Best of NFL News Part 2: Mike Tomlin on HOT SEAT, Sauce Gardner SNAPS

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21:06Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Joe. Sal's Gardner went up on his critics, reacted to yesterday's game in a now deleted post. I'll go ahead and say real since nobody else will because it's me. I only have 32 targets. There are only zero cornerbacks that had only 32 targets through 600 snaps. I only had 22 targets through seven games. I don't get targeted as much as 99.8 % of the other corners in the league. Only like 50 % of those got completed. Two touchdowns allowed. One was on a busted coverage. But at the beginning of the year, only 208 yards allowed all year. Some receivers go for 100 in one game. And I'm missing something?

21:46Shannon Sharpe:Am I missing something? Also, in my opinion, having a cornerback to take away half the field is the equivalent of having a nice QB. Ocho, what's going on? What's Sal's talking about? What's really going on with Sal? When we talk about some of the better corners in the league, I think his name needs to be in the conversation because I think he played in New York. He's seen more and always highlighted more since his rookie season. I can't remember how many receptions he had his rookie season, but they have dipped off, but he's still a very, very, very good man-to-man corner, and he can take away a team's best receiver.

22:24And he does follow the number one receiver side to side wherever he goes. I think still to this day, he needs to be in that top five conversation of one of the better DBs in the league when you look at the numbers. Don't say you don't like him for whatever reason it may be. Sometimes he can be a little handsy. Sometimes he can get a call. But he's still a locked down corner in man-to-man in today's NFL. If you break down the numbers, don't just say you don't like him and just say, oh, he gets toasted or he gets beaten. No, let's break down the numbers and compare it to the other good DBs in the NFL, and then you will see he is a top corner still.

23:03And he doesn't get targets, so he's not going to have the interceptions that some other players have.

23:08Shannon Sharpe:No, he don't have hands. That's why he don't have interceptions. He can't catch.

23:18Shannon Sharpe:no but I think me I just don't when I look at him I look at him his first year and his second year and I don't see that same effectiveness now that's not to say that he's not and maybe that's as high as good as it gets because Revis was good but that 2009 season was out of this world. So if you compare him against his best, then what are we doing? And so maybe maybe Saul set the bar so high and so unrealistic that that was something that he was never going to be able to maintain for 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 years. Also for DBs, based on the way the public, those who enjoy watching the game, fans that love watching the game, they just look at numbers interception but yes if you're not getting the opportunities to make the plays there's really nothing he as a db can do and i think you have a db like sauce which is why they gave two for two first round first rounders form because i understand not only are we all in we believe he can take one side of the field away from us and we can do that much more exotically, defensively with everybody else.

24:37Yeah.

24:40Shannon Sharpe:But that's the thing, that's the expectation that he came in and was so good his rookie season. And they tried him his rookie season too. They kept throwing at him. Yeah. He kept picking them things off like a booker. And he, new coordinators, I mean, you know, Are they still playing him the same style? The thing is that Rivas was in that Rex Ryan defense. Very aggressive. A lot of man-to-man coverage. Even Coach Belichick, when he got him, put him in man coverage. Because he's not his own corner. He likes to be handsy. You look at him when he was at Tampa. Didn't he tear his knee at Tampa? I think that's where he got hurt.

25:28I didn't know he got hurt. He tore his ACL? Yeah, you know he was at Tampa. Yeah, I know he's at Tampa. I ain't know he tore his ACL. I ain't know he messed up with him. Isn't that where he tore his ACL?

25:42Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I ain't know that. Man, look, when people talk about the top corners, they talk about PS2. They talk about Stingley. They talk about Gonzalez. They talk about P2, Junior, Gonzalez. Jalen Johnson. Jalen Johnson. He was hurt. Yeah, but hey, he is that boy.

26:14I'm trying to think. Who are the NFC corners? J.C. Hornblatt belongs in the conversations as well.

26:30Keon Mitchell belongs in that conversation as well Sauce belongs in that conversation as well when we talk about the better coins oh yeah Mitchell Mitchell

26:38Shannon Sharpe:Cooper DeJuan and who's the other

26:45Shannon Sharpe:is AJ Terrell did AJ Terrell make it we know Mitchell and and Dijon are two. I don't know who the other is. Is it J.C. Horn?

27:04Shannon Sharpe:But, hey, bro, that thing is ever evolving. It's hard to stay at the top for a period of time, man, because them jokers coming. Absolutely. It's hard. Absolutely.

