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20:57Shannon Sharpe:All right, bye.

21:02Shannon Sharpe:Now it's time to welcome a former Pro Bowler, Defensive Rookie of the Year. I think he won that award, and he has won the Super Bowl, Devin White, Las Vegas Raiders. Devin, what's going on, man?

21:18Shannon Sharpe:Devin, you can't hear us. He muted right now. What's good? What's good? Can you hear me? Yeah, that's what's up. Hey, man, thanks for coming on with us. Oh, for sure, man. Pleasure, man. Appreciate y 'all having me, man. What's up, baby? What's good? Man, just cooling, man. Just cooling. Hey, let me tell you something. I don't mean to be thinking ahead, but I would just talk with Unc, right? And there's a certain play. I love what y 'all have on offense, right? But I mean no disrespect to them boys. We would just talk about next year, right? What you think about George Pickens over there in Las Vegas?

21:50Tell me that doesn't fit. Hey, you see, listen, stay with me real quick. You see how Mac Crosby being a Raider, it just fits his demeanor, who he is, what he represents? Vince, what you think about George Pickens over there? He definitely got that charisma. See, I told you, Walt. I know what I'm talking about, man.

22:10Shannon Sharpe:OK, we can get back to business. That's it. Damn, you got to help me understand this. With all the early success that you had at Tampa, Pro Bowls, All Pros, Rookie of the Year, win the Super Bowl, I thought you were a lifer because you fit the Derrick Brooks. You fit the Rondé Barber. You fit the John Lynch. You fit the Warren Sapp, a physical football player. Tampa known for defense. They're physical. Leroy Selma, rest his soul. Physical defensive player. Why? And then I know you heard, if you didn't hear it, somebody sent you what Jason Light said. Had I known what I know now, probably wouldn't even, I wouldn't have taken him.

22:50Shannon Sharpe:What went wrong? How, why and how weren't you able to finish your career in Tampa? um i think um personally i think they just weren't ready to you know give up that bad you know obviously obviously they knew it was time after my fourth year you know everybody knew the numbers i put up the accolades i had right and i wasn't trying to be selfish but i was just i wanted what was due you know i felt like i did everything right there from on the field off the field in the community being a team captain every year and when i asked to get me you know i got looked at crazy, you know, and I just, and I don't know why, you know, nowadays players getting played after three years, they're going to the first round, and I had to go fight it out on the fifth year option for what?

23:34When I already had, you know, even with Levante David, dog on the team, I led the team in, I led the team in tackles, you know, I got turnovers and, you know, made big plays, and then obviously, like you said, for him to come out and say what he said, man, we hosted a Super Bowl trophy together, so none of that matter, you know, where he know he'll do it again, because I helped him, you know, obviously, you On that run that we made, I feel like I was a key part of that. You were. If you look at the numbers and the stats, I missed the playoff game and had the most tackles in the postseason out of any player.

24:06And I missed one game. I missed the Washington game. Go look it up. And on the next three games, I was double-digit tackles every game and getting it in for real. Yeah, and you know what? And LD, this is one of the things I don't like about the business side of things, even with the numbers, even when you do things right. not only on and off the field. When it's time to get paid, when it's time to get paid, they always look at you funny. They look at everybody funny, even those that have the numbers, even those that have the stats. And it's the same conversation with the better players on each team all the time every year.

24:41It's the same thing. You always have to fight tooth and nail for your value. You always got to fight tooth and nail for what you're worth despite putting up the numbers. They're going to find something. They're going to put something in your contract. They're going to talk to your agent crazy. And just, I don't know. I hate that side of the business. But listen, I'm glad you got what you deserve. And you doing your thing.

25:05Shannon Sharpe:How disappointed were you? Because like you said, you hoisted a Lombardi trophy in your building together. The ups and the downs. And you had some setbacks. And you accomplished all these things. And I'm sure because when we had you on my own show, you talked about, hey, I'm going to be a lifer, you know, like Sam. And I see Brooks and when they come around and I see their names up in the stadium. That's what I want. That's what I want for D. White. Yeah, I think I was very disappointed. Just, you know, like I said, I'm always piggyback off the one tape. You know, he do everything right. That's my big brother, like to this day.

25:40And I thought I was coming in to like take over the role and be the next great one after him. Obviously, he still ain't slowing down. He's still going. And, bro, we both made all pro team together. We was always in the top 100 together and led the team in tacklers together. And I just thought I was going to just be his successor. But, you know, at the end of the day, I was very disappointed, man, because that's somewhere I wanted to be. But that also made my hurt a lot worse because I had already started counting my eggs that didn't hatch yet in Tampa. And I was dialed in. Like, I still got a place there.

26:14and I was about to buy another spot across from my place to just add on and just make this my forever home. That's going to be my home. Yeah. When that don't happen like that, man, that hurt. That hurt a lot. But, I mean, it is what it is.

26:27Shannon Sharpe:When you found out Tom Brady, because all of a sudden it started to be speculation Tom Brady might be signing with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You're like, hold on. Tom Brady that was in New England? Tom Brady? You're talking about the guy that's won six Super Bowls and that's been to all these Super Bowls and got all these accolades, he might be coming to Tampa? Hold on, man, stop playing. Y 'all for real, Tom Brady might be coming to Tampa because if you look at it, you guys had an outstanding season. Jameis had through for 5 ,000 yards, but it's hard for a defense to overcome 30-plus turnovers from one player.

