Best of NFL News Part 2: O.J. Simpson + Turf vs Grass + Brendan Sorsby's Draft HOPES

25:34I understand what he did while he was playing. I did. Commercials. Hey, the whole nine yards. But you have to understand. I did. Yeah. Yeah. From a business standpoint, Joe. Yeah. We understand why they're not putting him in there. We know. We know. Nah, nah, nah. Bring it down for me and Chad. We want to know why they ain't putting him in there. I mean, Joe, I mean. You saying they seen the documentary? You ain't seen the documentary? I seen it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they don't, that's, it brings, not confusion, but if I'm building something new. Man. Especially like a stadium. That the one person, the one polarizing figure that's been a part of our organization that has had some unfortunate circumstances off the field.

26:25I don't want to bring that to my new place. Oh, so you saying he did it? He did. Hey, Joe, I wasn't there, Joe. I don't know. I'm saying if you watch it, Unc, I know you've seen it. Unc, what do you think? All I know is that this is what they tell us. Twelve men in jury, a jury of his peers, said he was innocent. Yeah, so he's innocent. The same thing they told us when George Zimmerman walked his ass up out of court. The same thing that they told us when these police officers go with 12 men and 12 women, 12 men and women, a jury of their peers, and they walk, they say the jury has spoken. The jury spoke.

27:05What do you think? All that conjecture, all that innuendo, all that speculation does not matter. Well. I ain't been to law school, but I took a couple of law classes. The first thing they tell you, it doesn't matter what you think. It only matters what you can prove. Hey. Hey. Damn it. And there's a difference between criminal and civil. In criminal, you got to prove it beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt. In civil, it's preponderance of the evidence. When he went to jail for, huh? Taking his memorabilia back to him. Here's the thing. and this is what I didn't understand about him in this situation.

27:49Why are you laughing, Joe? Because it was memorabilia, Ocho. Here's the thing. The only thing that because he lost civilly. So anything, all the autograph signings, anything that he got, that money would have went to the families of the fallen people. Why are you trying to get that back?

28:10Okay, they stole it. So what? Hey, man, my merch got stolen. it's insured man would beat a whole murder case hey it wouldn't sit down yeah it wouldn't sit down he had good representation oh the best yes they're a dream team hey the best at that time Johnny Cochran, F. Lee Bailey he had Robert Kardashian he had

28:41Barry Sheck the Innocence Project how many I don't know how many people know but go check the Innocence Project and Barry Shack the best they call it the Dream Team it was the trial of the century maybe you gotta go back even further maybe to the Lindbergh child kidnapping I don't wanna get too far back but I'm just saying this is how big this was he got lucky though his ass got lucky if it weren't for that damn Furman His AA. His AA. Hey. All right now. The moment they put us on there was over because they didn't forget. Think about it. Everybody saw, millions and millions of people, saw what they did to Rodney King.

29:28Rodney King, yep. And they watched them walk out of the courtroom. A couple of years earlier, they saw what happened to Natasha Harlins.

29:43see when things happen to them they say respect this decision that it's 12 men and women had spoken yes sir but now all of a sudden y 'all know he did it I know a lot of people did hello nah I don't know nothing all I know is those men and women spoke and they said not guilty Yeah. But listen, even with that. And he said, hey, what did that mean? They said, you guilty. Then they said, I don't know. I wasn't there. They said, OJ said, if I'm not guilty, have me my gloves back. I just said that when he said that. I don't know he said that. I don't know he said it. Hey, innocent or not, you have to understand how those organizations think.

30:31You have to understand how those people that sit in the power think. Yeah, he played a part of the organization, but to us, he's still a stain and putting him in this new building, it ain't happening. Innocent or not. You're right, Ocho. You're right. There's too many red flags. I mean, for those in the chat that might be Bills fans or might say, whoa, Ocho tripping. No, I'm not tripping. I'm just thinking how they thinking. Yeah. I'm not thinking how we thinking. Like, if it was me, I understand what he did for my franchise. He'd be up there if it was me. But hell, I don't own the Bills. That ain't my stadium.