27:21Shannon Sharpe:okay oh yeah uh uh spoon spoon from uh yeah the nipple where 21 yeah spoon and uh jc horn that's good we might with old tariq tariq tariq willing there too Denzel Ward we got about him so the names you go Denzel Ward you go Pastor Tan you go Stingley you go Gonzalez JC Horn as well Horn you go Mitchell you go DeJuan you go AJ Terrell bro when you get injured

28:13Shannon Sharpe:starters right

28:19Shannon Sharpe:Jadavion Clowney's had a solid first season in Dallas and now the Cowboys are hoping to bring the veteran defensive end back in free agency Steven Jones said team absolutely wants to resign Jadavion in free agency he's played at a very high level we'll be talking to his guy right away hopefully willingness willingness to want to be here and wanting him to be here. Hopefully we can figure something out. Cliny signed a one-year deal for$3.5 million with the Cowboys in September after going unsigned this offseason, playing the first four games of the team in his first game in week four. In 12 games, the former number one overall pick has logged 35 tackles, five and a half sacks, and three passes defended.

29:04Yeah.

29:05Shannon Sharpe:He's going to come back and say, hey, give me a, you know, hey, look, I led the team in sacks, you know, put some incentives in there. Give me four, give me five million. Let me, if I lead the team in sacks, if I lead, if I get 10 sacks, let me get a million. You know, something like that, don't joke. Because if you're in Dallas, there ain't no state taxes. So you're keeping a large chunk of your money. Yeah, give me. You're keeping about$630 ,000 off every million. I don't mean to count the man's pockets, but I'm just saying. Let me get an opportunity to get about$67 million in the center. Yeah, give me that.

29:39I can work with it.

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33:48Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Joe. Joe Burrow discussed the mindset when facing Miles Garrett and Weed 18 as Garrett closed in on the NFL sack record. Burrow said, I'm certainly not going to overcompensate either way. I'm not going to go out of my way to not let him get the record, and I'm not going to go out of my way to let him get the record. Either way, I'm going to play football. There's going to be a situation best of the bad outcome of that play, and maybe I take one. There's going to be other situations that I'm about to get sacked and I need to throw it away in that situation. I love his mindset. I like it too, huh?

34:22I like it too. But obviously the person that they need to be asking that question to is the offensive line. That's who they should have been asked to. Obviously reporters don't want to go there. They probably don't want to ask that to them. But listen, I was very hesitant in saying I don't want Miles Garrett to get the sack record, you know, against the Bengals. But the fact that I'm going to be at the game and I ask him for the jersey that he gets a sack record with, I'm going to allow him to get one sack. I'm going to allow him to get one sack, but now I'll be in the building, Joe, to be able to collect that jersey I asked for.

35:02So, you know what? Congratulations.

35:04Shannon Sharpe:You do realize Hall of Fame is going to be on the hand too often, right? I can tell you what. I can tell you what. There's one thing. Listen, Miles Garrett can do two things. He can get the sack record on Sunday And he can give that jersey To the Hall of Fame after he already promised me Or he can get that sack record And hand the jersey over to me Like I asked like he promised me first So two things can happen You can hand it to me And go ahead and live your life After making history Or you can get your ass off I think he gonna take the second one I think he gonna

35:40Shannon Sharpe:I would hate Hey Joe Hey, Joe, I would hate to have to beat the fuck up out of Miles Garrett for choosing to get that damn jersey. After I already asked for it, I would hate to have to do that. That's my point. Ocho, that's going down in history, man. That man get that sack record. You think you're going to get that jersey? Yeah, Joe, I asked for it, Joe. Man, shh. I asked for it. I'm telling you, Joe, he got that. I think he get two sacks on Sunday. I said one. We'll give him one. We'll give him one. We ain't going to give him two. Hold on, one. I think he gives two. One breaks the record or two breaks it?

36:18Yeah. Oh, two breaks it? OK, OK, OK, OK. One breaks it.

36:22Shannon Sharpe:He has 22. Want to give him 23? The record is 22 and a half. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Joe, hey, he can give him another jersey. Let him put that in there. But give me the original one. I want to frame it. I want to put it up in my game room. No, they're going to take that one, because that's the jersey that's going to have the dirt on it. That's the jersey that's going to have the stains on it. Don't worry about it. They can put some stains on the other one. There ain't nothing to go outside and rub that goddamn mug. Well, that got to be trouble. They got some people got some time. Hold on, hold on.

36:54Shannon Sharpe:So he can't keep his jersey for himself? He can if he want to, but the Hall of Fame is going to request it. And it's an honor to have that jersey in the Hall of Fame. That's why a lot of the Tom stuff is in the Hall. And it's an honor for Ocho to have the jersey too. Nah, because it's gonna probably end up in somebody auction house with Ocho getting. Nah, that ain't gonna happen because there's gonna be no reason for me to have to. Ocho ain't gonna be here forever. Okay. Once Ocho like my kids, what they do, what I do with it, how I cherish it, that don't mean they gonna cherish it the same way.

37:34Shannon Sharpe:Man. God. Hey, I know, listen, I love Miles Garrett, man. Miles, you promised me. And one thing about a man, all we have is our word. If you promise me that jersey and you choose not to give it to me, two things going to happen. Karma and I'm going to beat your ass. Well, I'm sure he's like, if I get that sack record, whatever karma comes with that, I mean, because he's so young and he's so far ahead of the pace, there's a chance he can get Bruce's record of 200 sacks, 200 and a half sacks or 202, whatever that case may be. There's a chance.

