Best of NFL News Part 2: ABOUT TIME Josh Allen admits being the reason Sean McDermott was FIRED, Bo Nix CLAPS BACK at Sean Payton for using him as a SCAPEGOAT

26:12Kick that ball. Sean has started to get high on his own supply. He had started to drink the Kool-Aid that he really thought that Jerry Stidham was like that. He did. I'm not so sure we would have paid Manning. I don't think Bill Belichick in that situation. I think Bill Belichick could kick it. Because Bill understands situational football. He understands. He done got the weather report. This thing going to get bad in the second half. I got to do as much as I can. 10 points might be enough to win this game and i'll be damned 10 points was enough to win the game

26:54i know it hurt i know i i i hear it in your voice you know what joe i and i told ocho this i said if bo had lost if we had lost with both yeah it would have been bad you don't think y 'all had a chance yeah we had a chance yeah we had a But he couldn't turn the ball over. When you're playing with your backup, your backup can't turn the ball over. Yeah. Because he doesn't have the capability and the wherewithal to go get those points back. That's not Tom Brady. That's not Peyton Manning. That's not Mahomes. That's not one of those guys that can have a turnover and still have the ability to make plays.

27:33He's not a playmaker. Not. The Bills promoted offensive coordinator Joe Brady as the next head coach earlier this week. the decision to fire Sean McDermott and elevate Brady rather than clean house is now under heavy scrutiny. Ocho, are you confident that Joe Brady is the guy? I mean, what's the goddamn difference? He was already there. Hell, you might as well have kept Mr. McDermott. Joe, that don't make no sense to me. You know, if you're a head coach and someone that's under you, you know, I mean, if you fire McDermott, why the hell everybody else ain't fired? They want a different voice in there, Ocho.

28:14Man, come on now. Come on now. I don't understand how Brandon Bean kept his job. Who was that, the GM? I don't know how he kept his job. That's what I need. Somebody help me explain that to me. Because it seemed like Sean McDermott caught all the criticism. And I get it. You know, Mr. Magula, you know, he's supporting his GM because he gave him more title. but those four layers I think you know he wanted to put what's the key on Coleman he put that in the lap of Sean McDermott yeah I just it's crazy a new voice that's the same voice he's heard I look I look I think Joe Brady did a phenomenal job yes I think the thing is Ocho is that Sean McDermott, you know, his defense, they've been one of the top offenses, but defensively, it's kind of where they falter.

29:14Yeah. And that's his level of expertise. Remember, they fired Leslie Frazier. Yes. Yeah. Leslie Frazier was our D coordinator in Cincinnati, too, huh? Yeah, Leslie Frazier. Coach Frazier. him so what's the what do you think super bowl or bust this year ocho for the bills i mean well hell that was supposed to be this y 'all this year this was the easiest route for him you ain't had to deal with three of three of the better players and out out of the afc you know so maybe maybe next year maybe next year's a little different maybe he can he can he can run the gauntlet he can beat mahomes he can beat burrow he can beat i ain't been in the playoffs we don't know what next year is going to look like, but hell and what the bills need receiver a one.

30:15They got a I got a I think the thing is the they turned to too many turnovers. This was on Josh. This was on Josh because Josh in the postseason Joe. He had had a turnover in season playoff games. He picked the worst time to have the most turnovers he's had in a very long time. It's hard to win on the road with five turnovers and four of them is at the hands of your quarterback. Now guys fumbling and stuff like that ain't really a whole lot you can do about that. But this was on Josh's watch. So it's tough. You know, Sean McDermott, I know Sean McDermott and Ocho and I was talking about, look, this grandstanding, he knew he couldn't challenge that.

30:55He knew that call what it was and he knew the you know, you gotta survive the ground. But he knew they probably had they if they didn't flat out tell him they had probably alluded to, you're gonna need to get to the Super Bowl in order to stay in the job. You probably knew that. Oh, I knew. I talked about this and Ocho, you laughed at me because I told you in October. He's like, you think Brother McDermott? I said, oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you did say he was out of there. if they didn't win. What'd I tell you about what'd I tell you about the Steelers and the Ravens?

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33:57The Browns. Ochoa have hired former Ravens offensive coordinator Todd Munkin to be the next head coach. Munkin, who has spent the last three seasons in Baltimore, will become the Cleveland's 11th full-time coach since returning to the NFL in 1999. In Munkin's first season with the Ravens, he helped Lamar Jackson win his second MVP in 2023. Despite the great success in 2023 and 2024 with Munkin as Ravens OC, as Lamar OC, Munkin had chemistry issues during the previous season as reported by team sources. Munkin demanding coaching style clash with Lamar's preference. Ocho? Yeah. How do you see Todd Munkin handling the battle between Shadour and Deshaun if he couldn't deal with Lamar?

