In short
NFL Week 17 discussion focused on whether the Ravens should bench Lamar Jackson for Tyler Huntley, plus reactions to other Week 17 games (Broncos vs Chiefs, Lions vs Vikings) and broader playoff/seed implications.
Guests
The episode is a two-host sports debate with “Ocho” and “Snoop” (referred to as Tyler Huntley). No other guest identities are clearly stated in the transcript.
Key claims
- Ravens: Lamar Jackson isn’t looking like himself after injury; Huntley gives the “best chance to win,” especially with a hamstring/back injury limiting Lamar’s legs.
- Counterpoint: Lamar is still a superior QB even at “70%,” and benching him is unnecessary.
- Broncos: Sean Payton/Broncos played too conservatively with Bo Nix despite winning 20-13; defense was conservative but effective.
- Lions: Dan Campbell/Detroit’s offense has fallen off (runner game disappeared; offensive line issues); quarterback instability is the core problem.
Notable examples
- Ravens: Huntley’s 18 carries, 128 yards, two TDs vs Green Bay; debate references Lamar’s lack of mobility in recent weeks.
- Broncos: Bo Nix 26-38, 182 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT; Chiefs missing Mahomes and key defenders.
- Lions: Jared Goff sacked 5 times; Vikings forced 5 turnovers; Jameer Gibbs fumbled; Lions playoff hopes damaged.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VODebating Lamar Jackson's Start
2:44 to 4:50
A heated discussion about whether to start Lamar Jackson or Tyler Huntley.
“The winner takes the AFC North and the number four seed in the playoff.”
Comparing Quarterbacks: Lamar vs. Huntley
4:50 to 6:40
Analyzing the strengths and weaknesses of Lamar Jackson and Tyler Huntley.
“I hear what you're saying loud and clear.”
The Importance of Health in Playoff Decisions
6:40 to 10:00
Discussing the impact of player health on starting decisions in critical games.
“Oh, he had one great game where he isn't the reason why we won.”
The Pressure of Playoff Performance
10:00 to 14:01
Examining the risks and pressures surrounding playoff performances and decisions.
“All them coaching jobs that I said you need to be, you can't be no coach.”
Broncos Win with Conservative Play
17:52 to 22:50
Analyze the Broncos' performance and strategy against the Chiefs.
“The Broncos are one step closer to winning the AFC West and clinching the number one overall seed.”
Concerns About Playoff Readiness
22:50 to 28:00
Explore concerns regarding the Broncos' preparation for the playoffs.
“We can sit back here and just play ball.”
Analyzing Sean Payton's Strategy
28:00 to 28:26
A discussion on Sean Payton's game strategy and its implications.
“I remember going to Kansas City in December, and I ain't getting no weather like that.”
Turnovers and Their Impact
28:26 to 29:21
Exploring how turnovers can dictate playoff outcomes in the NFL.
“and not give them short fields, don't give them pick 60s, don't give them scooping scores, don't do what Detroit did.”
Broncos' Performance Review
29:21 to 30:16
Analyzing the Broncos' recent performance and player contributions.
“I'm going to forgive that one but that touchdown No, no, no.”
AFC Playoff Picture
30:16 to 32:06
Discussing the implications of recent games on the AFC playoff standings.
“I mean, I don't know if Trey Smith played, so probably the only really starter that's in there is probably your left guard and your center.”
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Lions' Downfall and Play Calling Changes
36:24 to 38:26
Examination of the Lions' poor performance and changes in their play calling.
“This is Matt Rogers from Las Culture East.”
Quarterback Development Issues
38:26 to 41:26
A critical look at quarterback development and its effects on team performance.
“Ain't nobody want to talk about that because they won the first time he took over.”
Assessing Team Strategies and Future Prospects
41:26 to 42:00
Analyzing NFL teams' strategies and their future prospects post-season.
“They should be kicking themselves about letting Sam Donnell walk out that goddamn dope.”
The Importance of Passing in the NFL
42:00 to 43:19
Explore the necessity of quarterback passing skills for winning championships.
“because they were a running team now the likelihood of you coming into the NFL you're gonna have to throw your way to a championship.”
Evaluating Quarterback Performance and Injuries
43:20 to 45:28
Discussion on how injuries impact quarterback performance and team success.
“But look, I think it's only fair that Dan Campbell gets some criticism because we applaud him when he goes forward on fourth down.”
The Quest for a Franchise Quarterback
45:29 to 48:20
Analyzing the challenges teams face in securing a top-tier quarterback.
“Obviously, he's like, man, I won 14 games last year.”
Jettas' Performance and the Quest for 1000 Yards
48:21 to 49:51
Discussion on Jettas' remarkable stats and the pressure to achieve milestones.
“He's going to go down as one of the best to ever play this game and accomplish stuff in such a short amount of time that not very many have done before.”
Analyzing Coaching Decisions and Team Performance
49:52 to 51:48
Debate over Dan Campbell's coaching decisions amid a disappointing season.
“I'm sure the Vikings organization, the play caller, head coach, They're going to make sure he does get it to keep that historic pace and what he's done since he's entered the NFL.”
Evaluating the Raiders and Seahawks' Struggles
51:49 to 56:00
Insight into the poor performances and future decisions for struggling teams.
“I want to talk about one play with Hutchinson.”
Assessing the Raiders' Struggles
56:00 to 58:06
Discussion about the performance and future of the Raiders.
“What does Pete Carroll do at this point?”
Tyler Shook's Rise with the Saints
58:06 to 1:01:56
Analysis of Tyler Shook's performance and potential as the Saints' quarterback.
“You need defensive players to go along with Max Crosby if you're going to keep him.”
Falcons vs. Rams: A Closer Look
1:01:56 to 1:08:46
Breakdown of the Falcons' surprising victory over the Rams.
“All right, guys, we're going to get you out of here after this.”
Eagles' Performance Questions
1:08:46 to 1:10:01
Discussion on the Eagles' recent struggles and what to expect moving forward.
“Didn't they beat the Buffalo Bills 30 to nothing?”
Eagles Offense Struggles
1:10:01 to 1:10:20
Discussion on the Eagles' lack of offensive performance in the second half.
“The Eagles are not as vaunted as they were last year, Ocho.”
Impact of Player Absences
1:10:21 to 1:10:50
Analyzing the effect of Devontae Smith's absence on the Eagles' performance.
“because the Eagles defense, the Eagles defense will show up.”
Falcons vs. Rams Analysis
1:10:51 to 1:11:40
Evaluation of the Falcons' performance and standout player B. John Robinson.
“So I'm assuming that when he gets back, now the thing is, Ocho, you know hamstrings, they like warm weather.”
Sean McVay's Play Calling
1:11:41 to 1:12:40
Discussion on Sean McVay's strategy and the challenges faced by the Rams.
“He's had a couple of national televised games.”
Coaching Responsibilities and Challenges
1:12:41 to 1:14:20
Exploring the burden of coaching responsibilities during losses.
“But they'll fake it, and then all of a sudden he'll go to the far cross or he'll go to the seven.”
Falcons' Talent and Future
1:14:21 to 1:15:20
Discussing the talent on the Falcons' roster and expectations for playoffs.
“So the last weekend should have come down to you guys and Carolina and Tampa for the division.”
Division Dynamics and Expectations
1:15:21 to 1:16:44
Discussion about the competitive nature and expectations within the division.
“because didn't they take it might be a third year old if I'm not mistaken this is the second year because remember they took Penix Jr.”
Eagles and Falcons Rivalry
1:16:45 to 1:18:36
Exploring the rivalry and historical context between Eagles and Saints fans.
“The Bears will fall down to the three slot and the winner of the NFC South will be in the four slot.”
Referee Decisions in Critical Moments
1:18:37 to 1:20:34
Debating referee decisions and their impact on the game's outcome.
“They hate New Orleans, hate them, and they hate New Orleans.”
MVP Discussion: Drake May vs. Matthew Stafford
1:20:35 to 1:24:00
Analyzing MVP candidates and their performances in Week 17.
“You hold one hand down the best way you can.”
Analyzing Quarterback Decisions and Coaching Strategies
1:24:00 to 1:26:55
Learn about the nuances of quarterback decisions, coaching styles, and player performance in the NFL.
“Not because of Josh McDaniels, not because of Mike Vrabel, but Drake May, because he's the one who has to make those decisions with the ball.”
Transcript
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2:41Shannon Sharpe:The Ravens and the Steelers will play Sunday night in Pittsburgh. The winner takes the AFC North and the number four seed in the playoff. The loser, their season is over. Yeah, they lucky we not in it. I know that. Ocho, I'm interested to see if you agree with me. Talk to me. I'm starting Huntley.
