BEST OF NFL PART 1: Darren Waller, Ernest Jones IV JOIN + Is A.J. Brown SELFISH?

21:04What songs? Huh? Your connection fucked up? Nah I got I'm gonna show it to you. I'm gonna send it to you but yeah Yeah, we get in the studio, do a little something, a little duo, a little duet or something. Take less, bro. Hey, I need to know, what's the best cigar lounge in South Florida, bro? I'm in like Fort Lauderdale area. Hey, listen, we could go together. Smoke on the water. Smoke on the water? Smoke on the water, right there, right off Royal Palm Boulevard. Yeah, or it's a -

21:37Shannon Sharpe:You know, Darren, I don't do nothing but smoke them Daniel Marshalls. Hey, send me my cigars, man. Whoa, whoa, I'm talking to the guests. This ain't got nothing to do with you, Ocho. I'm telling the man what I smoke. You don't even smoke. You don't even smoke. Ocho. You see, all I'm saying is that the Daniel Marshall, those with 24 carat, you know, I got a box of those. Can you see my cigars? Hey, D, on Pembroke Pines Boulevard, there's another cigar bar called Aficionados. So it's them two I go to is real nice. I ain't smoke no 24-karat gold, but. Yeah, you the gold leaf. You look gold. Something like, you know, Daniel Marshall.

22:20Shannon Sharpe:Next time you go to the cigar bar, that they're going to be in the case. You just can't go pull them because, you know, they're like 85 to 120 a stick. But, you know. Nah, AD, don't listen to him. Them sticks cost$289 a part. Nah, we all got it. Listen. Yeah, they're$289. Ocho, why you mad? Because I got a box of them. Damn. I see you a couple. Hey, D, them sticks was probably sent to him by accident. They were probably for me. I... You don't smoke cigars, huh? Whoa, whoa, whoa. We'll get to that. Oh, you don't like him out? Darren, in 2020, you founded the Darren Waller Foundation with the mission to equip youth to avoid and overcome addiction of drugs and alcohol, support the youth and their family during the recovery and treatment journey.

23:07Shannon Sharpe:I don't know how well our audience know, but you were originally drafted by the Ravens. I mean, a guy that's your size, 6 '5 1⁄2", 255 pounds, can run like you can run. You're a matchup problem. No linebackers doing anything with you. Safety, they're just too small. People are putting their best corner. You beat Salzburg touchdown. You were getting, when you were at your prime, when you were with the Raiders, I thought you were going to get my record that day, too. I think you had like 15 catching for 200 yards. I'm like, damn, he going to get it. to overcome what you overcame when you're at your darkest did you understand that man i'm throwing this great opportunity away did you did you understand when you're in it do you understand or do you realize that you actually have an addiction who told you you have an addiction when did you realize you have that's a great question i feel like in the moment i don't think you can i think you're too numb at least i was like for me like the the drinking and and And shit like that was to numb a lot of things I was feeling, thinking, experiencing.

24:11So in those moments where, you know, a normal person would feel like, oh, fuck, like I'm throwing this shit away. Like I don't have access to that feeling. Like it's all kind of shut off, you know what I'm saying? And I had guys like Ben Watson was with the Ravens when I was there. Like right before I got suspended, he was like, if you could just like lock in, bro. Like you don't know where this shit could go. Like a whole bunch of people just telling me that. And I'm just like, I can't really receive it because I also don't really have that much confidence in myself. So I realized I was addicted when I OD'd in 2017.

24:42It was like a month before what would have been my third season. And I was probably going to be a start in tight end in Baltimore that year. That was 2017. And yeah, I OD'd and then went to rehab a month later. And I'm just sitting there listening to everything they're saying. I'm like, damn, like I definitely, that's 100 % me. It's all throughout my family. You know what I'm saying? like throughout like the generations of my family has kind of like impacted a lot of people so it's passed on to me and then being able to have the opportunity to be like all right i could change the course of generations going forward for my family and also just you know be somebody that people can look to because like me shit i don't fuck that plenty times and but they could still be successful whatever they got going yeah how how old were you when when you started drinking

25:28Shannon Sharpe:or you started dabbling with drugs? Were you young or whether you got to college, you started drinking, you know, college atmosphere? Was it at high school? Yeah, I was pretty young. I was like 15. I got into like painkillers, like the hydrocodone, five milligrams, 10 milligrams first. Started smoking weed and drinking. After that, probably like junior year. And was just kind of off from there. It got real crazy through college and through my first couple of years in the league. And then, so it was about like a 10 year run from like 15 to I got sober like a month for my 25th birthday.

26:01Shannon Sharpe:What would you want to, what message would you like to share with the youth about what they can potentially overcome, given you're the best teacher because you've overcome something. You know a lot of what these kids are dealing with. You know a lot of the signs. You know a lot of the symptoms. You know a lot of, man, I'm all right. No, you're not. Because that seat that you're sitting in, I sat in that seat for about a decade. Now I'm in this seat and I want to share with you the message of how you can beat this addiction. The message for me is just like, there are so many different ways that we try to mask what we really feel in or who we really are.

