go take care of your grandmother. I stayed overnight. Sunday, flew to Savannah. Stayed there. Come back Tuesday. I was in a meeting on Wednesday. Wednesday. He said, unless it's in a family emergency, Joe. Did he say that?

40:52Yeah. Yeah.

40:57A family emergency. Mike Shanahan made TD a Super Bowl MVP, a league MVP, a three-time first-team All-Pro. He had an appearance in New York. Oh, Joe, he's there. Do you know how long the flight is back to Denver? And then had to get – got him and come right back. Five long ones, yeah. It's cold right now. I'm just trying to explain something to you, Chad. I'm not trying to beat up Trayvon Diggs, but once the man told you, but I saw, I told, Joe, you weren't on this summer. I told Ocho, when Michael Parsons was laying on that table, what did I tell you, Ocho? Oh, he was going. That was it. That was it.

41:39That was it. But you know, Michael Parsons wanted, hey, at that point, Joe, Micah ain't there. At that point, body language was to let you know, I'm done. When Trayvon Diggs, obviously, another point on, You think about the situation where he chose not to get treatment on his knee in the offseason, and he chose to do it away where he was rehabbing that and decided not to do it in Dallas at the facility so they can keep track and see how far you come along. That might be part of where it all starts. It is. As far as this year is concerned. I'm not talking about that. James Slater. Go ahead, Ocho.

42:13Go ahead. Finish your point. No, but I'm just saying, Joe, I know. Now, I'm thinking about what I get with the healthy trade-off digs. I understand what you do. Joe A. Unk, I say it all the time, and I talk about the defensive backs in the NFL when it comes to them playing. Now, I like a healthy Trayvon D. because 95 % of the defensive backs in the NFL, they play football not to get beat. And you got 5%, Unk and Joe, you got 5 % that's out there to make a play. And Trayvon D. is in that 5%. I don't care what nobody say. He's in that 5%. I'm going to try to make a play. Sometimes when he tries to make that play, he gambles.

42:52I got to play, but you got to play within the scheme, Ocho. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ocho, Ocho, hey, I'm going to be late. I need you to cover for me. I can't just be late and don't tell you to cover for me. Right. So he can't play a coverage without telling the safety, hey, look, man, hey, get over the top of this because I'm going to jump it. I'm going to jump, yeah, yeah. Brian Schottenheimer is trying to change the culture. Hopefully Jerry's allowed him to do it because far too many times since Jimmy was gone, players could do something, circumvent the head coach Joe, and go straight to Jerry. Hopefully Jerry now has a wall up that says, nah, y 'all deal with shoddy.

43:29Because you got to change the culture. Now, I don't know if this is true, but there was a guy talking about, and I guess he's a day-to-day guy, I guess he'll beat right or something. And he was saying that when they were doing team stretching, he said everybody would be in their groups and they'd be stretching, so forth and so on. He said, but Parsons and Diggs were off to the side doing their own thing. He said it rubbed him the wrong way. Now, I don't know that's true. Maybe he got an ax to grind with Micah. Maybe he got an ax to grind with Trayvon. I don't know. But as Shottie said, one of the reasons that we cut him was because we told him that he was not allowed to stay, and then there were a host of other reasons.

44:08So, production intolerance. Ocho, let me ask you a question. Talk to me. Had he stayed, Joe, had he stayed, but he had six picks, Four pass breakups. A forced fumble. Are they cutting? No, sir. No, absolutely not. Okay. Actually, I got another question for you, Tuna. Let me tell you something. Joe, I know that's your team, huh? Yes, sir. You love your Dallas Cowboys. I understand that. But think about all the people, Unc. Hey, Unc, and chat. Think about all the people that have recently, that have left the Dallas Cowboys. Tell me how they done. There you go. Once they departed. I'm telling you, Joe, stay with me.

