Best of NFL News Part 2: A.J. Brown MADNESS, Anthony Richardson DELUSION!

9 May 2026 · 57 min · 22 chapters

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In short

NFL draft and quarterback development talk, plus reactions to AJ Brown trade rumors and Anthony Richardson’s fit in a West Coast offense.

Guests (hosts/participants)

The episode is a roundtable with Joe and Ocho (former NFL players/locker-room voices) and Chad (another NFL commentator). No separate guest names or bios are provided in the transcript beyond these roles.

Key claims

  • Cowboys allegedly “duped” the Steelers by trading up/down based on tipped information that Pittsburgh would draft USC WR Makai Lemon; Steelers were “pissed” and felt embarrassed.
  • Steelers’ alleged contact with Lemon while not on the clock violated draft etiquette; Lemon was reportedly on the phone with Steelers when Eagles tried to reach him.
  • AJ Brown was predicted to be traded (post–June 1st) to the Patriots; hosts argue “irreconcilable differences” and fit with coach Mike Vrabel.
  • Anthony Richardson needs discipline/work habits more than system; West Coast concepts could help if he “locks in.”
  • Quarterback success depends on processing/mental work and full-time commitment; owners are impatient with rookie QBs.

Notable examples

  • Mentioned: Malik Willis (LaFleur system), Tom Brady/Peyton Manning (processing edge), RG3, Jaden Daniels, CJ Stroud, Dak (timing/rookie impact).
  • Brother-pair NFL examples: Shaquille & Shaquem Griffin, Jason & Devin McCourty, Watt brothers, Hayward brothers.

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NFL Draft Controversy: Cowboys and Steelers

2:56 to 4:45

Discuss the Cowboys' controversial draft tactics that angered the Steelers.

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Business of the NFL: Trust and Betrayal

4:45 to 7:20

Examine the cutthroat nature of NFL team interactions and trust issues.

“Who cares if the Steelers are pissed off?”

NFL Draft Picks: Analysis and Reactions

7:20 to 9:21

Analyze recent NFL draft picks and discuss team performances.

“I don't know what Pittsburgh was thinking in this situation.”

Draft Regulations and Ethics in the NFL

9:21 to 14:01

Understand the regulations surrounding NFL draft discussions and interactions.

“Yeah, Zach, no, Zach Martin went to Notre Dame.”

Steelers' Draft Controversy

14:01 to 17:00

Discussion around the Steelers' reaction to draft player interactions.

“You can talk to the representative or you can talk to the players, Ash.”

Draft Anxiety and Career Paths

17:01 to 18:28

Exploration of the pressures of the draft process and its impact on players.

“Hey, boy, that's a hell of a feeling, though.”

Significance of Draft Position

18:29 to 20:00

The importance of draft position and the evolution of player contracts.

“as opposed to when we were playing and when we got drafted.”

Brotherly Bonds in the NFL

20:01 to 21:20

Discussion about brothers playing in the NFL and unique sibling dynamics.

“Hey, what kind of advice did he give you, Uncle, when you were going through your process?”

Historic Sibling Duos in Football

21:21 to 23:18

Examination of famous sibling pairs that played together in the NFL.

“You probably got a handful of instances, Ocho.”

Anthony Richardson's Development

27:26 to 28:00

Analysis of Anthony Richardson's career progression and expectations.

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Anthony Richardson's Future in the NFL

28:28 to 29:19

Discussion on Anthony Richardson's potential career revival and system fit.

“Anthony Richardson is reportedly looking for an extension of the McVay Shanahan LaFleur tree, which to learn from.”

Work Ethic and Success

29:20 to 30:58

Exploring the importance of work ethic for quarterbacks and players.

“not rapping, not all the side quests not all your hobbies that you focus in being the first one in and being the last one out.”

Criticism and Expectations

30:58 to 32:58

Debate on the criticism faced by quarterbacks and the expectations of leadership.

“I've never heard in my 14 years of playing, in my years of covering, something of this magnitude.”

The Evolving Nature of the NFL

32:58 to 35:35

Discussion on how the NFL has changed in terms of player expectations and development.

“You can play Cod and all your time and your off time.”

Challenges for Rookie Quarterbacks

35:35 to 36:50

Analyzing the difficulties rookie quarterbacks face in the NFL.

“Once the draft happened in April, You took a break.”

Mental Game of Quarterbacking

36:50 to 39:42

Understanding the mental aspects that make a successful quarterback.

“And they look at the quarterback as a CEO.”

Preparation and Performance

39:42 to 42:00

The importance of preparation and how it affects quarterback performance.

“And you got to want it more than somebody wants it for you.”

The Hard Work Behind Success

42:00 to 43:32

Explore the unseen effort that athletes put in to achieve their success.

“the way Unk just explained it is why they never told me to stop what I was doing because everything Unc just said, that's what Marvin and all them, they got to see that part.”

A.J. Brown Trade Speculation

47:00 to 56:01

Discussion on A.J. Brown's anticipated trade and the reactions around it.

“Brown was going when they going to trade him?”

The Evolution of Football Practice Gear

56:01 to 58:01

Learn about the changes in football practice attire and attitudes over the years.

“Zay Flowers don't want to keep his pads on all that damn fumbling he be doing.”

Nostalgia for the Competitive Spirit

58:01 to 1:00:01

Hear reflections on the competitive nature of sports and personal growth after football.

“I miss having structure and discipline and having to get up for something.”

Memories and Value of Sports Memorabilia

1:00:01 to 1:06:21

Explore the significance of keeping or letting go of sports memorabilia and personal belongings.

“Joe, I left that storage there, Joe, maybe by 10, 11 years.”
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3:05Shannon Sharpe:All right, now we head to the NFL. Joe, your Cowboys reportedly screwed the Steelers last night. Let's take a listen to the report that Chris Harris from the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, this is what he said. Pittsburgh is pissed about this. They feel like Dallas duped them. They, especially with the draft being in Pittsburgh, they felt embarrassed on a national stage. So there was a wild development that happened in the war room, not only in Dallas last night, but also in Pittsburgh and in Philadelphia. So the Cowboys are sitting there on the clock at pick 20. They were planning on taking Malachi Lawrence right there, but they did entering that pick.

3:43They wanted to trade back. They had been tipped off somehow that Makai Lemon was going to be the pick for the Pittsburgh Steelers, the USC wide receiver. There's a lot of connections with that new Pittsburgh staff. Remember, Mike McCarthy is a new head coach there. He hired a lot of, you know, assistant coaches and executives and scouts and, you know, people behind the scenes that were in Dallas just a couple of years ago. So it could have been as simple as someone in the Dallas war room just shooting a text to somebody in the Pittsburgh war room being like, hey, who are y 'all taking here? and them thinking, oh, the Cowboys are taking defense.

