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20:20Shannon Sharpe:I can't do it. Same thing, Joe. I ain't going to miss my assignments. We got to win this game because if we lose this game, they're going to show this film. Lord, please let us. Hey, John, please make a play. Let us come back because I don't want nobody to see. Boy, I was terrible. Hey, Sean, what you do on this play? I think I got him. Nothing. Nothing. That's what Sharp did on this play. Absolutely, totally nothing. That's what Sharp did. But it's tough. It's tough when you've been a really good player for a period of time and then injuries won't allow you to be that. People don't know you're injured.

21:02Shannon Sharpe:Let me tell you something else. Don't give a damn if you're injured. All they know is they see They see Alexander on the back of that jersey. They saw Johnson on the back of that jersey. They saw Ocho Cinco on the back of that jersey. They don't give a damn about you got an ankle or a toe or a knee or a hip or a back. They don't give a damn about that. You out there, I'm expecting you to make the same plays that I've seen you make time and time again for the last five, ten years. Make them now. Yes, sir. Absolutely right. Your teammates have the same expectations. and they put that your teammates put that pressure on you hey you be good to go Sunday right?

21:41Shannon Sharpe:Damn dude it's Tuesday man hey hey you know hey and then the coaches you know we gonna put the game plan now we know we relying on you cause we got you in the game plan y 'all ain't had me in the game plan before I got her now you got me in the game plan now Ocho now I'm in the game plan but it's tough I've been in Jair's shoes where I've been injured and knowing I'm hurt but all they see is 84 and they see sharp on the back of that jersey. That's what they see. Expectations don't change. Copenhagen's spit-free packs American-grown tobacco into pouches made from when your elbows deep in an engine block.

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26:24Shannon Sharpe:Ocho you're gonna like this story on his way home from blowing out the bills Dolphins coach Mike McDaniel drove by elbow elbow room elbow room a bar where Bills fans congregate when Buffalo's in town to troll their fans McDaniel was asked about it today let's take a listen to what he had to say is that real Well, you know, that's why I like the good old days, you know, the throwbacks of yore. You could trust, you know, the Internet and the images because, you know, it is pretty detailed. You know, I do live in that area, but I mean, AI, right? That doesn't mean a question. Was that you? Are you confirming or denying?

27:13I mean, I live in that area. AI is real that's what I got for you okay

27:24Joe Johnson:I like it

27:26Shannon Sharpe:two things can be true he can live in that area well three things he lives in that area AI is real and that was him

27:37Joe Johnson:which one is it hell yeah it was him it's a video of him is that him right there You heard me? Listen, I'm looking at it. You got to be careful, though, because you know AI don't play.

27:52Shannon Sharpe:Ocho.

27:54Joe Johnson:So AI put him

27:55Shannon Sharpe:in a Bentley. They could have put him in any other car. No, that's a Benz. He drive a Benz. It's a Bentley. So they ain't put him in no Honda. They ain't put him in no Subaru. They ain't put him in nothing. They put him in that.

28:11Joe Johnson:Is that him? Who is that? Hey, that's funny though. That's funny. That's funny. I like Mike McDaniel, man.

28:20Shannon Sharpe:You beat a team for the first time in seven meetings. It's your first time beating them since 2022. Yes, sir. And that's what you got. What's the Dolphins record? Have a

28:31Joe Johnson:little fun, huh? Have a little fun. Hey, wait a minute. He just driving by.

28:38Shannon Sharpe:That's all. First of all, I don't know many, Most people that are famous, they ain't got their window down so you can see them. Oh, this is Miami. I know where he's at.

28:50Joe Johnson:Let me ask you a question. Hey, listen. Hey, down here in Miami, even the locals famous. You hear me? Pull up the schedule.

28:58Shannon Sharpe:Pull up the first 10 games.