26:40We compare ourselves to so many different people. There has to be some level of return to like authenticity, find like a comfortability, like a peacefulness and a joy in just being like exactly who you are. because I feel like me, this young kid, I was like, it all stemmed from the pain I felt from feeling like I was always like the odd man out or people thought I was too weird or I had big ears, big feet, I was getting roasted. It all started from all these little things. I was like, man, I don't feel like I'm good enough. I want to turn to things that make me feel like I'm good enough or at least forget the fact that I'm not good enough.

27:13And when really it's like there are people around you that are going through the same things. We just all try to act like we don't have stuff going on in our lives. so it's really just being yourself you're going to attract people to to you that love you for who you are and that will support you whatever you go through so i would just say you know there is really no peace no sobriety possible if you don't find ways to really deal with the pain the trauma that happened earlier in your life or whenever in your life and just yeah finding peace with just being who you are whether people like it or not i like that happiness happiness is you know people

27:48Shannon Sharpe:say i found happiness but happiness is something that you create peace is something that you create how long did it take you to get to that point that you says i'm at peace with darren i'm happy with um it's been elusive man to be honest like i think my journey with like sobriety just kind of seeing life differently started like 2017 and i feel like there were a couple years in there where i was like okay like i'm moving in the right direction and then there was some years in there where i'm like i don't know i feel like i'm kind of moving away like i'm still sober but there's still like still something that's blocking a little bit um from you know say 21 to 23 and then it's like since retiring it's opened up nothing but a path for me to just go as deep as possible with those kind of things and really just look at myself in the mirror and now I feel like it's like a lot more attainable I feel like the happiness is fleeting but it's like I'm a lot more content with my life like I don't need I can step into football and just be like what I'm gonna have this experience.

28:47This is what I want to do. I don't need it to do something for me, to validate me, to do X, Y, and Z. It's just like, this is the way I'm choosing to live my life. And I'm going to enjoy this shit. That's dope, man. The funny thing about it too, I'm really glad. I mean, I'm really glad you're able to be authentic and raw in answering these questions. The questions are phenomenal too because there are people that are probably in the chat. There are people that are going to see this and people that are dealing with the same issues you are and not knowing how to navigate those situations or how to deal with it.

29:20And you being a testimony and being someone that has had issues, but gotten the help and look where you are now. That, I mean, dude, that's an amazing story. And kudos to you for having, for one, the discipline to do it and stick to it and be able to live out your childhood dream again. because most times people don't get a second chance.

29:44Shannon Sharpe:Appreciate that, man. Darren, we're going to get you out of here on this one. Now that you're back, have you put a timetable or a time limit on how long you want to play or you take it year by year or you're like, you know what, I'd really like to get two or three more in or you're saying, you know what, all I know is that I'm going to play 2025 and I'll worry about 2026 and 2026 and beyond once that time arrives. But right now, I'm in the here, I'm in the now, and that's all I can control. I think you really just said it right there, man, because it's like after experiences like Monday, because I came in, like I said, I got hurt my first couple weeks of training.

30:20I'm like, damn, bro, are we on this shit again? Like, this shit's still happening? And so I'm like, there's doubt, there's fear. Like, did I even make the right decision coming back? But then having like a night like Monday, it's like, well, wait. Like, this feels like there's still like plenty left here. maybe there is something more down the future but it's like i feel like like you just said playing this season giving this season my all and then reevaluating from there and uh so i'm i'm open to everything i don't want to say i'm done this is just one chapter because you know i don't really know every time i thought i've had my life figured out in which direction it should go i feel like god has flipped the script and been like nope we're going this way now because i i was i was i was set on not playing football ever again but it's like here i am so i'm trying to just remain open.

31:09Shannon Sharpe:Well, Darren, thanks for joining us tonight, man. Congratulations on all the success. Everything that you've overcome lets us know that there is a God and that anything is possible. Stay healthy. And after the season, come back and talk to us. Yes, sir, man. Appreciate you always. I appreciate you coming on, man. Darren Waller, tight end for the Miami Dolphins to go through what he's gone through, Ocho, to be able to overcome because, you know, hey, Like you said, he was about to start in Baltimore and ended up getting suspended a couple of times. And they moved on. And now he ends up with the Raiders.

31:43Shannon Sharpe:And he's a Pro Bowl player. I mean, he's at the top. He's one of those top players. And then, you know, all of a sudden, abruptly, you know, he steps away from the game. And for two years, he's like, you know what? I want to come back. And kudos to the Dolphins for giving the opportunity. I don't know if there were other teams out there willing to give him an opportunity. but I know the Dolphins was one because he's playing with the Dolphins. And so it's always great when you, you know, you, you, you, you, you're here, you're down here and then you're back up here again. And so, like you said, he doesn't know if he'll ever be what he once was in his prime, but for him to come back and to show that there's a possibility, because Ocho, you and I talk about it all the time.

32:24Shannon Sharpe:It's easier to get into the league. Oh yeah. Then get out and try to get your butt back in. Yeah. But listen, if you, if you're really good, and you leave a good impression before you leave, the chance that you're coming back, they're pretty good. He's a mismatched nightmare. You think about this. Remember when Jimmy Graham's with the Saints? Yep. You see what he looked like? Yep. Gronk, I'm not saying he's Gronk. I'm not saying he's Jimmy Graham, but I'm just saying that he's a mismatched nightmare. Yes. He can go out there out wide and go against receivers. I mean, he's really good. He got a small sample size of that when they played Monday night.

