In short
Breakdown of NFL preseason Week 3 (Browns vs Bills) focusing on Shedeur Sanders’ poor third-quarter performance and why the play-calling/offensive line didn’t give him a fair chance; debate over why he wasn’t allowed to run the final two-minute drill; discussion of Shiloh Sanders being ejected/waived and where he might land next.
Guest backgrounds
The episode features two hosts, “Ocho” and “Ocho” (referred to as a former NFL player with 30+ years NFL experience, Pro Bowl/All-Pro/ring of fame mentions). They also cite comments from NFL figures: Kevin Stefanski (Browns coach), Derek Carr (tweeted), and others. No formal guest list is provided beyond the hosts.
Key claims
Shedeur played “bad,” but the hosts argue it was caused by long-developing routes and an inadequate offensive line; quarterbacks should be given quick-game concepts to succeed. They criticize Kevin Stefanski for using Snoop Huntley instead of Shedeur in the two-minute drill to avoid giving him a chance to redeem himself. Shiloh’s punch led to ejection; emotions and roster-spot pressure are blamed.
Notable examples
Shedeur was 3-of-6 for 14 yards, 41 yards total, sacked five times (lost 41 yards) in his final preseason game. Stefanski said the plan was to give Snoop a last look. Shiloh was ejected after throwing a punch at Bills TE Zach Davidson; Buccaneers reportedly waived him, with Drew Rosenhaus/Robert Bailey hoping for a waiver claim.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOShadour Sanders' Preseason Game Analysis
1:30 to 2:04
Discussing Shadour Sanders' performance and team dynamics during a preseason game.
“When you're moving like I do, you don't always get a lot of lead time.”
Shadour Sanders' Preseason Game Analysis
2:26 to 7:00
Discussing Shadour Sanders' performance and team dynamics during a preseason game.
“he was 3 of 6, 14 yards, 41 yards, lost on five sacks.”
Coaching Decisions and Quarterback Performance
7:00 to 14:01
Debating coaching strategies and their impact on quarterback performance in games.
“I mean, if you know the game of football and understand the game of football, understand that those that are in there with him during that time, I'm not going to be able to go ahead, man.”
Analyzing Shadour Sanders' Performance
14:01 to 16:54
Discussion on Shadour Sanders' game performance and coaching decisions.
“Sometimes it's waiting for receivers to get downfield for Ralph to develop.”
Quarterback Dynamics and Team Decision-Making
16:54 to 19:52
Exploration of the quarterback situation within the team and organizational decisions.
“Now we need to stop asking these questions.”
Personal Experiences in Preseason Competition
19:52 to 22:38
Sharing personal experiences related to preseason competition and player evaluation.
“No matter the position, be it quarterback, running back, wide receiver, O-line, D-line, linebacker, cornerback.”
Understanding Game Dynamics
22:38 to 23:44
Discussion on the nuances of football and understanding game dynamics.
“when you play well, but listen, outside of that, Joe Flacco, That boy looked good.”
Perceptions of Player Performance
23:44 to 26:26
Discussion on fan perceptions of player performance and the importance of context.
“Sometimes the defensive back is going to win.”
Introduction to Podlandia Podcast
28:04 to 29:12
Listen to Carrie Brownstein and Fred Armisen discuss their new podcast.
“Carrie Brownstein and Fred Armisen here.”
Shiloh Sanders Ejected: Analysis
30:29 to 36:53
Discussion on Shiloh Sanders' ejection from a game and the implications.
“You got to be able to control yourself, especially in that moment.”
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Emotions and Logic in Football
36:53 to 42:00
Exploring the balance between emotions and logic in football decisions.
“All that's going to happen because it's the game of football.”
Analyzing Shiloh Sanders' Performance
42:00 to 44:51
Discussing the challenges and expectations faced by Shiloh Sanders in his NFL career.
“You think there was a greater chance you hurt your own self or you could hurt him?”
Shiloh Sanders' Future in the NFL
50:37 to 56:00
Discussing the implications of Shiloh Sanders being waived and his prospects.
“His father gets the job at Jackson State.”
Living in a Father's Shadow
56:00 to 1:03:34
Explore the pressures faced by children of successful athletes and the importance of self-motivation.
“Being hungry, being hot, being cold, it's easy.”
Transcript
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2:25Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, but first, Shadour's final preseason game, he was 3 of 6, 14 yards, 41 yards, lost on five sacks. I know you watched this game as I did. I want to hear what you have to say first. Well, first of all, listen, Shadour Sanders didn't play bad. Chat, those that follow me on Twitter, you happy? There it is. He didn't play well. He didn't play well. He played bad. Obviously, he stunk it up. But let me let me let me clarify why. Offer some insight. Let me give you a little insight. So he comes in in the third quarter. Am I correct? Third quarter. OK, boom. So the players that are playing in the third quarter.
3:10Excuse me if I'm excuse me if I'm wrong. You can do your homework. Will those players make the 53 man roster?
3:17Shannon Sharpe:A lot of them will not. A lot of them will not make a 50-man roster. Exactly. So, again, I'm all for quarterback competition. But if you're going to put him in a situation that is not advantageous to him and competing at a high level, boom, let's give him a chance. Let's give him a chance with the play calling. You know you have an offensive line that isn't playing that well. So what do we do? Why not just play the short game so we can get the ball out of his hands very fast to run a competent goddamn offense. Purposely running plays that are 10, 12, 15-yard routes, knowing damn well the goddamn offensive line is not going to be able to hold up, is ridiculous.
4:01It's clear. I played football for a very long time. I played in the NFL at a very high level for a very, very long time. I understand in a situation like that, when it comes to the threes and fours that you're playing with that aren't going to be, that aren't going to be on the squad and not going to make the team, give your quarterback a chance. Okay, you know what? You know they can't hold up that long? Let's play quick game. Let's play quick game just against your door in a goddamn rhythm. But no, you come out, call in regular offensive plays that are very long, damn near play action if he was under center, knowing they take a while to develop, knowing good and goddamn well, the O-line and the people you have out there right now we're not going to be able to hold up.
4:42Outside of that, Shadour has to be better in understanding that the offensive line that you're working with right now is not adequate. Get the ball out your hands. Get the ball out your hands. But he's holding the ball for one reason. He's holding the ball because the goddamn players aren't open. He's waiting for things to develop, which is why he's holding the ball and trying to make something happen by holding on to it, by scrambling, moving, obviously running out of area running out of real estate and being sacked i'm not sure what game you guys are watching again i state should do it play bad he did but why he played bad is clear as day if you understand the game of football and what he had to work with kevin sofanski not let your door come back in the game to finish the two-minute drill oh i've never seen that before i've never in my never in my life ever have seen anything like that before what are we doing what are we doing no disrespect to snoop huntley snoop is probably not going to be on the team he's probably not going to be on the team so i'm not sure what you were waiting to look snoop was on the team simply because quarterbacks were injured so they brought in the extra body i not allow the players that are competing for a job in this instance Chidor Sanders to finish off the two minute drill.