38:22Shannon Sharpe:Miles Garrett, I mean, he got a – how many sacks has Miles got? 120? He's way ahead of the pace. I mean, he's blistering. Yeah. Now, the problem is the sack didn't become official stat until 1982. They were sacking the quarterback in the 30s, 40s, and 50. He got 124.5. He's not even 10 years in the league. What is he, his eighth year? He's nine years in the league. So he's averaging 12.5, 13 sacks a season. Damn, that's crazy. I think Brucey played 20, 19. Brucey came in at 85. Brucey came in in 85 and he left in I think he left in 03 so Bruce played 19 man get Miles Garrett up out of that man Reggie played I think Reggie played like 16 or 17 and got 198 and a half Joe where you wanting to go Joe?

39:19Shannon Sharpe:man come on and don't say Dallas why not

39:26Shannon Sharpe:can he get after the quarterback? yeah he can Hell yeah. He's one of the best to do it. One of the best to ever do it. You need to get him out of there, man. Let him go play some meaningful football now. I like the way it sounds. I think he might be two or three years away from that. You think so? I don't think Cleveland's just ready. I don't think Cleveland's ready to give him up just yet. How many years he in on that deal? I know he got a big deal. How many years he signed a four year deal, but he had two years left. So he got another five years on it. Yeah. I know one thing, Joe. He might not see them years.

40:02He don't give me that goddamn jersey. I tell you that.

40:06Shannon Sharpe:Ochoa, you can cancel that, brother. Hey, hey, there's going to be some things canceled. It ain't going to be me. But the problem is, Ochoa, I mean, Joe, is that they got a lot of, you know, there's going to be a lot of suitors. Now, the Cowboys do have the capital because they got two first rounders next year. And they got another two first rounders the year after. Yeah. So they got the arsenal to go get him. Yeah. If Cleveland's willing to let him go. And this would be the good time to let him go, Unc, if the Cleveland Browns are serious about building something because they can get the most value for him right now.

40:49Not later. You can get the most value, the most pieces for him if you're serious about building and changing the culture over there in Cleveland.

40:58Shannon Sharpe:Why? Because you didn't win with him. You didn't win with him. So you know what you need. You know what you need. He can really help him, team. Yeah, big time. Man, look at this. Michael Irving took his belt off.

41:17Man, that's crazy. He was whooping the trash can. Yeah, man, that dude. Hey, Ocho, why you ain't go to UM?

41:23Shannon Sharpe:Why didn't he go to the University of Miami? What, Joe? With that Joe for grades, Joe? He couldn't get in prison with them grades. Joe ain't had no grades to go there, Joe. Joe, I couldn't even get in the goddamn Fairview, Joe. Joe, he couldn't get in prison with them grades. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, when high school, I was a knucklehead, Joe. And I'm not talking about a knucklehead like, you know, in the street or just, Joe, I wasn't going to class, Joe. Come to school when you want to, leave when you want to. I already know. Hey, Joe, I went to school on Miami Beach, Joe. Miami Beach Senior High.

41:57I was on South Beach for high school. That's why my grandma ain't want me in the inner city where I grew up, going to school with them boys. It would've been even worse. So if I ain't do right over there with them folk, imagine me in the city with all my homeboys.

42:16Shannon Sharpe:Joe, I was bad, Joe. Chad, if you get an opportunity to party with one guy in your lifetime, let it be Mike. If you get an opportunity to party with any athlete, any superstar, any podcaster, any person, let it be Mike. Let it be Mike. Let it be Mike. Mike is the greatest. Mike is the greatest. One day I'm going to tell y 'all the story how Mike and I stole Gary Sheffield with a bagel.

42:53Shannon Sharpe:I started to bring that up during the interview, Ocho. Right. But Mike and I stole Gary Sheffield Winnebago at the Super Bowl in Atlanta back in 99. I'm going to leave it at that.

43:08Shannon Sharpe:Woo! What a time. What a time. What a time.

43:15Shannon Sharpe:I think he breaks the record, though, Ocho. You think he gets the record? You said he does get the record. Joe, you think he gets the record? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know I'm sitting talking, you know, trying to support my team, but Miles Garrett is probably – he wasn't able to get it last week. I'm not sure the Bengals will go away from doing what the Steelers did, where they were so worried about him getting the record, they weren't able to play their game offensively. Exactly. It took away from them offensively. Yeah, you doing – I mean, you running booze and you running rollout. You got the guys chipping and they can't get in routes real quick.

