BEST OF NFL Preseason Week 2 Part 1: Dillon Gabriel throwing SHADE?! + Giants QB room

25:16You know, I mean, if you're going to say something, you know, if there's no address on it, it don't have no destination. If there's no address on it, it doesn't have a destination. So I'm not throwing no hints and doing no riddles. This ain't, you know, Dr. Seuss or Cat in the Hat. How about this here? Come on, talk to me. Coming out, how many front office people you think said exactly what Dylan Gabriel said? He's more into entertainment and doing all this and all those antics than competing. Okay. Listen, I'm picking up what you're putting down now. Now you're making a little sense to me. I don't know what you're putting down.

26:03I don't like that because that's a part of the game. Right. It's always been a part of the game. Right. It's never been a part of the game at that specific position, though. Correct. Beagle, at that specific position, it's frowned upon. They normally button up. Always. Always. Because when you pick that position and you pay them the kind of money you pay them, not only you're representing the shield you represent the team and the organization as well you are the face of a franchise yes decade more right i understand i'm not okay i'm with you now i'm with you i'm with um you look at his dad yes he was the ultimate entertainer yes but was one of the most one of the fiercest competitors he believed that you know what prime time that's what you paid to see.

26:54You paid me to see all the antics that, you know, hey, get it up. You know, he dancing before they punt him or kick the ball to him. He got the ball up behind. He got his hand behind his head. I got to entertain y 'all. It ain't good enough for me to just get a pick. It ain't good enough for just... No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. That's not enough. You can get... Anybody can do that. I want to be outgoing. I want to be braggadocious. I want you to know who and what I am. Talk to me now. That sounds familiar, don't it? Yeah. The stats, week one, Shadour was 14 of 23, 157, two touchdowns.

27:34Dylan Gabriel was 13 of 18, 144. Oh, total yards, total yards, okay. 157 total yards, 144 for Gabriel. Shadour had two touchdowns, no turnovers. And Dylan Gabriel had no touchdowns. and two turnovers. He had a pick and a fumble. Look, I thought he played, like you said, I thought he played a good game with the exception of the turnover, that bad interception. In the beginning. But you know the thing I noticed? Talk to me. The first thing I said, I said, damn, he tiny. Oh, yeah, he's small. He's small. I'm like, oh, my goodness. Like, maybe Baker height? No, hell no. He wish you, man, bad, huh?

28:17They listed him at 5 '11". 5 '10 and a quarter. It would be like Bryce Young then, too. Bryce Young. Yes. Yeah, he'd be about the same. So, obviously, the fans, in the way that they would run a completely different offense if they had Dylan Gabriel starting as opposed to Shador. Yeah, you got to roll him out because he's small. You need to put him outside so he can see clean pockets. Yes. You got to roll the pocket. You got to roll the pocket. Or, boom, have him in the goddamn gun all the time. Yeah. One or the other. But if Baker Mayfield could be successful doing it, obviously of the weaponry around him, I mean, too, he should be able to succeed as well.

28:55Yeah, Baker, man, I don't think people give Baker enough credit. Baker is a really good thrower of the football. You don't win the Heisman Trophy like he did, get that team to the college football playoff, and now that he's in a system and now he's with coaches that allows him to be Baker. He's been to Pro Bowls. Baker is a better thrower of the football than I think we give him credit for or we gave him credit for, especially now that he's in a system and he's with coaches that believe in him and will allow him to be himself. We'll see. Look, Dylan Gabriel did throw for a ton of yards. I will not take that away from him.

29:36Over 16 ,000 yards. I mean, hell, he played six years, so he's, I mean, damn. I'm like you, Ocho, like, damn, six years? So how old is he? If he plays six years, he got to be like 24 already? I didn't know that was possible. No, oh, yeah, no. He's 24, Ocho. I was 21. I turned 22 after I got drafted. So he already, I mean, so, hell, he Bryce Young age. He might be older than Bryce. Yeah, he Bryce Young age. He's got to be Bryce Young's age.

