Best of NFL News Part 1: Russell Wilson CALLS OUT Sean Payton + Rams LB Byron Young Joins the show!

25 Oct 2025 · 46 min · 20 chapters

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In short

The hosts debate Russell Wilson’s clapback at former coach Sean Payton after Payton’s comments praising QB Jackson Dart, arguing Payton’s continued “cheap shots” are unnecessary and rage-bait. They also discuss online racial slurs aimed at former player Isaiah Rogers and how fans weaponize social media.

Guests (and backgrounds)

Byron Young, Los Angeles Rams defensive linebacker/edge rusher. He played running back and stand-up linebacker in high school, grew up in Georgetown, South Carolina, attended the University of Tennessee, and was drafted as a third-round pick. He discussed his transition to pass rushing, learning from defensive tackle Aaron Donald, and offseason training (including Pilates).

Key claims

Wilson’s response was “classless but not surprised,” and he finally “stood up for himself” after years of media/coach provocation. The hosts say fans target players’ performance, not their character, and that racist behavior has “no room” in sports.

Notable examples

Wilson’s tweet calling Payton out; Payton’s mention of talking to John Mara before the QB switch; Isaiah Rogers’ DM/IG backlash after an Eagles game; Rams pass-rush “race to the quarterback” with teammates like Braden Fiske, Kobe Turner, and Aaron Donald.

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Russell Wilson vs. Sean Payton

1:24 to 1:34

Discussion on Russell Wilson's response to Sean Payton's comments.

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Russell Wilson vs. Sean Payton

2:00 to 2:55

Discussion on Russell Wilson's response to Sean Payton's comments.

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Russell Wilson vs. Sean Payton

3:13 to 8:00

Discussion on Russell Wilson's response to Sean Payton's comments.

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Analyzing the Situation

8:00 to 14:14

Further analysis of Russell Wilson's character and the fallout from the comments.

“And Russell, I know you're going to see this.”

Russell Wilson's Privileges Under Sean Payton

14:17 to 22:28

Discussion on Russell Wilson's privileges and team dynamics in Denver.

“I said some things, and everybody called me a lot.”

Confrontations and Personal Rivalries

22:29 to 24:33

Exploring personal rivalries and the nature of public criticisms in sports.

“Somebody to go laugh and joke and get up out the chair.”

Confrontations and Personal Rivalries

24:59 to 25:56

Exploring personal rivalries and the nature of public criticisms in sports.

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Byron Young's Journey to Football

28:00 to 29:39

Learn about Byron Young's journey from working at Burger King to NFL.

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Transitioning Positions in Football

29:40 to 31:31

Discover Byron's transition from running back to linebacker in high school.

“because you kind of, it's like two tryouts.”

College Experience at Tennessee

31:32 to 33:06

Byron shares his college experience and aspirations for the NFL.

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Learning from AD

33:07 to 34:28

Insights on what Byron learned from playing alongside Aaron Donald.

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Goals for the Upcoming Season

34:29 to 38:19

Byron discusses his personal and team goals for the NFL season.

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Training and Preparation

38:20 to 41:15

Byron details his offseason training and improvements for the new season.

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Discussion on Age and Potential

42:00 to 42:50

Exploring how age affects perceptions in football and the potential for upcoming players.

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Isaiah Rogers' Tough Day on the Field

42:50 to 43:50

Analyzing Isaiah Rogers' performance and the backlash he faced from fans.

“Ocho, Isaiah Rogers had a bad day on the football field.”

The Impact of Social Media on Athletes

43:50 to 46:20

Discussing the pressures athletes face from social media and public opinion.

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Racism in Sports and Society

46:20 to 48:40

Examining the ongoing issue of racism in sports and the responses from teams.

“Well, they got a black car that have unlimited access to say whatever you want to now in the climate that we're in now.”

Understanding Personal Relationships and Hate

48:40 to 50:30

A discussion about personal feelings and interactions with those who harbor hate.

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Reflections on Social Media During Career

50:30 to 55:28

Reflecting on the impact of social media and audience reaction during their playing days.

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Reflections on Social Media During Career

56:53 to 57:20

Reflecting on the impact of social media and audience reaction during their playing days.

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0:00I turned off news altogether. I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything. It's the rage bait. It feels like it's trying to divide people. We got clear facts. Maybe we can calm down a little. NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News. Reporting for America. This is Tab Ramos from Inside American Soccer. And this summer, Topgolf is turning into the ultimate soccer destination. They've got a new soccer-themed game you can play with your group, exclusive food and drink items. They've even installed full-size soccer goals so you can try to hit golf balls right into the net.

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3:04Shannon Sharpe:Hello, it's your favorite sports thunk here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you. So please subscribe or you're going to make Ocho cry.

3:20Shannon Sharpe:All right, guys, we're going to get into it. Russell Wilson, he clapped back at his former coach, Sean Payton, after post-game comments praising Jackson Dart. Let's take a listen to what Payton had to say. You know, they found a little spark with that quarterback. I was talking to John Marin not too long ago, And I said we were hoping that that change would have happened long after our game.

3:47Russ tweeted back, classless, but not surprised.

