In short
NFL offseason/news roundup and debate on scouting/combines, plus contract and injury updates. Key segments include Howie Roseman’s regret about not drafting Justin Jefferson, Terry McLaurin’s activation from the Commanders’ PUP list, and preseason/roster storylines (Vikings’ Jefferson hamstring, Dolphins QB Zach Wilson, Raiders/Seahawks notes, division outlooks).
Guest backgrounds
Ocho Cinco (former NFL WR, “Ocho” persona) and Joe (co-host). They reference NFL personnel/scouting perspectives and discuss players/teams as analysts/commentators.
Key claims
Roseman’s “biggest regret” is missing Jefferson; the hosts argue it wasn’t a mistake because the Eagles still built Super Bowl teams via later picks/trades (Devonta Smith, A.J. Brown). They criticize overreliance on combine testing, emphasizing “football speed” and tape. They expect McLaurin’s return to signal contract progress.
Notable examples
Ozzie Newsome’s draft philosophy (Jonathan Ogden, Ray Lewis, Suggs, Lamar, Ed Reed); Tyreek Hill vs Xavier Worthy; Jerry Rice/Emmitt Smith as “slow but effective.” McLaurin practicing after PUP activation; Jefferson returning after 25 days but sitting 7-on-7/11-on-11.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOHowie Roseman's Regret
0:30 to 0:55
Discussion on Howie Roseman's regret about not drafting Justin Jefferson.
“Some people use ChatGPT to answer questions.”
Howie Roseman's Regret
2:30 to 3:40
Discussion on Howie Roseman's regret about not drafting Justin Jefferson.
“Look, the guy that he took, I played with his father, Monte Rager.”
Analyzing Drafting Decisions
3:40 to 6:00
Analyzing the mistakes in drafting decisions and their implications.
“Do you see when Noah Lyle is warming up?”
The Importance of the Eye Test
6:00 to 8:00
Discussion on the importance of the eye test versus combine results in scouting.
“He just wasn't able to put it all together.”
Speed and Performance in Football
8:00 to 10:10
Exploring the relevance of speed in football and its impact on performance.
“It's like having a car, Unc, and you're throwing rims on them.”
Comparing Players and Running Styles
10:10 to 12:30
Comparison of different players' running styles and their effectiveness.
“Like if anybody out there to have an electric car, you know, you step on it, it doesn't require that spark, it's gone.”
Building a Winning Team
12:30 to 14:00
Discussion on how to build a successful NFL team based on recent strategies.
“Now catching the football was a problem.”
The Importance of Skill Beyond Speed
14:00 to 18:00
Learn why football skills and game understanding matter more than pure speed.
“So if I'm in the NFL, and I'm an executive of some sort, hey, we need to piggyback and see what they're doing over here.”
The Importance of Skill Beyond Speed
18:01 to 18:55
Learn why football skills and game understanding matter more than pure speed.
“Chat GPT can do more than answer questions.”
Terry McLaurin's Contract Situation
20:00 to 23:04
Discuss the implications of Terry McLaurin's activation from the pup list.
“Terry McLaurin came off the pup list amid contract tensions with the commanders.”
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Eagles and Chiefs: A Super Bowl History?
23:05 to 24:17
Understand the potential historical matchup between the Eagles and Chiefs in the Super Bowl.
“You been cruising, you been cruising, and then all of a sudden, you step on the gas, step on the gas, out the blue.”
Analyzing AFC East Competition
24:18 to 28:00
Explore the competition within the AFC East and predictions for the upcoming season.
“but you want me to tell you coming out of coming out of the AFC this year?”
Debating AFC East Predictions
28:00 to 30:15
Discussion around predictions for the AFC East division and team strengths.
“You ain't going to put no money that the Dolphins is going to be the AFC East representative, going to win that division.”
Player Performance Review: Aston Gentry
30:15 to 31:39
Analysis of Aston Gentry's preseason performance and his potential as a player.
“cause we gonna have some nice little side bets I'm gonna pay this time just like you did last time I'm going to make him small.”
Quarterback Rankings by Division
31:39 to 33:49
Comparison of quarterback talent across NFL divisions, discussing strengths and weaknesses.
“So, but I thought, you know, look, like Geno, Geno has great command of the offense.”
Comparing AFC and NFC Quarterbacks
33:49 to 36:30
Delving into a discussion on the talent of AFC and NFC quarterbacks and their accolades.
“You take Dak or you take Justin Herbert?”
Celebrating Cam Newton's Legacy
37:38 to 40:08
Discussion about Cam Newton's achievements and recognition by Auburn University.
“Cam swept the major college football awards.”
NFL Nicknames Debate
40:08 to 42:01
Engaging in a playful debate about the best nicknames in NFL history.
“University of Auburn, no one else will be able to wear the number two.”
The Greatest Nicknames in Football
42:01 to 44:25
Explore the significance of nicknames in football and their impact on players' identities.
“Yeah, they had nicknames, but I really embodied what it meant to have a nickname by actually changing my name and reinventing myself in the prime of my career.”