30:18Damn. That's funny. That's funny. Like, I'm baffled. I'm appalled. Hold on. Let me see what you baffled. Are you baffled that he played six years and he's 24? Or are you baffled that the chat believes, along with that I believe, that he was throwing shade or taking a shot at Shador? Yeah. All of the above or some of the above? All of the above. Because honestly, I think y 'all giving a motherfucker – Y 'all giving somebody too much credit. You giving too much credit. Too much credit to say I'm going to be brash enough to sit here and talk about someone that is on my team and take a shot and not – and then, you know, that's giving him too much credit as if he's a mastermind and media savvy and knowing how to – That's the point.

31:05He didn't think about it. He didn't think clearly enough. sometimes sometimes we have to be careful of what we say around others because guess what we get on here or we get on TV and then something that we talking about in the barbershop or we talking about it'll come out because sometimes you forget where you are yeah I think listen young bull he played well he played good outside of the interception for six and the fumble in which it wasn't his fault on the fumble because the guy, I'm looking at the replay, I'm trying to figure out why the running back ain't got his goddamn, man, open your arm.

31:42What is you doing? And he looking straight ahead instead of, you know, come on, man, tighten up, man. But outside of that, listen, hey, who they play next week? Who do Browns play? It's the last game. Oh, man, who you telling? You ain't got to tell me twice. I heard you before. And they normally play on, they're probably going to play on Thursday, right? They play Saturday? Play Saturday against the Rams. Hey, man, listen. All hands on deck. All hands on deck. I'm not sure what they're going to do. I'm not sure what they're going to do. I'm excited. I'm excited because I love a healthy competition.

32:26Oh, yeah, for sure. I love a healthy competition. I don't believe they're keeping all these quarterbacks. I don't, Ocho. I don't. Well, hey, listen. I mean, the Saints, never mind. I ain't going to do that. I ain't going to be rude. I'm not going to be rude. I'm not going to be rude. Do you believe they're going to keep all these quarterbacks? Honestly, I'm going to be honest with you. You played the game a very long time. I played the game a very long time. I can't remember a scenario where there were four quarterbacks on the team. Exactly. I can remember every scenario. There was always three.

33:05always three. So if there was an odd man out to me thinking, ugh. You think it's picket. Yes. If there was going to be one. And that's simply maybe because of the injury right now and not being able to showcase, not being able to showcase much, you know, and there's no disrespect to Kenny, you know, you had opportunity at Pittsburgh, obviously in Philly, there's no, there's no way you're going to start in front of Jalen Hurts. But I mean, why would they, why would they not keep it? Yes, baby. Yeah. I agree. I think. Wait till the food comes for your food, your chicken nuggets. Okay. Four quarterbacks.

33:46New England kept four quarterbacks in 2000, but it's a different time now. Right. Coach Belichick said he was worried that if he released Tom, somebody was going to sign him. Yes. And that's exactly what would have happened. And you would have to sign him to the active, they would sign him to the active roster. So he didn't want to run that risk. so they stashed four quarterbacks.

34:09But I agree with you in this situation, the way it's currently constructed, I don't see a scenario where you keep four active quarterbacks. Now, you might have two quarterbacks and one of the practice squad guy, and then, for the sake of argument, somebody get Nick, you might bring him up, you might elevate him. Yeah. But to have four active quarterbacks, No. And that means you're going to probably have to go without a wide receiver or a swing offensive lineman or a rotational defensive lineman or a cornerback. And those guys are guys that can play special teams. Those are the guys that can play the punt, punt return, kick, kick return.

34:50Your quarterback's not doing that. Right. And so basically if you keep that many positions, he's only playing one position. where the other guys that I mentioned, the other positions, can play two positions. Yeah. So, because normally you're a guy that can play the guard, he can play the tackle if need be. He can play the D tackle, he can play the D end, but he can also be on field goal, field goal block, things of that nature. Well, hell, hold on. We talking about we don't know who they're going to take. Hell, let's play goddamn devil's advocate then. Let's play devil's advocate. Has the more to say what he got to say?

35:27Andrew Barry knows that he's a genius in being able to get Shadour in the fifth round. Yeah. You Stefanski. Who you want? Whoever Haslam won't.