4:15You know, this is just two guys, you know, two girls talking right here. It's like, oh, we're taking Makai Lemon, you know, and the Cowboys call Philadelphia. Cowboys call Philadelphia. They're like, hey, the Steelers are going to take Makai Lemon. We know you want a receiver. Come up here, do this deal with us and give us two fourth round picks. And they did the deal. And Pittsburgh is pissed. Multiple sources have told me this morning. Damn. I love that.

4:37Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. I love the Cowboys being petty. And yes, that's right for them. This isn't a Boy Scout troop, man. We're trying to win a championship. Who cares if the Steelers are pissed off? There's clips out there of Makai Lemon being on the phone with the Pittsburgh Steelers and then him being like, hey, why is Philadelphia calling? And his agent's running in the room. Philly just traded for you. It's going to be Philly. And he has to hang up on the Steelers and answer the Eagles phone call and take that. And he's drafted at the 20th overall pick. Hey, that's how business work, ain't it? That's why they, Joe, that's why they call it the war room.

5:11Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. All it. Hey, listen, when it when it's time for war, ain't no loving that. You can't. I don't try to. I'll give you a prime example. I know y 'all don't remember this story, but I do. Y 'all do realize that somebody stole the secrets to Coca-Cola formula. Tried to sell it to Pepsi. Guess what Pepsi did? What did he do? Told Coca-Cola, got the FBI involved and got the ass arrested. All right.

5:40Shannon Sharpe:Why? First of all, I don't blame the Cowboys, but why would somebody in Pittsburgh ever divulge that information? Why would you do that? Ocho, if you said it's the war room, that means I'm at war. With all 31 other teams, I'm at war. Why would I divulge any information about who, what we're potentially going to do? you know how this business goes right it ain't fair it never has been if we have an opportunity to get one up on another team I don't got no problem with it I have no problem whatsoever my problem is with the Steelers and they thought they could trust someone I ain't got no friends Ocho you go to another team you go to the Patriots man Ocho what y 'all do what y 'all looking like out there man man, where they got you playing at?

6:39Shannon Sharpe:Aw, man, I don't even know if I'm going to play this week. That's what I'm saying. Right. Right. Anything that I say, they're going to go back and tell the D.C. or they're going to tell the offense, man, this is what Ocho told me they're doing. You dumb-dumbs. Shit, hey, hey, you know the Cowboys got two picks off of that, though, didn't they? Yeah. Didn't they get two picks off of that? Yes. From Philly moving up? Yes. Yeah. Plus, you got to realize Dallas and Philly, this is not the first time. They did this with Micah and Devontae. Philly wanted Devontae Smith. Dallas had to pick. They's like, okay, we'll trade back.

7:17Shannon Sharpe:Just don't take Parsons. Okay, no, we want Devontae Smith. They agree. Yes. I don't know what Pittsburgh was thinking in this situation. I don't know why. Why would that guy divulge that information, Ocho, Joe? Why? He felt comfortable, Unc. Had to. He had to feel comfortable talking to them boys, but. Hey, it's a dirty business. Hey, Uncle Joe, it always has been. Not only with the players, but obviously those that wear those jackets and those ties, it's still a dirty business. You know, we saw this thing in baseball. Who is that? where we saw the Houston Rockets, Houston Rockets, the Houston, the Astros were stealing signs.

8:07Shannon Sharpe:They banging on the drums. We saw the card where somebody had all that, their portfolio, the information, the analytics and all that. Yes, absolutely. Yeah.

8:19Shannon Sharpe:Hey, we got here. Hey, them Cowboys got some good pickups over there, didn't they? I love the Caleb Downs. How the hell, how Caleb Downs slipped us like that? it seems like somebody said he had some knee issues is that correct

8:36Shannon Sharpe:I mean from what I've been hearing hell they were talking about how he's like one of the if not the best prospect in the draft yeah he up there he one of them he's a great pick that's one of those picks you really can't miss and y 'all got another another edge nah Nah, Jay Sean Barham. I think Ed's rushing like a BN. When they draft him, did they? Okay. Yep, third round. Hold on, didn't they get Rodriguez from Texas Tech? He was the Bronco. He was the, what do you call him, outstanding defensive player this year, the linebacker from Texas Tech. Isn't he going to Dallas? No, he's going to Miami.

9:19Shannon Sharpe:He's going to Miami. Yeah. He's going to Miami. He reminds you of Ocho? Who was that? Zach Thomas. Kiko Long. Zach. You remember Zach Thomas? He was number 10. He was number 10 at Texas Tech, right? Number 10? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Zach went to Texas Tech too, didn't he? I think so, yeah. What did Zach Thomas call? I think Zach Thomas, the linebacker. Yeah, Zach, no, Zach Martin went to Notre Dame. Hey, matter of fact, matter of fact, when I think about the draft in the first two rounds, and I think about giving team grades based on what they've done so far with the first two rounds, the goddamn Cowboys get an A.

10:03Goddamn Philadelphia, they get a goddamn A. I don't know what... Hey, Howie Roseman, I don't... He just made for this stuff, huh? He just made for this stuff. Whether it's his draft, whether it's offseason acquisitions, whether it's playing players early, you know, a little earlier than you're supposed to. If you trade them A? Everything he does, he always does it right.

10:21Shannon Sharpe:If you trade them A? What trade did they mean? Yes. They got Grinner, who was opposite of Anderson. I talked about it last night. I said, Ocho, I've been hearing that he was on the market. Guess what? They trade for him, four years, 100 million, boom, done deal. Now we got another pass rusher. Damn. So the receiver, he for sure up out of there. AJ, he for sure out of there. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. June, June. He'll be over there. He'll be over there in Boston. He'll be over there in Boston. Pass. He'll be happy. I mean, look, it happens sometimes. Sometimes you have irreconcilable differences, and sometimes we can part amicably.

11:03Mm-hmm. Yeah. It happens. Hey, Chad, I'm curious to chat what they think about the draft and as far as the teams, what grades would you give some of this? What grade would you give your team, your favorite team, on how they've done so far in the draft? hey bang bangles bang i mean people you know people will laugh well what we've done defensively y 'all got better ocho hey i mean listen i can't say we got better i know we got some hell of a pieces i can't can i say that am i can i say that up jared allen huh we got sexy dexy uh a young bull young bull from texas yeah and him yeah joe man cash is cash is how he like that Now, I'm just looking at what I'm seeing on film, you know, based on the highlights.