31:05I know how they thinking, though. Hell, now we ain't putting him in our new shit. I don't think anybody look we get upset but I don't think anybody's surprised because it's just like any restaurant any public building guess what they say we reserve the right to refuse service we reserve the right to put you up in this building or not

31:29that's just the way it is I mean I'm not surprised but you guys say you didn't see I'm old enough to remember if you played running back you wanted one number 32 you wanted to be the juice now I'm not telling you I'm not telling what somebody told me Joe I ain't telling you what I'm telling you what I know if you played running back you wanted 32 the juice was it I seen that Joe I had to watch the highlights to get a better understanding on how good he was He had it all. He had world-class speed. What? And he had a commercial. Before OJ, no black was doing what OJ. OJ was getting commercials. Movies.

32:21Car commercials. Yeah. He was the first in the movie kissing people. What? On TV? Remember him in the Naked Gun? You seen the Naked Gun joke? Yeah. I think Elizabeth Montgomery I think that was the movie that he was in No Juice was it and like I said I don't really talk about that situation but I'm just saying it seems to be that things happen blacks go to trial, go to court, and they get a non-guilty, well, you know he did it, but we just supposed to accept. We are supposed to accept when the jury says not innocent with someone else, just take it at that, the jury's spoken. Okay. That. But, you know, I heard all the story.

33:21I've heard a lot of things about OJ that people really knew him, and you know, Jay-Z had the song, says, you know, I ain't black, I'm OJ. Right. Yeah. On the 4-4-4-4. Sometimes you have to get reminded. Who you are. Yeah. Yeah. Bring you back down to earth, huh? Mm-hmm. What Kanye say? No matter how many, you still an end on a coupe, right? Mm-hmm. No matter what. Mm-hmm. So, but look, I'm not surprised by this. I'm not surprised that they took this stance. I was going to be more shocked had they allowed it to go. Yeah. Because if they had done it in the old stadium, you see that where everybody knows the silhouette.

34:09Man, that's what OJ's name used to be. So now in the new stadium moving forward, and for the most part, when you go to the stadium, I mean, I did. I mean, but how many fans, Ocho, Joe, go to a stadium and actually look, try to look at all the greats that played. I did. Yeah. Because I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm a fan of the NFL. I'm a historian of the game. So obviously, you know, you go to the stadium and you see, when you go to Kansas City and you see all these names up there, you're like, damn. Yeah. It's dope. It's dope. I like doing that. I like doing that. Yeah. And now, never thinking, though, Joe, when I set foot in mile high, that one day my name would be up there.

34:52Absolutely. And then one day my name would have the Hall of Fame crest next to it. Damn. I never in a million years. Ocho, Joe, I went to the Hall of – we played in the Hall of Fame game in 1991. I went in the building.

35:09I'm in the building, Joe.

35:14Ocho, you remember at the Pro Bowl, all the Hall of Famers that got selected would come over to the Pro Bowl. so you meet them at the Pro Bowl they have on the Hawaiian shirts normally they have on khakis and they shake your head they come out there at halftime I think now they allow them to come out during the Super Bowl because obviously the Pro Bowl isn't after the Super Bowl anymore and it's a thing they have it in Orlando or wherever they have it I think they had it in Vegas but that was the thing then I was like like I remember in 91 as a matter of fact we played the Lions in the Hall of Fame game.

35:52In the building, just having a good old time like, damn, man, it's cool, man. Man, look at it. They go Joe Green. They go this one. They go that one. Ain't even dawned on me. Hall of Fame ain't crossed my mind. Having my name up in the stadium ain't even crossed my mind. Man, I'm just hoping I can make me. Man, let me get me about two or three years. At least I can tell my kids I played in the NFL. I ain't lie. You know something? Yeah, man, I played and hey I got me two or three years on Joe man I had a nice little NFL career had a nice little run ain't a lot of people get to say they played in the NFL I don't give a damn how long they played 1 % man

36:34man but I'm not surprised hey it's like look it probably would have caused more of a distraction had they put it in there as opposed to them leaving it out you think so yeah I don't know about that one