Justin Jefferson's Recovery
44:25 to 46:39
Discuss the recovery process of Justin Jefferson and the implications for the Vikings.
“His first time in 25 days, he continues to recover from a left hamstring strain.”
Concerns for the Vikings' Offense
46:40 to 51:39
Analyze the challenges facing the Vikings' offense with key injuries and roster changes.
“Now they're already going to be the first three games.”
Concerns for the Vikings' Offense
52:06 to 53:02
Analyze the challenges facing the Vikings' offense with key injuries and roster changes.
“a suit someone measured just for you, and now you're taking a guy's trip that actually matters.”
Concerns for the Vikings' Offense
53:37 to 54:03
Analyze the challenges facing the Vikings' offense with key injuries and roster changes.
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Transcript
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2:00Ocho Eagles, Jim, Hyre Roseman speaks on the mistake and the regret of not drafting Justin Jefferson. I think there's one who's pretty obvious. One guy didn't draft that's going to the Hall of Fame. The mistakes kill me. I made, it made me think, why are we picking certain guys? But if we don't make that mistake like that, we probably don't play in two Super Bowls in the last three years. Don't overthink things. When you're staring at a good player, just take them. Not drafting J.J. still haunts him to this day. Yes, because think about who you took. Look, the guy that he took, I played with his father, Monte Rager.
2:40Jalen Rager is his son. Yes, sir. He got in awe of all the jumping high and running fast, and he overlooked the production that J.J. Jetta gave him on the field. I asked Ozzie Newsome, who's one of the best GMs to do it. Drafted Jonathan. His first two players he ever selected was Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis. He selected Suggs. He selected Lamar Jackson. He selected Ed Reed. We know what he's been able to do. And I asked him, I said, Ozzie, Suggs, Ocho, he said, Suggs ran 4.85 with tights and track spikes. I said, well, why the hell you take a man and run 4.85? He said, Shanna, somebody got 23 sacks I saw.
3:27Somebody could bend the edge. I don't need him to run 40 yards. I just need to run 10. And he can get off the ball. So I believe, he said, I'll never forget this. He said, I believe what my eyes tell me. He says, yes, when I'm watching film and a guy looks fast, he looks explosive, he looks strong, hopefully he comes to the combine hopefully he tests well but if he doesn't i base most of what i what i judging on by what i see on tape i'm gonna trust my eyes how we didn't trust his eyes right he got enamored by ocho four three four sub four four four he got and he got enamored by 40 plus inch vertical he got enamored by things that doesn't necessarily equate to be because if that was the case, hell, I'd just go get me a track guy.
4:17Do you see when Noah Lyle is warming up? Did you see how high he jumps up in the damn air? Yeah. His heels are at the height of somebody's head. So that lets you know, first of all, if a guy that fast, you know he's explosive, Ocho. Yeah, absolutely. Look at Tyreek. You say Tyreek did them backflip. You say, you say, you got to see this joke. Yes, you can tell he's explosive. Go ahead. What you want to say? What you think about how he said admitting that he made a mistake not drafting Jenna. Well, you know, that happens. That happens. Obviously, it's the eye test when it comes to scouts, GMs, coaches, and personnel in general.
4:53Based off the eye test and not looking at numbers, you look at Justin Jefferson and you look at Jalen Rager and you'll pick Jalen Rager based on what you see when it comes to the aesthetics of the position in itself. So I can understand where he calls it. He calls it a mistake. Actually, it's not a mistake because let's say you did go get Jenna. you might not have the Super Bowls that you do have. You know, you might not. You know, things would have been different. So everything went exactly how it was supposed to go, actually. But I'm upset. Well, he stumbled into it because guess what? The next year, Devontae Smith came out, and he was able to trade down and get Devontae Smith.
5:29And a couple of years later, you traded, you get A.J. Brown. A.J. Brown. So you got your big two. It did work itself out. I was kind of upset. I really wanted brother Jalen Rager to be great at the position because he had all intangibles to be just that. Yes. One of the things with him is mentally. Mentally, I think he had lost his confidence at some point, and he just wasn't able to regain it back because he has all the potential in the world to be one of the best in the league. He just wasn't able to put it all together. Hey, Ocho, do you think they put too much emphasis on, like, the testing, the combine.
6:11Yeah. When it comes to football, meaning because there are some guys who will not test well when it comes to combine, agility, quickness, vertical. But when you put them in between the lines, the lights come on, they just know how to play, bro. You know what I mean? That's for basketball and football. But I see that in a lot of guys this year, obviously from watching Shadour. You know, I know we talk about them a lot, but he looks like one of those type of guys. You know what I mean? When you get him in between the lines, he just knows how to play, bro. You know what I mean? Yeah, hell no. He probably ain't going to test well in no combine and no 40 or no vertical leap or none of that.