11:53Twitchy, aggressive. Hey, he nice. And he got a little dog in him. He out there talking trash. Most of the time, you don't see that too much, especially from defensive linemen. Hey, we're going to be nice. If we get Shamar Stewart to come out this year and show the progress and improvement. He was the first-round pick last year. He didn't do much last year, but we get him coming along this year, man. Hey, Miles Murphy, I like it. Now, we improved defensively. It's one thing to have names, but it's another thing when the goddamn bullet's flying, are you going to show up on Sundays when they count?

12:31Shannon Sharpe:Hey, what your Ravens and your Broncos do? They get better? They took an offensive lineman. I think both teams took offensive. No, I'm trying to think, what did the Broncos take? Hell, I don't even know. The Ravens took, I know the Ravens took the offensive lineman from Penn State. And they took defense, I think they took defense in the second round. I see. They had an early pick in the second round. I see them Browns got them some receivers, some offensive tackles, didn't they, man? Yeah, I told Lucho they need receivers. They need some receivers. Shit. Ocho, what are your thoughts on the Steelers calling Malachi Washington when they work even on the clock?

13:09Shannon Sharpe:No. Lemons. I was watching them. What the hell did I get watching? Lemons. Malachi Lemons. Makai. Makai, not Malachi. Mackay went to the Cowboys. Jake Rosenberg said, clubs that are not on the clock may have discussions with representatives of one or more draft-eligible players, not yet selected or discussion with players themselves regarding the player's interest in playing in the league, playing for a particular club or type of club, the player's health or other non-financial matters, so long as these discussions do not interfere with discussions between player and clubs that is on the clock.

13:53Shannon Sharpe:So I don't know why Steely, you're not supposed to even talk. So guess what? So they in the wrong. Look, you can have a discussion. You can talk to the representative or you can talk to the players, Ash. Right. It says you may have discussion with the representative of one or more draft eligible players not yet selected or in discussion or discussion with the player themselves. So theoretically, since they weren't on the clock, they shouldn't have to have a conversation. Yeah. Right. You're not supposed to be able to do that, though. So, yeah, I got no. Hey, so good. You're supposed to lose. You could talk to the you could talk to the agent, but you're not supposed to be having a conversation with said player, with the player, with the player.

14:41Shannon Sharpe:So Steelers, I don't know why you mad.

14:45Shannon Sharpe:One lowdown dirty deed deserves another. Hold on. What player are the Steelers mad at? The Steelers was on the phone with Makai Lemon when they weren't on the clock. So Dallas doesn't deal with Philly. Philly landed Jet. That's how you ended up over there. Okay, okay, okay. You're supposed to be able to talk to his representative, but you're not supposed to be on the clock with the player unless you're on the clock. He wasn't on the... Steelers weren't on the clock. Because if they were on the clock, guess what? There wasn't nothing Philly could do. Right. But since they weren't on the clock, Dallas said, hey, you know what?

15:28Shannon Sharpe:We ain't selected him, so let us go ahead and pick up a couple of extra draft picks that might help us out down the road. Hello. And Makai Lemon, boy, he upset too. Why you say that? He upset. He upset. He felt he was one of the better players in the draft and should have been going a little earlier than Woody Diego. He got a little chip on the shoulder. Obviously, there were rumblings and talk about the way he does his interviews and his mannerisms, the way he conducts himself when talking, but that's just him. That's just him. He's not Peyton Manning. He's not Tom Brady. They just don't like the way it comes off, the way he does his interviews.

16:05But, hey, this man here to play football. He's here to play football. You know, how he conducts himself when the camera and the mic is in front of him, that has nothing to do with what he does on the goddamn field. But he was pissed off. And you can tell. You can tell. So I hope he go out there and do his you-know-what thing.

16:21Shannon Sharpe:It's reported that the Eagles were trying to get in touch with Lemon, but he's on the phone with the Steelers. Because you know if you're strapped and you're on the phone, Ocho, what's the likelihood of you clicking over? Because you're already on the phone with the NFL team. So whoever's calling is not nearly as important as who you're on the phone with. Right, right, right. Not even close. So they're like, well, damn, we're trying to call a little boy. This the number he gave us? Because, you know, you got to give them a number. Where are you going to be? They're asking for your number. Where are you going to be?

16:50Shannon Sharpe:Are you going to be in Miami? Are you going to be in Oregon? Are you going to be here? Are you going to be there? What's the best number? Is there a second number? Nah, this is all the number I got. Yeah. So they try to get in touch with him. They're like, well, damn.

17:06Shannon Sharpe:He click over. Hey, congratulations, Makai. We just selected you. Huh? I was talking to the Steelers. It's a dirty game. Talking to them about what? Dead on the clock. It's a dirty game. Hey, boy, that's a hell of a feeling, though. The draft, that's something you'll never forget, bro. That's something you'll never forget. It's a hell of a feeling. Yeah, it's nerve-wracking. Hell, if you didn't have anxiety, you probably got it that day. You feel me? Yes. You know what I tell you, Ocho? Guys need to understand. It's not high, high. It's where you go. That's the most important thing. We've seen guys go high, go to the wrong situation.

17:52Shannon Sharpe:We've seen guys go to the right situation. Tom Brady. And flourish. Went to the sixth round. Yeah. Maybe somebody else. Hey, he gets cut. They kept four quarterbacks in New England. That's unheard of. Four active quarterbacks on the roster. Coach Belichick saw something. He was so convinced that this guy had something. Say, you know what? Hey, just do scout team stuff and don't even worry about it. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, that's not the way the players think about it too long. You know, everybody wants to go early. You're right. Obviously, money plays a huge factor in wanting to go early. but the money so much is so different now as opposed to when we were playing and when we got drafted.

18:34Hey, you can go in the goddamn third round and still be sitting damn near world pretty.

18:39Shannon Sharpe:Hey, second round is getting first round of money now, aren't you? Compared to what first rounders normally get. You do realize, I think all first rounders contracts are guaranteed. Mm-hmm. That running back got, the running back, he got the most guaranteed money ever. 50. 50. 50. Yeah. Yeah. I see why his parents were doing this all night. Yeah, they should. Hey. What about the kid who we had on here, Avion Terrell? He got drafted by the Falcons. He was by the Falcons. He played with his brother. Oh, man. That's so hard. Hey, that's so dope. That's crazy. Oh, man. Has there ever been a tandem of brothers that actually played together on the same team at the same position.