27:02Shannon Sharpe:And I'm sure you thought in the back of your mind, man, if, man, Tom Brady, he don't turn the ball over with this defense, boy, it's going to be tough for somebody to beat us. Yeah, I mean, we knew getting him that we could be really good, you know, just him just being in complete control of the offense. You know, the turnovers did help. You know, Jameis did a lot of great things. Salute to him. You know, but we was the number one run defense team in the NFL my rookie year. You know, we was kind of hit or miss in the past. You know, we was kind of in the middle of the bunch. So we just knew we was just missing a complete offense to be able to go do it.

27:39And then obviously, you know, him coming there brings a lot of expectation that people was willing to rise to the occasion. You know, that's another thing. When you get a person like him in the building, your play level just go up times 20. Got you. You know what I'm saying? Because you want to meet his standard. You know, he got a certain standard about himself, you know, being on the team, being in the building. And, you know, you just kind of want to be all in. Then obviously we had got some key guys. You know, we got his tight end. You know, we had got a great receiver out of Florida, you know, that he ended up helping.

28:07You know, we had a couple D linemen come in. to really kind of put our defense, solidify our defense. And we was rocking out. You know, we had a lot of young guys on defense too, but, you know, that's part of it, you know. People just getting thrown into fire and just accepting the role and going to go get it.

28:22Shannon Sharpe:What were your practices like? Were they challenging because were you talking smack to him and he talking smack to y 'all, you guys? Because it seemed like, you know, you got Tom Brady, you have those, you got Godwin, you got Mike Evans, A.B., you got Gronk. You know, A, you don't want to get blitzed. Hey, y 'all ain't finna do that what y 'all been doing to them. Y 'all ain't finna do that to us. And then, like, well, what y 'all did to that team, y 'all not finna do that to us. And so y 'all just going back and forth. And so you're raising each other's level. I think the best part about it was it was two things I say.

28:52The secondary wanted to get a pick off Brady. Like, we knew you couldn't pick him in the game, so you wanted to try to get it in in practice. And then I think for just the overall defense, we had to be able to disguise, like, harder than ever because he had seen so many looks in his life. So that's what made our defense even better. We was able to disguise and play different coverages from different looks. And I think that helped us on the back end of the season because we just had got so much better. We was grooming ourselves to perfection with our disguises because you got to trick him some way because he done seen it.

29:26And I think that helped. I remember in the playoff to go to the championship, we was playing Aaron Rodgers. we was playing trap coverage where the linebackers running out on cover and holding the number two receivers. I'm running with Devontae on our routes and stuff, and we sending, you know, boundary pressures, and, you know, you can't pick it up because you don't know who's dropping. You don't know who's going. Right. And that's one thing I credit to Todd Bowles is he never stay the same weekend and week out. He always adds to that playbook, adds to that playbook.

29:55Shannon Sharpe:You're in. You go to Philly. Philly don't work out. I was like, man, you know, he'd be good in Philly. Why? Why? I could have been bothered. Okay, well, tell us why. Now, I don't know, though. Truthfully, you know, I feel like I went there with a fresh mind. You know, I was around a bunch of guys that I, you know, that was in my high school class that I already knew. And I went there, you know, just going to get it back on track. You know, coming off that foot injury my fifth year, went to all the OTAs, that was new for me. You know, being in Tampa with an older team, we didn't really do many OTAs.

30:26You know, my second year was COVID. Third year, fourth year, we had, you know, Tom Brady. He didn't, he wasn't, you know, he did his own thing. So we did our own thing on defense. So I was pretty much locked in. You know, I started every game. I mean, started every practice of camp, OTAs. I was there. And, you know, after the second game, I mean, second preseason game, you know, they called me up. You know, Coach Vic, you know, he said, we're going to go with Nekobe. And, hey, I do what y 'all got to do. You know, I said, I asked him, what did I do to, you know, keep this job that I done had all spring?

30:58He said, it's just a decision we're going with. And I respect it. You know, hats off to Zach and the COVID still my guys. I was still in there for four weeks, you know, just giving them all the, you know, the gym that I had. You know, they was playing New Orleans. I was familiar with them. And I was just being a pro about the situation. That's why you never heard nothing bad come out of that situation. It just wasn't the fit. You know, I wasn't who they wanted. And respectfully, you know, we moved on. And it is what it is. You know, I don't dwell on it. You know, I still got incentives off that Super Bowl run.

31:27So God is good. But God is good. You know, I was on the team for four weeks, you know. Right. Yeah.

31:35Shannon Sharpe:It's been a rough start for you and for the team in Vegas. You got Jamal Adams who moved from safety. He was a safety. Now he's a linebacker. Defensively, you got Max Crosby. Everybody knows what Max brings to the table. So, Tevin, what's the transition been like for you from Tampa to Philly? Now you're here in Raiders. You know the Raiders. You know, Al, I know they got a lot of slogans. His famous thing is the quarterback must go down and he must go down hard. Yeah. I think the biggest transition is just, you know, it's just a different style of play than what I'm used to. You know, I've always been a simulated pressure type of guy from Dave around in college to Ty Bowles in the NFL and just coming to this new scheme and just kind of, you know, being a little more zony.

