In short
The episode is a “Best of NFL News Part 1” roundup focused on three main stories: (1) Joe Flacco being traded to the Cincinnati Bengals, (2) Cleveland’s quarterback situation and media attention, and (3) Kansas City’s Chris Jones criticism after a low-effort moment.
Guests/backgrounds
The transcript is a sports talk show featuring “Ocho” (Chad Johnson) and “your favorite sports thunk” host (Mange Shachikular is mentioned only as a different podcast ad). No formal guest bios are provided beyond Ocho’s identity as a former NFL player and commentator.
Key claims
- Bengals made the Flacco trade because Jake Browning wasn’t “holding up” as Burrow’s backup; Bengals are 2-3 and need a veteran to “steer the ship.”
- Flacco is a non-mobile, drop-back “70s/80s” style QB with a strong arm; success depends on the offensive line.
- Chris Jones faced backlash for not giving maximum effort on a Jaguars game-winning TD; he called it a “teaching point” and said social media wasn’t deactivated to avoid criticism.
Notable examples
- The trade details: Bengals send a 2026 fifth-round pick for Flacco plus a 2026 sixth-round pick from Cleveland.
- Comparisons to rare intra-division QB trades (Patriots/Bills: Drew Bledsoe; Eagles/Commanders: Donovan McNabb).
- Jaguars-Browns and other midseason trade chatter appears, plus Travis Hunter usage discussion (but the core “news” emphasis remains Flacco/Jones).
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOJoe Flacco's Trade to Bengals
0:00 to 0:24
Discussion on the trade of Joe Flacco to the Cincinnati Bengals.
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Joe Flacco's Trade to Bengals
1:00 to 1:52
Discussion on the trade of Joe Flacco to the Cincinnati Bengals.
“I'm Mange Shachikular and I'm back with a new season of my podcast, Skyline Drive.”
Analyzing the Bengals' Quarterback Situation
1:52 to 4:24
Deep dive into the implications of Flacco's arrival for the Bengals and Jake Browning's performance.
“Bengals head coach Zach Taylor announced Cincinnati successfully completed a rare intra-division trade Tuesday.”
Expectations and Pressures on Quarterbacks
4:24 to 8:06
Exploring the expectations placed on quarterbacks and their impact on performance.
“in the offensive struggles over the last few weeks.”
Keeping the Team Afloat: The Role of a Backup
8:06 to 13:31
Discussing the role of backup quarterbacks and the necessity to maintain team performance.
“I can tell, looking at the chat, that there are not a lot of leaders out there because they're looking to obfuscate blame.”
Discussion on NFL Teams Performance
14:00 to 17:38
Analyzing the current performance and standings of NFL teams.
“Well, if we don't understand the full context in which our nation was founded, we won't understand the full context in which our nation now finds itself.”
Flacco's Trade Impact on the Bengals
17:49 to 28:01
Discussing Joe Flacco's trade to the Bengals and its implications.
“You got the AFC South, you got the Jags, and you got the Colts.”
Discussion on Jafar Jackson's Acting Skills
28:01 to 30:07
The conversation touches on Jafar Jackson's potential Oscar nomination for his portrayal of Michael Jackson.
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Cleveland Browns Quarterback Controversy
30:12 to 36:21
A lively discussion about the quarterback situation in Cleveland, including comments on coaching decisions and media interactions.
“You wake up, maybe hit snooze, and then scroll on your phone for a while, checking your emails, all before even giving yourself the chance to really open your eyes and breathe.”
Jaguars and Browns Trade Analysis
36:21 to 42:05
An analysis of the recent trade between the Jaguars and Browns, focusing on player skills and team strategies.
“So, my only thing is, okay, so why do you continuously ask a backup that's not playing?”
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Sports Passion and International Break
42:05 to 42:54
The hosts discuss their love for sports, particularly soccer, and how travel affects their viewing habits.
“That woman shot putter, the USSR, ain't nobody breaking that one.”
Travis Hunter's Impact on Offense and Defense
42:55 to 44:18
The conversation shifts to Travis Hunter's abilities and the importance of maximizing his talents for both offense and defense.
“I'm curious what they're going to do because they have a phenomenal nickel in Jordan Lewis, right?”
Training Insights for Young Athletes
44:19 to 45:49
Ocho emphasizes the need for Travis Hunter to improve his route running and offers to help coach him in the offseason.
“He has to be dynamic on one or the other.”
Chris Jones' Performance and Accountability
45:50 to 47:42
The hosts analyze Chris Jones' recent performance and the implications of his efforts during critical moments in a game.
“I wish they would come up there and play press.”
Social Media's Impact on Athletes
47:43 to 49:23
Discussion on how social media has changed the landscape for athletes, leading to increased scrutiny and criticism.
“I mean, listen, you think about how many are 65 snaps.”
The Evolving Media Landscape
49:24 to 50:55
The hosts reflect on the changes in media reporting and how athletes are scrutinized more than ever before.
“And sometimes you got to take the jokes for for what they are and you have to laugh at yourself and pick yourself up, touch yourself off and just go again.”
Life Under Public Scrutiny
50:56 to 52:40
They discuss the challenges of living in the public eye, especially for high-profile athletes like Michael Jordan.
“The funny thing, knowing Jordan and how he was, his mannerisms, his persona in general, man, he wouldn't give to you know what.”
The Price of Fame and Wealth
52:41 to 54:00
The conversation dives into how fame and wealth change one's lifestyle and relationships with others.
“Oh, you're talking about the money wise.”
Navigating Wealth and Public Attention
54:01 to 56:01
The hosts discuss the implications of wealth on personal freedom and the need for security among the rich.
“He know damn well I'm going to be at every soccer game I can get to.”
The Challenges of Wealth and Fame
56:01 to 58:35
Exploring the scrutiny and jealousy faced by wealthy athletes.
“So tell me what you think I'm not going to do.”
The Evolving Landscape of Privacy
58:36 to 1:00:05
A discussion on how technology impacts personal privacy for athletes.
“wanted to tell you business, where were they going?”
NFL Quarterback Rankings Discussion
1:00:06 to 1:02:36
Analyzing the latest NFL quarterback rankings and player performances.
“Ocho, after five weeks, Sports Illustrated has dropped their NFL quarterback ranking.”
Evaluating Baker Mayfield's Performance
1:02:37 to 1:04:56
Debating Baker Mayfield's place among top quarterbacks based on recent performance.
“So I want to be the first to say I apologize and I was wrong.”
