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14:25Ernest Jones IV:Yep.

14:26Shannon Sharpe:so it's gonna it's gonna be interesting to see what what uh uh uh what comes what comes of this i don't know what's gonna come of this but it just goes to show you that there is some concern uh from the pa standpoint because these are some of some big names on show these ain't just you know willy-nilly players and uh we'll see like you said i i i just believe that uh the owners like man look here for the world cup to put the to put us you know in the the the the influx of money that's going to be brought into the the community economy hey um you understand how big well you yeah i do yes why you why you think everybody in america everybody

15:14Ernest Jones IV:and their mama tried to bid on it hey hell i think atlanta got i think atlanta got something

15:19Shannon Sharpe:going on there. Mercedes Benz don't.

15:22Ernest Jones IV:Atlanta, Miami, LA, Mexico, Kansas City. Canada. Kansas City. God, dog. It's a few more. I'm going to be at all of them. I'm going to be at all of them. I'm excited.

15:40Shannon Sharpe:You going?

15:41Ernest Jones IV:Remember I worked with Fox?

15:44Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. I was at there for a whole month.

15:48Ernest Jones IV:so I'm doing the same thing again I can't wait

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18:12It's that, and then there's everything else. He would just shout one line and it would murder. Marie! Lunch! Bill Burr. Let's talk about the best moments that we had on the road. I would love a cocktail. Dude, Joe could get last row middle seat on a Southwest Airlines flight. Joe, how was your flight? It was great. The guy on Penn State moving on the field. And the player thought Joe was his former coach. And he hugged him. He hugged him and Joe just went with it. And the guy goes, what are you doing here, coach? And Joe just goes, man. And you walk in and it is bananas. I mean, it's a feast for the eyes.

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20:01Shannon Sharpe:I can't wait. You can't wait for what? So what do you think? You think they're going to switch the turf or they're going to leave it as is?

20:11Ernest Jones IV:Probably leave it as is because it's too much work. It's too much work on their end, and it's the kind of work they're going to cost more.

20:21Shannon Sharpe:They're trying to cut costs.

20:23Ernest Jones IV:Yeah, my point exactly.

20:28Shannon Sharpe:It's going to be interesting to see how this thing plays out because, like I said, look, they're studying it now um i don't know how much they studied when every i mean because they're before this field turf ocho you either had natural grass or you had artificial turf there was no field turf and then they like this field turf okay this field turf it's more it's more durable you don't have to care for it like you do regular grass it's it's durable so you can play multiple events on it you can have multiple things on it concerts. So you can have a concert on Saturday night or on Friday night and it'll be ready on Sunday.

21:08Ernest Jones IV:You know what I liked about the turf though?

21:11Shannon Sharpe:What did that?

21:12Ernest Jones IV:It didn't matter if it was raining. It didn't matter if it was cold. It didn't matter if it was hot. It didn't matter if there was snow on the ground. I was still able to run full speed and stop on the dime because it's not giving. It's not going nowhere. I could feel every step. I like that. Not that I have nothing wrong with grass, but I just like the fact that it's obviously the shoes I wore on was like a track spike with no cushion, no sole, no nothing. It was just the shell of a shoe and a shoelace. So just being able to feel, to me, I feel as much faster playing on that turf.

21:52Shannon Sharpe:I like grass, but you know, I mean, I like grass on your, but you know what? I didn't slip because I was a heavy planter. And I made sure, you know, I was always, I always, you know, a lot of times you start slipping when you start. I'm like, bro, there's a reason why you only got four spikes in the back and you got seven, eight in the front. So put your damn weight on the front of your, on the balls of your feet, not on your heels. That's why you slipping. Like, that should be common sense. Dumb, dumb.

22:19Ernest Jones IV:Yeah. Hey, and another reason I like it is I was so unorthodox and some of the stuff I did. I could be running the out route. You know, the out route, your out route is on your seven step, right? Yeah. Seven step with your outside foot. Mm-hmm. The out route and take an extra step because I can get the 12 so fast and run an out right off my left foot.

22:42Shannon Sharpe:So let me ask you a question. Did y 'all 10 roll to 12 or you 12 roll to 14?

22:46Ernest Jones IV:I would always go, I always go from, you're supposed to roll from 10 to 12.

22:51Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

22:51Ernest Jones IV:I would get the 12 because, you know, I can plant that one foot and just flip right away. You're planting on your inside foot? No, my right foot. Yeah. Listen, I'm talking about one motion.

23:03Shannon Sharpe:You're planting on your right foot if you're on the left side. You're planting on your left foot if you're on the right side.

23:07Ernest Jones IV:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can do it in one motion because if you got a good DB, I'm talking about a really good DB that says, you know what? I'm not moving. I'm not finna sit. I'm going to read the quarterback the first three steps and then I'm going to get my eyes back on you. and that roll, if you're rolling from 10 to 12, he's driving. And if the ball ain't perfect, he's going the other way. So I'm not going to give you no chance. I'm getting the 12, and I'm going to make sure you're getting up out of there.

23:33Shannon Sharpe:Are you going right down the middle, or are you trying to pick a shoulder?