44:47Joe, I ain't trying to talk. I'm not talking about the Cowboys in general. I'm talking about the players that have been able to find love and go on to greener pastures. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everyone that seemed to produce, and maybe for Trayvon Diggs, maybe it's great that he's going to a change this evening. Not only going to a change, he's going to a team and have the chance to compete in the postseason for a change. He says he's healthy. Come on now. The Cowboys for the longest time said that he wasn't. Jerry said that he wasn't healthy. Shoddy says that he wasn't healthy. I don't, Ocho, you and I are not there.

45:23We don't see the man. He said he's healthy. I've got to take his word for it. Even though they say he's not, they are not in his body. Just like when people tell me, hey, you good? Bro, you don't know how bad this pain is. Don't tell me I'm good. Right, right. Hell, I know my pain level is the only pain in which I can handle. Again, Chad, I don't mean to be the dead horse. It's called production and tolerance. And when production is up here, tolerance is up here. Tolerance will never outweigh production. I don't give a damn who you are. You see it all the time. Well, how was he able to get it?

46:02Because he makes the company money. He produces sacks, interception, yards, touchdown. That's how. Hey, take your time now. Come on. As my coach in college told us, he said, I'm going to treat y 'all all fair. But I ain't treating you the same. Right. Hey, Unc, a little bit though, there's a way you got to do things, right? Yes. You have to learn. As a player, you have to learn to play the game within the game. Yes. I kind of see your side clear as day. I see your side clear as day. But I'm just understanding as the coach, I think because of all the issues that he's had with Trayvon in general at the with the team that we don't know about the rest of the stuff yes why he didn't grant him that reason to stay back I think I think I think it would have been different it was someone else that may have asked and you know what I'm happy I just want to see my family a little bit it's okay if I stay back and do x y z but the fact that they asked him to do things in the past and he chose not to be there the hell no I'm even and it lets you stay.

47:12You get on this flight, and if you need to go wherever you need to go, you catch it. You're what you're doing right to get back. And go all the way back where we flying from, and then we'll see you Wednesday morning. Hey, I agree with y 'all saying. I think it was time for Trayvon to get a change of scenery. I'm with you on that, Ocho, but the grass ain't always green over there, bro. Oh, it's green in Green Bay? Nah, nah. What you always say every year, you got to update your resume now. You got to update your resume. You know, we don't know what next year's going to. Ocho know he ain't the same player.

47:50Yeah, but hey, listen, sometimes when you're not the same player, you go in the right situation, the right environment, you're able to flourish. But so I'm supposed to give you the same money even though you're not the same player? I mean, we ain't going that far yet. But here's the thing, Ocho. Plus, he didn't have any more guaranteed money. So I got no more obligation. I got I ain't got to pay you no more because guess what now even now the Green Bay picked him up They got to pay that four hundred and twenty two hundred thirty thousand dollars for that last game check I ain't got nothing to do with that.

48:19You know what they're not really worried about that I know what they know they understand they understand the piece that they are getting and they gonna put the piece that They are getting based on what they see what they've seen and what they know and he can do and put him in position To be able to do the things that he's good at and I like that for young bull I mean I wish I wish it would have worked out because who doesn't want to play for Dallas uh Joe and I who don't want to have that goddamn star on the helmet but I think the situation and the relationship with the Cowboys and Trayvon Diggs is going it's going sour yeah it was headed that way Jane Slater my point was uh Joe and Ocho Jane Slater who's the insider who covers the Cowboys and she's like Mary Kay Cabot when Mary Kay Cabot speaks about the Cleveland Browns, you listen to her.

49:02When Jane Slater speaks about the Cowboys, you listen to her. And she was like, he reached out to her. But she said she can't recall where Jerry has ever fined a player for not showing up.