Transcript
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1:00I'm Mange Shachikular and I'm back with a new season of my podcast, Skyline Drive. This time I talk to scientists, biopunks, curmudgeons, blues owners, super seniors,
1:09Shannon Sharpe:and Goa's top cryotherapy lab to try to understand this obsession with living forever and what it means for all of us. And I get into a bit of trouble along the way. I'd say probably start bone smashing. That doesn't work. Make it look more defined. They say it works. I don't know. Listen to Skyline Drive, How to Live Forever on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, it's your favorite sports thunk here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you. So please subscribe or you're going to make Ocho cry.
1:48Shannon Sharpe:Joe Flacco! Yeah! He'll start ahead. But not for the Cleveland Browns, for your Cincinnati Bengals. He will start Sunday at Green Bay. Bengals head coach Zach Taylor announced Cincinnati successfully completed a rare intra-division trade Tuesday. They sent a 2026 fifth-round draft pick to the Browns in exchange for Flacco and a 2026 sixth-round draft pick. This is how rare it's been. I think in this century, only twice has it happened. The New England Patriots traded Drew Bledsoe to the Buffalo Bills. The Philadelphia Eagles traded Donovan McNabb to the Washington. They were not the commanders at the time.
2:28Shannon Sharpe:you know what they were but he got traded intra-division so only three times as a quarterback that i can think of a a trade like this going down uh jake brown uh harris ocho here's jake browning who you said was gonna lead y 'all to where y 'all needed to go on his demotion yeah
2:56Okay.
2:57Shannon Sharpe:Let's run down. Let's run down what happened. Joe Flacco was traded. Ocho's guy wasn't being able to, Jake Browning, was not being able to hold up to it because what was supposed to happen, your backup is supposed to be able to keep you afloat until your starter comes back. That's what a backup is supposed to do. That didn't happen. So the Cincinnati Bengals like, look, we've got a lot of money invested in Chase and Higgins, and we gave 14 more million dollars to a Trey Hendrickson. So we need to try to maximize this. We can't just give up on the season because our quarterback is not fulfilling his obligation, which is to keep us afloat to if and when Joe, excuse me, Joe Burrow came back.
3:39Shannon Sharpe:Doesn't look like that was happening, and so they made the move. So Cleveland sent Joe Flacco and the 2026 sixth-round draft pick and returned the Bengals send them a 2026 fifth-round draft pick. We got it loaded now?
4:02Shannon Sharpe:We're getting it right for you guys right now, how Jake Browning is taking his demotion from being the starter to now be in the backup in Cincinnati. Are you impressed? You know, trying to respond the right way. Obviously, I'm pissed. And if I wasn't pissed, then I shouldn't be in this locker room. And it's important to me. And, you know, I'm aware of the role I played in the offensive struggles over the last few weeks. And, you know, but I'm also not shouldering the entire situation. And, you know, I went through yesterday, watched my throws, tried to come up with some stuff that I want to work on and just doing that.
4:43Shannon Sharpe:Okay. The thing a quarterback's supposed to do is say, look, it's on me. I did not play. Don't say I'm not going to shoulder all of the blame. We know all the blame is not on you. But in that moment when you're in front of the camera as the leader of that offense, you say, look, that's on me. I didn't play well enough to get the job done. So I understand why the Bengals made that decision. if and when my time comes back up i'll be more prepared and i promise you bingos fans this organization my teammates i won't let you down take off ojo i mean listen obviously most of the time in that situation as a quarterback being the face being that joe burrow is absent you have to take on this you have to take all that on your shoulder because you are the quarterback because much is expected of you once you are at that position and you are the one who handles the ball the most outside everyone else.
5:33With that being said, you look at our team and where we are right now. We're two and three. We still have time to be able to salvage the season. I think they're continuing to stick with Jake Browning based on the last two performances that we've seen. It would have been malpractice by the coaches. I think Zach Taylor might be on the hot seat. Listen, it's not funny. This is a serious matter. This is not a laughing matter. For us, the fans are impatient i'm impatient i think upstairs they're also impatient because they've invested money in that offensive line they invested money in joe burrow they invested money in in t and jamar chase and in another especially offensively in general and they want to see a return on that investment correct joe burrow's down joe burrow down next man up the next man up is not playing well at all so we're two and three right now what do you want to do we want to get someone else who is a veteran presence that has won a super bowl maybe they come in and and steer the ship to keep it from sinking similar to like the titanic we don't want to hit iceberg so can joe flacco come in and steer the ship and dodge a few icebergs now we might we might sink a little bit but we don't want to just go all the way goddamn under right we're going to see what can happen it all starts with number one we have a gunslinger at the quarterback position that has a hell of a arm, but he's not mobile.
6:56No. Jake Browning was mobile, and he was running for his life.
7:01Shannon Sharpe:Yes. Joe Flacco ain't getting away from anything. My offensive line, if you guys do see this, I beg of you, I implore you to raise your level of play for us offensively to have any success moving forward starting right now this week against that Packers defense. Ooh. Ooh, Micah. Oh, my God. My Bengals offensive line. We need to set the tone. We need you. We need to set the tone. All five of you. Orlando Brown. Come on, baby. You got to come to the party. Brother Mims. You got to come to the party. Right guard, left guard, tear Karras. We got to come to the party. As we go, as the offensive line goes, our team goes.
7:50The game of football is one up front. It's one in the trenches. And for us to continue to compete, not only in the AFC North, but in the NFL in general for the rest of the season, we have to win up front. That's what it starts with. If we win up front, everything else becomes easy offensively.
8:10Shannon Sharpe:I can tell, looking at the chat, that there are not a lot of leaders out there because they're looking to obfuscate blame. If you go look at just look at the quarterbacks and how they talk Jalen Hurts watch out when they lose a game how he talks with Brady and Manning and all these quarterbacks lose. Look how they talk. It's on there. You don't talk about I don't shoulder all the blame. You said it's on me. I need to play better and I will. I understand why the organization did what they did because I wasn't getting the job done. Yes, sir. If and when I get another opportunity. Oh Joe the only reason he's on the roster is that when Joe Burr got hurt last time He did a well enough job and say you know what we got a backup if Joe goes down for three to four weeks We got a guy that can hold it in the road for us.
8:57Yeah, he will cut.
8:58Shannon Sharpe:We have a self-driving car I've been seeing a lot of self-driving cars lately. I'm like, hold on I'm sort of car driving around Oh Joe. I'm looking at besides the hold on wait a minute Ain't nobody driving Right, right, right I pulled up to the thing and stopped and somebody got out. I said, I heard people talk about it, Ocho, but that's my first time seeing one. You never saw it. Right, right. Man, they're going. So that's what, that's what Jake Browning was. He was a self-driving car. Like, man, Joe out, Jake got this. We saw him against Jacksonville. You remember that Thursday night game, Ocho against Jacksonville?