19:28Shannon Sharpe:Not that I know of. Damn. I can't think of anything off the top of my head. Hey, and they both from here. Yeah, they're from Wesley. Damn. Hey, can you imagine that? A.J. Terrell on one side and his brother on the other side. Oh, that's crazy. That's sick, bro. See, you can do that if you're on the defensive side. I wasn't trying to play with my brother. He a ball hog. They throwing that ninja the ball, man. Man, that guy drafted. He had just come out of the lead in the league. He had just come out of the lead in the league in catches. First team all throw. 92-93, he went back-to-back over 100.

20:08Shannon Sharpe:Nah. Damn. Hey, what kind of advice did he give you, Uncle, when you were going through your process? Oh, yeah, Ocho. They did. There have been a few. Shaquille and Shaquem Griffin for the Seahawks played. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember one was a linebacker, the other was a DB? Yeah. Jason and Devin McCourty played with the Patriots. Oh, no, I'm saying they – no, they – okay, okay, you're right. I'm just saying in the draft – I mean, draft them to the same. Oh, no, no, no, no, not draft them. No, no, no, no. They ended up playing together. I mean, actually, one player – your brother already being there.

20:46Do you actually get drafted to the same team your brother on?

20:49Shannon Sharpe:Not at the top of my head, Ocho. Okay, okay, okay. And Derrick and T.J. Watt both played with the Steelers. But I think Derrick ended up when he was drafted by the Chargers, wasn't he?

20:59Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, Shaquille and Shaquille was drafted. They both got drafted to the same team. One was a first-round pick, and I think the other was a second-round pick. They both got drafted to Seattle? Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, that's dope. And that's got to be the best. Oh, what about what you call them, Joe? What about Cam and Casey Hayward? both of them in Pittsburgh

21:26Shannon Sharpe:or he might not be was he drafted was the little brother drafted

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21:33hmm

21:40Shannon Sharpe:Connor Connor was he drafted to the Steelers or we were the free agent

21:47I mean

21:48Shannon Sharpe:I mean to be from here and playing for the fountain. Bro, that's... He was drafted Hayward. Connor and Cam Hayward. Damn.

22:06Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, obviously. You probably got a handful of instances, Ocho. If you go back and study the NFL, maybe you got a handful of history. Right. Instances in which guys have gotten drafted. Brothers have gotten drafted. Maybe they played at a later date and time, but to be drafted, man, that's unbelievable. That's dope. As parents, they got to be one of the greatest feelings in the world. One of the greatest feelings. I mean, obviously with Donna Kelsey, what she was able to do. Oh, yeah. I mean, Terrell's parents. I mean, the Watt family, the Manning family. That has to be one of the greatest feelings, man.

22:46The barber. Golly. Oh, yeah. Rondé and Tiki. Yeah, man. That's dope. Pouncey.

22:56Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Sonoris and Santana Moss. Trying to think. The list goes on, man.

23:08Shannon Sharpe:But you know what, Ocho? What happened? I mean, they got some very, very touching, heartwarming stories. But I only know one set of brothers. They got these. There you go. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, you right about that. Hey, I like that. I like that. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh. Here he go. Here he go. Hey, so Chauncey got a gold one too? Nah, nah, nah. Hey, listen, I'm the only one with a 14 karat gold bust. You hear me, Honjo? Hey, Chad. Hey, hey, hey. only one with a 14K. Hey, wait till I get my arm. Hey, it look like me, huh, Joe? Yeah, it look like you, bro. Hey, that dome, you got a little knot up there on your dome.

23:55Shannon Sharpe:He got that little knot up there. Uh-huh. See, you should... Hey, you should have been working with Chauncey. Got Chauncey to be playing football. Nah, Chauncey a hooper, man. Chauncey, he don't like football. He don't like that contact. Hey, Joe, you talking about playing me? My brother... Who is your brother? Nah, whoop your brother's ass. Hey, hey. Don't bring your brother in this mess. Hold on, hold on, Joe. Both of my brothers, my brother Chauncey, my brother Sam, I promise you that they'll take you buckles, boy. Line it up. Line it up. No, you think you slick. You ain't getting away from me.

24:36You gonna deal with me, boy. You gonna deal with me, boy. You gonna deal with me.

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28:33Shannon Sharpe:Ocho! Anthony Richardson is reportedly looking for an extension of the McVay Shanahan LaFleur tree, which to learn from. This comes in progress Malik Willis showed under Matt LaFleur in Green Bay this past season and led to a three-year$67.5 million contract with the Dolphins. Injuries limited Richardson to 17 appearances, and a performance when he did play left a lot to be desired. He has thrown for 2 ,400 yards, 11 touchdowns, 13 interceptions, while completing about 50 % of his passes. Ocho, could a West Coast system help Richardson revive his career similar to Willis? I think any system would really help him if he lock in.

29:16It's not about the system he's in. It's about you locking in. It's about you taking what you do serious, not rapping, not all the side quests not all your hobbies that you focus in being the first one in and being the last one out. It had nothing to do with the system. It's you. You know? That's all it come down to, Unc. That's all it... The work you put in the results show up on Sundays.

29:44Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. When you don't put the work in, Joe the results show up that you ain't put the work in. It shows up on Sundays. Absolutely. Don't get mad at the results you didn't get for the work you didn't put in. There you go. That's all it come down to. But Ocho, you remember when we were talking about this, let that man have other things. He ain't got to be there all day. Now, where they at in the chat, Ocho, when you and I was on this thing in the very beginning? Where y 'all at in the chat now? That's the one position. Let him do what he want to do. If he gets his work done, Ocho and I just happen to play the game at a very, very high level, Joe.

30:21Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. extremely high level. You played at a high level. I tried to tell him, if all you do is what the coaches ask you to do, you'll never be great. No, sir. No, sir. But oh, your big mouth, you and Ocho don't know everything. I said, okay. I said, but at that position, it's all encompassing. Hey. But I want to know, Chad, where are y 'all at now that y 'all criticized Ocho and I? Man, you don't know. I said, it's a bad look that he left the game because he was tired. It's a bad look. I said, they had a team. Think about it, Ocho. They had a team damn meeting about a rookie quarterback. Yeah. I've never heard in my 14 years of playing, in my years of covering, something of this magnitude.

31:11Shannon Sharpe:But the chat, people that's never played, want to tell guys that's been in the locker room, that's been leaders in the locker room, and what it takes to be great. But now they know more than us. But okay, I'll let y 'all have it. Now where y 'all at? I ain't heard not one person. Yeah, it's different, Joe, especially at that position. And people say, oh, Joe, man, all sharp, man, talk too much. But you never said I didn't know what I was talking about. Hello. Hello. Boy, them sharp boys, they sure talk a lot. When have you heard them say they don't know what the hell they talking about? That's the one position you can't cut no corner, Joe.