3:52Shannon Sharpe:Didn't realize you're still bounty hunting 15-plus years through the media. Let's ride. Now, Sean Payton later responded today that he was just talking about, you know, he was praising Jackson Dart. Now, he mentioned that he had talked to John Mara several weeks earlier before they even played, before they had even made this switch. Y 'all know I'm Bronco through and through. Like Sean Payton. I know Sean Payton. We had a very, very close mutual friend, Mike Ornstein. Mike Ornstein passed away. Rest in peace. Yes. I know Sean very well. No, you didn't have to. Everybody knows how you feel. Yeah.

4:38Shannon Sharpe:About Russ. Yeah. Russ probably feel the same way, but would never say anything. I'm a little surprised Russ even responded to this. I like it. Oh, Joe. But here's the thing. You can only be able to take so much. Absolutely. Because what you see is just like they keep going and keep going and keep going. And then are you weak? You weak. So Russ responded. I don't have a problem with Russ saying. But, Sean, come on now. Ocho, are you surprised Russ responded, and are you surprised this thing has really got legs and kind of started running on its own? I like the fact that it has legs. I like the fact that it has legs.

5:26Sean Payton, he already tried Russ on the sideline. He tried Russ on the sideline, berating him and talking trash to him. actually provoking Russ, hoping he would break character, hoping he would show a different side than who he actually is. He kept calm, mild-mannered. Now he takes shots at him again.

5:46Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. For no reason at all. And I love Russell Choir Boy Wilson, but I love the fact that he stood up for himself. Russell Wilson, Matthew 539. In the Bible, it says, turn the other cheek. with his time, Russ say, I done ran out of cheeks. I'm finna clap back. I'm finna fire back at you. I'm finna stand up for myself. And I like him showing some enthusiasm and getting in the fire for a change instead of just letting, you know, let it be water off a duck's back. Man, talk your shit, Russ. It's okay. It's okay. Hey, guess what? What? Ain't no person named Shannon in the Bible. I ain't in there. You keep talking back, taking your cheap shots at me, I'm gonna put something on you.

6:31Shannon Sharpe:Come on now. And that's what Russ did. Remember, Ocho. Come on, Russ. At some point in time, enough has to be enough. You made your point. You didn't want me. You moved on. You have a quarterback in Bo Nix that seems to be that he's the guy for the Broncos' future. I've gone to two. This is my second team since I've left the Broncos. I ain't bothering nobody. Russ, you can like or dislike Russ. But the one thing that you can't say that he's not bothering anybody. he's not talking down he's not saying anything negative about anybody never so my thing is why hey let me say anonk and joe russell wilson if you want to talk about quarterbacks and the way to conduct yourself as a professional athlete on and off the field he's a consummate pro he is the ultimate pro when it comes to doing your job going to work being a family man being a husband doing everything the right way right the fact that he finally got outside of his character for a change is exciting for me.

7:31I like it. I enjoy it because now, listen, at some point, you got to put a nail in the coffin because if you don't put a nail in the coffin, they're going to keep digging your grave. I agree. They're going to keep on digging your grave and keep digging at you for no reason. There's no reason for, and I know Sean Payton as well. There's no reason for you to do that, but you understood. Listen, I got to send duck. I got to easy duck. He ain't going to say nothing. He ain't going to fire back. But finally, we get a new Russell Wilson. I love this. I love this Russell Wilson. And Russell, I know you're going to see this.

8:01Anybody else say something, you better fire off of their ass, too.

8:06Shannon Sharpe:Go ahead, Joe. Hey, I agree with both of y 'all. I think, you know, I think Russ is more so like, you know, enough is enough, man. He ain't saying nothing. He's been going about his way, you know, tending to his business. And they still taking cheap shots at him. I'm with him, man. I'm glad he responded. I'm glad he said something. Be petty-betty. Go back at him. I'm serious. It doesn't matter how mild-mannered a person is. Eventually, eventually, you look at any animal. It might be even the dog. But at the wild, he's going to lash out at you. It's going to lash out because it's only going to take so much.

8:47So Russ felt that, okay, former teammates have been taking shots at him,

8:52Shannon Sharpe:you know, X, Y, and Z, and saying all these things. And now he's like, bro, how much more crap do y 'all want to dump on me and say, man, y 'all just pouring perfume on me? Because at some point in time, Ocho, enough is enough. Yeah, yeah. You've made your point. Okay, okay, I'm fine. I get it. I get it. I didn't live up to the expectations that I had, the coaching staff, the organization, or the fan base of Denver. I didn't meet those expectations. I accept that. but I'm gone there's no need there's no reason for you to mention you can praise Jackson Dart yeah without taking a dump on me absolutely absolutely hey look praise praise your guy but why would you have to take a shot at me and you like I said he said that he was just praising Jackson Dart but you said that you had talked to John Mara who's one half of the owner of the Giants weeks ago.

9:56Shannon Sharpe:Even if he had done that, he could have kept that to himself. He didn't have to share that. He didn't have to share that, Ocho. He could have just said what he said, like, you know, and maybe with his coaching staff or with his close buddies when he's having a drink. I told John, I was like, man, I hope y 'all make that change after us because it's just a matter of time. Cool. And nobody, the way Jackson Dart is playing, I don't think anybody's upset that they made this move. I told Ocho, I said, Ocho, over, under. I said, I'm looking like, I'm taking the under. Ocho just said, no, I said, I'm taking the under.

