In short
“Best of NFL News Part 2” recap and debate: Buffalo Bills’ new stadium sightline problems after a $2.2B debut; Arizona/NY Giants QB Jackson Dart practicing safer slides after concussion history; Cleveland Browns QB1 situation (Deshaun Watson vs. Shadour Sanders) and a chippy QB discussion; plus Dallas Cowboys contract talk—CeeDee Lamb urging Jerry Jones to pay George Pickens, with broader cap/extension speculation.
Guests (podcast hosts)
The episode features three recurring hosts: Joe (often “Uncle Joe”), Ocho (often “Ocho”), and a third co-host (referred to as “Joe”/“Ocho” in dialogue; one is also mistaken about “Brian Branch/Brian Burns”). They are sports talk personalities, not interview guests.
Key claims
- Bills will use six weeks to fix internal/external stadium operation feedback; league sources say seat license holders reported sightline issues.
- Dart sliding in practice is framed as a positive change to avoid reckless play and reduce concussion risk.
- Browns QB1 competition: both Watson and Sanders performed well in 11-on-11; no interceptions; Stefanski/Munkin comments are parsed as “two things can be true.”
- Cowboys: Lamb’s push for Pickens money is tied to franchise-tag math and cap pressure; owners may “bet against” players by delaying deals.
Notable examples
- Bills obstructed seats and small video boards drawing attention.
- Dart’s first practice slide in 11 sessions; Brian Burns/Branch confusion.
- Browns 11-on-11 stats: Sanders 16/23, 3 TD; Watson 15/22, 2 TD; no picks.
- Cowboys: mentions $94M tied to Lamb/Dak; Quinny Williams $105M extension; Pickens “45–50M” estimate.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOBuffalo Bills Stadium Feedback
0:00 to 0:34
Discuss the Bills' new stadium issues following its debut and fan feedback.
“When you're moving like I do, you don't always get a lot of lead time.”
Buffalo Bills Stadium Feedback
2:40 to 3:25
Discuss the Bills' new stadium issues following its debut and fan feedback.
“The Bills are addressing the feedback after their$2.2 billion stadium debut.”
Debating Stadium Design Flaws
3:25 to 6:06
Explore the challenges of stadium seating and design flaws discussed by the hosts.
“Again, we're going to throw this to Ocho because Ocho said there's so many people trying to make the team look bad.”
Home Field Advantage and Weather
6:06 to 7:18
Analyze the implications of weather on the Bills' performance and home games.
“What team, what cities normally do, they go look and see how what the previous city and how they did it, how they organized it.”
OJ Simpson's Legacy in Buffalo
7:18 to 10:00
Reflect on the controversial legacy of OJ Simpson and his place in Bills history.
“So, in other words, they won't be able to sell those tickets.”
ChatGPT's Capabilities
13:20 to 14:12
Discover how ChatGPT can assist with your projects and improve productivity.
“ChatGPT can do more than answer questions.”
ChatGPT's Capabilities
14:17 to 14:50
Discover how ChatGPT can assist with your projects and improve productivity.
“To honor our country on its 250th birthday, this can of Copenhagen goes out to those defending the free American soil that our tobacco has taken root in for over two centuries and counting.”
Joe Jackson Dart's Sliding Technique
15:29 to 18:38
Discussing Joe Dart's approach to sliding and quarterback safety.
“We have some breaking news on Joe Jackson Dart.”
The Excitement of New York Giants
18:39 to 19:48
Exploring the thrill brought by Jackson Dart to the Giants.
“It's different when your teammates start advocating for you and talking about it.”
Lessons of Youthful Recklessness
19:49 to 24:10
Reflecting on the lessons learned from reckless play in football.
“You saying Scatterboo need to get on down sometime?”
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Coaches and Media Interactions
24:12 to 28:00
Analyzing a chippy exchange between a coach and a reporter.
“Oh, you thought you about to get some sympathy?”
Truth in Storytelling
28:00 to 29:14
Exploring the importance of storytelling and confidentiality.
“just to make it sound a little better sometimes.”
Browns QB Situation
29:14 to 30:19
Discussion on the Cleveland Browns coaching and quarterback dynamics.
“other day he walked on left everybody to their own interpretation of what was going on no no no no no And I get what he said.”
Quarterback Performance Insights
30:19 to 32:26
Analyzing recent quarterback performances in practice.
“tried to get some draft capital because they realized they're more than one player away.”
CeeDee Lamb's Advocacy
32:26 to 34:18
CeeDee Lamb calls for Jerry Jones to pay George Pickens.
“Deshaun Watson, 15 of 22, two touchdowns.”
Contract Challenges and Strategies
34:18 to 38:28
Navigating the complexities of NFL contracts and negotiations.
“to make him the second highest paid defensive lineman in all of football.”
Owner Strategies in the NFL
38:28 to 42:01
Understanding owner strategies in contract negotiations and business.
“You gave me your word that you want to get this thing done.”
Understanding NFL Owner's Mindset
42:01 to 49:49
Explore the business mindset of NFL owners and player compensation strategies.
“She's going to be able to look at that phone.”
George Pickens and His Career Trajectory
49:50 to 50:30
Discussion of George Pickens' journey and potential in the NFL.
“This is the George Pickens that I saw in Georgia.”
George Pickens and His Career Trajectory
53:29 to 53:46
Discussion of George Pickens' journey and potential in the NFL.
“You give direction, review drafts, approve actions, redirect the work, and choose the final output.”
George Pickens and His Career Trajectory
53:51 to 54:22
Discussion of George Pickens' journey and potential in the NFL.
Stephen Jones on Leadership and Culture
54:23 to 56:00
Insights into Stephen Jones' view on player leadership and team culture.
“I think something that makes me well-studded to be a nurse is my empathy.”
Dallas Cowboys Culture and Identity
56:00 to 56:40
Discussion on the identity and culture of the Dallas Cowboys and how it compares to other franchises.
“To have him, him, you was able to get him because what you gave up to Green Bay because that was one of the first-round picks.”
Defensive Legacy and Leadership
56:40 to 58:08
Exploration of historical defensive players in the Cowboys' legacy and their impact on team leadership.
“Everybody's not going to conduct themselves in the way Stephen Jones sees Quentin Williams.”
Jerry Jones and Player Relationships
58:08 to 1:00:00
Analysis of Jerry Jones' relationship with players and the implications of contracts and loyalty.
“isn't Quentin Williams the one that sneezed during the interview and blessed himself and blessed himself?”
Friendship vs. Professionalism in Football
1:00:00 to 1:01:52
A discussion on the nature of friendships among players and owners, focusing on professionalism.
“Because Jerry is always in an advantageous situation.”
Team Loyalty and Alumni Relations
1:01:52 to 1:06:38
Experiences of former players and their relationships with teams after retirement.
“Mike got a different relationship over there, boy.”
Navigating Relationships After Football
1:06:38 to 1:10:00
Advice on maintaining connections and relationships in the football industry post-career.
“Hey, hey, Char, man, hey, man, let me get a case of La Porte.”
Opportunities in Sports and Networking
1:10:00 to 1:16:12
Learn how building relationships in sports can lead to future opportunities.
“Some of my team, my college teammates got an opportunity to come?”
Transcript
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2:40Shannon Sharpe:The Bills are addressing the feedback after their$2.2 billion stadium debut. A record crowd attended Saturday's scrimmage, but obstructed seats. Small video boards quickly became the focus of the conversation. The team said in a statement, Saturday's practice was a great opportunity to test the new stadium. We are currently addressing internal and external feedback regarding the facility's operation following the first event. We'll utilize the next six weeks to refine any details as we prepare for the home opener September 17th. League sources told front office sport that the Bills have in fact heard from some of their personal seat license holders regarding sightline related issues.
3:25Shannon Sharpe:Again, we're going to throw this to Ocho because Ocho said there's so many people trying to make the team look bad. Ocho?