34:49Well, listen, he's had some success with Lamar. It doesn't matter who coach Lamar. Lamar is going to be who Lamar is. Joe, you can go out there and coach Lamar. He's going to be the exact player he's always been. He's going to be that two-time MVP type player that can change the dynamic of a game at any point. Todd Munkin is going to have to get in his bag over there in Cleveland. He'll do more than that. He's going to have to get in his bag as an offensive coordinator and have a plan. I'm not sure what that plan is going to be. I'm not sure who you're going to go with, whether it's Deshaun Watson, whether it's Dylan Gabriel, or whether it's Shadour Sanders.

35:22But he's going to have to find and find out very quick who's going to be quarterback number one in this team. And after that, then you figure out what you're going to do in the other surrounding areas offensively where you need help. And they're going to need a lot of help. I have no problem with the hire itself. He's had success, obviously, with Lamar, but there is no Lamar Jackson in Cleveland, huh? No. There is no Lamar Jackson in Cleveland. Therefore, everything Todd Munkin has to provide to help those quarterbacks, he's going to have to be in his bag, huh? He's got to be in it. Remember, he won two national championships with Stetson Bennett as a quarterback at the University of Georgia.

36:04Hold on, now. Wait a minute. Stetson Bennett as his quarterback on a Georgia team that was loaded on goddamn defense. Now he has, he's going back to a team where they're loaded on defense. Now the Achilles heel for the Cleveland Browns has always been on offense. If you can get that offense on point, just meet him halfway on, just maybe somewhere, Joe, in the middle of the pack. He ain't got to be top five. He ain't got to be top five. Just meet us half goddamn way, please. They got some promising young talent, though, Uncle Ocho. Hey, what's the title name? Fannie. Oh, Fannie. Hal Fannie Jr. Damn it.

36:43Hey, that young boy there? Boy, hey, Joe, he is the real deal. Yes, sir. He's the real. And speaking of Cleveland Browns, if I see Myles Garrett anywhere in Santa Clara, yeah, he got to see me. He gave your jersey away? Joe, he sent the jersey to the Hall of Fame instead of getting it to me, knowing I asked for it first. Man, we told you he was going to do that. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. I'm finna molly whopping, Joe. I'm finna molly whopping. Hey, Ocho. Ocho, leave that loan. Let that go. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. You don't disrespect me like that. You told me you was going to give me the jersey. So that means you're supposed to be a man of your word and give me the jersey.

37:26I don't care who asked for it. If I asked first and you say yes, now I got to whoop your ass. Well, I don't think he going to be ducking on smoke. Yeah, but he ain't got to duck. He ain't got to duck. He ain't got to duck. He going to get what he looking for. Okay. He think he had 23 sacks. He's going to be 24 when I get done with him. Oh, okay. I think the thing is, for me, Ocho, let me know what you think, Joe. I think it'll be easy. It's hard to coach superstar quarterbacks. It's hard. It ain't easy. Ask anybody that's ever had to coach him. You think it's easy coaching Don Brady? Now, it makes your job easy.

38:01But they're gonna need to know they need to know what you're telling me is on a legit They got questions. They're gonna need you to give them answers. Not while I get back to you know You better find you better know the answer

38:14It's not easy coaching these guys now because these guys are brain. Yeah, I mean you talk about Lamar and Lamar like Lamar like hold on Who you yelling? Who do you think you're talking to? Mmm, and I'm so glad you just mentioned that too. Well, how hard it is to coach quarterbacks and I'm not sure if you've seen the clip Joe or Unc I'm sure you saw the clip Unc I know you've seen it before but goddamn Bill O 'Brien and Tom going at it on the sideline Brady going down the sideline chat I don't know if you guys have seen that clip you know so if they went at it like that on the sideline what you think happened in practice oh yeah hey Joe one of the greatest times of my life being a New England Patriot is goddamn Bill O 'Brien and Tom Brady going at it in practice for about five minutes straight.

39:04I'm talking about, you think I'd be messing up cursing on here sometimes? Oh, Tom would curse now. Hey, Joe, I was sitting there smiling ear to ear. I'm like, oh, what are they really going at? Like, cut his ass out, Tom. Hey, I'm talking about, I'm like, oh, this is how it is. No one of these dudes win all the goddamn time. Everything got to be right, Joe. Yeah. Everything has to be perfect. If it's not perfect, you're doing it over. And you're not doing the play over. You're starting the whole period over and doing it again. That's what was expected of everybody, especially offensively. So when things didn't go right, Tom got on Bill.

39:44When things didn't go right, Bill got on Tom. And they kept that standard no matter what. And it helped me understand, well, goddamn, no wonder they went all the goddamn time. And dog, Unk, I wish you could have been there to see that, Unk. I ain't never in the history of all the times I played the game of football ever seen a quarterback and a coach go at it like that. But it was awesome. And from that point on, the rest of practice, immaculate. Oh, you gotta have a standard. Not one mistake, not one drop ball, no nothing. It's just everything went smooth. We went out there. I forgot who we played that week.