31:47Hey, QB. You can't cut no corners. You can't. You got to be invested. I'm talking about 24-7. On the field, off the field, in the film room.

32:02Shannon Sharpe:And that's why they cut no corners. How great do you want to be at it, Ocho? That's what it comes down to. How great do you want to be at it? Yeah. Because you can be really good and do it half-assed. Yeah. The same thing, Ocho. Remember we said I was on, what you calling? when I was at Undisputed, and I was talking about Kyler Murray. Man, let that man have a life. I said, do you understand what it takes to play that position? And y 'all, I said, let this sink in for just a second. They put in his contract that he would spend X amount of hours away from the facility watching game tape. Do you understand what that means?

32:48Shannon Sharpe:Okay. I'm going to let y 'all have it. I'm going to let y 'all have it. Y 'all know. Y 'all right. Y 'all right. Y 'all right. You can do it both. You can play Cod and all your time and your off time. You can do all what you want to do. No. But while you moving up the ranks as a Cod player in the USA or the world, you dropping in the NFL ranks as a quarterback. Yeah. Because it's somebody working, trying to catch you. Oh, yeah. And if you ain't working, you don't get exposed on Sundays. Either way. Either way. That's how I go. That's the one position you can't hide on. No. Hell no, you can't hide it.

33:34That's the one position you can't hide, Joe. Hide everybody else. Yeah, you can hide everybody else down there, Joe. I can slide the line one way or another.

33:39Shannon Sharpe:I can roll coverages. Yeah. I can blunt you. I can stack you. I can push you in motion. Yeah. The one position I can't apply to the quarterback because guess what? He got the ball every damn time. Every time. And hell, to piggyback again off what you said at the beginning and then put him in a new system, well, hell, young bull came from the Giants and did extremely well in the system that you just had yourself with the same players until he got hurt. Yeah. Ocho, you making sense. Boy, stop. Damn. same system same receivers they ain't gonna like that I mean I'm just being honest you're being truthful yeah but see Ocho when we say this you know we timing we buck dancing

34:30I just

34:31Shannon Sharpe:I won't listen I ain't one of them so they know coming from me we don't get the chances that they do so don't F the chances up that you do get yeah there you go once you get there it's easier to get there and stay than it is to get out and try to get back in. Bro, you see the money that they give it and the cap just going up. Bro, make you$300,$400 million and then say kick rocks. I'm going to go smoke weed. I'm going to play card. I'm going to play whatever else they got. I don't know the video. I just know card to do that. After you get your money though. Yes. After you get your money. Yes. Absolutely.

35:04Shannon Sharpe:That's all I'm saying, guys. I want guys to get all that money because it's there for you to get it. But don't, bro, don't let these people gas you up, talk about you can do other things. No, professional sports is a full-time job. A quarterback, just like the NFL. NFL used to be a seasonal job. It ain't no more. It ain't no more. Because guess what? Oh, so there used to be times, we didn't talk about football in May. Once the draft happened in April, You took a break. You ain't talking about in June. You ain't talking about July. You ain't talking about until guys went back to training camp. Yeah.

35:50Shannon Sharpe:Now they're covering the draft. Excuse me. Now they're covering the combine. Balls to the wall. Now they're talking about OTAs. Now they're talking about who reporting and when they're reporting. It's different now. And it used to be teams would give you an opportunity. They would wait for you to develop. They ain't waiting no more, Joe. Hell no. Nah. They ain't waiting. They got too much money tied up. They say, hell no. We're going to get something else. They very impatient. It's a good thing. It's a gift and a curse. It's a gift and a curse, though. Because now the impatience when it comes to owners and wanting the satisfaction and having success right away just by getting a high draft pick and giving them a lot of money, that's not the way things work.

36:30Now, that might be the way things work in business. Yes. Where you throw money at business and it gets you what you want. It don't work that way with young quarterbacks. You got to give him time to develop. There's a learning curve, huh?

36:45Shannon Sharpe:Don't you see that in business? If something not going well, what they do? They'll find a CEO and get another one. Mm-hmm. Yeah. He ain't doing it. They'll find another one. And they look at the quarterback as a CEO. Yes. But it get... So they get his ass up out there and get another one. Mm-hmm. Hey, but look. How many quarterbacks that came into the league as a rookie and really been effective? Like, really? Right away? Huh? On rip? Yeah. Shit. Whoo. I'm talking about as a rookie. You got to look at like RG3. Yeah, RG3 had a good year. When you look at being effective, so you're saying like being effective, have good years?

37:22Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, had a good year. Have been good to the playoffs. To where you made the playoffs, and let's say you was, you know, you had a decent playoffs. Shoot. RG3, Jaden Daniels. Jaden Daniels, CJ Straub this first year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. CJ was nice. Our first year was nice. CJ, yeah. Hell, Michael Vick had to sit and wait. Carson had to sit and wait. Brady sat and wait.

37:52Shannon Sharpe:Peyton didn't sit and wait, but Peyton said, I root for somebody to throw 27 interceptions so I can get off the list because I got the most interceptions in the rookies ever rookie. Peyton said, I want somebody to break my record. I'm breaking all the rest of them. Hey, Joe, Peyton was horrible, boy, as a rookie. Dak came in. Oh, that's right. Oh, yeah, because he took Tony Romo's spot off dunk. Yeah. Romo got hurt. Yep. Yep. Yeah. So there have been, but it's hard, Joe. It is hard for that guy to come in and he got to be the leader of a team, a first year, a rookie. It's tough. Hey, is it tough because of the game, the NFL and college, the NFL is a lot faster than college?

38:35Shannon Sharpe:Like your processing has to speed up. Way faster, Joe. Yeah. way faster. I mean, obviously, at that point, it becomes a mind game. You know, it's a mental game. I know it's a physical sport, but here, the game is 90 % mental, 90 % mental, 10 % physical. Absolutely. You have to know what everybody else is doing. You have to know what everybody else is doing. And then when it comes to being able to read and process the defense, not only the route scheme, the combination that you have going on, but knowing what the defense is doing before they even do it. So you know exactly where you want to go with the ball.

39:10So you're able to think and read and react fast.