23:37Ernest Jones IV:No, I'm staying right down the middle. I'm staying right down the middle. Yep. Because if I weave, a good dude is just going to weave right with you. He's just going to reset everything. So I don't want to give you no indication. and I want to just, I'm going to stay in a straight line, get you to open. If you open, boom, I'm snapping off.

23:54Shannon Sharpe:Right.

23:55Ernest Jones IV:You want to play ball.

23:58Shannon Sharpe:All right, without a minute. You got to get him out of that backpedal. Look, now they'll call it. If you run into the guy now, if he's standing there, don't want to move, you run into him, they're going to call it now. Right, right, right. Whereas before, they wouldn't call that because he's like, he's entitled to that ground also.

24:13Ernest Jones IV:Yep, he sure is.

24:16Shannon Sharpe:That's what it is. Well, he's entitled to that spot. and uh but you know i'm i'm i'm trying i'm trying to get him to open up also yeah i'm trying to get him to open but for the most part the last thing they want to do they don't want you to step on their toes oh they don't want you to step on their toes because they know if you step on their toes it's over for the nine ball it's a wrap it's over the nine ball hey and the last thing you want to do is hey and i'm you hey oh you know you gotta be you coming out like you did i'm like oh here He come to this nine ball, look at him running. Hey, I know.

24:50Shannon Sharpe:I ain't going to dig. I was playing. My bad. My bad. I ain't mean to dig that hard to get you to open up, but I had to get you out of that back parallel. I had to make you move because if he doesn't move on your – oh, he going to drive that.

25:05Ernest Jones IV:Driving on you.

25:06Shannon Sharpe:Oh, he driving that. And especially, it all depends on how tight you are because he knows if you're tight. the outbound? Oh, you want some space to run the out, huh? Uh-huh.

25:24Shannon Sharpe:Cleveland Browns have announced that their third round pick, Dylan Gabriel, will start Sunday against the Minnesota Vikings in London. When asked about Gabriel getting the starting job, it was literally, it literally left Shador speechless. Ocho, let's take a listen to this. Yeah, yeah, let me hear that thing.

25:49Vocally, anything to say?

25:55Ernest Jones IV:I guess you're talking about it. Just a little more. What do you think you have to show to coaches just to have that belief in you that you can be ready?

26:10Shannon Sharpe:What can you say?

26:16How much has Joe been important to both you and Dylan in terms of your guys' development to this point?

26:31Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, do you like the way Shadour handled this press conference?

26:34Ernest Jones IV:Absolutely. Absolutely. because whatever he says, they're going to twist his words. If you say nothing, you know, there's really – on any other team, there are 31 other – excuse me. There are 31 other teams. Do any of those media members talk to the third-string quarterback? No. It's controversy. Why create controversy? How do you not create it? When they ask you questions, just don't answer. Just don't answer. If anything, they should be talking to Joe Flacco. Why are you talking to Shadour? it makes no sense and I like the way he handled it because anything he does say they're going to make it a big deal they're going to twist his words they're going to take it completely out of context listen Dylan Gabriel's a starter so be it for me I mean it's being reported

27:23Shannon Sharpe:Adam Schefter reported and some other networks are starting to report that this was his response to Rex Ryan saying what he said on the Sunday show that keep your mouth closed move to the

27:34Ernest Jones IV:front of the class and x y and z okay i like that i like that i guess this was a situation where

27:40Shannon Sharpe:he's like okay i should keep my mouth shut i'm gonna keep my mouth shut it's hard for me to believe that the scenario that he didn't talk to his father um obviously he leans very heavily on his father rightfully so um his dad has been through things like this yeah uh uh where you know he says something and then it if he says something it's one thing if he doesn't say something it's another thing so he um he took this approach look he's not just any other quarterback any other third third string quarterback no you and I both know if he was any other quarterback and he slid down where he did we wouldn't be having if he was any normal fifth round pick we wouldn't even have this discussion yeah but he's not a fifth round pick so we shouldn't ask ask him to act like a fifth round pick because that's not what we believe He is.

28:29For me, look, if he had took the pro, say, look, I'm happy for Dylan.

28:38Shannon Sharpe:Hopefully he goes out there and plays well. Joe, I feel bad for Joe, but, you know, this is the game of football. This is a business, and, hey, I'm just, you know, I'm happy for Dylan, and my job doesn't change. Right. I go out there. I prepare. And if my number is called, I'm going to go out there and give it everything that I possibly got. that's really the only thing that he can say what's he supposed to say now it's a situation I'm not you know we had this conversation and everybody from Cleveland jumped on me I said guys what are we doing why is Joe Flacco here Joe Flacco was in Cleveland once before and they let him go he was in Indy and he wasn't let me get this straight he wasn't the answer the first time around in Cleveland he wasn't the answer in Indy he wasn't the answer at the Jets but now he's going to be the answer this time around.

29:29Shannon Sharpe:Joe Flacco hadn't been the answer since 2012 when he took the Ravens to the Super Bowl. That's it. Go ahead, Ocho.

29:36Ernest Jones IV:Nigga, I don't think he was the answer. It was more sure of the short-term answer until they're ready to see who's going to be quarterback number two. We find out who quarterback number two was, and it was only a matter of time. Same thing with Russell Wilson and Jackson Dart. Russell Wilson was the starter. He was a starter for a short time. Like you said, eight weeks or maybe after. I thought it would have been far beyond that. But obviously we see what happened. They made a change after week three. Same concept. I knew he wasn't going to be in there too long. And, I mean, listen, Dylan Gabriel is now the quarterback.