6:02Agreed. What are we doing? Who makes that call? He makes that call. Why? Because I want the last thing people to see. I want the last people, the last thing for people to remember is the mistakes and the sacks that happen and not give him a chance to redeem himself. Because I think probably what would happen. Okay. We can't have Chidor come in here and finish this two minute drive and go down and get a touchdown. We don't want that. So we're going to leave him on the sideline so he leaves a bad taste in those mouths. So now there's nothing that they can say. There's nothing that they can say because now you've got a small sample size of him playing with people that are probably not going to be on the team.
6:43And they're by on Twitter going to say. Former. Man, come on, man. But OK, I can't wait to hear your piece. And in chat, for those of you who are listening and watching, I'm not making any excuses for him. He played bad. He played bad. But I can tell you why he played bad. I mean, if you know the game of football and understand the game of football, understand that those that are in there with him during that time, I'm not going to be able to go ahead, man.
7:11Shannon Sharpe:I agree with everything you said. He did play bad. And you and I, we come out here and we're on, we talk four or five nights a week, sometimes six nights a week. We've gone six straight nights. We've gone nine straight days before. and what we do we tell it like it is like my grandma say boy tell it like it is we tell it like it is should do it did not play well today he played awful everything that you said is true should do it you know this offensive line is not competent enough to give you protection and i understand it's his oh i'm in competition i saw what dylan gabriel did with the guys that's probably going to be on the team i'm trying to match that but i what happened is is that they didn't give him the necessary pieces in order to match this if you want me to fight if you want me to win a war give me the weapons you can't get expect me to win a modern war with muskets and cannons they use drones now they use stuff with precision pinpoint accuracy so you're expecting me to win a modern game and you're giving me old time that won't work so shador has to do a better job of getting the ball out of his hands.
8:23Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, he had some time. It's okay. Coach, hey, that ain't my game. That's Lamar Jackson. That's Josh Allen. That's Jalen Hurts. That's their game. Buying time like that. Shadour has in a pocket. He can move side to side, but he doesn't have that ability, that escapability like these other quarterbacks, like the board mentioned, I mentioned. I don't understand why you would let snoop huntley take the two minute unless he's going to be one of the four quarterbacks that's going to be on your roster you give that to your door i agree with what you said because you said look we've seen guys play bad be great in the two minute drill and you forget they played bad the entirety of the game i don't know what's inside uh kevin stefanski head uh maybe he's like, hey, I wanted Snoop, you know, we're going to end up releasing him and, you know, we wanted him to go.
9:23Shannon Sharpe:Look, Snoop Huntley's been in the league four or five years. He started several games for the Ravens when Lamar Jackson was hurt. Hell, he started a postseason game. So this notion that you're doing him some type of favor when the man has been in the league four or five years, he started six, seven games in his career, he started a postseason game, it's just disingenuous. It was with all that being said, I agree. The offensive line wasn't very good. And the one thing that a coach used to always tell me, he said, son, don't make a bad play worse. You see your offensive line breakdown, Shadour, don't make a bad play worse.
10:01Shannon Sharpe:Don't run around and lose five. Don't lose 10. He got sacked five. He got sacked five times, lost 41 yards. Fumble the ball. Come on. You got to be better than that. And I understand when you're in competition, Ocho, I'm trying to compete. So I'm going to scratch, claw, and do whatever I think is necessary that's going to help me put me in an advantageous situation so I can compete, so I can win. But I don't get what they did, why they did it. Some things is not – some things is awful without explanation. Some things you and I can't explain, even though with the 30 plus years between us of NFL experience and a number of Pro Bowls and all pros, both of us are in our team's respective ring of fame.
10:50Shannon Sharpe:Some things we just can't answer because we are not in Kevin Stefanski's heads. We don't. Here it is, Ocho. Here's Kevin Stefanski not letting Shadua run the two-minute drill at the end of the game with the Browns. Let's take a listen to what he had to say. Kevin, it was obviously a bit of a rough second half for Shador and the entire Browns offense. But, like, why didn't you keep him in for a two-minute show? Why did you decide to put the title in? Yeah, obviously we didn't play great as an offense in the second half. That's never on one person. So we can be better in a bunch of areas. It just felt like we wanted to give Snoop a last draft.
11:27Shannon Sharpe:Did Shador have something wrong with him after the game? Yeah, he's good. He walked up to you after taking his walk down to the pylon, and then he walked back up to you on the sidelines before Snoop went in, and he said something to you. You shook your head. I mean, was he trying to get back into your head? He's a competitive kid. The plan was to go with Snoop there, but I wouldn't make any more of it than that.
11:56Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, he's like, Coach, let me get this last one. Give me an opportunity. Nah, we're good. We're going to take a look at Snoop. They know what they're doing. They know what they're doing. Listen, a blind man can see that. A blind man can see that. Again, for those of you in the chat, listen, I'm not taking it for him. I'm going to say it again. And I reiterate it. Shador Sanders played bad. Based on the circumstances, in the situation he was put in, in the weapons around him, in the offensive line that he had to deal with, that probably won't be on the 53-man roster, that's exactly what you would look like.
12:32You could have put Tom Brady out there with that offensive line. He would have looked the exact same way. You could have put Patrick Mahomes out there with that offensive line in that third quarter, the second half. He would have looked the exact same way. Kevin Stefanski saying we didn't play well in the second half. Well, yeah. I mean, obviously.
12:55Shannon Sharpe:You didn't call plays well in the second half. This is what Derek Carr had to say. I need to understand why we don't get to see Shadua run this two-minute drill. Wouldn't you want to see your young quarterback operate in this situation, get him more reps for the future? I didn't see the whole game, so maybe he already showed enough. Help me understand this. Jerome Aiden, so Kevin Stefanski gives Dylan Gabriel easy short throws with max protection and then gives Shadua bulljive plays with an old line that looked like they just ate a gang of little debbies. F you, Browns. Hold on. Did you hear the key word?
13:32As soon as I stated that he played well, and the first thing I said, which you just read, he gave Dylan Gabriel short throws to get himself in rhythm to get the ball out of his hands. And then in the second half, the play calls were much longer routes that took time to develop, and they know good and well that the offensive line wouldn't be able to hold up. The only reason a quarterback holds on to the ball, sometimes it's coverage sacks. Sometimes it's waiting for receivers to get downfield for Ralph to develop. And they know good and well, like, you know, good and well, it wasn't going to work.