49:22I think she's been covering them for at least a decade. And she said she can't remember. so that should have been an indication to trayvon right that was a warning ocho yeah i don't really if i'm going to a car if i'm crossing the railroad tracks i don't really have to see the train if i see them arms go down in the red lights flash i don't even gotta see it i just know the train coming oh yes all the time that he's probably been fined i'll be all the times it's been done, Jerry probably forgave that. Because he had 11 picks. He's the first team all pro. He's gone to the Pro Bowl. So, once them arms come down, I'm coming to a railroad track, man, where the train at?

50:05Man, I can beat it. Wrong! That should have been an indication. I believe Brian Schottenheimer is trying to change the culture there. Too many times guys have been doing whatever they want to do. Nah, we're a team. That's one thing Mike preached. Nah, we're not going to come out here. We're not no all-tournament team. You're going to be dressed like you dress on Sunday. Now, if you don't wear pads on Sunday, come out to practice with no pads. But if you wear pads on Sunday, don't you bring your ass out here with no pads. So whoever don't have on pads and you wear pads on Sunday, take your ass back inside.

50:45I ain't moved because I ain't wear no pads. All I have was shoulder pads and a helmet. that's how you have to do it Ocho if you want to change the culture sometimes Joe and you know this in basketball you got to get some of your better players because they're bad apples you got to get them out of there because sometimes the some of your best players are most influential and they'll influence other guys and I don't want that hey hey I feel you but you already know what you need when it comes to winning games, right? Yeah. You know what you're going to need. You're going to need some dogs. Yeah, well, they better get some D linemen.

51:28That's what they need. They need somebody that can hunt the quarterback. That too. That too. I don't care. I don't care anything about your – I don't care who they are. Right. You better get somebody to go hunt that quarterback because without that pressure if you let him sit back there and and and just pat this ball like it's seven on seven you saw the game on sunday night you saw what they did you saw the rams and seahawks go up and down the field you've got to have somebody to put pressure on that quarterback i don't care how good your cornerback cornerbacks are they can't hold up all day they cannot let And for the production that Trayvon was giving them, they finally said, you're not worth the headache.

52:18Listen, they said there was one game left in the season and they're not going to the postseason. I mean... That, Ocho, I told you they were moving on after the season. He just fed the process up. He expedited it and you know what? I think he doesn't see no problem with that because if he saw a problem with that, if he was worried about the consequences of him staying back, He wouldn't have done it. He wouldn't have done it because they already told him no So he sped it up also we have to see man. You know what man? We ain't going no goddamn. Well, they they've been playing with me I'm telling him healthy.

52:50They not they not let me play. I was I'm a healthy guy a healthy goddamn scratch. I play today I'm asking if I can stay back. They said no, you know man Let me ask you a question Ocho You got the three years you've been that last three years. You got three touchdowns Cincinnati not going to let you do what they normally do if you had 13 touchdowns in three years. But listen, I'm witching what you're writing. I'm picking up with you. I'm witching what you're writing. I'm picking up with you. Cincinnati let you act a fool. You had 1 ,300. You had 1 ,400. You had 1 ,600. You had 90 catches. You had 85 catches.

53:28You got 55 catches. Uh-uh. Your name's Chad Johnson, and you need to act accordingly. I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you. that's how it works in the real world you ask but man such and such late such and such he might be 20 minutes late 30 minutes late but when he's here he's very productive he gets the job done you here early and be bull jibbing you at the water cooler gossiping about he late he come in late sit his ass down at his desk a cubicle and go to work guys life ain't fair You gotta stop judging and think everybody What I do, it doesn't work like that It never has and it never will Once you understand that The job life is so It's so easy Yeah, it is When it comes to basketball When it comes to football When it comes to the corporate world When it comes to any and everything Dealing with life in general it's a game within a game.

54:36And the better you learn the game, the better off you are. The better off you are. The higher you are at the top of whatever it is you're doing, the more you get to play the game your way. Yes. But if you're not up there, if you're not the big dog, if you're not the one calling the shots, you have to learn to play the game. By the way, and I think the thing is, Ocho, you mentioned that he's now in Green Bay. His best friend, Micah Parsons in Green Bay, although we know Micah towards knee ligament, and he's going to be out. But he's there with somebody familiar. We talked to the young gentleman last night, Higgins.