43:47Shannon Sharpe:people like why Gary Sheffield had a Winnebago Super Bowl I was like hey what up Sheffield he was like hey what up Sheffield how you doing I was like Mike yeah what up Sheffield you know how Mike is Mike animated what you doing Sheffield I'm on whatever you want let's just say Sheffield went N.A we took the winter bagel I called a cab to come get me the next morning I couldn't drive the winter bagel I couldn't drive the winter bagel home

44:31Shannon Sharpe:Lord have mercy

44:37Shannon Sharpe:Boy it might go hard to paint boy hey that was a great time great time was had chat great time was had y 'all know that

44:47Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Joe! Michael was active today on Twitter. Oh, excuse me. X. Defending his new teammate, Trayvon Diggs. First, a Cowboy beat writer tweeted, Trayvon Diggs, great, per football focus. I don't even look at pro football focus. 2020, it was 67.2. Then 21, it was 59.6. 2022, it was 66.9. And 23, it was 80.2. Only two games, though. 24, it was 56.6. And 25 was 56.1. Statistically, he's the worst corner in the league right now. And the tape is even worse. Maybe we owe those guys at Pro Football Focus an apology. Ocho? Yes, sir. Then Micah responded, I feel like what the point they're trying to publicly disrespect someone.

45:36Shannon Sharpe:He's not representing the star anymore. Just give the man a farewell. Wish him the best. I don't know why everything has to be negative every time the breakup happens. He's in a better situation right now. Trust me, bro going to be great again. Then he added, y 'all want me to feel bad? Jerry Jones slammed my name to the Cowboys media and national media for months. So do I think I can react to comments if I want to? Respectfully. Ocho? Yeah, man. What you thinking? I mean, listen, I mean, Micah at some point is tired of it. Obviously, when things don't work out, why is it always the media? Why not wish a player's farewell?

46:16Why do you always have to bring up the negative about him on why he's gone and where he's at right now? And I don't understand. It's tasteless to me. It's classless to me. Most times when other players from other teams, they get traded, they send their farewells. They say, thank you. Appreciate your work. I know things didn't work out the way they should. But hey, every divorce, when it comes to the Cowboys and their players, it has to be nasty. It doesn't have to be. You expect it from fans sometimes. Fans, yes. But the media in itself, there's so many other things that's going wrong in that organization.

46:53You don't have to do the players like that. They did Micah like that. They said they were better without him. Then they put up these numbers. They found numbers in a way to justify him not being there, why it was okay, and why they were in a better position. and now with Trayvon Diggs, they did the same thing.

47:10Shannon Sharpe:Well, normally reporters don't do no farewell. They might call you if they have your number. That might be something privately. I appreciate you talking to me. You was always respectful and professional with me when I was here and you were here. So I really, really appreciate that. I got a lot of that when I left Denver the first time. Even when I left Baltimore, I had a lot of guys reach out. And we stayed in contact for years. They would call and ask me things. I could help them on. I would be more than happy to help. but normally publicly reporters can't wish you the best that's that's not what their job that's not what their job is on show right um but i think the thing is is that people like well michael this divorce has happened five months ago yeah i think that's the thing people like bro you you moved on with your life you happy yeah i mean but but he in in in in sense in essence for context you got to understand he was taken up for Trayvon and yes that's all and just reminding them five months ago they did him the exact same way as much as he's done for them obviously not being able to you know what the end goal is the end goal is always to win a championship he wasn't able to bring that but they found ways to justify him leaving and some of the things that Jerry said and obviously you know we talked about it in length when it happened oh he wasn't coming back There's no way an owner talks about a player like that publicly, and he's still on his team, and you think I'm going to represent you in the right way.

48:36Shannon Sharpe:I agree with you. Look, like I said last night, I'm not here to beat up Trayvon. He had his moments, and I just saw things that were kind of like had me trending. You know, I just keep my mouth shut because I hear a lot of people saying, well, we got people. They sent DMing me pictures of him in the club or him being somewhere. That ain't got nothing to do with me. I'm going to talk about his play on the field, and that's where I'm going to leave it at. But I just saw the way it was trending, and I was like, yeah, they're going to have a breakup here before long. And it happened.

49:16Shannon Sharpe:As Brian Schottenheimer shot, he said, yeah, because we told him he couldn't go, and then the reports that he was at a concert. I don't know. I don't know if he was at a concert, but that's inconsequential. Because when you ask them could you stay, they said no. Once they said no, it doesn't matter whether you're at a concert. And I guess, like you said, maybe he just wanted to leave. Maybe he wanted out. I don't know. Right. But in that situation, if your boss said, you ask your boss, can I get off tomorrow? He says, no, we really need you to come in, Ocho. If you take off tomorrow, it don't matter what you took off for.

49:52Shannon Sharpe:Right. They did not give you the day off. so if they move in another direction you can't be mad yeah i don't think he is mad i don't think he is mad either way i think obviously he wanted out he knew it was coming uh there were issues obviously dating back to training camp and him choosing to to do his not training camp but offseason him choosing to do his his um rehabbing elsewhere and not want to be in dallas obviously Jerry Jones and the Cowboys organization taking$500 ,000 from him because of his choice and wanting to rehab away from the facility. Correct. And then obviously him saying he's healthy, him being a healthy scratch, him talking to the media, the media saying he's healthy, but Jerry saying he's not healthy.