3:05What? What you playing, Madden? Nope. You talking about real life? Yep. Man, please. You tripping. You can run the same offense you did, right? Yep. And make sure you stick to the same formula when you got Ocho back there. I'm talking about eight. I'm talking about a young boy from Pompano. Just run the same form. There's no need to start. Huntley,
3:27Shannon Sharpe:you put the... Because I know he's back there. So I'm going to ask him to do more. No, you don't have to ask him to do more. If that was the case, why did you do that against New England? He was in the backfield. 18 carries, 128 yards, two touchdowns. So why haven't you been doing that? If you got eight back there. You know he came off a hamstring injury. Why didn't you do what you did with Huntley in Green Bay? You hear what I'm saying, right? You're just coming off a game, right? You understood what you had to do to win. You understand how you won. Common sense as a coach from upstairs to downstairs, you take the same formula you beat Green Bay with and you do the same thing against goddamn Steelers.
4:13Shannon Sharpe:Let me ask you a question. Is Lamar going to be able to get out of harm's way like Huntley did last night when Green Bay? Are we questioning Lamar Jackson's ability to speak? I'm questioning, has he looked like Lamar Jackson since he's gotten back? No. Why not? You said he's Lamar Jackson. You said don't question his ability. Has he looked, since he came back from that injury, has he looked like Lamar Jackson? No. No, not the one. Why not? because he's coming off an injury. So therefore, start Huntley. Thank you. See? That wasn't so hard, was it, Ocho? Nah. I don't like where you're going. I hear what you're saying.
4:57I hear what you're saying loud and clear. You don't like where I'm going. I don't like where you're going. That's like saying, well, hell. You know what? Just for the sake of argument. Okay. Patrick Mahomes not playing well, right? No. Let's say Josh Allen's not playing well, or Joe Burrow's not playing well, what we're used to seeing him look are you saying put the backup in like no it just makes no sense
5:20Shannon Sharpe:no no no no no Ocho we've seen it before we see guys hold on let me ask um in 1990 Jeff Hartsteadler uh-huh Phil Sims injured Jeff Hartsteadler stays in goes through they win the Super Bowl all I'm saying is we know Lamar Jackson is a better quarterback but Lamar Jackson isn't healthy. Therefore, if he's not healthy, and this is the problem that we have. A 70 % Lamar Jackson is better than anybody. Are you telling me 70 % Lamar Jackson is better than a 100 % Huntley?
5:58Shannon Sharpe:Absolutely. What are we talking about? Well, if that was the case, they shouldn't have gone to New England. They shouldn't have gone to those games. The problem is, think about what you would have happened. Think about when Lamar went out, if you start Huntley instead of Cooper Rush. See, their lives That's the problem. You started a guy that hasn't played well. That's neither here nor there. This is a whole different argument. I believe you should have started Huntley to begin with. But I'm saying this based on what I've seen. Plus, he's got a hamstring and he's got a back injury. I'm starting Huntley.
6:33Okay. Listen, we can agree to disagree on that. But I'm going with the player who gave me my best chance to win. I'm going with my two-time NFL MVP. I'm going with him. I am not. For one game? Oh, he had one great game where he isn't the reason why we won. The reason why we won is because of what the young bull did in the backfield. What are you talking about?
6:55Shannon Sharpe:That King Henry. We going to come back to this. Ocho. What's up? We put a poll up. It's closer than you think. Only 54 % of the chat said they would start Lamar Jackson over the Steelers next week. Hey, you know what? What's up? This is dumb. This is a funny one. This is a funny one. Because the fact that we have football people that enjoy the game, that have watched Lamar Jackson play, whether hurt, whether injured, whether healthy, that would actually sit him down for Tyler Huntley, who I respect. I like Snoop. I much respect Snoop, obviously, in understanding that they won the game running the ball.
7:43It had nothing to do with the quarterback play. Yes, it did. Ojo, don't do that. I'm confused. Ojo, don't do that. I didn't do nothing. You did.
7:53Shannon Sharpe:Derrick Henry ran for 2 ,000 yards against the Green Bay Packers. So what about that touchdown pass? What about those timely throws? They didn't mean they didn't do nothing, huh? What about those timely runs? Y 'all can't be serious. You can't be serious. I'm dead ass.
8:18I'm confused. You see, I'm confused. You have your season on the line with a chance to not only win the AFC North, but to make the playoffs. And you talk about starting your backup. What are we talking about?
8:34Shannon Sharpe:You make it seem, so let me ask you a question. If Lamar Jackson is healthy, why wasn't he starting in Green Bay? He wasn't healthy. There you go. That's my point. Well, he's going to be healthy this week. How are you so sure? What do you mean how I'm so sure? How are you so sure you're going to be healthy? Who said that? You a doctor? No, I ain't no doctor. Last I checked, you're not Leanne Curl. I know Leanne Curl, the team doctor. But I can tell you this. I guarantee he'd be healthy. Now, I bet he'd play. I guarantee you that. I'm saying, Ocho, all I'm saying is, is that he needs to be 100%.
9:11Shannon Sharpe:or as close as possible because if he's not Ocho... Who's 100 % in Week 18? Snoop Huntley! Snoop Huntley! Snoop Huntley!
9:24Nobody on the NFL roster is 100%. You heard me? Nobody is 100 % on the NFL roster in Week 18. Snoop Huntley is. So Snoop Huntley... So if that's the case, they might as well just let Lamar Jackson go since you believe in Snoop so much.
9:39Shannon Sharpe:Wow, wow, wow. If you believe in Snoop so much to care. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. If you believe in Snoop Huntley that much, they might as well let Lamar Jackson go. If you believe he should be the quarterback of the future. If that's the case. Nah, ain't nobody said that. That you ain't making no sense. So you couldn't be no GM. You couldn't be no head coach. That's what I could. You know what? All them coaching jobs that I said you need to be, you can't be no coach. First of all, First of all, you couldn't be a GM because anybody from Florida, anybody from Florida going to get a$100 million contract no matter what position they play.
10:19Shannon Sharpe:You're not going to criticize any wide receiver. So that's first and foremost for you. Hold on. Hey, hold on. I've been very critical now. I've been very critical. I done got way better than that. Oh, no. Oh, hell. You know what? You're acting like, you know what this reminds me of? What? When Jerry Jones said, we're going to be all right, we're going to be better without Micah Parsons. That's what you sound like saying Tyler Huntley needs a star for the goddamn Ravens. We're going to be fine. That gives us our best chance to win the game against the goddamn team. I believe a healthily Huntley will be more effective than a so-so Lamar Jackson.
11:02Shannon Sharpe:If Lamar Jackson, we're not even having a conversation. But the mere fact that he was out, Ocho, you know, you've seen him play. He's not the same. His legs aren't the same. You know it. I'm not saying the guy's not a – this is not to take away a two-time MVP. We're not talking about anything like that. What we're talking about is that he doesn't look the same the last three, four weeks of the season. He doesn't. And anybody that's watching and being honest knows that Lamar Jackson doesn't look the same.
11:45A Lamar Jackson that doesn't look the same. A Lamar Jackson that doesn't look the same, the past three weeks that you talk about is still better than 90 % of the quarterbacks in this NFL. I ain't talking about 90 % of the quarterbacks. I'm talking about the quarterbacks that are on his roster. Over him. Like, come on, man. What are we talking about? Come on. don't do that come on now come on now i like hold on matter of fact you drinking tonight nope you mean you saying this shit sober sober tweeted it early too
12:22yep hey hey you know what hey you hey you throw this hey you i'm being punked on you you No, no, I'm dead ass on you. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Hey, I know ass can hear me. Ass, you punking me? Nope. Man, come on, man. Hey, but you know what? That's okay. That's okay. I mean, that's how you feel. Me, you know, I'm not even a Ravens fan. You know, but I understand. I mean, you should be.
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13:29Oh, yeah, you can. We're not as fortunate as the Chiefs. We're not as fortunate as the Eagles. You know, we had a down year. We'll be back next year, though.
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17:57Shannon Sharpe:The Broncos are one step closer to winning the AFC West and clinching the number one overall seed. With a win tonight, if the Chargers were to lose at the Texans, they would be the number one seed. But that remains to be seen. But the Broncos win tonight 20-13 over the Kansas City Chiefs. Bo Nix 25-38, 182, one touchdown, one interception. He was also sacked once. They had 32 carries, a buck 28, 26 pass attempts, completion, excuse me, 182 and one touchdown. Kansas City, Ola Dukun was 13-22 for 66 yards. They ran the ball for 82 yards. So barely, barely, less than 150 yards of total offense. It looks like tonight, Ochoa, the Broncos, like, look, we don't believe they can move the ball up and down the field on us.
18:52Shannon Sharpe:Let's not do anything careless. Let's not get reckless with the football. They were very, very conservative, very, very generic. And the play selection in which they ran, and they were able to escape a division arrival without one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL, Patrick Mahomes, down two starting corners, the Kansas City's defense, and the starting offensive line was in shambles. But I thought they did a great job against the number one sack team in the NFL. They only gave up one sack, and he did a great job of getting out of harm's way. Ocho, watching this ballgame, what did you like about what you saw from the Broncos and what didn't.