9:33Shannon Sharpe:Oh yeah. He played well. That's what gave you the confidence to say what you were saying because you had seen him in moments like this. Yes. Rise to the occasion. Play extremely well. I don't know what happened because here's the thing, Ocho. Expectations are the number one killer of dreams and hopes and aspirations. Because, see, it's easy. And I tell guys all the time. I say, you know what? The easiest thing I ever did was make the Pro Bowl because nobody was expecting it. Now, guess what happens when they build a game plan around you and the defense build a game plan to stop you. Wait, hold on.
10:12Shannon Sharpe:Stay right there because I know you're for the cook. Hold on now. Hold on.
10:18Hold on because let me tell you something. I got my pen and pad now. I know you're for the cook. Go ahead now.
10:24Shannon Sharpe:So that's what happens, Ocho. So you see what happened? Expectations. Jake Browning had immense expectations. Why, Ocho? Because the Cincinnati Bengals have immense expectations. Even though Joe Burrow's down, they believe, man, we have enough offensively to right this ship until Joe gets back. We got Chase. We got the best receiver in football. We believe we got another top 15 receiver in football. We got a guy that can run the ball. There ain't no reason for us to be scoring three points, 10 points, be down 34 to three going into the fourth quarter with the offensive weapons that we got. So now the expectations, and you feel that living up.
11:06Shannon Sharpe:See, Ocho, it was easy. Your kids see your kids got expectations you never had. Your dad, your dad Ocho Cinco. Yeah. The pro bowler, the one that's on nightcap. Yeah. Now they got expectations. You didn't have to deal with your mom. Your people like they might say, oh, you're Hurricane Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul. But now you put so much expectations on your kids because the only people in the neighborhood knew your mom, knew your grandma, you a worldwide commodity. They see that last name. They say, hold on, Chanel, what's your relationship to Ocho? That's my dad. That's your dad? Now, what you play?
11:57Shannon Sharpe:You play, what you do? You do so, what you do in sports? Right, right. What you want to be when you grow up? Now, you see Jake Brown had those expectations with that offense. He was supposed, he wasn't supposed to be Joe Burrow. He was just supposed to be that self-driving car to keep it in the road. Oh, you just don't crash. Yeah. That's all you got to do, son. I don't even need you to win this race. Just get the car around the track and don't crash. That's a good one. Keep it in first gear. See, I told you it was for the cook. Because see, I already know what's going to happen when you get to four.
12:31Shannon Sharpe:God, let me write this down, man. You're going to either burn the clutch out or you're going to screw up the gear. What you going to do, Ocho? What are you going to do? Hold on, man. Hold on. I don't need you to win the race. I just need you to get the car around the track. Boy, that's a bar. Huh? Get it around the track. That's a bar. You don't even understand. You don't even understand what you just did. Let me write this down. Hold on, man. What are you cooking? What? God damn. Boy, you need to be a pastor. Hey, I don't. Jake. I don't need. Jake, you think we need you to be 15 and two? Right.
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17:38Shannon Sharpe:10 and 7 might be something we can look at. Yeah, yeah. The Texans 1 and 4, the Titans 1 and 4. Okay, they got two teams in that division that are playing really well. You got the AFC South, you got the Jags, and you got the Colts. They cutting up. They cutting up. They cutting up. It's funny. Two of the teams are always three and four, and now one and two. Battling with a chance to win that division in the AFC South. Well, obviously, let me take that back, because when Peyton Manning was there, they dominated the AFC South. For sure. Absolutely. They're back. Let me just say it. As of recent, it hasn't been like that.
18:16Shannon Sharpe:No, no, no, no, no, no. basically since Andrew Luck left. It hasn't been like that. I'm excited. You think about what we are too as a Bengal fan. I'm sure we have some Bengal fans in the chat and just fans of football in the chat in general. If you think about us and what we are right now, we're at the bottom. We're at the bottom. There's nowhere else. There's no other place we can go but up from this point on. Based on what we saw last week, there's only one place we can go. We got Flacco in there. I'm optimistic. I'm optimistic. What choice do you have, Ocho? Right, and then a lot of people, you got some people obviously, I hear some Bengals fans, oh, why we go get Joe Flacco?
18:52There were no viable options. They talk about, well, why didn't we get anybody who could run? Why didn't we get anybody mobile? Who's out there? That is mobile. Call Amazon and see if they can see your quarterback. Exactly. This ain't madness. This is real life. This is real life. What we need is not like quarterbacks or like goddamn apple tree. You just go pick one you want to replace the next one. That is one of the reasons why it's so difficult to not only find a quarterback, but find a transcending generational talent like a Joe Burrow. You can't replace it. No, you can't replace the Lamar Jackson if he's injured.
19:28As you can see with the Ravens struggling, you can't replace a goddamn Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes or Justin Herbert. You can.
19:37Shannon Sharpe:But can we get can we get a Carson Wentz? Can he do what Carson Wentz is doing for the Minnesota Vikings until J.J. McCarthy comes back? Because he's making it hard on Kevin O 'Connell to put J.J. McCarthy ass back in the ballgame considering how well he's actually playing. Since J.J. McCarthy's been out, more touchdowns, fewer interceptions. That's what it is. Now, look, in this situation, you're not going to make it difficult for them not to put Joe Burrow ass back in there. He's making far too much money, and he's a far superior quarterback to what you are. But with that being said, bro, you gotta this is how bad this is how bad jake browning is his qbr is actually higher than joe flacco but when you desperate don't show a somebody say man look if one aspirin if if if two aspirin kill clear uh clean uh will clear your headache you'll you won't have a headache in say an hour.
20:34Shannon Sharpe:Well, and that's what Jerry Krause, Jerry Reinsdorf asked Michael Jordan, but it's a true analogy. You know, one aspirin, take two aspirins, pain should subside in a couple of hours. Well, if I take 10, it's probably going to kill you. And he asked Mike, would you take 10? He said, well, how bad is my headache?
20:58Shannon Sharpe:A desperate person will do a desperate thing. Desperate teams do desperate things. This was a desperate move because the actuality the quarterback that you had starting is actually playing better than the quarterback you're replacing him with. But let you see when you get desperate on Joe, when you get desperate, you make desperate decisions. You don't think clearly. You don't see clearly. All I know is that my guy isn't playing well. Well, let's grab that guy. You do realize that guy got benched also. Yes, I can see if you got a I want to trade for your starter no you traded for a guy that got benched can i say something yes we traded for a guy that got benched obviously but the guy that got benched that's coming to the bangles has a much better supporting cast around him right now again the one issue i did say because despite coming despite coming here to a much better supporting cast if that front four or that front five what it is five don't do what they need to do.