40:22Man, we put up back damn near 40 points, Joe. Put a band of 40 points. Oh, that's the year we went to the Super Bowl, Joe. Yeah, we went to the Super Bowl that year. Man, man. There has to be a level of expectation. Who y 'all lost to that year, Ojo? The Giants. The Giants, man. Oh, Eli. Yeah, Eli caught, was that Manningham? Mario Manningham on the sideline against Cover 2. Yeah, on the sideline, yeah. He dropped it in the bucket, Ojo. He dropped it in the bucket. That was a beautiful throw. Damn. That was a beautiful throw. Yeah, that's what I'm looking. You know, being around John and being around Mike, because Mike was like that.

40:58For real?

41:02You might get away if you drop one in a team period. Drop two, start it over. Yes, sir.

41:12I'm like, Lord, please do. All I'm saying, I don't want to be the one. Right. Right. Man, boy, look here. Mike was hell, man. There's a... When I say he said don't accept anything in a win, you wouldn't have lost? Yeah, he meant that. Yeah, we had to get it. I mean, run, catch any pass. I don't give a damn if it was a down flat. You finish in 40 yards. 40. Yeah. and come back. And they got to run back. Yeah.

41:55But then you like, okay, now I understand why we do it. You get a greater appreciation for why you do things and you see, okay, so this is why the 49ers had success. Because they were like the Patriots in the 80s. Yes. You're like, okay, now I see. Now I see.

42:20whoo Browns defense according to Jim Swartz might be out of the door after the team hired Munkin as his head coach according to Tom Pelissero Pelissero reported that Swartz who's one of the three finalists was visibly upset and said goodbyes in the building and told other coaches he's not coming back opposing teams are reportedly ready to pounce if he leaves also Miles Garrett just posted on IG

42:49that's bro sitting down like damn hey hey joe you see you see that lady that work at popeye see how she look yes uh that's just how i'm gonna have miles looking when i catch up to him out there in santa clara just like that miles like man just got me a unanimous defensive player of the year i was playing good with this man and this is what y 'all do hey hey um come on now you know man listen anybody you could have been coaching that brown defense miles garrett still would have got them 23 sacks he still would have been an all pro and matter of fact even if mr schwartz is leaving whoever comes in to take over that goddamn defense you got the pieces and the personnel where you gonna be all right man you got the pieces and the personnel where you gonna be all right that was the top five defense all season long now Right.

43:42Joe, they ain't shabby at all. Yeah, no, I checked them out a few times. They did their thing. They good defensively. They good defensively. Very good. They just need some pieces offensively. They need a wide receiver. They need offensive line help. I'm thinking Joku's going to leave, so get another tight end. Do you really? Yeah, Joku's going to leave, yeah. Yeah. That's why they got Fanny then. It don't hurt to have two of them, though, Joe. So you can find you winning the fourth or fifth round. Hey, Fanny. Oh, I like him. I like him. I like him a lot. He nice. You thinking Joku going to require too much money?

44:21They're going to move. Like you said, they got Fanny. So, you know, we go draft a tight end. We get him on a low number. Run a lot of double tight end sets. Yeah. Look at the Patriots. They got Hooper and they got Hunter Henry. You look at the Bills. team, you know, it definitely helps.

44:45Tom Brady joined the course of voices living. That coach Bill Belichick was snubbed from being a pro football hall of fame. Said the voting committee decision is completely ridiculous. The quarterback coach combination Brady and Belichick famously teamed to lead the Patriots to six Super Bowl victories, nine conference championships. multiple sources spoke with Belichick over the weekend described him as puzzled and disappointed by his inability to secure support up for at least 80 percent of the hall committee Ocho we saw how the hall did to but could you have ever imagined them doing this to coach Bill Belichick I mean listen let's get back for them it's get back for them for all the press conferences um Bill really being one that really doesn't disclose much he doesn't give you much during during those interviews and this is what happened you got people in positions of power that are able to control the narrative and control who gets in and who doesn't they did it to tara owens so them being able to do it to bill belichick who doesn't sit right with a lot of people that are in those positions of power to control who gets in and who doesn't i mean it was shocking to me but i kind of understand it because this is what happened when you have ego and pride and people who can control certain narratives when it comes to certain people.

46:01Oh, Joe. Wow. Honestly, it's effing ridiculous. It absolutely is. It's politics. Listen, as prestigious as it is to be able to get into the Hall of Fame and what it means, this kind of lessens the value of actually getting in based on accolades and resume. It lessens it. It just does. Because what's the criteria to get in the Hall? Obviously, he meets all when he comes to accolades, exceeds it. Beyond meets it. Right. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous, Zunk. A lot of what you said had a lot of truth to it. We saw a situation a couple of days ago with the Tracy Morgan situation. He got treated bad one way, when he was younger.

46:46Now he's in a position that he could actually help somebody. He's like, nah, I remember you. You bullied me, I remember you. Come on now. Now, same thing. The people that Coach Belichick wrong way back when, when they tried to talk and he was smug and short. Now, listen, two things can be true. Yes, sir. They got to get back. Yeah. Vince Lombardi, Coach Lombardi, Coach Chuck Knoll, Coach Tom Landry, Coach Don Shuler, the four coaches that's entered the hall on their first try. They're the four first ballot coaches that go in in the Hall of Fame. Coach Belichick has more Super Bowls than any of those.