36:56yeah man you see man Joe they bulldozed that house you do realize that right they bulldozed that house if you don't know if you don't know you'd never know that house was right where it was think about that

37:15they tore the house down they bulldozed it they built over it damn

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41:10The Lions have released Terry and Arnold. Arnold was facing life in prison on kidnapping and robbery charges. Arnold had his bond set at$1 million Monday in Hillsborough County, Florida. Judge Christopher Sobele, who added the following instructions, He's not allowed to contact the six co-defendants or witnesses in the case. He must surrender his passport within 48 hours. He was ordered confined to his residency in Tallahassee, Florida, except when he would be playing, training and traveling with the Lions or making court related appearances or legal appointments. The state asked the judge to require Arnold to wear a GPS tracking device, but attorneys argue that he would not be able to play football with such a device.

42:01another situation Ocho I guess he had an Airbnb normally I guess if you have an Airbnb you're supposed to have insurance on it somehow jury something got missing he felt the people that did it he knew who it was and what's being reported allegedly like they got some girls and they set the guys set them up and allegedly that's what happened but the police report says the people that they have that wasn't the people that did it from what they could deduce. Right.

42:49And look it's a tough situation. Look I know the attorney that he represents Harvey Steinberg Harvey's out of Denver. Yeah. Normally, Broncos, when they have a case, I don't know one person that's ever not had something go on in Denver that Harvey Steinberg didn't have with. So he is as good as you're going to find. So the Lions cut him, though, right? They cut him. Yeah, they let him go. I'm not surprised by this, Ocho. No, absolutely not. I don't think anybody's surprised by this. No, absolutely not. But you got to make better decisions, don't you, Joe? You got to make better decisions. Matter of fact, the people around you, the people around you, they also have to make better decisions.

43:31I'm not sure who I did was understanding, okay, something is missing. Something is going missing. There should be no retaliation for that, especially nobody that's under my umbrella. It's me being the golden goose. It's me being the football player. If anything does go wrong, it's all coming back on me. It's not coming back on y 'all. Some people ain't thinking like that, though, Ojo. I'm telling you, look, you got to look at this young man's situation. Clearly, he wasn't thinking like that here. He felt somebody ruined him. Hey, hold on. You think y 'all finna get over on me? He gonna try to handle it with his own hands.

44:07And obviously, that was the wrong thing to do. But some people don't think logically, you know, when something happens to you and you feel like you've been disrespected, bro. Hey, Joe, once you win that league, once you make it, and those that are around you gotta understand, once you're the golden goose, all that stuff you used to do back in the days, you know, when you ain't had nothing going on and, listen, somebody take something from me, alright, I gotta get it how I get it, okay, then I understand, but once you make it, man, listen, man, whatever it was they stole, you know what, man, listen, my homeboys, listen, we ain't gonna worry about that.

44:45We ain't gonna worry about that. Hey, we all know, that's how you should handle it, but hey, man, your influences around you are everything, bro. They are everything. They everything. So now you're out of a job. Because of the influences around you? Man, no. That should be the least of his worries. He could possibly spend the rest of his damn life in jail. That should be the most important thing. Right.

45:19Losing money is one thing. Trust me. Having your ass in jail is something entirely different.

45:28And like I said, stuff that, look, we've all said this. Somebody get the drop on you. Okay, I got a watch on. I got a necklace on. Somebody get the drop on you, bro. Here, take this. Yeah. I ain't tussling about no what there is nothing that's been created that can't be replaced other than life

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47:17damn man we just we we have to think we have to think differently we have to think smarter and we got to do a better job I mean we got to do a better job of protecting ourselves Let's let's let look Lauren Hill said something very interesting like last night if they not gonna respect us Let us not disrespect us

47:41We can work together we can

47:50Hey if anybody got to have a sound mind if the athlete's not going to have a sound mind somebody in your circle got to have it you right Ocho somebody um I told you hey Joe when we was young when we was younger during my day you know obviously I come up through the 80s and 90s you know that era you know how that era was you know what that was about me trying to be cool and wanting to be with all of them man if you don't get your ass from around here man this ain't what you do. That used to be how it was though Joe. We had structure and there was discipline. Even them boys that's doing what the people that's doing the shit that's wrong.