10:32Shannon Sharpe:Because I had seen enough in the preseason, I said, Ocho, they're going to make this change sooner than later. Yeah, yeah. But I just don't, the continuation of beating down Russ, it's unnecessary. I know you're excited. Joe, you know we win a game, Ocho. We win a game. We ain't saying, yeah. We beat them sorry. Yeah, we beat them sorry raps. Yeah. But y 'all thought y 'all had us dinner. 33 in the four. 33. I get all that. But come on now. Winners enough enough, Ocho. How much am I supposed to take? I like it. Matter of fact, he should have cursed in the tweet. He should have cursed. Go all the way there.

11:16It wasn't enough for you. Nah, listen, I like it. He, listen, he fired back, but he fired back in a professional manner.

11:23Shannon Sharpe:Absolutely. Man, come on, man. Hey, Russ, next time, man, man, man, what? I put, let me put the tweet together. I'll put the tweet together for you. Nah, hell no. Hey, listen, but what was it about? Why would Sean Payton bring that up, honestly? Like, what did that have to do with anything? Listen, this is all about. I turned off news altogether. I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything. It's the rage bait. It feels like it's trying to divide people. If we got clear facts, maybe we can calm down a little. NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the facts. Let's move forward from there.

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14:16Shannon Sharpe:The privileges that was bestowed upon Russ before Sean Payton got there. Yeah. I said some things, and everybody called me a lot. Me and Ocho and I was having a conversation, and everybody wanted to tell me, Shannon, you don't know what's going on because you're not there. I said, you do realize I'm still held in very, very high regard in Denver. Right. You actually think I would say something like this and it not be the gospel? I say, hey, I'm Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. When I speak about something coming out of Denver or Baltimore, it's the gospel. I don't really talk too much about it because y 'all, they know, but they try to undermine me.

14:57Shannon Sharpe:They try to say you not in the locker room or you don't know what I'm talking about. But y 'all don't realize how often I call around the league. And a lot of things that's going on that get reported, that ain't my job. I ain't Adam Schefter. I don't try to be. I'm not Jake Laser. I don't try to be. But I know a lot more than what I say. And when it comes out, like. They got mad. I said it. Sean got there when the organ when they were explaining the privileges that Russ got. Sean, like, are you in me? Are you kidding me? It's like, no, we like that. He's like, no, that is not normal protocol. all nobody in the history had ever had a situation like that and from that point on once he heard that it was over he would have needed to throw for 50 touchdowns 4 000 yards and get them to the afc championship other than that it wasn't gonna work so instead of trying to listen to what i was trying to say trying to explain what was transpiring and why so many people were out on rust in denver they wanted to talk about oh you're talking bad about a black man you wouldn't say that about a white guy when i had called tom when i had called tom brady and and peyton manning and and tony romo and aaron rogers and all these other quarterbacks but see long as i'm talking about them it's fine right all i was saying i didn't say russ was a bad person i said he got privileges and it made it made his teammates feel a certain type of way sort of alienated itself we on ocho we know who makes the money yeah but just because you make more money we don't want you getting privileges we don't want you having offices that none of us like hold on really yeah so from that point on sean felt some type of way he felt some type of way and i get it i get it but that man been gone for two years now it's time to let that go yeah yeah i joe uh uh you know what it is it's the same thing with Mello and George Carl George Carl keep on poking Mello Mello don't mention George Carl but every chance he gets he tries to poke Mello Mello's going to have to draw a line in the sand and say MoFo if you step across this line again I'm going to have to unleash you know he ain't got no problem doing that you know Mello ain't got no problem drawing that line he's going to have to because every time he's always speaking negative.

17:27Shannon Sharpe:Oh, they couldn't win no championship with that guy. He wouldn't play defense. He wouldn't do this. I get it. You don't like Mello. Everybody is not going to like everybody. But, bro, you hadn't coached Mello in damn near two decades. Yeah. What is the issue now? Can we just move on? I mean, obviously at that point, it'd be better if coaches come out, especially when they continue to do this and they have things to say years removed from dealing or coaching a certain individual, why don't you just come out and say, you know what, I don't even like this individual. And it's personal. It had nothing to do with the sport.

17:59It had nothing to do with basketball. It had nothing to do with football. Nothing to do with him playing quarterback or whatever it may be. I just don't like him. And that's okay. It would be better suited for us as a public and fans of these sports to come out and have Sean Payne say, you know what, I just don't like Russell Wilson. I don't know what it is about him. I just don't like him or George Carl you know what I don't like Carmelo whatever it may be what's understood don't need to be spoken yeah you know yeah man I don't I don't well if say if

18:34Shannon Sharpe:if if somebody continuously cheating on the other party yeah what do we what does he need to say what does she need to say none you keep doing what you're doing when you know it's wrong yes I don't need no Harvard attorney to try to read between the lines. You're telling me the mere fact that you keep taking shots at me publicly is one thing if it's getting back to me, Ocho. But the mere fact that you're putting it in print, the mere fact that you keep saying it publicly, I can read it for myself, I can see it for myself, tells me how you feel about me. But I already knew that. I'm like I've been trying to take the high road try to remain remain professional I'm trying to build a brand I don't want to do anything to tarnish that but hey bro I understand that's not what you are you don't try to build a brand you're not really on television people go to you when they want to get they want to get clicks they want to get a rage bait material they'll come to you and you'll say something Mello is one of the 75 greatest players to ever play in the NBA we understand what Melo is now he's a hall of famer so automatically if somebody says something negative that's going to get picked up that is Melo that's his former coach I I just don't I just don't get it we don't have to like all of our teammates we don't have to like all of our coaches I've had I had a great relationship with all the coaches maybe one or two I didn't really jive with.

