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26:39Speaking of disappointing teams, is there any more disappointing team than your Bengals? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. Why are we going to the Bengals game? The Ravens played at 1 o 'clock. That's okay. The Ravens played at 1 o 'clock. Y 'all play. We start and work our way back. Remember how we did that? Oh, that's what we're doing? Yep. Okay, well, go ahead. Let's talk about my back. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I mean, you do an awful lot of talking for a team that got beat by 13. Wait, by who? Jared Goff was 19 of 23. That means he had four incompletions, Chad. 258 yards. Three touchdowns. Damn. Three. David Montgomery even threw a touchdown.

27:27So in actuality, there was 20 or 24, 261 yards, four tubs, zero INTs. Hey, can I tell you something real quick? Hey, that man went home. He went home. Yeah, he went home. Hey, listen, he came home and showed out. He came home and showed out. But let's understand something. For one, before I even start, me, I got a chance to see Kirby. I got to see J-Mo. I got to see Amon Ross St. Brown. I got to see Terry Arnold before the game. You know, I exchanged some pledges with them boys, you know, and hoping we would have had a better showing than what we did. That's neither here nor there. No, you had the showing that you had.

28:13Listen, Jake Brown and Hunt, we are not a good enough team. We are not a good enough team to overcome three toneovers. We're not a good enough team. We got to be able to protect the ball. We got to be a protective ball. Goddamn Jamar Chase, Chase Brown, Pete Ryan. Boy, they fought they do you know what off. They fought they do you know what off. They'll find ways to make plays. Jake Brown is running for his life for the majority of the game and trying to make something out of nothing. He did his best. Chase did his best. I would love for us to get everyone else involved. I would love for us to get everyone else involved.

28:45We have to do a better line, a better job up front. We got to do a better job up front. Jake Brown and running around for his life is one of the reasons why Joe Burrow's hurt. I'm not saying no names. I'm not calling it no names. For those of you who are able to watch the game, you understand that. You understand that. We did the best we could. As a team, defensively, I thought we played well. I thought we played well. You gave up 37. Yeah. Listen, listen. We gave up 37 to a team that's probably ranked maybe number one. They took a knee on the 10-yard line. I know. You don't want to be disrespectful to us.

29:22Yeah, I want to be disrespectful. Yeah. Listen, they won the game. It's a good team. But again, I want to be openly and blatantly disrespectful. Okay, okay. Listen, it was a great win for the Lions. It was a great win for the Lions. I had a great time meeting many Lions fans, you know, this past three days. I salute y 'all. I love you. It was nothing but mutual respect with the trash talk that we were doing. But as you know, my faithfulness and my allegiance will always lie here. It will always lie with this. And I got to talk. I got to talk. And we lost today. And I bow my head with grace. And y 'all won the game.

30:01And it's nothing but love. It's nothing but love. It ain't no love. It's love. It's bitter hatred. No, it ain't no. Y 'all terrible. No, no, no, no, no. You did all that talking. Now look at you. Yeah, yeah, it's okay. Listen, I can sit here and say we lost. I bet Chase was a DB in high school, too, because he could tackle. He had three tackles in the first half. Look, at one point, Chase was leading in tackles on the team. That's what I know. That's what I know he played DB, too. He played on offense. Mm-hmm. But it's okay. I have a question for you, Unc. And Chad, I have a question for y 'all, too.

30:32Do you think – I love Zach Taylor. I love Zach Taylor. And I hate that people are saying, oh, the coach needs to be fired and all this. Listen, it don't matter who you're bringing in. Goddamn, you could have Jesus coaching. but when Jesus called them plays it's our job to execute them. It's 11 people out there on the field but one ain't running no offense. You ain't running no goddamn offense if you ain't got nobody blocking for whoever had the quarterback position. We can start there. That ain't got shit to do with Zach Taylor. We can start there but do you think we need to make a move and go get another quarterback?

31:08I just want to know because we only two and three. Where you gonna get him from? Amazon?

31:15because you talking you talking like they got one that you can order from Amazon and they give it to you and you get them next day listen you know the game I know the game do you want to salvage the season in some no you're not going to salvage nothing y 'all going to be done by Thanksgiving y 'all will be done by Halloween Joe is not coming back this year I'm not talking about Joe coming back. I'm saying getting someone in there at the quarterback position that can facilitate the ball and protect it at the same time. No, that's why they stick it with me. I don't know who your backup is, the Jake Browning, but I don't believe you're bringing somebody off the street.

32:01Ocho, over the last three games, you guys have been outscored 113-37. The 76-point differential narrowly missed the record 80 worst three-game stretch in franchise history. Bengals have three other quarterbacks on the roster. Brett Rippon, who played for the Broncos, Mike White, who played for the Jets and the Dolphins, and Sean Clifford are on the practice squad. Jake Browning threw three interceptions, and he had three touchdowns in garbage time. They don't mean nothing. Browning was booed after several drives in the first half. At one point, he was booed, and he led the offense as he led the offense on the field.