29:05Joe Johnson:Woo. I got some coffee, huh? I hit a wall I got some coffee now my baby my baby done sent me some coffee we could be on this bitch at 3 o 'clock in the morning now I'm ready we got

29:19Shannon Sharpe:we pull up we pull up we pull up we pull up the schedule because I want to know

29:24Joe Johnson:I'll tell you what I'll tell you one thing one about I'll tell you one thing about the schedule you getting ready to pull up if the Dolphins play like they played against the goddamn Bills we'll run the goddamn table so let me ask you a question I'll tell you that and I'm very confident with that I'm very confident Ocho

29:38Shannon Sharpe:so let me ask you this uh-huh uh-huh when they lost 33 to 8 to the coast he lived in that area did he ride through with the window down oh i would do i would do you like jasmine crockett did it's a yes or no my colleagues want me to ask you it's a yes or no so when they lost 33 to 8 to the coast yes or no did he ride by slow with the window down with his arm out the window well it was hard to because it was okay when they lost to the patriots at home 33 7 33 27 did he do that then? Uh-huh. Now that, he didn't do it, huh? He didn't do it then?

30:10Joe Johnson:Yeah, he didn't do it that game. Oh, so what about the Chargers at home? Yeah, he didn't do it. Oh, hey, that was another one. Did he do it then? No, he had to go the other way.

30:20Shannon Sharpe:Oh, okay. So he moved. He just moved in this area. He just moved in this neighborhood. Yeah, he just got there late. Okay, let me ask you a question. I get it.

30:29Shannon Sharpe:When they lost 28-6 to Miami, I mean, did he drive slow, homie? Did he pull a Paul Wall? Did he drive slow home?

30:43Shannon Sharpe:Or did he pull a Will Smith, you know, summertime? Two miles an hour so everybody sees you.

30:48Joe Johnson:Summer, summer, summertime. Hey, that's a throwback. What you know about that?

30:53Shannon Sharpe:I'm going to sit back and unwind. No, I think, but that's not his original. I think that's a, I think the Isley Brothers or somebody did, that was the original Isley Brothers or.

31:04Joe Johnson:Or they got the original? Or Earth, Wind & Fire did the – might have been Earth, Wind & Fire.

31:16Shannon Sharpe:Oh, my goodness. That was funny. Even coaches doesn't got to be petty now. Hold on. I think – didn't Sean Payton have the bus drive through the city? Because that used to be a thing to have the bus driver drive around the stadium. For real?

31:35Joe Johnson:Hey, that's funny. Yeah. You know what I do like? You don't really get this from coaches sometimes. I think it's the players. I know it's players love this. Hey, this is Sean Payton on Broad Street

31:50Shannon Sharpe:playing Rocky. For real?

31:59Yeah.

32:00Joe Johnson:Sean Payton got that kind of personality too.

32:06Shannon Sharpe:man see this is that kind of stuff I would like like we beat somebody but you gotta be careful man you know what I think like you play the Raiders back when the Raiders was in Oakland oh nah you ain't doing that or when you play them in the Coliseum man

32:20Joe Johnson:no you ain't doing that

32:24Shannon Sharpe:they'll throw a whole car battery through that window hold on without thinking twice oh it's cool in the game I think it's called Summer Madness. That was cool in the game? Yeah. Ocho, contrary to what you think, a lot of these songs that's being played that you really really love, they samples. Yeah, it's

32:46Joe Johnson:samples? Okay.

32:50Shannon Sharpe:But nah, look. And it's madded. So A, I'll put you in a madded building. They ain't making regular black, white, blue Ocho. They got it madded. right

33:04Joe Johnson:oh my god hold on I need let me grab my sugar

33:07Shannon Sharpe:man man hey look I'm going to have me some fun we finally got we finally got a win after hold on how many losses we finally got a win oh well let's see one two three they had lost four of the last five so yeah yeah we had we had we had we had to had to stun on them but hey gotta try to have some fun they got a big game they in Spain they play the commanders right they play the commanders in Spain

33:42Joe Johnson:oh yeah I leave my flight at 8 in the morning

33:49Joe Johnson:hey what's what's Splendor you ever heard of that

33:54Shannon Sharpe:yeah most people have

34:00Shannon Sharpe:yeah it's a uh it's a substitute why what's up what's going on