32:20You know, it's been different for me. And, you know, I started off playing Mike, you know, Mike and Will. I was rotating the first couple weeks because we were trying to get different guys on the field. You know, we had Jermaine Pratt, E-Rob, Jamal, and myself. So I was the guy that was going for Mike. Mike and sub, and I was playing wheel and base, and then I was a dime linebacker. So stuff ended up then working out with my guy Pratt. You know, he went to the coast with his old defensive coordinator from Cincinnati. And now I'm back at wheel, and that's where I roam. And my first game at straight wheel this past week.

32:55Russ got to turn over. I was able to go get it, you know, so that's a good thing, you know. Stuff happened how it happened, but, you know, you just always find the good in it. But at the end of the day, man, I think we can hit a stride, you know. We're starting to find out our identity, you know, who we are because you got Coach Pete and you got Coach PG. They clashing together, two good defensive-minded guys, you know, trying to find the identity. And I think that's what's going on. So I'm excited.

33:21Shannon Sharpe:The thing that I was always impressed with you, Dev, is that your ability to close, the suddenness. I mean, when they bring you on pressure, I mean, you arrive in a hurry, and you're arriving with bad intentions. I mean, when you get to that point, bad things normally happen for the opposing player. So what is your mindset when, like you said, they sent you on a blitz, and you're like, I'm going to pressure Mike, I'm going to pressure Will, I'm going to pressure Mike Backer, because Todd blitzed you a lot. because he knows he's going to get you on the line, on a running back, and you're going to win your ass over.

33:57I'm going to win. I'm going to win. No, I think that's the thing. You know, just growing up when I'm from a small town, I never played for a coach who played the game until I got to the Buccaneers with all my coaches there. They all played the game. That was the first time. So I was able to just add more tools to my bag, and I think that was one of the things. They was like, bro, you got speed, and you just got a ability, a knack for the ball, you know how to go get it. And, man, I took pride on it. I was like, well, look, I'm going to focus on this because turnovers win games, you know? So, obviously, with him blitzing me, it's like, hey, go get the ball.

34:33Don't just go get a sack. Go get the ball. And then, obviously, when I'm in coverage, you know, that's the main thing, too. But, you know, as far as just being a guy who can go get sacks, you know, I think I've done that well since my, you know, since I entered the league, entered the NFL. I think I got the most off ball sacks as a linebacker with like 24 25. So and that's missing a year of ball last year So man look hey, I just hey I can go get it and I take pride in you know When I went to go set Ken Ward I was thinking ball the whole time It like you know you get a sack but a sack from a better way

35:07Shannon Sharpe:Exactly, you know, it's just not good enough to get the quarterback down. Let me see if I can get this ball while I'm at it Yeah. Hey, what has it been like, the difference? Obviously, living in Tampa, you know, for a while, as opposed to being in Vegas. You like Vegas better? Oh, no. I ain't gonna say I like Vegas, the dryness. But I think Tampa, you know, I'm a country boy, so, you know, just being in Tampa, it was a city feel, but it wasn't too big. You know, the life wasn't too big. It still felt homey to me. And obviously, being there five, six years, I can drive around Tampa with no GPS, you know, just being there so long.

35:41Yeah, you good, yeah. So I think that still having settled in, you know, and just being out here, I'm still new, still learning. But I mean, it's nice out here. The biggest thing from both cities, no state income tax. That's a blessing right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, see?

35:56Shannon Sharpe:Your living expenses is saved in the taxes that you would have paid had you been somewhere else. I'm trying to tell you. So now I can't get with it. Gotta get your ass to horse, because we know you love horses. I love horses, but you can't bring them out here, brother. The weather out here is driving. It's too hot for me. You can try. Yeah. If I'm not mistaken, I think you got American saddle horses. American standard bread. Standard bread. Okay, standard bread. So you got working horses. Yeah. Obviously, you can race them on the track. You can do a lot of pleasure riding with them. I do both, man.

36:27I tapped into this Amish world. I'm with the Amish community. They do a lot of buggy horses with these standard bread. So they're not just one dimensional. Yeah, you got to know people. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. Buggy? What the hell are you? Hey, wherever it's good at, that's what I'm trying to be. Just know that. The Amish people, they don't go by Richard Miller's and phones and all that. They spend their green on horses. So I'm trying to be a part of that culture, too. Okay. They eat. Man, horses eat you out of house and home. Yeah, they sell.

36:58Shannon Sharpe:Sweet feed, hey. Yeah, check him out. Sweet feed. You know, let's talk. No, but the Amish community, you know, they take pride on horses. Horses are their cars. So, you know, instead of them going to to buy their wife a new Porsche. They go buy them a new nice horse to drive to church and to the stores and you know, whatever function they have and to their family houses. So I done got here real big with a bunch of Amish communities and I'm making my mark over there. So that's pretty cool. Where's the Amish community at? They got an Amish community in Louisiana or town? No, no, no. I'm in Illinois.

37:30Pennsylvania? Illinois, Pennsylvania, Ohio. Yeah, it stays like that. They up there. Yeah. Oh, man. I ain't no you riding horses, boy. Oh, yeah, I'm like that. I'm like that. I rode a horse across Raymond James after we won the Super Bowl. Yeah? OK, yeah. For sure, Pete. I be riding too now. Nah, nah, you going to Mexico and riding when you just, you Cadillac. And I'm doing it for real. No, no, no, no. I ride for real. OK, we're going to tap in. I ride for real. Let me know. We going 30 mile per hour, not even moving in the seat. That's the type of riding we're doing. That ain't, well, you might want to Google me, man.