32:41Browning has thrown eight interceptions in four games. So you heard what you just said? He's thrown eight interceptions in four games. And you still think there's not a quality backup that's on another team. I don't want to say no names that can come in and come in. No. because he knows your offense the best. Your offensive line, they still haven't addressed that. And your defense. I granted that you turned the ball over three times a day. Three. But if you go back and look at over the last, I mean, the Broncos beat the brakes off y 'all. The team before that beat the brakes off y 'all. Y 'all defense isn't any good.

33:31I wish I could give it and say, make it better, but I can't. Y 'all defense aren't, your defense isn't very good. And when your defense isn't good, because here's the thing, your defense is the worst part of your team. Your offense is bad in turning the ball over, so the worst part of your team is playing the most. The last thing that you want, Ocho, you want the best part of your team to play the most. You want your offense to be on the field. So now your offense is turning the ball low, putting the worst part on the field. You know what? Can I tell you something? Yes. I don't like the way you worded that.

34:10I'm just saying, I don't like the way you worded that. I think I don't want to say we're going to be all right. Y 'all not. Let me finish. Let me finish. Okay. Let me have a little faith. Let me have a little faith. Okay. We got to have better quarterback play. the fact that you know Joe is out for us to even have a chance to be able to compete every Sunday no matter who the hell we playing we can't turn the ball over. Y 'all can't. Trade for Andy Dalton. Huh? Where Andy at? He at Carolina.

34:48No, we need a gunslinger. We need a gunslinger. Somebody that's going to let that thing rip. You hear me? someone that is experienced that has veteran presence well trade for Jameis then okay now we talking you say you want somebody to let it rip Jameis gonna throw now here's the thing Ocho you gonna have three touchdown passes you gonna have three interceptions too now he gonna throw for 350, 400 400 just so you know I'm just saying And listen, I love it. You remember that game last year against the Broncos? 4-97. But he had three picks in a football. Yeah. So I'm saying, would you rather us having Jameis or having someone at the quarterback position that can give us 4-97 or 500 yards passing and at least have us score?

35:44I'm sure Chasen Higgins would like that. Huh? I'm sure Chasen Higgins would like that. Somebody's going to throw the ball. Yeah, for sure. So if we're going to have a chance, if you say our defense is bad if we don't have a chance we gotta throw the kitchen sink oh well we can salvage in this season we're just two and three now we just took three you never know you know you never know what happened if i'm not mistaken we we second in division yeah yeah we second in division now we have time but i don't think given the circumstances in this division i don't think there's only one team going out of division now it might be a situation where you get three teams out of the AFC West.

36:22The Broncos, the Chargers, and the Chiefs. So, are you just... But think about it, Ocho. You got to look at the AFC South. Jacksonville lost one game. Indy lost one game. You saw the Texans win today. Yeah. Who did Texans beat today? Man, the Texans beat... There you go. You're trying to be slick. You're trying to sleep that with Indy. You thought you were slick, Ocho. Who did Texans beat today? Huh? You know who they beat today. I got it. I got it. He scored a touchdown in the same game for the 14th time. Right. Hiding an NFL record. Hey, can I tell you something? Huh? You know this is the first time the Lions beat the Bengals since 1992?

37:09It won't be the last time. Because I ain't never lost to them. Y 'all probably ain't never played the Lions. You played the Lions twice. Dre Bly was on me. Drake Blab is on me. That was my boy. And my boy, when we played him here in Cincinnati. But remember Lewis Delmas? Yeah. Yeah, hey. Boy, that boy know he can hit, boy. He know he can hit. But we ain't never lost to them. But again, salute to all the Lions fans. I know it's a lot of y 'all in the chat that are watching tonight. I salute you. Y 'all win the game. If I met you, it's all love. It's all love. And I'm going to get down to Detroit.

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43:16Jane Daniels playing for the first time in two weeks through for 231 yards. And he would cook him back at home. 27-10 win over the Chargers. With 39 yards rushing today, Daniels became the first player in NFL history with 4 ,000 or more pass yards and a thousand or more rush yards in his first 20 games. Justin Herbert was under duress, sacked four times, took nine quarterback hits, pressured 12 times before being replaced by Trey Lance. Herbert averaged 3.3 yards per pass attempt and threw his only interception when pressured by the commanders. Man, they got after him, Mocho. Yeah, they got after him good.

43:58They got after him real good. And this is the definition of when I always say any given Sunday, anything that happened, as good as the Chargers have looked since the beginning of the season, today, they ain't look like themselves. Not at all. Not at all. And you expect if you're a bet man, if you're a bet man, Jaden Daniels is first came coming back. He's coming off an injury. So, hey, if I'm a bet man, I'm better with the Chargers to win this one. In LA too? At that? I'm going to spoil Jaden Daniels coming back to LA. playing at home. And it absolutely did not happen. It did not happen. Jay Daniels, 15 to 26, 231, one touchdown.