34:05Joe Johnson:nothing i got my coffee but they they sent my coffee without putting uh put the sugar i ain't never seen no spender before most of the time i just get brown sugar white sugar you put brown sugar yeah what you know cafe con leche latte you okay sure yeah so

34:26Shannon Sharpe:so you ain't got no problem with this

34:30Joe Johnson:oh hell no you know I'm petty anyway you know I'm petty even at the wind listen people say oh y 'all gotta lose the record well we didn't lose the night so I'm gonna have some fun we didn't lose the night and he Mike McDaniel has the personality to be able to get away with that I think he absolutely does

34:51Shannon Sharpe:absolutely we got new video has emerged wait what happened Deron Payne punching Almond Ross St. Brown after this video we can't show the video I'm a firm believer y 'all know who I am I was the strongest and what I thought Deron Payne did was absolutely wrong Deron Payne reached out to me today on DM, and he was very, very respectful. And I'm not going to get to specifics, but basically he was saying, OG, I appreciate you. I love the way you played the game. Everything that you were able to accomplish, you were great. He said, but I didn't unprompt, just unload on, oh boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he sent me the video.

35:38Shannon Sharpe:Since I was the strongest, and my critique of Deron Payne, let me be the loudest and say, bro, I'm sorry. I'm sorry for judging you without knowing all the facts, because all I know is what was shown. Armand Ross St. Brown absolutely hit this man, unprompted. They were in a little shoving back and forth, and then he got a little quick when he went on. You know how we do a little thing right here, nobody looking. Hey, Uncle Le Chicken Wing, he get heated with a chicken wing. Yes, Javon Kidlaw, I owe you an apology too, because you said he did hit Deron Payne first. And I didn't believe you. So I want to apologize to you.

36:23Shannon Sharpe:But the biggest apology goes to Deron Payne. And I'm glad you did it. Because like my grandma used to say, I might not stop you, but I damn sure break you the habit. I guarantee you, Armand Ross St. Brian was dead ass wrong. Deron Payne, you should have. See, you don't get to do something to somebody and then talk about that was an overreaction. Keep your hands to yourself. You said he told – now, this is what Armand Ross St. Brown said Sunday and Monday before the video surfaced and said, yeah, he hit him because now he don't have a leg to stand on, Ocho and Joe. He said, you know, back and forth, he didn't say nothing too crazy, but he never mentioned the part that he hit Deron Payne in the face first.

37:07Shannon Sharpe:That never came out of his mouth. Right. Deron Payne, I'm sorry, bro. I am so sorry as a man I'm never and I've told you guys y 'all heard me say this on Undisputed I'm never gonna be too big to say I'm sorry I'm never gonna be too prideful I'm never gonna be too wealthy I'm never gonna be anything where I can't say I'm sorry I was wrong Deron Payne I was wrong I wish you to knock this ass out whoa whoa whoa whoa keep your hands keep your hands to yourself your grandma told you that Your mom told you that Joe. I know you heard it cause you from the South. But people don't really look at Miami like the South.

37:50Shannon Sharpe:Like we look at Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi, and Arkansas, all those states. Go ahead Joe.

37:57Joe Johnson:I understand you're supposed to keep your hands to yourself. I understand. Yes! So what punishment, before you go Ocho,

38:05Shannon Sharpe:can I ask the NFL what punishment are y 'all gonna levy against Armand Ross St. Brown?

38:12Joe Johnson:I don't know. I don't know. But listen, you know the rules. You know the rules. And they talk about it in meetings before season starts about getting angry. They always see the second person that throws a punch. They always see the second person that shoves every time. So I'm going to rock around. He's playing a game within the game, understanding, well, hold on. I'm going to chicken wean him, you know, and see if I can get him in trouble real quick. And it worked. It worked, and he lost his tempo. That's the game within the game. How can I get under somebody's skin to give my team an advantage?

38:50Joe Johnson:Now, it was wrong. Yes, it was wrong. It was wrong. I'd be the first to say it. But it's tricks of the trade. Now, you say you should have knocked him out. Now, I don't think that would have happened because they would have had to jump the wrong. Now, we don't want that to happen now.