14:10You have an NFL quarterback, an experienced quarterback that's pointing it out. Exactly what I said. I didn't even know. I didn't know Derek Carr tweeted that. I didn't even know. But I'm just sitting here watching. I'm like, like, what are we doing? What are we doing as a coach, as a head coach, as a coaching staff? I mean, if it's a quarterback competition, put the players in advantageous situations and give them a chance to succeed. It's simple. It's something like you would do on Sunday when Joe Flacco goes out there week one against the Cincinnati Bengals. They're going to put him in positions to succeed.
14:51every quarter, every down. It's just the way the game is played. You play to win the game. I mean, I don't understand. I don't understand.
15:03Shannon Sharpe:Mike Hill, Mike Hill, I hope Shadour will eventually end up on a good roster with a coach who wants and believes in him. It's so obvious this league and even the Browns, in a sense, have been trying to send a message to him since the draft, and it's downright disgusting. like I said I co-sign I agree with everything that you said the the play was not adequate enough and Shadour has to get to a point in time that's always been his knock we said this when he was in college he holds on to the ball too long you're not going to make every play the sooner he gets that in his head the sooner he comes to that realization the better off he's gonna be do not make a bad play worse.
15:47Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, the worst thing you can do, Ocho, if I run the wrong route is drop the ball when you throw it to me. Damn, son, the least you can do is catch it. You done helped up to play someplace you're not supposed to be. Son, if you jump offside, son, just go. Maybe they missed it. But don't make a bad play worse. and you block the wrong guy and then you end up holding. Well, damn, son. Shador, just speed your process up. Yes, the offensive line wasn't adequate. Yes, the receivers. Give him the plays that you gave him against Carolina. Let him get the ball out of his hands. Let him let – in a situation like that, you let the offense, you let the receivers help you.
16:35Shannon Sharpe:You put the ball in their hands and says, okay, son, go get four or five yards out the catch. as opposed to taking a five-step drop and trying to push the ball down the field. That is my synopsis of what I saw. Hopefully now, Joe, hopefully preseason is over. We can stop having these conversations. Joe Flacco is the starting quarterback. Now we need to stop asking these questions. When are we going to see Shador? Because you're not going to see Joe Flacco, something happens to him. If they keep four quarterbacks, it's going to be Joe Flacco. It's going to probably be, I don't know. Hell, the way it looks, look like Dylan Gabriel might be two now.
17:12Shannon Sharpe:Kenny Pickett might be three. You know what also, I'm not saying it scares me, but it worries me. If they've already made a decision, if their mind is already made up as an organization, as a head coach, has them coming out and saying what he said two weeks ago about the pick not being his and Andrew Barry standing by his side and standing by his pick. And for Andrew Barry to have to witness what he saw today, someone that is very intelligent, very intelligent to be in a position of power, that he's in and to witness what he witnessed today. I'm thinking also if the decisions already been made to release your door or to cut them in any way, shape, form, or fashion, what scares me is him going to another team.
17:54And will teams be willing to be able to deal with someone with the last name Sanders that brings the kind of tension to a team that he does and he's not even a starting quarterback? You understand what I'm saying? I do. That brings a totally different dynamic to a team where it takes away from whoever the starting quarterback is being Shadour now coming in and being on that team. You get where I'm going with it? I do. That he didn't create, but it just comes with the Sanders last name in general.
18:26Shannon Sharpe:That's a lot of oxygen being taken up out of the room for a guy that's not playing. That's what you're saying. The Browns general manager, Andrew Barry, told the NFL Network, keeping four quarterbacks not much of a decision we have a room that we like and all the guys in there we don't really see that as a problem we more see it as an opportunity Ocho my thing is why are you keeping four quarterbacks when clearly one of the quarterbacks you don't actually believe in I know I know Andrew Barry and Mr. Hassam I know they be going at it why because it's not it's not like their sentimentality sometimes Ocho we hold on to things that have sentimental value to us oh man Ocho I had this thing so long I just can't let it go you know but but when there's no sentimentality to it there's no attachment to it you just drafted a guy you drafted a guy in the fifth round why are you holding on to it if you believe he was that good you would have given him a better opportunity to show you what he can do from what I could deduce and from what I've read I've never I've never read anything or saw anything that Shadur Sanders took reps with the ones or the twos except when Gabriel got hurt and then he took that they were playing that Friday and he took reps that Wednesday Thursday other than that excuse me prior to that there was not a situation where i read what mary k cabbie was writing and i read what others had written that i saw that shador sanders had taken reps with the ones and twos so if he's not taking one of the two and you would think after what he did in the carolina game that's normally what happens chat i'm telling you what normally happens when a guy if he's down on the depth chart and he plays good in a pre-season game they normally come in and that part that practice back, he's like, I want to see what the guy can do with the ones and the twos.
20:24Shannon Sharpe:No matter the position, be it quarterback, running back, wide receiver, O-line, D-line, linebacker, cornerback. I'm telling you, that's normally how it works. You're talking to a guy that was in a very similar situation. And y 'all say, well, you always inserting yourself. I'm inserting myself because I'm telling you, I was in a situation like Shadour. He was a fifth rounder. I was a seventh rounder. I was like sixth and seventh on the depth chart. So I played good in a preseason game, Ocho. Guess what? Next thing I know, hey, at the time I was 81 sharp, Kube was the backup quarterback and he called me greasy.
21:03Shannon Sharpe:He said, Greasy, they put you with the ones and the twos today. So, hey, make sure you're ready. You need to know anything, ask me. I don't know why, but Seven and Kube always took a liking to me. They always took a liking to me. Kube would come into the game and practice Ocho? He's like, Greasy, you know what you got? I say, nah, not really. He said, you got X, Y, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I'm telling you, just like this. He said, Greasy, look, it's going to be cover two. Take the hole. Greasy, it's going to be single house safety. Run to seven. It's going to be this. Hook it up. 15 yards, hook it up.
21:39Shannon Sharpe:Show me your letters. I'm going to get you the ball. Hey, let's go make some money today. He was always like that in my ear. so it gave me confidence that damn this man he don't hey i'm a rookie and he helping me he's working with me hey seven with the exact same weight but once i played good in the game with him guess what now i come back on monday ocho i'm with the twos and i didn't get into the fourth quarter because they want to see what you can do with the starters okay if he did this with some back up. Let's see if we put it with the one and twos. Let's see if he can do that again. Maybe it was because he's going against guys that's not going to be there, but let's see if he can compete against guys that we know are going to be there on Sunday.
22:27Shannon Sharpe:So this is a very similar situation with Shadour. I would have thought, you would have thought, because we had this conversation, Ocho, he's going to get some refs now with one and twos. So we thought, based on our experience and what happens when you play well, but listen, outside of that, Joe Flacco, That boy looked good. He looked good. Dylan Gabriel came in. God damn, Dylan Gabriel looked good. Very efficient. Passes coming out. Everything sharp. Went down. Touchdown. And then, you know, obviously 12 didn't play good today. He didn't. And I've said it over and over for those in the chat. I know we have our Shadour haters who don't like him.