21:55They not. And be a wall for two seconds. Give me a wall for two seconds. That's all I need. Give me two. If you can give me two,
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22:06Shannon Sharpe:we can do something with one and five. Well, you better keep Flacco in the shotgun because it's going to take him longer than three to get in his drop, backpedal. That's fine. That's fine. We can put him back there in the shotgun so we can already process. So we can already process. He can see what's in front of him right away. and it doesn't take him that much long to get that ball out. And you know one thing about Flacco, boy, he got an arm on him. Oh, he can throw it now. He can still make all the throws. Now, he going to throw Chase and Higgins by three. Now, he going to throw the other team by two.
22:36Shannon Sharpe:Now, it's just a matter of whether they're going to catch him or not because he going to give everybody – he's an equal opportunity employer. He believes in DEI, diversity, equity, and inclusion. So, he going to diversify touchdowns and interceptions. He going to make sure it's equality, and he going to include the defense and what the hell he doing. So I'm just letting y 'all know, Bingo fans, you are, listen, you remember him when he was at the Ravens. You remember him when he was at Cleveland. You already know, and you just got a glimpse of him earlier this year. So you know who and what he is.
23:06Shannon Sharpe:So if you think you're going to get 2012 playoff, Flacco, that is it. He was never ever able to replicate. He could never really put a regular season together like he could those playoff runs. Ochoa, he had some of the great playoff runs. A crazy work in the playoffs. Crazy work. But again, you think about what he had offensively with the Ravens, even back then with that playoff run. Yeah, I could just I honestly I can honestly say throughout the entirety of his career. He never had nothing like he got working with. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He had a better offensive line, but he had have, you know, I'm trying to think who was his running back back then.
23:45Shannon Sharpe:I don't even remember who his running back was. I know Anquan Boda was one of the receivers. 27, 27, 27. Ray Rice? Yes, I believe so. Okay. I believe so, yeah. But I think the thing is, Ocho, he's going to need time to throw. Like you said, he doesn't have mobility. He's not a guy that you can move. I mean, are you going to move the pocket with him? You can't zone read with him? I mean, you're limited. Basically, Ocho, he's a drop back. He's a prototypical 70s, 80s drop back quarterback. That's what he is. He's not like these quarterbacks that we have today. All the quarterbacks today are slightly mobile.
24:19Shannon Sharpe:some more than others, but Ojo, he is what he is in usually. Yeah, I mean, listen, even though Joe Burrow ain't Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow ain't goddamn Josh Allen, but his ability to manipulate the pocket and feel pressure and being able to escape it and make throws down the field is second to none. He's really good at escaping the pocket despite not being the considered dual threat that those quarterbacks I just named are. Listen, I'm hoping we do well in the onus. It all comes down to the offensive line. Yeah. As they go, the better they play, the better we play offensively. I think they're going to try to, you know, you go in the draft and you try to draft an offensive lineman.
24:57Shannon Sharpe:If somebody comes available, you know, Ocho, in free agency, you get somebody to come to your team. You have to overpay because you're asking this man to uproot where he's been the last three, four, five years, six years, seven years. Who are he's gotten comfortable? He's established himself in the community. If he has a wife, his wife is an interest in the community. You got kids, they got friends, and they've been in school. So you're going to have to overpay to get one of those guys or an offensive tackle or a guard or a center to come join your team. So you're going to have to overpay to get one of those guys.
25:27Shannon Sharpe:And then, you know, you go into draft and you try to find the best offensive lineman because you're going to be drafting pretty high up if this thing doesn't get turned around, Ocho. Unfortunately, you might end up being a top 10. And I don't know, like I said, I haven't seen any projections just yet, but there might be a situation where you have to go in and take a lineman in the top 10. Now, we know, look, Anthony Munoz is the best offensive lineman that they've had. Willie, I know Big Willie. Big Willie. He from my home state. Went to Auburn. But you guys need an offensive line, don't you? Yeah, we do.
26:02We do. I'm just hoping those young bulls, those young bulls that we do have, especially those that have gotten paid, they've been paid a nice ransom. I'm hoping they can show up and pay dividends and play like the money that they've received so far. I'm excited for them. Obviously, getting Joe Burrow. Despite where we are right now, we're still 2-3. The season is salvageable. I know what Joe can do. But the only way to allow Joe to cook, the only way he can be that chef, the head chef, is he needs a little time. If he get a little time off, you give Joe any time, boy, he is surgical with that ball.
26:38That's for any of you that in the chat that know football. Even though he can't move, he got an arm on him.
26:44Shannon Sharpe:Yes. He got two of the best. He got the best, maybe arguably, depending on who you ask, the best dude to throw to. So I'm excited. I'm optimistic. And we can't go anywhere but up from here because we're at the bottom of the barrel right now. Get that Amex Gold card ready. I'm too tired to cook. We feeling five guys or the Cheesecake Factory? Both. Earn up to$120 a year in statement credits of participating partners. Up to$10 each month when you pay with the Amex Gold card. Learn more at americanexpress.com slash explore-gold. Enrollment required. Terms apply. The Declaration, which is full of these beautifully rendered sentences and paragraphs about Enlightenment ideals, does also have this darker history to it.
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29:11A decade ago, the ethanol kingpin of Iowa became the king of corn in Brazil. So we met with a lot of larger farmers, went from Bahia to Tocatines to Mato Grosso. And he brought a team of executives. They were going to help the country get in on a gold rush. Carbon and its derivatives are going to be really the next great commodity that the globe's going to trade. But back home in Iowa, trouble was brewing. If you live in Iowa, your land, your water, and your voice could all be at risk thanks to a man named Bruce Rastetter. Now people are questioning if his climate solutions have anything to do with climate at all.
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31:38Shannon Sharpe:inactive emergency quarterback. Ocho, what are we doing? It's already been reported that Bailey Zappi was taking a lot of the practice squad snaps. Yeah. Listen, Kevin Stefanski is really enjoying this moment. Kevin Stefanski is making the Browns organization basically Jerry Springer. He's making it basically Maury Povich when Maury Povich does the goddamn DNA test and the girl gets up screaming and they run around with the camera. Yeah, yeah. That's exactly what he's making. He's making a mockery of the situation and enjoying it. Yeah. He's enjoying it. Just announce the goddamn quarterback, who's quarterback number two.
32:20If Bailey Zabby was taking the practice reps, knowing that Shador, Joe Flacco gone. If Shador was already number three and goddamn Dylan Gabriel goes to number one and Joe Flacco gone, then that makes goddamn Shador number two. Why are we playing these goddamn mind games? Like, what are we doing?