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37:29Shannon Sharpe:Now, our second guest joining us.

37:35Shannon Sharpe:Won the Super Bowl with the Rams. Played unbelievable tackling machine. Hey, here you are, starting middle linebacker for the Seattle Seahawks, Ernest Jones. That's it. Yes, sir. How y 'all doing? How you doing, bro? How y 'all doing? Man, we doing good. I'm here on the road, chilling. Hey, I can tell you something real quick. Talk to me. Hey, do you feel blessed that you ain't got to deal with me in today's game? Honestly, I wish you was out there. We wouldn't have to worry about you too much. You don't think so? But you know I would have ran you over a little bit. You know we got a Devin Witherspoon out there, right?

38:16A Devin Witherspoon. The only Witherspoon I know is the kind I eat with. That's it. And running me over with never happened, man. But I'm 236-4. I seen what Ray did to you. Who? You know Ray.

38:35Shannon Sharpe:hey uh Ernest man thanks for joining us bro you fit right in in Seattle I mean you having a great you've having a let's go back the Rams bro you playing out of your mind you 130 140 tackles what happened what happened with the Rams I mean we still trying to figure it out honestly we we don't know we don't we really don't know um all i know is we we ended a training camp practice in houston i get off the uh the plane ahead to my car and i get the call like hey we we finna trade you and i i didn't um really see it coming thought it was a joke at first but they were real serious hold on what did were you at hello was you were you asking for a contract what what left something had to precipitate this.

39:29We never even got there. I never got to talk numbers with them. Just nothing. It came out of nowhere for us on our end. But honestly, I'm fortunate and glad it happened though because Seattle really changed everything for me.

39:48Shannon Sharpe:Now you get to be yourself. You go to a team that Seattle, they pride themselves on defense. Ever since the Legion of and all those guys with Earl and Sherm and Chancellor and all those guys, Averill and Bennett, from their Wags, B-Wags, from that time on, this has been a defensive-led football team. And you land in a defensive-led football team. You mentioned Witherspoon. You mentioned Wolin. You mentioned the guys that you guys now have. How has that transition been so seamless? Because it seems like you were drafted to Seattle, like you were born to play in Seattle. I agree with you there. that's how I feel.

40:26I think the biggest thing that different from there than a lot of the places that I've been, it's 53 other guys in that room, in that locker room, man, they dogs, man. They play football the right way. It's for the love of the game and getting in there in October. Once I was there, they, they welcomed me in so, so seamlessly and it, and it just was a perfect fit. You, you, now, I don't know if you know this, they traded you to the, they traded you to Seattle, right you know what that means you know when the rams when a team trades you within within the

40:59Shannon Sharpe:division you know they don't have a whole lot of respect for you artists you know well they traded me to tennessee first oh well you got oh and see what you're buying here because see they tried to keep you out of the smoke but now you gotta see me twice so so now we okay let's so you look up there you say you know what we got uh we got y 'all such and such week we got y 'all such and such a week. I don't know what's going to happen, but I promise you, y 'all going to feel 13. Oh, yeah. 100%. I'll be there. Whatever time the game start, I'll be there early.

41:34What has it been like playing out there in that stadium? I remember being out there, that 12th man. Boy, you can't hear nothing, boy. Boy, nothing. What is that feeling like, man, being out there with those fans? I mean, like you said, you can't hear nothing. I remember coming up here when I was with the Rams. And, you know, the stadium, of course, I'm on defense and their offense is gone, so I really don't hear the noise. But, man, my first game here, when we played Buffalo, I was like, this is real. The 12, they show up everywhere, anywhere. Rain, sleet, snow, or hell, they're going to show up.

42:08It's good to have a fan base that comes to support us, and we got to show out for them.

42:16Shannon Sharpe:Seahawks, they're allowing the second a fewest points the third best red zone defense fourth most takeaways six most sacks six best run defense how have you guys the first at the quarter poll how have you guys been able to play so well so quickly on defense i i guess for us i think the cliche answer would be like you know we trust in the guys you know next to us we put in the work but i'm be honest with you man i mike mcdonald he the man um he puts us in great positions to get out the quarterbacks get out the opposing and offenses throughout the week he gets us ready. And, man, on Sunday he calls a great game.

42:52So a lot of it has to do with, you know, our ability and us going out there and executing. But our coach got us dialed in right now.

43:00Shannon Sharpe:When you look – think about it. You was on that team that won the Super Bowl, Vaughn Miller. You got AD. You got Floyd. You had Ram. I mean, have you ever thought of – I mean, did you go home and be like, damn, but we got this defense for real and man, shoot, every day that whole year, I was just thinking about it, man, before the Super Bowl, I'm sitting up there reminiscing on like, okay, big moment this is what you've been kind of working for and I think I ended it with like shoot, just don't fuck it up for Aaron Donald, just don't mess it up for them so I went out there and just went out there and played and balled, but man, that learning from the best there is to play AD, Bond Miller out there getting sacks.

43:48I mean, even Weddle. Weddle came in and showed me what it's like to be a true teammate, true leader. So big credits and shout out to those guys.