35:45Damn. You for real? Yeah. Wait. Let me ask you a question. As a head coach. As a head coach. You're going to choose just because of whatever personal vendetta hazard may have to say some of the things he said. You're going to put your job on the line for somebody you know isn't better than the person that he doesn't want. If that man said, let me ask you a question. When you got your, did you ever get, did you ever get a physical copy of your check or was your money always direct deposit? Direct deposit, but I got the, I went upstairs and always got. I'll tell you what, when you went to OTAs and you got those, with those deposited, because last I checked, When I got my check, it always said the Denver Broncos Football Club.

36:27Right. And that thing to the left, it said Pat D. Bowling. Okay. That thing said the Cleveland Browns Football Club. Right. Jimmy, probably Jimmy, and D. Haslam. Now, you want to ask me that again? Which one do I want? I got you. Okay. I got you. I got you. Okay. The fact that I sat here and forgot the person that said what he said in the position of power that they were in. My bad. You're right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But again, maybe that's the problem. You know, can I can ask you a question? Yeah. My lack of knowledge and no Mr. Haslam like that. How long has he been? He brought it from the learners.

37:15I think he brought it from. he's been there probably what 15 years Ash? I think he's on the Browns for about 15 years he's on it for a minute so he's been there 15 years at least at bare minimum 15 years later they're still looking for a what? QB okay but we're supposed to take it okay don't worry about it you're right 13 years so he's been there since 2012 okay from the Lerner family right? Yeah. Well, we're supposed to take his word. Okay. Well, Joe, I mean, in the Lemony Snicket series, a series of unfortunate events happened. You know, they thought they had their quarterback.

38:01I went to the movie with Jim Carrey. My daughter, she's read it. She read the whole series. That's what she got for Christmas one year. They thought they had their quarterback, but it was a series of unfortunate events that, you know, shoulder, Achilles, and things of that nature. But it's not easy. It's not easy finding a quarterback. Actually, it might be the hardest thing to do in professional sports. It is. It is. I think, you know what? Can I say something real quick? Go ahead. Can I say something real quick? I'm going to give you the three hardest things in life to do. Hey, Chad, y 'all write this down too, Chad.

38:41I'm going to give y 'all two seconds to grab a pen. The three hardest things in life to do. Number one. Is the NFL team finding a quarterback. That can be a franchise quarterback for 10 years or more. OK, that's one. Number two. Trying to hit a baseball coming at you 95 miles an hour on a consistent basis. That's two.

39:17Try keeping a woman happy long term. Outside of the honeymoon phase. I knew you were going to say that last one. Three hardest things to do in life. Now you got some, you got some, some couples, you know, they'd be 15. Oh, we've been doing this 15, 17 years. Yeah. Yeah. Pretending. You ain't fooling me. You smile. Behind closed doors, you're arguing. I can't stand you. Don't get me started. I sat next to a married couple today. They've been married 32 years. So I was nosy. You had to ask them, how y 'all been together that long? I had to be nosy. I say, well, out of the 32 years you've been married, how many of those years have y 'all been happy?

40:05You want to know how many of those years you've been happy? Or they've been happy together? How many? The first three. I don't think any couple can say they've been happy. They're days there. If a couple tell you they've been married 10 years, 15 years, 20 years, that they've been happy all the year. No, they're days. Now there are more days that I'm happy that I'm sad or disappointed. I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, they got in depth. I just don't have that kind of time because I don't want to switch topics to be on football. I was just using that analogy. Right. Just bringing, bringing in context to it.

40:40Yes. A couple, 30. And he said, the husband said to me and the wife, they were in agreeance. And I was enjoying it. It was like I was their therapist. And I said, they said the honeymoon phase lasted for three years in the marriage. And after that, we have just been, I forgot the word she used. She used a word when you just, gosh, I forgot the word she used. Working, cohabitating. Yeah, cohabitating. That's the word. We're just cohabitating. and I don't want to start over and I refuse to deal with anyone else. So we, and it's lasted 32 years. I'm like, well, God, well, God damn. Congratulations to y 'all.