23:06He didn't play well. Can you hear me? But most of those that are hating too long, they don't watch football. They don't understand football. They don't understand the ins and outs. The intricacies of football that you and I that played the game understand. The nuances. We see it. We see it clear as day. But they just, oh, he played bad. He's ass. He sucked. He's a fifth rounder. He's not that good. Well, of course, yes, based on what you saw today. But we're trying to tell you why it looked that way. but that's neither here nor there it is what it is they made their decision they have to lie in bed with it so listen i'm i'm happy for him this is why i watch the game with no sound
23:58Shannon Sharpe:i don't want someone to contaminate my mind and i regurgitate what somebody else said also the reason why i watch fans are only interested in the end result i'm trying to figure out why we got said result it's not good enough that they scored a touchdown I need to know why let me see the formation let me see what the guy did let me see the defensive coverage was it just a great route did he just beat sometimes Ocho you just beat the guy so and that's okay you get paid he gets paid sometimes Ocho just gonna win because Ocho was just a better player. Sometimes the defensive back is going to win.
24:39Shannon Sharpe:He wins some, you win more than you lose. Sometimes, who blew the assignment? Was it the safety? Was he getting greedy, paying attention to the tight end on the over when he should have been deep middle? Did the corner? Why did he not shovel the receiver down inside and sink? Why was he still so far? Why was he so close up when there's nothing to threaten the flat. I'm analyzing all of that. It's just not good enough for me to know that they scored. I'm trying to see why they scored. And then I'm going to tell you, based on my experience, having played the game, having studied the game, this is what I think happened.
25:23Shannon Sharpe:So Ocho and I, what we're trying to do, we're not making excuses for Shadour. Shadour has to do a better job of not making a bad situation worse. Hey, I was so confused tonight too, Let me tell you something. I really do this. I watched the game for a long time. So I thought maybe I'm tripping. Maybe I'm tripping based on what I'm seeing. And maybe I'm not seeing it correctly. Hell, I pick up the phone. I call TJ. I call Hoosh. And I'm like, Hoosh, am I tripping? Or did I see what I thought I just saw when 12 winning the game? He's like, yeah. yeah you could tell he that was a bunch of you know what you know tj tj don't care he just he just go off off the rock on the phone yeah why would you put him in that situation i say okay i just want to if i heard it from you and i know how you i know how tj he gonna tell it like it is you know he don't care and okay i just want to make sure i wasn't tripping i just want to make sure i wasn't from another mouth they actually played the goddamn game the receiver position that also knows the game extremely well, all the intricacies that come with it.
26:31Okay, boom. I know I wasn't tripping.
26:34Shannon Sharpe:Saturday, August 22nd in Tampa. Witness an MMA legend's final fight. Chris Cyborg, one of the greatest in history. She's an absolute pioneer in the sport. Defense her PFL world title one last time. Unforgettable end to an unforgettable career. Saturday, August 22nd, live from Benchmark International Arena. For tickets, visit pfl.info slash Tampa. What's up, fam? I'm sports journalist Ari Chambers. Hey, what's up, y 'all? It's your girl, Sam Jay. And we're the hosts of Everyone Watches Women's Sports, a new podcast from Together and I Heart Women's Sports. Because let's be real, women's sports is giving us way too much to talk about these days.
27:18So Kelsey Finler, she became the first female solo rower to go from California to Hawaii. My first thought is, what's up with the snacks? What are we eating? The highlights, the rivalries, the breakout stars, the moments that take over your entire timeline. And the conversations that start during the game and somehow keep going all week. Every week, we're breaking down the biggest stories across women's sports. Naomi Osaka showing out. She beat Sabalenka. Shout-outs to you, Naomi. You get the palm, Naomi. You get the palm for that. Because we're not just interested in what happened, we're interested in why everyone's talking about it.
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28:03Hey, Portlandia fans.
28:05Shannon Sharpe:Carrie Brownstein and Fred Armisen here. You know us, or rather, you know them. Tony and Candice, Nina and Lance, Spike, and yes, the chicken. We've played a lot of iconic characters over the years, but today we're showing up as ourselves to tell you about Podlandia, AO Rewatch, our brand new podcast. Each week, we'll revisit an episode of Portlandia from the very beginning, breaking down the sketches, exploring the backstories of our most iconic characters, revisiting the Portland locations you know and love, and opening up about our creative process. How did any of this get made? Why do we think that was a good idea?
28:38Shannon Sharpe:We're ready to talk about it. And we'll also be joined by the people who helped bring it all to life. Guest stars, collaborators, and friends, including director Jonathan Kreisel, the mayor himself, Kyle McLaughlin, legendary musician Amy Mann, and many more. Kyle is going for it here. You fully improvised, not just words, but a song, a melody. Well, I thought he was going to write, I thought you were all going to write a song. I remember you thinking that. Listen to Podlandia Ayo Rewatch on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Hayes Davenport. And Sean Clements.
29:15Shannon Sharpe:We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook. Every episode, we're trying to help our guests improve their careers by mainly focusing on how they can help us improve our careers. The show is famously super accessible, so you can easily jump into any of our 650 episodes and understand what's going on. We recommend some of our recent episodes with Ben Stiller. The definition of what is a movie has kind of changed anyway, too, right? What do you think it is now? It's images and words being spoken, captured by some sort of technology. Danny McBride. He loves Boba. Oh, that's fantastic. And you make it on, you make your own.
29:47Shannon Sharpe:That's great. I call him Tarot Reed. That's a good name. They're all named after cast members of American Pie. Yeah. I never looked up if she was in this, but I call him Leachie Sobieski. I don't think she was in American Pie, but I still like that. Haven't looked it up. She was prominent around the same time. Then Mary Steenburgen. Why are you guys talking to me? I'm worried. Why are you talking so down to me that you think I don't understand your little play game? I just really... I get it. I'm trying to set you up for success here. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
30:28Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, Shiloh Sanders was ejected after throwing a punch at Bill's tight end, Zach Davidson. Should he have been ejected? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't do that. You got to be able to control yourself, especially in that moment. I know the tight end, you know, they was locked up a little bit. He was probably trying to roughhide him a little bit, but you have to be able to control yourself. You got to be able to control your emotions. especially in moments like that, especially in the game, especially in the game. So, you know, you have no choice. If you throw a punch, if anything, if your arm extends and it touches the other individual, you're going out the game every time.
31:06Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, he in the open field. That's not like an offensive and defensive lineman, Ocho. You in the pile and can't nobody see you trying to hit the guy. the back judge and the side judge that was who started right there they're right there you know sometimes you got players that'll provoke you sometimes they're always going to see the person that swings last they'll never see who initiated but they're going to always see the person who swings last so you got to be able to I ain't trying to get you back in front of the ref I'm going to try to get you back when you ain't thinking about it because see if I do something then you brace it All you're going to do is turn to the ref.