3:31Joe Johnson:I'm still waiting to see the proof. We seen it yesterday.
3:37Shannon Sharpe:I'm still. Joe. So, the Bills, the league source, League, told front office sports that the Bills have, in fact, heard from some of their personal seat license holders regarding sightline-related issues, which was what we tried to show yesterday. Ocho said the seat probably wasn't even seats up there.
4:00Joe Johnson:No, I said it was the stairs because I see the railing right there. I ain't never seen the railing right there. I'm like, hey, shoot, ain't my goddamn stadium? That's on them.
4:10Shannon Sharpe:You know, y 'all stayed in my home with 20 ,000 people, Ocho. You ain't getting no money.
4:15Joe Johnson:Hey, you ever been to the jungle during a Monday night, Thursday night, Sunday night game? Like that? Boy, there ain't no better environment, boy. Ain't no better environment than Pacor Stadium, boy, at a primetime game, Joe.
4:30Shannon Sharpe:I don't know what it was called when we was there. We just called it Beat the Bingo Stadium. Because that's what happened every time we went there.
4:36Joe Johnson:I never lost to you. I never lost y 'all. They go right there. Well, we beat the brakes off y 'all. They go to picture right there, huh? Yes. Hey, well, that show is high up, boy. Well, Dad, what you think everybody see? What you think everybody see? Hey, for you and those leading seats. Club level? You want everybody to see club level? I'm just saying, but you sitting that high, and you worried about being able to see, get you some better tickets first. Okay, what about this right here? Them the seats, huh? Yeah. Yes. That's bad. That boy. Yeah. I ain't see this, but I ain't see that little version yesterday.
5:15Shannon Sharpe:I told you to put your head over the bad eye. Huh?
5:18Joe Johnson:What if you was sitting right here? Shoot, I'm going to stand up. The whole game? Hold on. What about the people behind you? They better stand up too.
5:30Hey.
5:31Shannon Sharpe:I guess y 'all going to be standing the whole damn game. Because you know people going to say, hey, Joe, sit down. Man, listen.
5:36Joe Johnson:Nah, this ain't it.
5:38Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.
5:38Joe Johnson:Well, hold on. Everything constructed already. I'm trying to figure out what are they going to do in the season to get ready to start in two more weeks or three weeks, if that.
5:46Shannon Sharpe:Hey, the one thing, the one thing, hey, they'll figure it out. That's the one thing they will do. They going to figure it out. But they said they used this company that's built a lot of the stadiums. How are you not? I mean, what you do is like, okay, you go around and you look at what team, like, okay, the Super Bowl. What team, what cities normally do, they go look and see how what the previous city and how they did it, how they organized it. Bro, how do you not take something like, man, I really like the new SoFi Stadium. Man, you know what? I like that big jumbotron that Jerry got in Jerry's world.
6:29Shannon Sharpe:And I really like, you know, this part of that stadium. and you kind of take bits and pieces all the while trying to tie it in to what you are. It ain't that complicated. Hell, you got$800, you got damn near a billion dollars of taxpayers' money. At least get it right, huh? Man, they build that nice stadium right there. Why Buffalo won't play in no dome because they want to use that as home field? No, no, no. You can't do that.
7:00Joe Johnson:You can't play for the Buffalo Bills and play in the Dome, Joe. Man, come on. Especially when you're in the playoffs, you want teams that are coming from warm-weather cities to come into that cold weather. Feel that.
7:13Shannon Sharpe:Damn, boy. Oh, Joe, speculation is that they're going to have to make those seats unsellable. So, in other words, they won't be able to sell those tickets. They won't be ticketed seats.
7:23Joe Johnson:Okay, I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. Or you can sell them for a very, very cheap price that people understand that their eye line and vision may be blocked at time depending on what side of the field the play is on.
7:39Shannon Sharpe:Guess what? Your eye line is going to be blocked because somebody is going to be going in the opposite direction all the time. So somebody your eye line is going to be blocked every series because somebody is going in that direction. Yeah, because I mean, you know, it's kind of like Jacksonville. Remember Jacksonville when they started having out, those people started showing up? They put the black tarp on the kind of Miami. You put those black tarps, ain't nobody sitting up there. Damn. So, I mean, and the stadium, I guess the stadium is a little smaller than the original Rich Stadium, the old Buffalo Bill Stadium.
8:17Shannon Sharpe:So now it's about to be even smaller if you take, you know, because the thing is, look, your money is in the ticket and the suites and things of that nature. and you got to make it because what else you gonna put your whole up there ain't nothing like you can hold a whole lot of stuff come january if it ain't a football game what you gonna hold it maybe hockey the sabers can use it but it's not it's not like mercedes-benz in atlanta where you get the national championship you get the peach bowl you get the sec championship you know i'm saying you get you get high school foot you get high school football games and Hey, I mean, what you going to do?
8:52Shannon Sharpe:It's not like Jerry's World. You know, you got a big truck, a rodeo, you got track to pull, you know, you know, monster truck series.
9:06Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, see, that's what you get for not honoring OJ. The ghost of OJ struck again. Put that man, they're not going to put his name up in the stadium. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I forgot about that. Yeah.
9:24Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, they ain't got to be.
9:26Joe Johnson:He's still a bill. Yeah, one of the best ever, too.
9:34Shannon Sharpe:The. The. Yeah, they ain't got three players better than OJ in the history of that franchise. Bruce Smith, Andre Reid, Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas.
9:49Joe Johnson:you want me to keep going
9:53Shannon Sharpe:I read those are Joe DeLamalia those are if I'm not mistaken I think those are your Hall of Famers how many of them in front of OJ
10:03Joe Johnson:that's a good
10:04Shannon Sharpe:it's hard but did you 2000 yards in a 14 game season he was the best player in football forget running back he was the best player in football listen don't He don't get the – because they didn't win. I tell you what, go ask the Steelers. When he put 250 on the Steelers one Sunday, on the steel curtain.
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10:30Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, for sure. Six-day Heisman Trophy winner.
10:38Shannon Sharpe:But, Joe, you knew that. I mean, you know, Joe knows Heisman Trophy winners now. I know some of them. I ain't going to lie to you. I know something I want.
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10:55Shannon Sharpe:I mean, I don't know. Me personally, I don't think the Buffalo Bill fans like, oh, my God, I'm not coming to a game now because OJ Simpson's name is on the facade. It's up in the stadium. I don't think that would have occurred. You don't think they would have spoke on that? No. It was up in the old stadium and ain't nobody spoke on it. I don't know man I seen that documentary bro I saw the documentary I met him several times OJ Juice He used to come to the NBC he was the sideline reporter for NBC For real? Yeah In the early 90s yeah absolutely Yeah they wet the bed on that but that's a story for another day I may or may not have seen those shoes.
11:56Shannon Sharpe:I saw it by the Rams game about three years ago. About three, four years ago. He's at a Rams game. I think it was a Monday night game. I went to the game, yeah. Yeah, the Rams, when the Rams won the Super Bowl and they played the opening season against Buffalo and Buffalo beat the brakes off of him. Yeah, he was at the gate. You bought a sofa you didn't have to assemble, a suit someone measured just for you, and now you're taking a guy's trip that actually matters. You've upgraded a few things in life, so why are you still running with rough nicotine pouches? On plus nicotine pouches with Nico Silk Mesh.
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15:28Shannon Sharpe:I ain't got nothing for y 'all. We have some breaking news on Joe Jackson Dart. Dart, on a third down run today, he slid. What happened? It's not likely something that he would have done in his rookie season when he was examined five different times for concussions. According to ESPN, it's the first time in 11 practices during training camp that Dart has slid.
15:52Joe Johnson:That's a good thing.
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17:35Joe Johnson:thing because too many times he played very reckless as a quarterback despite as exciting as he was to watch last year joe yeah you know some of those injuries started to mount up you know those concussions i'm glad he changed a little bit i think it was a comment that he made where he said he wasn't going to change his style of play somewhere in a sense, something like that. But his career, it would be cut short. It would be cut short, especially playing at the NFL level with some of those young bulls on defense. They're not. Once you show that you're a runner, they're going to treat you as such.