44:38They ran the ball extremely well. 28 rushes, 163 yards. Debo got in on the action. Eight for 96 and a touchdown. Luke McCaffrey had a tremendous 50-yard catch to set him up for a touchdown. Keenan Allen became the fastest player in NFL history to collect 1 ,000 catches. It took him 159 games. Damn. Hey, they been dishing, boy, that ball, man. A thousand? Huh? A thousand? He got a thousand in 159 games. Oh, that's crazy.

45:19Yeah. How many catches you got, huh? 815. A thousand? A thousand. oh that's wow now it's going to be routine now people are going to think if you don't have a thousand catches now people are going to think you were the bum if you were receiving people have to also understand that the game has changed that's why I say if you don't have a thousand catches now it ain't like when I came in and you came in it was extraordinary I remember when Jerry had like a thousand damn and then And, you know, so now, I mean, you probably got what? You probably got how many guys got 1 ,000 catches? At least 12? That many?

46:03Maybe more. Maybe more. Right.

46:09Like Chris Carter, Tim Brown, T.O., Jerry. 15. Well, Heinz has 1 ,000. Yeah, Heinz Ward's got 1 ,000. But you got tight ends. You got Kelsey. You got Gonzo. Right. I think Steve Smith-Cee got a thousand. Gonzo got a thousand. Matt Fitzgerald has a thousand. Hey, man, them boys were getting that rock, boy. How many I got? DeHop has 989. DeHop has 989. He'll get a thousand this year. Jesus Christ. Devontae got 979. What I got? What I got? I need to come back and play.

46:57You got 766. That's it? Hey, I was sorry as hell. God damn. I think when I retired, I was in the top 10. It dropped down now. Jared Rice leads the way, 1 ,549. Larry Fitzgerald, 1 ,432. Tony Gonzalez, 1 ,325. Jason Witten, 1 ,1228. Marvin Harrison, 1102 Chris Carter, 1101 Tim Brown, 1094 T.O, 1078 Anquan, 1076 Reggie Wayne, 1070 Andre Johnson, 1062 Steve Smith, 1031 Isaac Bruce, 1024 Travis Kelsey, 1019 Hans Ward has 1 ,000 And Keenan Allen, just 1 ,000 So what year is this for Kenan? You're 11? 12?

48:07You're 13. Boy, I'm wheeling and dealing, boy. I'm 39th, Ocho. That's dope. That's dope. That's dope. I left in the top 10, so I ain't in the top 10 no more. Hey, listen. The Raiders were handed a 46, 40 to six drubbing by the Colts and Lucas Oil. Jonathan Taylor ran for three touchdowns and a two-point conversion. Indiana Jones, Daniel Indiana Jones threw for two touchdowns while playing another turnover-free game. And the Indianapolis Colts remained perfect at home. The Raiders are one and four. Worst start to Pete Carroll, head coaching career. I'm processing it poorly, to tell you the truth, because I didn't expect, I did expect to win right out of the shoes.

49:00Well, I mean, I mean, are you supposed to say something like that as a head coach? Is that supposed to be a response? Yeah, I mean, I think, I mean, ask Sean McDermott, did he think he was going to win? Hell, air coach, they didn't go to win. But how you going to win when your quarterback have three turnovers? I mean, Gino didn't play good today. He had two turnovers. Two picks. Bad. Indiana Jones, 20-29, 2-12, two touchdowns. Relieved by Anthony Richardson. Jonathan Taylor, 17 carries, 66 yards, three touchdowns. I mean, the Raiders aren't good enough to overcome the mistakes that Gino... No, no, no.

49:47They're not good enough. Not at all. It may be one, two... maybe three teams that are good enough to overcome multiple, multiple. Kansas City Chiefs are one of them. The Bills are another one. And maybe Lamar Jackson when their team is at full health, at full strength. But we saw the Bills not able to overcome turnovers tonight. It all depends on who you're playing. You're playing a good team, you ain't overcoming no turnovers. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. And now what happens is when you turn the ball over, one or two things happen. You either bring the team up to your level or you go down to their level.

50:27Yeah, one or the other. Yeah. Oh, you know what? Let me throw the Lions in that conversation as well. Yeah. And so, but the Lions, I think Indiana's getting everything. Look, it's five games into the season. Yeah. But I don't think the season could have gone any better other than the untimely passing of their owner, Jim Irsay. Right. I don't think the season could have gone any better for this ball club, Ocho. Mm-hmm. I mean, Daniel Jones is giving them everything that they could have hoped for and more.