55:16Iowa State receiver goes in the second round, and then he goes in the third round, Jalen Noel. He goes in the third round. Familiarity, someone there that he knows. He's not going to be there by himself. But I just want him to get back to being who and what he is. He has to understand, Ocho, when you're not a speed, the thing is, when you're not a speed merchant, Ocho, and you have a knee injury, see, like Tyreek, like you said, okay, Tyreek's not going to be 4-2-5. He's going to be 4-3-8, 4-4 flat. That's still faster than 85-90 % of the NFL. Absolutely. But when you 4-5-5-4-6 and you have an injury, nah, you got to play defense, Coug.

55:57You got to play straight up. And also, not only do you have to play straight up, it's all about having a feel for the game. and understanding the game. You played DB for a very long time. You being 4 '5 and having somebody 4 '3 across from you, you understand it's all about leverage. It's all about angles. Using your hand to be able to reset yourself, reposition the line of scrimmage. It's so many different things. And I love, Uncle, you know how I feel when it comes to talk about DBs. Yeah. I love that, Joe. I love talking from a DB perspective because I play receiver. So I understand what you got to do as a DB to be able to always be able to flourish or throw into the ball.

56:33So I think even if he's not the same Trayvon Diggs of old, there are things that you can do to manipulate your game to make sure you stay on top of your shit. I think he'll still be effective, Uncle Ocho. I think he'll take some time to really get acclimated in Green Bay and really show that he can get back to being a top corner. So I'm sure you're gonna take the challenge on this for sure. After the hardest thing to do is to convince ourselves we're not what we used to be. Ooh. It's a real fine line between confidence and delusion. Come on, man. Be careful. Listen, I'm gonna say it again, Ocho.

57:21There's a real fine line between confidence and delusion. Yes, sir. How do we tell ourselves? How do we convince ourselves? Because this is what made us great. The confidence, Joe, that's what made Joe Johnson who he is. That's who made Ocho who he was, the confidence.

57:45But as we start to age, as we suffer injuries, and we're not the player that we once was, we once, excuse me, we once were, how do we handle that? That's tough.

58:04Yeah. Damn.

58:10Samus Johnson had a quote. He says, almost every man will waste a part of his life, Ocho, trying to possess characteristics he don't have to gain applause for which he cannot keep. Come on now. man. Come on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Do me a favor. Rewind that. For the people that didn't hear it so it can marinate a little bit. Y 'all listen to that real quick, man. We all and we every man will try to possess characteristics he don't have. Basically in the hopes of coming to something he's not to gain fame and applause for which he cannot I keep. Come on now. That's why I love just being myself, Joe, you know?

58:56I ain't never changed, Joe. Joe, them folk tried to give me the change so bad in the league, Joe, I couldn't do it. I didn't know anything else outside of just being myself. Joe, I ain't had no choice but to be good at what I do because I'm not conforming to what y 'all think I should. Where the fuck was y 'all when I was in elementary? This is high active. Where was y 'all when I was in high school and played and I scored. This is how I acted. Where was y 'all when I was watching the Hurricanes in the 90s and Randall Hill, Lamar Thomas and all them boys and Michael Herman scoring, they acting a fool when I'm looking at the TV telling my grandma I want to be like them.

59:34Where was y 'all? Oh, now I made it. Now you telling me I'm supposed to change. Man, I'm finna be Eric with Liberty City and Dade County. First time I get a chance. I don't care about the money you paying me, Joe. Huh? You just had to be tripped. I never change. I'm not here playing for the money. I'm going to remain authentically myself. Everything that made me me. And I'm going to keep doing it. It don't matter how much money you take from me. Joe, I play the game of football free. Because the one thing they use for us, to be able to keep us under control, and to keep us blind, Joe, they take what they think we value most, Joe.