39:14Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, yeah. I mean, if you think about Tom Brady and you think about Peyton Manning, some of the greatest quarterbacks that there are, and they're not physically imposing, you know? They're not the fastest, you know? They're not the most athletic. But they beat you here every time, Joe. They beat you here every time. Process. That's their edge. That's their middle edge. Ocho, you know, Drew Brees got bitched. He was the reason that they got the number one pick. for real remember that they got Eli oh yeah he said I'm not going first of all he got benched for Doug Flutie I didn't know that I didn't know that yes that's how they ended up they had the number one pick they ended up trading it and getting Phillip Rivers right okay yeah but also Joe you have to understand you're dealing with guys that's been in the league 8, 9, 10, 11 years and you're asking a guy to come in and be the leader guys want you to prove it in this league before you lead them they need to see you to do it they want to make sure that you that guy you show them you're the guy and they'll follow you forever because they watch it they watch it they see who the first day Your quarterback, you can't be the last in the first to leave.

40:41Shannon Sharpe:You got to be first and last. First in, last to leave. No question. Not last, first. Joe, you got to want it, Joe. You got to want it. You got to. I already know. You got to want it. You got to. And you got to want it more than somebody wants it for you. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, I might have been a clown, and they might have called me all they wanted to, Joe. But, boy, I wanted it, Joe. You were locked in? I was locked in. Joe, I ain't had no choice, Joe. I talk too much shit. Yeah. I talk too much trash through the week purposely. I'm finna give you bulletin board material. This is what's finna happen, and I'm finna go in here and practice, and I'm finna go do exactly what I said I'm gonna do, and ain't nothing you can do to stop it.

41:28Nothing. I don't care, and I don't care what defense you run. I don't care how many people you put on me. Boy, you finna get this work.

41:34Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. every week every week it was a challenge it was fun and I just turned the fun and entertainment but I had to put the work in Joe I had to study and they'll see it once they see that you serious about this yeah the work the way you practice the way you meet the way you study the way you're prepared

41:58that's why Joe the way the way Unk just explained it is why they never told me to stop what I was doing because everything Unc just said, that's what Marvin and all them, they got to see that part.

42:10Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. The way I practiced, the way I studied. I was sharp. I was sharp. See, the rest of the world saw the finished product. They saw the fun. Yeah. They seen the trash talking. They not seen all the work I'm putting in to be able to pull that shit off. Absolutely. Nah. That's it. They know, and that's why coaches let him do what he did. That's why I didn't have a problem with my coaches because they know. how much time I put in to study. They knew how much effort I put in in the off season and during the season to keep my body right. They didn't have to worry about anything. But guess who else was watching?

42:45Shannon Sharpe:Your teammates. Hello. Hello. They're watching.

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46:26Yeah.

46:32I got you, Joe. I understand. I understand there's certain things that I can say, but I sprinkled it out there a little bit, you know, like parsley. I sprinkled it out there a little bit. And, you know, the fact that I say it when I do say it, most of the people don't believe me, but when it happened, they'd be like, oh my goodness, Ocho, you was right. So a small example of me knowing what I'm talking about, but nobody really paying attention. And goddamn, in February, I told you, hey, where did I say, and I'm sure we got the video evidence that we can pull back and we can use as proof. Where did I say A.J.

47:00Brown was going when they going to trade him? What team I say we're going to?

47:05Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Two months ago, Joe. I've been telling him since what? October. I said, oh, he up out of there. Oh, yeah, he up out of there. Man, you don't know what you're talking about. All you try to do. Man, this is what I don't like about the putt. This is what I don't like about O. Because he think he know everything. Come on, now. Not one person. We can go back and pull it because we still got the comments what Ocho and I was talking about because we got it. and we can pull the comments. You don't know what you're talking about. All you do is think you know everything. You don't know everything.

47:33Shannon Sharpe:I said, man, y 'all don't hear this man talking. They winning the ball. They winning games. Oh, my thing went out. I came back. My bad. So they traded. No, Joe. It was going to be a post-June 1st. Yeah, post-June 1st. But, Joe, listen, I was saying this two, three months ago, right? Football season was over. They were having discussions and talks about him going. I said the first thing I said was, listen, young bull want to get up out of there. If you're acting, why are you in season? And then I'm thinking, what place would make sense for A.J. Brown to go for him to still be able to flourish? Hello?

48:06Go back with your coach. You was with in goddamn Tennessee. Correct. With Tennessee. With Coach Rabel. So I said right away, I said, yeah, he's going to the Patriots. I mean, it's common sense at that point. And this was damn near two, three months ago. Everybody talking about, man, shut up. He don't want to go nowhere. What you talking about? Thank you. I don't think y 'all don't understand how you're going to say.

48:31Shannon Sharpe:Oh, everybody knew he was going to get traded. You a lie. No, you didn't. You a lie because all y 'all don't come now. Oh, man. No, no, no, no, no, no. We want y 'all just like y 'all when Ocho and I wrong and y 'all want Ocho and I to admit that we was wrong. We got it wrong. I need y 'all to do the same thing. I want y 'all to run it with the same passion, with the same conviction that y 'all say, Unc and Ocho don't know what the hell they talking about. AJ say he wasn't going nowhere. They say they weren't going to trade him. Run it with the same passion. Hey, I got all the tweets saved, too.

49:03Shannon Sharpe:Yeah! I was going to go back and pull them. All the tweets saved. Because when it actually happened after June 1st, we're going to go back and we're going to pull about 15 of them. So you better go take them down. Because we like the job. Because we use all tweets against you. Yeah. Because y 'all just knew. Oh, man. He ain't say that. He said he didn't want to go nowhere. They said he wasn't going to trade him. Okay. Eagle fans where y 'all at? I know we got some Eagle fans I know we got some Eagle fans because I told you during the season they're going to trade him. I said he wants to get out there and you know what?

49:37Shannon Sharpe:It's the best thing sometimes when you have irreconcilable differences, let's go ahead and break this thing up amicably That is what y 'all wanted to hear Oh you just trying to No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no I want y 'all what y 'all normally do when Ocho and I are wrong. Oh, man, just admit you was wrong. Now I want the Eagle fan. Now come on with it. Yeah. And the funny thing. Come on with it. It's going to be a good thing. It's going to be a good thing. Let me give me a piece of candy. Hey, like the old people say, Joe, let me get a piece of this old hard candy.

50:15Shannon Sharpe:Hey, my grandma killed some candy. Help her. Hold on. the man catch a touchdown in the Super Bowl he's a second team all pro he's a Pro Bowl player he led the team in receiving and yards I don't know what else you can get and he was unhappy you remember two years ago he on the sideline reading a book the keeper blowing his top whatever you gotta do to keep you calm it got so bad they had a meeting the owner and AJ had a meeting. He said, I understand your frustration. Probably I understand your frustration, but can you not be so public? I said, I don't have a problem because I'm a firm believer you don't accept anything in a win you wouldn't have lost.