20:06Shannon Sharpe:It's okay. But I would never say anything publicly. Absolutely. For a teammate. It's only so much, bro. It's only so much. Bro, I'm 57. I got grand now. What I'm talking about, what happened 25, 30 years ago? What purpose does that serve? In a negative light. Yes! Yeah, none at all. None at all. I mean, listen, I get along with everybody. I'd assume... I try to. I'd assume everybody loves me the same way I show love. There's only one person I don't get along with. And if I ever see him, it's on site. And... Y 'all left, huh? What'd you say, Joe? Who was that? You don't want to say? Oh, James Harrison.

20:51Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's personal. It's personal. And I say it every day. And I let him know. I can't wait to see him. Obviously, he doesn't live here in Miami. but the only place I'll probably see him, what, maybe Super Bowl?

21:05Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Yeah, so I'm sure we'll probably cross paths, maybe, you know, radio row or some shit like that, and either he going to have security or it's just going to be a thumping session. Ocho, I don't know if you want to climb that tree, man. Hey, one thing about me. Hey, let me tell you something. Hey, Joe, in high school, they called me Paul Bunyan. You hear me? Hey, I'm chopping everything down. All the trees. Hey, hey, hey, as your player partner, man, I'm trying to listen. You might want your pass on that one, bro. Hey, Joe, brush up on your NFL knowledge. What you want to know, Anx? I seen, hey.

21:40Shannon Sharpe:No, I'm just saying, I might need a new partner. Okay, okay, say less, say less, say less. Say less, I'm with you. Hey, the fact that y 'all don't have no faith in me, man, that y 'all not Christian. Hey, hey, hey, Anx, basically saying you gonna be concussed, you gonna be out for the rest of the season. We got to look, we got other business ventures that we're trying to get to, Ocho. Oh, we gonna get there no matter what. We gonna get there no matter what. I mean, if you can't talk for like six months. Oh, I'm gonna be, man, trust me, I'm gonna be okay. Hey, listen, if you see me in a fight with a bell, you might wanna help the bell.

22:18Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Hey, Joe, I don't need no partner when he move in the chair like this here. You hear me? I can't use no partner like that. I need a real partner. Somebody to go laugh and joke and get up out the chair. Hey, Ocho, I got a question. What's your game plan, though? Y 'all getting into Oxagon? What y 'all doing? Hey, listen. Octagon, street, boxing ring, it don't matter. On site. It don't matter, Joe. Like, I'm at that point. Like, I'm kind of frustrated because I keep challenging him, and he really don't want no smoke. He's not responding. That lets me know, I mean, all that size and muscle don't mean nothing, man.

22:57Shannon Sharpe:OK, hey, hey, from me to you, bro. Just keep your distance, stick and move. Hey, that's what I'm going to do, Joe. Yeah, there you go. Hey, look at my range, Joe. My range is out there. Yeah. I'm going to keep him out of distance, Joe. Like, I might get mid-range in there and get close up on him. No, no, don't do that. Don't do that. No, don't get close. Keep that distance. Use that jab. You got to use that jab, baby. Hey, Joe, I'm going to use that thing, Joe. I'm going to use it. I'm telling you. Man, listen. Listen. Hey, one thing about it, man. God always been on my side. God always been on my side.

23:35You hear me? And all my bad.

23:36Shannon Sharpe:I am on your side. I'm going to pull him off you. I mean, but y 'all sound like y 'all ain't on my side. Y 'all telling me I'm going to be hurt, and I ain't going to be able to talk. Yeah, it ain't going to be looking good. All right. But no, what we're trying to do, Ocho, We're trying to keep you safe. I'm safe. I'm safe. When I get in the car, I put my seat. I turned off news altogether. I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything. It's the rage bait. It feels like it's trying to divide people. We got clear facts. Maybe we can calm down a little. NBC News brings you clear reporting.

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27:34Shannon Sharpe:Oh, we got a very, very special guest joining us tonight. Time for the league, League and Saks with nine. A third-round pick out of the University of Tennessee, a volunteer. He grew up the youngest of 13 siblings. Wow. Byron Young, Rams, Los Angeles Rams. Bro, how you doing? I'm doing great, man. Appreciate y 'all having me. Nah, bro, appreciate you coming on. Seriously. You on one side, Jerry Burst on the other. You got the big guy pushing collapse in the pocket. How fun is it rushing the passer in that situation? because it's first come first serve. You know you got to get off because Vurts on the other side.