41:18But can I tell you what I got from that? What? I don't care. Because I'm getting married anyway. I think the thing is, Ocho, and you say this a lot. I mean, you see a lot of couples do this. The kids get out, the kids get out of high school, the kids graduate college, what they do? They split, they go to separate ways. Oh. Because sometimes, because sometimes they look at it like, well, we ain't really got anything else to be together for. Now the kid's grown. You think people stay together? You think people stay together? Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. Yes. Yes. What? You're not talking, not our people.

41:54You're talking about the other side. Sometimes our people even stay together. People stay together for kids. Sometimes it's easier to stay together because You can pool your money together. It's going to be much harder apart.

42:14You see this a lot in the professional settings.

42:21What women will tolerate in a professional setting when the money is good. Listen, come on. The longer the money... No, no, no. Hey, baby. What you doing? Hold on. I'll plug it up for you. hold on she done unplugged my turn my lights off the longer the longer the money the longer the leash it's always been that way and if and if and if you depending on how serious it is the longer the longer you're with you and if you happen to marry him and then they're oh no no you're good what you're crying for oh my goodness no you're good you're good i'm gonna plug it up the longer you're with them and they're ready to leave as long as they're taking something with them they're not leaving without it, not without that lifestyle.

43:07Yeah, I mean, you know Hagler, the game is the game. It's always been the game. You got to learn how to play it, man. That's all. Come on. You want to charge us? Shador, week one, 14 of 23. He had 157 total yards, two touchdowns, zero interceptions. Dylan Gabriel, week two, 13 of 18, 144 total yards, zero for two, zero touchdowns, two turnovers, a pick six, and a fumble that was credited to him. So, and And after the game, Stefanski, he refused to like, you know, I'm not doing this evaluation. Well, who played this or who did better than that? We'll go back and we'll look at the film and we'll do our proper evaluation.

43:47And, you know, it'll be interesting to see, Chad, when they hit the field on Monday or Tuesday when they're back at a regular practice, what is the sequence? One, two, three, four. Or what's the slot? Where are they slotted? Where are the quarterbacks slotted? Maybe that tells us something. Maybe that tells us nothing. We don't know. Who starts week three? How much playing time do they get? Does he get in week three? It's going to be very, very interesting to see their eval. their valuation from week one to week two. I'm sure there are some things both guys did extremely, really well. Some things they would like to have back.

44:43I'm sure the coaches, you know, give them a rundown of what they would like to have seen them do what they like to see them do better. But overall, I think both guys played extremely well and should feel proud of the performance that they gave. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited to see what happens. I wouldn't want to be, I wouldn't want to be a Browns personnel. I wouldn't want to be Stefanski because listen, depending on who they pick and who they choose, the backlash that they're going to get, it's going to be crazy. Right. It's going to be crazy. I'm not sure Stefanski has any control over the final 53.

45:17Well, honestly, if he, how is the head coach not going to have control over who he's going to put out there on the field? And he's the one got to coach him. Easy. You think, you think, you think Brian Schottenheimer had control over the final 53 in Dallas? Oh, what? You think McCarthy got... That's a different circus. That's a different circus. I think... Are we trying to win? There's a difference. You have to, like, come in with... You have to be Andy Reid to get that. Mike Tomlin. You've got to put some years... Unless you're, like, highly sought after. Right. Now, yeah.

46:00Sean McVay. Yes. Kyle Shanahan. Yeah, for sure. You're naming all the coaches. They're allowed to pick the players they want because they're successful. Do you know why they're successful? Because of the players that they have. They're successful because ownership let them stay out of their business. OK, I got you. I got you. That's your food. That's your food. Jim Harbaugh. Right. Oh, yeah. He's another one. they're consistent winners no matter where they are he came so sought after so you have to give up something besides money in order to tice him to leave the university of michigan when you're moving like i do trips don't always come together weeks in advance sometimes production shoots interviews or something i've got to travel for on a short notice like the time when i had the last minute trip to denver and everything came together fast once it was locked in, I had to be ready to go.