30:15Ernest Jones IV:I wish him luck. And we're going to see. To me, to be honest with you, I don't think he's the answer. I don't think he's the answer. and we're going to find out. Listen, this ain't the preseason. This ain't the preseason. And the defenses that you're going to see now are going to be a lot more different than we saw in the preseason. So if he can handle the pressure, one of the things I do like about Dylan Gabriel, is not only can he throw the ball, he showed that he can be efficient in the preseason, but he's also a dual threat. He can use his legs. Similar to Jackson Dart. I'm not saying Jackson Dart, but I'm just saying he had that dual threat capability and being able to extend plays and throw the ball.

30:58Shannon Sharpe:It's funny how we look at things. Now, Jameis Winston has a big personality. He's a third-string quarterback. Everybody would have laughed at Jameis had he did the exact same thing. Right. I mean, think about it, Ocho.

31:11Ernest Jones IV:Yeah.

31:12Shannon Sharpe:The funny things that he says and the mannerisms that he has. Yes. This is Jameis. Yeah, absolutely. But they have a problem with Shadour. I don't know how Shadour wins. If he says something, he shouldn't have said anything. If he doesn't say anything, he should have said something. Until he gets on the field and somebody can say either, see, I told you he could play or I told you he couldn't play, it's going to be a something, Ocho. That's just the nature of what it is.

31:41Ernest Jones IV:Absolutely. You know, it's totally unfortunate to, if it was any fifth-round pick, he wouldn't be talked about like this. No. Because this would come with that last name. Yeah, absolutely. This comes with the aura of being a Sanders. It is what it is. Obviously, I feel the Browns, an organization, Stefanski, obviously the owner himself came out and said, this wasn't my pick. This is not who I wanted. So the odds are stacked against him. The card that he dealt, he's going to have to do his best job at playing the hand that he has. When that opportunity comes, if it does come, you've got to come out.

32:12Ernest Jones IV:You've got to be prepared. You've got to be prepared. And when you get it, you've got to shut that door behind you.

32:18Shannon Sharpe:I get it. look, people say, well, Jameis proved himself. What? That he's a journeyman quarterback? He threw 30 picks? He was the last quarterback in the NFL since you got to go back to Testo Verde in the 80s. They threw 30 interceptions, so I'm trying to figure out what did he prove? Did he take Tampa to the Super Bowl? Because all I know, the team that he left, Tom Brady came in the next year, and they went to the Super Bowl. So I'm asking you guys, you said he proved. What did he prove? If he'd approved, guess where he'd have been, Ocho? Not to back up in New York.

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34:52It's that and then there's everything else. He would just shout one line and it would murder. Marie! Lunch! Bill Burr. Let's talk about the best moments that we had on the road. I would love a cocktail. Dude, Joe could get last row middle seat on a Southwest Airlines flight. Joe, how was your flight? It was great. The guy on Penn State moving on the field. And the player thought Joe was his former coach. And he hugged him. And he hugged him. And Joe just went with it. And the guy goes, what are you doing here, coach? And Joe just goes, man. And you walk in, and it is bananas. I mean, it's a feast for the eyes.

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37:12Shannon Sharpe:Where would he have been? Because where was he last year, Ocho? Cleveland. Cleveland, yeah. He was in New Orleans before that. Yeah. All I'm saying, I'm saying the personality matches. We can prove, prove. Okay, fine. I get your point. Where he started in the league, he was rookie of the year in the league. You're absolutely correct. but I there are a lot of guys that prove they can Joe Flacco proved that he could play in the league Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl he was a Super Bowl MVP go look at Joe Flacco playoff numbers I mean you would say that Joe Flacco would have proven more if you say improved than Jameis I was just saying the personalities when we like somebody Ocho we'll tolerate more of their behavior than if we don't see we like Jameis Jameis funny man Y 'all heard what Jame was saying?

38:05Shannon Sharpe:Jame was funny.

38:06Ernest Jones IV:Jame was going to have a career in media. Yeah, Jameis is one of one. Jameis is one of one. There isn't another personality like him. I think Shador doesn't have that kind of personality. I think people just don't like Shador based on the or what he comes with, the name, pops as well. Some of the things Deion may have said in the past, people that like Deion. So any ill will toward Deion and just overflowing onto a sun as well. For me, you ignore it, especially as Shador, you ignore it. You've been prepared for this moment. You've had the deal all your life. Now it's come to a head. You're at the last stop.

38:47Ernest Jones IV:You've reached the pinnacle. Your childhood dream of being on an NFL team, you're not the starter, but you have an opportunity to be the starter at some time if things don't go well. You just need to make sure you are prepared when the opportunity presents itself. And that's pretty much it. All the noise, block all that out, man. Block all that out. It's just unusual to see the starter get benched.

39:13Shannon Sharpe:And, well, I guess it's common because when Russ got benched, Jackson Dart came in to start and Russell went to the backup. Right. So I guess it's not unusual as we might think it is. You're like, well, hold on. Flacco got benched. should do it with already third shouldn't everybody just like move up a spot and the guy jumps back but that's seemingly not how they did it because uh brian dayball said that jackson dart will start the rest of the season and russ will serve as his backup and jamis stays where jamis is yeah and i don't i i guess it's common i don't i don't really know ocho uh but it seemed like this is the same thing.