6:49You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Somebody goes to the combine, they might not be. We just had Taron Armstead. He goes to the combine to run 4-6. Now people looking at him. Yeah. You get a guy go there, they might not be hurt or he might be a low. go run four three yeah because i can teach you everything else i can teach you to catch i can teach you the back pedal i can teach you to drop i can't teach you how to run fast either you got that in you or you don't but but but also also it's a gift and a curse being able to run that goddamn fast and then believing you becoming a project coming to the nfl well we can teach you all the intangibles you know to become a great player whatever position you do play sometimes it's hard sometimes it's too late because if you're already in the nfl and you've been able to get by you've been able to get by without the technique all this time.
7:39Yeah. You got the technique at the next level. You don't get exposed anyway, no matter how goddamn fast you are. At that level, everybody run 4-3 at the skill position. Damn. Everybody, even the people that run 4-5 or run 4-6, that play receiver or not, they know how to manipulate all those that are fast to be able to get open and create separation. So speed is just an add. It's like having a car, Unc, and you're throwing rims on them. And once you put it, okay, that's the speed in general. It's great to have, but you don't necessarily need it to be successful at what you do. You got to know when to use it.
8:16Yeah. Have you ever heard anybody say size kill? Have you ever heard somebody say strength kill? What do they say kill, Ocho? Speed. Speed. Yeah. Yeah. Speed. I can't teach you that. They say, well, he taught me. No, no, no, no, no, no. I can teach you technique to make you faster than what you are, but that's in you. Right. If you think somebody like got that, Usain Bolt was always fast. Yes, sir. It was always in him. He just found somebody to get it out of him. Yes, sir. So now, Ocho, we look at guys and they're like, man, what does everybody say? Ain't nobody saying I want to do 24 reps. Ain't nobody saying I want to do 40-inch vertical.
9:02Right. Everybody say I want to run 4-3. I want to run 4-2 because that's what's going to grab the attention. Right. When Chris Johnson ran that 4-2-4. Yeah. Yeah. John Rawls got drafted in the first round because he ran 4-2-2. Yeah. He couldn't stay healthy in college. Yeah. So if you can't stay healthy in college, what makes you think you're going to be able to stay healthy in the NFL? Yeah. Xavier Worthy. Yeah. He goes to run 4-2-1, Ocho. Yeah. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah. Moving. I got a question. Go ahead. Excuse me if I'm wrong, Joe. hey when you watch Xavier Worthy despite his 40 time the doesn't look he doesn't look as explosive it's Tyreek he does not Tyreek look like it's like right now he gone but Xavier Worthy ran a faster combine time but he doesn't look that fast until he gets going it's like yeah he's a build he's a build-up guy right you know some some cars don't tell you just like an electric versus gas Like if anybody out there to have an electric car, you know, you step on it, it doesn't require that spark, it's gone.
10:24You look at Tyreek, Tyreek looks, when you watch Tyreek run, when you watch, the very first time I say, damn, he looked, I say, maybe it's me. I say, but some people just look fast. You know what I'm saying? And it's one thing to see a person up close and personal, but to watch somebody from the television and say, damn, he looked fast. Imagine the person. Tyreek looks explosive. But you can tell the way he built. Look at how compact he is. Look at the musculature. You can tell the way he walked. Oh, yeah. You can look at certain guys. Oh, he can do a back flip. He can do certain things. That's how Tyreek looks like that.
11:10Xavier worried this fast, but you got to realize, Xavier Worth is what, 160? Tyreek like 190. Really? You think so? Tyreek? He lost weight. Remember he said he dropped weight. So he might be 180, 185. Yeah, so he might... Xavier Worthy like 165. You know who Xavier Worthy remind me of? Who that? The same type of runner style. They have the same gait too. And it looked like they're not running until somebody's trying to catch them or the ball is in the air. that goddamn Ted Ginn. Yeah. Yes.
11:50I don't know if you remember him, Ocho, James Jett. Yeah, from the Raiders. James Jett was an alternate on the 4x1 that won the gold medal in 92 at the Olympics. Lord, have mercy. Because, you know, the Raiders always been enamored with speed. They've always had guys that can run fast. They had Willie gone who they had Sam Grady who won the silver medal in the Olympics was on the 4x4 and 80 Dada. They had Swerve and Mervyn Fernandez. They've always had guys that could fly at that position. You remember when they drafted Darius Haywood Bay Ocho because he ran 4-3-2. Now catching the football was a problem.
12:34Running fast was not a problem. Okay look because you can have all that speed but if you don't know how to use it and get open. Hell, it's useless. It is. And I tell people, man, you're not that fast. I say all speed do is get you to the safety faster. To get knocked out. That's a good one. This 4 '5", 4 '6", is pretty fast enough. Yeah, it is. All you do is get to that safety. So, he dropped the ham on you. But look, you're going to make mistakes. But think about what you've done. You drafted Jalen Hurts. You drafted Jalen Carter. You drafted Jordan Davis. You drafted or Cooper DeJone. You drafted Landon Dickerson.