47:35He has more victories other than Coach Shula. He has more playoff wins, probably more than all of them combined. More division titles. He's a, there's no doubt. There's no doubt. But I'm just trying to figure out where was the uproar when T.O. didn't go in. They listen, Chad, and I this is not and I'm just not a white or black thing. I'm telling you a right and a wrong thing. What they did to T.O. was so egregious. They changed the rules to keep him out on the first ballot. They didn't change no rules. These are the same applicable rules that every member that's been voted on to go into the hall.

48:22when they said no matter what a person does off the field, you can't use that to keep him out the hall. Only what he did on the field. When it came time to T.O., they changed the bylaws. What you did on the sidelines could be used against you. What you did in the facility could be used against you because they had nothing on him off the field. T.O. has never been in trouble. He's never run a foul with the law. He's never having his name be mentioned for any impropriety. T.O., he led the 49ers in receiving. He led the Eagles in receiving. He led the Cowboys in receiving. He led the Bills in receiving.

49:01He led the Bengals in receiving. There are three men in the history of the NFL that's been a first-team All-Pro with three different teams. One of them is one prime-time Deion Sanders, first ballot Hall of Famer. The other is Ted, the Stork, Hendricks. Hendrickson. He and one Terrell Owens. He's one of three men with 150 receiving touchdowns in the history of the game. Now we're not. It makes no sense. Now the Hall of Fame doesn't have any merit. When you kept, there have been so many guys that should have been a first ballot. And you kept them out. Yes. What they did to Coach Belichick is egregious.

49:44And he should have been a first ballot Hall of Famer. but so so should have to so if you didn't want to change the rules and say look what they did the to was wrong now all of a sudden whoever didn't vote for coach belichick it needs to be made public when there's never ever been a cry to make the votes public why not yeah yeah yeah i mean obviously because because it's coach belichick because it's both coach belichick and it's egregious just as egregious as i'm not letting to win and this is one of one of the things as as as much as the hall of fame means there's so many you know and i i i just for for me you know i am i and joe you know me as much as we've known each other you know me extremely well and those who know me personally know i'm one that it never needed validation i'm one that conducted myself in a way where i felt if i can't be authentic to myself and i still be accepted and whatever it may be i don't really care you know so joe and unc you got to think when i put that hall of fame jacket on myself you know that was not an approval of any and everybody even coach lewis a joke came to me after the game and say you know what that's not gonna sit right with a whole lot of people especially those voters and i told coach lewis after the game i say coach lewis when I put that jacket on, that was to let you know, and everybody else know, I don't need your validation.

51:16At that moment, after that touchdown, and I crossed that 10 ,000-yard mark, I felt I was Hall of Fame worthy. And I don't need, which they probably wouldn't, because I was always the problem child, Joe. I enjoyed that. I enjoyed that perception that I had of enjoyment and having fun in my way, and not conforming to what they felt I should have been like. Now, at that moment, I felt I was Hall of Fame worthy. Right. That's why I put the goddamn jacket on. Ocho, Joe, I'm gonna trip you out now. Now this is what they're saying. They said that Spygate and Deflategate might've had some bearing or some weight to it to keep Coach Vella check out.

52:00I don't know if you know this, but I was a criminal justice major. Do you guys know what fruit of the poisonous tree is? so the way you the way they do this if you said coach Belichick got these Super Bowls and these victories through ill gotten means who benefited from those ill gotten means there's a guy coming up for the pro football hall of fame they say he the GOAT it's going to be very interesting who would have been a beneficiary of Spygate who would have been a beneficiary of Deflategate are you going to keep Tom Brady out you're not So why would you keep Coach Belichick out? Hey, I got a question, Uncle Ocho.

52:41Who does the voting? Are these ex-plans? They do have, I think, like three or four players that do vote, but none of them are almost 400. Most of them are 50 men and women. The mere fact that sometimes, Joe, the way it does is that you have a writer from your city, from your team, and he makes an argument. When they went up to do Dan Marino, they said Dan Marino, and they sat back down. When they did Peyton Manning, they said Peyton Manning, and they sat back down. You don't even have to make a case. That should have been for Coach Belichick. You already know his resume. The second most wins, the most playoff wins, 17, 18 division titles, six Super Bowls as a head coach, two as a defensive coordinator.

53:27His game plan is in the Hall of Fame when he shut down the K-Gun in Super Bowl. I think it was Super Bowl XX. so they shouldn't have had it there shouldn't be you shouldn't have to build a case because it's playing this right there you know what the man did this is not no 1960 I'm not trying to discredit anybody but this is the modern era anything that happened the Super Bowl so in the last 25 years have we ever seen a streak of domination in the NFL in the history of the game No. So it's going to be very interesting. These same 50 men and women that y 'all said Spygate and Deflategate weighed into winning, well, who benefited?

54:16So that means nobody that played on those teams during those Spygate and Deflategate can go into the Hall of Fame on the first ballot by your argument. I'm just using what you said because y 'all used that. And then all of a sudden now, don't nobody know? Bill Polin said he can't remember. but they just had to vote last week, Ocho. Man, you know they got, you know they remember, Joe. This ain't no 15, 20 years ago, Ocho. If I can see if it was 15, 20 years ago. Man, I can't remember. Man, there's so many guys because we voting. They got 120 guys. We got to will it down to 75. We got to take it down to 50.