39:05Shannon Sharpe:They ain't want to jump. You say nobody grabbed him when he slapped five from him. Oh, yeah, the official standing right there because Ocho here's the thing. You're absolutely right the maybe Let's just say for the sake of argument Joe and Ocho the fish didn't see it But just like they replayed it and saw what the ramp the Ron Payne did I guarantee you they replayed it and saw what I'm in Ross St. Brown did yeah, hey, so did they did they find us to spend the run? They suspended for one game without pay Uh-huh. So they so now that they go back and look at the tape. What's gonna happen? I'm on St.

39:38Shannon Sharpe:Brown I don't know, but something a fine should be levied. Keep your hands and your feet to yourself. If you blocking me, I get that. You pancake me and step in my chest. I get that. But keep your hands to yourself. Yeah, especially on that football field, because I can do anything I want to. And it's not a crime. They might suspend me. They might throw a penalty, but it's not a crime. Keep your hands to yourself. I don't know what possessed him to do what he did. That's a grown man. I don't know if Deron Payne has a wife. I don't know if he has kids or anything. But keep your, my grandma used to always say, boy, keep your hands and your feet to yourself.

40:19Shannon Sharpe:She said, boy, if somebody put their hands or their feet on him, you do everything you can to try to break them.

40:24Joe Johnson:See, hey, you heard what you just said, right? Huh? Hey, Joe, I told you that story. I told you that story where Ray knocked my helmet off and he ended up like that, huh? Hey, hey, why you laughing, Joe? Joe, I was in the locker room looking for Ray White and we we weren't even playing at home. We were playing at M-M-M-M. That was two weeks later.

40:44Shannon Sharpe:You was unconscious. You don't even remember when y 'all were actually playing. We was looking for Ray two weeks later. No, no, no. Y 'all was playing the Bills. Ray played for the Ravens. You talking about where Ray at? Where Sugar?

40:54Joe Johnson:Hey, hey, hey, I was looking for Sugar after that game. I'm telling you, like, hold on, Joe. I was upset, right? And I'm thinking to myself, hold on now, me and Ray, we prayed before the game. We go over a script before every game whether we play each other not, you know, right? We like this so your man honey green Yeah, we don't say it a prayer before the game We get in we get in the game and now you act like you don't know me But we pray don't even try to knock my helmet on hold on my helmet when flying by 30 yards Joe

41:27Shannon Sharpe:Hey look, oh, you know in between them lines, man. No friend. Yeah He probably praying he don't really knock you out out. But you got to realize those guys, defensive players, go to a different place, man.

41:40Joe Johnson:Yeah, yeah. Hey, I was in a different place after the game because I was in your locker room. Security had to come get me. You wanted about that. I was long ago. I didn't retire when that happened. Joe, they had to come get me out the locker room. Joe, while I'm finna whoop on him, you hear me? Why you don't do nothing like that? You don't do nothing like that? But if we do, Joe, you can't sit there and say a prayer with me. We can't read the scripture and he go out there and try to kill me on the field. We can't do that.

42:07Shannon Sharpe:He was saying, Lord, forgive me what I'm about to do to Ocho. Lord, I know I've come a long way and I'm trying to do better in my life. But any sins that I commit on this field today, please forgive them. Amen.

42:20Joe Johnson:Hey, Joe, and the funny thing about a joke is when people ask me who was your favorite team to go against, it was always the Ravens and the Steelers. Joe, because one thing about it, I call it a two-chin-strap game, Joe. You had to bring two-chin-strap to that goddamn game, Joe.

42:39Shannon Sharpe:Hey, you had to get some sleep tonight before that game, then you were too.