13:13Look at the guy. You found Jordan Milata. Look at the guy. Damn! Howie, what you want to be? Howie, the baseball player, that man that he struck out, he done got three home runs and a double. He struck out a last plate appearance. He like, damn! I messed up. Bro! Howie! Bro, you that? Devontae Smith. Look at the picks that he's got, no, Joe. Since he got that wrong. Listen, he's playing humble. Obviously, I don't think Howie understands. Listen, I'm not a part of NFL offices or management or GMs or people in positions of power, but if anything, what Howie and Jeffrey Lurie have done the past, what, five, six years?
13:57Yeah. They the goddamn blueprint on how to operate and build a winning team. I mean, to me, look at the defense. Hell, look at the offense. So if I'm in the NFL, and I'm an executive of some sort, hey, we need to piggyback and see what they're doing over here. It's a copycat league anyway. Absolutely. People watching film and stealing stuff that works the previous week on the opponent that you're playing, hell, they might as well do the same thing. It's easier to say than done. You don't think, hey, man, I can do that. I might as well cross over the country. But you're not Beyonce. Man, you see what Mike, you're not Michael.
14:35You're not Prince. You're not Usher. So it's easy to say this is what you should do. Right. But you're not one of them to be able to do it. It's easy to say, man, you see what Howie's doing, but you ain't got Howie's eye. You don't know what Howie's looking for when he looks for a particular player. Yeah, it's easy to say, man, look at Ozzie. How many Hall of Famers did he draft? Yeah. Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis on, I think, the 100th anniversary team. And Reed also. So you got three guys that's on the 100th anniversary team. Yeah. Three guys, first ballot Hall of Famer. Suggs is going to be in the Hall of Fame.
15:09Lamar Jackson is going to be in the Hall of Fame. The funny thing when I think about it, Joe, is Joe just said it clear as day earlier. When the lights are on, what do they look like in between those lines on the grass? There's a lot of film on everybody before you're drafting. Yes. Hell, goddamn, it's common sense. I don't care what you ran the 40 in. Let's say you did run a slow time. How am I going to knock you when I know what I'm getting when it's time to play the actual game of football? The game of football isn't ran. It's not played in a straight line anyway. this ain't track, Unk. So having speed is just another great factor to add to what you can do.
15:45But if you don't... Jerry Rice might be the slowest receiver in the hall, Ocho. Huh? Jerry Rice might be the slowest receiver in the hall. Yeah, he ran 4-6. Technical sound. He ran 4-6. He was technically sound, but Unk, he had something we call football speed. That's what you need. Football speed is the difference. And we know Emmitt might be the slowest running back. Yeah. He got the most rushing yards. Yeah. Yeah. So when you look at it, we do, we put a lot of emphasis on speed, Ocho. But at the end of the day, can you play the game of football? That's it. Right. That's it. Listen, this ain't Olympics.
16:22Hey, we got Olympians. We're going to let Noah Lyles. We're going to let Katie Benner. We're going to let Ryde. We're going to let Dolphins have that. Can you play football? Because at the end of the day, we play a game called football. And it's not in a straight line. You're going to have to move. You're going to have to react. and the number one thing, you can't be a friend. Now, look, there's a certain level. It's hard to say a player is soft because it takes a certain type of crazy. It takes a certain type of person to play the game of football. Well, not anymore. Not anymore. Now, doing your error, doing my error, it takes a certain level of crazy.
16:58The way the game is now, where it's favored and it's handicapped in defense, you got players out there catching with one hand, man. That's why you see all of them go across the middle. and taking selfies. You got guys in the top of the light of me. Boy, they the buff.
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20:09Terry McLaurin came off the pup list amid contract tensions with the commanders. Despite the contract standoff hold-ins trade requests, Terry McLaurin will soon be practicing with the commanders. The team announced today that he has been activated from the pup list. Ocho, could Terry removal from the pup list mean contract extension is on the way. Yeah, probably. Probably something is looming. They're almost there. It's probably not where it needs to be, but the fact that they think they're going to practice is a good thing. He'll be able to get two weeks under his belt, if I'm not mistaken. He'll be able to get two weeks under his belt before he's able to play in a live game, which would be September, I'm assuming, what, September 7th, maybe, or 13th?
20:57What at, Ocho? Huh? What at? No, in a live game, a real game. He didn't miss the preseason. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know he definitely not going to play. The last preseason game, no. So I'm hoping, I'm hoping, I pray once he gets paid, no setbacks, no injuries. It's going to be so different. It's going to be so different, the fact that he wasn't able to go through training camp. Oh, you took the word right out of my mouth. I'm saying to myself and I'm thinking to myself and I say I know Ocho thinking this man I could not imagine not playing a meaningful game in eight nine months and my first real game is going to be a real game I couldn't imagine it Ocho I would want that no hell no I would tell honestly I would tell my agent listen if we get this deal done I'm going to go practice if there's a chance that we get this deal done I'm going to go practice because I need people pushing I need people pulling I need to be fighting through contact forget that man I'm telling you the body will tear up trying to go from 0 to 100 without putting it through that rigmarole that's what I'm going to call it you got to condition your body for the stresses that is going to endure during the season.