50:34I mean, it was so much turmoil going on there. And I think he just wanted to expedite the process of him not being there. So him choosing not to come back on that flight and then stay wherever he was and do what he wanted to do. and he got what he wanted.

50:50Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I think the thing is, Ocho, also, and you heard

50:56Shannon Sharpe:Aberflues, when he was talking, he said some things trans hard. He's like, look, when you have a guy that can get there suddenly and we trade that guy, he's talking like a guy that knows he's not coming back. So I'm going to be truthful. We traded Michael. What the hell do you expect to happen with our secondary? You need a guy that can win right now. He's the one guy that can win right now. Yes. He's the one guy that if you don't double, he will wreck your defense. He'll wreck your offense. They don't have anybody like that. And so with that, with Trayvon not – well, maybe he's healthy now. Maybe he wasn't healthy at the start of the season.

51:34Shannon Sharpe:I don't know. I don't know. But what I do know is that he was a guy that would take some risk. He's a feast of famine guy, Ocho. He's going to get you, but you're going to get him. Yeah. And teams double moved him. That's how you got to get him. You know there are guys on show, we starting off, we double moved you because we got to back you up. Aggressive. Because you're going to jump something. So we want you, we're going to use your aggressiveness against you.

52:07Shannon Sharpe:And Diggs is not in Dallas anymore. And people go like, well, you know, that's what. No. No, that's not the reason why. That's not the reason why. I'm not going to let y 'all put all this on Diggs. Has Diggs played his best football the last couple of years? No. But there have been a lot of guys that hadn't played their best football. Y 'all think Deron Bland played his best football? Y 'all played him? He just got that bag bag. Y 'all think he played his best? There are a lot of guys that hadn't lived up to expectations. That's a part of it.

52:45Shannon Sharpe:the Cowboys got some choices to make y 'all problem is y 'all general manager is terrible and nobody knows that but him everybody knows it except him yeah but keep him in place y 'all give us something to talk about so guess what it's 31 years before y 'all went to the NFC Championship game

53:11Shannon Sharpe:Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase both came out and spoke today about the Bingo's disappointing season and what needs to change to get this team back to the Super Bowl. Burrow said, we don't want to be in the spot where we are right now. So something's got to change. Whether it's players, we're continuing to improve and get better and play championship caliber football or bringing in guys that will or whatever there may be. Obviously something has to change. Chase, I think some of the things are pretty obvious. What we need to change. At the end of the day, I can't really say or put emphasis on what needs to be changed because it's not my role.

53:44Shannon Sharpe:But it's pretty obvious. Defense and what some of the issues need to be changed. I love Chase. Chase said it ain't my role. They need me to catch a pass and score a touchdown. That's what I'm going to do. But y 'all know what it is. Yeah, hey, listen. We know what the elephant in the room is. I mean, Chase and Jamar don't – I mean, Chase and Jamar. Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase don't need to say it. I'm not sure why the media is even asking them questions. They know what the problem is. We know what the problem is. Those that aren't Bengal fans know what the problem is. We know what issues need to be addressed in the offseason, in the draft.

54:19And I'm hoping, I'm hoping that we continue based on some of the things that Joe Burrow has said. He's put everybody on alert. He's put everybody on alert. and we need to do what's necessary to continue to keep our team in an advantageous position to compete for Lombardi every single year. Continue to put pieces, not around me offensively, because you've done everything you can for us offensively. Well, you can prove offensive line. I won't be mad if you improved the offensive line. Okay, you can do that. Maybe add another piece somewhere in the guard area. Maybe I would like a nice centerpiece.

54:58well, at the center position, which is most of the time is the weak link on most teams. But defensively, we know we need to attack. We need to attack in the offseason and in the draft defensively. I personally, Chad, I want us to go get Jeffrey Simmons. I'm going to talk to Jeffrey Simmons at the Pro Bowl.

55:18Shannon Sharpe:I bet you knew you and a lot of other people. Yeah, I want to go get Jeffrey Simmons. Let's solidify somebody up there on that front end. on that front end, you know, and I'm not sure what's going to happen. I'm sure Trey Henderson is gone. Oh, yeah, he gone. Okay, Trey Henderson is gone. I'm not sure if we can get another premier defense in, you know, but I know we're going to get Jeffrey Simmons. I told Jeffrey, we've had multiple conversations, and I don't want it to come to a rift. so I need to make sure that happens I'm doing my due diligence for the organization as well on the outside Ocho, I'm going to give you some key figures from 1933 the average home price cost between$3 ,900 and$5 ,700 the average income was around $1 ,300 to$1 ,700 a new car cost roughly$600 to$800 and gasoline was $0 ,10 to$0.18 a gallon hey what would you do for us to be back in those time for them kind of prices i don't want to be back to my brother that was a great depression people was jumping out of winter killing you hold on no i don't want to be back there i'm doing right here right now okay i'm understanding i'm just saying with with the price point with the price point oh joe blacks weren't making money like that do you understand if the average blacks weren't they didn't include us in the average i understand what you're saying but hey you know everybody complained about the goddamn prices today you hear that?