42:42Joe Johnson:Hey, Joe, it was hell. It was hell. And I enjoyed it because you had no choice but to raise your level of play. You had no choice but to raise your level of play. And then you got my crazy ass who talk shit during the week and give everybody bulletin board material on purpose you know so I mean that was some of the some of the some of the joyous times for me during them days on man I loved it man I loved that I love Ray Ray I mean still to this day man just being able to being able to see and and stay in contact that's why I like social media so much most of the time like you know back in your days you kind of lose touch with everybody unless you go to a certain event you know they make it so much easy Joe man it just I don't know you can tell I don't

43:25Shannon Sharpe:know if Deron Payne, Deron, I don't know if you're watching this, but I hope you get this. I hope you hear it for yourself, but if you don't hear it for yourself, hopefully someone close to you, a family friend or loved one, gets you this and let them tell you Shannon Sharp did indeed apologize because you were not wrong. You were wrong for getting caught. You weren't wrong for what you did because everybody keep their hand. You regrown out here. To my knowledge, Amin Ross St. Brown ain't got no kids. And he damn sure ain't got no kids 30, 31 years of age. Keep your hands to yourself. Treat it like the zoo.

44:05Shannon Sharpe:What they tell you, Ocho, when you go to the zoo? Keep your hands. Hold on. And the museum. Don't touch nothing. I tell my kids. As a matter of fact, unless you catch the pass or block it, keep your damn hands in your pocket. Get one of them little fanny, what them look, them muffs. And put your hand warmers and keep your hands in your pocket. You walk by. Because I'm telling you, he did right, Ocho. But see, the problem that I have is that he lied. And he had everybody believing that he did absolutely nothing until he got caught. And then, I think it was today, he's like, yeah, I kind of nugged him.

44:39Shannon Sharpe:It don't matter. You don't get, hold on. You step on my foot. I say, Al, I ain't even really step on your foot that hard. You don't get to tell me how hard you stepped on my foot. That's my foot. These feet made for me to walk on, not you to walk on him. Yeah. Yeah. Deron Payne, I'm sorry. Javon Kenlaw, I'm sorry because you also came out and said that he did hit him first. I said, man, that man ain't hit that man first. Oh, too. Yes. Oh, too. What likelihood of a wide receiver going around slugging? And he did it. It don't matter how hard it was. It was the mere fact that you did something that you didn't have no business doing.

45:14Shannon Sharpe:And then he knocked fire from you. And you talking about, oh, I, you know, No, no, Deron, I'm sorry. And they should give you your money back. Yeah. But I guarantee you, I bet he won't hit another D lineman in the face. What you want to bet, Ocho?

45:30Joe Johnson:I don't know. I don't know. Okay. Okay. One thing about us receivers, we're the most dominant position on the field. You know, whether we got the ball in our hands or not.

45:40Shannon Sharpe:Here you go.

45:41Joe Johnson:I don't know if anybody -

45:43Shannon Sharpe:There's a saying that says, Ocho, a lesson without a consequence action without consequences there is no lesson learned wait a minute whoa whoa whoa whoa you know what I'm saying Joe an action without consequences there is no lesson learned yeah now they hey hey knock fire from it yeah the NFL gonna come down with something on St. Brown nah no they not no they not man no they not hey listen the NFL the

46:11Joe Johnson:The NFL has already handicapped the game a lot. They've already taken some of the, what's the word, some of the character, some of the character away from the game and what made it fun, what made it exciting. Now, before I keep going, I need you to give me that line one more time.

46:29Shannon Sharpe:Actions without consequences, there is no lesson learned. Hmm.

46:38Shannon Sharpe:Hey, Joe, that's a good one, Joe. I'm gonna use that one in my neck. Boy, Deron Payne, you did right. You should have hit him so hard on the top of his head. He peeped out his ribs and thought he was in jail. Hey. You did right. You ain't. No, no, no. I ain't give you no more. I'm done for the night. Wait a minute. Hey, hey. Bring that back one more time, huh? Like a DJ. I said, Deron Payne should have hit him so hard on the top of his head. He peeped out his ribs and think he in jail. But you got it though. Yeah. Yeah. I might not stop that act, but I bet I'll break you the habit.

47:11Joe Johnson:OK. Ooh, that was a good one. Hey, you done dropped two gems early, boy. The show just started. Hey, hold on.

47:20Shannon Sharpe:OK, Ocho, he got up under that helmet, too. Did you see how far he swung back? Yes, sir. He swung back from Prince George. Yeah, he got up under there.