43:56Shannon Sharpe:What was it like watching Aaron Donald? Because I remember watching him coming out and I saw him at the Super Bowl before the draft and they're like, I was like, damn, who is that? I said, man, that's Aaron Donald. I said, that little rascal? He the way to be called? Because when you look at him, He's not a I mean he he has wide shoulder, but you look at him. He like six foot tall like Boy When I watched his first game when he was a rookie while watching it, uh, when he was not that pit Yeah, I was like ain't no way that him doing all raising all that hill Take it on double T split double team getting skinny and doing everything everything you can think that when you first saw When you first saw him, what did you think, Ernest?

44:40When I first saw him, I'm going to be honest, I didn't know too much about him. Of course, he was Aaron Donald, had been in the league a couple years, but I wasn't really all the way hip to him like I should have been. And I can remember the first day I was out there giving calls, and he didn't get the call, and he told me to speak up. And the way he said it just caught me off guard. So I'm like, I can't let this grown man talk to me like that. But to sit back and watch him, I found myself a lot of times watching him, watching him create habit, destroy stuff. And there's been times, man, he's stopped practicing.

45:14They told him to get out. So I've seen some things.

45:19Shannon Sharpe:Because you can't get anything done. If he's giving it 100 % effort, you see what he does on Sunday. Now, everybody don't got a Zach Martin or a Quentin Nelson to be able to deal with him. Or what's the guy in Seattle? I mean, not Seattle, but the 49ers. what's the left tackle name Mocho? Trent. Big Trent. Everybody don't got that. So if he says, you know what? I'm just going to wreck shop today. Y 'all ain't going to get nothing done. You're not going to get anything done. And he decides when he wants to do that. That's crazy. Your squad started the season with the 20th best odds to make the Super Bowl.

45:58Shannon Sharpe:Every publication had you guys pick dead last. Now, all of a sudden, hey, it looked like you and you and you, it might come down to you and you. It's turning, huh? It's turning. That was the plan, though. That's the plan. We know what it is. I firmly believe when the NFC West, when all four of those teams are smoking and on fire, man, that's one of the hardest divisions to come out of. So we know what's on the line. We know who we got to get through to get there. And we... Last game of the season, this for the division, Rams takes on the Seahawks. This is for the division. What can we expect from Ernest Jones?

46:40Oh, man, a performance. I'm ready to ball out. A performance, something sweet, slow, and sexy. And you know what's funny? Defense, y 'all, the numbers speak for itself. Already a quarter way through the season. But that goddamn Sam Donald and JSN? Ballers. What? they might be the next big thing. That duo right there is growing. To see where they came from, from OTAs, when offensively they were learning new, couldn't really figure it out to see them guys where they're at now. And this is just a start. Sam's a baller, cool, composed, and JSN's a quiet killer out there.

47:22Shannon Sharpe:Were you surprised that AD stepped away when he did? Because you're talking about a guy that played 10 years. He won three MVPs. he won uh uh i mean he was phenomenal he's an eight-time nine-time first team all pro i mean and he's just like you know what i don't want to do it no more i don't have the passion to train which what it requires me to be the ad that y 'all see every sunday that takes the off season and i'm done with that i i truly i could say i wasn't surprised because we kind of knew coming into that year that it was going to be it. But I'd say you just said it. For him to, you know, I guess be honest with himself and know that, you know, I don't have what it takes to be Aaron Donald.

48:04I don't want to come out here and do the training camp. And steal their money. And hunt. And just, you know, be taken like you just said. It was kind of honorable for him to put it up the way he did. Went out on his sword. Went out at the top of his game. And, you know, you got to talk about him for years now as one of the best. Yeah. And the funny thing too, and E, when you think about it, think about Aaron Donald and all his accomplishments. You look at his accolades. You look at his resume. He's coming to the NFL. He won a championship. What the hell else does he have to prove?

48:36Shannon Sharpe:He has nothing else to prove. I mean, a lot of people don't have anything to prove, but they're hard to walk away from 30 million. Did he walk away from it? I think they were still paying my boy a little bit. I mean, like I said, it wasn't like you saw slippage in his game. He could still split the double team. He's one-on-one, and he lined up. He's turning every door. Oh, this is locked. Oh, man, they left this one open. He's going to stay right there. He's moving up and down the line, and he's telling everybody, I mean, your offensive line coach for the opposing team, number 99, you circle him, he's going to get a chance to whip all y 'all ass so don't be worried about him.

49:14Let's go on to the next guy because that's what's going to happen.