31:46Shannon Sharpe:You see ref? He did the age. Hey, ref, you see what 84 did? You see what he did? Don't worry about it. I'm going to get you back. It's going to look like a place. I'm going to get your ass back. Yeah. Or I'm going to get your teammate. Somebody. Somebody going to get it. Somebody going to get got. They got your color uniform on. He ain't had nothing to do with it, but that's your teammate. Hey, y 'all know how it is. Hey, I'm going to get you a somebody that's related to you.
32:19Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, but I agree with you, Ocho. Shiloh knows better. Shiloh knows he can't do a situation like that. Bro, you can't hurt. He got on a helmet. So let's just say for a second about it, you hit him. Okay, you hit him in the head. What happened? You break your hand. You will get a penalty. In this situation, you got tossed. Now, even if you do rate the rock, you do know when you get thrown out of the game, Ocho, You know that's like$20 ,000,$30 ,000. So let's just say for the sake of argument. Oh, yeah. Yeah. How much is an ejection in a football game? It's like$25 ,000,$30 ,000. Not that much. The hell you say?
32:58My goddamn celebrations were$25 ,000,$30 ,000. I know they ain't. But you stayed in the game.
33:09Shannon Sharpe:Your celebration didn't call you to get tossed out of a game. Yeah, I'm kidding. How much is an ejection? Especially a first-time offense, too? They're going to take all that into account. Actually, like 32 ,000. They're going to let them appeal that. They're going to let them appeal that. They're going to let you appeal it. First-time offense, too? They're going to be like... Who you appealing it to? Merton Hanks. So, let me ask you a question. Is Merton Hanks still? Merton Hanks? No, I think it's Brooks, Derrick Brooks, James Thrash, and John Runyon. So Brooks and Thrash and then Runyon is over.
33:47Shannon Sharpe:James Thrash? James Thrash? Oh, goddamn James Thrash. What? Hey. Wait, Derrick Brooks, you talking about...
33:58Shannon Sharpe:He threw a punch. Yeah. 40 for fighting, Ocho. Hey, hold on. You said Derrick Brooks. You talking about double nickel? Yeah. Okay, I didn't know that. Man, they gonna take care of him. They gonna take care of him.
34:17Shannon Sharpe:I mean, Brooks and Trash, they're very friendly, but some things. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Physical contact with an official is$40 ,000. A second offense is$81 ,000. Verbal or non-physical offense against official. So if you curse into something, that's$32 ,000. Next one. Woo. Fighting. $40 ,000 for the first offense. $40 ,686. A second offense is$81 ,000. Woo! Woo!
34:56Shannon Sharpe:So, unsportsmanlike conduct. You know what? Maybe they label it unsportsmanlike conduct. Okay, maybe see. But what did they call it during the game? What did they say during the game? because that if you throw a ball into the stands that's 8100 dollars ocho what's your play uniform throwing the ball in the stands still i know i ain't throwing one uh chin strap shoulder pads thigh knee pads that's 57 that's 5800 dollars unapproved visor or tent lack of brand marks 5700 personal messages about 11 5 dang
35:42Shannon Sharpe:gang signs gang signs don't do that that's all I got for you that's a gang sign too that's all I got for you but I just say look the emotions got the best of him you fighting for a roster spot I don't know what happened and I just, you know, saw the still shots of it. So I don't know if he did this or he did that. Tyden blocking him all the way down the field. It seems like, you know, obviously Tyden came off, got up on the safety, and they just keep trying to drive him back, drive him back, and I'm assuming. He tried to dump him. He tried to, yeah, he tried to dump him. Yeah, that's all. A little rough house.
36:27And we find out what they call it in the game.
36:34Shannon Sharpe:And, you know, you just got to be smart in a situation like that because you are fighting for a position. You don't want to do anything to cost you position. But, you know, hey, I trust me. Sometimes when emotion is high, logic is low.
36:52Shannon Sharpe:We've all done things that, like, we look back at like, man, why the hell I do that? Why? and Shadour probably like as he's walking to the tunnel like everybody Shadour excuse me Shiloh everybody's gonna get got if you play long enough somebody gonna get you with a block somebody gonna pancake you somebody gonna route your ass up you gonna get got it's like being in the NBA you gonna get dunked on you play long enough you gonna get dunked on I don't care. Excuse me. I don't care who you are. You're going to get got. Offensive lineman going to get beat. He going to get run over. Defensive lineman going to get blocked.
37:39Shannon Sharpe:He going to get pancake. Quarterback going to get hit. All that's going to happen because it's the game of football. And those guys are really good that you're going against. They're really good. I know you're really good also, but they're really good. And somebody that's really good can make somebody else that's really good look bad. I don't think people realize. People just think that, oh, he's such and such. He's supposed to win all the time. No, hell you not. No. Even Barry Bonds, he didn't strike out often, but he did strike out. Tony Gwynn didn't strike out often, but he did strike out. He did get nobody.
38:16Shannon Sharpe:Hit 500, hit 600, 700. So obviously. But, you know, I ain't really never got that mad, don't you? Not in the game. I mean, have somebody done some dirty stuff? Yeah. Yeah. And I got their ass back. I mean, I'm trying to think. Would I have a... Only time I was about to... I went out for the beat Ray's ass. That's it.
38:41You heard me? You going to beat Ray up? Man, I was going to beat Ray all up and down M &T Bank Stadium. He lucky Ed Reed grabbed me, boy. I was feeling good that day, too.
38:57Shannon Sharpe:Oh, you feeling good? I was feeling good. I was feeling good. He didn't even know. Ray didn't even know. Like, he hit me, right? Stay. Okay. Okay. Go ahead. What'd you say, Ocho? Ray hit me. I went for the slant. It was too high. I know. I saw it. And listen, my helmet went flying. So once I got my helmet, once I got my helmet, I was getting ready to walk up on him. And he didn't know I was going to hit him in the stomach. So, you know, when you hit somebody in the stomach, the first thing they do is they bend down. And then you'll catch him with an uppercut. I'll catch him with an uppercut. Yeah.
39:36And so, I mean, listen, man, I'll tell you what. That 52 would have been 25 when I was done with Ray that day, boy.
39:45Shannon Sharpe:I don't think you had all your bearings. I mean, I think you were about to be the headless football player because I thought your head was in that helmet. It was. It was. It was. you're gonna get his work though hey that's one of the things I miss though I know I play around a lot I make a lot of jokes, I'm always laughing and stuff what you miss? being able to compete not against anybody I'm talking about being able to compete against those Steeler teams with Ike Taylor and James Harrison and Larry Foote and Joey Porter and oh man I thought you was gonna say you miss getting hit. I don't mind that either.