47:34Shannon Sharpe:That's what, oh, Joe, that's what, hey, Joe, that was one of them old cartoon slaps. Remember when you watch a Saturday cartoon? Yeah, hey, hey. Man, he was pissed off. He couldn't help it. Absolutely. Absolutely. So I don't have any problems after seeing the video, after having him explain what happened, and he said, OG, I ain't just swing on no boy. He did what he did. Send me the video. I tapped on it, look at it. They little hand fighting, and then he tried to get a quick one in. Wah wah. Hey, little chicken wing, I know what you talking about. I used to do it too.

48:46Shannon Sharpe:And as at a press conference from Michael Penix Jr., it's gone viral, Ocho. Let's take a listen to what he had to say. Uh-oh. Mentally, my fiance, she's always there for me. So I know whenever I get home, it doesn't matter how I play she's always going to be there for me she's going to have a smile on her face and give me a hug and make me feel feel good no matter what um but as far as you know as far as like physically the on the field stuff um it's not nobody that I'll talk to like as far as another quarterback or anything like that you know I do have people reach out to me I do have quarterback coaches go back at home um that reach out to me as well you know tell me hey, like you need to clean this up, clean that up, you know, and everything will be good.

49:30So those guys helped me as far as that too. So I can shout out them.

49:36Joe Johnson:You know what? I would love to hear the question that was asked. I would love to hear the question that was asked for better context because I'm sure he has quarterback coaches on the sideline. He has – Yes. He has quarterback coaches on the sideline, and I'm sure they're talking about the totality of after a game on what it looked like. I think that has to be the concept of the question because bringing up your fiance and no matter how I play when I come home, you know, she's there for me. No. Am I wrong?

50:09Joe Johnson:Am I wrong? If I'm wrong, let me know. What do you say? What do you say about his fiance? Oh, how she said no matter how I played that she's always there for me when I come when I come home. Always smiling. But if anything, what's the first thing your fiance is supposed to say? Oh, no. Oh, no, honey. You ain't finna embarrass me like that. It's supposed to be tough. No, y 'all keep laughing. It's supposed to be tough love. If you play bad, she's supposed to be the first one. Baby, come on. Come on. Come on, MP. Come on. Don't do that. Now you know you can play better than that. You know, you have...

50:45Joe Johnson:Hey, your aunt, no. Don't have one of them wise that know how to break down that understand the game. It can break it down for you. oh my goodness that now you come home to something like that not that old oh baby you play bad it's okay no honey it's not okay you can't embarrass the family like that you can't do that you can't embarrass the pennix last name like that now i'm just i'm just throwing out hypotheticals you know not you coming home and the wife no matter how you play oh it's okay no it's you know tough love is okay sometimes exactly and the best person to hear tough love from is the one closest to you

51:19Shannon Sharpe:Yes. I'm so... So they ask him what coaches does he rely on? Lean on. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah, like, okay, Ocho, you're going through a tough time. Is there somebody that you lean on? Okay, boom.

51:37Joe Johnson:I like that. I like that question because the first thing, the coaches I would lean on, most of the time, it wouldn't be my coaches in Cincinnati. If things aren't going right and there's someone I need to lean on, now in game, Ingame, Hugh Jackson. Ingame, you know, Alex Wood. You know, some of those coaches that day. But if something is going right and I need to go back to the foundation on how it was built, Charles Collins. 1997, when it all started at Santa Monica College. Running the sand dunes, the Manhattan sand dunes back in the day. Like, that's what I'm leaning on, huh? That's who I'm going to.

52:10Joe Johnson:That's why when Michael Pennick said, he mentioned coaches that, okay, with that question, that's who I'm leaning on. I'm going back where it all started. Hey, Coach C, man, what you see? I don't know what's going on. You know, I'm doing it. Am I rushing? I'm just whatever it may be. Because he can see it from a different point of view than I can. He can see it from a different point of view than my coaches do. Because my coaches, they see X's and O's. Coach C can see something they don't see, even though they're my receiver coaches.