54:48We got to take it down to 25. And then we get it all the way down to 10. And then we got a senior committee. So I can't remember all that over 15 years, Ocho. Man, they remember. They remember. Hey Joe, they pick and choose when they want to move the goalposts depending on who it is. And this was a, okay, now we got you. Now we're going to get you back. Yes, yes, yes. And that's what I try to tell players, Ocho. Yes, that is exactly how it works. Because at the end of the day, Ocho, you got to realize, I understand you're supposed to take that out of it. But that's a human being. They got feelings.

55:24You can't give somebody your ass to kiss and then expect them to do you a solid, even though that's what their job requires. But they're human at the end of the day, Joe. Yeah. Everybody knows Coach Belichick should have been a first ballot Hall of Famer because if he's not, well, who's this? I said the same thing with T.O. I said if T.O. is not a first ballot Hall of Fame receiver, I don't know who is. I don't. I really don't. And I used to think I knew what a Hall of Famer was, having played in the game, having played against a lot of the guys that went in, because basically anybody that went in, say, 95 on, I probably played against them or saw them up close and personal.

56:07So I know, and plus, Ochoa, you know we go in there, we break down meetings, we know the good players. What the media says and all the fan bases get all excited about, all I know is that when we took that guy off that tape, he wasn't one of the guys we circle. I'm going to leave it at that. So we know for them to do that to coach Belichick, it's egregious, but I believe two things can be true. Go ahead Ocho. Yeah. And Joe, that's some bull crap, man. I just, I hate when people are in positions of power and I never would, I would love for players that are always asking to get in. I know they would love to be honored, but I hate the fact that some of them, they beg and they hawk and they try so bad to wanna be a part of something because of what it entails.

57:00You know, and needing the validation. Just because you don't wear that gold jacket don't mean you wasn't that boy of the field. You still, based on resume and accolades, when you turn that film on, it's still there. The numbers you put up, the stuff that you've done during your career is still there. It ain't going nowhere. and I just, I would never ever give anybody, not just the Hall of Fame in general, never give anybody the satisfaction of knowing they got that over me and being able to control in how I feel. It's a situation also. Mr. Kraft, what the hell we waiting on? Tell me an owner, and I get it.

57:35Some of these old owners, Mr. Modell, Art Modell. I won't disrespect him, but I call him Mr. I call him Art. Art, look at what he does. You got Monday Night Football. He was the reason why. The benefit, the union, he's the reason why. But because he moved his team from Cleveland to Baltimore, because the city, they wouldn't play for the upgrades to the stadium. He's the only owner. There have been, the Raiders go back and forth. Hell, the Raiders was moving like they had a mobile home. Hook up the truck and just move it up and down. They go to Oakland, they back to L.A. They go to L.A., they back to Oakland.

58:16Back and forth. never had to leave the colors. The Rams, y 'all do, like, the Cardinals, y 'all do realize the Cardinals used to be in St. Louis, Ocho. Yeah. They moved. They didn't have to leave the colors. The Rams, the Rams originally started out, they were in California, then they moved to Anaheim, then they moved to St. Louis. Moved them back, they never left the colors. The Colts, Mr. Ursae, Bob Ursae moved him in the middle of the night in 1984 like a thief of the night loaded up the Mayflower vans and moved him and he never left a color or record the Tennessee Titans they used to be the Houston Oilers they went to Nashville first excuse me, yeah they went to Memphis was it Memphis?

59:06I think they went to Memphis first but anyway, and then they went to Nashville and never have to leave a color or record. Art Modell is the only owner in NFL history that has moved and was required to leave the colors and the records in Cleveland. And they still won't put him in. Mr. Kraft, what more can you do? How much more can you win? Because they put a lot of owners in before him that's one less than him and he's been in after them.

59:47Don't get me started. Don't get me started. I'm good. Now I can speak my mind. See, I used to hold back because I was really trying to get my brother because I knew they were going to use what I said against him. But now he in. I ain't. Now I'm going to let y 'all know how I really feel. Hey. Because you're wrong. The way you did, T.O., was absolutely wrong. The way you did Bill Belichick was wrong. Deadass. The way you've done Mr. Kraft and the way you've done Art Modell is wrong. And you know it. Yeah. They making him pay, boy. How much more can I pay? I mean, Joe, how much more can I pay? I don't know, but hey, it's obvious because, you know, his accolades meets the requirements.

1:00:39I mean obviously we all know that Bill Belichick is the first ballot you know maybe due to the flake gate all the shenanigans that has transpired with the Patriots obviously it done rubbed them people the wrong way man it has Joe but you know what I think the thing look Coach Belichick did not make it on any reporter to do their job he didn't make it easy he didn't two things to be true He wasn't the easiest person to do your job, but he's more than worthy of being a first ballot hall of fame. Two things can be true. No question. And they are in this situation. But I don't believe now because it's egregious on the level of T.O.