40:30Listen, you know, I was like Gumby. I ain't kidding about that getting hit. I got up from every single hit except one. 11 years. One hit. I didn't get up. That was it.
40:44Shannon Sharpe:When you pop up fast, they know they got you. Nah, you know, I pop up fast talking trash, though. Every time. It was some good days, man. I miss playing them Ravens, man. Them defenses, man. man, dog, that was such a joy. Such a joy because you had no choice but to show up, huh? There's no weakness. There was no weakness nowhere. Nowhere. Yeah. Division games are always true. Second level was good. Secondary was good. And here goes my crazy. I'm talking trash all week long to take all the pressure off of everybody else on our team. So all the pressure was on me. now all y 'all got to do is just go out there and just do your job nah cause they cheap shotting everybody man why you cheap man cause tell Sharp to say shut up okay man Sharp leave alone you ain't got to block him well you need to block better yeah I enjoyed it that way man I don't know why man I know um look you know what I bet I bet your time called him from the I bet you time called Shiloh in the locker room.
41:53Shannon Sharpe:Of course. Man, what is you doing, boy? That's exactly what. Come on, now. What you doing? Really, son? So let me ask you a question. You hit him. You think you hurt him? You think there was a greater chance you hurt your own self or you could hurt him? You hurt your own self, your own team, or you hurt him or his team? Because that's how you look. I don't know if he like he ain't really no time ain't really no yelling he's more of a talker and a stern way to get his point of calls me I'm like bro what are you doing? really? you thought that was your answer
42:40Shannon Sharpe:the man the man done drove you like a Winnebago So now you mad because you couldn't get him up off you. You take a swipe at him. Oh, man. Hey, Shiloh, you are getting the weight room, bro. Them guys big, them tight ends. Hey, you know, I was just strong, but I wasn't, you know, I was 228. Them guys not, them tight ends not. They 6 '4", 6 '5", 250, 260. Hey, you got to drop anger on them, Shiloh. Get up off me. The hell you thinking this is? And Prime got to be careful because Sherlock were hitting back with you the same one out there fighting with Andre Ryzen. So how you sitting here telling me about throwing punches?
43:27You was out there.
43:28Shannon Sharpe:Bad time. I remember that. Like, hey. He tried to show out in my house. You can't come to my house. They were going at it, boy. They were going at it. I think Dre forgot at the time was left-handed. Yeah, yeah, he was looking for the right and Ty was killing with the left. I think that's what happened. See, that's what gets you, Ocho, because you think most of the time and I think most people are right-handed. What's the percentage of right-handed people? It ain't no 50-50 like a coin flip. It's got to be like 70-30. Right of the lefty. And so you automatically assume somebody right-handed. And so you're looking for that right and he just cocked up upside your head with a little cock cock cock and see the thing was Ty was smart see Ty wasn't punching me Ty didn't want to break his hand open Ty was open handed me
44:31Shannon Sharpe:but I think I think Shiloh learned I mean hey you're like hey if hopefully he makes the squad and he can get because this thing if you want to practice squad You ain't making$40 ,000 a week. They're going to take your first three weeks going to the NFL. You're going to be all right. Saturday, August 22nd in Tampa. Witness an MMA legend's final fight. Chris Cyborg, one of the greatest in history. She's an absolute pioneer in the sport. Defense her PFL world title one last time. Unforgettable end to an unforgettable career. And still. Saturday, August 22nd, live from Benchmark International Arena.
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45:49And the conversations that start during the game and somehow keep going all week. Every week, we're breaking down the biggest stories across women's sports. Naomi Osaka showing out. She beat Sabalenka. Shout-outs to you, Naomi. You get the palm, Naomi. You get the palm for that. Because we're not just interested in what happened, we're interested in why everyone's talking about it. because everyone watches women's sports. Listen to Everyone Watches Women's Sports on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, Portlandia fans.
46:20Shannon Sharpe:Carrie Brownstein and Fred Armisen here. You know us, or rather, you know them. Tony and Candice, Nina and Lance, Spike, and yes, the chicken. We've played a lot of iconic characters over the years, but today we're showing up as ourselves to tell you about Podlandia, AO Rewatch, our brand new podcast. Each week, we'll revisit an episode of Portlandia from the very beginning, breaking down the sketches, exploring the backstories of our most iconic characters, revisiting the Portland locations you know and love, and opening up about our creative process. How did any of this get made? Why do we think that was a good idea?
46:54Shannon Sharpe:We're ready to talk about it. And we'll also be joined by the people who helped bring it all to life. Guest stars, collaborators, and friends, including director Jonathan Kreisel, the mayor himself, Kyle McLaughlin, legendary musician Amy Mann, and many more. Kyle is going for it here. You fully improvised, not just words, but a song, a melody. Well, I thought he was going to write, I thought you were all going to write a song. I remember you thinking that. Listen to Podlandia A-O Rewatch on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Hayes Davenport. And Sean Clements.
47:30Shannon Sharpe:We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook. Every episode, we're trying to help our guests improve their careers by mainly focusing on how they can help us improve our careers. The show is famously super accessible, so you can easily jump into any of our 650 episodes and understand what's going on. We recommend some of our recent episodes with Ben Stiller. The definition of what is a movie has kind of changed anyway too, right? What do you think it is now? It's images and words being spoken, captured by some sort of technology. Danny McBride. He loves Ova. Oh, that's fantastic. And you make it on, you make your own.
48:02Shannon Sharpe:That's great. I call him Tarot Reed. It's a good name. They're all named after cast members of American Pie. Yeah. I never looked up if she was in this, but I call him Leachie Sobieski. I don't think she was in American Pie, but I still like that. Haven't looked it up. Haven't looked it up. She was prominent around the same time. Then Mary Steenburgen. Why are you guys talking to me? I'm worried. Why are you talking so down to me that you think I don't understand your little play game? I just really. I get it. I'm trying to set you up for success here. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
48:44Shannon Sharpe:The headlines. The Buccaneers informed rookie Shiloh Sanders today that he's being waived. His agent, Drew Rosenhaus, Robert Bailey, a former teammate of mine with the Ravens, added, we're hoping he'd get claimed of waivers. Ocho, where do you think Shiloh will land? You know what? I'm not sure where he will land. there's some teams out there that could use some depth, especially at the safety position. I'm not sure what the Bengals look like in the secondary. I think Steelers can add, the Saints can add to their secondary as well. He's going to get claimed. Where he gets claimed, I'm not sure where that will be yet.
49:27Listen, for one, he has awesome representation in Robert Bailey and Drew Rosenhaus. Obviously, they represented me while I was playing. In my tenure, so he will get picked up. Where he gets picked up, I'm not sure, but he has the right person in his corner to make sure he gets another opportunity to play the game that he loves.