22:28In order to run fast, you got to practice fast. You hear what she said? Hey, I wanted to be on the ground. It's hard. Would you miss that kind of time? Ocho, you're not going to miss that kind of time and just pick right up. It's just not you, you, you sit and, and, and, and I agree with you. You kind of like, you just, just hold your breath. Like, man, please, no soft tissue injury, no soft tissue injuries, please. No groin, no quads, no hamstring, no calves, no adductors, none of that. Because like you said, Ocho, you going just like that. Yeah. You been cruising, you been cruising, and then all of a sudden, you step on the gas, step on the gas, out the blue.
23:16And what normally happens? Something got to give. Yep. Man. but hopefully they can come to an agreement real soon. The Philadelphia Eagles and the Kansas City Chiefs could make NFL and Super Bowl history this upcoming season. There have only been one instance in which two franchises played each other three times in the Super Bowl, and that's the Dallas Cowboys-Pittsburgh Steelers, 75-79-95. After the Eagles face one another two of the three big games, the Chiefs are currently to have the highest odds to be a matchup for Super Bowl, what is that, 60? 60 in February of 2026. This would make the franchises the second of their kind to play one another on three separate occasions on the biggest stage.
24:02To add, no other quarterbacks in the history, no quarterbacks have ever faced each other three times in the Super Bowl, something Jalen Hurts and Patrick Mahomes have a chance to do.
24:17I mean, it sounds good, but you want me to tell you coming out of coming out of the AFC this year? You got to worry about winning your division. You ain't coming out of nowhere.
24:30Have you noticed the Bengals have been playing in the preseason, right? Yep. Okay. All I know, all I know is when L Jack is on the field, Cincinnati can't win. I just want to, I just want to remember. When L Jack is on the field, Cincinnati can't win. This is the new year, huh? You think about the past. I'm trying to understand why you think about the past. And this is 20. We in 2025. You telling me what the Baltimore Ravens did in the past. I know what's going to happen this year. The Cincinnati Bengals, for the first time in years, have let the starters play in the preseason. that's to let you know that there's going to be a difference come week one when the regular season starts.
25:14So what the Ravens did last year or any years before that don't mean nothing and don't matter when it comes to football season in 2025.
25:27Okay. Yeah. Y 'all defense still suspect. Team record after winning the MVP in 2016. Here we go. Cam won the MVP in 2015. 2016, they were 6-10. Matt Ryan won it in 2016. They were 10-6 in 2017. Tom Brady won it in 2017. They were 11-5. Patrick Mahomes won it in 2018. They were 12-4. Lamar Jackson in 2019. They were 11-5. Rodgers won it back-to-back years. In 2020, they were 13-4. And in 2021, they were 8-9. Mahomes won it again in 2022, 11-6. Lamar Jackson. uh 2023 that was 12 and 5 josh allen 2024 will remain to be seen what their record will be right right zach wilson put together a solid start in dolphin second preseason game he completed 15 of 23 passes 151 yards and a touchdown he missed a couple of would-be touchdowns deep throw pass deep a pass to d eskridge uh that was underthrown rookie quinn ewers improved his improved on his debut uh completing 11 of 16 with a pair of touchdowns to fellow rookie phil wheat's jr hey wait wait who did you say had had a great debut what's the name again the first name you said oh uh zach wilson completed yeah what's that wilson zach wilson that's my that's my dog that's that's my dog okay you do realize if if he plays for the dolphins y 'all probably y 'all and not going to the playoffs, right?
27:06We're going to be straight. We'll be there. We'll be there. But again, Zach Wilson looked good today. He did. Quinn errors. Based on how he looked last week. He looked better this week. Yes, he did. Absolutely. That's what you want to see. You want to see improvement. Exactly. Exactly. So I like it. I think the Dolphins, they're coming out of the AFC East. What do you think about that?
27:35I think you're drinking Hunch Punch. If you think they're beating Buffalo, that's what I think about that. I think you own something. And your face, bro, that was funny. That's what I think. I think you own something. Hold on. So you're not – whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait a minute. I don't like the way you sound, whereas if you're trying to say the Dolphins don't have any chance in the AFC East. Look, you play football. Anything can happen. You ain't going to put no money that the Dolphins is going to be the AFC East representative, going to win that division.
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28:16So you're telling me you've already given Buffalo the division already, and we don't know what's going to happen? Are you just saying that because they have to happen? Take a team with the best quarterback. Okay. All right. I like where you're going. I'm taking a team with the best quarterback. I like where you're going. I'm taking Josh Allen over every other quarterback in that division. Tua, Justin Fields. You're taking Josh Allen over Drake May? Yeah. You sure? Yeah. Okay. I just want to see what you're going to say, okay? Okay. Sure am. Okay. So when Drake May and he got damn Stefan Diggs look like Mark, Dan Marino and Mark Duper and Clayton, then what you going to say?
29:07They still got to do something with Josh Allen. Okay.