50:59So they only had to throw it 29 times, which is not a lot, 25 rushes. So I think the season has gone unbelievably well for the Indianapolis Colts. Daniel Jones listen as much as I said about him I gotta take all that back I gotta take anything negative I said about Daniel Jones maybe it is the Giants and you don't want to say maybe it is the Giants because god damn Jackson Dart even though they lost today he cutting up he's cutting up well let's get to that game now you mentioned that the Saints get their first win over mistake prone Giants Giants rookie Jackson Dart pass for 202 yards and two touchdowns, but turned the ball over three times.

51:51Even Scatpack had a turnover. They had five total turnovers and they lost three fumbles. Darius Slade lost a fumble. Jackson Dart lost a fumble. And Scatpack lost a fumble. Five turnovers. Spencer Rattler, 21 of 31, 225 on a touchdown. Shahid had four catches for a buck 14 on a touchdown, including an 87-yarder. The Giants were in cruise control, and then they started turning the ball over. They turned the ball over like four consecutive possessions, and this is what you get. Absolutely. Rashid Shahid, I got a nice little tweet. He said, you need to fix my speed on Madden. He can run for real.

52:36He can go now. He can scat. He can go. That was a good thing. They get off the slide, and I know Jackson Dart wanted to, you know, he wanted to play well, but he was playing well, and then he just started turning the ball over. And that fumble really hurt them, scat-packed fumble the ball, and the guy runs it back 87 yards for the touchdown, and they never looked back after that. The Carolina Panthers overcame – ooh, you ought to be ashamed of yourself, Ocho. Oh, we talked about this game already. No, we ain't talking about it. Carolina Panthers overcame a 17-point first-half deficit to beat your Miami Dolphins 27-24.

53:21We need a little help, huh? Two up, 256, three touchdowns.

53:32Clean game, but Jay Lawato had six for a buck ten. Darren Waller had five for 78 in the touchdown. Devon A. Chan had six for 30 in the touchdown. Bryce Young, 19 of 30, 198, two touchdowns. But it was Rico Dadell. Dadell. 23 carries, 206. He's the third Panther to go over 200 yards rushing. 32 rushes, 239 yards. They play, if I'm not mistaken, they play the Cowboys next week, right? Doesn't Carolina play the Cowboys next week?

54:06Already? Yeah, he said, I'm going to get, I'll say, I want all that. Hmm. He want all that. Hey, my Dolphins, we going to be all right. Huh? Dolphins going to be all right. No, y 'all not. I don't know why you keep saying that, but y 'all not going to be all right. Can I tell you something? Yeah. The Dolphins are in a better position than the Ravens. You know that, right?

54:31Yeah, but the thing is that... I'm hoping you understand. What you mean better position? A better position going forward. one about to get eaten by a crocodile the other about getting eaten by a shark you think so yeah you sound real confident I mean the Broncos

55:02Ocho Dylan Gabriel had a solid rookie debut despite the Browns losing Dylan Gabriel was 19 of 33, 190 yards, two touchdowns, matching Joe Flacco touchdown throws on the season. With the defeat, Browns quarterbacks are 0-17 in their first start since 1995, the longest such streak since 1950 when quarterback starts were first recorded. Ocho, after watching him start early, after watching his first start, what do you think about Gabriel? What do you like? Dylan Gabriel looked good. He looked really good. But in Stefanski, Stefanski called one hell of a game, a very balanced game. The run in the pass was damn near equivalent.

55:44Dylan Gabriel processing, dropping back, gone. Read, read one, read two, read three. Okay, it's not there. Boom, I'm dumping it off to the flat. Everything he did in today's game was extremely clean, extremely keen. Defense played well. They didn't get the win. But what I saw from Dillian Gabriel, and it pains me to say this as a Bengals fan, is he look effing phenomenal. He look great. He look poised. They really have something good to build off of when it comes to the film room. Based on whoever they plan next week, he's going to be fine. He's going to be fine. Especially with the way he played and knowing Brian Flores and that defense and knowing how he can dial up that pressure and try to rattle a young quarterback.

56:30and he wasn't rattled at all. He handled everything extremely well. He did. I thought he played well. And like you said, considering who he was facing as the D.C. and the kind of exotic looks that Minnesota can throw at you and the kind of pressure they can generate, I thought he played really well. They did a great job of getting the ball out of his hand, knew they were going to try to put pressure on him, try to disguise it. Judkins ran the ball extremely well, 23 carries, a buck 10. so they ran the ball well enough so you just couldn't pin your ears back and fly, try to get the quarterback.