49:17Shannon Sharpe:He's going to whip everybody's ass, and you have to – Guys like him and LT and Reggie White and Bruce Smith, you had to account for them. They would wreck your entire offense if you did not have one miss. He's going to hit your quarterback in the back of the head and he's going to put it on the ground. That's how he was, man. Just a monster, man. Just wrecking shot every day. It's some stories that he probably wouldn't want told online, but that man is a monster. that yeah that he was whipping all the offensive linemen ass they couldn't nobody block him and he say look here if y 'all give me a little a little fee i take it easy with y 'all today because you had because they had one-on-one you had one-on-one in training camp you had one-on-one sometime during the course of the year yeah ain't nobody blocking him at some point yeah i mean what you gonna do he's getting that shade he's getting that he's getting that three tech well hell he can get in the five he could cut he could go up and down the line he can get into a nine he can get to a seven and get into a five or three a tilt doesn't matter what you're gonna do and you know it's funny he uses his hands i've never seen a d a lineman look use his hands like he could he's almost like a wide receiver i mean if you look at the way he's moving his hand how we swimming how we knocking people's hands away that's how he was as a defensive lineman and then he catch you he pushed the arm up and did he get skinny i gotta i'm in there and hold on hold on they got a bad boy over there in seattle right now too now who that 99 yes sir oh yeah uh uh williams yeah they got a bad i'm not saying he aaron donald but he's a bad bad man i listen i i've got the luxury to play behind some great defensive tackles knows man he's he's up there he's one of he's one of the ones man and that whole front that whole front four whoever they roll out jan reed we got byron murphy those guys man they keep me protected and i just fly around and make plays and you just you just get the flow you just like hey keep it clean

51:28Shannon Sharpe:what when you come i want to know the goal so when you come when you start the season when you get ready it's like okay i'll be getting ready to go to training camp give me some give me some of the goals that you set for yourself? Oh, man, I'm sorry. I think for me some of the goals that I set when it comes to coming out of training camp, are you saying on a personal level or just as far as you think? Yeah, on a personal level. Obviously, you want to win. If I do what I'm supposed to do, we're going to win because I'm going to get me about 150. No, for sure. I'll say for me coming into this season specifically, this is the healthiest I've been.

52:04I dealt with a the issue for the past two years and it's still able to play at a pretty good level but for me this year was coming in healthy and then it was from that let's take the next step in my game let's let's start affecting these passes that come across this middle and coverage a little bit more um let's be more fluid out in space make those tackles and let's just see what happens man of course i want to go i want to go all pro i want to be a pro bowler um but i'm all about winning and getting there and doing what's best for my team. You want another piece of jewelry, huh? I need it. This one over here getting lonely, man.

52:37I need another one.

52:40Shannon Sharpe:Let me ask you a question. Do you wear it? Like, when you go on road trips, you suited and booted. Have you pulled it out? Do you wear it? Or are you just like, nah, I got to get you a partner. I got to get you a homeboy. No, I don't wear it. Today, I pulled it out today for the first time. Today was the first time in a while. But I don't wear it. I'm waiting to get a twin sister. Yeah, you gotta get a twin. You gotta get a twin for it. Because he lonely up there. You know, he like, damn, I ain't got nobody to talk to. I ain't got nobody to holler at or nothing. What's going on? I need it. And we keep going the way we're going and just keep getting better.

53:14I think we got a great shot at it. Ocho, you got anything else? Nah, nah, nah. I'm done. I'm done. My last thing for Ocho. Hey, that Madden overall, we got to tighten up. Tell me what you need, bud. Hey, listen, I take care of the receivers and the DBs. I don't really operate with the linebackers and stuff. What you need, speed? You need script? For me, it's overall. I think we lacking a couple things. The tackling, I think we do need to be better. Missed four tackles last year. Ain't too many people only missing four tackles. We got to get that up a little bit. Right. So what's your overall right now?

53:54I think I'm like an 81. Damn. 81. 81. Yeah, yeah, that real low. That real low. I don't agree with that. Listen, I got a meeting with the EA team in the morning. I'm going to address that. I'm going to bring it up. I'm going to bring it up. Like, I'm really not in a position to bring it up if it's not a skilled position, like receiver DB. But I can sit on the table for you because it's on film. I appreciate that. That's all I play for is the film. I got you. I got you, Twain. I got you. Who y 'all got this week, guys?

54:25Shannon Sharpe:That's going to be a good one. Yeah. They got A. They got, hey, Bucky Irving and White, they can run the ball. Baker throwing it, hey, that's going to be a good matchup. It's going to be a good one. They come out to Lumen, so we'll see them Sunday. See, I played in Lumen before y 'all wasn't good. It wasn't a crowd noise. Matter of fact, Ocho, you know how to be like this here? I was on the opposing team like, get up, damn. I feel like I'm in church. It's going to pop this week. It's going to pop this week. Oh, for sure. So when you got to Seattle, did you go to the market? I haven't been yet.

55:07Shannon Sharpe:Damn, Martin, what the hell you waiting on? Hey, you got to go catch the fish. I got here in October. The only thing I was trying to do was figure out a playbook. I was trying to figure that out. But we're going to get there. Me and my wife are going to get down there at some point. So you like seafood? You like fish? I'll go for fish. I'm allergic to shrimp, but other seafood, I'm starving. I'm allergic to shellfish also. It's just shrimp for me, which is crazy. No, shrimp, lobster, crab, oysters, scallop. It's a scallop, Jordan. Now, I can eat calamari. I love calamari. But that's the difference.

55:46Shannon Sharpe:That's a crustacean and a mullet. So they're two different. I'll tell you about it later, Ojo. But anyway. Hey, with your diet, you're not one of them healthy eaters and eat all that good stuff. Ocho, I'm going to be mad here. I'm like you. I'm going to get it in. I'm going to get it in. I will say I ain't been to McDonald's in a minute, but I'm going to get full. I'm going to just eat. That's what I'm talking about. And see, people want to understand, they want to question, why is he so good? Why is he great? Why is he one of the best in the NFL? You know why? Because he eats the way he's supposed to eat.