18:06Joe Johnson:They're not treating you as a quarterback, boy.
18:09Shannon Sharpe:No, that's Brian Burns. That was Brian Burns, not Brian Branch. Branch in Detroit. Yeah, that's Brian Burns. ass giving me faulty information. She's sabotaging me, y 'all. I'm looking up like, Brian Burns. No, Brian Burns. Yeah. Hey, no, but Jackson Dart, hopefully he learned his lesson, fellas. You know, if he get down, he'll be able to stick around a little more. Oh, yeah. They keep on knocking the Mario coins out of him. He's learning his lesson. Hey, see, it's different. It's different when your teammates start advocating for you and talking about it. You know, it hit home a little bit. You know what I mean?
18:45Shannon Sharpe:So he's starting to listen. but
18:51Shannon Sharpe:don't be typing now don't type now you don't get me talking about Brian Branch and people probably in the chat in the comments killing me
18:59Joe Johnson:one thing about it too Uncle Joe the New York Giants I'm not sure they've had the level of excitement the last time I say I can think of for someone who's not a New York Giants fan that I was excited to watch the Giants play is boy when Jackson Darton's scatterboot got there. Because I ain't no telling what was going to happen, Uncle Joe. It was exciting just the way they played the game. It was reckless. They was having fun. And they just didn't care. I'm talking about straight excitement. Similar to when OBJ got there. You tune in to watch the Giants game because I ain't no telling what's going to happen.
19:39Joe Johnson:And that's the type of excitement they brought back to New York again, man. So hopefully he continues to play the game the right way and live the play another down. Live to play another down. Stop trying to run over the DVEs.
19:52Shannon Sharpe:Scatterboo, same thing. You saying Scatterboo need to get on down sometime? What?
19:58Joe Johnson:Scatterboo trying to run through everything, Joe.
20:01Shannon Sharpe:Everything. Scatterboo out here doing back flips and all. He ain't standing there with y 'all talking about. Okay. Keep up thinking you in the circus. Hey. You be out there, the trainer come out down the field, you be talking about, hey, Jack Rebber with cowboy boots. What? Jack Rebber with cowboy boots. What? You don't have to know what the hell you talking about. Oh, man. Them licks, hey, them things add up, man. Hey, you got to be smart. There is a time and a place for everything. There is a time when you got to get the extra yard. It's third down or it's fourth down. But there are times, get your butt out of bounds.
20:40Shannon Sharpe:Don't take that unnecessary punishment. Trying to be heroic. I already know. Boy trying to get in the end zone, man. Yeah. Yeah, okay. There's a time of the play for that, Joe. I'm just saying, you know, when you young and you out there, Uncle Ocho, you know, man, hey, you by any means, boy, I'd do a front flip over the whole line. You know what I mean? Like, them boys, hey, they ain't starting that. Yeah. But the thing is, it's hard. Like, when you leave, like, that's why you see so many people fumbling the ball when they leave the ground. Because they ain't got nothing to stabilize them. You up in the air.
21:15So they hit you, your body just ball go one way.
21:19Shannon Sharpe:You go to the other. Fans go another way. Dart said during the Giants' time, haul the fans in May. The most important thing that I've learned, I've got to be on the field. There you go. That is correct again, sir. That is correct again. But, you know, you live and learn. Like you said, you come in there and, you know, you're used to doing that. That's the way. Because what you hear him say, Ocho, that's the way I played in college. Boy, this ain't college. They break your last book. You learn real fast. What he learned last year? Hey, hey, hey. Them boys got mortgages and every damn thing they got to pay.
21:53Shannon Sharpe:Huh? Yeah, he got kids, deals. Some of them got a divorce. They had to give up half. So I got to saw you in half. Hey, please. Kids, hey, you best probably got a baby mama? Especially you got her in California. or New York or Jersey. Boy, you in a heat patrol. So, hey, hey, hey, hey, you got to take it out on some damn body. Yeah. Hell yeah. And she done pissed you off too, won't let you see the kid? Oh, I've got to tell you, boy, I'm about to saw you in half. Ooh. Man. Somebody got to pay for this. But like you said, they're young. Because when you're young, you want to make an impression. That's how I wipe it out.
22:38Shannon Sharpe:Hey, I just try to run over everybody. Hey, man, the receiver for me say, hey, hey, greasy. Hey, listen, we know you're tough. We know you're tough.
22:50Joe Johnson:You ain't got to prove it.
22:51Shannon Sharpe:Hey, hey, hey, you know, they trying to show they belong. They trying to show that they different. Yeah. Hey, Joe, that different. How you tenderize me? You beat on it? They tenderize you. They keep hitting your ass. They soft you right on up.
23:10Joe Johnson:you're going to be right in that training room.
23:17Shannon Sharpe:But look, and that's the thing. Sometimes you have to learn the hard way. Sometimes the lesson that you get taught, you have to bump your own head. Sometimes somebody can tell you something. Like what you say your grandma told you, don't show that snow was hot. You ain't believe it.
23:32Joe Johnson:I had to go find out for myself again.
23:34Shannon Sharpe:Hard head. She ain't never had to tell you about nothing else. She ain't never had to tell you nothing else. Don't touch that. You got that little blister. It gave you that little blister first?
23:41Joe Johnson:Yeah, you know, my grandma had the hot comb. You know, the hot comb on the... I ain't know no better. Hey, it ain't hot. Let me go touch it again.
23:52Shannon Sharpe:Man, the same thing happened to me. It was curling down. I didn't know they was on, Uncle Ocho, in the morning. I mean, boy, that thing got me so good. I'm... Uh-huh. Thought somebody was cooking bacon in that morning. And you thought you were gonna get some sympathy and caught that crying. What you crying for? I told you dumbass not to touch it. That's exactly how they respond. Hey, you ain't ready to get. Oh, you thought you about to get some sympathy? Boy, Mary Boyd about to give you no sympathy. Mm-hmm. I bet I wanted to tell your hard-haired ass again, Willa. No, Val? Now, stop crying before I give you something to cry about.
24:24Shannon Sharpe:I got something to cry about. Well, listen. Let them all before we have no sympathy, man.
24:39Shannon Sharpe:Uh-oh, uh-oh. Bing got a little chippy today between Todd Stefanski, I mean Todd Munkin and a reporter. Let's take a listen to how chippy it got. I'm not sure I understood you. When Mary Kay asked if they're even Steven, and then you mentioned that Deshaun's gotten better. Hold on. What was that? So that's what I'm asking. I said Deshaun's better? Were you saying that he's gotten better since camp or that he's better than Chidore? I don't think I threw in there that he's better than Chidore. I'm not sure I went that far, but I appreciate you trying to trap me in that show. No, I'm not. I'm sure you're trying to trap me.
25:13Joe Johnson:Damn. Hey, hey, reporter adding his own words, huh? You try to chip him up? Yeah. Listen, coaches, coaches, obviously, I'm sure they're probably taught, you know, just like those that are in the political. Oh, they rehearse what they're going to say. Sure, sure. Absolutely. That's why I love to hear people that are very well versed with their wording, you know, like Obama. You ever hear people ask Obama questions?
25:36Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.
25:37Joe Johnson:And he can give an answer without really answering the question, but the answer sounds so awesome, you forgot what you got to ask.
25:45Shannon Sharpe:But if you notice, what does he always do? He pause. He never, when you ask a question, he doesn't immediately start talking. He always pause.
25:57Joe Johnson:Hey, that's a skill, huh?
25:59Shannon Sharpe:He been trained here. Absolutely. That's a skill, boy. See, we already know what you're going to do. Soon we ask you something about your, I want you about to lie, Joe. You going to start talking immediately.