57:05I like what I saw. I really like what I saw. Look, Carson Wentz played well. This is why you get a veteran like Carson Wentz, a guy that can hold the ship steady until your captain comes back. He called a ward getting sneaky. You see him run a three-step go route on cover two. You see what they ran? They ran what the defense call it a yogi, what we call it a stick. and Ward was looking inside and saw the stick and he saw what you call a pull up he didn't realize he would throw the hole shot right behind him that was a heck of a throw Addison did a great job of staying wide because that safety is coming he did a great job of staying wide pin yourself to the sideline because if you get too far inside it's going to be a kill shot great throw by Wentz great route by Addison but I like Gabriel I like what I saw look it's one game but I thought considering on the road and overseas in London Brian Flores can do a lot of different things and he can fuse a lot of quarterbacks but I thought Cleveland did a great job putting Dylan Gabriel in a situation where he could have success they didn't get the win but if I'm Cleveland I'm like okay I think we might have something.

58:25Without the win I'm feeling good about that I'm feeling good about that. Defensively, they can always handle their business. Offensively, that's always been the struggles. What offense are we going to get? Now, get this offense that we saw today, where there was a heavy dose of run, there was a heavy dose of pass, and he made all the right decisions with the ball and didn't put the ball in harm's way. We can live with that. Well, excuse me, not we. They can live with that. Yeah. He looked good. He looked really good today. It is reported, I guess, Addison was benched because I don't know. I mean, they talked about because I read in the paper that he played really well, considering that he was benched.

59:03Now, I don't know the backdrop of the story. I don't know if he did something while he was over there in London. Maybe he missed bed check. Maybe he was late to practice, late to a meeting or something. But he was reported that he was benched. Go ahead. I think it might be a continuous on the suspension and them actually still having punishment for him as well. Why? You never know. you never know because if I'm not mistaken I might not be wrong I think he set out the what the first quarter I think he set out the first quarter or something like that I think he might have had to set out the first quarter of the last game as well I could be wrong I could be wrong I'm not sure but when he did he was benched because he wanted to explore London and missed a walkthrough for real that is what is being reported Ocho ain't nobody this ain't college he came off suspension he was suspended for three games by the nfl he played well why would why would why would i suspend him again that hurts me yeah hey hey would you say he wanted what he he wanted to explore london hey you can't do that man you can't do that man i don't you can't do that bro the last thing i would want to do is be alone considering what happened to the pittsburgh Steelers quarterback.

1:00:25The last thing I want to be in a foreign country as an American. I don't know if they noticed it, but we're not thought of too high in other parts of the world. I'm just throwing that out there, Ocho. We're not. We've got to understand over in London there's a lot of us over there. A lot of them. We're not thought of very highly in other parts of the country. Be it London, be it Ireland, be it anywhere. You are an American. Americans right now are not very thought of in a very high regard. Okay, I understand. And they probably said, look, security, we have security here. Just make sure X, Y, and Z.

1:01:08Hey, that's his... Hey, he wanted to do it.

1:01:16He did what he wanted to do, Ocho. You can't do that. game of the day though Ocho Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Seattle Seahawks boy boy boy what a game Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold Baker Mayfield 29 of 33 379 two touchdowns no interceptions Sam Darnold 28 of 34 341 four touchdowns but it was that last turnover He threw it, looked like he had a first, looked like it was going to be a touchdown, and hit the guy helmet. Levante, if you want to play well in the NFL, look at everybody that came and talked to Ochoa. Darren Waller had another touchdown. Yeah. Levante David had a big-time pick. Go back and look at the guys that talked to Henley.

1:02:12Been balling. Hey, everybody having success, huh? Rashawn Gary. Who? Gary. Thank you. Oh, yeah, yeah, Rashawn Gary. Yeah, yeah, Rashawn Gary. Yes, yes. He got five sacks. Yes. We only in week five. Yes. This was an unbelievable game. 38-35, Tampa. They scored 15 points. They scored 10 points in the second quarter, 15 points in the third quarter, 10 points in the fourth quarter, but it was the game-winning kick. They win 38-35. and it seems like Tampa is always involved in games like this, Ocho. Remember at the Atlanta game? I mean, all their games have basically won, have been three points or less.

1:02:59Hold on, we got to talk about Emeka Abuka. Emeka rookie. Ibuka. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Abuka was crazy. Jackson Smith and Jigba. Like, hey, it's the Battle of Ohio State. Who better? Ibuka. Emeka Abuka, seven catches, a buck 63 one tub jackson smith and jigba jsn eight catches a buck 32 another tug one had nine targets eight catches the other hand was seven for seven ameka abuka was seven targets seven receptions a buck 63 i mean these quarterbacks were throwing the ball i'm like bro yeah they let me rip did anybody bring their defense that's all i want to know did anybody bring the defense hey or is it or is it optional i i i don't know but i know one thing these young receivers i know we all can talk about the same top five and after the season ends if jsn and ibuka keep up with what they doing we're gonna have to have they're trying to they try to they try to crack that they try to they definitely try to crack that top 10 and say man we're trying to get in the top five what you talking about we're gonna have to have a conversation Absolutely.