19:25I mean, I didn't like the fact that they played down to the competition. I would have loved for Sean Payton to be a little bit more aggressive, obviously trusting Bo Nix. To me, it almost seemed what the way the play calling was tonight, knowing that they're down and don't have Patrick Mahomes at the helm, let's take advantage of this situation. Let's take advantage of them being that they don't have Patrick Mahomes and let's put the pedal to the metal. Let's be aggressive. Let's allow Bo Nix to put up those type of stat lines he put up the past two previous weeks. It didn't look like that tonight.
19:56Tonight, it looked like the Broncos played down to their competition. I mean, that's what it looked like to me. I'm not sure what the problem was. At some point, they're going to have to let Bo Nix off that leash, y 'all. They got to let him off that leash. Especially once you get to the playoffs, I know you want your defense to be able to carry you through the way. But your quarterback, your quarterback is going to have to come through for you at some point. They did win, though. There's nothing I can say.
20:24Shannon Sharpe:They won, but you don't accept anything in a win. You wouldn't in a loss. And had you lost this game, you'd have been very disappointed in your performance. And I love the Broncos. I don't make any bones about that. There's nothing to be ashamed of. But for me right now, looking at this team over the last three weeks, I think they're closer to being one and done than they are winning a playoff game. Because in the playoffs, a team can grab the momentum and you'll find yourself down 14, 17 points in the blink of an eye. in the blink of an eye and I see some things that's concerning for me and I've watched it look you can't listen if you got Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes you can keep winning these one score games in the regular season and it will translate into post season because they've been there and they've done that you're talking to a quarterback that's never been there and done that and the game got out of hands last year against Buffalo so he don't know what it's like to be in a nip and tuck ball game post season You think the pressure is immense in the regular season.
21:26Shannon Sharpe:You times that because it's finality. You lose that game, you're going home. See, you lost last week against Jacksonville. Guess what? You played Thursday night. In the playoff, there is none of that. And so that's concerning to me because I see some things consistently. And sometimes it's Sean Payton. I don't get why all of a sudden he's in a situation like moving the ball good, and then he gets a bright idea. You know what? Let me show my genius. And he just tries something. off the cuff, that really doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. The defense was the defense tonight. I thought they would get after him a little bit more than what they did.
22:00Shannon Sharpe:I thought they was very conservative. They didn't bring pressure Ocho. They just played a lot of base defense and just sat back and covered. They knew they had nothing to worry about. Patrick Mahomes wasn't there, so you know what? It's really no need to do that. Obviously, the backup quarterback, the backup quarterback, Ola Dukon, he got legs, huh? He got legs. Now, you bring pressure if you want to. When he come out of that backside, I don't know if he can hurt you. So, I mean, what they did, they had a great game plan defensively. If you don't mind me asking, Ocho, when people attack the Raven, when people attack Josh Allen, what do they do?
22:33Shannon Sharpe:Do they sit back there and play or do they bring pressure? They bring their goddamn pressure, boy. Because I want to make a decision right now. You want to speed it up. You want to speed it up. Okay, I'm with you when you're right. But they didn't see him as a threat, huh? They didn't see him as a threat, which is why they played the game, played the game the way they did. Yeah, we good. We can sit back here and just play ball. I ain't got to do nothing extra. I ain't got to do nothing exotic. I'm just calling my defense. Y 'all boys do what y 'all do. I agree with you. I just think the last thing is I'm not so sure.
23:08That last play to Hollywood Brown, look, he couldn't set his feet.
23:14Shannon Sharpe:The ball sailed on him. It got a little high.
23:20Shannon Sharpe:but for it to come down to a throw at the end of the game and when you're down they're down their starting quarterback their mvp quarterback they're down that offensive line they're down two starting corners and all you can muster was 20 points and i understand it's a rivalry game i understand it's on the road but there's a chance you don't get home field and you're on the road so then what and every team that you're faced are is better than kansas city is right now Every team, whether it's the Texans, whether it's the Chargers, whether it's the Jags, whether it's the Patriots, I don't care who you're going to face come postseason.
23:52Shannon Sharpe:Everybody, because of their quarterback situation and because of their defense is banged up and their offensive line is banged up, I don't know. The thing that I know is that when you're playing your best football heading into the playoffs, that normally bodes well for you come postseason. Yes, most definitely. You want to be hitting on all cylinders. Obviously, it takes for the goddamn head coach to have goddamn trust and confidence in his quarterback to be able to make the right decision with the ball. And that opens up the playbook. That opens up the playbook. And we can tell those who watch the game and those who play the game, they can tell when the head coach trusts in his quarterback by the goddamn play calling.
24:31What you drinking over there, huh? You see my cooler? I got a little cooler. That's a cooler.
24:37Shannon Sharpe:Where you got a little mini cooler from? Where that cool? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. It ain't got no bingo no one. I'm not saying I don't want one. I ain't never seen no cool as that goddamn small, boy. I ain't never seen nothing but small either, but it's refreshing. You got it for Christmas?
24:55Shannon Sharpe:Mmm, that cool, refreshing drink. Okay, what kind of drink? What you drinking in there? Whoa, what was your crema? Hey, crema, you drink? I mean, you drink? I mean, you have some. Oh, so, hey, I know what it is. That's a little eggnog in there, huh? Ain't no edge Ain't no edge
25:18A little something
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25:54Shannon Sharpe:man Ocho I be like Superman lay in the bed I can't even lay down on my stomach in the bed if I pop one of them I be man the last thing I want to do is Superman Ocho hey um You got to go out the new year. You got to go out the right way now. We only got a few more days. Oh, the new year? Oh, I'm out like a scout of the new world. He the new year? I'll be 26. You know what I'm saying? My probation officer said I've been doing good. He said I ain't went too far. He said that time with Ocho, he said that was pretty funny.
26:30Shannon Sharpe:But other than that, he's been good. So we might have to move your date up a little bit. I said, okay, I sure appreciate that. Yeah, we can move it up. We can damn, we can damn sure move it up. Listen, we only got about how many days left in the new year? What, six? The day that we only got six. Yeah, we good. You might as well start. You might as well warm it up right now. Yeah, we only got six. RJ, I mean, look. It's a quick, I'm not making excuses, but it's a fast turnaround. First of all, it's Christmas. You just played Sunday. You're a little sore. A lot of people probably want to be with their family and got kids and want to open presents, especially if you're the road team.
27:16Shannon Sharpe:You're the road team. And you're playing the last game of the evening. So not only because at least the Cowboys or Detroit, they're going to get back in time in order to do something. Man, the Broncos are not going to get back till, well, it's two hours difference in a time, so it's one hour difference in a seven. They might get back. Nah, so you leave the stadium at an hour. Take your hour to take off. It'll take you about an hour and a half to get there. So it's going to be probably about midnight, maybe 1 o 'clock, if everything goes according to plan. But look, it's tough playing a division game.
27:48Shannon Sharpe:Kansas City is not an easy place to play, but you couldn't ask for better conditions. You could not have asked for better conditions this time of year for Kansas City. Nobody had on sleeves. Nah. Nobody. It was so warm. You're like, I'm like, damn. I remember going to Kansas City in December, and I ain't getting no weather like that. Hell, I remember going in November and not getting weather like that. So the weather was perfect. But a part of me can't understand what Sean Payton was thinking. He's like, look, this team, unless we do something crazy, we give them a pick six, we give them a scooping score, and that's how they scored.
28:23Shannon Sharpe:If we don't turn the ball over, they can't beat us. So if we make them run the field, if we make them go the length of the field and not give them short fields, don't give them pick 60s, don't give them scooping scores, don't do what Detroit did. They saw what Detroit did earlier, Ocho. Six turnovers. That's how you get beat. That's how you get eliminated from the playoffs. We saw this with Detroit last year against Washington in the divisional round. They had five turnovers. Jerry Goff had a day. I mean, he messed his plans today. but the Broncos look Bo Nix 26-38 182 one touchdown one interception nothing to write home about there was nothing really to write home about I kind of feel bad for the fans that stayed up and kind of watched this game because what they were hoping for I felt Courtland Sutton had a couple of plays on his hand that he let get away from him look that first one you're a pro bowl receiver you probably should come down but that's okay I'm going to forgive that one but that touchdown No, no, no.
29:25Shannon Sharpe:The first one on third down that he dove out, Bo Nix stepped up in the pocket. I kind of forgive that one because he dove for it, and he didn't get a chance to bring it in. So in the process, by the time he got that, it hit the ground and popped out. But that touchdown, you got to have that. You got to – you definitely – you got to have that because you can't – Oh, the one that – the drag, the crossing right that got up on the pad. Yes, yes, yes. Hey, Bo put some heat on that one, boy. Yeah, okay, okay. He's going to have to learn some touch, Ocho. Everything you can't be throwing through a hurricane.