39:58Shannon Sharpe:Joe Flacco lost his job. The guy that was backing up, Joe Flacco moves to the starter and Flacco moves to number two and the third quarterback stays exactly where he was.

40:09Ernest Jones IV:Yeah, absolutely.

40:10Shannon Sharpe:I think the thing is until Shadour gets on the field and proves or disproves what the coach is 50, I mean, want to play, he's too cocky, he's too this, he does this and he does that the mannerism until he's on the field right until he plays is the the chatter the noise is not gonna stop no it's not it's not are you muted me he ain't said nothing i can't hear him you can't hear me

40:49Ernest Jones IV:oh this me yeah that's you i'm talking to you can't hear me now hey can you see my muscles you see my muscles hey chat can you see my muscles yeah okay there you go you got me now yeah i got you go ahead that was me okay yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i can

41:13Shannon Sharpe:but they but it's it's a situation though cho people want to see him succeed or they want to see him field, but they want to see him on the field. Yeah. That's what it comes down to, Ocho. I want to see him on the field, and I want to see him sink or swim.

41:28Ernest Jones IV:Right. Yeah.

41:29Shannon Sharpe:That's what it comes down to, because all this talk, well, he shouldn't have been this, or he shouldn't have been that. Now, he's going to either prove a camp right, or he's going to be proven wrong. Right. But they want to say, okay, see, now that's why he's led to the fifth round. Man, I don't know how, y 'all see how he's playing? He should have never been in the sixth round. I mean the fifth round you don't know I'm sure he talked to his dad his dad like look son if it was me you handle it you're your own guy you're your own man but

42:03Shannon Sharpe:Rex said I don't know exactly how I don't want to misquote but I think he said something to the fact why are you talking because it's the same situation and here's where he's going to get beat up at if he doesn't go playing and he doesn't play well Ocho remember he said he can play better than some of the starting quarterbacks right now yeah that's what got LeBron in trouble with Bronny yeah Bronny was in high school or Bronny was in college and he Bron said Bronny is better than some NBA players currently right you put a huge target now I get it when you tell your son you know you believe in your son and you should believe in your son but when you put it out there like that Ocho man you're asking you're asking for a lot of criticism yeah should we be surprised that he's

42:51Ernest Jones IV:he was named starter no i mean he was the number two it shouldn't be a surprise at all it shouldn't be a surprise at all he was he listen mr fancy came out before the season started and said that dylan gabriel will be the number two quarterback i mean that's what it is that's what it is so we knew at whatever point things weren't going well for flacco dylan gabriel would be the next man up Now, if things don't go well with Dylan Gabriel, I don't know what's going to happen from that point on.

43:18Shannon Sharpe:See, that's where I was going next. Oh, you were. You're right, Ocho, because it was reported that Gabriel was getting first team reps along with Flacco at its earliest training camp. So he was getting first team reps, Flacco was getting first team reps, and who was the other quarterback? Damn. From the Steelers. Kenny Pickett. Yeah, Kenny Pickett. Yeah, Pickett. so those guys were getting first team reps Shadour wasn't getting those reps so I agree we shouldn't be surprised the question that I have for you if Gabriel struggles now what do we do do they go back to Flacco or do they give Shadour an opportunity

43:59Ernest Jones IV:you know what I'm not sure and knowing the game understanding the business and knowing how the business works I think they will probably go back to Flacco I think they will go back to Flacco and if things don't work out again and Flacco still not successful when he returns back to the field, then I think Shadour will get his shot somewhere on the back half of the season.

44:21Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, let me ask you a question. Talk to me. If you think Shadour knew what he knew now, you think he goes back to Colorado for his last year?

44:33Ernest Jones IV:If he knew what he knows now? If he knows what he knows now?

44:36Shannon Sharpe:Hindsight, yeah. Probably so. Probably so. I think so, too. I would think so. But there's no possible way. There's no possible way. Ocho, there's not a scenario that anybody thought, okay, let's just say, Ocho, he's not the first pick. He's not a top five. He's not a top ten. Let's just say, you know what, Ocho, because you and I having this conversation, let's just say that he's not a first-round pick. 32 players are going to be selected in the first round. Ain't no way he thought he'd be a fifth-round draft pick.

45:08Ernest Jones IV:No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. Not at all. And some people, listen, some people will say, well, he wasn't that good. He was mid. Listen, he can play the quarterback position. He can play the quarterback position. He does. He's not a dual threat. But what he lacks in his ability to run the ball, he makes up in other areas. He has other intangibles that makes him a quality quarterback where he should get an opportunity to start on an NFL team. and until he gets the opportunity to approve he can do just that, we're going to have to wait and see.

45:44Shannon Sharpe:He should apply for a hardship for COVID. See, I want to go back and play. You're right. I mean, there's really like no way to really know. I mean, hell, I didn't somebody would have told me I was going to be a seven-round draft pick. I said, you out your damn mind. Yeah. I was the number one rated one of the number one rated players below Division 1 so I'm like okay I ain't gonna go to the first round but somebody tell me I'm gonna be I'm not gonna be a top three round pick man please

46:24Ernest Jones IV:let me tell you something you've been around a long time I've been around long enough to understand that business and how that business works anything they don't like about you before you get there they will find a way to humble you. They will find a way to humble you. And when your opportunity does present itself, boy, you got to knock that goddamn door down and close it behind you. Because you're not going to get very many opportunities. Especially if they don't like you.