49:45Shannon Sharpe:Sometimes your last name can be a blessing and a curse. It's not normal that free agents have breaking news that they're being released. He's an undrafted free agent, and because his name is Sanders, the blessing and the curse, people say, well, Sean, he only got an opportunity because his last name is Sanders. I haven't I mean maybe you can recall the last time an undrafted free agent it was breaking news that he was getting released well getting waived whatever the case may be go ahead Ocho anytime it's a rookie especially undrafted rookie the only time they make the news uncle is when they get in trouble right is there an arrest of some sort anything coming out of college where they've gotten in trouble and but that's pretty much it because of the last name is why it's breaking news and um it just it's like you say it's a gift and a curse yep and um i just you know hey you sit back and you reflect and you're like okay it didn't work out here maybe somebody gives me an opportunity it works out somewhere else um you don't know uh this is the first time that shallow has been told he's not good enough i mean he's been a phenomenal player obviously he His first start was the University of South Carolina.
50:59Shannon Sharpe:He got a D1 scholarship. His father gets the job at Jackson State. He goes and joins his father and his brother at Jackson. And then when his dad gets the head coaching job at CU, he follows the two sons, follow their dad there. This is the very first time. And it's really hard because think about it, Ocho. I think he's 24-25. And for the first time in 24-25 years, somebody has told you you're not good enough. Now, it's one thing if you get cut from your high school team, you get cut from your junior varsity team or something like that. He's 25. But think about it. Think about this, ladies and gentlemen.
51:36Shannon Sharpe:I mean, for the first time in your life, you're in your mid-20s. Yeah. Before somebody ever tells, someone ever utters to you, you're not good enough. Forget it be a sport. Maybe it's a job. Maybe it's something. But to be told you're not good enough. because your whole life you've dreamed about being an NFL player or your whole life, your dream job, whatever the case that may be. You've dreamed about holding this dream job. And then all of a sudden they're like, you're not good enough. Per Yahoo Sports, we're told that Buccaneers enjoyed having Shiloh in the building, viewing the son of Deion Sanders as a good kid, who's at all times respectful to everyone.
52:17Shannon Sharpe:Shiloh could, in theory, sign with the Bucs practice squad after clearing waivers. The bigger question is whether he's good enough to compete and play at an NFL level. That's always the case. That's what you weigh, Ocho, because if you bring somebody back on the practice squad, you're saying with a year under his belt and our system. Developing. We think he can develop into a player that could play for us. Yes. He had offense, defense, and maybe he's just a backup. Maybe, hey, they pay backups just in case people didn't know. They do pay backups in the NFL. And, you know, he can be a special teams player.
52:56Shannon Sharpe:Punt, punt return, kickoff, kickoff return. Maybe he could be whatever the case may be. Now, that's what the Bucs organization, that's what they have to weigh. Todd Bowles and that staff. I forget the general manager. I just was reading something the other day about the general manager because he was talking about, what's the linebacker that they let go? he was LSU they ended up letting him go and he would go to Philly now he's found a home I think he's at the Texans maybe the Raiders whatever the case may be but I just saw his name that's what you have to that's what you're up against you got 16 spots so that's a lot of people that you can bring in all those 16 players Ocho basically we're saying that we believe with another year in our systems offense or defense we think down the line he just needs a little bit more time to develop we think this kid might turn into a pretty good player for us yeah absolutely let's let's take another look at it let's let's get a let's get a bird's eye view let's stay with let's stay with him for a year and let's see what kind of player he he uh turns into so hopefully that's something if he doesn't get claimed off waivers hopefully he gets an opportunity uh either it's the bugs or someone gives him an opportunity because maybe he just needs another a year to develop into an NFL player.
54:15Shannon Sharpe:Maybe that's the case. Maybe it isn't. Everybody, everybody, that particular dream, everybody doesn't get to realize it, Ocho. Yeah. Yeah. Because. But you know what? My brother had a very interesting take on a dream. He said, you know what a dream is, Ocho? A dream that comes true. He said, it's a gift to yourself.
54:40Shannon Sharpe:a dream is a gift to yourself you i had very similar dreams i need to play in the nfl got to there are no other options i didn't have a plan b i got my degree but my plan a b c all the way through z was go play in the nfl and my determining factor was to get my family out of the situation now my brother gave us a head start but i wasn't that wasn't good enough for me he did it i i never thought there's there was nothing that my brother ever did that i didn't think i could do not one thing he like i like he went to college man i know i can go to college even though i wasn't the student that he was I didn't he applied himself I never applied myself I was you know hey I got this god-given ability I'll be extremely talented that'll get me by um it's an amazing I think it's amazing when I see kids that come from lineage like a time um like a Clay Matthews senior like a Bruce Matthews son yeah um Peyton Manning when your your father has something and you still have a burning desire to get it for yourself.
55:57Shannon Sharpe:That's very impressive to me. Coming from our situation, Ocho, it's easy to be motivated. Oh, yeah, yeah. Being hungry, being hot, being cold, it's easy. Being rained on, it's easy to develop motivation. But what happens when you have none of those extenuating circumstances? Yeah, yeah, you got to want it. You got to want it. You got to be self-motivated too. And you got to understand when you have fathers that played in the NFL, that were very, very good, not just, you know, your regularly average players, then also as a child, having to live up to that height, having to look at the comparison of your father.
56:35You're not being as good as your father just yet, maybe, but sometimes the pressures of having to live up to in the shadow of a father that was extremely good at his craft can also, it can be demoralizing at times. Yes. Not focused and locked in. I mean, a great example of one of the players who was able to do it, T.O., Terrell Owens' son. You know, I'm sure he's had to deal with all the outside noise, but having a father like T.O. that's going to make sure you're prepared for all the nonsense it comes with, don't worry about trying to be me. Just be you. Just be the best Tariq Owens that you can be.
57:12Hell, this past weekend, what did he do? Scored? Pops? You know? That has to be one of the greatest feelings in the world to have a son, to overcome that or a daughter, whatever respective craft it is that they do or choose to be in, that has to be a dope, dope feeling.
57:31Shannon Sharpe:Of course. I think the thing is, Ocho, the biggest thing is, are you living in your parents' shadow or are you embracing it? That's a good one. That's a good one. I would never force my child to do anything they don't want to do, Uncle. No. I would never force my child to do anything. Listen, I would love, I would love it. You know, if you want to play football, so be it, but it's nothing that will ever force you to do. You know why? What did we force you to do? You know why? Because playing football was your dream. You don't know if that's their dream. See, a lot of times when people force their kid to do something, they're living vicariously through the child.