1:01:26that all of a sudden voters should have to reveal themselves. So now I guess, let me see now, Ocho. So if we start doing this, I guess everybody that voted for a candidate that my candidate didn't win, I want to know everybody that voted for the other candidate. Now I need to see names. You see how ridiculous that sounds? I ain't going to do that. That's the whole point of the voting booth. That's why you go into Ochoa and you pull the curtain. Because nobody's supposed to see who you voted for. Or no. Now if you want to tell, who knows? I don't know if I believe you or not. Because you lie. People lie so much now.

1:01:58I don't know if I believe you. Or I would never vote for him. Check. I wouldn't vote for her either. Check. I'm just saying, don't you? I'm just saying. But in this situation, everybody knows Coach Belichick. And like Coach Belichick, it hurts him. See, when your name came up, when the first time my name came up in 2009, I was one of the, I think 125. I got whittled down. And then I made the final 10. Made it to like, the final 10, final 10. made it to like the room of like the five because back then, Ocho, the coaches and owners winning like players, they've since changed that. They've since changed that because an owner and a contributor, they're two different things, Ocho.

1:02:49They ain't on no damn field. So how you go in as the equivalent of a player that actually played the game? So they changed that and I agree with that. The next year I come back, Ocho, I got less votes. the second year than I did the first year. I said, you know what? If I didn't get in, I said, if you didn't like my stats this year, you're going to hate them next year because they're not going to get any better. And the guy that's coming behind me is going to have better stats. I said, I can't add to it. I said, I wish I could go back and get me another 50 catches, maybe another seven, eight touchdowns on a show and go to a Super Bowl.

1:03:25But there ain't nothing I can do. All I can do is just go back and look at my body of work. And don't compare me against Ozzie and Kellen and John Mackey and Mike Dicker. Look at everybody tight ends that played in the 90s. And look how far ahead I was than them. And I played in a running scheme. Yes, sir. So I say, judge me by the 90s. Don't judge me by what Kellen and Ozzie and Dicker and Mackey and Christensen and all those guys, Dave Casper, because that's unfair. That's unfair to them. That's unfair to me. I said, but my resume speaks for itself. Go ask the defensive coordinators that had the game playing me and ask them what they thought of me.

1:04:08Ooh. Wait, Dave. There you go. Yeah. Ask Floyd Peters. Ask Gunther Cunningham. Yeah. Ask Coach Cowher. Yeah. Ask Coach Belichick. Ask them what they thought of me. Y 'all see, sometimes, Ocho, sometimes the antics can overshadow the play. And, you know, look. Yes. You know me, I'm having fun. Call the National Guard. I'm talking crazy to a lot of people. Oh yeah. But all I know, my team's won. Period. See, that's not fair, man. What? Hey, Joe. What's that? His team's won, but mine was losing. Hey, hey, Ocho, you gotta play the cards. That's it. Hey, hey, hey, hey, Joe. I play one hell of a hand too, Joe.

1:04:56You hear me? I play one hell of a hand too. Yes. Yeah. Look, they didn't say we couldn't have fun while we're playing. Our job was to catch, block, help our team win, get the ball in the end zone. Yeah, look, in Cincinnati, you didn't have the best – you wasn't the best setup. I don't know if it was the most conducive for winning. I like it, though. I enjoy it. I understand. That's the hand you – look here. If we play in space, some people, Joe, we play space. If you don't get in space, you throw the hand in. Some people play if you get face cards. You gotta play the hand even if you don't have space.

1:05:31Well, Ocho, you had face cards. You didn't have space, but you had to play that damn hand. And you played it well. You got a couple of books out of it. You got six pro balls, you got all pros. Yeah. Come on, now. Yeah, yeah. Come on, now. Hey, Ocho ain't winning. Look here. I've never heard, tell me the time you've seen a receiver, he has the most comeback wins. The only winning that matters is quarterbacks. That's why they have how many wins Tom Brady have, how many wins Peyton Manning have, how many wins Pacum Holmes, how many come from behind wins. They don't put that on anybody else. They don't give that title to coaches.

1:06:07They don't give it to tight ends, wide receivers, defensive, nothing. So only winning is tied to the quarterback. That's the only one that winnings matter to. That's what they tell you. That's what they tell you when they want to get said guy in. Now they want to keep you out.

1:06:26They dead ass wrong. They know it. Coach Belichick should have been a first ballot Hall of Famer. Absolutely. I like Coach Belichick when he's not in Coach Belichick mode. He's a really great guy to be around. I went to the Pro Bowl with him and had a conversation, sitting at the bar, talking, having a drink. I wasn't drinking at the time. I was drinking virgin, strawberry, daiquiri. Probably about 7 ,000 calories. But, you know, we at the bar having a good old time. I was working with CBS at the time, and I think it might have been – who was the coach? I'm trying to think who the coach was. I can't even remember who the damn coach was now.

1:07:06I mean, I know Coach Belichick was the coach. I'm trying to think who the quarterbacks were.