1:00:14Yep. He's going to take his money. I value it. That's me. That's me. That's me. I ain't gonna lie. Hey, they tell me, hey, you know what I love about our tight end, the all pro? That's what I love about him. He play this game for free. Come on, man. I stood up and said, yeah, but everybody else need to play for free, too. I ain't gonna be the only mofo player for free. Just so we clear, Joe. You know what I'm saying? Joe, they use that. He play for free. You right. But I need everybody else to play for free, too. I ain't the only one gonna be playing for free. Hey, hey, Joe. And the thing is, Ocho, Mike didn't really have a problem with celebrating and all that.

1:00:45He said, long as you don't cost your team a penalty. Long as you don't cost your team a penalty. So somebody did something dirty to me, I'm going to get your ass back. I ain't going to cost you no penalty, but I'm going to get you back. I'm going to get you back. Hey, Joe, one thing about it, Joe, you know, I hate to say it in this way, in these words, right? But that's the only way to keep them niggas in line. Excuse my language, excuse my language. You know, you take the money, that's the only way. I got to take what you value. They got to check with the value. But in the mob, what they do, Ocho?

1:01:19They hit your family. Because you value that. Your mom, your wife, your kids, your mom, your grandpa. What do you value? See, in the NFL, they know you value. You work hard to get in the position. Ocho became an all pro. He became a pro bowl player so he can make money. He value money. That's why he worked his ass off. He wanted it. He wanted to be able to be in position to take care of his family. Well, let me take a little bit off it. Let me take a little bit of this off it. Let me lack this load a little bit. Yeah, it ain't work, Joe. It ain't work. It ain't work, Ocho. Hey, it ain't work. Hey, matter of fact, hey, Ocho, tell Joe about that time I tried to.

1:01:55Hey, Joe, Ocho, hey, Ocho killed me. Ocho, Ocho, you was at CBS then, huh? I was. I was, yeah. Ocho was at CBS, Joe? Let me tell you. That was before then, Ocho. You know that was before. That was before now when everybody think the game was sold. Because they really think the game sold now. Yeah, Joe. So if you were to do that now, man, They might suspend you for two games. What did you do, Ocho? So I caught the ball. He had a call, they got a call, and he tried to get official a dollar. Like to change his mind on the call. Yeah, it was a catch, you know, and I forgot, is it Billick? Who was the Ravens coach at the time?

1:02:31Brian Billick. Brian Billick threw a red challenge fag. I felt I caught the ball. So I'm thinking to myself, I'm sitting there, you know what, I'm finna just play around real quick. I had a dollar in my sock. The dollar in my sock was for a celebration. So I used the dollar as just a jokingly trying to bribe the ref when he came up outside the replay booth. And I tried to hand it to him, like, go ahead and do this call. It went call evening. Joe, they got the NFL fired me about 30 ,000 the next morning. Oh, yeah, they ain't playing. Hey, look, look. But Joe, it's moments like that, Joe. I ain't worried about that 30 ,000.

1:03:10I'm not even tripping. I'm out here having fun and entertaining. And on top of that, I'm playing at the top. I wasn't just knowing anybody, Joe. I'm acting a fool, but I'm great at what I do as far as producing is concerned. So, I mean, the Bengals ain't care because they understood week in and week out, whether it was playing home or away, there's one person we don't have to worry about. He might act a fool and have some fun, but he going to show up every after the game. Hey, Ocho. Hey, look, I wouldn't give them nothing back. You hear me? Hey, man, I ain't look. You think they got me with uniform.

1:03:50I don't know how much was it. They got me with uniform, Joe. Same. Joe. Socks. Because you know, you can't show no skin. So Joe, the guy tackled me. I'm supposed to pull my socks up. Bro, I ain't even thinking about that, man. I'm thinking about the next play. I'm thinking about beating old boy again or beating somebody else. And they fined y 'all for that? How much did they fined for you? Yeah. $5 ,000? Yeah, the first offense was$5 ,000. And that was another place where all my money went. I wore a streamer towel, Joe. You know the little Gatorade towels y 'all had? The long Gatorade towels be on the bench?