56:21I'm on a South Georgia diet. Hey, clean that diet up.

56:25Shannon Sharpe:I guarantee you all pro. First team. Hey, you clean the diet up, you gonna get that up. Clean that diet up, first team all pro. Pro Bowl. Nope. I got you. Get you about five forced fumbles, three picks. Now you know with 135 tackles, four forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries, and three picks. Now they're talking about DPOY. That's what they're talking about. I don't know if you want that or not, but you clean that diet up. I'm gonna get it done. I'm gonna get it done. That's what I'm talking about. Hey, listen. Don't be listening to Ocho. Hey, I'll tell you one thing. Whatever you put in your system ain't got nothing to do with making none of that he just named.

57:02I got you, man.

57:04Shannon Sharpe:Ernest, man, thank you, man. Appreciate you joining us tonight. Best of luck. Yes, sir. I appreciate y 'all. Hey, and when that season turns out the way you want it, come back and talk to us again. I got you. Thank y 'all for having me. Appreciate you, bro. Ernest Jones, the fourth, starting middle linebacker for Seattle Seahawks, man. He's an unbelievable player. I mean, I was shocked. I was absolutely shocked that they, when they traded him, Ojo, because I didn't see it because I'm like, man, no, no, he can really play. Oh, yeah, absolutely. No, yeah, he could really, really play. So I'm absolutely shocked that they moved him.

57:37Yeah, the funny thing too about it, Unc, when you move a player that's that good, it makes that kind of impact at that position. That means there's somebody else that they see behind him that they believe in. and I'm not sure who that is right now. Well,

57:57Shannon Sharpe:no one man's trash is somebody else's treasure because the Seahawks got an unbelievable... Hell, I'm surprised he didn't stay in Tennessee. Yeah. Look, no, the guy can play. Y 'all know I call it like it is. He can play. He for real. He in the right place.

58:23Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Joe, AJ Brown spoke to the media about why he's frustrated with the Eagles offense being stagnant at times. Let's take a listen to what he had to say. Yeah. But I think it's fair to, you know, to want the ball, to get us going. Like last week against the Rams, you know, I caught the sluggo. Got the offense going next play, opened up and got it. The safety came up to my side and opened it up. So, you know, I don't think it's a bad thing for wanting the ball. It's not just for targets or anything to put numbers up, but no, I see that we're struggling and I'm a guy that wants the ball in those times when we can't find a way.

58:57Give it to me. Like when the game's on the line, give the ball to me. I want that. I want that pressure. I put it on myself, you know, and I work hard for it. And so, and that's what, you know, the misconstruction or whatever you misconstrue, you know, whatever perspective you can about me, but it is what it is. And I don't care, to be honest, because my teammates know. My teammates know that when the game's on the line, look at me, you know? And I want everybody in the stadium to know that, you know? That's not a secret. You know, I'm not shying away from that. And so that's when you see that frustration, all that hunger comes out.

59:31And it's because I see we struggling, and I believe that you give the ball to me, I'm going to open up things, and I'm going to get this thing going. You can put it on my back. I like that.

59:41Shannon Sharpe:You like that he took accountability for his thing? Yeah. I love you too. The only thing I would say is that keep it in house because the perception of how it's going to be perceived is completely different. you know optics and perception is everything in our business and this and the one thing he did say you heard what he said towards the end is even if you guys misconstrue what i'm saying or what the meaning is that i'm trying to get across i don't care and you have to have that mentality as well he has that he has that mama mentality in a sense he has a killer mentality at the receiver position he's out there by his cell phone he's on the island by himself so he's reliant on 10 other people.

1:00:30Shannon Sharpe:No, he plays a dependent position. Exactly. You had the mercy of the quarterback. Hey, every time. So I just think when we're struggling or the type of team we are, the way our offense is, we run the ball to open up the pass. Well, you know what? I'm a player that's here where we can throw the ball to open up the run. And I want to be that guy. I put the pressure and the onus on myself. Get me the ball in these situations. You know the hard thing is, Ocho? Is that when you win a certain way, the team believes that's the only way they can win.

1:01:08Shannon Sharpe:So what do they do? Well, we won it last year. Well, you have to evolve. Because Saquon is not, the holes are not there for Saquon this year like they were last year. So clearly the defense is saying, we are not going to let 26 beat us. At all. If you guys want to beat us, he's going to have to throw the ball. Yeah. And AJ said, well, damn, can we throw the ball when they don't know we're going to throw the ball? Hell, if we just throw the ball on third down, you make it really hard. But, you know, I'll be open on first down too. I'll be open on second down. Yeah. And then hold on, hold on. It'll be an opportunity.

1:01:46And one more thing. One more thing. Another thing that they need to do. Let's be a little bit more creative. Let's be a little bit more creative when it comes to the type of routes that he's giving A.J. Brown the run. I can name him, too, based on the split every time. The under. Under and the slant. Listen, if he's two yards outside the number, he's running the goddamn slant. If he's on top of numbers, he's running the goddamn curl. If he's a split and condensed, he's running the quick stick route.

1:02:16Shannon Sharpe:Yep. It's the same concept every time. Like, what the hell are we doing?