32:36Shannon Sharpe:My thing was, Ocho, if he was, let's just say for the sake of argument joe flacco started okay when joe flacco was there joe flacco was one bailey zappy was two excuse me uh dylan gabriel was two should do was three but the report said bailey zappy was getting the practice squad they signed him off somebody else team and put him on their practice squad he comes in are taking reps that should do or should be getting so with that being said i understood the assignment ain't no way dylan graber gonna be taking all those reps and somehow come game come out of this regular season should do or sand is going to pole vault in front of him so if bailey zappy is taking those reps practice squad reps ocho what's the likelihood now i'm not saying it can't happen but what's the likelihood hey um i don't know what they're doing i don't know i'm not so sure i'm not so sure cleveland know what they're doing maybe they're waiting on deshaun to come back i don't know it says he's been out there he's been throwing and i don't know ocho but i just know look Look, they've made a mockery of this.
33:38Shannon Sharpe:We've talked about Cleveland more in the first six weeks of this year than we have at any point in time, and it's not all good. But I really don't know what to make of this. We're going to let it play out. What are you going to let play out? I can see if this was a training camp battle, Ocho. And let it play out. I'm trying to figure out what can someone do in a week of practice, Ocho, that's going to change your mind from where you stand right now to moving like, oh, well, he had a great week of practice. Nothing. Whoop-de-doo.
34:18Nothing at all. Again, that's why I said they're making a mockery of the situation. That's all. So, I like...
34:24Shannon Sharpe:What's going on, guys? Built this little mini gym. It's not a... It's a... They're asking him. They're asking Shador. What do you... What do you mean? That's Dylan Gabriel. You ask him what do you think about... I'm not playing. Ask Dylan Gabriel. What does he think about Joe Flacco being traded? Why are you asking me? I'm the backup to the backup that just got started. see they're always trying to put a microphone because they're always trying to get him to slip up they're always trying to catch him off his guard don't show they try to they they always trying they don't ask they don't ask any other quarterback they don't ask the third string or they don't ask the practice squad guy what do you think about somebody getting traded but somehow the microphone always seems to find your door they're hoping he mess up they hope he has a proverbial slip you see that's why he's not starting you see he needs to keep his mouth close you see this is why he what he is a news cycle huh it's the last name in general they haven't had somebody this polarizing that's not even in that's not even in an important role as of yet they never had anybody like this before they haven't and they don't even know how to handle the situation in general most of the time in a situation like this when you have something as polarizing a polarizing thing like that you you do everything you can to stay away from it but no they're engaging with it in purpose to keep the cleveland browns in the news cycle no different than the goddamn dallas cowboys right no damn different man if i should do i say look man if when i'm starting when when coach stefanski tell me i'm starting then i'll talk to you guys what other backup quarterback they talking to you can't do that though but you understand the rules though you know you understand the rules but i'm trying to figure out ocho I'm trying to think.
36:16Shannon Sharpe:They're not asking Jameis Winston no question. They're not asking Russ any question. Now, all the questions are to Jackson Dart. Right. So, my only thing is, okay, so why do you continuously ask a backup that's not playing? Why are you continuously asking them questions? What do you hope to get from him? I can tell you what they're hoping. I know what they're hoping also. Hey, they're hoping like when you go to the army like when you go to the marines like when you go to the navy they're trying to break you in the beginning to see if you are the one are you built for this mentally that's all they're waiting on the snap huh they're waiting on the snap i'm telling you he has to understand i can see i can see the play i can see the play all the way i can see the play way before it happened all the way before a star how can you not see it if you understand the game in the game that they're playing.
37:14I can see it. It's clear as day. Your owner coming out and saying some of the things he said. True. He got training camp. Oh, I see what this is. Okay, now I got to play the game. I see what y 'all trying to do.
37:26Shannon Sharpe:Right. You got to play the game. Now you're in their structured environment. You got to play by their rules. Yeah. You're right. Hey, listen, even I was in that position at one point. Mm-hmm. My feet ain't wet. I got my toe in the water. I got my toe in the water, but my feet ain't wet just as of yet. But once I got in the water fully, oh, but you've seen your air bit of Dade County, Liberty City come up out of me. Ocho, we got breaking news. Another major trade between the Jags and the Browns. Jaguars get cornerback Greg Newsome and Jets' 2026 sixth-round picks from the Browns. Browns get Tyson Campbell, the Eagles' 2026 seventh-round picks from the Jags.
38:08Shannon Sharpe:The trade partners from the night of the 2025 draft now pull off another midseason trade. Hey, listen, that's that's a good try. That's a good trade. Now, I don't understand why they were the Jags. Yeah, the Jags going for it. Oh, yeah. Listen, especially for the Jags. I don't. And this is the thing I would get ready to say. Greg Newsome is is a phenomenal uncle. For sure. Greg Newsome ain't no slouch. You know, we understand what Denzel Ward is on the other side. But when they try to go to Greg Newsom's side, that young boy can play some ball. So this is a win for the Jags. And with great understanding of why they did it, it's because, oh, we finna push all our chips to the front.
38:48We pushing all our chips to the front because we really believe we have a chance right now with the way Trevor Lawrence is playing. Yep. That's respectable. And if you're a Jaguars fan, I commend ownership. I commend your GM and I commend your goddamn head coach. They done pushed all their chips on the table. We going in. Hey, Unk, the chat funny as hell, Unk. What happened? They just been going in on you. They going in on me, talking about I look like Debo. I look like a Mexican with his damn flannel on.
39:18Shannon Sharpe:What they going on me for? What I do? Nothing. Go ahead. What I do, Ocho? They killing me. What they say I do? Hold on, chat. What I do? I was just asking questions. Damn. of them i can't ask no questions hey it ain't funny boy look i know i know you guys think but here's the here's the real when it comes to track and field i don't have a research team i'm old enough to remember y 'all i'm 57 so i go all the way back i remember the 84 olympics i remember soul i remember barcelona i remember atlanta i remember athens I remember Sydney was in 2000, Athens was in 2004, Beijing was 8, London was 12, Rio was 16, 21.
40:10Shannon Sharpe:I remember what y 'all want me to do. I remember the World Championships when they came out. I'm sorry that y 'all can't remember your way home. That is my fault. I've told you, if you know Shannon Sharp, if you watch me at any point in time, I told people my favorite sport is track and field. Yes, I love football, and I know the history of football. I know the history of basketball, but I love track and field. I'm playing around the track and field. I mean, if I didn't really have to talk about football, I'd go to the gym. But when track and field on, I ain't going nowhere. It's the only sports that I watch with the sound.