46:52Shannon Sharpe:I would have, yeah, I would have I agree with you, Ocho, because my brother used to tell me all the time, I said, man, you know, I'd be in training camp, Ocho, and I'd be like, man, I ain't get no ref today or I'll be in practice. You know, once I made a team, he said, don't worry about it. He said, one day, John Elway going to call on you. He say, just make sure when he call your number. Better be ready. Got to be ready. And I think the thing that really helped me, Ocho, is that he told me, he said, T, you can you can you could be good in this league. He said, there ain't a whole lot of hearing a whole lot of can do what you do now.

47:29Shannon Sharpe:he said just keep working you know just keep working hard i i don't know why that man took

47:33Ernest Jones IV:a liking to me i don't know joe i don't know why right but i mean for him and gary kubiak kubiak

47:39Shannon Sharpe:kub was the backup when i was in different when i first got there in 1991 hey kub used to pull me to the side now that's when you know somebody really take a liking to you yeah he pulled me to the side he say he would show me he's like hey now you're gonna be here on this this and this you know what you got? They're going to be in this coverage. You run this. You're going to be on that coverage. You run that. I'll be out there doing like I'm doing like, okay, good job. Good job, Sharp.

48:07Ernest Jones IV:Hey, you know what else? They'll be like,

48:11Shannon Sharpe:good job, Sharp. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. Get in your playbook. Man, cool. Told me everything.

48:19Ernest Jones IV:You know what else? When I think about it, when I think about some of the things Stefanski said, when I I think about some of the things the owner said. They baiting him too a little bit too. They baiting him. When you go to the Army, when you go to the Marines, when you go to the Navy, any of those places where it's a structured environment, what's the one thing they try to do to make sure to see if you're ready or you're worthy?

48:40Shannon Sharpe:They got to try to break you down.

48:41Ernest Jones IV:Trying to break you. They're trying to break him. He cannot break. You cannot fold. You cannot lash out. No, hell no. I don't come this far. Hell no. You can't do none of that. You got to stay the course. you got to stay the course and focus on the end goal and prepare for that opportunity because it's going to come yeah it's definitely going to come man ocho look i'm going to share

49:06Shannon Sharpe:this story with you i've only shared it one time and i shared it with um when i spoke at coach reed's funeral um i was the only his wife called me and asked would i speak now you got to realize all the people that he played with he coached reese played in the league he played on the coach landry all the coaches he coached he was officer coordinator with the cowboys yeah he was the head coach of the broncos he was the head coach of the giants he was the head coach of the uh the falcons he asked me to she asked me to speak i didn't know until like she told me but um she's like shannon it would be a huge honor if you were to speak it at dan i was like i'm like are you sure i'd like she's like i'm sure she said shannon you was always his favorite he said you worked so hard he'd say he saw how you came in and what you worked and turned yourself into he was just so proud so I'm sure he would be honored if you spoke Ocho every Sunday coach Reeves would ask seven or eight of us what we had on a certain plate God on his truth every time he would call on me he would already had saw me he would tell me he step out in the hall.

50:30Shannon Sharpe:He would tell me, I'm going to ask you this. Right. This is what you need to say. Right. Say it like this. And I'm like, why he, he ain't doing that for nobody else. Right. He's not. That's why it hurt me so bad, Ocho, when he got fired. I said, had I became, because he got fired the year I made my first Pro Bowl. I led the team in receiving. It hurt me so bad. I said, if I had only become what I later became in 93 through 98, ain't no way Coach Reeves got fired. So that's why it hurt me because he invested so much in me. He believed in me. He did. He draft me. Somehow he lost his damn mind and forgot to cut me.

51:23Shannon Sharpe:And for him, John and Coob and Coach Reed that take that kind of time, I promise you, I don't know you, don't quote me on this. It's hard for me to believe that a head coach is taking that kind of interest in a seventh round draft pick in today's game. It's hard for me to believe John Elway, the number one pick in the 1983 draft. He was a pro bowler. He was an all pro. He was an MVP. had gone to three Super Bowls. Yeah. It's taking that kind of liking in a seventh-round draft pick. Yeah. Gary Kubiak, who was the backup, is taking that kind of liking. Ocho, I ain't have no choice. Yeah. It's like my grandmother, when she took my mom's three in after raising hers, I ain't have no choice, Ocho.

52:08Shannon Sharpe:How could I let these people down that had invested so much in me, that believed in me? How? I couldn't. Right. Man, I got in a playbook. Hey, every night I'm going home. I said, I'm going to know everything. It became second nature. I knew what I had to do. Check this out, Ocho. The tight end is normally Y.

52:38Shannon Sharpe:In Dan's offense, he's X. The X. Yes, because Coach Landry was a defensive coordinator.

52:48Ernest Jones IV:Uh huh.

52:49Shannon Sharpe:So everything is backwards. One, three, five is to the right. Two, four, six, eight is to the left. Yeah, OK. Yes. So if it's backwards, that's not Z. That's a wing.