30:02Shannon Sharpe:Have some touch. Have some touch. But look, I mean, Kansas City couldn't have any more worse luck than what they had. Your starter gets hurt. Your backup gets hurt. You're down your two starting corners. You're down your right tackles. You're right. I mean, I don't know if Trey Smith played, so probably the only really starter that's in there is probably your left guard and your center. But they battled. They'll be back next year. The Broncos, I'm sure Sean Payton's like, hey, we won the ball game. It was a short week. Congratulations. Now you get some time off. Tomorrow's Friday, so you probably get Friday.
30:40Shannon Sharpe:They'll probably get the rest of the week off, Ocho. Probably get Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I'll see you guys on Monday. Listen, you might as well. You might as well. Look, we in week 17. Week 17, uh-uh. Yeah, man. You know, everybody's in rhythm. A lot of them boys to rest up, recover, spend time with the families. You know, we just played Sunday. We came right to return right around, turn right back around and played Thursday. I mean, we played Thursday and turned right back around and played Sunday. Y 'all go ahead and chill for a little bit. Mm-hmm. Their one win away. Look, the Broncos inch closer.
31:14Shannon Sharpe:All they need now is for the Chargers to lose. If the Chargers don't lose, the Chargers play the Broncos, the final regular season game, Ocho. If the Chargers beat the Broncos and beat the Houston Texans, they win the AFC win.
31:35Shannon Sharpe:And they're trying to do everything they can to hold on to that number one seed because New England's in position to get it.
31:46Shannon Sharpe:and Jacksonville is in position to get the number one seed. So this is a very important game for the Broncos. We'll see what happens this weekend. They get an opportunity to sit back and relax and say, okay, we've already taken care of our business. Let's see what happens this weekend, and they'll know definitely what they need to do come weekend and next weekend and see if they can clinch that number one seed and the AFC West division title. But so the Broncos are 13-3, Ocho. The New England Patriots are 12-3. Jacksonville's 11-4. The Steelers are 9-6. That is your division leaders as we currently speak.
32:26Shannon Sharpe:The Chargers are 11-4. Buffalo is 11-4. And the Houston Texans are 10-5. So those are your wild cards as we currently speak. Now, obviously, the number one seed, the one seed, two seed, three seeds, all that can fluctuate. All that can fluctuate. But as we sit right now, the Broncos are the number one seed at 13-3. The Patriots are the number two seed at 12-3. Jacksonville is the number three seed at 11-4. And the Pittsburgh Steelers are the roundout, the top, the division winners, division leaders at 9-6. So there are going to be a lot of people scoreboard watching on Sunday, Ocho. You know how it goes.
33:07Shannon Sharpe:Oh, okay, we're here. Let's see what they do. Come on, man. Stand at the scoreboard the whole game. You're going to be cheering for teams that you normally hate. Like, I don't know why I got to cheer for you guys, but come on. You hate being in that position where you have to rely on someone else for your destiny. That's one of the worst feelings in the world, boy. Copenhagen's spit-free pouches are packed full of American-grown tobacco. Made for welders. Stuck behind masks. More mechanics. Stuck on a fused spark plug. The long-haul trucker is stuck in gridlock. For foreman working late at the field office.
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37:39Shannon Sharpe:The Lions playoff chances ended with a 23-10 loss to the Vikes. Sorry. The Lions entered the season with the fifth best odds to make the playoffs, but now have dropped four of the past five. Goff was sacked five times. The Vikings defense first forced five turnovers by him, two interceptions, three fumbles. Again, Goff had five. Remember, in the divisional game against the Washington State Handlers, he had five. He had five today, and Jameer Gibbs fumbled. So they had six turnovers. Entering tonight, Ocho, they only had turned the ball over eight times. All season. The fewest in the NFL with the loss of Detroit has now lost more than the previous two seasons combined.
38:20Shannon Sharpe:And Dan Campbell won't run away from retooling the roster in the offseason, wherever it's necessary. But hey, I think we need to talk about something. We need to have a real conversation. Who started calling the plays? Who took over the play calling, Ojo? Mr. Campbell. Uh-huh. Ain't nobody want to talk about that because they won the first time he took over. And everybody was talking about, whoa, yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay, now. Let's talk about that. It look good. I'm trying to see when it comes to the play calling, I'm trying to talk about the runner game. What happened to the goddamn runner game?
38:51Jameer Gibb was on fire week to week. I'm talking about back-to-back weeks. He was putting up crazy numbers, hitting his head off the goalpost from way out there in the field. Then all of a sudden, the past, what, four, five weeks, the runner game has been abysmal. It's somewhat disappeared. I'm not sure what's going on with the goddamn offensive line. What the hell is wrong with the goddamn center? He forgot how to snap the goddamn ball.
39:16Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, and your left tackle, you got Skipper playing at left tackle when really he's a swing lineman. He comes in, Ocho, he always reporting, rubbing himself, letting officials know that he's eligible. He's not a guy. No. Unfortunately, Ocho, Pene Sewell, he's your best offensive lineman. You might have to kick him to the left side. Yeah, you got to. You wasted him on the right side. Yeah, you have to. Listen, he's a Swiss Army knife, huh? He can do just about it. He can play right guard, right tackle, left guard, left tackle. He can do it all. He's that good at what he does. And the fact that, hey, um, goddamn Brosmer was 9 for 16 for 51 yards.
39:589 for 16 for 51 yards. This ain't Pop Warner. This is an NFL game. This is a chat. This is an NFL game. The stats for a starting quarterback, he's a backup, but he was started tonight. in a real game. In a real game where you got one of the top three receivers in the NFL on your team in Justin Jefferson. Huh? With another great duo right alongside him in Jordan Addison. Like, is the quarterback play that bad? Is there a development problem when it comes to quarterbacks in the NFL for you to have one of the... I'm talking about with your eyes closed. I can get the ball to goddamn Justin Jefferson.
40:35What are we talking about? He got to be frustrated. I know a lot of people be like, oh, he's not like that. He's not into drama. He's not a diva. The hell you say? Man, y 'all better wake up, man. The man wants to produce. He wants to be able to, you know, help his team win. Justin Jefferson had four catches for 30 yards. Unk, he can catch four balls for 30 yards. Walk him to his car.
41:02Shannon Sharpe:With me. Come on, man. Well, that's not his fault. That's the organization's fault. Everybody don't know how to build a team. The quarterback carousels, the inconsistency at quarterback with a starter, the starter who continues to keep getting hurt. There's always something else going wrong with him. But hell, the more and more the season goes on, the more they should be kicking themselves about letting Sam Donnell walk out that almost curse. But I ain't going to curse. They should. They should be kicking themselves about letting Sam Donnell walk out that goddamn dope. they absolutely should Ocho and being cheap I mean think about what they paid him I think Seattle paid him 30 million dollars maybe 33 million dollars a year gave him some incentives could probably bump it up to 35-40 and that's a bargain the guy won 14 games for you last year so you're gonna go with an unproven guy and I look I get it we took JJ McCarthy I had my concerns about McCarthy because they were a running team now the likelihood of you coming into the NFL you're gonna have to throw your way to a championship.
42:07Shannon Sharpe:You're not running your way to a championship. Look at all the running quarterbacks. Name me one that's won a championship running a football. Steve Young had to figure out how to throw it from the pocket. My guy, number seven, had to throw it from the pocket. Lamar Jackson's won MVPs because he's gotten better throwing from the pocket. You've got to throw it from the pocket. And so it set up my mind like, hold on, y 'all taking a guy this high? And all he did was basically turn around and hand the ball off to Charbonneau and Corm and y 'all think that's the guy that's going to take when y 'all got Jetta and y 'all got all these high power weapons and y 'all feel comfortable with that?
42:45Shannon Sharpe:Okay. Y 'all know more than me. Y 'all scouted more than I did. Okay. I get it. But he stayed, he got injured. He missed his entire year. How many times have you been nicked this year and had to sit out? There's a reoccurring theme. Now your backup Look, Carson Wentz, he got hurt. No surprise there. He's always getting hurt. And now you got a guy that's kind of bounced around, and I don't know what you expected to get out of him. Nine of 16 for 51 yards. He was sacked seven times. But look, I think it's only fair that Dan Campbell gets some criticism because we applaud him when he goes forward on fourth down.
43:31Shannon Sharpe:We applaud him for having this team ready to play. All I know is this. Brian Flores better be getting some serious consideration. Because look at the job that he's done against the Detroit Lions in back-to-back week. Now, imagine if you had a quarterback. We're backing up that could get backed up by that defense. Yeah. You got Dallas Turner. You got Van Ginkle. Oh, that defense is legit. Harrison Smith is still playing at the top of this game. Absolutely. Murphy Jr. just imagine if you had an offense that can put them in a deficit, that can put you in a deficit more times than not instead of you playing from a deficit because they know, look guys, if we fall behind man, there's a good chance we don't lose because we ain't got an offense that can go get points like that.