1:04:28I cut me a streamer towel and had a streamer towel hanging on the side of my hip. Mind you, they give you towels a well. Joe, I want mine long. I want mine long and pretty. So when I run, it's blowing in the wind. Joe, if you look at some pictures of me, sometimes I have an orange chin strap. Depending on what color jersey we wear, sometimes I have a black chin strap. Joe, I ain't, man. Sometimes my cleats was gold. Joe, our colors were orange or black. What I'm doing with gold? You're just doing what you want to do right there. Man, I'm doing, man. Listen, you look good, you play good. And if you play good.

1:05:00Yeah, Joe wasn't lying, Ocho. In Joe's whole career, he was only buying$6 ,000. Hey, man. That's it? I didn't give them folks nothing back. Man, hey, Oto, where I'm from? Two technical files and an ejection. When did I get ejected? I got ejected, I think it was like one time. But I'll... For real? You cussed the ref out? Yeah, it must have been something, must have been... No, no, I don't complain to the ref when I play, man. I played through all that. So if I got on to the ref, it's because it's something really happening, man, and you missed it, bro. He deserved it, hard jokes. He deserved it.

1:05:31But I ain't just out there just hollering at the ref for no reason. Nah. Mm-hmm. Remember, Ocho, you take this with you. Almost every man will waste a part of his life trying to possess qualities he does not have in an attempt to gain applause for which he cannot keep. Come on now. Come on now. Ocho, let me ask you this. Do you think he can actually help the Packers defense? The Packers have the seventh best pass defense in 2025. Was this a favor to Micah or do you believe Trayvon? Because they're kind of banged up in the secondary. Yeah. But do you believe he can actually help them? Yeah, I believe so.

1:06:07I believe so. The fact that they're seventh in pass defense, they're going to put him in positions to be able to do what he does well, whether we believe he's the same or not, and they're going to be all right. Obviously, that front four that you do have that can get home when they do play once they get into the postseason, I think Trayvon is going to be spectacular in the way they use him. And that's what matters most. It's not like, damn, our front four is not good. We can't get to the quarterback. So now we need our back end to carry us and do what they do. Joe, you've got maybe two, damn, maybe three seconds to throw the ball when you're playing against them goddamn packets, even in the absence of the microphone.

1:06:50Aaron Glenn's job with the Jets is not safe after the team's disappointing performance to end the season per Armando Salguero. Ocho, we had a conversation last night. Remember what I said, Ocho? I said, getting beat like this here? I said, I want to be looking like, damn, I don't know. I don't think I made the right decision as a head coach.

1:07:18Glenn was a very popular coach prospect in January and landed with the Jets as a nostalgic move to return the former cornerback to his old team. Cool story, but this is starting to feel like Gerard Mayo in New England last season. Glenn is not safe. Oh, Joe? That hurt, huh? That hurt. The difference is that he doesn't have a quarterback. They had Drake May. Who is the prospect, and are you going to go into the draft, get a quarterback? Because at the end of the day, I don't care who you bring in. As good as Mike, Mike Rabel in Tennessee, as long as he's getting quality quarterback play, he was doing good.

1:08:06But when he wasn't getting quality quarterback play, and I think he's a phenomenal coach, but most phenomenal coaches have quality quarterbacks. Look at the coaches that's in the Hall of Fame. Oh, yeah. Most of them, except Joe Gibbs and Bill Parcells, guess what they have? Hall of Fame quarterbacks. Every coach that's in the Hall of Fame, Other, Joe Gibbs, Bill Parcells had a Hall of Fame quarterback. So all this, you know, Eric Glenn, look, the last couple of games, he hadn't looked well. He didn't look good. Yesterday, and look, having talked to owners and been around this thing for a long time, that's the last thing you don't want to look at.