40:49Shannon Sharpe:No other sport will I watch with the sound. And for them to take their time out to come on nightcap, what other platform other than uh my boy justin gatlin his partner that give track and field athletes the platform like we do talking well yeah you're right you're right by that hey you know i'm sorry that you know i asked questions that i think the chat would want to hear what do you eat what are your training sessions like x y and z yes i so i'm i'm just i'm confused at what y 'all think i'm supposed to do like like stutter or go through it yes there are no notes on here with Anna Hall. I know who she is.
41:26Shannon Sharpe:I know she was a Florida alum. I know she from Colorado. I mean, y 'all. Don't worry about it, Uncle. They still killing me. They told me I look like Jody from Baby Boy. Man, people are weird. I mean, like I'm not supposed to ask any questions. Like I'm supposed to be like, what do you like? No, I know the history. I can't wait for us to have Ryan Krauser on so I can talk to him about the shot. The greatest shot putter ever. Anna was talking about Jackie's record that she set in Soul, 72-91. Seems unbreakable. That woman shot putter, the USSR, ain't nobody breaking that one. No. No. No. No. You know what's funny?
42:17It's the same way you are about track and field. One of the ones sporting... You like that about soccer. Oh, my God. When soccer come on, my phone don't do not disturb. On Saturdays and Sundays, I'm mad. I fly to London in the morning. My flight at 5 o 'clock. I'm mad that I'm going to London and everybody on goddamn international break. Everybody on international break. So that would be the perfect time for me to catch a goddamn game. I could sneak and go catch a game.
42:45Shannon Sharpe:Everybody's gone. Ocho, does this mean we'll see Travis full-time on offense? Greg Newsom was the number 26 pick in the 2021 NFL draft. Tyson Campbell was picked 33 in that same draft, just seven picks apart. You know what? I'm curious what they're going to do because they have a phenomenal nickel in Jordan Lewis, right? I'm not sure who's on the other side, but you know, Greg Newsom is coming in on one side and he's going to be that guy. That guy that can do it. I still think they know Travis Hunter wants to continue to contribute on defense. I think he'll continue to have those packages. They're going to find ways to fit him in there at some point.
43:25But what we saw offensively, he's too dynamic, huh? They have to find ways to get in the ball on offense. He's too dynamic. You put the ball in the area, anywhere in the vicinity, he's going to make that play, especially those jump balls that are really 50. Where he can showcase his athleticism. Yeah, they become 80-20 with somebody like that. Yeah, so, I mean, listen, he's too dynamic, you know, and showing flashes of brilliance in which we saw at Colorado on both sides of the ball. So I hope they allow him to continue doing this thing on both sides, giving them a healthy count on both sides of the ball.
44:01Are we going to be effective and efficient, but they don't overload him? Correct. He's able to play at his best on both sides.
44:10Shannon Sharpe:And that's what it comes down to, because they need a special player. Yeah. on one side of the ball or other. It doesn't work for them if he's average on both sides of the ball, Ocho. He has to be dynamic on one or the other. Right. Because that's why you traded up, Ocho. That's why you gave up what you gave up to get him. Because if you gave up what you get him and you just got an average player, that doesn't make sense to me. So let him be dynamic. Let him be dynamic. And then you, like you said, bring him in on the package. Me, personally, Ocho, I still think he's better at defense. I think his instincts, his ball skills are just second to none.
44:44Shannon Sharpe:I know you like it because of the jump ball, but right now it's just athleticism. Now once he learns the route tree I give prime example Tyree remember when Tyree first came in he was a gadget guy And then all of a sudden Tyree learned the route tree Tyree has played his way into a Hall of Famer Yeah, absolutely. Travis Hunter has that kind of ability He just got to get better at running around right now. They only run in most spots and jump balls Yeah, if I could get if I get Travis, I know you're gonna see this if I can get with you in the off season. Yeah. I don't need my time. Trav, I need you for two months.
45:19Two months. We working four days a week. All I need is an hour. An hour of your time for four weeks. I know you already have your train. I'm not trying to step on nobody's toes. I'm talking about running routes.
45:29Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. I'm talking about giving the illusion of doing something that you're really not at full speed. Oh, my goodness, brother, what I could do with you. Oh, my goodness, what I could do with you. Hope we take you up on that, Ocho. And listen. Now, you know that's my specialty now. I do. Shh, man. Shh. Hey, Trav, come on, holler at your boy in the offseason. I don't need much time. I owe a day. That's it. Rock running? I wish they would come up there and play press. Mate, come on up here if you want to. Shh. Ocho, just days after his most embarrassing moment of the season, Chiefs pass rusher Chris Jones addressed why he didn't give maximum effort on the Jaguars' game-winning touchdown.
46:09Shannon Sharpe:Jones says it's a teaching point for me. a little adversity. I think I can't think the play is over. It's a learning lesson. I thought it was over. I thought we had him down. So I kind of stopped and was about to celebrate. Then I realized he wasn't down. Chris Jones is one of the core leaders of the chief. And to see him take a playoff in that situation doesn't seem real. But for me, I thought they were going to let him score. That's what I would have done. That way I let them score right now. I need maximum time, But I think it caught them off guard that they was passing the ball instead of running it.
46:46Shannon Sharpe:So maybe CJ and I'm looking at it. This is me thinking for him because it's hard for me to believe that I saw it in real time. I'm like, damn, CJ. But I thought that and maybe they did think that they were going to run the ball. And I think they were a little surprised that the Chiefs passed the ball. But in a situation like that, you know, you can't assume. He knows that. I mean, he knew that, but now he really knows that. And, you know, obviously, Andy had to talk. Red had to talk to him. It's just not a good look. And he knows that. You're talking about one of the premier deep tackles, a three-time Super Bowl champ, a multiple-time All-Pro player.
47:26Shannon Sharpe:He's probably – he's more than likely going to be the All-Pro defensive tackle of the 2020s. Can't have that on your resume. Right. Like you said, it's a teachable moment. I don't think we'll have that issue with CJ again. Yeah. I mean, listen, you think about how many are 65 snaps. I'm not sure how many play on defense. All of them, all of them aren't 100 % effort. But you can't look like you did on that play. No. You can't look like you did on that play. There's a microscope on you being who you are. Aaron Donald's no longer playing. So you are considered widely as the best defensive tackle.
48:06in the game. So there's a camera always on you from every goddamn angle. You're absolutely right.
48:12Shannon Sharpe:Jones also said his social media accounts weren't deactivated as an attempt to avoid criticism. Ocho, back in your day, we didn't really have to deal with social media 24-7, the Twitter viral takes. Do you think athletes in today's game face more criticism than they did in years past? Absolutely. Absolutely, because not only you have to deal with the media, you have to deal with the fans as well. Now, before the fans had no way of having access to you. You didn't have to see it. You just have to hear it either on radio or on TV. Now you deal with much more, way more criticism, and they critique you way more when you don't play well or things don't happen or you get hit hard or you fumble the ball.