1:04:10And we're going to have to have a conversation about Baker Mayfield being in the MVP discussion. Why are you bull driving? Absolutely. Absolutely. Now, when it comes to the MVP discussion, also, we're going to need for Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to have those wins. That win column has to keep going. He definitely could be in that conversation. Oh, yeah. You know, I know right now that Josh Allen was the favorite heading into tonight. Justin Herbert was up there, but he lost. My homeboy always going to be in the discussion.

1:04:42Dak is throwing the football, like you said. But at the end of the day, it's going to come down to wins and losses. Yeah, you can have stats. It's a stat-based award, but they want those stats to go towards winning. Yeah. And so when you look at it, it's – If it were just based on stats, hell, Burrow would have won the goddamn MVP last year if it was stats because we didn't have the W's. Levante David intercepted Sam Darnold with less than a minute left, setting up Chase McLaughlin's 39-yard field goal to earn a 38-35 walk-off victory. The Buccaneers became the first team in NFL history with four wins in their first five games of a season in which they were either tied or were trailing in the final minute of regulation.

1:05:28Seattle, I mean, Seattle played well, man. I was like, well, damn, Seattle, y 'all got it like this? Yeah. And then Baker's like, I mean, Baker had four incompletions. Yeah, that's crazy. Four. Sam Darnold had six.

1:05:46So they threw 67 times, and the ball hit the dirt 10 times, don't you? That's it. I don't think, do you know how insane that is? Well, let me take that back. It hit the ball nine times because one of them was intercepted. You understand how difficult that is? Yeah, hell yeah. For two quarterbacks, first round picks, Baker Mayfield Cleveland, Sam Darnold New York, and all of a sudden you get to the right situation and all of a sudden you flourish. Sam Darnold was third in that draft. Baker Mayfield was first. My bad, my bad, my bad. And Zach Wilson was second. Yeah. And then Sam Darnold was third.

1:06:23It's amazing what happens when you go to the right situation, huh? Situations matter. For sure. Absolutely. it absolutely it absolutely does matter um but this was this was a very very entertaining game oh cho i don't know they don't learn but i'm gonna keep letting them do it so they're gonna learn the hard way because see that's what life has a way of teaching us until we learn the lesson that it's trying to teach right right and you know guys still won't learn they want to drop the ball they want to be awesome guy has a 70 yard touchdown cost him the game yeah cost him the game Was that the Cardinals, right?

1:07:01No? Yes. Yes. Arizona Cardinals just suffered perhaps the worst, wildest loss in NFL history. They were up 21-6 in the fourth quarter. Fumble crossing the goal line, that was going to put them up 28-6. The fumble and an interception for a touchdown. Because think this, Ocho, they got caused a fumble. He fumbled, kicked the ball into the end zone, they jump on it, get a touchdown. So now it's 21-12 with less than five minutes. Kyle, after the game, I really don't know what to think about that. I don't even know how. That's how to lose a game one-on-one. I don't know. It was crazy. It was. Arizona gave up a 21-3 lead to the worst team in football, became the first franchise since 1970, the NFL-AFL merger, to lose three straight games on game-winning field goals.

1:07:48But all you got to do is look at DeMarcado. bro yes you cost him the game basically i don't know so so so the ball was just so heavy you couldn't take it another two feet huh the ball was just so heavy oh he just had to drop it oh you know you're bringing groceries in and you're trying to make the one trip yeah i'm trying to get all the bags i possibly can once you cross i got 10 bags yeah i got five and five. If I got 15, I got eight and seven. Right. And you know, sometimes you get to see, whew, you got to rest. So the ball was that heavy that he just had to sit it down before he got into the end zone.

1:08:30Why is it happening so much? Because Deshaun Jackson, you started his foolishness. D-Jack started his foolishness. Yeah. Well, technically, I started it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, college. I started in college, but I left the ref behind so far. He didn't even see it. Yeah, you did. You did throw the ball back. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I don't get it, Ocho. Ocho, and we've seen it so many times. It just happened last year. It just happened last year. We just talked about it. Yes, several times. But. Yeah, oh, Ocho. Remember the Colts? The receiver? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, just last week. Yes.

1:09:16Yes. Amari DiMicardo, 72-yard touchdown to drop the ball at the goal line. Mitchell did the same thing against the Rams last week. Ocho, how many times, at what point in time? They need to start, you know what, and somebody, the players are so good, you just can't cut them. But bro, why y 'all keep doing this? Y 'all, you make Sports Center for all the wrong reasons. Wrong reasons, yeah. Damn, that's messed up. I just... That's messed up.

1:09:5149ers beat the Rams in overtime, Ocho, by the score of 26-23. 49ers improved to 4-1, take over sole possession of first place in the NFC West, while the Rams fall to 3-2 at the goal line. Three down, three down, three points, and about to score, Tyron Williams. He fumbled. Great punch out by the 49ers. They get the ball stuffed up because it looked like the 49ers were going to potentially win the thing in regulation. But 49ers hold them out of the end zone there. And then on fourth down, Ocho, when the rubber really needed to meet the road because it seemed to me they were going to go for it. I don't think they were going to play for the tie like we got Sunday night between the Packers and the Cowboys.