51:05Shannon Sharpe:I said, but you got to keep it behind the scenes because people are going to view you as selfish. You're winning. At one point, you had the best record in the NFC. I said, you're winning. I say people are going to look at you as being selfish because they're going to look at it as like, no, you just want your stats. And then if you drop a pass or something happens, people are going to become overly critical of you. I'm just trying to, I ain't telling what somebody told me. Ocho and I speaking from, I got 14 years, Ocho got 11. So that's 25 years of NFL experience, being in the locker room and seeing how things work.

51:45Shannon Sharpe:That's all. No, no, no. Don't tell me that Unk never meant nothing. I need you to admit. Don't tell me about Unk now. When Unk wrong again, Unk admit. I tell you what, if Sexy Dexy go out there and ball out, I'll say, you know what, Ocho, that was a good trade. Well, hold on, hold on. It was a good trade. I'm telling you it's going to be a good trade because any time we talk about football and I say something ahead of time, it's always right. It's always right. I'm rarely wrong when I say this. Since you've been talking about your bingos, your bingos ain't been to the playoffs since. Okay, that's one thing.

52:16That's just one thing Hey, now hold on, hold on now Don't you do that Hey, brother cowboy, don't you do that down there That's what you're not going to do

52:26Shannon Sharpe:Because I chime in and say thanks Nah, nah I'm just saying We talk about us not being to the playoffs I mean, we in the same goddamn boat now You know Hey, if I'm Rose, then you jack Now don't act like that

52:41Shannon Sharpe:Hey Speaking of sexy Dex Tony Pauline speaks on Dexter Lawrence trade. There is concern that while Lawrence has shown himself to be a great player at time, he's not a very hard worker Monday through Saturday. Part of the reason he wanted to be traded away from John Harbaugh. Hey, you don't want that out there about you. John Harbaugh does work, Ojo. Pads, pads, pads, pads. This is what I don't get. And I think they're talking about Zay Flowers. He said that Coach Harbaugh had them in pads, so forth and so on. Ocho, if that's what you came into the league as, that's what you know, how is that a problem?

53:22Shannon Sharpe:That's all you know. Right. It's not like you've been somewhere else. You've been at the 49ers, and they're only in pads like on Thursday for maybe like 10, 15 minutes. Right. If you came from that system and went to this system, I get it. Right. But if that's all you know, when I played with Dan Reeves, we had the pads on, that's all I knew. So if I go somewhere else that they got pads on, I'm good. I'm Gucci. Because that's what I've been doing. You know, that's probably word of mouth too, um. You know, Zay Flowers here and other players that's on other teams, the way they practice, them not having their pads on as often, especially once you get later on into the season.

54:00The fact that they're having pads on as much as possible all the way up to I mean, in a sense, I don't understand it where you want your players healthy, you want them light as possible especially you know during the week so so they they're healthy you know for for games on Sundays ah now during our time during our day I understand now in today's in today's time having pads on in every single practice as many practices as you can get pads on them boys you got them on them oh that's tough yeah but uh uh in the west coast system for the

54:37Shannon Sharpe:most part, the West Coast used to be, that was the thing. No pads on Wednesday. You had them on for 9-on-7. You had them on for 9-on-7. You thudded up. But then you take the pads off. Quarterbacks kept their pads on because they wanted to get used to throwing with their pads. No problem. But everybody else, take your pads off, set them to the side. I leave mine out there because some rookie was going to grab mine. Oh, he better. But anyway, we'll talk about that. That'll be another show we can talk about. Things that you got to do as a rookie. or a player just coming up. But I don't get it, bro.

55:12Shannon Sharpe:You playing pads. I don't get that, Ocho. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I can't even sit here and lie because, hey, Joe, some days when we had padded practices, Joe, I have on the shelves. You know the shelf, a little cushion you put on. Yeah, yeah. I have on the shelves. They call them spider pads. Yeah, the spider pad. Yeah, the spider pad. so the defense would already know they weren't going to hit me no way Joe but they can tell when I'm not wearing my god damn shoulder pads I just ain't want that weight on me I just ain't want that extra weight on me Joe I want to be out there moving fast as hell moving as fast as possible through practice you know I wear them on Sunday sometimes Marvin would say something sometimes he wouldn't yeah but them pads of practice hey Joe it used to be hell boy Zay Flowers don't want to keep his pads on all that damn fumbling he be doing.

56:08Shannon Sharpe:That might be what, he might need to keep his damn pads on. Mike didn't have a problem. All he said, I want you to dress how you would dress in the game. He said, if you wore pads, thigh pads, knee pads in the game, where am I here to practice? Yeah. That's the only, that was really the only thing that he had, that's what we said. Until them guys started coming out there with damn Tims in house shoes. Man, Ocho, because we were talking about that another time. But I'm saying that was the only thing that he had. If we come out here to practice, however you play in the game, that's how I want you to, especially when we got on pads.

56:44Shannon Sharpe:So most of the guys, I mean, back then, they got to wear pads now, Ocho. I was like, damn. You go back and look at the 90s and early 2000s. Ain't nobody have no damn pads on Harley. Everybody had them basically with tights. They done gutted the thigh pads, the knee pads, took all the pockets out. All they got are tight. Yeah. Ricky Jackson was the first person I ever saw do that. I said, man, if I ever be good enough, I damn sure coming out my pants. I'm coming out mine. Hey, look. So when y 'all got pads on, they hidden? Y 'all hidden? No. We had on tight. It's just like you wear those leggings up under your game pants.

57:28Shannon Sharpe:That's what our football pants feel like. We done gutted the pants. We done took all the pockets out. They just basically spandex. Spandex, yeah, that's it. They just basically spandex. All I had was a helmet and shoulder pads. I had no thigh pads, no hip pads, no knee pads, no mouthpiece. I had a helmet and I had shoulder pads and I only had two of my chin straps fastened. Yeah. Hey, them some fun days. I miss it. I miss it. I ain't gonna lie to you. I ain't gonna hold you. What you miss? You miss a grind? I miss the grind. I miss competing, Joe. I miss competing. I miss having structure and discipline and having to get up for something.

58:10I need something to do. And whatever that something is, that gives me structure. How about go to the bank and send

58:16Shannon Sharpe:Unc his money? Huh? Hey, Unc, I told you, Unc, hey, break in case of emergency. If you really need that 59, I got you. That man Ben said he needed it. No, he just talking. You know, he just talking. Hey, Joe, don't you owe me a... Oh, no, we even. We even now. We even. We even. What? Say it again? Say it again? We even because we betting every game, right? You owe me a hundred. Atlanta won tonight, so now we done broke even. We even. We even. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't like the fact that I can't pay you, though, because you ain't see me with my money. I got my pants at home.