56:53Shannon Sharpe:You were a share cropper. Do you understand what you was doing? You was making pennies if the average income was$1 ,200 to$1 ,700 there probably wasn't a thousand black people in the country making that kind of money yeah hell no I don't want to go back there you know what I'd have been doing back then? huh? you know what I'd have been doing back then? hustling like a lot of other black people was doing. Yeah, exactly. I would have been the best bootlegger there is. You hear me? Yeah. I would have had the best rum. Like, what's the two brothers from Sinners? Oh, I know you're talking about, yeah.

57:36I forgot the twins' name in Sinners, boy. What?

57:41Shannon Sharpe:I grew up in the late 60s, early 70s, and I know how hard we had it. I know how my grandmother said they doing, you know, five, ten loads of laundry for a quarter a day. Man, please. A quarter? Yes. What do you think black people ate all those scraps? You wasn't getting steak. You wasn't eating hamburgers. You had to eat oxtail. You had to eat neck bone. That's where pig feet, chitlins, pigtails, that's where that came from. I don't know what people thought they were getting ribs. Beef ribs. Nah. Hell nah. Hell to the night. Hell to the night. I'm going to let you have that one. You go back there and let me know what it's like.

58:27Nah, I'm talking about the price. I ain't talking about what you had to deal with. I'm just talking about the numbers. That's it.

58:33Shannon Sharpe:What the hell? How you going to get? So you think you're going to be able to go back there with the money you got now and just going to transport yourself back there? I didn't say I wanted to go back there. I said living today, could you imagine if the prices were as low and affordable as they were back then. That's all. Hell no. That's impossible. Yeah. I know that. I know that. I'm just saying. Everybody complain about everything today. The price of eggs. Milk so goddamn high. See how much eggs are. I mean, yeah. Of course. That's why I'm just saying in general, what if it was a little bit more affordable where people weren't living goddamn paycheck to paycheck?

59:10People been living paycheck to paycheck. What you mean? They ain't just started, Ocho Yeah, I know I'm just saying It'd be a little easier That's why you need the right people in position of power That make the cause

59:25Shannon Sharpe:But every time you say you get the right people They get corrupted too Because how you think they got the power? Hey, I'm glad you know See, that's why I stay out of politics Because you got to be crooked You can't never be straight and be in the politics Like I said Look, I remember when I was a kid, minimum wage was$3.37 an hour. I was a kid 40 years ago, 50 years ago. Goddamn. So now, yeah. But now, Ocho, guess what? It's$7.25. That's it? So you're talking about 50 years ago, it's only gone up you know, it's doubled. What the hell is, what kind of bull job is that? Now, you look at CEOs, COOs and you look at everybody else's income it's going up exponentially so that's why people say they live in paycheck to paycheck because the people that was here money has gone here people that was here money hadn't gone nowhere it's a dirty game you ain't buying no home now for no$5 ,900 I mean pretty soon the average house of a home go down there, it'll cost you a million dollars.

1:00:42Shannon Sharpe:Who the hell is going to be able to afford the American dream? Pretty soon, they're going to tell you to stop dreaming. Don't dream no more, because that issue ain't coming true. You know... Yes. You know what? I'm going to have my sister to send my thing, because I remember when I was working, I got a W-2 form from 1977. Damn, you still got it? Yeah. But you keep every goddamn thing, man. How many nine-year-olds you know got a W-2 form? I was working. I've been working all my life. Well, I got a better one for you. How many two-year-olds you know had cable and a washing machine and dryer in their name?

1:01:29Shannon Sharpe:We didn't even have cable. You couldn't get cable in the country back then. Matter of fact, I had bad credit before I could walk. How about that? Shit. They got you. They got you. The old American dream. Huh? The question is who's dreaming it and which America is it? That's a good one. Come on now. It ain't got to be Sunday for you to preach. Man, please. Man, please. My grandfather left my grandma in debt like$2 ,500.

1:02:09Shannon Sharpe:Well, you know, I remember last time my grandma told my sister, this is the last payment I did, Libby. She's like, yes, ma 'am. Man, it took us like, well, it took my grandma like 10 years, 15 years to pay off$2 ,500. You got to realize my grandma wasn't making about$197 every two weeks. Yeah. How the hell you going to feed me, Spanky, Libby, at the time, Marinel, Gladys lived at the house for probably about a year that she left away to Chicago with my mom, Sharmadina Jane. How the hell you going to feed that?

1:02:48Shannon Sharpe:$5 here,$10 there. That's why we worked in the summer, or we got little side jobs picking up pecans, clipping onions. That's why we chipped in. Because we saw how hard it was for granted to try to, man, run out of gas. We used to have a big propane tank. They don't have them anymore, but we used to have a big 200-gallon propane tank. Yes, sir. You run out of gas, Ocho. Well, Granny ain't got no money. You got no money to pay. Me and my brother have to go down there, chop down a tree, cut it up, pull the heater from the fireplace, put it down, boom. You don't know how many times me and my brother done put sweet potatoes in the hot ashes, let them cook.