26:09Joe Johnson:Hey, I don't... Hey, I don't... I don't ever lie, man. Hold on. Matter of fact, I still got on the same shirt from last night. Hold on, Joe. Let me show you this, man. Oh, shit. Hey, what kind of jacket is that you got on? I see the two. Juventus? I think this, uh... This is 1990? 1990? Yeah, yeah. Y 'all don't make fun of me. I still got on the same shirt from yesterday. Hey, let me show you how I don't lie. What the back of my shirt say, huh? I lie for you before I lie to you. And it's a true statement, too, now. Okay. That's a true statement. So anything I say on...
26:43Shannon Sharpe:I lie on you sometime, too.
26:45Joe Johnson:Anything I say on here, man, it's facts. It's based on personal experience.
26:49Shannon Sharpe:Hold on. You throw him under the bus? Ocho, to get you out of trouble, you throw him under the bus? To get me out of trouble? To get you out of trouble, you throw up... When I throw Ocho under the bus. nah I might throw him under the bus I wouldn't be driving the bus though you know what I'm saying Joe you know what I'm saying
27:14Shannon Sharpe:see the worst thing you could do is throw somebody under the bus and happen to be driving the bus and then back up and put it in reverse and run back over again to make sure you got it you see see Ocho Ocho ain't he don't lie he might like misrepresent the truth. Lying is hard. I mean, you say to call somebody a liar, so you say he fib. He might mispeak him. He fib a little bit.
27:40Joe Johnson:Now, hey, Joe, just a little bit now. I ain't really gonna tell no whole lie. I ain't gonna tell no whole lie. Sometimes I tell a white lie to prevent from hurting the person I'm telling the lie about or telling the lie to, you know? Yeah, sometimes. The true truth, it hurts. So sometimes you gotta, you know, give him a little white lie, Joe.
27:59Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, so you kind of embellish the story a little bit just to make it sound a little better sometimes.
28:04Joe Johnson:Oh, no, no. Hey, Joe, any stories I tell you, especially on here, that's truth. That's based on factual experience.
28:10Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, yeah, yeah. We just like when you get those true crime stories, sometimes they leave out the names or they give you a conventional name. That's to protect those. Yeah, that's all we do. We tell you stuff. You know, I'll never give you no names. Yeah, yeah. I'll never give you no names. Because, you know, like I said, Some of these people, they done got married. They got kids. They got grandkids. They don't need to know that about their mom or their dad or their grandma or their granddad. We just keep that between us. But y 'all know I know.
28:46Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.
28:52Shannon Sharpe:Now, look, the only thing I was saying is that you know it got bad on Joe when you not ever known a coach not to speak after practice that's what they do yeah they speak after practice and normally guess what they gather around the scrum gathers around he walks up on the podium and ask away that ain't what he did yesterday that's not what he did the other day he walked on left everybody to their own interpretation of what was going on no no no no no And I get what he said. He said, well, Deshaun has gotten better. Two things can be true. Deshaun could have gotten better from the time we started until now.
29:41Shannon Sharpe:It could also be true he's gotten better than Shador. Y 'all make it seem like it ain't got to be mutually exclusive.
29:51Shannon Sharpe:Y 'all know how this thing works. Hey. Don't try. Hey, if he said it, he said it. But to my right, I don't remember him saying that. And we try to watch a lot of what these guys said. Obviously, we got a vested interest in looking at the Cleveland Browns because this is supposed to be the year. They got a new head coach. Deshaun is finally healthy. Shadour has a year up on his belt. And, you know, they traded the best player, tried to get some draft capital because they realized they're more than one player away. Bro, and I told Ocho this last year, Joe. I said, Joe, I would trade Miles Garrett.
30:32Shannon Sharpe:Ocho's talking about, man, why you gonna trade your best player? I said, you can finish your last place without him. Get some... Come on, man.
30:42Joe Johnson:That's a good one. I didn't understand it, but I kind of get it now. I kind of pushed back when you said that because it didn't make any sense to me. But now I get it.
30:57Shannon Sharpe:Hey, hey. Yeah, you get you. I give you a couple of good players, don't you? Hey, but when you listen to Todd Monk and talk, I heard him say, I wouldn't go that far when he was saying like Watson is... Yeah, for him to say, I wouldn't go that far, it further lets me know, man, he think Haleel Shador. I think he really thinks Haleel Shador. That man say, I wouldn't... But when you got off... He said, I wouldn't go that far. What'd you say? Yeah. But when you got bosses, you got the answer to them.
31:27Joe Johnson:I don't think a head coach would show his hand anyway too, Joe. He won't show his hand. I feel like he said a lot just in that little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I understand what you mean. But they'll never show their hand. They'll never allow the media to say, okay, you can tell he's leaning towards a certain player.
31:48Shannon Sharpe:You probably see it more in basketball than you do football, Joe. But when you see a guy, you're like, man, that guy out there, man, look at that guy. He should be playing, but he ain't. You know, man making all that money, he ain't been to play in front of him.
32:09Shannon Sharpe:That ain't been to happen.
32:14Shannon Sharpe:Here's how the QB performed today. 11 v. 11 v. 11 today. Shadour Sanders. he took all the first team reps, 16 of 23, three touchdowns. Deshaun Watson, 15 of 22, two touchdowns. Dylan Gabriel, five of eight, no touchdowns. None of the quarterbacks threw a pick.
32:35Joe Johnson:That's a nice solid day too, man. And I will take it from that, especially 11-on-11, that mean the offense won the day.
32:44Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. That was some hell of a percentage, huh?
32:47Joe Johnson:Yeah, that's pretty damn good for both of them.
32:51Shannon Sharpe:nigga hey hey yeah you go 36 of 53 yeah you have pretty five touchdowns yeah that's a damn good that's a damn good that's a great day that ain't no good day that's a great day I don't know man damn that must have been all red zone what's the date you think so the day Monday that you're three touchdowns, man, you can't get no damn three touchdowns in field play. I mean, five touchdowns in field play, Ocho, unless you go on bombs over Baghdad. Might have been bombs
33:29Joe Johnson:over you. All the clips on Twitter is bombs over Baghdad. So that might have been it.
33:40Shannon Sharpe:CD Lamb is calling for Jerry Jones to pay George Pickens. I don't have no ego here. I want to win. I don't understand this narrative of X, Y, Z, but it is what it is. I'm sure we can make a way. I know it's going to be a little crazy, but I know we can make a way for this one. Listen to my advocation. At Jerry, can you please figure out a way? Let's figure it out. I don't care what needs to happen. Let's figure it out. It's going to get you a couple more championships. $94 million is tied up this year between CeeDee Lamb and Dak Prescott. Quinny Williams just signed a three-year, $105 million, basically$106 million extension to make him the second highest paid defensive lineman in all of football.
34:22Shannon Sharpe:Joe? Hey. Oh, Joe? Yeah, talk to me. Hey, Jerry the one in that Dale Goyard bag, didn't he? He's spinning it. He's spinning it. Hey, listen. Hey, hey, hey, hey. I like big Quentin Williams. You know, here recently I heard him talk about how he wanted to help Dak Prescott and CeeDee Lamb and the guys get to a Super Bowl. So listen, now that Dallas has really invested in you, They didn't give you that investment now. Hey, look, big fella been doing his thing since we got him, unking the trade last year. Second half, our run defense was pretty good. Now, our secondary, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, I mean, we need some work.
35:00Shannon Sharpe:But we didn't pick that up too. But I'm just saying, I like this. And I honestly think, I honestly think CD going, I mean, not CD, but Pickens going to get taken care of too. Y 'all know Jerry like the bells and whistles, man. You know, he like to do stuff right before the season by the kickoff. You know why C.D. is saying this, Ocho? He know this thing. He know this thing going. He know this thing going north of$45 million. You let this thing, Jerry, you let this thing play out, you might be looking at$50 million.
35:30Joe Johnson:Absolutely.
35:31Shannon Sharpe:Is that? And plus Dak. You think Dak said that he rubbed his hand like Birdman. So this is what C.D. tried to get ahead of this. Go ahead, Ocho.