58:03Shannon Sharpe:Now, I'm not saying in all situations, because I think everybody wants their child to be successful at his or her chosen path. Right. But a lot of times we see the behavior. And kids think about now, oh, my son going to the NFL. My son going to be a major league baseball player. My son going to be a basketball player. let the kid let a kid be a kid right you you're not supposed to look at your child as a paycheck you're not supposed to look at your child as the way out that's a good one that's a good one oh you're not supposed to live vicariously through your child because you weren't able to achieve the dreams that you you couldn't do it so now you're gonna put that hey hopefully the child embraces and wants to be that whatever he or she chooses and then you nudge them along in that direction.
58:48Shannon Sharpe:Don't, hey, this is what you want to do. And my son very early on, he said, this ain't me. This ain't what I want. I got a question for you. Now that we're talking about that, it's a great topic to talk about. When you think about fathers like Joe Jackson, fathers like Tiger Woods, Pops, Serena and Venus Dad, Beyonce father, fathers that actually understood early on this is what you guys need to do to be able to reach success. You talk about prodigies, though. You talk about, you talk about, you talk about, you talk about what? But you got to understand, as fathers, you never know that these prodigies are going to be what they turned out to be.
59:30You think Beyonce's dad understood that she would be one of the greatest of all time? I mean, she's just singing in the choir, you young. Joe Jackson, you have sons that are talented. You have to put them through the work to actually get to that clinical that you envision. Is that not almost like the same thing? They seeing something that they weren't able to accomplish and they feel that their child or kids should be able to live out their dream?
59:57Shannon Sharpe:But if you go back and think about it, go back and listen to the parent. The kid was excited to get up the next day to go do it again. Okay. They never had to force the child to go do it. Right. They never like, come on, Tiger, you got to get up. Tiger was four or five years old. he already had his bag he was ready to go yeah Beyonce they never had to drag Beyonce into rehearsals or say you need to practice she was raring to go Mike he's with the Jackson 5 you say we got a group nice little group hey and I'm sure but and and you know a lot of times you know it's hard Tiger had a very strained relationship with his father because of the things that transpired in the household with his mom we know Mike had a very troubled relationship with his father.
1:00:44Shannon Sharpe:He ended up firing his dad as soon as he left the group. I think in 79, fired his dad. All of them ended up firing their dad as their manager. Right. So we understand, but as a child, you don't understand that, Ocho. You don't. You don't understand that he, your parent, mom, or dad is trying to push you in a direction because they see something in you that you don't see yourself. Yeah. But the child has to want it because if he or she begrudgingly do it, Yeah. Listen, when they get old enough, when they get old enough to make their own decisions, all the work that you put in, it's going to go to waste because the child is going to turn.
1:01:20Now, you know what?
1:01:21Shannon Sharpe:That ain't what I want. We've seen them. Man, I just, man, I ain't even want to play no more football. I ain't even want to play no more basketball. And that's, and here's the thing. I saw somebody and he said, he said two things, motivation and discipline. When you're not motivated, are you disciplined enough to go do what you need to do? Yeah. motivation oh yeah oh I'm motivated oh boy boy boy yeah yeah yeah and the motivation is not there because you're not going to be motivated every single day every single time but will you be disciplined understanding and realizing what it takes to get to where you ultimately wants to go two more examples what's that ball and what he did with the ball yes and Amon Ross St.
1:02:07Brown's father as well hey Hey, magic.
1:02:11Shannon Sharpe:Great creed magic. Yeah. But he said, hey, the boys, hey, they wanted to be at the gym. Yes. It is easy when someone is motivated and they're disciplined. That's the easiest person because you look at the greats. Michael Jordan is extremely talented. Look at the motivation. Look at the discipline that he had. Look at LeBron. Look at Kobe. You look at the greats are the greats. Yes. Not only are they extremely talented, they're extremely driven individuals i'm talking about obsessed yeah yeah serena was obsessed that's when you get when 20 30 40 years from now when we talk about some of the best of the best female tennis player that's why she's always going to be mentioned because she was obsessed with it yes she's ultimately talented to be able to for her to be able to move around the court like she could with that powerful forehand.
1:03:10Shannon Sharpe:Federer. He's like he's on clouds. He's ballet. He's Baryshnikov with a racket. But we wish the best for all these guys. But some of these sadly is going to come to an end. Some of these guys are not going to get what do we call it, Ocho? Practice squad opportunities. Some of these guys, it's the end of the road. Saturday, August 22nd in Tampa. Witness an MMA legend's final fight. Chris Cyborg, one of the greatest in history. She's an absolute pioneer in the sport. Defense her PFL world title one last time. Unforgettable end to an unforgettable career. Saturday, August 22nd live from Benchmark International Arena.
1:04:00Shannon Sharpe:For tickets, visit pfl.info. I'm Nick Turturro. You probably know me from NYPD Blue, The Longest Yard, or Spike Lee's Black Klansman. And on my new podcast, Delivering Happiness with Nick Turturro, I deliver pizza to a new guest. I've shared a slice with everyone, from Seth Rollins. What are you doing with my belt? To Bill Burr. I don't think I've ever met somebody so exactly out of their mind as I am. And now, we even have more great guests coming up, including the great John Turturro. It's called happiness. Delivering happiness. And many, many more. Open your free iHeartRadio app, search Delivering Happiness with Nick Tutorial, and listen now.
1:04:38Hey, Portlandia fans. Carrie Brownstein and Fred Armisen here. The dream of the 90s is alive in podcast form. We're launching Podlandia AO Rewatch, our brand new podcast where we revisit every episode of Portlandia together, breaking down sketches, going deep on our iconic characters, and pulling back the curtain on how it all got made. And we'll also be joined by the people who helped bring it all to life. guest stars, collaborators, and friends, including director Jonathan Kreisel, the mayor himself, Kyle McLaughlin, legendary musician Amy Mann, and many more.
1:05:08Shannon Sharpe:Kyle is going for it here. You fully improvised not just words, but a song about it. Well, I thought you were all going to write a song. I remember you thinking that. Listen to Podlandia, AAO Rewatch on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? I'm sports journalist Ari Chambers. Hey, what's up, y 'all? It's your girl, Sam J. And we're the hosts of Everyone Watches Women's Sports, a new podcast from Together and iHeart Women's Sports. We're breaking down the biggest headlines. Naomi Osaka showing out. Shout-outs to you, Naomi. The viral moments. I've been obsessed with Kershawn Rock's boxing journey.
1:05:43She looks good. Her combos are swift. And the stories everyone's talking about across women's sports. Because everyone watches women's sports. Listen to Everyone Watches Women's Sports on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
From the publisher
Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the biggest NFL stories of the week on Nightcap! The guys react to the latest in the Cleveland Browns QB saga and Shilo Sanders' being waived one day after being ejected for throwing a punch
0:00 - Shedeur Sanders disappointing end to preseason
24:23 - Shilo Sanders ejected from Buccaneers' preseason finale
38:43 - Sanders waived by Bucs one day after ejection
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