1:03:28Shannon Sharpe:because we got no gas still don't work Ocho. Damn. Man, please. People can't tell me nothing about no hard times. I ain't telling what somebody told me when somebody was talking about. I'm talking about the 70s and the 80s. I lived it. Yeah. People talk about oh, I lived it. So when people talk about hard times, man, please.

1:03:56Shannon Sharpe:What do we got here? Ian Rappaport reports that the Giants are expected to look at all options if they get their hands on the top pick in April. Rappaport expects them to evaluate all options, including looking at Fernando Mendoza, before they make the decision on how they're going to proceed if they have this pick. Dart said this week he hadn't heard much from the report, but made it clear he sees he's the future in New York. I'm going to continue to play ball, play my ball. I know I'm going to be here for a very long time. I'm excited to start winning more games and turn this place around, do my job.

1:04:30Shannon Sharpe:We have a bright future, and I'm standing on the sideline watching Abdul Ball, watching DA Ball, Scat was here today. When you think about this rookie class, we have a really bright future, and we're going to do a really big pivot and turn this thing around. Ocho? Yes, sir. For me, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. It wouldn't make any sense. It wouldn't make any sense. Take a quarterback. Go ahead, Ocho. What you thinking? It wouldn't make any sense at all. You got something special in Jackson Dart. Now, we could pull the reins back on him a little bit and get him to be a little bit more cautious in the way he plays the comeback position.

1:05:05You know, he going to be all right. But he brings something that – listen, I like McDoza. I like him, man. But he's not Jackson Dart. He's not going to breathe that kind of excitement and put butts in the seat like Jackson Dart and goddamn Scatterbow can do. Nope. He's not. I agree. He definitely not. Completely different individual. If you listen to his interview zone, he's not ready for that New York media. That ain't for him. That ain't for him. Jackson's daughter is perfect for that situation. He's perfect for that atmosphere, that environment. Being in New York, that is the perfect place for him.

1:05:43He's going to be all right. We just got to tone some things down in the game and he's going to be all right. Other than that, that's all. But all that, they can check all the options in every other area except quarterback.

1:06:02Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, the Buffalo Bills are asking fans to help shovel snow at Highmark Stadium before this weekend's game. Anyone 18 years of older get$20 per hour with food and hot beverage provided. Ocho, I'd have been there. Wait, how much? $20 an hour. Ooh Hey what time the stadium open I'm going to get that Oh And food Listen I don't need no food Give me a hot dog Give me a hot dog and some hot cocoa I got you 20 hours I'll be there all day Oh yo you do realize glizzies are food right My bad that's a snack They probably play They say they play you in glizzies That's fine Oh no I'm going to get my 20 hours hour Don't do that I'm going to get my$20 an hour.

1:06:53And I want to make sure I spend it. I want to spend it. I want to be there all day, too. Oh, you want to go to the game? No. Aung, you want to go out there? Go where? And go shovel.

1:07:05Shannon Sharpe:No. Mm-mm. Okay. That'd have been some great content, man. No, it ain't going to be a great content. You had that shovel in snow? Mm-mm. $20 an hour? Oh, Joe, I done done. See, I don't know if you really done manual labor. Yes. So when you done manual labor for over a decade, you good on it. You cool on it. I did. I did construction work, Unc. I did. In college. I did. Landscaping did all that. Yeah. Poor concrete, laid asphalt. Yep. Did roof. Hey, teach about landscaping, Unc. I was cutting grass at eight years old. That was part of my chores on Saturday. Yes. I had the lawnmower. I had the...

1:07:41Shannon Sharpe:Well, I'm glad they let you get to be eight before you started doing it. Damn. Damn. What are we talking about? My grandma had me out there in her rose bed. I'm the one that had to dig them holes in the garden. Yes. I know about manual labor, man. Out there with the guard gloves on that don't fit. Three sizes too big. Damn, you had gloves and everything. Damn. You a real worker. Yeah. Man. I still got calluses on my hand from laying bricks. What we talking about? Look at this. When you using that hammer or that shovel and you ain't got no gloves that first day, them hands, man, your hands hurt so bad.

1:08:24Shannon Sharpe:Like, Lord, I sure hope I ain't got to go in the morning. All right, I'll see you boys tomorrow. Damn. Yeah. I sure do want to tell Grant I don't want to go back. Hey, son, go on out there. That's a good piece of job. What do you mean it's a good piece of job? Working 12 hours a day for$10,$15? You think that's good? Hey. Where else you gonna make that kind of money?