44:20I mean the funny thing about it, when you think about it they got the offense. They just missing one piece. They missing the centerpiece. They missing the most important piece. They missing the one that makes the most money for a goddamn reason. The quarterback. That's all they're missing. That's why you understand quarterbacks don't come around that often. They're very extremely hard to find. For those in the chat that have been watching the game of football for a very long time, you understand by watching and understanding maybe your team might not have a quarterback and haven't had one for years.
44:50You understand how hard they are to come by. When you get one and you get a small sample size of what he can do, which Sam Donald showed you last year, you don't let him walk out the door because you just drafted somebody in with a 10 pick in the
45:04Shannon Sharpe:first round not at that price Ocho not at the price now if you had to pay him 50 plus million that's different that's different Ocho you got him for 30 million and plus a couple of incentives okay you take us back to you win the division we'll give you another million dollars you make the pro bowl I give you another million dollars you play 65 70 percent of the snaps I give you another million dollars. I'll incentivize it so he can get the 40 million so he feels good about himself. Obviously, he's like, man, I won 14 games last year. The team is back. I still got Jetta. I still got Addison. I got Hawkinson.
45:37Shannon Sharpe:I got Jones in the backfield. I'm good. Offensive line is a little beat up. We're coming and going, but hey, I'm good with that. I played behind it last year. I can do it again this year. I don't know what they were thinking. Quarterbacks don't grow on trees, not good ones. No. Absolutely not. I mean, look, on your grass, I mean, you can find vines and stuff and kudzu. They spread like wildfire. But really quality stuff you don't find often. And when you get a quarterback, and you've seen his body of work, so you know his study habits, you know his practice habits, you know how he performs in game situations.
46:14Shannon Sharpe:I don't know what more you need. You don't know what J.J. McCarthy habits are come game time because he hasn't been in one. Not a real game. Okay, his study habits. He heard. What else can he do? I think they dropped the ball on this, Ocho, considering what's in that division. You look at what's in that division. Caleb Williams not going anywhere. Jordan Love not going anywhere. Jerry Goff has another three, four years not going anywhere. You're behind. Your defense rivals all of them. But where you lack is your quarterback. That's the most important thing. That's it. so that's what needs to be Ocho in this game Jetta passed Randy Moss 8 ,375 yards for the most receiving yards by a player in his first six NFL seasons well he's gonna probably be upstairs and say hey man I need y 'all to go get me a quarterback because he's gonna pass it at eight because I'm struggling Ocho this man come on now Ocho 17 games a receiver getting a thousand yards it ain't nothing.
47:23Shannon Sharpe:That's basically Ocho that's basically 62 yards a game. And I'm paying 35 million for 62 yards a game Ocho? No. And that's not his fault. Ain't nothing he can do about that because he can't throw it to his damn self. You right. But you know what's going to happen Ocho you know what it is.
47:40Shannon Sharpe:Hey man you know hey I know it's not all your fault. Ain't none of it you mean all my fault. Ain't none of it my fault. You know the game. You know the game. And listen What I do like about Jettles, Jettles, he's pure class, huh? He's pure class, you know? He say all the right things. You put that camera in front of him, you ask him the right question, he's going to give you what you want. He's going to give you everything you want. But I know how he really feel. You can tell it in mannerism. You can tell about how he walk. You can see it in his eyes, you know? But he hold him back. So I'm hoping management does their due diligence in addressing the situation and getting young Bull a quarterback because he's on a historic run.
48:20he's on a historic run and going to go down to one of the best to ever play this I almost cursed again. He's going to go down as one of the best to ever play this game and accomplish stuff in such a short amount of time that not very many have done before. And him not having a quarterback, an adequate quarterback, it's hurting. It's hurting.
48:41Shannon Sharpe:It absolutely is hurting him, Ocho. And the thing is, like you said, those historic numbers, and you look at what he – man, this man missed damn near half the season, came back and got over 1 ,000 yards and made the Pro Bowl. Now he says, I played a full season. And you mean to tell me I got to struggle? I got to go into the last game to get 1 ,000 yards? And put up his numbers. What does he have right now? They might have to force feed him to get 1 ,000, Ocho.
49:08Shannon Sharpe:You might win out.
49:14You got me?
49:15Shannon Sharpe:Are you muted? Okay, my bad, my bad, my bad. Yeah, I mean, hold on. I thought he was at 1 ,000 already. I don't know. Hold on, let me see. He can't be that far behind.
49:27Shannon Sharpe:He need to go in the next week. And go crazy? Nah, he don't need to go crazy. He got 947. He's 53 yards short. He had 40 tonight. So it's not out of the realm of possibility. Okay, so is J.J. McCarthy coming back next week? If J.J. McCarthy coming back? No. He fractured a bone in the throwing hand. I don't give a fuck. Nigga, wrap that bitch up. Come on back. He can't grip the ball. Use your left hand. You let your... Hell, he can't throw with his right. Hey, come on, man. I mean, listen. 50 yards, they can get it 50. He got to get that 1 ,000 yards. He has to get that 1 ,000 yards. I'm sure the Vikings organization, the play caller, head coach, They're going to make sure he does get it to keep that historic pace and what he's done since he's entered the NFL.
50:21Keep it going. And I have one question I want to ask you about the Detroit Lions chat. You guys chat. You guys chime in, too. Do we give Dan Campbell any kind of grace? Do we give him some grace? I know we love his bravado. We love the fact that he's very confident in his players, his team, especially offensive, because he's one of the few coaches. Regardless of analytics, regardless of what anybody says, he always goes for it on fourth down. but do we give him any grace even though this is a failed season right because of the injuries he's had on defense this year
50:53Shannon Sharpe:no they had those injuries last year and they still did it
51:01Shannon Sharpe:I mean you take the points early and last week you kicking you kicking a ball to win the game in Pittsburgh against Pittsburgh at home his play calling and have left something to be designed. I mean, hey, let's just call it what it is. I mean, he took over the play calling, and since he's taken over the play calling, they've lost four of their last five games.
51:24Shannon Sharpe:Because we sure gave him credit. We sure lauded him when they won and he started taking over the plays, and he let it be known that he was taking over the play calling. So, no, we don't do no excuses here. Aiden Hutchinson is being Aiden Hutchinson. Jack Campbell was all over the field today. Muhammad doing what Muhammad does all over the field today. The defense didn't play bad. Bro, it's hard to overcome six turnovers. Absolutely right. Hey, please tell me. Listen, I hate to go back. I want to talk about one play with Hutchinson. Please tell me you saw him do that Euro step spin. Oh, my God.
52:05Shannon Sharpe:If you had any doubt, if that leg was healthy, exhibit A. Hey, that move's so smooth. Yeah, yeah. And quick. Hey, that was nice. That was nice. He got a nice little bag on. He got a nice little toolbox on him. Nice little toolbox. Mm-hmm. And then he got Muhammad on the other side. Mm-hmm. Muhammad flushing one side. Hey, it's like a hunting. You know, the pornos go in there and flush the game out. I pick him off. Okay, you flush him to the left, I got him. You flush him to the right, I got him. we work with that hey y 'all collapse the pocket inside so he can't step up he gotta come look here he gotta come out of one of these two holes hey I got Muhammad plugging one and I got Hutchison plugging the other he got nowhere to go
52:59Shannon Sharpe:look he got the most yard for the first six years I don't know I don't know how much he'll have it because Chase right behind him You know what? I mean, those two are going to be neck and neck throughout their entire career. Well, I think Chase is going to pass it because Chase got a quarterback. Now, I don't know how long Chase is going to have. If he wants to stay in whatever, that's a discussion for another day. But as long as he has him, he has a decided advantage. You've got to be careful because look what you just said. He has a quarterback. Now, there's only so many teams now that have quarterbacks of that magnitude where you can leave one team and go to the next, and that production continues to remain the same.
53:41Shannon Sharpe:It ain't that easy. Right. And you see, think about it. Look at what Jenna had. You say whatever you want to say, but first cousin, you protect him, he pick you apart. Surgical. And last year, he had no drop-off because Sam Darnold came in and played extremely well. So he had no drop-off from Cousins to Darnold. And then he gets J.J. McCarthy. He gets Wentz, and he gets Baltimore. And you see a precipitous drop. That's – So – It hurts me, and I'm just watching. It hurts me too, but I don't really know what else – I don't really know what else we can do, Ocho. I don't know what else we can do. Just hope, keep his head up because, look, we've both been in situations like that.
54:40Shannon Sharpe:You more so than me being a wide receiver and having a level of expectations and playing to a certain standard. Because people don't really care about the quarterback situation. They only want to see Ocho Cinco on the back of that jersey at 85. Why don't I see no dancing? Why don't I see no sombrero on the sideline? Why don't I see no jokes anymore? I don't see no antics? I don't see none of that. What's going on? Hey, I remember them. You see what's going on? I remember them days.