53:04Shannon Sharpe:OK, why?

53:09Shannon Sharpe:Wing three, why dig? Tied in is the X. Ocho, tight end been wise whole life. 2468 been to the right your whole life. 1357 is to the left. Ocho. Now you got verbiage. Ocho, I came from the route tree. Yeah. 654. Same. 737. Same. Man, what you mean? 52 double slanty and special. Huh? What I got? 52. I ain't never heard nothing like that. Right. Oh, man. Jeez. My mind was spinning. Aught him. Aught him some good days, boy. Ocho, I just want to know, what is it going to take? What do you believe it will take for Shadour to get an opportunity to start this season? Because if he doesn't start this season, Ocho, the whole purpose of him not going to Baltimore, and it's reported that there are another team, the Eagles, also thought about selecting him.

54:15Shannon Sharpe:He said, no, I don't want to play behind Hurts. I don't want to. It wasn't that he didn't want to play behind guys like that. But you're talking about a guy like Jalen Hurts is very doable. He doesn't miss time. Lamar.

54:27Ernest Jones IV:You're not seeing the field, huh? You're not seeing the field at the new places. You just want the opportunity to play.

54:33Shannon Sharpe:What happens if he doesn't see the field this year for Cleveland?

54:39Ernest Jones IV:Hey, that's one I don't know. I'm not understanding. But if he doesn't see the field this year for Cleveland, being that they have shortcomings with Flacco and they have shortcomings with Dylan Gabriel, then that's malpractice on ownership. It might come to a point where you have no choice but to put him in there. Because not only are the team going to call for him, the fans and the media going to call for him as well.

55:05Shannon Sharpe:I definitely think the fans are going to be calling for him if Gabriel doesn't play well. I mean, look, just don't turn the ball over. Just keep the defense off the field for 35, 40 minutes. I'm not asking you to be a world beater, but if you can score enough and keep the defense off the field where they're not playing 35, 40 minutes, you're going to have a chance. You're going to have a chance. The defense is plenty good enough, but not if you wear them down.

55:36Ernest Jones IV:Yeah.

55:39Shannon Sharpe:So we'll see.

55:45Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, Dylan Gabriel made an interesting comment yesterday when talking about becoming Brown's new QB1. Let's take a listen to what Gabriel had to say. I smile because it's like a moment you prep for and you are extremely excited for, but also got to realize that it's extreme focus. And that's what I've continued to harp on. But you wait for the perfect time, you know, you're going to wait a whole lifetime. So for me, I'm just, I've always been ready for every moment. Wait for the perfect time. You'll be waiting a lifetime.

56:20Ernest Jones IV:I like that. Because when you do get your moments and your opportunities, sometimes the ideal situation is never perfect. It's never perfect. The ideal situation that you envision in your head to get the opportunity is never going to be how you envision it. And that's exactly what it is. Sometimes there are adversity. Sometimes there are obstacles that you have to climb to get said opportunities.

56:50And for him, it hasn't been perfect. Hey, man, my light just went out.

56:57Shannon Sharpe:I don't think he was talking about him waiting a lifetime. The reports didn't come out that he's told a team not to draft him. I don't

57:06Ernest Jones IV:I don't coincide with what he said and having to do anything with 12 yeah no it's hard to even no not even close not even close not even close that would be almost be reaching a little bit to me no

57:29Shannon Sharpe:so but I'm trying to figure out how you feel Why would he say if you wait for the perfect time, you have to wait a lifetime?

57:36Ernest Jones IV:Well, come on. I'm just asking. We can't. That's his words. That's what he came up with. That might be a saying. I don't know. I don't know. But I still don't coincide with what he's saying and having to do anything.

57:52Shannon Sharpe:It's your door. Look, is it ever going to be perfect, Ocho? I mean, all things being equal, you'd like for the Dolphins to draft you. All they be like, man, let me go home. I want to play for the Dolphins, or I want to go play with somebody that got a quarterback, yada, yada, yada. But look, and I get it, quarterbacks are different because normally you get a quarterback and he's good. He's going to be there for a period of time. And you got to wait and hope everything happens. I mean, let me ask you a question. Ideally, do you think Tom Brady had given the choice, wanted to go to New England after they had just given Drew Bledsoe, the highest paid quarterback in the NFL.

58:33Shannon Sharpe:He had just signed a six-year$100 million deal.

58:36Ernest Jones IV:$100 million deal, yeah.

58:36Shannon Sharpe:You think that was the ideal situation for Tom Brady?

58:39Ernest Jones IV:Absolutely not. What happened? He got hurt. Drew got hurt. Drew got hurt. And guess what happened? It wasn't an ideal situation, and it wasn't perfect. He made it ideal. Bingo. And the same thing. Joe Flacco's not playing well. Not the ideal situation, because maybe the ideal situation is I drafted in the third round and I beat Joe Flacco out in training camp and I'm the starter week one. That's the ideal perfect situation.

59:12Shannon Sharpe:I don't believe they're going to let anybody. Look, it's been reported they wanted Kenny Pickett to win the job and Gabriel will be second, Shadour will be third. I don't ever think there was going to be a situation, Ocho, that a rookie was going to beat Joe Flacco out. I don't.