1:08:53Shannon Sharpe:Boy, my grandma, hey, look here, man. You could have worked$15. Man, can you$5? That's good money. What? I mean, what? I understand, Granny. You worked, and it was a quarter for all that loads of laundry that you and Grandma Lou and Annie Mae had to do. granny that was 50 years 40 years ago that's 50 years ago right $2 ain't a lot of money granny

1:09:25damn you could

1:09:28Shannon Sharpe:my grandma thought any denomination of money was good money yes yes yes but but that's where you know it comes from That's how I'm wired. I'm a provider. There wasn't a whole lot, but, you know, working in the summer. We worked in the summer. We caught chickens. Once the tobacco was over, we still caught chickens during the season. Come pecan. Well, pecans were like in the winter, picking up pecans. We did that. Then when spring come around, it was time to clip onions. Those by there, your onions that y 'all be eating. Yeah. Yeah, that's what Unc was in the field. You got 50 cents a hamper. I make me a quick, you know, I make me a quick$10,$15.

1:10:20And you know what you could do with$15 back then?

1:10:22Shannon Sharpe:I know what I could do. Hold on. When I was a kid, you know what you could do with$15 back when I was a kid? Go to the Candy Lady house? You know how much$15 can carry you at the Candy Lady house back in the 80s? No,$10. No,$5. because$10 of it got to go to granny. You got to help pay some bills. You ain't finna just get all that money and just keep it for yourself. Huh? Oh, that's what you thought? Nah, nah. Okay. For me, it was chore money. You know, it was chore money. I understand once I wash my clothes, once I cut that grass, once I get out there in that rose bed, once I pick the mangoes that are ripe off the tree, once I sweep some goddamn leaves any leaves that was in the yard?

1:11:09Once I washed them cars? Come on now. I got me a good$10,$10,$15 coming. Nope. That can't tell me nothing. I hear that ice cream truck coming. Hey, I'm ready.

1:11:22Shannon Sharpe:Man, please. Me and my brother was talking when he was out here. He said, man, he was looking at it. He was walking around the house. He was in the backyard. He had sent my sister-in-law a picture, my niece. He's like, boy, we sitting on the back just talking yeah said man said when you sit back here what you think i said think of how fortunate and how blessed we are i remember it used to rain you have to go to the bathroom be soaking wet don't you soaking wet mosquitoes you're in the south mosquitoes are bad I remember all that and I'm just sitting nice and I'm just sitting there just thinking God you've been better than me than I even deserve I don't even know what I did to deserve this favor but I thank you so man I just wish I wish my grandma because she was I remember the first time I took my grandma to my house in Atlanta Ocho she was pulling up because she rode with me.

1:12:33Shannon Sharpe:Turn down the street. Like, ooh, ooh. She's like, boy, you living here? I said, yes, ma 'am. So I turn in there and pull up the driveway. Hit the button, the garage goes up. Yeah. She walk in there. My sister come up. She's like, Libby, this is too much house. I never thought I'd believe it. I never thought I'd see this date. She bragged about that. Everybody, all my uncles, all my aunts, people that she went to church with, you ought to see that boy house. If she saw this one, Lord, have mercy. You know what that reminded me of, too, Uncle, while you're sitting there explaining? Remember the American Gangsta?

1:13:21Yeah. Yes. When Denzel called. You were with mom when she came. Yes. And mom saw the house. Yes. Yes. Remind me of that.

1:13:29Shannon Sharpe:Yes. That's exactly how my grandma was. Yeah. She's like, oh, she's like, man, she brags so much. Woo. Leave me that boy guy. I sure hate to have to clean this. I said, granny, I don't clean it. That's why I pay somebody to clean it. Hell to the dog. I don't do nothing. But it was, I mean, she was just so proud. And man, that's why I'm so appreciative of everything, Ocho. Yeah. I know how hard I work. to get in the position that I'm in. I don't take any of that. I've never shied away from hard work. That's what I know. It's like, what you going to do? I don't know what I would do. I don't know if I could just sit still and not do nothing.

1:14:11You like me. You know, I got 274 jobs. I can't sit still. I can't. I got to be doing something. I got to be doing something. I do too.

1:14:26Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I don't know if I could just sit still. I got to do something. Even if I don't do number one day a week, I got to do something. I got to feel like I got to get up to do something. Because if I don't feel like I got to get up to do nothing, I'm like, what's my purpose? Right. I mean, you got to have a purpose. I want you to make sure you keep the same energy, too. When we win a lotto, I don't want to hear nothing about you taking a vacation and you ain't showing up. Because you just said you got to be doing something. So when we hit for about maybe$600,$700,$800 million, make sure you show up on this show every Monday, every Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday, and Sunday.

1:15:05Shannon Sharpe:Hey, I'm going to take some CTO. What's that? Choice time off. PTO is paid time off. I'm taking CTO. Choice time off. I'm headed. Hey, I'm leaving on the next plane. I don't know when I'll be back again. Right. That's all right. As long as they got Wi-Fi. You good. Wherever you going. I'm going to be connected to something, okay? I'm going to be plugged in. I promise you that, Ocho. I promise you that.

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