29:15All right. Tell somebody. Josh Allen is him. I wish I'd tell you something different. Hold on. Are you trying to say my quarterback is not him? You trying to say two is not him? Can't stay healthy. Can't play in the cold.
29:34I don't like your attitude. I don't like your tone. That got nothing to do with me. I don't. You better tell me to get used to playing in the cold. The funny thing, the fact that you have no confidence in us. I got confidence in y 'all going to play the game, but I wouldn't put no money on y 'all to win the division. I would not. Y 'all probably got great odds, too. you wouldn't put money on the on the Dolphins the Dolphins nope we had we okay we had what okay alright the answer is no listen I can't I can't wait I can't wait till football season me either I can't wait till football season cause we gonna have some nice little side bets I'm gonna pay this time
30:23just like you did last time I'm going to make him small. I'm going to make him small. Aston Gentry had seven carries for 33 yards today, Ocho. His 13-yard run was part of an eight-play 41-yard scoring drive that ended with him piring his way into the end zone for a one-yard touchdown. After the game, Gentry said, I've arrived and it's time to keep going and make plays for this team. I don't know if I've ever heard somebody say I've arrived in the preseason, but I'm going to take his word for it. He ran with authority today. I like the run he had. punish the defender, lower the shoulder. I mean, he runs with power.
30:59I mean, he's not an overly big guy. I mean, what's he, 5 '8", 5 '9"? But he's powerfully built. You look at the way he's built from weights down, you can tell he's a power runner. Listen, hey, I saw one of the clips. Somebody caught him. I saw the one we ran dude over. But on the other side, somebody caught him good. Did they? Oh, yeah. I don't know if that was a safety coming down here. I don't know who it was. Well, you might want to get word to him. You got to pick and choose your battles now. Yeah. You're not finna run through people like you did at Boise State. It's the preseason. He doesn't understand yet.
31:45So you're going to learn real quick. There's some grown men out there, boy. Yeah. Yeah. So, but I thought, you know, look, like Geno, Geno has great command of the offense. Geno is very familiar with Pete Carroll. That's a good thing. He got him. So, it's going to be interesting to see how the Raiders do look. That division is good. Yeah, very good. Got Mahomes in that division. They won the division probably like, what, the last eight years? they probably won the division every year since what 2016 is it 2018 i thought it was yeah you got to realize because they had alex mills they won the division yeah they won the division every year patrick mahomes has been the starting quarterback and he started in 29 2018 he got drafted in 17 so the last time the broncos uh won the division they won they won the uh uh the super bowl that was 2015 okay that was the last so since then And since 2016, the Chiefs have been winning the eighth.
32:51Yeah. But you got Mahomes, you got Herbert, you got Bo Nix, and Geno. Look, that might be the second best division in football as far as quarterbacks. I think the AFC North. Whoa, whoa. Hello, NFC East? What are we talking about? Yeah, let's see. Hello, who's the NFC? Yeah. I think for me it's clear that it's the AFC North. with, you know, you got two of the top four quarterbacks in one division. Right, right. Okay, Rodgers. And then, yeah. Even with Cleveland, we ain't giving Cleveland nothing with those two top four guys and Rodgers. And then, you know, okay, I can see that. I can see that. The NFC East with Russ, Jane Daniels, Jalen Hurts, Dak.
33:44But Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Bo Nix. there ain't no slouch now I like Bo too man I really really like Bo I like Bo if somebody said if someone said I would take the AFC West quarterbacks I wouldn't fight them because you got Mahomes Mahomes has been to five Super Bowls you got Justin Herbert you got a Bo Nix who's up and coming now Hurts is Hurst has won the Super Bowl. He's been to two. Russ has been to two, one-one. But Dak, where we putting Dak? You take Dak or you take Justin Herbert? That's a good one. Yeah. Who y 'all like? You take Dak or you take Justin Herbert?
34:43I mean, half the chat gonna say they're gonna say Justin Hurt because they just don't like the damn cowboys no I think I
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37:43oh joe we got great news Auburn will retire Cam Newton's number two Cam became the first SEC player to record a 2 ,000 yard passing season a 1 ,000 yard rushing season he had 2 ,854 yards 1 ,473 yards rushing he accounted for 51 touchdowns 30 passing, 20 rushing, one receiving, while helping Auburn go 14-0 and winning the national championship against Oregon. Cam swept the major college football awards. 2000, he won the Maxwell, Walter Camp, the Manning, the Davey O 'Brien, AP Player of the Year, as well as the Heisman Trophy. Ocho, I just got a simple question. Talk to me. Why won't Carolina show that man the love that Auburn is showing him?