55:11Shannon Sharpe:The Raiders are in position to have the top draft pick, Ocho, after a 34-10 loss to the Giants. Vegas, 2-14, will secure the top pick with a loss next week to Kansas City. and quarterback Geno Smith is unlikely to play because of a high ankle sprain. He wasn't playing anyway. The Raiders get to reach 10 games, which matches the longest season streak and for the fifth longest in franchise history. They look bad. They bad. I mean, Chad, I don't really know what y 'all want me to say about it, but they bad. Hey, what were the Raiders going to do? I'm just curious. What do you do at this point? What does Mark Davis do at this point?
56:01What does Pete Carroll do at this point?
56:04Shannon Sharpe:They need to move on. Move on from who? I mean, Geno was 28 of 20. Kenny Pickett was 2 of 2, so 22 of 30. 168 yards, one touchdown, two interceptions. Ashton Gentry, 16 for 60. They had 20 carries for 63 yards, so basically 3.3 yards a carry. they're just bad. They're just bad, Ojo. Hey, you sound so disappointed. It is, Ojo. I mean, Jacoby Myers, look, I mean, he's a competent receiver. I mean, Myers played well for New England. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. I thought he played well for the Raiders. They just, now he's found new life. He made a huge-ass catch today. It was 3rd and 11, and Trevor Lawrence was under heavy pressure, and he threw it, caught it for 10, and they ended up going for it on fourth down and basically running out the clock.
57:06Shannon Sharpe:And a guy came in and threw a hair of Mary in the end zone that got picked. But, man, the Raiders just – Jackson Dart was 22 or 30, 207, no touchdowns nor interception. Tyrone Tracy, 14 for 62. Dart, 9, 48. Devin Singletary had 8 for 45, 35 attempts, 155 yards, three touchdowns, two of those by Jackson Dart. Wondell Robinson, 11 for a buck, 13. Wondell. Raiders just bad. Let's move on. We don't need to talk about them no more. I know. I'm just, what do you do? I mean, what do you do? I mean, chat. Maybe chat. Maybe y 'all have an explanation. Where do the Raiders go? What do you do? If you were Mark Davis, I just want to see in the chat.
57:48I'm just curious because I'm stuck. I'm at a loss for words. I can't even think of what they need to do to become better. I don't even know what position to start with.
57:57Shannon Sharpe:You need personnel, Ocho. They got no receivers. Your best players are tight end. You need a quarterback. You need offensive line. You need defensive players to go along with Max Crosby if you're going to keep him. Damn. Trade that number one. I don't know. maybe there's a quarterback in the draft that you like but you gotta build I mean that's a they bad they just bad Ocho they are they just bad Tyler Shook bad news bears bad yep Tyler Shook rallies the Saints with a big second half to beat the Titans by the score of 34 to 26 New Orleans may have just found their quarterback, Ocho. Tyler Shook is playing for the first-year head coach, Kellen Moore.
58:50Shannon Sharpe:The rookie improved to 5-3 as a starter, helping the Saints go 6-10, win their fourth straight. He outplayed number one overall pick, Cam Ward, in the NFL's third game between starting rookie quarterbacks this season. Shook, 22-27, a career-best 333 yards, two touchdowns, and a passer rating of 142.7. Chris Olave, 8 for Buck 19 in the tub. Juwan Johnson, 4 for 95. Dante Pettis, 3 for 53. Cam Ward was 21 of 40. 2-51, two touchdowns, no interceptions. Tony Pollard had 18 for 85. Okongwu, 3 for 55 with a touchdown. Dyke had Dikey. Is it Dikey? D-I-K-E. Four for 55. Van Jefferson had three for 46.
59:49Shannon Sharpe:Jeffrey Simmons had another sack, Ocho. Yeah. Ocho, I told you. I mean, look, we beat the kid up because I'm trying to say shock, and it's like pronounced shook. I'm like, man, this guy here. Tyler Shook. He balled his ass off. Yeah, he balling. DK? Huh? He balling. He balling. Hell yeah. I think, was it last week? We were talking about the Saints tonight. I thought... I said, Ocho, what if he's their guy? Yeah, I mean, I didn't know. I didn't know. And, you know, Saints fans got on my head. Oh, we've seen enough. You know, he's the future. I'm assuming maybe everybody likes him. Maybe he's the future.
1:00:30But I remember, you know, it was somewhat a merry-go-round, a quarterback carousel. It was Spencer Rattler. Then it was him. And I'm not sure if they went back to Spencer. It might have been because of injury or whatever. But then Shook came back, you know? And since he's come back, he has not relinquished that starting spot.
1:00:47Shannon Sharpe:And is not going to relinquish it. No. Yeah. Damn, Cam Jordan had another sack. Chase Young took the ball out of Cam Ward and ran a touchdown. Yeah, I saw that. He's starting to look like the number two overall draft pick. Yeah. This is what they envisioned. I mean, obviously, Washington, he was Defensive Rookie of the Year, goes to the Pro Bowl. He tears his knee. He's not the same player. Bounce goes to San Fran. He plays okay, but he wasn't great there. He's found a home here in New Orleans. And he looks like the number two overall pick. Sometimes you look at him, you question him more like, damn, son, you that big, that strong, that fast, you got to give me a little bit more effort than that.
1:01:28Shannon Sharpe:But I love the way he's bounced back this year. I love the way he's played. But Tyler Shook has played extremely well, Ocho. Kelly Moore, another guy, can dial it up, Ocho. Oh, yeah. He can dial it up. Yeah. Matter of fact, that might be a reason why they look the way they do. Yep. Absolutely.
1:01:51Shannon Sharpe:So, the Saints, 6-10, 34-26 victory over the Titans. All right, guys, we're going to get you out of here after this. Where we going? It's been a long day. We leaving? Time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. Damn, man. We just started.
1:02:19Shannon Sharpe:Kepra Norwood Jr., Ocho, I think you'll be good at being a comedian. You'll be great at coming up with jokes. Do you have a joke for us tonight?
1:02:30Hey, give me two minutes. Let me think. Let me think of something good because my last three jokes have been phenomenal. They've been really good. so I can't give you a dud. Just let me think of something real good. Let me think of something good. I'm going to come back to it.
1:02:46Shannon Sharpe:H-Bell OG almost called 9-1-1 the way the Eagles D-line harassed the Bills tonight. They did. They put Josh Allen under duress. It was that one turnover, Ocho. I don't know what he was thinking. I mean, he was talking about that was a forward pass. No, bro, the ball slipped out of your hand. It went way, way, way back, and they ended up getting points out of that. That's the one thing that he cannot do. You cannot turn the ball over, Josh. You know that. Yeah, and that's been his problem. That's been his Achilles heel, and he somewhat stopped doing it. And tonight was one of those nights where he tried to put everything was on him on.
1:03:27He had to put the team on his back, and he just couldn't get it done tonight. Yep.
1:03:33Shannon Sharpe:I'm G-L-Y-N for real. Let's go. Hey, Unc and Ocho. Thank you, guys. Thank you for support. Babin Patel, Steelers absolutely hosed by no call on pass interference on Denzel Ward. NFL had to make sure Steelers lost, so ratings be great for next week versus the Ravens for the division. Man, stop that. That wasn't no P.I. You know damn well that wasn't no P.I.
1:04:01Shannon Sharpe:The Atlanta Falcons pulls off a shocker with a 24-21 victory over the Los Angeles Rams. But it was B. John Robinson that had himself a night. And he showed you why he's going to the Pro Bowl. There's a great chance he's going to be a first-team All-Pro because the way he can start, stop on a dime. Hell, Ocho, I thought he was 4-4. That ain't no 4-4 could do when he got him. He should have had 290 yards. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And before you go talking about the game, I want to talk about B. John real quick and how especially – Go ahead. When I look at NFL history, all the running backs that had the agility, the quickness, the ability to jump cut, jump start, come to balance and reaccelerate again.
1:04:40I can only think of four who look like B. John Robinson. I think of Barry Sanders, for one. I'm not saying Barry Sanders. I'm talking about his style. I'm not saying Barry Sanders. We got LaShawn McCoy. Yes. We got Marshall Falk. And we got B. John. Now, for those in the chat that watch football understand what I'm talking about, I'm not comparing these players at all. I'm saying the style and play in which they run the ball and the abilities that they have when they have the ball in their hands are damn near similar.
1:05:13Shannon Sharpe:He definitely reminds me more of LaShawn McCoy. Barry was more of a two-foot jump stop guy and keep going. I mean, if you look at Barry, I mean, I've never seen a guy and you'll probably never see another guy that can do what Barry. I mean, his joints. I'm surprised he ain't got hip replacement and double knee and double hip replacement, Ocho, because you've never seen a guy that can start and stop. I'm talking about he hopped, stopped with both feet, shimmy, and then take off running again. He was unbelievable. But B. John Robinson, boy, boy, boy, boy, you special. But he reminds you. Let me tell you why he looks like Barry, because Barry can take a five-yard loss, and you forget that it was a loss.