59:27Ernest Jones IV:No, I didn't either based on Flacco. I didn't either. But again, the way to go on who you start with is you start with the veteran who has experience. And when the bottom falls out, then you make a change. The bottom fell out, they made a change.

59:43Shannon Sharpe:Right. Man. I could have told him the bottom was going to fall out. Yeah, at some point. The bucket was rusty anyway. You talking about the bottom fell out, hell, the bucket rusty. What the hell you think was going to happen to the bottom? Look, at the end of the day, Shadour needed to make the best decision for him. You might not agree with what he did. He should just be happy that somebody was going to take him. X, Y, and Z. I get it, Ocho. I get all. I do. I honestly get all of that. Because normally when we come out, Ocho, we just happen to get drafted. Really, I am. I didn't care about it.

1:00:17Shannon Sharpe:Man, really. The Bengals, the Patriots, the Colts, anybody could have drafted me. I got drafted to the NFL. That was the start of the journey.

1:00:25Ernest Jones IV:Yeah. Yeah.

1:00:26Shannon Sharpe:I mean, sometimes people get drafted, don't you? They say, oh, yeah. No, bro, your journey just started. You ain't never been to the NFL. I don't know if your – my dream was not to just get – was not to be drafted. My dream was to get to the NFL and play.

1:00:40Ernest Jones IV:Right.

1:00:41Shannon Sharpe:Being drafted is just half the process.

1:00:43Ernest Jones IV:Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Also, you have to think. Now, let's use a little – Let's go back. Go ahead. My chances, if I'm Shadour, I don't want to go to Baltimore. you ain't finna see the field. You're not seeing the field for the next 10, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, the next 10, 11 years.

1:01:05Shannon Sharpe:It's gonna be a Mar Jackson show. I know a guy that went to New England when Tom Brady was at his apex named Jimmy Garoppolo. Played a few games, played good enough, and then what happened? Tell the people at home that don't know that wasn't around when Jimmy Garoppolo got drafted to the New England Patriots and Tom Brady got suspended because we never know. because there's only been one omnipotent one. Yeah. The all-knowing. Yes. Tell the people at home what happened. Jimmy Garoppolo got drafted to the New England Patriots. There's an unforeseen that we could not have possibly known. Right. Tell the people, I want you to take the story over from there.

1:01:42Shannon Sharpe:Hold on, I forgot the story. You got to bring me up to speed. Jimmy Garoppolo gets drafted to the New England Patriots. Yes. Tom Brady gets suspended for four games. Jimmy Garoppolo played well enough to say, guess what happened, Ocho? The 49ers traded a second-round pick to get Jimmy G. Now, Lamar Jackson is hurt. If Shadour Sanders is there, guess who's going to get in the game right now, Ocho? Shadour Sanders? If you play well enough, because you know you're not going to keep the job from Lamar Jackson. You play well enough, guess what happens, Ocho? Tell the people I know what could possibly happen.

1:02:19Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, he could probably get traded. Somebody willing to give up picks for him. and you get you get to a situation that you always wanted because go ahead or

1:02:34Ernest Jones IV:the cars that you were dealt i'm gonna take my chances going somewhere else i'm gonna take my chances going let me stay with me now go ahead i'm gonna take my chances going somewhere else where the odds are stacked against me those obstacles and those hurdles that adversity that I've always had to overcome in life, I'm going to do it the hard way. I got to wait and wait my turn.

1:03:01Shannon Sharpe:Because he's going to get his opportunity on him. Guess what else is stacked against you? What's that? The talent in Cleveland versus the talent in Baltimore. Yeah. Because when Jimmy Garoppolo went to New England, guess who he was throwing to? Danny Amendola. Guess who else? Julian Edelman. Guess who else? Rob Gronkowski. guess who he would be handing the ball off to Derrick Henry guess who he'd be throwing to Mark Andrews guess who else Rashad Bateman guess who else Dave Flowers Dave Flowers oh now let me ask you another question who would you rather be throwing the ball to the guys in Cleveland or the guys in Baltimore who would you rather hand the ball off to Derrick Henry or the guy in Cleveland I'm just asking I don't know I mean you might like I hear you.

1:03:45Ernest Jones IV:I hear you. It sounds good. That would be the ideal situation. But what did Dylan Gabriel just say? I don't have the ideal situation. The situation I'm in was not perfect. But when the opportunity.

1:04:00Shannon Sharpe:Hold on. Hold on. Can we rewrite that and play that again? Can we rewrite? I smile because it's like a moment you prep for and you are extremely excited for. But also got to realize that it's extreme focus. and that's what I've continued to harp on. But you wait for the perfect time, you know, you're going to wait a whole lifetime. So for me, I'm just, I've always been ready for every moment.

1:04:24Ernest Jones IV:If you wait for the perfect time. So I'm Shadur and I'm in Baltimore. So I'm waiting on Lamar to get hurt because that's the first.

1:04:32Shannon Sharpe:What you waiting for in Cleveland? You waiting for Joe Flacco to mess up?

1:04:37Ernest Jones IV:So either way, whichever place you go to, you're still waiting on the perfect time. You're still waiting on the ideal situation where you can get in there and do what you do. Regardless of what's surrounding you, you still got to do what you got to do. Right. When you get in there. For one, you know what's funny? What? Is you can't focus on what's around you. You can only focus on what you need to do. Right. You got to do what you need to do. Regardless of whether you have a great supporting cast or not. Whether I got Derrick Henry or not. Whether I got Dave Flowers or I got goddamn Derrick Henry in the background.