35:43Joe Johnson:I think the owners know. Jerry knows. is certain players, you know what, you try to bet against your own players. This is what they're doing. They did this with Jamar Chase as well, Uncle Joe. They told Chase, you know what, we want to see if you can do it again. Basically, so Chase, they bet against you. Now, in this instance, franchising them in general is telling you, listen, we value you, but we don't value you enough to give you a long-term deal, so we betting against you to see if you can do what you did last year. Can you repeat it again? CeeDee knows. CeeDee knows he's going to be able to repeat that again.
36:17Joe Johnson:I think people are underestimating how good George Pickens is because they're worried about all the stuff that happened in Pittsburgh. I know. I know better. And I understand. I understand what CeeDee is saying, but is somebody going to take a pay cut? Is somebody going to take a pay cut? You know, in order to give George Pickens what his true value is based on what he's able to do? No, probably not. And I love CeeDee.
36:41Shannon Sharpe:No, Jerry's going to need to take a pay cut.
36:43Joe Johnson:I love – Or Steven or Charlotte. And I love that CeeDee Lamb is advocating for Pick getting his money, man. It's tremendous, showing that he's a team player as well. But he's deserving. Everyone else has gotten paid. Everyone else has gotten paid as far as top receivers are concerned, their true value, and it's time for Pick.
37:04Shannon Sharpe:Because you got to realize, Ocho, when he did this, the franchise tag, now you already got another guy that's over$40 million. You got JSN over$40 million. You got Chase over$40 million. Puka is going to get$40 plus million. So now that franchise tag that was$28 million, and plus you got to give him what, 100? I think you got to give him 120 % of what the franchise tag was last year. So with that being said, now you're at$34,$35 million, and that's hard cap money. The thing which you want is to get some relief. You want as this thing moves out, you want the cap to increase. I mean, you had a cap here to hurt you.
37:43Shannon Sharpe:But the first couple of years, Ochoa, you're like, hey, we ain't paid him enough money. We signed him. Hey, we done gave him$30,$40 million that's signing. Guaranteed him another$60 million. So whatever the case may be. But C.D. sees what's happening on the horizon. Unlike C.D., he's navigating. Jerry, I don't know. Jerry might be asleep at the wheel. But C.D. is driving the Titanic. He see that big-ass iceberg that happens to be George Pickens having a phenomenal year. and it's going to cost Jerry somewhere between$45 and damn near$50 million. He said, Jerry, you better hurry up, because the last thing you want this man to do, to have a comparable season last year, become another All-Pro, and I promise you, he is not taking no franchise.
38:26Shannon Sharpe:He is not coming in. David Mulageta will not allow him to play on another franchise. He said, I'm going to do it this year. You gave me your word that you want to get this thing done. Hey, I understand. Man, I needed to build up credibility with you based on my prior history. But I would have gone a whole two years, and I really only had a minor slip-up, minor blip. But you know what I can do. You see it firsthand on the practice field. You see I cook every DB in practice that y 'all throwing in front of me. Now, I'm going to do the same thing again this season. But, Jerry, the longer you wait, yesterday's price ain't today's price.
39:04Joe Johnson:And he pick as one of them ones, man. He's so unpredictable on the field. You never know what he's going to do when he gets the ball in his hands. He makes unbelievable, tremendous catches. I mean, his range, man, as a receiver, whether it's short, intermediate, or deep balls, man, he makes it happen. So it's the fact that they have two number one, Joe, over there in Dallas. Their offense is going to be unbelievable and must-see TV week in and week out. As long as that defense shows up to the party, y 'all going to be straight, boy, I'm telling you.
39:35Shannon Sharpe:Amen. Man, listen, I think we got a really great chance. I know y 'all tired of hearing this. It's all cliche, the Cowboys fan. They got that. Hey, listen. Don't say it to you. We got a real chance. Listen, the boy going to have some fire behind him. You know what I mean? Pete going to come up. He going to have another hell of a year. And as long as we winning, Jerry going to spin it. Y 'all already know it. Yeah, okay. It costs more. Because you know what I'm saying? We all look back at, man, I should have bought Apple when that thing was trading at$100 a share. Man, I should have bought Netflix.
40:11Shannon Sharpe:I remember Netflix was trading at$2 a share. Man, I should have bought Nvidia. I should have bought, man, if I'd have just got Google. I remember Google was supposed to open up at$85 a share and open up at$110,$115. Man, if I'd have just let. We all look back and say what we should have done. Jerry's going to look back. I'm telling you, Joe. He's going to wait until the offseason. and he going to look back and it's going to cost him just like he cost Chase. He could have got Chase for probably about$36 million. Because what you call him, he could have got a million, million five more than what Jetta was making at the time.
40:46Shannon Sharpe:But instead, he tacked on another$16,$20 million to the contract. Chase said thank you. Hey, when you think about it, seriously. You know, like I tell you, Jerry liked the bells and whistles. Y 'all don't think he'll get this done right before the season about to crank up. You know how he do week one because he wanted all about the Cowboys. I don't think he can do it without Joe. I mean, because you think about what he's paid. I mean, and Jerry, I will say this, he's spending some money. You look at that offensive line, Booker and the other guy that he paid the money to, he got Dak. That's the thing.
41:23Shannon Sharpe:You win the Super Bowl, Dak going to get damn near 500 million. He going to get a Patrick Hall contract.
41:29Joe Johnson:Absolutely.
41:30Shannon Sharpe:Hey, no, no, no. And now you got a$70 million quarterback, a$45 to$48 million receiver? Hey, C.D. said, yeah, Jerry, go ahead. Because what you do is that when Pete pulling, Pete going up the mountain, he dragging C.D. right behind him. C.D. had 34 million. He dragging C.D. damn near close to falling. Yeah, absolutely. It's a good problem to have. C.D. think he's slick. I see what you're doing, C.D. Because y 'all know C.D. is slick now. Y 'all saw him on draft night. Oh, yeah. Old girl thought Carter Cameron was on him. She's going to be able to look at that phone. Like Denzel said without man grabbing.
42:06Shannon Sharpe:You get your hands off me.
42:08Joe Johnson:Hey, but you also have to understand the nature of the business now. You have to understand these owners. You know? Now, Joe, as much as you'd love to pick, you know, to get his money, you have to understand how these owners went, how these owners operate in general. What are my chances? What are my chances? There's a small window of opportunity that the Cowboys have to actually make and make way and try to compete for that Lombardi trophy. And owners always think we want to pay as little as possible while having that chance to do so. We want to pay as little as possible.
42:39Shannon Sharpe:That's just simple business.
42:40Joe Johnson:Yeah, that's the way they think.
42:43Shannon Sharpe:We talk about restaurants. What they do now? You don't ask for ketchup, they don't put nothing in the bag. You don't ask for sauce, they don't put nothing in the bag. Oh, excuse me. That goes towards overhead. What the hell are you talking about, Joe? because what we found out, y 'all was just throwing away them sauces. Y 'all was throwing away them ketchups. I held on. Hey, so that's, and I understand business. You know, hey, you try to, you know, you want to treat everybody, you know, you want to treat everybody fairly. That's the one thing because when people work hard, you want to show them that you really appreciate them for their hard work and the effort that they're putting in.
43:20Shannon Sharpe:And so you want to make sure you're fairly compensating them. But Jerry's like, you know what? Hey, ooh. Damn, I can't pay everybody. Damn. But you got to have about five or six core guys that's eating up the majority. And then you got to – because if they have the season that Joe that you think they're going to have, it's going to cost you$70 million. Well, the thing is you hope that some of them young guys, them young draft picks, you hope that they overperform. You know what I mean? Yeah. To help the situation because, yeah, when you got a lot of money tied up and just a few guys, man, some of them other guys got to over-deliver, Ocho.