28:15Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's always a, you know, race to the quarterback. You know, I see him like this, you know, saying, you know, meet me there, beat me there. You know, having Braden Fisk and Kobe Turner in the middle with Jared Vurts on the other end, you know, you have no choice but to get off. So, you know, they just motivate me and push me to go harder.

28:31Shannon Sharpe:I was reading the story. Back in 2018, you were working the ship at Burger King in Dollar General. You saw a flyer on the store bulletin board is like Georgia Military College holding open trials for football. Hold on. You're like, hold on. Man, let me take this apron, this fry cap off and get back. So did you play football in high school? Yes, sir. I played in high school. I just really went and recruited for real. Really? Nice, yeah. So you go, so you go, you go trial. So what did they have you do? You had to run drills. You had to run a 40. So what did this trial encompass? Basically, it was a 40, kind of like what you said.

29:17You had to do the bench press at 225. You had to do, like, change directions. And, like, they basically were doing, like, measurements to see where you were at. And that was kind of, like, it for the most part. It was, like, 100 guys there. Were you the only one that made it?

29:34I was... I was the only one that made it off the spot. So, like, it was the other guys that got called back because you kind of, it's like two tryouts. You kind of like have the second tryout in the spring when you kind of have spring ball. But I was like the only one to make the team from that, though. Wow. Hey, most of the time when you're growing up, too, obviously in the NFL, you play defense in. When you were younger, what position did you play? I know you weren't playing D-in back then. No, I played running back. What? You were toting that ball? You were toting the pill? What? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

30:04I played running back all through high school. That's why I'm, like, always big fans. Right. So, at what point did your body, you know, grow into actually now I can be on the defensive side of the ball and you got a little bigger? Well, actually, my senior year, like, I was, like, big in high school. But my senior year, I played both sides. Right. And I played stand-up linebacker my senior year of high school. So, that's kind of like transition after that. Are you from Georgia? No, I'm from Georgetown, but I moved to Georgia after I graduated high school in 2016. Georgetown, South Carolina? Georgetown, South Carolina, yes, sir.

30:39Hey, matter of fact, you know what? I got a small look. You ain't know this, right? See? Hey, B-Y, you ain't know I know this. You and Melissa Jefferson come from the same small town, too. Yeah, yeah. We went to the same high school. It was on the same track team. All right. Wait, you ran track, too? Yeah, I ran track my senior year. Wait, what race? I went on the 4x1. Okay, okay.

31:01Shannon Sharpe:Okay. So you get called. So how did you end up at Tennessee? Honestly, that was the first Power 5 school to offer me. Really? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I feel like it was a sign from God. So, you know, I just went with them. Man, and you got, hey, playing in the SEC. So was that always your dream to play in the NFL? You just had, hey, took a little detour, took you a little while. But, hey, you ended up where you ended up. and you got to ultimately your ultimate destination. Was that always your goal? So what did Byron wanted to be when he was growing up? When he was a kid, he was eight, nine, ten years of age.

31:39Shannon Sharpe:What did you want to be? I always wanted to be in the NFL. I always wanted to go in the NFL. I'd be lying to you if I told you that I just knew this would have happened, like, based off my journey. But, like, my mindset was I just never wanted to quit, you know. I always, like, wanted to somehow get back into playing football. But I really just didn't know how that would look like, you know, growing up. Like just being around a lot of people that really didn't really make it to the NFL. So it's kind of hard to kind of navigate and find your ways through there. So like, you know, it was just unpredictable, but I always can't fade.

32:09Shannon Sharpe:Wow. That's that man. That's unbelievable. That's an unbelievable story. So you get your, so you go to university of Tennessee, you have an outstanding collegiate career and now it's draft. So what were the scouts telling you? Did you know you go, did they tell you, okay, you might be a first round pick. You could be a late first round pick, early second. Did they tell you day one, day two? What were you hearing when you were coming out? I was really hearing day two. Some said possibly day three, but mostly it was day two. My biggest knock was my age, so I was like an older guy. I didn't like how mature I was with my age, so it really was always day two, but possibly day three because of that.

32:49Shannon Sharpe:You found a home now, rushing the passer. This is your third year, right? Yes, sir. So you got one year with AD. Got one year with AD. Oh, yeah. Man, can you, do you sit back and think, say, man, can I imagine me versus AD right now knowing what I know now versus knowing what he knows now? And you're talking about arguably the greatest defensive tackle to ever play one of the five greatest defensive players. Woo! And the way our offense can score and we ahead and now I just get to hunt the quarterback. They got the double 99. They got two. I think about that every day. I just feel like I got two.

33:26some, you know, some of it. I feel like I took it for granted a little bit my rookie year, but I just said I was learning, you know, I was growing, but like now I just look back at my 30s. I was like, man, if we, if we could have him too, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, I'm just thankful that I had one year, you know, with him and him, you know, teaching me things and, you know, just being my mentor and stuff.

33:47Shannon Sharpe:What were some of the things that he taught you? So to watch him, obviously he plays the three to five. It's a different, you're mainly an edge, you're on the edge normally, occasionally you put your hand in dirt, but you like to rush the passer from a stand-up position. Sure. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Stand-up. I kind of was doing that at Tennessee for the most part. That's when I kind of started dropping, though. So, yeah, stand-up, outside linebacker. But, you know, being with AD and some of the things he kind of taught me, just be patient. You know, I feel like as a rookie, you're always trying to be perfect.