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49:39Ben Johnson came highly touted he was offensive coordinator for the Lions the Bears you got to give him something to get him to leave besides money and so it's going to be very very interesting to see how this thing shapes up for the Cleveland Browns Anthony Richardson Sr. saw his most extensive preseason action yet after sustaining a dislocated finger in week one against the Ravens, Richardson completed six of 11 passes for 73 yards, but his numbers were undermined by penalties. He started five of six for 64 yards, leading a 90-yard touchdown drive with crisp passes. Offensive penalties derailed the next two possessions, including negating a 38-yard completion.

50:25Daniel Jones started the game and let a field goal drive, completing seven of 11 for 101 yards. Colts head coach Shane Steichen strongly suggested after the game that a decision is imminent. In his team's month-long quarterback battle, I've seen obviously three weeks of it. So I like to have a decision here shortly. I'm very close. I'll say that. I'm very, very close. Ocho, who's week one starter? I mean, honestly, the way it's looking, you know, it's Daniel Jones. It's Daniel Jones. I think even if Anthony Richardson's finger hadn't gotten hurt, I think that's what they want to go with all along anyway.

51:12I think there have been issues there with him the first two years. Obviously, they haven't seen the improvement necessary, especially with year three always being the make or break year. Yes. Don't need improvement. I'm assuming so, especially with the way that the coach is talking. I don't like it. Then you signed Daniel Jones one year, 14 million, that much one year. They definitely they definitely were going in the other direction regards to what Anthony Richard would have done in camp or what he would have done in the game. Like, how much better are you going to be from the first two years coming into the third?

51:48Yeah, I agree. There's only so much. There's only so much work. I mean, it's not going to be a miracle. You look a certain way year one, you look a certain way year two, and then all of a sudden year three, you're going to come back and just be, oh, my goodness. Yeah, but that's what they were expecting. They were expecting a monumental jump because, Ocho, you're in your third year in the system. Okay. Okay. Understandable. And he got hit in the face with a blitz that he should have got hit in the place with as a rookie not as a third year vet okay right and so look like I said Ocho we're not there Chad if I was there if I was there and observing practice I'd be able to tell you who I think should be the starting quarterback but unfortunately all the thing I can do is base it on what we've seen thus far and look and I don't think it's like it's a situation where like oh, this is actually stone.

52:47I don't think it's one of those situations. But I think it's a situation where, you know, like you said, at some point in time, you're going to have to give one of these guys the majority of the reps, Ocho. You can't keep splitting 50-50. You already know where they're going. You know the game they're playing. You knew the game they were playing when they brought Daniel Jones in for that amount of money. for that amount of money on a one-year deal. Yeah. I already knew the game they were playing. What, baby? Papa. What, Papa? Okay, okay, I'm going to call Papa for you. She won't, she won't.

53:28So you got Daniel Jones. It's interesting. Chat, y 'all think it's going to be Daniel Jones or y 'all think it's going to be Anthony Richardson Sr.?

53:38It's not like either one of the guys just blowing you away. I mean... You upstairs? Yeah, yeah. She's... All right. I'm going to just come to 1417.

53:591417. Pulling it up. All right. Let's see.

54:05All right. Pop-Pop coming to get you. Because you're not letting daddy work. Daddy working. I don't get to see daddy that much at the beginning with, so I don't care about you working. Nah, that's what I think about you working.

54:26Who did... Oh, here it is. How about coming, okay? They played the Packers today. Hey. them. Go ahead, Ocho. Were you able to watch all the games? No. Yeah. They need to put the games on one channel. Well, first of all, Ocho, you know it's the preseason. So basically, you're going to get only the – you'll be able to watch the local game. Right. So – but I guess, you know, they're going to have it fixed where you'll be able to, once you pay all that money it's going to cost you about$2 ,000 to watch all the games. That much? Yeah, you got to get every streaming service? Everything is on one service now.

55:18Right? Or am I tripping? I thought that was the whole point. You tripping.

55:29Oh, man. I'm excited, bro. So Daniel Jones started the game, huh? Or Anthony Richardson started the game?

55:41I think Daniel Jones did start.

55:48Hey. 7 of 11 for 101 yards. Anthony Richardson was 6 of 11 for 73 yards. I think that's Riley Leonard, 7 of 12 for 64 yards. Uh...