44:03Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. You know what, Ocho? You know what Jay is probably thinking? He's hoping Flannoy shine. Because remember last year, Flannoy showed up. Towards the last five or six games. So now he's looking at, well, hey, Flannoy, I can save me. Ocho, having played the game, you know how they think. This is how they think, Joe. The same way they do in the NBA. That young player, like, hold on. He ain't playing for 22 minutes. He giving us 13, 14 points in those 22. Now, we bump that up to 30, 32. Yeah. Huh. Now, this guy, he going to walk 45, 50 mil. I can get him for 20. Yeah. Oh, the 20 it is.
44:46Joe Johnson:Hey, every time.
44:50Shannon Sharpe:I done seen it. Hey, I've seen it two million times. to get the young guys, like you said, Joe, you want them to perform. And all of a sudden the guy goes out there, this high-ticket item. You're like, hold on. Just like anything, how much is that? How much is this? And this does pretty much the same thing as that? Oh, okay. But I just – if Pig has the type of season that we know, that everybody that's on this conversation that we're having knows that he can have, I don't see how you get him for less than 45.
45:23Joe Johnson:It's going to be tough. It's going to be tough. And the fact, I know, Joe, and everybody in the chat that's watching, I know Pick can go ahead that kind of season because of the quarterback he has thrown to him. There we go. People want to talk trash about Dak and all this, and he won a playoff game and all that. Man, forget what you're talking about. I'm just talking about the instance and Pick being able to get his money based on his quarterback play. He finna get that boy to rock.
45:49Shannon Sharpe:speaking into existence, Ojo.
45:50Joe Johnson:He should. I hope so. No, I mean, it's going to happen regardless. It's just going to happen. Man, they are that good. CD is that good. I can't wait. I can't wait. He is that good. There are a few players. There are a handful of players, Joe. There are a handful of players on every team. You got one, two, sometimes you got three that you just don't have to worry about, and they make everybody else's job around them easy because their ceiling is that high, and they're that goddamn good at their specific position. George Pickett is one of those. CeeDee Lamb is one of those. For sure.
46:23Shannon Sharpe:He just needed to get out of Pittsburgh. That's it. He had to run his course. That's it. He had to run his course. You know, my tea is about winning. And you tolerate, and all of a sudden, the longer you tolerate something, the worse the behavior. Because there are very few times that we have corrective tendencies in our own behavior. Something has to, a lesson has to be, you know, something has to happen for a lesson to be learned. And it took George Pickens being moved. And people are like, hold on. He probably said about like, damn. Man, I'm 24, 25 years old. And I'm the best receiver we got.
47:03Shannon Sharpe:And they say like, they cool getting on. Now, I will say this. Now, when the Steelers get fed up, they will move on. Absolutely. Once they get fed up, Plex, San Antonio Holmes, hey, hey, hey, hey. But they do the best job of drafting receivers. Nobody drafts a position like the Pittsburgh Steelers draft wide receivers. I defy you to find somebody to say they draft a position like the Steelers. When you look at from Plexico to San Antonio Holmes to A.B. to Emmanuel Sanders to Mike Wallace.
47:42Joe Johnson:I think Cincinnati might be close in comparison to receivers coming in. George Pickens.
47:48Shannon Sharpe:Yes. You look at who the Steelers have drafted. I mean, go back to Coach Coward, Hines Ward, and Yancey Thigpen, and all those guys, and come on up. You know Thigpen? You play against Thigpen? I can play against.
48:01Joe Johnson:I'm just saying, you jog on my memory with some of the names.
48:04Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We are against him when he was at Pittsburgh, and then he ended up going to Tennessee. But, no, I just think the thing is that I just want Pig to have that year because I want the man to get paid. Look, Jerry will tolerate a lot. Jerry ain't make no big deal. Now, see what the thing is now. He didn't make no big deal live, but when it comes negotiating time, now you know you missed a couple of those meetings. You know you was late for a couple of those. You ain't say nothing then. When I went out there and dropped Sam for a buck, 44-2 touchdowns, you was over there pat me on the back.
48:40Shannon Sharpe:Now I'm in here trying to get my money. You're going to talk about, well, you know. Yeah, I know. And you know what I'm capable of doing. Hey, what Jerry say? Hey, just leave the agent out of this. Me and you need to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I can finish it.
48:53Joe Johnson:He would love that part, Joe. You hear me? Leaving the agent out? Oh, no. Don't never do that. No, sir. Nah.
49:03Shannon Sharpe:If they leave, they leave Nicole Lynn out. They don't leave Todd France out. Come on now. Huh? When they go leave them out?
49:11Joe Johnson:Mm-mm.
49:13Shannon Sharpe:Nah, bro. I got to have him. That's what I hired him for. Yeah. I ain't no guy. Yeah. Could I save me a couple of million dollars? Nah. I just rather go ahead and make sure all my I's dotted, all my T's crossed. I don't have to give no money back. I can't say I double dip and none of that foolishness like that. I want everything I'm supposed to get, and he can protect all my blind spots. Like, nah, this ain't a good deal. But, hey, I'm happy for CeeDee. I'm happy for CeeDee as well, but I'm happy for George Pickens because he seemed to have found a home. He seems to have something to play for.
49:55Shannon Sharpe:This is the George Pickens that I saw in Georgia. This is the guy that I saw in Georgia. Now, the reason why he went in the second round was some of the characteristics that we saw in Pittsburgh, Ocho, because he had first-round talent. Ain't no question about it. All you got to do is put it. We ain't fit to sit here and pretend like George Biggins are for real second-round pick. You a liar. You lying to me. Absolutely not. Lying to truth ain't in you. Ain't nowhere around you either. Hey, hey. All you got to do is put it in the damn area. You hear me? That's it. That young man coming up with the ball, bro.
50:30Shannon Sharpe:Mm-hmm. Go ahead. But I think the thing, plus, and CD was like, man, I know what y 'all tried. Y 'all say, well, A and he X and I Y and this Z. Nah, ain't no controversy between us.
50:41Joe Johnson:Not enough.
50:42Shannon Sharpe:Hey, if I'm late, he late. If he late, I'm late. We'll package. We'll package deal. So, hey, you can't have one without the other.
50:54Shannon Sharpe:Do you agree with ISO? This is the Cowboys year. 64 % says yes. Well, what we talking about? Whatever. Hey, finish up. 12 % says yes. Look at Ash. Man, look at Ash. So all we got is yes. We ain't got no no's, no nothing. We got 64 % says yes. 12 % says yes. 7 % says yes. 16 % says yes. Y 'all know the Cowboys fan base. We travel, and it's a lot of them in the damn chat tonight. Chat, what's happening? Yeah. Y 'all ain't been going nowhere but to a way game. When the last time y 'all been to a playoff game?
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54:58Shannon Sharpe:speaking of quinnity williams cowboys evp stephen jones about williams new deal he's a great player one of the hardest practicing guys out there every time he lines up you feel him he doesn't take anything for granted he doesn't say hey i got this i'll let my play do the talking you see it he's the best player on the field whenever he's out there and the other thing is that what a man he is. He's a leader. We didn't have a lot of leadership on defense the last couple of years to have him, Kenny Clark, Rashawn Gary. I think it really picked up over there in terms of culture and leadership. Now, I don't know how you think.
55:32Shannon Sharpe:That's a shot to me. Shot. You know what? Hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Sound like he got a drum over there. He got a shot.
55:43Joe Johnson:He got a nice little Tommy gun.
55:44Shannon Sharpe:Shot's fired. Yeah. Yeah. That's fire. He fired that thing. If somebody's going to show. Now, you know what? That would be awful presumptuous of me, and I don't like to be presumptuous. But it seemed like he said he's a leader. We didn't have a lot of leadership on the defense the last couple of years. To have him, him, you was able to get him because what you gave up to Green Bay because that was one of the first-round picks. Kenny Clark, you got Kenny Clark in the trade for what you gave up. Rashawn Gary, I think it really picked up over there in terms of culture. The last... They put all that on my...