1:07:14I can't remember. But when you get Coach Belichick away, when he's not in New England and he's not in that focus mode, Ocho, he's great to be around. And everybody that's ever been around, any player will tell you, he's great to be around. But when he's in that mode, he's all business. Different. He's different. It's just like the quarterbacks. Payton will open up a little bit. But when he get away from football, he just better have a good time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he's there all the way down. Yeah. And it's long. I still got Rapunzel here. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the funny thing about it, is this what I like?

1:07:54I mean, Joe and I tell you this all the time, I would love for players to stop being so PC and be themselves in front of cameras. But most of the time, depending on who you are, especially the face of the team, you have to conduct yourself a certain way. I am so happy, Joe, that I was able to not only play with Tom, but see Tom outside when that game is not rolling. I'm so happy I was able to see Peyton Manning at the Pro Bowl outside when that camera's not rolling. That goddamn Bill Belichick, who I worked with all last year on Inside the NFL, I was glad to see that bill outside of the bill that everyone sees in front of that goddamn camera.

1:08:28Man, they ain't nothing like that in real life. He seemed a little more open on the NFL. He's more open to that at the bar.

1:08:41Joe they nothing like that in real life and you would have to know them personally and it almost it almost to them it it does them almost a disservice where the rest of the world can't see how really dope they are because they have to be one way when the cameras motherfucking I'm sorry when the camera they have to be so they have to be so buttoned up because everybody's trying to get that gotcha moment with one of those guys yeah Peyton Tom all these guys they are really, really buttoned up when the cameras are around. But when they're just hanging out with friends and buddies or being somewhere, they're as normal.

1:09:16Funny, funny, funny. Hey, hey, that's Tom Brady. Yeah, funny. That's how it was when I played in Phoenix and we had the two-time MVP, Steve Nash. Y 'all know he used to go out with us, Uncle Ocho. He used to hang out with us. Steve? Amari, Quinn Richardson. Yeah. And she would be with us in the spot. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a good old time. Hey, you know, Joe, I know Steve a little bit. You know, I play soccer with Steve all the time. Oh, he loves soccer. He loves soccer. Yeah, I play soccer with Steve all the time. Hey, hey, he used to, he liked playing hockey too. Really? We came to practice one day, you know, hockey and basketball.

1:09:53It's the national pastime. Man, listen. Ocho, we came in, that man had on skates. He was out there on that ice. He used to have seen Coach went crazy. Man, what is you out here doing? That man know what he doing though. That boy be moving on that ice, man. Nash, different. He's a different dude. It's embarrassing. It really is. I still think the Hall of Fame is prestigious. It's the heaven for the individual sport that you play, basketball, football, baseball. I guess it's kind of like going into the, if you're a musician, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland, Ocho. If you're a professional bull rider, I think that's in Colorado Springs.

1:10:32It's your football heaven. It's your football mecca. I remember my grandmother when I called my grandmother when I finally got the call in 2011, I called my grandma. I said, hey, Granny. She said, hey. I said, Granny, I'm going to the Hall of Fame. I'll never forget. She said, what's that, baby? I said, Granny, that's where all the good players go. She said, that show lives good, son. That show good. I sure hope I'm around to see it. Because at that time, OJT had gotten really, really sick. So this was in January. This was in January, beginning of February. She passed in July. So she didn't actually, she didn't actually, you know what I'm saying?

1:11:14But she realized, my grandmother knew she could not see that ceremony physically. She had to leave this place physically and go with me there spiritually because then that body wasn't going to take her. And so to hear like, ooh, that show good. She would always have my sister, let me find that boy on TV. my sister put the TV on because you know back then we were really good so the Broncos always came on in that late window for NBC NBC so we always came on the late window it is a huge honor it is it is a huge honor but there has been some damage done by some players that didn't get in that should have gotten in and even if no matter what you think about T.O.

1:12:02and T.O. should have been on first ballot. But then you skip him again on the second just to prove a point. And make the guy go in on the third ballot? No matter what you think. I think T.O. is one of the three greatest receivers they ever played. I think it's Jerry. Think. Jerry, Randy, and T.O. Now you can flip. I think you can flip T.O. and Randy. I think it's universal regard. Jerry is in. Jerry is in. For me, Jerry is in. Some people like Randy. But I think you can say, But even if you're not like Ocho and I, Keough is not getting out of the top five of receivers that ever play this game.

1:12:39He's just not. No, absolutely not. So with that being said, if that's not first ballot, I don't know what is. I don't. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I don't think DT. Did DT go in on the first ballot? I don't think DT went in on the first ballot. Come on, bro. Did anybody watch DT from 1989 to 1999? Did anybody watch those 11 years? I got to see it up close and personal from 90 to 99. Yeah. Man, they got your boy. They got me a nominee this year. Think about Ocho. Yeah? DT had to go five times. Before he got in there? Anybody that played against DT, ask them. That first step, they need to stop. But see, this is what you get.