58:52Shannon Sharpe:Next time I'm home. Next time I'm home, Joe, I'm going to... Because I got some of my game pants. You'll see. They ain't nothing. They just... Damn, Unc, you kept your pants? I kept my game pants. Got shoulder pads, got shoulder pads, everything. And I ain't got nothing. They still got all my stuff. Flip, who's the equipment guy. He was there when I was there. They still got all my stuff boxed up. All my shoulder pads, my helmets, all that stuff in the box. Oh, Joe, you ain't got no helmets in there? Joe, I ain't keep nothing. Hey, Joe, let me tell you something. I don't know what's wrong with me, Joe.

59:26I swear for God there's something wrong with me Joe I had when I moved I had a big place I had a big place when I was playing out here in Davie and it really made no sense and I got to a point where you know what I'm getting rid of this I'm talking about 10 ,000 square feet it's no reason for me to have a house that goddamn big I'm not playing football no more so obviously you know how I am when it comes to financial literacy let's downsize a little bit let's get up out of here let's get in something we can maneuver with and maintain the same lifestyle we had while we were playing ball. So I put shit in storage, Joe.

1:00:00I put stuff in storage. Joe, I left that storage there, Joe, maybe by 10, 11 years. And it got to a point where, you know what, now I'm moving to something nice again. I ain't got something big again. You know? I wasn't bringing all that old stuff back with me and I done left that part of life, Joe. I just let the storage go. So it was all that stuff, man. I don't never collect memorabilia, Joe. I never have. I ain't kept no jewelry. I ain't kept no nothing. now if I need it I know I can go get it if I want a helmet if I want a shoulder pad or anything like that I can go I can find my old stuff again I got all my stuff I got my college

1:00:36Shannon Sharpe:stuff college I got my high school helmet I see yeah you see you're a collector you're a collector it's just hey Joe when a phase of life is done I'm I close that book Joe I close it I close it I don't care about it that's weird I don't know why everything that I want in college either my mom got it or it's at my grandmother's house so when I got my own house my grandma told me no you can't take nothing out of here that's my trophies that's my helmets they still at my grandma's house. My mom got some trophies that I won in college. My MVP trophy, I gave it to my girlfriend. I don't know where it's at now.

1:01:33Shannon Sharpe:Oh, man. She got one of my MVP trophies. Yeah. That's damn hard, though, too, Joe. You feel me? Oh, I do. I got clothes from when I was like five or six. That's too much, Unc. That story I told about the white outfits that my mom dressed me and my brother like Easter. For church? For Easter? For Easter, yeah. I still got that outfit. That problem was 75, 78, so damn near 50 years ago. I still got it. Damn. Oh, yeah, I keep stuff. We do. I get that from my grandma. I told you my grandma had canned peaches and beans and stuff for 20 years that she tried to bring to the new place. Let me say, Grady, this stuff ain't no good.

1:02:28Shannon Sharpe:She said, yeah, it is, baby. It's sealed. It ain't been open. Yeah. Grady, this ain't the military. This ain't no vacuum. Them MRE, ready to eat meals. That ain't what this is. Dude. Joe, you ain't got nothing. I got a little something. I got a few jerseys. I mean, that's pretty much it. I got a lot of signed jerseys. You know what I mean? A couple basketballs. I didn't do that, though, Joe. Like, when you went to the All-Star game, you got people to sign stuff for you, didn't you? Nah, so, like, when you go to the All-Star game, it's a section where all the players got to sign all these balls and all the signed jerseys.

1:03:11Shannon Sharpe:They give it to us. So, I mean, I went seven times, so I got some nice stuff. bro. I got some basketballs. The signature ain't there no more. Who at? The signature on that basketball ain't there no more. Okay, I'm out there. Hey, listen, I can't tell you what every signature is, but I got some stuff on you. I don't know who they are. I don't know who they are now. But the only thing I hate is that I went and I didn't get, you know, all the, I mean, think about it. I had Brady, had Manny, Elway, Marino, Kelly, Moon. Not one thing. Hey, man, I got a question. I won an Emmy Award, Uncle Ocho, and I ain't gonna lie to y 'all.

1:03:56Shannon Sharpe:I lost it. I wonder how can I... You think they'll send me another one? You have to pay for it, but yeah. Hey, you won an Emmy, Joe? Yeah, and didn't know the significance of it, neither, Ocho. What you was in? What show? I was playing here for the Hawks, and I told my story to Fox Sports. like I was growing up so my mom was in it I think two of my uncles was in it and we just told a story bro they came to my house sit up interviewed me and all that and so it was like halftime one game they came back they was like hey they want to present you with an Emmy at halftime I'm like what an Emmy I didn't even know what the hell an Emmy was I ain't gonna lie to y 'all so listen I go out there get the Emmy I come back I put it up in my locker at the arena I put it up in my locker and about two, three days went by.

1:04:46Shannon Sharpe:I talked to my mama. I was like, mama, I want an Emmy. And she was like, you want an Emmy? Boy, where is that? I said, it's in my locker. She was cussing me out, boy. Hey, if you don't get that damn thing up out of there and send it to me, you know, people work their whole careers trying to win an Emmy. I'm like, man, I ain't know. But anyway, I had a flood here in my house when I was playing in Brooklyn. And there wasn't nobody here. So water had been running for like seven days. on there, Ocho. It flooded out, so it messed up a lot of stuff. But that's one thing I couldn't find when I came back.

1:05:19Shannon Sharpe:I'm like, damn, I couldn't find it. I don't know if somebody hit me for it or not. Yeah, but that's a nice accomplishment there, Joe. But that definitely, oh yeah, that's a standard. Yeah. We go get one, Ocho. Yeah, yeah, we definitely, we definitely is, bro. We definitely is. That's the only thing I'm missing. Hey, I don't know why, Joe, you know, after playing all them, after playing all them years, man, and having them jerseys, having them helmets and no cleats and stuff. I don't know why. I don't see the value in it no more. I don't understand. I just, it just. Even when you was playing, you didn't see no value?

1:05:57No, no, no, I didn't see it once I was done. Once I was done playing. Once I was done playing and I just let the storage go, man. You know, people, I mean, remember a dude found a storage that I just stopped paying for. And people would hit me on Instagram. They would, he would be like, hey, some dude got your storage and I'm like, man, I don't care. I done bought a whole new place. I done started over doing everything and I'm not taking none of that old stuff with me. It's funny how people see things that used to be yours and they value it more than you do. In my mind, I done left that place there 15 years ago.

1:06:33I don't want to bring it where I'm going now. You know what I mean? It's just weird how people think like that. I just, I don't see the value in it no more.

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