38:30I'm not sure. I'm not sure. He said, remember we did, I think we did a topic, was it last year, that he took his son and there were no pictures of him on the wall at the facility? Oh, that's right. He did say that. He did say that. I don't know. I don't know. That's something we would have to probably ask him internally. I'm not sure how things... No, we have to, you can't ask Cam because Cam don't know why. We need to ask the organization. Yeah. Yeah. I ain't no telling. I ain't no telling how things ended with Cam. Even though we came back, it's no telling you'll never know especially for a quarterback of that magnitude that did the things that he did for the Carolina Panthers yeah took him to the Super Bowl won an MVP rookie of the year yeah pro bowler all pro but that's amazing congratulations Cam on that play very deserving I can make a case that's the greatest college season for a quarterback I know Joe had I know Joe numbers right but Joe ain't putting up those numbers with the receivers that Cam had.
39:34He ain't doing that. And I don't know. I think he had one. I don't think he had an offensive lineman. I mean, did anybody play more than a year in the NFL? On Cam's team? On the offense. Because I know he had a defensive lineman that went, I think, top 10 to the Lions. But if you look at his offensive weapons and what he was able to do. Yeah. but Cam was the real deal back then Cam was crazy with it I mean off the chain yeah I don't know if we'll never see Lamar had an unbelievable season I mean the year he won the Heisman well actually the year that he finished the next year he was even better than the year that he won the Heisman if you go back and look at it yeah cause he threw for like 3 ,500 yards and have 1 ,500 yards rushing.
40:29That's crazy. But congratulations, Cam. University of Auburn, no one else will be able to wear the number two. Ocho, DraftKings bid the NFL team of the best nicknames of all time. Who should be added? Okay, you got the Honey Badger, Tyron Matthew. You got Ted Hendricks, who was the Mad Stork. Sean Merriman, Lights Out. You got Hacksaw, Jack Reynolds. You got the Tasmanian Devil. You got the assassin, Jack Tatum. You got Prime. You got Ed, Two Tall Jones. You got the fridge, William Perry. You got the kitchen, Nate Newton. You got the minister of defense, Reggie White, rest his soul. Dick Knight, Terrain Lane, rest his soul.
41:22And then you got Andre Bad Moon Rising. You got Big Phil, Highway 63, Gene Upshaw, Bag of Donuts, Pork Chop, The Intellectual Assassin. I don't know nothing about him. Megatron. Megatron got it cool. Legatron. Beast Mode. Broadway Joe. The Face Cleaver. And the Avatar. Who's that? Is that Jimmy Graham? Is that Jimmy Graham's Avatar? Yes. Yes. I mean, listen, all of these NFL nicknames are good. They're all good. but we all know who the best nickname is of all time. They ain't got you up there, Ochoa. Oh, that's defense. I guess we got to ask them. No, they got offensive. They got offensive. Yeah, Andre Rison.
42:04Bad Moon. Yeah, they had nicknames, but I really embodied what it meant to have a nickname by actually changing my name and reinventing myself in the prime of my career. That was from a branding, marketing aspect, so which makes it, obviously, the greatest nickname of all time because I really bought in. to the character in general. And that character in general has carried me years beyond the game of football. Hell, I ain't took a snap in goddamn 37 years. But these are all... I like the intellectual assassin. Who is that that played for the Chargers? Is that Ron Mix? The intellectual assassin.
42:46That's a good one.
42:50And you know, they don't even have... I mean, they don't have Walter Payne. they don't got sweetness on there.
42:59Intellectual. But hey, listen, Ocho Cinco. I mean, it speaks for itself. Greatest nickname of all time because I actually I was 85 and when it changed the name, I saw a vision. Like when I do spoken word, there's a vision. There's a vision long term where if you're not in deep thought with me, you're not going to understand it. Who's the intellectual assassin? I ain't never heard of it I mean Bambi who's Bambi? Lance Alworth the Chargers okay okay okay oh he did he ran like he ran like yeah yeah yeah Jack Canaan was the assassin yeah no the intellectual assassin the Chargers the Chargers John Jack Tate arrested so he's out of Ohio State.
44:03I thought it was Ron Mix.
44:08I think he played I think Ocho I think he played like 12 years and had two holding penalties in 12 years. That's it? Yeah thank you. That's exactly what I said.
44:24Jetta, Justin Jefferson, returns to practice. His first time in 25 days, he continues to recover from a left hamstring strain. He suffered last month. He has a history of hamstring injuries. He missed seven games in 2023 because of a hamstring strain to the other leg, prompted the Vikings to take a slow approach to his recovery. Today, he participated in warm-ups, individual drills, but sat out 7-on-7 and 11-on-11. Jefferson won't play in the Vikings' final preseason game, but do expect to start week one. Yeah. He got some imbalances or something. He needs to get that looked at. Yeah, yeah. What do you think it is, especially when it comes to soft-stitial injuries like that?
45:02Where do you think that comes from? Because I don't think he has an injury history. Yeah, and he don't look like he quad-dominant. Sometimes if a muscle overpowers, it will pull. So if, you know, you quad-dominant sometimes. or something so he might i mean he might need to get his hips he might be out of line or something yeah yeah uh if he fatigued the muscle uh you know weak weak muscles pool right but i i mean you're dealing with elite athletes and so i know they have the best physio and the best everything around he might you know maybe his mechanics are off or something but he might need to take a look at that hey I'm not gonna say nothing I'm not gonna say nothing obviously you know my stance when it comes on to soft tissue injuries we didn't know my stance on when it comes to getting hurt but we know how valuable Justin Jefferson is to that team and I'm glad he took 25 days and they they went slow with him I think he's a player that training camp would be beneficial but the getting back 100 % healthy so yes we won he's not one that needs training camp like that.