1:02:25Shannon Sharpe:That's it. Oh Joe Travis Kelsey spoke about AJ Brown's tweet saying you're four and oh boss come on man it's frustrating for AJ right now clearly he's going to he's going to social media to show it when I show my frustration when we aren't rolling as an offense but it's but it's also really hard for me to get mad when we're winning I don't find that energy when we're winning putting up points and winning football game that's all I said that was my entire point it's hard people you can't say Well, I'm hungry. I give you food. Man, this ain't no Wagyu. This ain't no all grown potatoes. Man, this ain't no lobster mac and cheese.

1:03:08Shannon Sharpe:And that was my point. That was all I was trying to say. It's hard to get people on your side when you're winning. Philly wants to win. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And so when you're winning, it's hard to get people like, yeah, AJ, you're right. They were like, AJ, we winning. Yes, I want you to catch passes, but not as much as I want to win the game. And so that's all I would say. And I get what people say. And people are like, with Travis Kelsey, yeah. He gets a little bit. Hey, when they not winning, yep, he going to act up. When that offense is stagnant, and that's what AJ is saying. So it's just hard.

1:03:49Shannon Sharpe:AJ, go talk to Jalen. Go talk to Sirianni. And go talk to your damn head, your offensive coordinator. That's who I'm talking to. I ain't going to put no tweet out. I ain't going to put nothing on no Twitter, Ocho. I'm going to talk to them because I got a direct line. I know where your office is, and I got her phone number. You don't think he done did that? You don't think he done did that? Because we had the same problems last year. You don't think he's done that? I think the first step is he probably went and had those conversations already, and nothing has changed. Nothing changed. Now we in the next year and the same shit still going on.

1:04:26Shannon Sharpe:But again, I give a prime example. Monday night. What did you see Chase do? Chase walked right up to Zach Taylor, didn't he? He walked right up to him. He was frustrated. He was frustrated. And I'm curious. I'm curious to see. And it don't get no easy this week, huh? It don't get no easy this week. They play Detroit. Oh, Lord. They play Detroit. You know Detroit put points on the board, don't you? Who are you telling? They scored 50 week before last, and they scored 40 the last game. We don't have no choice. Zach Taylor spoke to the media today and said, there's no need for us to bring another quarterback in, a veteran, because we believe in Jake Browning.

1:05:09I said, well, shoot, if we believe in Jake Browning, I ain't got no choice but to get on that bus too. Guess where I'm at right now? Where? In Cincinnati. guess who I'm going to talk to in the morning? Who? The team. What you going to talk about? I'd be damned if I get embarrassed Sunday. I'd be damned. I'm going to the game Sunday. Obviously, I'm going to the game Sunday. Don't worry about it.

1:05:40Shannon Sharpe:You can leave at halftime. It'll be over. Hey, listen. Hey, Unc. Hey, Chad, we going to start on time. Hey, when they get this pep talk for me when they get this pep talk for me before that game It's a wrap. I'm telling you I'm telling you

1:06:00Okay, I can't wait to hear this pep talk a matter of fact, you know what I'm so happy and just just speaking back About like I know you ain't send me none of my gifts, but I got a nice gift for you I got a nice what haven't I sent you hold on. I got a nice gift for you to show you my appreciation and thanks for giving me the opportunity. I got you an awesome gift.

1:06:24Shannon Sharpe:You know what, Ocho? I'm going to sing you your gift. I'm going to sing you your gift. You didn't even ask me what the gift was. No, I don't need to know. The whole point is, okay, Ocho, what's the gift? I got tickets for me and you to send front row. Front row. And we got backstage passes so we can take pictures and stuff. at the NBA Youngboy concert, October 13th. Where is that? In Miami. All right, listen, listen, listen, wait, before you say anything. I know how you like to fly. I already got the private jet charter to pick you up, bring you to Miami. I got a driver for you to bring you to the concert.

1:07:06I got you two security guards. Two security guards. Ocho, I don't know what song NBA Youngboy sing, man. I don't either. What you need to do is go listen to the song Rebels kick it you can start there and then I send you other stuff up-to-date that can catch you up to what you gonna hear at the can you give me can you get me a Chris Brown ticket I know Chris Brown I know what about Drake see you don't think um we a you you you a YN right now you a YN and nah hey we got I'm an O-N. Huh?

1:07:40Shannon Sharpe:I'm an O-N. What's O-N stand for? An O-Ninja.

1:07:48Hey, listen. Hey, listen. I got you the lime green bandana that tied around your neck. I got you a leather vest.

1:07:55Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Lord have mercy. And wear some Black Air Force Ones. Hey, we're going to be in there cutting up. You hear me? Man, you got to give me... I mean, if I were to go to a concert, I ain't been to a concert, man. I know. Adele was the last concert when she had the residency. Ocho, you got to give me something easy, man. Damn. This is easy. Hey, listen. He going to bring us on stage, right? Nah, I don't need to be out there. Hey, we ain't. I'm on probation for the rest of 25. I know, but this ain't got nothing to do with that, though. I'm saying I just can't be at something like that. You know what I'm saying?