38:05All right, why don't we check out? Hey, I ride horses. I ride PBR bulls. I ride for real. Yeah.

38:11Shannon Sharpe:He do a little something. He do a little something, Dale. Dale, but you got to tell the backdrop of the story of the horses and how you got in the story, horses, because you were dealing with something. You went through something in your life, and horses helped you deal with that. Yeah, for sure. Just being in a small town where I come from, you know, growing up, man, it ain't really much to do around now. A lot of people, that's what a lot of people do, you know. But growing up, I ended up losing my brother at a young age. I want to say I was like eight or nine years old. And that's just what I used to cope with it.

38:43You know, you could be at the barn. You know, you take a lot off your mind going to ride and stuff, man. So I think that horses has always been a good coping factor for me. And now, you know, just as I got older, you know, I enjoy it. You know, my son enjoyed it. And, man, we kind of make a hobby out there. You know, we go to events around the world. You know, Tennessee, Louisiana, Texas, Mississippi. I guess on the south end of the world. And we go to it. And we have fun, man. We do it for pleasure. But at the end of the day, man, we out there enjoying ourselves. So horses have been a big part of my life and probably going to continue to do it.

39:16And more guys in the league starting to get to them. I got Ed Oliver doing it. Xavier Leggett, he on it. Zamir White that played with the Raiders, he on it. And, you know, Xavier Howard, he just retired to be with his kids. But also, he done got into these horses too. He down there in Miami, but he from Houston. But he got all his horses in Miami. And I sold him some horses. So that just let you know, like, hey, it's getting real around. Hey, hey, hey, what's the number on them horses? What we talking about? Depends, man. We get you some 30 miles. Depends, depends. You know, about 20 grand, you know?

39:49A little something slight. Oh, OK, OK. Yeah, but go ahead and tell them the other part about how much them mofos eat. Yeah, nah, they eat a lot, though. And in Miami, you know, y 'all ain't got the best resources for hay and feed. Right. Y 'all got to get it shipped in, you know, like how we do in the South. We grow it. You know what I'm saying? So it'll be a little more expensive. But it's worth it, though. You know, when you got something that bring you peace, money don't matter. Yeah, you're right, man. My daughter, man, I don't know where it came from. Obviously, you in the city. The fact that she loves horses so much.

40:22Hey, but we got to show you about these stand-up breads, though, bro. It's way smoother. You know, you can ride at a higher speed. You know, you can bring it down and slow. I'm going to see you some videos. You're going to be very pleased with the work. You know, a lot of people don't know about standard breads because they do a lot. You can do jumping with them, but you also can teach them what we do at single foot. You know, speed rack and single foot. I'm going to teach you about that. Yeah, yeah, OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to put you on. You know, I might have a new client. See what I'm saying?

40:50You got a, so how many horses do you own now? About 60, some. 60? But I'm in the business, though. I'm in the business. OK, OK.

40:59Shannon Sharpe:Okay, so you breed, sell, and all that other stuff. Oh, yeah. I'm just collecting them. I'm doing it for real. I got a whole Get Live Stables LLC. We're doing it for real. So do you have any pulling horses, shards, anything like that? Nah, we just got straight on, like I said, the buggy horses with the Omnis World. I got the pleasure horses that I do. And then, obviously, we got the race horses on the track that's pulling the buggy. But they racing. They racing on the track. Oh, you got them like Jokies. Like Jokies. Jokies. He got the same horse. Stand up, Brad. Yeah. There you go. Hey, you know what?

41:31That give me a good idea. Since you got horses, Christmas coming up. Come on. My daughter loves horses. So you know what I'm finna do. We're going to put it in the game. We're going to talk on the back line. We call it the back line. Talk to him. We're going to put out a business on Front Street. We're going to talk on the back line. Holler at your boy. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Are you going to get the Fairbrands, maybe get to the Derby or something? Man, Max won't win. I told Max, let me get this next contract. We can do something. We can do something. Hey, hey, hey. I mean, to get some good bloodline, they're going to, you know, hey, you got to come out a million or two.

42:04Oh, yeah. Hey, man, he making$35 a year. That's what I got. He got it. I'm going to just make it. I'm going to oversee everything. You know, I'm going to be his business partner. Make sure he don't get screwed no well. We'll be at the Derby in about two or three years. Check us out. Have you ever been to the Derby? Nah, I never been. I just told him, man, if I go, I want to host it. One year, they let Von Miller host it. And he do chickens. He don't do horses. so I felt disrespected because I'm a real horse guy. That should have been your call. Yeah, that should have been me. So whenever they let me host it, I'll be there because I can talk about them.

42:35You know, I can give you a live update on what they're doing. I actually did it when I first came out at the New Orleans track, and I think I did a good job, man. I put the suit on and everything. So I'm ready to take that next step. So if y 'all see this, invite me to the derby, you know, and I got y 'all. It's going to be a great experience because I actually know horses, and I'm an athlete myself.