46:11But I don't want them having to go from zero to 100, huh? Without having to wear and tear that training camp ring because what's going to happen? You get to getting pulled and pushed. That tug. That's why I hate guys, man. Don't tug me. If I beat you, just let me go. I'm pulling Ocho and you tug me. Yeah. Now I'm going to turn around and swing on you. that's a tough division because we saw the Bears and you and I both think the Bears are going to be better this year than they were last year absolutely you believe you say the Lions I don't see them taking a step back no I don't then the Packers you like the Packers Jordan Love that receiving court Josh Jacobs so that is a very tough division you can ill afford.
47:05Now they're already going to be the first three games. They're going to be without Jordan Addison because of some issues that he had off the field. So they're going to be without him. And the last thing that you need to happen a guy coming back from a soft tissue injury and he retweaks it because now he's probably going to be down double the amount of time that he missed it again with. Exactly. Yeah. I hope he gets healthy. I hope he stays healthy because I want to see him on the field. Bless you. Thank you.
47:36That man done covered his mouth after he done sneeze. Excuse me. Like, damn. It creeped up on me. I know it was coming. I ain't know it was coming. You ain't know it was coming, huh? No. It made a little Purell. What's that? Purell. Why you using that? I'm all the way over here. Why don't you get me sick? I'm going to get you sick. I'm all the way in Miami. Hey, boy, that thing you got right there that day, you might have Ebola.
48:07I don't know I ain't like I don't know what they say They said they died In Liberty City Say a monkey Say a monkey got escaped Yeah Say the monkey had Ebola Say one of them dudes From Liberty City Bit the monkey The monkey bit him He had Ebola Right And the monkey died So if the monkey got Ebola He beat the dude From Liberty City What he got Okay you right You right You right Ain't no telling Ain't no telling. Ain't no telling. I'm just trying to figure out how you sneeze and then cover your mind and say, excuse me. It snuck up on me. I didn't know it was coming. Like, that's what happened. When you're really sick, you know, I feel like I got a fever.
48:45I thought you didn't get sick. How you getting sick and you eat fast food? You ain't supposed to get sick. Remember? I know. I'm probably going to be like this under one day. Matter of fact, you can hear my voice. I sound like Barry White tonight. You hear? Most of the time when I talk, I got a high-pitched squeaky voice. But tonight, I sound like really sexy, like for radio. Nah. I'm just trying to figure out. You told me, chat, y 'all done heard this man say eating a Big Mac, eating all that fast food. He don't get sick. I'm just trying to figure out what's really going on. That's it. Well, technically I'm not sick.
49:20I'm still here. This is a minor setback. Are you sick? Did you not say you was sick? You just told us when you signed on that you was sick. Yeah. I'm good. So are you or are you not sick? Yes or no? Yes, like halfway. Because if I was sick, I wouldn't be on here. So I'm able to do, I'm able to work, so I'm not sick, sick. So there's a difference. Look, if you work from home and sick and you can't work, something really going on. Yeah, yeah, I understand. But some people, when they get sick, sick, even if they are home, they can't do nothing. They can't function. See, I'm fighting through it. I'm fighting through it.
49:58My body, on the inside, you know, my immune system, they in there like this. Right. And they're going to work. So on the outside, I'm cold. But on the inside, I'm cold. But on the outside, I got the AC off and I'm sweating. But on the inside, I got chills. I mean, it's weird. So this doesn't happen to me often at all. So I'm going to be all right. I'm going to be all right, though. Man, and Ocho, you know what? I hate when guys, I'm a firm believer. If you limp in the season, Ocho, you know how you coming out of it. Limping out of it, baby. You're living that? I just hate that for gentlemen. Because, man, you're talking about off to a historic start?
50:38Absolutely. Oh, my gosh. I think it's going to continue, though. I think it's going to be all right. It's going to continue.
50:49I don't – like I said, that's an extremely tough division. You could ill afford to have him and Addison out. Plus, you got J.J. McCartney, who's in his second year, but this really is first year starting. Right. You're asking an awful lot. You're asking an awful lot of a young quarterback to go out there and to do what you need him to do. What I just wanted to say. I just hope Ajeda can stay healthy for the entire season. Yeah. Because they're going to need him. They got no chance. They got no chance. Remember, K.J. Osborne is in Washington. In Washington now, yeah. Addison is going to miss the first three.
51:29and then, you know, he warmed up today, but like you said, he didn't do 7-0-7, he didn't do 11-0-11, and he's not going to play in the final preseason game, which is Friday or Saturday. Right. So, boy, and it's just a turn. Hey, and then in 10 days, just go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm hoping he's going to be all right.
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