34:14You're always not trying to make mistakes. So, I feel like coming in, I stress so much about, like, I'm trying to be perfect. I'm not trying to do this wrong. And, you know, he always just said, you know, just be patient. Just let it come to you. You know, like you're going to make mistakes and just learn from them. But, you know, that was something that always stuck with me. And so coming into the season, obviously with it being your third year, obviously you have team goals, but have your personal goals, obviously I'm sure the sacks and the trajectory you are on right now so far this season, are there any other goals you had set in mind from an individual's perspective going into this season?

34:50Oh, definitely. making my first Pro Bowl, you know, being all pro. You know, that's always been a dream come true for me. You know, that's something I always wanted, you know, just, you know, just watching the guys I looked up to, like Bond Miller and those guys like that, like one of my favorite players ever, and just watch how they just go about business and, you know, every year making a Pro Bowl. And it's just like, that's something I always wanted to do. So coming into, you know, my third year, my goal is, you know, off-field, of course, as a team, make it to the Super Bowl. But for myself, all pro, you know, pro bowl, you know, and defense player of the year, that's why I'm reaching.

35:25You know, every day I work, that's why, you know, that's what I'm trying to accomplish.

35:29Shannon Sharpe:You know, B-Y, the easiest thing you'll do is make it to the pro bowl once. Now, what happens when they get that? You know what? We're going to sit our game plan to B-Y. Now we slide the protection. Now we have the back chip on his way out. Now we have the tight end chip on his way out. Now, the second pro bowl, the third pro bowl, those are the ones that get hard because now they know what you can do. And now you have expectations for yourself. The fans, management, they have greater expectations because they saw what you've done. You've gone to the Pro Bowl. You're like, hey, I got nine sacks.

36:01Shannon Sharpe:Hold on. I think we got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. We got nine more. We got nine, 10 games? Hold on. If I can get a sack a game, get a couple of two-sack games, maybe I can get 20 sacks. Oh, yeah. And now you're like, hold on, 20 sacks? they don't have to come see you they pay big bucks for 20 sacks I can go back about all of Georgetown yeah hey what's the name Stan Stan what Stan Cronky tell Stan we want 49 a year yeah 50 50 so coming into the obviously you know your third year What are some of the things you work on? You got great get-off. Obviously, you can convert speed to power.

36:52Shannon Sharpe:So what was you working on? And obviously, each year you work on something to try to improve, to get better. Because sometimes the moves that you worked on that worked this year, it might not work. I'm not getting rid of them, but I got to have another trick in my bag that I need to pull out, especially when I got to get off the field. We got to make sure we get off the field. We got to make sure we keep them out of field goal range. We got to make sure we keep them out of the end zone. So what were some of the things that you was working on this offseason, B-Y? You know, this offseason, going into my third year, just looking back at my first two years, I just feel like I wanted to take a different approach.

37:24So I took on, you know, Pilates. I started doing Pilates three days out of the week just to build my body and, you know, just have – Strengthen that core and get flexible. Yeah, working on little muscles, you know what I'm saying, with longevity and stuff like that to help prevent injuries. So I feel like doing Pilates definitely helped my body type and helped me being able to big, thin, getting off the ball faster, you know, flexibility and everything. Bend the corner, you know how I do. So it's like those are some of the things that I was doing. I was really consistent at it. I feel like I've seen the different things that helped.

37:54And just putting it in your work, you know, getting more get-offs, working my technique more, getting more film studies, studying myself, you know, and studying what I lacked my last two years. And I was just trying to improve from that. So my goal every time I step on the field is improve, you know, something I didn't do good yesterday, whether it's, you know, whether it's foster wasn't using my hands, you know, whether it has, if I always try and just like get better at something, you know, every practice. So that's kind of my approach that was taking OTAs and count.

38:24Shannon Sharpe:You guys still run the hoop that circle that, you know, you try to ride it and stay as low as you possibly can. Y 'all still do that? Well, we, we kind of do that. We kind of do something else with the medicine ball. We like have the medicine ball. we kind of fill up our hips, but we kind of like do it around the whole hoop, but we don't, I know what you're talking about. We don't really do that too much. So when, at the end of this season, look, hey, your third round pick, oh, they got to come see you after this year. They got to come see you, B-Y. Oh! So you're going crazy. You really trying to leave?

38:57Shannon Sharpe:Oh!

39:00Shannon Sharpe:It just dawned on me. It just dawned on me. What is he doing?

39:08Shannon Sharpe:I was going to get this 20 piece out here. You know what I'm saying? That's always the goal is just, you know, try to get to that second deal. So I'm definitely working for that for sure. Yeah. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Man, congratulations on all your success, man. I mean, it wasn't. Oh, let me ask you this. The youngest of 13. How many, how many, how many brothers? How many, how many boys? How many girls? Nine boys and four girls. And you the youngest? I'm the youngest, yeah. Man, mom and pop wasn't playing. That's dope. That's dope. That's loud. Hey, so I'm talking about, so when y 'all get, oh, Georgetown.