42:57Shannon Sharpe:So let's talk about your college, LSU. You think you guys got a chance to make the college football playoff? Can y 'all win the SEC? Yeah, I think we do, man. We got a real good defense, man. We get our quarterback healthy. You know, obviously he was one of the best quarterbacks going into this thing, but kind of battling some injuries. But I think he going to shake back and, you know, he going to get us back on track. But as long as our defense keep getting turnovers and holding people out, I think we're going to be pretty good, man. well Devin man congratulations on your journey man look if things don't always look God don't make no mistakes he put you you went through what you went through you're stronger for it uh I'm happy for you um continue success stay healthy yeah you know when you stay healthy and keep doing what you're doing you know what's on the other side man I'm trying to get one of them them gold things man that's all that's important to me man hey that's all that's important to me that we play this game for man all the other stuff gonna come we already been blessed tremendously.

43:54You know what I'm saying? Just gonna keep having fun and making sure we doing things the right way, man. So, I appreciate y 'all for having me, man.

44:00Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. LeBae, you don't have any other other, you don't have anything else? Chicken, pigs? Just horses? Nah, man. Nah, I just do horses. Man, I got dogs, but man, they just. What kind of dogs you got? I got Blue Hillers. I got Blue Hillers. Oh, okay. It's an Australian cattle dog. They run I know what a hill is. I know what a hill is. And I just got them for company, bro. I don't even work them. I just got them just to have company on the farm. Because I got like 80 acres back in Louisiana. And this offseason, I plan on buying like 100, another 100 that's not too far. And, man, that's what I do, man.

44:30I like being where it's peaceful at. And I still got my land in Florida, too. I go out there and train. And I got a born out there in Odessa on the backside of Tampa. And I go out there, train, take horses, and enjoy myself out there in the summertime as well. So even though, you know, they got rid of me in Tampa, I still got my... You still got roots there.

44:48Shannon Sharpe:You still got roots there. I still got my roots there. All right, man. And congratulations on all your success. Stay healthy, man, and come back and talk to us again, Dev. I appreciate you, man. I appreciate you. Love. Devin White, linebacker for the Las Vegas Raiders. I misspoke earlier.

45:07Shannon Sharpe:What's the dude's name? Nick Bosa was defensive rookie of the year they came out. Okay. But he was off to an unbelievable start, Ocho. He was – he's still – and he's starting to look back. and as I'm watching the Raiders, he's starting to look again like the Devin White that you remember when he first got to Tampa. Sudden, impactful, you know, dropping into coverage and blessing the linebacker. He's getting back to that Devin White, and I'm glad to see him find a home. I think Grantham is the D.C. and Pete Carroll, both defensive guys, understand how to use linebackers and coverage in disguise things.

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49:57Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, George Pickens, who's set to become an unrestricted free agent after the season, praised the Cowboys, but noted he also wants to showcase my talents. Pickens was asked about staying in Dallas long term and said, I wouldn't mind it. The guys in the locker room are super cool. The energy is great. But like I've said, I always want to showcase my talent, most definitely. Pickens, who turns 25 next March, figures to be one of the most sought-after receivers in free agency should he hit the market. On Tuesday, Jerry Jones did not want to get into whether the team would like to open talks on a new contract with Pickens.

50:35Shannon Sharpe:Ocho? Yeah. Pickens is going to want somewhere between$32 and$36 million. Yeah. Is he staying in Dallas, or is Jerry going to hand him walking papers, let him walk? I don't know. If I was him, I wouldn't even play. I wouldn't even want to be there, honestly. I'm just saying that's just me personally. I want to maximize my potential. I want to maximize my earnings and go somewhere else where I can contribute. He's about, you want to show your talent. We know he's going to be the number one. He want to go somewhere and be number one. He want to be number one then. I mean, that's what he is. That's what he is.

51:11You got to convince me. They're in a great situation. Obviously, it was unfortunate that CeeDee Lamb got hurt where Dak Prescott had two number one receivers. But he needs to go somewhere else to maximize as much as he can get, be that number one continue to build his career and being a number one player and doing Cleveland that he knows he can do where you said Cleveland

51:34Shannon Sharpe:Cleveland

51:38Shannon Sharpe:they need a number one receiver I'm trying to think I'm trying to think of places oh the Raiders ooh I like that the Raiders hey wait a minute do you understand how you understand how that marriage right there would be perfect George Pickens NFL young boy at the Raiders no that is a great matchup that's a great matchup it makes sense it fits it fits him his persona his image that is perfect Pete Carroll hey Pete I'm not tampering I'm just telling you ahead of time Geno Smith you know where he'd be good at too the Giants oh until With Jackson Dart? Hey. Oh, neighbors. They got neighbors. Neighbors coming back.

52:30Shannon Sharpe:Never mind. Okay. Not there. All right. Hold up. Let me see. Atlanta got... Drake London. Drake London. Drake London. Tampa got Mbuka, and they got Godwin. They got Mike. New Orleans. They got Alave, Shahid. Yeah. But I think, me personally, I think George Pickens is better than both of those guys. Yeah. Different type of player, different type of receiver. I'm trying to, whatever. I like the Raiders though. I love the Raiders. I love the Raiders. I like the Raiders idea, honestly. All things being equal? Yeah. The question is, do they like Zay Flowers or do you like George Pickens? Whoo.

53:18Shannon Sharpe:Because both of them going to be up.