52:37Shannon Sharpe:And guess what? Coach C, looking out for you. That receiver coach, you got five other guys, six other guys that he got to coach.

52:45Joe Johnson:Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and the conversation would be different. They're viewing me in a different lens than what he's seeing. That is correct.

52:54Shannon Sharpe:So I think people are like, no, that's not what NFL coaches are there. You're not going to be able to rely on your coaches. So I know y 'all was surprised that he said that. Well, he can't go. Nope. Nope. Raheem got 50 guys, 60 guys he got to worry about. That quarterback coach got every. Ain't nobody holding your hand in the NFL. They're not. So I'm sorry. I don't want to come off as callous. I don't want to come off as not being empathetic. But I'm just telling you the sports business, this is a grown man's business. You get paid a king's ransom to play a kid's game. They're not holding your hand.

53:33Shannon Sharpe:So I understand what he's saying to that. Somebody to lean on. I'm calling my former coach. I'm going to call my brother.

53:43Shannon Sharpe:what do you see yeah am i am i am i missing something i feel i'm leaving leaving plays out there but i don't know what i'm doing

53:55Shannon Sharpe:hey send me a copy let me let me let me let me look at your practice let me see what you let me see what you look like in the game send me send me the game cut up Send me practice. Let me see. Okay.

54:11Shannon Sharpe:So this is the cold, harsh world. This has always been like this. And I think the thing is that this new generation, they think, like, it's high school and, like, come on, son, and the coach take you out to eat and put his arm around you.

54:24Joe Johnson:Oh, no, ain't none of that. Ain't none of that. Because, listen, that right there, you'd lose your job. You'll lose your job. Players get coaches fired. So if you're not playing up the par, depending on who you are, depending on what round you went in, you know, depending on how much you're making, there ain't no coddling, huh? Ain't no coddling in the NFL. And I got it, Ocho. Boy, this is business. These are X's and O's. We going over X's and O's Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Sunday. We expect you to execute those X's and O's.

54:59Shannon Sharpe:somebody said somebody say uh he was your first round pick you don't want him to succeed how many first round picks you think atlanta got on their roster so i guess they're supposed to take them all out for brunch and breakfast huh it don't work like that way uh you know this is a different generation ocho because yeah this house always been because the hair is the thing this is why in the military there's supposed to be no fraternizer or higher up in subordinates because there are going to be certain times that you're going to have to be like what David did, and he put Bathsheba Hugglin in the front.

55:32Shannon Sharpe:But that was for a whole different reason, because it clouds your judgment. So you've got to be careful when you coddle a certain player because it's going to make it much more difficult to get off said player if and when you need to. That's why Coach Belichick has been posed everybody. It was nothing for him to get off a player. You know, coaches tell you that a lot of the time, oh, the most difficult thing it is to do is cut a player. No, it ain't. You built up so much callous. you're numb to it you're a coach for 15 years and you got to cut 20 players a year for 15 years

56:06Joe Johnson:they're numb to it now they pretend they pretend about it the conversations they have for you when they ask you when they get that knock on your door bring your playbook coach want to see you man they got everything in prep they probably say the same thing to everybody else the only thing they do different is they change the first name when they greet you and let you know Yes, this is a tough decision. You did everything you got to do.

56:28Shannon Sharpe:This is the worst part of my job. You were really easy. But you know what I'm saying? I'm just being real. You know, this is the tough part of my job that nobody likes to do. They sit in their chair like this. Hey, come on in. How you doing, son? Yeah.

56:43Joe Johnson:Yeah. Yeah.

56:43Shannon Sharpe:You know, you just got caught up in the numbers game. It's just one of those things. The numbers game. There's a possibility that we might now with the situation. bring you back we might bring you back for the practice squad but we're gonna give you an opportunity to go out there and see what side there and uh you know yeah i'm just telling you how it is hey i'm just i'm just being all the way honest with you yeah and and and because a lot of times you know everybody has those aspirations you don't go to the nfl and say well if i get cut it's okay no it hurts because for a lot of these guys this the end of something that they've been doing since they were 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 years old.

57:26Oh, yeah.