1:08:56Not like that, Joe Joe. Not like this. Because it looks like the team, and I'm not saying they did, because it's hard for me to conjure up saying it, but it looked like they mailed it in. 35-3, Ocho, at the half. Quarterback threw five touchdowns. He had two incomplete passes. You got to go back a long time, 40, 50 years, to have somebody complete that many passes. Be that efficient?

1:09:27That sucks. One year? Oh, we going to give you one? See what you can do on a team that was already bad before you got here? That sucks. They did love it like that. Remember the old Houston Texans coach? They did him like that. They did Steve Wills like that in Arizona. He had a bad quarterback. They lost. And guess what? They ended up drafting Kyler Murray and brought a new quarterback. They brought Cliff Kingsbury into coaching. So this is an uncharted territory. I would. it's not uncharted territory, but I wish owners would understand, you know, it take time. It takes time. Unless your timing is right and you get lucky.

1:10:12And you get lucky first. You ain't getting lucky unless you got a quarterback. You got to have a competent quarterback and be able to build around that. You do. You absolutely do. I'm not going to, I'm not going to lie to you about that. You absolutely do. I think he needs at least another year. Ocho, you took his two best players on the defensive side of the football, and then you wonder why they're struggling. They thought they had the guy with Justin Fields. He's not it. And maybe he needs to go somewhere else. Maybe he's a Sam Darnold situation. We saw Sam Darnold with the Jets. We saw Sam Darnold in Carolina.

1:10:50We also saw Sam Darnold as a backup at San Fran. He looked okay. And then he got the job in Minnesota. Now, he's still a turnover machine. Let's not lose sight of that, Ocho. He is a turnover machine. Yeah, he'll let it go. But he looked better in Minnesota and in Seattle than he ever looked at the other previous stops. So maybe Justin Fields needs to go somewhere else. But I just – What quarterback has looked good with the Jets? I'm not – I'm just curious. Pennington. Chad Finnington. We got to go back 22 decades. Damn.

1:11:36But. All right, we'll get you out of here on this. It's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A.

1:11:51Hey, um. You hear me? Yeah. Hey, what do you call a guy with a rubber toe? What do you call a guy with a rubber toe?

1:12:18A rubber toe.

1:12:24I don't know what you call him Roberto

1:12:35Lord have mercy Kipper Dogwood Jr. said I enjoyed watching the Elway documentary today thank you man appreciate that like I said I had an opportunity to sit down with with Seven on last week, and it's coming out Wednesday. So I'm extremely excited about that. It's been a while since I actually got an opportunity to see him. But he was in good spirits. It's good to see him. It was also good to get back. And I didn't really see anybody because we were at the stadium. They were practicing because they had the Christmas Day game, Mocho. So originally we were scheduled to shoot at the facility, but they moved it, went up going to the stadium, which was great.

1:13:15So I appreciate the Broncos letting us have the facility to shoot this. So appreciate it. The Sean Show. Unc Ocho, if y 'all were on the 0-16 Lions or Browns, could y 'all have gotten them a win? No. Absolutely not because quarterback play was that bad. It's hard to overcome bad quarterback play.

1:13:44counselor at large not a gang bang bang faithful baby y 'all look good moonlight right Derrick Henry for MVP where would the Ravens be without him bro for a running back to get that MVP he's gonna have to break Edie's record and LT's touchdown record that means he'll have to have what 2 ,000-something yards, 32 touchdowns. Over 2 ,100 and 32 touchdowns.

1:14:18And then pray somebody done break Peyton Manning's record that same year. Trey Newsome 68, how long does it take for NFL road teams to leave the stadium after the game? Ocho, do you have a joke for us tonight? Ocho, tell you a joke. Normally, they try to leave. once the game ends, they try to be after the game and on their way from the stadium one hour after the game.

1:14:50One hour.

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1:15:25nah

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1:15:49Shoot.

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