53:25huh pick going up pick going to the Raiders I'm telling you I'm putting that in the universe right now because I mean that that CeeDee Lamb team over there in Dallas with that on his helmet

53:38Shannon Sharpe:the Colts need a receiver damn okay we got like the Colts with Indiana Jones yeah I I like it I like it but they They kind of set. I mean, Tennessee, they not set. What? Oh, yeah, dude. I mean, they got Pittman. They paid Pittman. Pierce, Pittman, Downs, they good. They good. They got a nice little squad. And you know what I like about the coach receivers? Everybody has a different strength. Everybody has a different strength. Everybody does something that the other doesn't. So I like what they have right now. I'm telling you, pick it to the Raiders. You're right. You know what, Ocho? You know, the Patriots.

54:21No, man, no, no, no, no, no. Hell nah, no. You don't like it with Drake May? No, no. I like Drake May, but they got their little, their core. Like Pickens and Patriots, that no, don't put him in that environment. Absolutely not. No. You don't like that structure.

54:46Shannon Sharpe:It's too structured. Yeah, I know. Don't put the man in that environment. You think you slick, Ocho. What? Don't put him in that environment. Nah, man. Hell nah. Hell nah. I mean, so what do you think as far as the market? Open market? Open market. I mean, what type of numbers are we looking at? Somewhere 32, 32, 33, 35, 36? Based on what I'm seeing right now from him and what he's done in the past and what he's probably going to finish with this year, he's probably going to get somewhere between 34, 36 on the open market. I'm telling you, it's going to be Pete Carroll. It's going to be, I'm not his agent, but I'm going to be responsible for him getting over there, over there with Gino, so Gino got somebody to get that thing to, you know?

55:31Shannon Sharpe:I tell you what, Gino keep turning the ball over. Gino ain't going to be there throwing it to him. He better stop turning the ball over. He got 10 interceptions in six games. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. see you know you know what would probably relieve some of those interceptions him not hitting other guys in the chest or or having a target like george picking to throw to brock bauer still hurt brock bauer still hurt huh he is damn

56:03Shannon Sharpe:yeah um look he's engaged yeah um he knows the cowboys are going to throw the football he knows he has a quarterback that can get him to football and that he's getting more opportunities because CD is down now the question is when CD comes back will he still get 10, 11 targets a game normally the 10, 11, 12 targets go to CD so let's just say for the sake of argument Ocho we take 4 of those targets away and so instead of getting 10, 11, 12 he gets 6, 7, 8 can he still give us I mean there'll be games that he still can give you a hundred but if he can give us you know 70 a quick 70 quick 80 a tub here or there he gonna get paid Ocho the guy is gonna be he gonna be 25 yeah start of the 2026 season he ain't even he's not even close to his prime no not yet he ain't even got his prime and he won't get his prime for another two years yeah he gonna get it Listen, I told you, I told you, didn't I tell you when I talked to pick last year, didn't I tell you there'll be no more problems?

57:16Shannon Sharpe:Yep. You ain't had and we had a problem yet. I told you and I stand on that. And he's going to get rewarded not only for for I hate using the word good behavior, but being a professional. But you're going to get rewarded for your play on the field. Now, what you're doing off of it, you're going to get rewarded for your play on the field tremendously. And I know you're going to see this young boy, stay locked in. Keep the main thing, the main thing. And you're going to get what you deserve. I got a place where he can go. Where? Green Bay. Josh Jacobs said they need a number one. I like, hey, that's a good one, huh?

57:55That's a good one.

57:56Shannon Sharpe:Josh Jacobs said they need a number one. Let me tell you something, though. Let me tell you something. I look at the Green Bay offense the same way I look at the Indianapolis Colts. where they all are by committee, and each game, you never know whose day it's going to be. You never know whose day it's going to be. It might be Golden. It might be Wicks. It might be goddamn Reed who come back. It might be Dobbs. You never know. So I like what they have over there. I like that little young system they got. I want them to be that man over there in Las Vegas. Because it's just going to be him. You ain't got to worry about nothing else.

58:37You know, every game, you get 10-11 targets going crazy. Pete Carroll, what are we talking about? I like it.

58:52Shannon Sharpe:I like, look, I like, I always thought he was talented. I thought he was immensely talented. The catches that he's making, he's tremendous run after the catch. is just, you know, sometimes you need to change the scenery. Yeah, that's all it takes time. Sometimes you need to change the scenery. He had worn out his welcome in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh was, you know, Ochoa, Pittsburgh and George Pickens were sick. They were sick of him, and he was sick of them. Yeah. So when you get a situation like that, the best thing to do is to go ahead and part ways. They were able to get something for him. He was able to get a place.

59:31Shannon Sharpe:They're going to throw him the football. Now, it worked out perfectly. I hate that CD got hurt in order for people to see just how good George Pickens is. Because I think the thing is that, you know, his behavior, his petulant behavior, you forget that he's a misly talented receiver. CD going down, he got an opportunity to showcase that. I don't know if CD's back this week or when CD's coming back. But he's put enough on tape to make people understand, to let people know, oh, he for real now. I'm him. He the real deal? Him. What are we talking about? Yeah.