1:05:57Shannon Sharpe:You're like, man, he shook six. people. Yeah, but he lost five yards. Don't worry about that. Don't even worry about that. It's second and 15, I know. But you see all those guys laying on the ground? He shook them. And that's what Bijan... I mean, that 31-yard run, Ocho, three guys had him down the right verse, I think, actually had him pulling him down. And how he get out of that, I don't know. I don't know. But they did win this ballgame tonight, 27-24, Bijan Robinson, 22 carries, a buck 95, one score. and he also had a receiving touchdown in the first quarter of the ball game and they took an early 21-0 lead, built that lead to 24-3, but the Rams come all the way back.
1:06:38Shannon Sharpe:They get a touchdown pass to Ferguson. They get a block kick. They score a field goal. Well, they score the field goal first and then they get the touchdown to Ferguson. Then they get the block kick and then they get the jet screen to Puka who gets the ball into the end zone. But the Falcons go down the field, bleed the clock. almost been a great catch by Puka. That was unbelievable because it looked like a catch. Also, until they showed that other angle where the ball actually came loose from his hand, it looked like a catch. It did. It did. Puka, man, listen, he's been making some unbelievable plays.
1:07:12He's been making some unbelievable catches, and that would have been a dope catch for him to come up with that one. But, I mean, the Rams did this to themselves, huh? Listen, the offense that we've seen play all year long, putting up 30, damn near 30, 35 a game. They just weren't clicking tonight offensively. And Matt Stafford didn't make it any easy. He didn't make it any easier throwing. Hell, he had what? What, five? Three picks. He had five interceptions all season long, and he comes in tonight and he has three.
1:07:41Shannon Sharpe:Those three. And look, he overshot. He overshot and based the third, got him, runs it back for a pick. But the three-by-two Ocho, he passed off three and jumps two. We just talked about that. Last week, the guy passed off two and jumped one. So we see that. That is a very common thing. They're like, bro, they're not throwing you the ball. They're looking to throw the ball. They're trying to get me up out of there so they can throw in behind me. I'm going to pass that off. Let the safety worry about that. And 31 made a great play. He had two picks tonight, which were outstanding. Yeah, but you said, Ocho, the Rams don't have anybody to blame.
1:08:21Shannon Sharpe:themselves. And it's kind of hard. It's like, no matter what, we're the fifth or the sixth seed. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? It's not like we can't win the division. We can't get a home game. So, oh, well, it is what it is. But you never know. I mean, hey, the seventh seed might make it and then you're the fifth or sixth seed and you do get a home game. So you never know what could happen. But the Falcons, and I told you, Ocho, I said, Ocho, the Falcons defense better than you think now. I say they can get a Floyd and Pierce. They can get after you. Ellis, I like that linebacker. I say they can get after people.
1:08:55Shannon Sharpe:Remember how they made Josh Allen look? Didn't they beat the Buffalo Bills 30 to nothing? Absolutely. The backing is really good too. AJ Terrell, Jesse. AJ Terrell played really well. You got Bates III. Xavier Watts had an outstanding game. They played really well today. Hey, they called holding. That wasn't a – look, I think they ended up scoring anyway, but that wasn't a holding. The lineman was going down. The left tackle go ahead and throws him down, and they called – because Puka made a great – that was a long touchdown pass. I think they ended up scoring on that drive anyway. But this was a game, and Zane Gonzalez made a 51-yard field goal with 25 seconds left, which turned out to be the game winner.
1:09:37Shannon Sharpe:The Rams will get the number five seed in the NFC if they win against Arizona, which is a home game, and the 49ers lose to the Seahawks. If the Rams lose to the Cardinals or the 49ers beat the Seahawks, the Rams would get the sixth seed. That might not be a bad idea because you get an opportunity to play the Eagles. The Eagles are not as vaunted as they were last year, Ocho. They're not clicking on all cylinders. 17 total yards in the second half. I think Jalen Hurts had two yards in the second half. I don't think he completed a pass in the second half. Looked at him. I don't think he completed a pass in the second half, Ochoa.
1:10:17I think that would be a good matchup, especially in favor of the Rams. The Rams being able to score it well, but it would be a good thing because the Eagles defense, the Eagles defense will show up. Now, what portion or what part of the Eagles offense are we going to get that game? Are they going to give us a portion of their offense that we just saw this previous weekend? Then they're going home early.
1:10:40Shannon Sharpe:well, Devontae will be back. You forgot Devontae been gone the last two games. And he looked good. I mean, he was warming up on the field. They kept him down. Yeah. So there's a chance that they keep him out one more time and give him another week. So I'm assuming that when he gets back, now the thing is, Ocho, you know hamstrings, they like warm weather. They don't really like the cold. You're going outside in Philly. And maybe that storm that hit the Northeast, hit New York and Philly and upstate, all that area, maybe that's blown over by that time. By the time they get there, it wasn't two weeks.
1:11:17Shannon Sharpe:Maybe that storm is gone and another one won't blow back in. But, yeah, I thought the Falcons played really good today. Cousins didn't have to do a whole lot. He was 13-20, 126, one touchdown. But B. John Robinson, they had 33 carries, 219 and a touchdown, and the one touchdown to B. John Robinson. But B. John was sensational today. I mean, what can you say? And I'm glad people get an opportunity to see him. He's had a couple of national televised games. But you get an opportunity to see one of the better backs in the league. And you see how he can catch the ball. He can run it. And, you know, if I'm teams, but I'm scary, I'm afraid, Ocho, that he might slip because I really want to blitz him and make him stand and block.
1:12:02Shannon Sharpe:But just my luck, I blitz him and he slip out. And get the balls on him. Yeah, he leaking the dial. That's one of the few players you don't want to see in space. No team player wants to see in space. It's not happening. So, obviously, Kyron Williams ran the ball. He had 13 carries for 92 yards, didn't have nearly enough. They had 20 rushes, 115. But because they fell behind by so much, it kind of neutralized the running game. They went back to it, but not nearly as enough as Sean McVay would like to call the running game because he likes to do a lot of play action off of the running game, a la Kyle Shanahan and the San Francisco 49ers.
1:12:41Shannon Sharpe:They do a lot. Even when they go in motion and they insert the wide receivers, a lot of times those wide receivers are looking to run crosser routes or they're looking to run sail routes because you see most times when people motion the wide receiver in and he leads up inside, it's like, oh, here comes the run block. But they'll fake it, and then all of a sudden he'll go to the far cross or he'll go to the seven. Yeah. But they didn't get an opportunity to do a lot of that tonight because they fell behind by so much. They turned the ball over. Atlanta capitalized on it. But this game, I am so glad the Falcons won because this thing would have been real.
1:13:16Shannon Sharpe:Hey, Mr. Blank would have been very disappointed with Raheem had he lost. Absolutely. It's important, obviously, that the head coach is responsible for losses like that. When when the onus is on the players, you know, the call the coach can do is they can coach. They can go through the X and the O's. They can get a game plan. They can get a scheme. They can tell you what we need to do, you know, and it's up to you. It's up to you to execute it. And when mistakes are made on the field, it's sad that, you know, the responsibility is on the coach when it's actually the player that makes those mistakes.
1:13:51That's the part that sucks.
1:13:54Shannon Sharpe:You know, they get a lot of credit when things go well, maybe far too much credit. and when things go bad, they get too much of the blame. But at the end of the day, I try to put you in the best position that I possibly can. Now it's left up to you to go execute those. But give the Falcons, they're still fighting hard. Now you look at them like, bro, the way y 'all play, it ain't no way y 'all should be under 500. Y 'all should have been. So the last weekend should have come down to you guys and Carolina and Tampa for the division. Not this, now you guys are playing, you know, want to finish out strong, be 8-9.
1:14:33Shannon Sharpe:Nah. They got too much talent, don't you? I mean, when you look at them, look at B. John Robinson and Algier, you look at the receivers, Mooney and Robinson and Calipas, Drake London, David Seals the fifth, stepped up tonight. They got too much talent on the offensive side of football, and their defense isn't bad. They can get after the quarterback. I like Leonard Floyd. I always thought he was good. I like Pierce, Ellis. The linebacker is really good. They got A.J. Terrell. They got good players. If I'm Mr. Blank, I'm giving Raheem an ultimatum. Bro, make the playoffs, so you got to go. It's really that simple, Ocho.
1:15:12Shannon Sharpe:Damn, man. Yeah, yeah. I'm with you when you're right. I'm with you when you're right. This is Raheem's, what, third year, yeah?
1:15:21Shannon Sharpe:It's his second year, isn't it? Is it third or second? because didn't they take it might be a third year old if I'm not mistaken
1:15:32this is the second year
1:15:38Shannon Sharpe:because remember they took Penix Jr. last year which was his first year right right right but you look at what they got they got AJ Terrell they got Jesse Bates III Leonard Floyd Pierce Jr. they got some guys those interior guys are really good they're not in the names like a jeffrey simmons they're not a name like a a a chris jones they're not a name like that but they're solid players yeah in that division ocho yeah yeah yeah you got to make the playoffs in that division because they ain't no ain't no hail races in that division there's some solid teams but they're not they're they're no there are no rams in that division there are no seahawks in that division There are no 49ers in that division.