48:30Joe it was structure and discipline. You gonna make it out. If you don't rock on that side of the track you not even allowed to come ride in there. Nope. Somebody got to be in the right state of mind. Hmm.

48:50Could be taken away from you just like that, boy. Yeah, for sure. Hey, Joe, you remember Vernon Forrest, the fighter? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know you talking about him. Yeah.

49:06Try to track the guy down.

49:13Nah, man. And the thing is, Joe, Ocho, I don't even want nobody. Hey, y 'all, we cool. I grew up with you but how you move I don't move like that and because I don't move like that I can't have you in my circle I used to go around the corner and I stopped I ain't changed I'm still sharp I can still be sharp I ain't got to hang around here to do that

49:46and I appreciate them they like sharp come on man you know I can't let you ride the town because you get stopped I got the stuff on me the headline is going to be you all day long hey man they like when I go in there man I tell them that's my homeboy me and him went to school together I'm like well you know you can tell them that when they come out you ain't got to go in there to tell them you know what I'm saying hey bro you hey man they don't even believe me well when you come out when they come out come around here, my sister tell him, yeah, we wouldn't be all together. You ain't got to go back in there to prove that.

50:27But nah. Damn, man, Taryn.

50:35But Ocho, you said something very important. That used to be how it was. They protected us. Like, man, you ain't... Get your ass around from here. Exactly how it used to be.

50:52same one Joe still here yeah still here still here ain't gonna lie a lot of cats I grew up with man a lot of them gone too boy yeah like from the neighborhood like yeah yeah oh they got time yeah a lot of them ones that I grew up with like my age or a couple years younger than me oh they got time yeah and I don't what I don't get, if they do a nickel, get out for six months, right back. Do a dime, get out, go right back. I'm like, what is the allure that y 'all keep going back? Yeah, it's the hustle in them that they can't shake, bro. They can't shake that hustle, that fast money. They can't shake it.

51:39Gotta get back out there in the field, baby. And they, Joe, they love bragging. Man, we be watching. I said, man, I went to school with him. that's my boy they love I'm like bro you do realize you don't have to be in there to be proud of what I've done yeah we went to school because you know people come around and they come from different areas and sharp tell them didn't I play with you what did I do to sharp they gave me good man you know they're like if it's like if I say they're good they're good because they're like oh he played the pro so he said they were good

52:22Yes, I had guys that was probably the best athlete, one of the best athletes that I went in there was Frank Shepard. Me and Frank was like this here. He and I grew up, we went to the same church. You talking about a hell of an athlete?

52:46He could have played in the pros. He was every bit the athlete, if not better than what I was. Yeah, you see that. You see that coming up too, bro. Yeah. Hey, I done seen so many guys, bro, who I came up with. I'm talking about had talent at the wazoo. You hear me? But, man, when you don't got no structure or discipline with that, it's hard to make it, bro. It's hard to make it. Ooh, it's hard to make it. You know what, guys? What I used to do, I used to say all the time, man, if I made it, we from the same environment. I don't have any more than you have. You don't have any less than what I have.

53:28And I said, you know what? I stopped thinking like that. I said, because I had something that you didn't have. I had Mary Porter. See, while some of them moms and grandma let them do whatever they wanted to do, first of all that never even crossed my mind when papa was five and then when granny i think granny got a little bit more stricter because she knew he wasn't gonna be around so stuff that she might have let slide if he was around granny play that and then knowing what she had done for you know took raised her nine and then took my mom's three Yeah, I was used to suck the teeth here or there.

54:09I got to get popped. I ain't finna tell nobody I better bother my grandson. Because I ain't. But, man.

54:25Damn, CJ. But, Nightcap, do us a favor, man. Send thoughts and prayers to CJK, his family. CJ2K's family. I know he's going through it. I know he could use that. I know his family, friends, and loved ones, they could use that. But do that. I'm definitely going to make sure. I said one earlier today, but I'm going to make sure before I lay my head down on that pillar tonight, I say another prayer for him and his family.

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