48:56You got to deal with it from everybody and all the social media. So you have to have thick skin, huh? You have to have thick skin, especially to be a player in this era, especially to be a great player in this era. It has to go one ear and out the other. You have to be able to ignore it. At times, you have to be able to laugh at yourself and laugh at your mistakes in order to continue to function at a high level in whatever respective craft it is you're doing, just not football in general. Whether it be you're a rapper or you play football, you play tennis, everything is everywhere now. You become a meme.
49:30And sometimes you got to take the jokes for for what they are and you have to laugh at yourself and pick yourself up, touch yourself off and just go again.
49:41Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, there's no question about it. Everybody that has a phone and have a social media account, they're a former NFL, NBA, MLB player, they're a former coach, they're a former general manager, they're a former B-man. So now everybody has an opinion and you can see their opinion show up in real time. You're absolutely right, Ocho. You're not getting away with anything there was a time that the media would see a player doing something right and it would never make the news it would never make the papers that ain't happening now no it's not happening if they see you do something it's getting reported because everybody wants to be first everybody wants to break the story it's like it's gonna get out anyway right so let me be the first to get it so there is no longer that that bond that used to be between the great players and the reporters, that's over.
50:35Shannon Sharpe:That's long. That's over. And now everybody has a camera. So you can't do, even if you wanted to get away with something, for the most part, it's hard to get away with stuff now. Right. Because just think about it. Jordan going out the night before and playing and gambling. Boy, that was going to be on somebody's face. Look at Michael Jordan before he played in the Knicks. This Michael Jordan at the blackjack table, y 'all. What's going on? Yeah. Cameras everywhere too now. Everywhere. The funny thing, knowing Jordan and how he was, his mannerisms, his persona in general, man, he wouldn't give to you know what.
51:09Oh, absolutely. Why you think you don't see his ass out now?
51:14Shannon Sharpe:Well, he really can't be out. He couldn't be out. Jordan hadn't been able to be my Jordan since he was at UNC. Yeah. The moment he hit the league and did that, it was over. and when he got those red and black shoes it was goodnight Irene yeah it was a wrap it was a wrap think about it Ocho he's really Michael Jackson they've really never been able to enjoy I mean you gotta rip the whole movie theater you wanna go out to a movie you gotta rip the whole theater out you wanna take the kids skate you gotta rip the whole skating rink out I couldn't live like that it would be hard everything is everything is everything is everything is on the microscope just imagine how everything how everything looks so big on the microscope that's how you look in the public eyes now that i don't mind i don't care i don't care about the microscope because what you see is what you get what you see is what you get i don't i don't play a character and this is just me but the whole not being able to go anywhere i'm too sociable i i love conversing with people I love seeing people and hugging and saying - You wouldn't be that way if you was that.
52:34Shannon Sharpe:You don't think so? You couldn't. Boy, you couldn't be like that with that kind of money. Boy, people will get you. Oh, you're talking about the money wise. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah. What person you know that popular don't have money? Hold on, hold on, hold on. I got money now. What you saying? Not like that. Okay, okay. They are, buddy, chop your head off. I got a question. What can Michael Jordan and LeBron do that I can't do? Go to the mall.
53:14Shannon Sharpe:They can't do that.
53:23Shannon Sharpe:We just talked about it, man. What you can't do. You can't go. But that's what you have to be able to do if you're a Jay-Z. Where's Jay-Z going to go? Where's Beyonce going to go? Where's Taylor Swift going to go? You think Taylor Swift can call up her girlfriend? Girl, let's go to the mall. Girl, let's go get us a drink. Where they going? Yeah, I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it.
53:50I've always been accessible. I don't care how big I get, which is probably why God would never bless me with that type of wealth. because he know damn well I'm going to be at the mall. He know damn well I'm going to be at the McDonald's drive-thru. He know damn well I'm going to be at every soccer game I can get to. It's not happening. He know damn well I'm going to still be on my grandma's porch in Liberty City and have everybody driving around and see if I'm sitting out there. I can't.
54:14Shannon Sharpe:I mean, you might be out there, but you're going to have security, and then you're going to be up in the box. You ain't going to be in the stands. It ain't the same, huh? When you go to a sporting event, especially – You're not the same. you look at that through the prison that you're the same you're not the same you can still have some of the same friends and y 'all but they come to you right they go someplace they take the whole island over you see most of the time you see what do you see a man on the yacht when you see jay-z how many security you see with him how many in that detail that security detail when you see Mike.
54:55Shannon Sharpe:Damn. That's your life now, Ocho. That is your life. It's private jets. It ain't no more spirit. It ain't no more in the airports. It's not anymore that. Oh, so you're telling me if I reach that type of wealth, I can't fly spirit no more? You're not flying that. That sounds good, but you're not flying that. You're not going to be worth a billion dollars, five billion dollars, 10 billion, 30 billion dollars and fly that. You're not. That's just like, you don't buy the same, you buy Chrome Hearts. you see what you spend your money on and I guarantee you when you were younger you're like ain't no way I spent this much money for a car wait a minute I didn't buy Chrome Hearts that was a gift for my baby you hey so everything that you got is a gift from your baby the watches that jewelry that Cuban that house you got all that gifts oh nah nah nah exactly you see you see how you move accordingly to the resources.
55:53Shannon Sharpe:So just imagine, I gave you two, you were$2 billion. Right now, okay. Okay, let's reset. Let's hypothetically speaking. Okay, you were$2 billion. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, okay. So tell me what you think I'm not going to do. You're not walking in a regular airport. You're going to fly private because you have the kind of means to fly private. because you're not going to run Ocho, you're not going to run the risk. You're a high value target. Yeah, I like that. And I know why you think everybody is your friend. When you get that kind of money, you build up a lot of enemies also. Damn. You think I got enemies right now?
56:35Shannon Sharpe:Hell yeah. Absolutely. And the more money you get, the more the more you get, the more dissension, dislike, jealousy, envy. But I'm a likable person. You could ask anybody in the world. What big it say? Mo' money, mo' problems. He didn't say mo' money, mo' friends. Mo' money, mo' problems. Right by that. You're right. But I just don't understand how anybody could not like me. I want you to get a billion. So that's the only way I'm going to get my $5 ,900 back. That's the only way I'm going to get my$5 ,900 back if you get a billion. Not really. I give it to you not. But I told you, as long as I owe you, you'll never go broke.
57:20Well. I just see it's better suited in my hands as opposed to yours. So you drawing interest on my money. I ain't drawing interest on your money, but I just got your best interest.