1:10:33It seemed like Sean McVay was hell bent. He wanted to win this game, Ocho. He really wasn't playing for no tie. and he went for it. The question I have for you, do you like Sean McVay going forward on fourth down or does he kick the field goal and give the 49ers because the next score wins the ball game? Yeah, I kind of like him trying to go forward. I want to get this game over with. We've had some mistakes. We've had some drops. We've had some penalties. We fought back to get back into the game and I really want to end it right now. I want to end it. So I have no problem with him going forward on fourth and one, trying to end that game.

1:11:12Listen, it can go one or two ways. Either you get it or you don't. You didn't get it. The fact that he even had the balls and the galls to even go forward in that situation says a lot. And he's one of the few coaches in the NFL who can go forward and take that chance, like a Dan Campbell. You know, he's one of the few who can do it. I love that. I love that also, Ocho. I'm not playing for a tie. I'm down there. I'm in a great position. and look, you had an opportunity, you're right there to go line, you get a punch out and now you're down again and guess what Ocho, if I kick the field goal, it's 23-20, next goal wins the ball, wins the game and the 49ers are getting the ball back.

1:11:52Now you can say, well, they might fumble it. Nah, I'm not taking that chance. I'm down there, I believe in my offensive line but look, Robert Sala gets right, he sold out on that side and they stuck him. I mean, it wasn't even close Ocho. I mean, as soon as it happened, bam, bam, guess what? 49ers start spilling out on the field. I mean, the Rams ain't no, hey, let's get a measurement. The fish is already like, going the other way. These quarterbacks were dealing tonight, Ocho. Matt Jones, 33 of 49, 342, two touchdowns, no interceptions. Matthew Stafford, 30 of 47, 389, three touchdowns, no interceptions.

1:12:33I mean, it really was a clean game with the exception of that one fumble by Kyron Williams. That probably is no way to know, but it didn't help them. No. I tell you what, we can't say it cost them the game, Mocho, but it damn sure did not help them win the game. And the 49ers have to feel good. Losing a game like they lost on Sunday on a short week. You're down Purdy. You're down all these guys. Bosa's not coming back. Look at all the guys that they had injured tonight. And to have guys step up and rise to the occasion and play as well as they did on a very, very short week. Look, I understand, Ocho.

1:13:08It's not like they had to go cross country. Look, California, but still, you get a short day, a day less to work because you have to travel. But I thought the 49ers, given the totality of the situation that they're in, I thought they played extremely well tonight, Ocho. And I think Kyle Shanahan should be very, very proud of his ball club because they did play well tonight and they found a way to get a win against a division opponent. Yeah. Not only should Kyle Shanahan be proud of his ball club, he needs to take a bow himself. With the play calling, some of the stuff he did, with all the injuries that you just talked about that have mounted up, no Rika Purcell, no Brandon Ayuk, no George Kittle.

1:13:48Juwan Jennings is out. Juwan Jennings is out. Juwan Bosa is not coming back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But from an offensive standpoint, I hope. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Brother Kendrick Bourne. Brother Kendrick Bourne, I know you're going to see this. Career night, Ocho. Salute on a career night. Obviously, he had some drops last game. They have a short weekend, come back and rebound. And for Mac Jones to be able to have the confidence to keep getting and feeding you the ball. And another thing, I want to talk about the quarterback situation. Tonight's game is a perfect example of the definition of next man up.

1:14:25When you look at a game like tonight and see what Mack Jones is doing, having a resurgence in his career, which is why I also think with quarterback go, situation matters. We saw Mack Jones do it tonight. We see Daniel Jones do it in Indianapolis. We see Baker Mayfield do it over there in Goddamn in Tampa Bay. Sam Donald going from Minnesota to Seattle and still doing it now. Now, I think where quarterbacks go and what they have surrounding them, including those calling the plays, is so important to a quarterback success. The most. Yeah, and they look really good. This is a really, really good game.

1:15:01The Rams didn't really help themselves either with some of the drops, some of the mistakes, some of the fumbles. But this was probably one of the better Thursday night games we've gotten so far. The quarterbacks were dealing. Ocho, look, you know, I'm not big on hyperbole. and I said this at the time. Yes, sir. I thought the 49ers should have drafted Matt Jones because it's hard for me. I really can't differentiate between the two. Right. Are you trying to tell me that you believe if Matt Jones had been in this system for the entirety of his career because we saw what he did when he had Josh McDaniels.