56:24Shannon Sharpe:They put all that on sticks. They put all that on Mike. You think it was just Mike or they put it on?
56:30Joe Johnson:No, they can't put it. Listen, most of the time, you know, there's certain players that are just in them to lead. Then you have certain players that do their leading by example on the goddamn field. Everybody's not going to conduct themselves in the way Stephen Jones sees Quentin Williams. Everybody's not. Sticks was a great player. He was also very young, too. So seeing him as this vocal leader or one that leads by example, maybe that's not him. Maybe he didn't want that responsibility. If this is pertaining to him and what he's saying. I'm just saying. Let me ask you a question.
57:06Shannon Sharpe:Take your time, too. What's Dallas culture? Walk into the Ravens locker room. I bet you know what it is. walk into Kansas City's locker room. I bet you know what it is.
57:18Joe Johnson:So the question I have, what's the culture? What is their identity? Forget the culture. What's their identity? What has it been all these years? Has it ever been anybody on the defensive side of the ball? Let's start there. Has it ever been their defense?
57:34Shannon Sharpe:At what point? I mean, when they were the Super Bowl, you know, you had guys on it, you had time, and you had a Haley. You had guys that could play, but they still was, as great as the defense was, they were the triplets. Bingo. Michael, Emmitt, and Troy. And that massive, gargantuan offensive line. As great as that defense was, and they were great. Tolbert and Lett and Maryland and Haley and Time and Woodson, they had phenomenal players over there.
58:07Joe Johnson:Matter of fact, too, hey, Joe. What's up? I think you probably remember. isn't Quentin Williams the one that sneezed during the interview and blessed himself and blessed himself?
58:15Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.
58:17Joe Johnson:You already know the kind of player you're getting. You already know the kind of player you're getting. Great character. Hey Joe he sneezed and blessed himself. Yeah.
58:30Shannon Sharpe:It's y 'all gotta let that go y 'all gotta let that go Steve. I get it. Yeah Michael. Micah, I know it rubbed y 'all the wrong way because normally you guys get what you want. Normally, from what all indication, from what you've been reading, allegedly when Jerry Jones has a handshake deal, when he calls the guy in there and he says, we got a deal, we got a deal right, you shake his hand. Jerry said, you shake his hand, whatever we agreed to. If I agreed to give you half of the Cowboys and you shook my hand, don't you come back and talk about you want all the Cowboys. So if you shook my hand and said, this is the deal that we got a deal, that's how he looked at it.
59:07Shannon Sharpe:And once Jerry felt that Micah reneged, there was no going back. There was nothing he could do. Because he told him, you either play on this contract or you ain't playing at all. You decide. Jerry, one of them old school guys like that, is they way out of high school. Them Southern guys, I don't know how they do. I can just speak for how we do things in the South, Joe. The funny thing about it. Hey, you give a man your word, that's all you got.
59:33Joe Johnson:You got to stand on it. Even with that word in handshake, you know, it was in the best interest of Jerry. It was convenient for Jerry. It wasn't in the best interest of the player. And it definitely wasn't convenient for him. Especially with the numbers he was... Come on, man. Hold on, hold on.
59:46Shannon Sharpe:But let's say I'm Jerry. Me and Michael got a great relationship. He comes over to the ranch and hang out all the time. Hey, Joe.
59:54Joe Johnson:They're never friends. That's all performative behavior.
59:59Shannon Sharpe:Because... No, you know why? Because Jerry is always in an advantageous situation.
1:00:07Shannon Sharpe:billionaires have billionaire friends
1:00:12Shannon Sharpe:listen to what I said I'm going to say that again we can never be friends a crocodile and an antelope can never be friends he's always in an advantageous situation because he can eat me how can I be friends with Jerry he got the upper hand
1:00:29Joe Johnson:and they love to play the game
1:00:34Shannon Sharpe:let's be real with this Let's be honest. Let's have a real conversation chat. Y 'all know I ain't making this up. How can that man be friend? We can be friendly. What's the difference? There's a difference between an S and an L. Why? Because, hey, guess what? You're still friends. Why? What's the term that we use? Situational. Come on now. Positional. Come on now. Look at the position you in. look at the position I'm in.
1:01:10Joe Johnson:Hey, you know, hey, hey, hey, hey, go ahead, Joe, what you want to say? Joe, you want to know how an owner really feels about you? Whether you're really friends or not, friendly or friends or not, you want to know how you're really friends? Is when you are no longer of value to your team. When you're no longer of value, when you're off the payroll, when you're off the books, do they still treat you the same? Huh? Or do they still treat you the same?
1:01:41Shannon Sharpe:Nah. Now he got... Now the guy that I'm going to say that he, that's not going to be his son old Michael Irvin. Oh yeah. Old Michael? Yeah. Old Michael?
1:01:54Shannon Sharpe:Mike got a different relationship over there, boy. Hey. Very, very different. Hey, hey, hey. Very, very different. I don't mean like that over there
1:02:02Joe Johnson:in Denver too though, huh?
1:02:04Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Joe, we got new ownership. Okay. But prior to the new ownership, and don't get me wrong, the Walton Penner family treat me great when I do go back. When they invite us back, I was just out there to sit down at the Bronco reunion about the back-to-back Super Bowls. They were great. They were doing the facility. They gave us a tour, a slight tour of the facility, and it was great to have us back. And the guys, they have a suite where the alumni get to come and they sit in the box, especially the guys that are there full time. So they're great. But Mr. B and I had a different relationship. I was only the second player that Mr.
1:02:41Shannon Sharpe:B drafted that went to – I was the first to go in the Hall of Fame. Atwater was drafted before me, but he went to the Hall after me. So there was a – obviously John was not drafted by the Broncos. He was traded from the Colts to the Broncos. But there ain't very many players that came that when Mr. B was there that had a relationship. relationship. John, I would probably say John had the best relationship with him, but I was probably next. That was probably next month. There's no question about that. And even his, even his kids tell me that what he thought of me and how he, you know, he spoke highly of me.
1:03:16Shannon Sharpe:I was the only way I go in his office. I go in his office, steal his glasses. Uh, he come downstairs in the training room and where he would normally be sit. I'll be sitting in the chair with my feet up on the table, just It's like he'd have his feet up on the table. Yeah, Joe. So we had that type of relationship. But, yeah, I think the thing is, look, if you hire an agent, if Joe, if I own a team, Joe is his representation. Okay, I can have this back and forth with Joe. Okay, Joe, this is what we're offering. You know, Joe says, I want 15 % of the cap. Or I want 20 % of the cap. Whatever the case.
1:03:51Shannon Sharpe:However you guys do it, Joe. Okay. But if Joe has a representative, hey, I'm going to have them look at you. Hey, Joe, do you still have the same representation? Because who do we call? Because we like to start negotiating. We like to start talking about something. That's the way you do it. You don't try to go behind somebody's back when you know they got representation. Ocho? But you know why you're going there.
1:04:17Joe Johnson:You're trying to take the easy lot out. Because your agent is going to get what's best for you. and a little bit more. The owner is going to undermine you and give you less. He's always trying to do what's in the best interest for him and the team, which is never going to be ever. In your best interest. Ever. Ever. But, hey, I like that one. I like that one. We brought that up, too, about friends and friendly. It's two totally different things. but a wake-up call for a lot of players is how those organizations and those owners treat you once you're no longer a value once you're no longer an asset how do they treat you now and I just think about for you Unc I know for you and Denver's probably good but the doors when I go to Cincinnati Joe yeah boy hey man listen hey and the Ravens
1:05:15Shannon Sharpe:still treat me oh Joe You don't give me a hard time until I only had a cup of coffee there. But for the two years I was there, they still treat me great. Anything I ask for, if I need a helmet or I need this or I need that, I don't have no problem.