56:03David Jones started. He started, okay, he started game two. Anthony Richardson started game one. Okay. Okay. So they went back and forth to make sure each person got the opportunity. And he says, yeah, he says, I've seen obviously three weeks of it. So I'd like to have a decision here shortly, and I'm very close. I'll say that. I'm very close. I think he's seen enough. Damn. I think he has his mind made up that who he wants to start. Right. I'm leaning towards you. Why bring a guy in to make$14 million and to have him be the backup? Yeah. Totally. Totally. It's not like Danny Jones had his pick of choices where he goes.

56:54I mean, not for that kind of money. No, absolutely not. But that lets you know how in dire need of a quarterback that the Colts were. Yes. You saw what you saw. You saw what you saw in New York and say, you know what, we're going to bring you in to compete because we don't think our quarterback going into year three has figured it out just yet. But, hell, you didn't figure it out when you were in New York, but we think you're going to come here and all of a sudden something's supposed to change. So two wrongs don't make it right. Two-fold. I think they really want, because if they bring a quarterback in for a million, let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, they bring a backup in and they're going to pay him$4 million.

57:39You're not going to take that serious. Man, I ain't going on no bench for no guy making$4 million. You bring a guy in making$14, now you know they serious. $14 ain't sitting on no bench, I can tell you that. $14 is not sitting on no bench. They talk about quarterback controversy. They talk about quarterback battle. There is no quarterback battle. if the quarterback coming from another team makes that kind of money on a one-year deal. He probably making more than Anthony Richardson this year. What's Anthony Richardson-based salary this year? He's only in his third year. It's not that much? Yeah, because his contract is fully guaranteed, but he got probably most of his money in the signing bonus.

58:18So he probably got$25 million in the signing bonus, Ochoa. So Anthony Richardson probably making, what,$8 million this year?

58:29Right

58:33Four million You're making 3.8 So one guy making 3.8 million The other guy making 14 million Do you think they're going to put the guy that's making 14 million on the bench? No You know what I don't like though? Is his money guaranteed? Did they guarantee his money? No Jones Yo, you know, Anthony Richardson got$34 million guaranteed. His money guaranteed. He got$22 million aside, so he going to get that final 12. You know what? I'm mad because Anthony Richardson is supposed to be like Josh Allen. Let me get this out. Go ahead. Anthony Richardson is supposed to be like Josh Allen. Anthony Richardson is supposed to be like our new version of Cam Newton.

59:25Yes. Like, that's the kind of potential. And, like, I don't know at what point what went wrong or what's happened. If he's not focused, if he's not locked in. After this year, Anthony Richardson is supposed to be going to the table for one of those$250,$300 million deals. Yes, I agree. After this year. That is what I saw in him coming out of Florida based on the eye testing, what I'm looking at. All the intangibles does everything right. I didn't see that. I was shocked. I was shocked that he moved up the draft board. I'm like, but see, Ocho, go back and watch the tape. Right. You see what happened?

1:00:14Now, you see how some people watch tape? Right. And then somebody go by the combine. If you look at his, if you didn't know anything about it, and all you did was watch the combine, you understand. Now go back and watch his tape in Florida.

1:00:33Hey, well, yeah, you did tell me that. You did tell me that. Go back and watch his tape. You didn't tell me that. But those measurables were so hard to pass up, though, Ocho. 6 '4", 245, running 4 '4", can throw the ball 80 yards. Which is what I said. With the measurables, you take the measurables, right? The reason that they went up to go grabbing the draft. And if the measurables put up with the play on the field, after this year three season, they coming to see you. You finna tear the house down. I agree. You finna tear the house down. I agree. That's how I'm visualizing it. And I can't believe, I don't know at what point.

1:01:19And if you don't get it here, if you get beat out by our brother Daniel Jones, then a day like that, like in what I'm visualizing, if I was Anthony Richardson, it's not happening. It's not happening. Yeah, they're not bringing Daniel Jones in. Because you do everything, you do what you're supposed to do. you're not the last in in the first out. So that's it. That's in a bad message there, Ocho. Yeah. I don't know, man. You think maybe it's focused in somewhere else and not just... Don't start me like, I don't know enough about it. I don't know enough about it. I don't. I like Young Bull, man. I like Young Bull.

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