1:05:08Ernest Jones IV:I got to do what I got to do and hand the ball off to Junkins. Junkins, right? Junkins. Junkins, yeah. Junkins. I got to get the ball to Jerry Judy. I got to get the ball to Unjuku. Whatever I got to work with, that hand I got, when you play blackjack, they give you a hand. I'm trying to beat the dealer. That's it. I got to work with what I got.

1:05:32Shannon Sharpe:I guess I got, man, you gave me 14, I guess. What you got? You got a nine. I got to hit it.

1:05:45Ernest Jones IV:That's the beautiful thing about life, though, hon. It is. That's the thing about life. We all envision getting the perfect hand. But sometimes the car that God deals us, they ain't perfect.

1:05:58Shannon Sharpe:He ain't going to give us 21 every time. No, and sometimes you might have 21 and the dealer got 21. And you'll be like, and you didn't take no insurance out. it's a push oh yeah I got 20 and then he flip over blackjack ooh so you're right there are no look there are no perfect scenarios we make whatever it is we make the best out because there have been times hey you got 8 you got 10 you get 3 you get a 5 you get another 3 21 like damn I don't know how I don't know how I made that hand.

1:06:37Ernest Jones IV:Yeah.

1:06:39Shannon Sharpe:And that's what Shadour's going to have to do. Okay, he's going to have to wait a couple more weeks because Dylan Gabriel is in there now. And they're going to give him, you know, three to five weeks.

1:06:51Ernest Jones IV:Yeah, I hope he does well.

1:06:54Shannon Sharpe:I do too. Look, I can't wish bad on Joe. I've been in that situation, don't you? I was the third. Hold on. Clarence K, Orson Berger. I was the fourth a tight end, Ocho. Guys, hey. Fourth. Every tight end on the roster got hurt. Hold on. You was fourth? Fourth. First of all, I was the fifth receiver. So that's why I was the fifth receiver. Yes. Hey, you were sorry. Hey, I was a special team, man. I was a special team, Ocho. That was my job. Now, hey. Give them a good look at practice. Right. Special team, go down there and do what I need to do. how everybody and all the tight ends get hurt. I'm the biggest wide receiver.

1:07:43Shannon Sharpe:At that point in time, Ocho, I'm already down. I came in, I weighed 221. By that time, I'm like 212. What wide receiver you know, Ocho, can go play even in today's game when they don't really block like that at 212?

1:07:58Ernest Jones IV:That's very undersized. When I came in, I was 212.

1:08:05Shannon Sharpe:so it was a situation like and when Dan they send for me to come talk to Dan I think I'm going to get cut and coach calls you they say hey Dan want to see you in his office and you just had a meeting I'm going to tell what I'm going to tell Libby what I'm going to tell Spanky damn everything going through my head yeah I know them ends are back home going to be yeah I told you I knew it wasn't going to last long damn

1:08:34Shannon Sharpe:He could tell I was nervous, Ochoa. I said, man, coach, hey, Sheldon, come on in. No, I'm good. I can hear you out here.

1:08:50Shannon Sharpe:Hey. He said, what do you think about switching positions? We can think about moving you to tight end. I said okay he said I said you gonna throw me the ball he's like yeah you know you gotta learn the plays but yeah we'll get you the ball I said okay man Ocho my heart Ocho my heart was beating so fast

1:09:17Ernest Jones IV:yeah

1:09:19Shannon Sharpe:so hey now I ain't into wide receiver meeting no more Ocho with the tight ends tight ends yeah and just And just like that, halfway through the season, boom. Exit interview, Ocho. We were 5-11 that year. He said, hey, Coach Reed, tell me I go to his office. He said, you did really good. But, hey, need you to get a little stronger, put a little weight on.

1:09:46Ernest Jones IV:Yeah.

1:09:46Shannon Sharpe:Hey, we think you could be really good. We think you could be really good. He's like, man. I said, okay.

1:09:55Shannon Sharpe:Bad. Ocho, bad. I hit the weight. man so that's what hey Chador I don't know when this opportunity is going to present itself but when it presents itself and I'm sure your father has told you this when the opportunity presents itself

1:10:17Shannon Sharpe:sometimes when opportunity presents itself Ocho grumblers complain about the noise don't worry about it seize the moment bro what that was you said Opportunity when it knocks Grumbler complains about the noise Hold on That's opportunity Don't worry about it Hold on You a Sanders Realize that Hang your hat on that All else fails Go back Who am I? What am I? How did I become this? Where did I come from? Hey boy that was a good one there boy

1:10:51Ernest Jones IV:When opportunity presents itself Grumbler's When opportunity knocks Oh yeah Knock, knock, knock, knock, knock. Man, who that knock on my door?

1:11:00Shannon Sharpe:What you want? That was an opportunity. Knock it. You complaining about the noise.

1:11:06Ernest Jones IV:Mmm. Ooh, that's tough. Hey, that's like a battle rap bar right there. Mm-hmm. I'm gonna use that. I'm gonna use that. Yeah.

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