1:16:22Shannon Sharpe:There are no Eagles in that division. There's no Chicago or the Green Bays in that division. No, that's one of the weaker divisions in football, and I expect better than what I got this year. At some point in time, Ocho, we can't keep kicking this thing down the road and say next year and next year and next year. You got enough. He's given you enough. Now it's time to go make this thing happen. You definitely have enough to compete. To compete. Definitely got enough. so it's going to be very interesting uh the 49ers the 49ers if they beat seattle they're the number one seed seattle wins seattle's the one seed those are the only scenarios those are the only scenarios good thing about those scenarios either way it go i'm in the playoffs Well, if the Bears, hold on, if the Eagles win and the Bears lose, the Eagles will go to the two slot.
1:17:22Shannon Sharpe:The Bears will fall down to the three slot and the winner of the NFC South will be in the four slot. So there's still very much, there's still a lot to play for. There's still a lot on the line and it's going to be very, very interesting to see what transpires. The Eagles got the commanders. Eagles got the commanders. The Cowboys got the Giants. That should be an easy out. I don't mean to be respectful for the Eagles. It should be an easy out. Now, I remember they ran the score up on them. They said, we got something for y 'all. We see y 'all in a couple of weeks. That's what they say, Ochoa? I don't know.
1:17:57Shannon Sharpe:That's what they say. Listen, I know one thing. We can't have the bottom of the offense fall out like it did last week. We can't have that. We can't have that. We can't. I'm talking about we. But anyway, you can't go into a second half with 17 yards of offense. You're not going to win that game. Oh, you're talking about the Eagles? You can't do that. Yeah, because you definitely want to be playing your best football going towards the playoff. You need that momentum. You need that momentum going into the playoff. Yeah. Yes. I agree. I definitely agree with you. But the Falcons win. They get an opportunity to close out the season on a positive note if they can go, if they can beat New Orleans.
1:18:31Shannon Sharpe:They got New Orleans, right? Yeah, they got New Orleans. 8-8-8. 8-8. They hate New Orleans, hate them, and they hate New Orleans. The fans hate each other. Hey, Ocho, you would think that this is Baltimore, Pittsburgh, or this is the Cowboys, Commanders. It used to be, you know, the derogatory term, the Eagles, you would think it was one of those. Ocho. It's bad. It's bad. You got to understand, and I'm just finding out about it. I'm just finding out about it. You know, here I go, trying to have everybody come together and have a kumbaya moment. you know it's a great game have Saints fans and Falcons fans sit together and enjoy the game and they told me Ocho wait a minute and they wasn't very hospitable when Hurricane Katrina hit either they wasn't that's when they was like ah don't break your ass up here go down to Houston or go to Gowl go somewhere don't come here I was like come on man y 'all can resume that on a later date time nah it's always been that it's always going to be there you know what I would love to know I would love to know the back story on why the hatred is the way it is I understand it's a division game you have your team that you love but it's a real hate when I talk to all Saints fans I talk to all for sure like there's they don't like each other for real what happened I need the back story on why it really is like that um Um, Ocho, do you think they could have called that?
1:20:12Shannon Sharpe:Because to me, it was an arm bar on Alfred on 2-2. Oh, yeah, yeah, Unc, you can't do that. Now, when you're hand fighting, it's okay. But you're behind. If you're behind, if you're even and you're hand fighting, that's one thing. That's fair. You have an opportunity to make a play for the ball. But knowing that you're behind and the only way what you can do, it's almost a better move too, Unc. You grab it. It is. You hold one hand down the best way you can. But it's hard for the ref whose body is being blocked by the receiver to see it. But guess who's not blocked? That back judge. The side judge might not can see it, but there's a back judge up under the goalpost.
1:20:51Shannon Sharpe:That's far enough back there. He can see it, don't you? You think he can see it? Hell yeah, he can see it. I think he blocked off. Because you've got to think, the way Tutu was going on the deep ball, The ball was over his outside shoulder. I know. It was over his outside shoulder. Remember? It was like this. I mean, the ref can't see what's going on on the other side. Think about it. If I'm going like this, I'm coming towards you. And I reach. He's got my left arm peeing. So theoretically, if the side judge is blocked, there's the back judge right there. And you know what? The side judge, is he all the way down the field too?
1:21:31Can he even see that? I don't even think the side judge got a visual
1:21:35Shannon Sharpe:he should because they'd be throwing flags out of nowhere from somewhere somebody be having yellow flags unless they're in the stands
1:21:48but it was great
1:21:49Shannon Sharpe:and I'm not so sure Ocho had he caught it because there was 10 seconds on the clock I'm not so sure Ocho they could have got everybody to the line and killed it to get a chance to get a ball off he was out of time mouse already? Yeah. They were out of time. That would have been tough. I don't know. I don't know, Ocho. They could have got down there in 10 seconds. Them linemen? Hold on. That's another thing. The NFL might need to go back. Why don't you allow people to at least get themselves set before you start? Nah, they ain't got nothing to do with me. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick.
1:22:22Shannon Sharpe:I'm letting that clock run. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. They ain't got nothing to do with me. Yeah, I think that's unfair. You should at least give the team an opportunity to get to the ball. once the referee sets the ball, then let the clock go. The clock's going regardless. So you try to get them old college rules. Yeah. Drake May just took a big lead in the MVP updated odds across all sportsbooks. Drake May had a total of two incompletions in Week 17. Meanwhile, Matthew Stafford threw three interceptions. Matthew Stafford now has updated. He has 42 touchdowns, eight interceptions. Drake may have 34 touchdowns, eight interceptions.
1:23:01Shannon Sharpe:But he was exquisite yesterday, and everybody saw it. And Matthew Stafford, everybody saw the three interceptions. So unless something – and I'm trying to think, who did the Jets play? The Dolphins?
1:23:21Shannon Sharpe:Jets played – no, I mean the Patriots played the Dolphins. played it off. Yeah. The Bills got a bye week. You know what I did too yesterday, I don't know if it was yesterday when we asked about who would be the MVP and I chose Matt Stafford. But what Matt Stafford is doing, he's supposed to be doing that. We've seen him do that before. And, you know, I want to make, I want to change my pick and not because it's a nice performance because I look at the body of work that Drake May has put over throughout the entirety of this season and how he's put the Patriots on his back and the reason, I mean, honestly, the sole reason why they're in contention this year and having a chance at going to the playoffs and playing for Lombardi Trophy in absence of Tom Brady is because of him.
1:24:06Not because of Josh McDaniels, not because of Mike Vrabel, but Drake May, because he's the one who has to make those decisions with the ball. And he's done extremely well at protecting the ball and making the most of all his opportunities. Yeah.
1:24:23Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, he's played extremely well, but I think we can't say enough about what Josh has done and Josh's ability to get on that wavelength. He understands the quarterback. He always plays to his quarterback strengths. We saw this when he had Tom Brady, and then you saw, I think, no, that was Bill O 'Brien there because of what you call him had already left Charlie Weiss. and I think Bill O 'Brien was there then. Wasn't Bill O 'Brien the OC in 2008 when Matt Castle came in? After Tom Torsney? Yeah. I think Bill O 'Brien was there. Yeah, he was. Because remember, when they went to the Super Bowl, they lost.
1:25:19Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Yeah. Bill O 'Brien was the head coach, wasn't he? I mean, the OC. Yeah. But you look at what he's been able to do with the quarter when he had Mac Jones. Mac Jones looked really, really well, went to the Pro Bowl. They went to the playoffs. Then all of a sudden, no, it wasn't all of a sudden. Josh McDaniels got the head coaching job. Oakland first. And instead of Coach Belichick hiring somebody, because look, Coach Belichick always keeps, he rarely goes outside. Normally the people that he hires, he hires from within. If you go back and study his history, Bill O 'Brien was already on the staff.
1:25:57Shannon Sharpe:And everybody that normally that he hires is already on his staff. Rarely, rarely does he go outside. And that's why he had Matt Patricia and Joe Judge take over the OC job when he should have gone outside. If you didn't trust somebody that was already on your staff, you can't hire a special teams coach and a defensive coordinator all of a sudden to be co-offensive coordinators and being a young player there. You just can't do that. But Matthew Stafford, yeah, he definitely hurt himself tonight. It reminds me of a situation that Patrick Mahomes was leading in the MVP race and they played the Atlanta Falcons.
1:26:37Shannon Sharpe:They won, but Patrick Mahomes did not play well. And Aaron Rodgers threw like three touchdowns and took over the lead and he ended up winning the MVP. So we might have a very, very similar situation on our hands. 63 % of the chat is taking Drake May for the MVP. 37 % is taking Matthew Stafford.
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