1:00:06Shannon Sharpe:Jerry Jones says he's open to making a trade before the November 4th trade deadline. We have thoughts all along that if we see a way to improve this year with a trade at the deadline, then we'll take advantage of it. If there's a trade that will help the defense, we're in position to make that trade. I want to remind everyone, one of the great things about our trade we had with Green Bay is that our tackle makes about$22 million a year. He cost us two. Cost him$2 million. We're getting a$20-something million player for$2 to$3 million right now. And he's playing about as well as anybody on the defense.

1:00:41Shannon Sharpe:Why do I bring that up? That alone has increased our flexibility of being able to look at potential trade right, whereas you might have had cramps before. So we're in a position to look at that trade, and that means we're going to make one. That doesn't mean we're going to make one, but Jerry's saying, Ocho, we have the assets. We have the cap space. If there's somebody out there that can help this defense at the deadline, we go do it. That's wishful thinking. Does that strike me as something Jerry would do? No, but the question is, Ocho, is there a Charles Haley out there? no but listen they have a problem stopping the run and i told you who to go get i told you to go get over there in tennessee he wet 98 he nice a very good run stopper oh listen i'm not sure who the mic back is but you should have a feast you should have a hell of a time if jerry makes that move and go get brother simmons um jerry jerry just he just keep throwing shade and we got a D-tackle that's making two to three million dollars a year.

1:01:57Shannon Sharpe:Okay, Jerry, you got off Micah. You didn't have to pay the 200 million dollars. It's moving along. But guess what? Those picks that you got, you're going to have to give them up if you want somebody at the trade deadline that can help your team. Because I know you don't think somebody just going to hand you over one of their best defensive players for what? They say, oh, you got three first-rounders. You want this player where you had three now you got one or you give up one of those first round and a second round or something so but the question is is simmons available because simmons can stop the run and he can rush the passer right so the question is who's available and what are you willing to get what what are you willing to give up to get him right that's what that's all about ocho and the play Yeah, you have the capital, you have the cap flexibility, and you have the draft capital to go to satisfy.

1:02:58But think about this. Even if you do have the capital, who are you going to go get that's going to make a difference, that's going to make a change, that can put a dent in some of the issues that you have right now? I mean, who? It would still have to be a big name. It would still have to be a name that's going to cost you because anything else outside of that is just going to be another body. And I don't mean that in a disrespectful way. It's just going to be another body. That's it. Taking up space. Not someone that can actually make a difference for you defensively and change the trajectory.

1:03:34Look, ooh, I'm messing up my words. Trajectory of your defense.

1:03:38Shannon Sharpe:Look, if I'm Cleveland, Jerry, give me three first-rounders and a second-round pick, I'll give you Miles Garrett. Well, then you put yourself right back in the same situation you would have been in if you had kept Micah and paid Micah. So you right back in the same boat, claiming this is not what we needed. You said we got better. Jerry said we got better when we let Micah go. If I put my finger to Jerry's back and says, who's better, Micah or Miles Garrett, who you think Jerry's going to save? Miles Garrett. Okay. am I wrong or am I right yeah you're right I believe he'll say Miles Garrett I get what you're saying too you say well okay you gave up all that you what you acquired so you got a very similar player but I believe Jerry believes that Miles Garrett is an upgrade of some staff I'm not saying head over heels I'm not saying too but I believe he's believes he's an upgrade over Michael Parsons well then it would still be the same thing because also he said I let Michael Parsons go because when we did have him, we didn't win a Super Bowl.

1:04:41So are you saying Michael Parsons is going to be the one to come here and change? Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett is going to be the one to come here and change that? Are you going to win a Super Bowl? Are you going to get close to winning a Super Bowl than Miles Garrett?

1:04:52Shannon Sharpe:I'm trying to find difference makers that can help the Cowboys. Who is the difference maker? Okay, Trey Hendrickson. Do you believe Hendrickson's available? Is Jeffrey Simmons? I don't know. We'll find out. Hold on. So today is the 15th. So we're about 19 days. We're about three weeks away from finding out what's going to be available.

1:05:18Shannon Sharpe:Also, the Titans have fired Brian Callahan just six games into his second season. As head coach, his team was 4-19. The Titans were 3-14 in Callahan's first season, finishing with the number one pick and selecting Cam Ward. With Callahan firing, the past four quarterbacks drafted number one overall. Six of the past eight seen their head coaches fired during their rookie season. Trevor Lawrence, Urban Meyer, Bryce Young, Frank Wright, Caleb Williams, Matt Eberflues, Cam Ward, Brian Callahan. Ocho? Yeah. Who do you think? It's not the coaches. It's not the coaches. It's the owners. Hey, Chad, stay with me real quick and understand this.

1:06:12The owners have to understand that when it comes to football, right, the owners are businessmen, huh? And the stuff that they do, the stuff that they're passionate and enthusiastic about outside of football in the business world, the one way to fix it is you throw money at it. You throw money at it and that return on investment, it happens right away. When it comes to the game of football, this ain't a microwavable play. You don't draft the quarterback, have a new coach and put him out there on the field and think you're going to have success right away. That's not the way it works. That's never been the way it works.

1:06:52Now, sometimes you get a quarterback like you get a C.J. Shroud, you get lucky. You get a Jaden Daniels and you get lucky. You get a franchise-altering quarterback right away that changes the trajectory and speeds up the process of being a consistent team that can win. But listen, Brian Callahan getting fired, obviously, first year with Cam Ward. It's not the microwave. This ain't food. You can't just put it in there and heat it up, and all of a sudden, you're going to have success. It just doesn't happen like that. It never has.