57:33Shannon Sharpe:You see how that works? I can show you that$5 ,900, man. I got you. I got you. I got a few bills I need to pay. What you need to pay? Ain't none of them$5 ,900, though. I can loan you something if you need it Oh you gonna loan
57:50Shannon Sharpe:So you owe me But you willing to loan me money You gonna loan me my money Chad how that makes sense Chad this man just told me He owe me money but he gonna loan me My money Listen I ain't gonna loan you the money out of what I owe you I'm gonna loan you some money out of Oh you gonna pay me and then loan me extra. Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. Okay. No, I'm good. Yeah, but I think, look, I think I think everybody in our chat understands the level of scrutiny that these athletes face today. The older athletes didn't have to didn't have to worry about that. They didn't have to worry about that. They didn't have to worry about their business.
58:35Shannon Sharpe:Because if somebody wanted to tell you business, where were they going? Mm-hmm. Oh, oh, he had... recording somebody's phone call. Mm-hmm. You're having somebody having cameras, you know, coming in and out. That was none of that. Go ahead, Chal. I'm seeing a lot of that lately. I'm seeing a lot of that lately. Not sports lately in general, but I thought that was a federal offense. I thought that was a felony. And recording someone - It all depends on what state you're in. Oh, okay. California, yeah, they tell you up with that. God, Lee. You can't record. Now, a call. Now you have no, no, no, no leg to stand on in a public setting for privacy.
59:21Shannon Sharpe:You can't be out in the park and tell my man, don't film me. Nah. You can't be in the airport talking about don't film me. You do have a level of privacy in your own home. Okay. You do have a level, like some states, it only matter if the person that's taping you, recording you, know that that's happening. Other than that. so it all depends on the state it varies from state to state but this level of of of criticism and scrutiny that guys serena and the women's athletes and the men athletes today yeah it's not even it's not even close even even mike said it mike said he don't know how he would be able to function with this social media.
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1:00:07Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, after five weeks, Sports Illustrated has dropped their NFL quarterback ranking. Here they are. Josh Allen is number one. Patrick Mahomes is number two. I'm only going to do the top ten. Matthew Stafford is three. Lamar Jackson is four. Jared Goff is five. Dak Prescott is six. Baker Mayfield is seven. Justin Herbert is eight. Jordan Love is nine. Drake May is ten. Okay, just for the sake of argument, we'll go through 15. Daniel Jones is 11. Jaden Daniels is 12. Sam Donald is 13. Jalen Hurts is 14. CJ Stroud is 15. Bo Nix is 20. Jake Browning is 30. Can I be honest with you? Yes. I'm not sure when they made that list, but Daniel Jones and Baker Mayfield belong somewhere near the top, along with Josh Allen.
1:00:57Shannon Sharpe:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. If we're just talking about this year, Baker Mayfield got to be in the top five. Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen. whatever list this is and whatever it came out if it's basically done so far up into up to this week in the season week five or week six whatever yes for sure daniel jones and baker mayfield deserve to be on the top of that somewhere sam donald needs to be in there as well yeah if we just if we're just baking it on this week right i'm not so sure that uh baker mayfield shouldn't be one we're not we're not talking about look we understand what josh allen's done we understand patrick mahomes has done we understand what matthew stafford has done and we know the mvps that lamar has done but if we're talking if we're basing it on the first five weeks of this season they haven't those guys haven't outplayed baker mayfield i'm sorry and y 'all know how i feel about uh patrick mahomes and i love everybody that they got ranked but they have not played there are not six quarterbacks playing better than baker mayfield that is a lie i don't care what your fan base is i don't care if you're bill i don't care if you're Chiefs I don't care if you the Rams you uh Baltimore there are not seven six quarterbacks playing the quarterback position better than Baker Mayfield they're not hell shit or Daniel Jones for that matter no they're not he's a surprise I didn't know I mean I could be I'm one of them I was a culprit you know who felt he wasn't going to succeed yes I just felt he wasn't based on what we saw from him in New York.
1:02:26And for him to come to Indy and do what he's doing, I'm like, man, what in the world? He done flipped the whole script in the AFC side? He's playing phenomenal football, man. So I want to be the first to say I apologize and I was wrong.
1:02:42Shannon Sharpe:I told you he was going to start. The guy that's the incumbent guy, the incumbent starter, which is Richardson, is making $4 or$5 million. They bring a backup in making$14 million and you think the guy that's making$14 million is going to be on the bench. Oh, yeah. That wasn't likely. That's not happening. Ocho, with the game that you just watched, do you think Jalen Hurst is ranked appropriate at 14? Listen, he won the Super Bowl. He's Super Bowl MVP. Based on what you've seen through the first five weeks of the season, has he played better than Sam Darnold, Daniel Jones, Drake May, hey, Jordan Love, has he played better than those guys?
1:03:25I'm glad you put it that way. I'm glad you put it that way. If anything, you know what, he's appropriately ranked. He's appropriately ranked based on what they ask him to do offensively. What they ask him to do offensively, where the numbers are not going to be like any of those guys that's ahead of him. So what he's asked to do, he is appropriately ranked right where he is, if that makes sense.
1:03:49Shannon Sharpe:All I know is there are not six quarterbacks that's currently playing the quarterback position better than Shake and Bake. They're just not. What do you call him? Shake and Bake.
1:04:05Shannon Sharpe:They're not. Look, we know Patrick Mahomes is the most accomplished. You know, three Super Bowls, three Super Bowl MVPs. You know, he's been in the Super Bowl five times. He's been in the AFC Championship. every year that he's been a starter he's never not been in the nfc afc championship game we get all that lamar the two-time league mvp uh josh allen's a one-time league mvp uh matthew stafford led a team to the super bowl i get all of that and kudos those guys accomplished that and you can't take that away from them but i'm sorry those guys are not playing the position better than baker mayfield is playing the position it's just that simple then they got nothing to do with what he might do moving forward.
1:04:47Shannon Sharpe:They said the first five weeks, this is after five weeks, Sports Illustrated dropped their quarterback ranking. So they're saying after five weeks of this year, 2025, nothing that happened 2024, going back. Nothing that's going to happen week six moving forward. They said the first five weeks of this season, Baker Mayfield's played better than everybody. Yeah. And he has. And in the record, they only lost one game. Josh Allen lost one game. Patrick Holmes, I think, I don't know what they were looking. Lamar Jackson's one and four. Matthew Stafford, I think they've lost two games. Jerry Gossett lost the game.
1:05:23Shannon Sharpe:Dak, I think they're two, two and one. Yeah. What about, well, the Colts lost one, right? Colts lost one, yes. 150 years ago, they were hunting us down to kill us, and now they're hunting down immigrants to deport them. This is First America, the true story of how the United States came to be and how we got to this present moment. Listen to First America on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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