1:05:32Joe Johnson:Hey, Joe, Cincinnati good to me, boy. I mean, the city and the entire city, you know, for whatever to do, what I was able to do during my time there. The Brown family, boy, Joe, it's like I'm one of their own. and maybe because I only go back every blue moon. I go to one game a season, Joe. That's how I am. It's not like I'm there all the time and they see me all the time. But, boy, when I do come, you tell me I roll the red carpet out?
1:05:57Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Hey, hey, hey.
1:05:58Joe Johnson:You want tickets to a game? Yeah, come on.
1:06:01Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, hey, hey, hey. They don't mind seeing you, but if you overstay your damn welcome, you know. Yeah. You know. And I don't call. If I call, Joe, if I call, I'm paying for the tickets. I don't want, because the thing is, if I'm coming, I know they'll give me the tickets. But if I'm going to want somebody else, no, no, no, I'm going to pay for the tickets. That's how I operate. I come, they're going to take, I know they're going to take care of me, be it Baltimore, be it the Broncos. I already know that. But with that being said, I can't expect just because I spent 12 years there, I spent two years there, and we won championships together.
1:06:37Shannon Sharpe:Hey, I need four tickets. I need two tickets. Yeah. But that's how they do. Hey, hey, Char, man, hey, man, let me get a case of La Porte.
1:06:49Shannon Sharpe:I got partners. So what happens if I give you a case, and then one of my other partners, he gives somebody a case, and then one of the other partners gives somebody a case, and then another partner gives somebody a case. That's 24 bottles. Man, if you ain't standing there who know you, bro, they hitting you. They want some of that La Porte. They do, man. They do, man. I'm like, damn, bro. Maybe I can get you a bottle, but damn a case. He's trying to wholesale it over there. Hey, Ocho, did y 'all speak on what you was talking about, though? Yeah. Man, some of these owners, you're right. I mean, you ain't going to be their best damn friend now, but you got to take advantage of the opportunities that's presented to you.
1:07:28Shannon Sharpe:Meaning, while I'm under contract here and I have this opportunity, you never know what could come from there. But you're right. Once you're done and you ain't playing with that damn team, It ain't many owners who gonna pick up the phone for you still. I'm gonna keep it real. Out of me playing 17, 18 years, I probably had about three of the owners. And I probably, if I called them right now, still to this day, you know, they would answer. But I ain't never, you know what I mean? You like me, Joe. Not unless I really, really, really, really, really, really, really. Matter of fact, matter of fact, to give you an example, Joe.
1:08:07Joe Johnson:and chat, if I fell on hard times right now, like all bulldrivers have, if I was really effed up and really needed it, well, you know, I could pick up the phone, but I could call Mr. Brown. Mr. Brown, listen, man, I messed up, you know, whatever, whatever, whatever the situation might have been, hypothetically speaking, I need a little help to get myself on my feet. Man, Mr. Brown wouldn't hesitate, boy. remember I'm no longer a value to you. You've already paid me what? Millions of dollars during my time.
1:08:40Shannon Sharpe:For what I've done.
1:08:40Joe Johnson:He wouldn't even bring all that up.
1:08:42Shannon Sharpe:What you need Ocho? That's it. Yeah. That's what I am when I call Ozzy. Boy what you want? I say Ozzy what makes you think I want some? Because he said that's the only time I hear from you. Yeah. I say Ozzy I don't want to. I just want to talk. I want to talk to my good friend. He said, what you take me for? But no, but look, you're right. When you're there, but that's what I tell these guys. Man, just play hard. Just play hard. Stay out of trouble the best you can, and you'll never know when you'll need said individual. It might be for a job interview. It might be for a chair. It might be for a donation.
1:09:22Shannon Sharpe:It might be for something. You don't know what the future holds. Like I said, I had, look, I didn't know when you go to the Hall of Fame, man, you know you're inviting people like, hey, when you start, hey, mom, they give you two comps. I mean, basically what it is is your brother gets to come and he gets one. And then everybody else you got to pay for. You know, your kids, you know, your coaches, all them people, you got to pay for that and you got to put them up. And so they're getting there Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night. You know, you got to pay for all that. That's expensive.
1:09:57Shannon Sharpe:And the meal that you feed them, you got to pay. That comes – man, look. Mr. Bowles say, hey, send me 30 names. 30? Man, some people about to get left out. Go get a chance to come. Why don't people be coming up there? Hey, doing that. Some of my team, my college teammates got an opportunity to come? Hey, yeah. That's – hey, that's a – like I said, I just played hard. I didn't do it expecting that to be the case down the road, Ocho. I just played. That's all I do, Joe. That's just you. That's just me. That's just me. That's just me.
1:10:39Joe Johnson:Yeah, you can't. And you can't. And Joe. What's that? Never burn no bridges, boy. Never burn a bridge? You might have to go back across. Never burn no bridges, boy. Because you don't know who know who. Especially, you know, later on down the road. And you might. You never know what it is. It could be a job or opportunity. and, you know, so-and-so played for you? Yeah. Oh, well, he trying to get... Man, yeah, he good. He good to go. Man, dog, Joe, I'm telling you, especially that circle of people, you don't understand the reach they have, boy. And as a player, the one thing that, you know,
1:11:15Shannon Sharpe:you got to take advantage of the opportunity that you have right now as you're playing. It's kind of, it's hard. Right now, you'll never be this hard again. It's hard to do because you're so immersed into the game that you ain't really thinking about all that. But, man, if you got a side hustle you want to do or something that you think you may want to get into when you done playing that sport, man, it's no better time to do it than when you playing, bro, because you got everything right there at your fingertips. And people want to work with you here. Well, they say back then you didn't know me.
1:11:43Shannon Sharpe:Now I'm hot, you're all on me. So when you hot, it'll be all on you. I get Chip Conway with the Broncos. When he first started in 93, Chip brought mail. Chip would put mail in the mail slots. Bring, hey, Chip, let me put my bloggers. Because back then, the phone, you get messages, somebody call you, they put who it was on the phone, because you could call. Hey, this is such and such. I'm calling for Ocho. What's your name? Oh, Amber. What's your phone number? They had all that wrote down. What time she called, her name, and her phone number. Hey, you guys, what about that? Hold on. Man, I just told her that chick on the day.
1:12:22Shannon Sharpe:She calling for him? Because the slot's right there. You got your name on it. And the slot right there. Chip run the whole damn Broncos now. Damn. Where they stand at the hotel. When they fly. All that. He handles all that. All the day-to-day operations. Chip run it.
1:12:43Shannon Sharpe:Started out in the mail room. Gotta enjoy what you do. You just. You never know.
1:12:53Shannon Sharpe:I call I pick up the phone Call it Chill That's just what I need Gotcha Call Flip In the equipment room Got it But like I said I'm like y 'all I don't bother the people About that I go about my business Man shop I know you can get it I'm saying to myself You're right I'm good But I'm not They see me once a year When I need a favor Like Oh yo That's a favor A favor like that I gotta use that for me hello you know one of them favorite like that I can't use that for you oh yeah I might get you I might get you one of them pink towels I might get you salute to the service Joe I can get you something like that hey I'm with you but man you hold on hey man hey let me get a PS2 jersey
1:13:54Shannon Sharpe:I ain't got no PS2 jersey Come on now Man, hey Man, you played for the Ravers, right? Yeah, I played for the Ravers I was on the championship team I thought so Man, you cool with Lamar? Bro, Lamar Jackson was in like second grade
1:14:14Shannon Sharpe:He might have been in second What grade was Lamar? How old Lamar? Lamar might be 28 now, 29? Yeah, he was a baby, bro. He was a baby. Yeah, Lamar was nine years old in 2000. Come on, man, Lamar. Come on. Come on, man. Y 'all be having some ridiculous stuff. He's 29. He's 29. So in 2000, so he's about seven years. So he'll be 30 in 27. So, man, that man was about six, seven years old.
1:14:53Shannon Sharpe:Come on, Daz Hell no, he was about to three Lamar was born in 97 Lamar was three Damn
1:15:09Shannon Sharpe:No,
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