1:13:42Because you know what happens, Ocho, once they get away with keeping certain people out, they feel like that's a lot of power, Ocho. Yeah. That's a lot of power, Joe. Hey, you know how you take your power back? Hey Joe you know how you take your power back? How you take it back? You create your own. Say F it. You create your own. Shoot. Hey I got me a 14 karat gold bus. Yeah. Joe you create your own bus. You create your own jacket. Shit. What y 'all talking about? Oh man. What you going to get? Hey, huh?

1:14:30That's crazy, man. I can't believe. Hey, hold on. Let me show you mine. Hold on. I don't know who gonna get this, the kids. I might have to have the kids sell this, because boy, look here. They're only one of them, Joe. The only one. You know, I got to keep them apart. I got to keep them apart. They got the ways and everything, Joe. They hooked you up. Hey. They hooked you up, bro. There's some cancer. Where you on, Joe? Joe, what you got? Hold on. Hey. Hey, it's in the showcase. It's too heavy to bring out. I got a 14 karat gold bus like that, but it's in the showcase. I can't carry the whole thing.

1:15:05Do you really, old Joe? Yeah, well, I don't, hey, Joe, I don't play. I'm not, I'm not, listen, them people ain't letting me in, so I had to go make my own. No, you laughing, why you laughing? Joe, I'm not playing. I'm 14 karat gold bus. When they do my game room, you know they doing my game room for me, right? Yeah. So by the time we get to, like sometime after Valentine's. Yeah, they doing my, oh, because you told me, you told me my appearance. Nah, mine, so deduct 6 ,500 from the game room. Shoot that over to me. Wait, wait, you said it was 59. How you get to 6 ,500? Interest. Gotta be some interest.

1:15:43Yeah! Gotta be, Ocho, three years. Hey, but no, this is for the show though. I need the presentation when we get on. I need it to look good. Yes. But the bus is going to be in the background with all our awards and the nightcap. My nightcap sign is going to be on. Like, Joe, the whole thing is going to look real nice, Joe. Yeah, the champ would really appreciate if you cut that nightcap sign on. Hold on, let me see if it works. Hold on, hold on. It's too bright.

1:16:15Can they see it? Oh, it ain't bad, Ocho. it's distorted though huh yeah yeah i think because it's so far away it's distorted so we do we know do i want to fix all that also eli man we're gonna talk about eli later we're gonna talk about now okay uh here's the elmando uh armando salguero one of the yes voters claims there were voters in the room who voiced their concerns about spygate before voting Along with reinforcing the importance of voting process, the Hall released a statement stressing actions will be taken if one or multiple voters committed a violation of the selection process. The Hall did not mention Belichick by name or identify the selection process bylaws may have been broken.

1:17:06One violation for would be an example would be making a decision on a candidate based on non-football reasons. That does not, however, include Spygate. Va Gregorian of the Kansas City Vahe Gregorian. I guess that's how you say that. I apologize. I know Gregorian. Kansas City Star became the first voter to outright confirm he voted against Belichick. He explained that he didn't vote against Belichick and Kraft so much as the other three seniors players in Shryman. Who was that? Anderson? Who? I know Roger Craig and L.C. Greenwood. I don't know who Anderson is. Gregorian said he believed all five of the candidates were deserving but was concerned that the three players would have to wait much longer than Belichick like many other senior candidates.

1:17:58Well, people say they wanted to put his name to it. I believe L.C. Greenwood. Look, L.C. Greenwood was not as heralded as Minjo Green, Jack Lambert, Jack Hamm, Mel Blunt, but go back and look at that Steel Curtain's defense and look at the guy with the high top yellow shoes, Ocho. Go back and look now. Yeah. I'm old enough to remember Elsie Greenwood. I remember those teams. Every Super Bowl they won, especially in the late, like, 76, 77, 78, 79. Yeah. Elsie was... What? was he? I mean, they got, I mean, think about it. They got Joe Green, Hall of Fame, Ham Lambert, Hall of Fame, Mel Blunt, Hall of Fame, Donnie Shell, Hall of Fame.

1:18:56So you got five Hall of Famers right there. And you got LC. You had Andy Russell, who was a perennial All-Pro and Pro Bowl player. LC Greenwood was a Pro Bowl player. So it's not very many times that you got seven All-Pros and Pro Bowl players on a defense at a given time. and you're definitely not going to have five Hall of Famers in their prime together. Now, you might have a Hall of Famer come later in his career, but they were all drafted to the Steelers. The Steelers drafted five Hall of Famers in 74. Well, they drafted four. Donnie Shell was an undrafted free agent. Len Swan, Jack Lambert, John Stallworth, and Mike Webster.

1:19:37Their first four picks, Ocho, in the Hall of Fame. Oh, that's crazy. And then Donnie Shell was an undrafted player. He's the fifth player. So one draft class on a team. I think we got five in our 90 draft class, which are 250, 40 players. They got five of their first 12, 13, 14 picks. Wow. You ain't going to ever see that again. I don't know. Bill Nunn, Radio Raheem, that's his dad. with Bill Nunn. He was the guy to scout him. Yes, for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yes. Oh, that's dope.

1:21:09We'll be right back. Lenovo, Lenovo.

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