1:07:27Shannon Sharpe:they don't have patience Ocho. They're not letting anything develop. You know, I used to have a saying, I get my chickens by smashing the eggs, not by letting them hatch. There's a process in which an egg hatch into a chiclet. These, what these owners are doing, they're smashing eggs. They're not going to let it hatch. They fired the general manager. They fired Brable. They fired Rand Carthon. And guess what? Now they fired Brian Callahan. And what are they doing? They don't know. Do they do it? my point exactly. So obviously they're not football people. They're businessmen. Well, here's the thing.

1:08:05Shannon Sharpe:She is Amy Adams. I think the last is pronounced skunk. Strunk. Her father, Mr. Bud Adams. Bud Adams. Yeah, okay. I know who that is. I know who that is. He passed away and turned it over to her. I don't know how involved she was at the time. So you inherit this business. And if you haven't invested or spent a whole lot of time in it, you don't know a whole lot about it. You're trusting other people to run the business. Now, at least when Jerry passes away, hopefully that's not for another hundred years, his kids have been in the business from day one. So they're going to understand how this business works.

1:08:52Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. So they have been a part of it since he purchased the team in 1989. They've been a part of it. I don't know how involved she was with it. So, and you're trusting other people. I don't know how involved they were with it. So it's tough, Ojo. It's tough. and it's not like a another business because Ocho if your business is not doing well you just don't you just don't sell it you just don't scrap your a start buying the ceo start finding the vp the coo you don't start finding a whole bunch of people you give it time yeah you have to you don't have a choice you have it like but but those that are in positions of power i don't think they understand how the game of football works.

1:09:46You're drafting number one for a reason. Yeah, you're terrible. You're drafting number one for a reason. That quarterback is going to have his ups and his downs. Yes.

1:09:57Shannon Sharpe:I mean, that's just the nature of the business. But they say, well, these young quarterbacks go into dysfunctional franchises. If they was functional, he wouldn't be there. What the hell? There's a reason why you got an opportunity to pick first. Right. You're bad. how would that be fair that kansas city win the championship and then they get the first pick in the draft the eagles win the champ win the super bowl they get the first pick in the draft we talked about this the other day is that the lakers won the championship in 82 and guess what they got they got to select james worthy number one overall okay how is that fair right damn yes no so normally the best so normally the collegiate best player or what is deemed the best player goes to the worst situation because we want that guy to catch up if we just put the worst the best players on the best teams they would stay bad

1:11:01I just

1:11:03Shannon Sharpe:they just they're not going to give it time Mocho. They're just not going to give it time because you're going to have to pay these quarterbacks. These quarterbacks are only going to be getting$3 million. Excuse me,$300 million. Yeah, absolutely. And so there's like... But this is the problem that scares me. If you only gave Catlihan two years, right? Yeah. You draft a Cam Ward. I'm not sure how much time he... I'm not sure how much... how many years are in his rookie deal. Do you have the patience with him? They got four plus to fifth year option. Do you have the patience with him? as well. So I don't know.

1:11:40Stuff like that scares me. It scares me, especially when you fire a coach that early, knowing that you're drafting or you're picking in a position you're picking for a reason. Bringing another coach and still not having the players is not going to change a goddamn thing.

1:11:58Shannon Sharpe:I'm trying to think a quarterback that didn't. I mean, hey, Baker Mayfield. wasn't uh um freddy k fired doing baker's rookie year right so this is not this is not new this has been going on you go back to last you go back to the last decade plus and go back and look at them one overall picks and see their quarterbacks get fired during that first year that's crazy because a lot of times he was there uh the year before and they get the working quarterback and niggat, you got to go. Yeah, okay, Hugh Jack, okay. Okay. So, see? This is not something new. It's been going on, but I think now we're starting like, damn.

1:12:51Shannon Sharpe:What do you expect from a team that let Derrick Henry go, you didn't get anything for him, and you traded away A.J. Brown for Trillin Brook? Burks. And now he's in the Denver, I think, today or last week working out. So do you think that is a team that is equipped? No. You let Derrick Henry walk out the door scot-free. You traded A.J. Brown. You had one of the better coaches, Mike Rabel. And you fired him.

1:13:27Damn.

1:13:28Shannon Sharpe:Who gonna be the next coach? well Mike McCoy was on the staff so he was taking over he was the head coach at the Chargers so he's the interim he was the offensive coordinator in Denver when the Denver went to that Super Bowl and they got the doors blown off him but he he was at I think it was San Diego then and they ended up moving they went to the playoffs his first year but then he ended up losing his job. So he's the interim coach at this point in time. I just don't think they have an idea. You trade your best player, the best coach you've had in a very, very long time. You fire him. You've gone through two, three general managers in a span of five years.

1:14:20Shannon Sharpe:That's not the continuity that you need in order to build a winning program. I just don't I don't know if they're going to get it right this time around either, Joe. Well, listen, listen, if they don't get it right, we might as well put our goddamn name in the hat and see if we can come away with. Give us a little opportunity. You know, we could diversify our portfolio. No, I'm good. My portfolio is diversified. Okay. Okay. It don't hurt to add a little more now. Can you imagine Shannon Sharp, general manager, Tennessee Titans? I've made it abundantly clear. I want no part. I want to cover the NFL in this capacity.

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