57:27Shannon Sharpe:So the end is never easy. Oh, you're a good movie. You don't want a good movie to go out and be like, damn, that's it?

57:36Joe Johnson:Yeah. Mm-hmm.

57:42Damn.

57:43Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

57:46Shannon Sharpe:It's tough. And having gone through that, that's something that you didn't have to worry about being a second round pick that i had to worry about being a seventh round pick and i remember i remember like yesterday because we were standing at the clarion hotel uh out by centennial airport that's where all the private planes come in at centennial and we're standing at clarion and i'll never ever forget the phone rang so you know oh cho we got two rooms one one phone me i ain't answer like they don't know like they can't come over there knock on the door and say, hey, Coach Reed want to see you.

58:24Shannon Sharpe:Right. And I remember the phone rang. The phone rang about three or four times. I'm like, they know we in here. Where we going? You ain't picking up? No. You got to come back and pick up the phone. You give me bad news face to face. My roommate picked it up. After a while I see my door open. They got your boy, man. I say, damn. Man, I'm sorry to hear that, bro. Yeah. Like, man, hey. But you keep going. I say, man, you know, hey. As a matter of fact, I hadn't talked to him. I mean, I talked to him from time to time. Right. He came to see me play in Denver. He came back to see me play in Denver.

59:14Shannon Sharpe:He came to see me play in Baltimore. He came to the hall. we were, we were, we still cool. B, B, he'll tell you, he called me, he's still the only one that really called me double S. But it was tough because, you know, I was talking about, man, what I wanted to do and X, Y, and Z. But you know what, Ocho, at that time, I had a Mercedes. My brother said, nah.

59:37Joe Johnson:Yeah.

59:38Shannon Sharpe:Leave the car home. Don't know, but hey, don't tell nobody you got it. Don't tell nobody nothing. You going up there, you trying to make a team. You ain't got no car. Right.

59:51Shannon Sharpe:but it's real ain't no baby man remember I told you I had that thigh bruise I had a hole in my thigh in my quad they don't care nothing about that they're trying to find the best 53 down players they can possibly find to make this team and the more you can do the better your chances are oh you're not a starter you're not the star 11 starting defense Or how many special teams can you play? Put me on punt, punt return, kick, kick return. I can play four to five. All of them. All of them. Well, four to six. I can't play on PAT, and I can't play PAT block, a field goal block. But I can get you four of them.

1:00:28Shannon Sharpe:You ever tackled anybody? Yeah. I play. I haven't tackled anybody since high school. Well, interceptions, but I played defense in high school. Son, you got to be tough to play. You got to be tough. Bruh, I'm trying to make a squad. Tell me what you need me to do. Tell me what my job, tell me what my responsibility is. Once you tell me my responsibility, oh, I'm going to carry that out. I'm good. My brother used to tell me all the time, he'd say, bro, you do everything that you do better than anybody else do what they do, and you'll be fine. So that was my singular focus, Ocho. I'm going to do what I do better than anybody else do what they do.

1:01:11that's all that's all that come that's all that come down to and uh uh but i lost ocho i had lost

1:01:17Shannon Sharpe:contact with him for like man for like eight for like eight years and then all of a sudden uh uh he called the broncos they uh they say some guy named uh brian brian mcfatter he tried to get in touch with i think i'll be back yeah i called him i said man what the hell you being You know, he went back and finished up school. And, you know, we stayed in contact and we lost contact again. He hit me up. I think he called a Ravens. It's like a Brian McFatter. I said, yeah. So I hit him up, brought him out to be more. And, you know, then when I went to the hall, I said, hey, Jim Sacamano who's like anybody that you need me to find so him he found him and found a couple of guys that I was trying to get in touch with for the most part the guys that came out you know I still knew where they were I tried to get in touch with Albert Lewis but I couldn't find him because he was the guy that made me who I am but guys this is different this is the NFL this ain't high school where the coach gonna take your ass in or this is college where they That ain't what they do at this level.

1:02:32Shannon Sharpe:I'm telling you. I ain't telling you what somebody told me. I'm telling you what I know.

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