39:48Shannon Sharpe:So y 'all eat some of anything down there. I know about that low country. Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. All the hogs. Y 'all put everything in a pot. They call it potluck, Ocho. They put it all in a pot. You lucky if it don't kill you, but they going to eat good. nah thanks so when you go back home so what was it like so you go to the NFL is there anybody from Georgetown how close is Georgetown the Monk's Corner like Somerville and that how close are you to that Charleston is like an hour away an hour away is there any form hold on I think is Jumpy Gathers from down your way yeah Yeah, that's my family.

40:32They from Chumpy. They from around the way and Georgetown, too. Yeah.

40:36Shannon Sharpe:I play with Jumpy. Oh, yeah? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They from around the way. I play with your man, Jumpy. Oh, Lord, Jumpy, the country is... Man, hey, I don't know what he had, but he had some stuff in a green bottle. He rubbed it on his knee, rubbed it on his ankle, and then drank it. He's talking about, you want to try something? I said, nah, I'm good. I'm like, you know, my knee don't hurt no more. That was different, for sure. Y 'all, you got home remedies like that? I mean, not like that, but we got some stuff that we do. But that was, yeah, I ain't never heard of that. That's probably way back in the day.

41:11Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Hey, B-Y, thanks for joining us, man. Continued success. Stay healthy. And you lead the league in sacks. Come back and tell us how you did it. Yes, sir. I appreciate y 'all having me, man. Thank you. Y 'all, we appreciate you coming, man. Get some rest. Stay healthy. Best of luck the rest of the year. hey, this offseason Stan Kroker give you that five year 175 200, 200, we need two I ain't gonna say no more I got you, I got you good luck, all the best thank you hold on, let me use the bathroom go ahead man, that's a, he's a, you can see he's a very, you can tell he's mature, and you know And you see, now you see, you heard what they say?

42:00Shannon Sharpe:Because of his age. Now you see why them guys try to get out of school early. Because they hold that against you. Because they look at it like, if you're that good, why are you still in school? They use the man's age against it. Now he got an age. He going to hit that jackpot, though. He going to get paid. And deservedly so. I love people that, you know, he's a fighter come from Georgetown. Not a whole lot, you know, going on down there. But he's like, hey, same thing with Melissa. and to see where he's, where he came from and to see where he's headed, man, he seems so mature. He seems like he got, you know, he's well-grounded.

42:41And man, I'm excited.

42:44Shannon Sharpe:I'm excited to see what this season and what it unfolds for him, Ocho.

42:53Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, Isaiah Rogers had a bad day on the football field. He gave up a 79-yard touchdown to Devontae Smith. He gave up a touchdown to A.J. Brown. And his DMs was on swole, but nothing caused him to deserve it. Look at what he said. We got it up on the screen. Go effing face. You effing suck. Effing third down. You know it's a pass. You just gave the Eagles the win. Good eff face. you know with all that's fell if they really want to get up under your skin you know they go hey they got to put that in in there they got to put that they got to put that one in there always uh you're worse than Hitler Hitler never been picked up worthless piece of crap waste of air N word again oh man that's funny boy That's funny.

43:55And listen, at this day and age, as growing...

44:02Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, you're going to talk to me. Oh, Joe, Denny, Denny's like, all right, bro, my bad. Just lock in. Nah, nah, nah, don't delete it now. No, keep that name. No! What you mean, all right, just lock in. No, no, no, no, no, no. You should have just, that's what you should have said at first. Come on, bro, hey, lock in. Nah, but you want to get all that on. you understand the climate we're in you understand the climate we're in they're fans when you're playing well when you're not playing well they'll tell you and talk to you truly how they feel about you that's all it's the world we live in but once you realize Ocho they applaud what you do not who you are you're fine the mistake is that they applaud what you do, not who you are.

44:56And listen, they're not a fan of you. They're a fan of the team that you happen to play for. Exactly. And then guess what?

45:03Shannon Sharpe:Because that's how he really feel. Because when I get upset, the first thing that I go to, when I get somebody, the first thing, I ain't thinking the most, what is the worst thing that I know? Oh, you're in? Or... that ain't what I do.

45:26Shannon Sharpe:But they try to go, what's the lowest thing? What is the most hurtful thing that I can say that I can get a rise out of said individual? And you can get a rise. You can get a rise if you really care about it. He probably see Isaiah Rogers. What's up, Rogers? Hey, bro, what up, man? Dapping him up. I just don't get it. I just say. That's right. I never will. That's right. I mean, I don't know how other people react to it. Words, stuff type. Don't let that stuff bother me. I could care less. It go in one ear, not the other. Well, did you get this? Did they have Twitter and IG when you played? Yeah, towards the end of my career, yeah.

46:08Shannon Sharpe:Oh, okay. Yeah, I didn't care. I didn't care. I didn't care what you say. Oh, yeah. I understand the world we live in. I understand even though you can't see it, the way people feel, it's still out there. Oh, yeah, for sure. And I understand that. Well, they got a black car that have unlimited access to say whatever you want to now in the climate that we're in now. We're as divisive as we've ever been as a country. I don't see it getting any better on the horizon. I stay in my lane. I ain't got time to argue with y 'all. I'm not going back and forth with y 'all. I know how y 'all feel about me.