1:08:35Shannon Sharpe:It's going to send the wrong message. My probation officer is going to get me. What message? This message is about living life. This message is about turning up. This message is about having fun. It's about freedom. The rest of 25, not 26, I'm going to get back out there, but it needs to be, you know, Ocho, come on. Work with me, Ocho. Work with me. I'm working with you. That's why I be going to the NBA Young Boy concert. I can't do that. This is what you need. You need to be, uh, uh, uh, uh. Let's go. You can come up out your shirt. Then you can have the lab green bandana. Oh, no. Man, look here.

1:09:18Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, yeah. I'm with you, man. I was going to go. Hey, I got to sit this one out, Ocho. It's too late. I already got the charter. I already got the tickets. Ocho. I already got the tickets. I need to go somewhere. Let me go to a John Legend. Let me go to Anthony Hamilton. Let me get. Nah, nah. Maybe I could do like a Dre or Chris Brown. I can't do no Young Boy. I'm gonna tell you like this. Either you go to the Young Boy concert with me, I'm gonna beat you up. Now you got two choices. You get your ass whooped. I think that's what I'm gonna have to take. I'm about to take that one. Ocho, man, you, Ocho, man, you know right, Ocho, you know your boy right now, I gotta, you know.

1:10:01hey i'm telling you when you hey listen when you get in that atmosphere at that concert i'm telling you you're gonna feel like damn i ain't felt like this in a long time you just you just you get loose man just

1:10:16and then hold on we're gonna be in it listen we're gonna be in the crowd and we're gonna be

1:10:19Shannon Sharpe:standing on our chairs and stuff going crazy i'm gonna have to say i'm gonna have to say that Hey, I got y 'all. I'm back at 26. I'm back at 26. Follow 26. I done already told NBA young boy we coming, man. Hey, Ocho, you know my motto. Follow 26. I'm a dark-skinned slave. I'm outside. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? I'm outside, you know. That's where I'm at. Give me 26. 26. Hey, come on, Dye. Work with me. Chad, tell him to work with me, man. Damn. I'm working with you. I just spent 12 ,000 on these on these tickets right in the front man. Don't do that I got your chart. I got you two security.

1:11:01So nobody can nobody bother you

1:11:06Shannon Sharpe:Oh, it's just not a good look for me right now. You know what I'm saying? It's a good look Yeah, as a matter of fact, Ocho and a matter of fact The first the first big function I want people to see me and I want to be coming out of church Maybe I go to the Parter House in Dallas. Maybe I come out of a... Nah, hey, well... Maybe they need to see... Chad, y 'all need to see me come out of church. You know what? That's what I'm doing. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Hey, one thing about it, we ain't going that route. We ain't going that route. We not going that route, acting like, you know, we reverend... We reverend, uh, Al Sharpton and all that shit.

1:11:38Yeah, that's what I gotta be. That's what they gotta do. Nah, nah, nah, nah. We gotta turn up. We gotta stay... We gotta stay true to ourself. Nah, nah, nah.

1:11:45Shannon Sharpe:I can't be that no more, Joe. I gotta change. Stay with me real quick. stay with me real quick I'm changing my life Chad I'm changing I'm new stay with me real quick it's okay to be new but don't forget where you came from we come from times like that and at some times you got to revisit where you come from I gotta go back to church Ocho I lost my way

1:12:11Shannon Sharpe:I lost my way I gotta go back to church Chad I know y 'all understand I know y 'all listen to Unc. Y 'all want Unc to do something, or do something, but that Unc, I had to put him up. I had to put him on the shelf. Hey, listen, that Unc you trying to put on the shelf is what made us who we are. I know, Ochoa, but - We can't lose that dynamic. Gotta reinvent myself. If we lose that dynamic, then that doesn't make us who we are. We can't lose that aspect of what makes us us. So you can't go to Kirk Franklin, route. That ain't nobody wanna hear that. hey as a matter of fact ocho hey don't be surprised when y 'all see me in the airport i'm carrying my bible i'm just saying i'm just saying that that's where i'm at i'm just saying that's where i'm at

1:13:03Shannon Sharpe:i'm carrying my bible ocho i'm changed listen i'm all for i'm all for change matter of fact i told jordan to come pick me up jordan be going to church i told jordan swing by and scoop your cup. Hey, I'm telling you, that ain't it, huh? That ain't it. Listen, I'm with you when you're right, but there's certain things you have to still remain yourself. You can backslide. You can backslide. God forgave you already. God forgave you already. Whatever's for you is for you. You didn't got to do all that extra stuff. I just need to carry the Bible. Just for a little while, Ocho. But I'll tell you what.

1:13:40You get the Bible. You got the Old Testament and the New Testament.

1:13:43Shannon Sharpe:I got the Bible, King James Version Okay Both Bibles have both testaments I ain't never seen a Bible with just one testament I got you Bring your King James Version Bible October 13th To the concert, Reimbe, young boy I tell you that Listen, I'm going to give you a scripture One did I go off of Philippians Philippians 2 verse 27 for thou hath not tried to live perfect thou shalt backslide at some point in life but you must stay authentic to thyself because no man is perfect so I'll see you October 13th you see I got my thing I'm coming most gracious and holy heavenly father I come to thee in the most humble way I know how bow head humble heart on bent knee realizing that you god oh god lord of lords kings of kings oh i'm done don't show your boy out your boy out i already got that stacy adams i'm down on one knee

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