46:45Shannon Sharpe:I'm going to stay in my, I'm going to keep it moving. Go ahead. But I've been very blessed, Ocho, is that when I've traveled, and you and I both travel a lot of work, everybody is great. I haven't met with not one person. It's the people that hide behind their computer screens. You know, everybody got thumb muscles. What kind of muscles? Thumb muscles. Because they tight, real, real tough.

47:15Shannon Sharpe:Hey, that's funny. Yeah. Damn, man. Okay, I'm sorry. I know what I did was wrong, and I should never done that.

47:27Shannon Sharpe:Why you shouldn't have never done that? So now, your boss might see that. It might cost you your job. Hey, you changed your tone up real quick. Yeah, he didn't put your name. Oh, he lucky he could have been messy too now. He could have been very messy.

47:51Shannon Sharpe:that's that's a part of it it's always been a bad think about this Ocho that's because he played bad you used to get this just because you were that color think about if he went through this think about what Jackie Robinson went through think about what all the black players went through think about they had a rule I ain't gonna even say look when they used to be in the NFL they wouldn't allow black players in but we ain't gonna talk about that Ocho think about that just because just because I hadn't done anything I just want to make a living that's it I'm going to feed my kids that's it

48:39yeah

48:40Shannon Sharpe:yeah when he picked up the gap the statement from the Minnesota Vikings we are disgusted by the racial slurs directed at Isaiah Rogers following yesterday's game. As we have said previously, there is simply no room for racist words or action in sports or society. We support Isaiah and all players who unfortunately experience this type of ignorant and prejudicial behavior far too often, and we ask our fans to continue to fight to eliminate racism. Yeah. Hey. Yes. We've been putting out quotes and speeches and putting symbols. logos and slogans painting the street love over hate end racism it's not stopping it ain't going nowhere it ain't going nowhere I just how you treat me I understand it I know you don't like me we ain't got to deal with each other we ain't got to deal with each other if I know somebody doesn't like me why do I why would I go why would I go to anything that that person is having why would I give I don't follow people that don't like me I don't go to their page that's what I don't get oh you don't like something that I said you're on my page I didn't say it to you I don't get it I don't and I never would you know what Ocho everything is not meant to be understood I mean, if you understand the history of it, you know it's not going nowhere.

50:16Oh, I understand it. You know? You know, you have some that are genuinely not like that. Genuinely not like that. Don't have a hate and a bad bone in their body.

50:29Shannon Sharpe:I think, you know, the thing is, and obviously, clearly, I've been retired two decades and none of this was out when I was done. But I'm not so sure I would have been on social media when I played during the season. I had a singular focus and, you know, look, everybody wasn't happy. Everybody's not going to be happy for you. But I, Ocho, when you went to Pittsburgh, you expected them to be. Tell me, just keep it, just keep it, just keep it, hey, we're going to keep everything above the belt. No low blows. No. you ain't got to call me to end. You ain't got to talk about my mom and stuff like that.

51:14Shannon Sharpe:All that ain't necessary.

51:18Because you and I both know if I'm walking down the street,

51:22Shannon Sharpe:you ain't going to say, all that stuff that you say on Twitter and that you all tough about y 'all not going to say that. I'm not. No, at least I haven't met anybody. People look, can I, can my son take a picture with you? I mean, I get sometimes, hey, bro, I don't want to take no pictures. And Ocho, you'll see him do this. Hit the thing, hit the turnaround on the camera and still try to snap it. I'm like, bro. Yes. Oh, you be sitting in your seat, Ocho, and all of a sudden they pretend like they looking at something.

52:00Shannon Sharpe:I'm looking just like, Ocho, I'm just like this here. I'm like, really, bro? You're not going to ask. You're just going to take it without my permission. Right.

52:11hey

52:16Shannon Sharpe:I was in there Jordan was with me the other day so this guy come up to me like man can I take a picture I was like bro he's like I don't normally do this so why you doing it I said well how many famous or semi famous people you see in the airport I've never seen anybody that's why you don't do it he make it seem like he just he walking down Rodeo Drive and see A-list celebrities and he passing them up but he said yeah I don't normally do this I said well how many you know famous people or semi famous people you see in the airport I've really never seen no one I said well that's probably why you don't do it a random person not going to let you take no picture with them it's so funny when people say I normally don't do this listen I hate to bother you I hate to bother you but I'm finna bother you anyway basically come on man just take the picture but they wait till they get done eating I'm just about to eat so they getting ready to leave Ocho

53:29Shannon Sharpe:I'm at the gym they done got their workout in you mind if I get a picture well let me get my workout in like you got yours in and we get one afterwards how you gonna get your workout in finish up then you gonna interrupt my workout you didn't interrupt your workout now when you was working out not one time did you say could you get a picture cause you was focused on getting your workout now I'm trying to get mine in you mind if I get a picture yeah hey listen people already know if you catch me in public you good you good you good I be having people feeling like I done went to high school like I got people feeling like it's a goddamn high school reunion like we went to school together some shit

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