1:15:39We saw what he did. Year one, yeah. Tucked him to the playoffs with a Pro Bowl player. Are you telling me if he has Kyle Shanahan for four years, he's not as good, if not better, than Brock Purdy? And guess what? I get why they didn't, because when you look at a guy, nothing jumps off at you. He doesn't have Lamar Jackson's speed. He doesn't have Josh Allen's height. He doesn't have Patrick Mahomes' arm. So why would we take a quarterback that really, Ochoa, he's average with the third pick in the draft. But what you wouldn't have had to do is give up all the draft compensation. So imagine as well as they do drafting, what you can put around it.

1:16:22And guess what? Even if he doesn't pan out, Ocho, you go back and you get you another quarterback. Or you could go back and get you another quarterback. And still, guess what? You don't have to spend damn near$300 million. Me personally, I believe Matt Jones in this system. I'm not talking about in this system with Kyle Shanahan, think about all the pieces that he had, Ocho. Oh, yeah. When he has Kittle, when he has Debo, when he has IU, when he has Jennings, when he had Christian McCaffrey, and he got Trent Williams playing Trent, not this guy that's beat up. He's trying to work himself back in the conditioning and in his form.

1:17:05It's hard for me to believe that Matt Jones is not as good, if not better than Purdy. And for me, I would have taken him, but I understand why they didn't because the measurables, when you look at him, Ocho, you're like, that is not the third pick in the draft. And you took a guy with the third pick in the draft because of the measurables. But it was the seventh-round draft pick that really saved Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch's job. Because you give up that kind of compensation, Ocho, and that guy doesn't work out and he didn't work out, you're gone. Yeah. What you think? What you think? Do you think Matt Jones, Purdy, similar Purdy is better, substantially better, a little bit marginally better?

1:17:49What you think? It's hard to really decipher between the two on who's better or not because when Brock Purdy is in there, he's the rhythm and time and quarterback as well. When Matt Jones is in there, he's a rhythm and time and quarterback well. Both suit the system very well. Really not dual threat quarterbacks. No, no, I ain't no dual threat. They are your typical system West Coast type off the court backs that are dropped back, sometimes in a shotgun, and they deliver everything off of timing. And they make great throws, and they're accurate. They're accurate enough. What they lack in being able to escape the pocket or use their legs running, they make up for in other areas.

1:18:26And I think they both play well doing exactly what's asked of them in that specific system. when you're not that big as far as physical size, Ocho, 6 '4", you don't have a rocket arm, you don't have Lamar Jackson's mobility or Michael Vick's mobility, you have to have great anticipatory skills. Yes. Look at Joe Montana. Joe was not overwhelming, didn't have the big-time arm. He wasn't the greatest athlete, but his anticipation skills were tremendous. Brock Purdy, great anticipatory skills. Matt Jones, great anticipatory skills because you got to be because you don't have the ball to wait. You've got to get the ball out.

1:19:12You have to anticipate where the guy is going to be. And like, you know what? Have the trust. I trust the system. I trust the guy that I'm throwing to that. He's going to be where he's supposed to be. I understand the defense. I know where I'm vulnerable. I know where guys are going to disperse to. I can let this ball go. Just me. I you can't convince me that Brock Purdy is substantially better than. than Matt Jones. I refuse to believe that. And I believe in the same circumstances, if I had Matt Jones with Kyle Shanahan, I believe whatever fate the 49ers had gone through over the last four years, that same fate would have happened to them with Matt Jones, don't you?

1:19:50Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Because what we saw, the small sample of Matt Jones right now, since Purdue's been out, it's been the exact same. The offense has been efficient. The offense is up and down the field. They put up points. and it showed the night to where next man up. That's why I said to start the show off is this was the definition of next man up and not missing the beat. Now, I wish other teams were able to do what we're seeing tonight from the 49ers. Hell, like, hell, we got the goddamn Detroit Lions here in Cincinnati at Pacor Stadium. When Joe Burrow goes down, I wish we still had the same type of success they had tonight where you don't miss a beat just because your quarterback goes down.

1:20:35But unfortunately, it's a little different. It's a little different. Yeah, because your guy ain't that good. And I tried to tell you that. And you got the Bengals fans, your Bengals, you got them all hype. I trust Jake. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow down. Slow down. There are other elements. I don't want you to talk about no other team. As a matter of fact, why are you talking? I don't want you to say foot or ball. You got another week. You can still got, let's see, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Oh, and if you don't win on Sunday, it's another week. I got it. You know what? I got a question for you. What?

1:21:11You understand how the football gods work. You know when it comes to the game of football in the NFL, it's week to week. Well, this ain't going to be y 'all week. This ain't going to be y 'all week. What happens if just, I'm just hypothetically speaking, chat, those in the chat, hypothetically speaking, what happens if the Bengals shock the world and beat the Lions? If a dog had a square butt, he poop blocks. But it's round, so we know what come out, don't we? Don't we know what come out of it, Joe? I'm just saying. I could be optimistic. I could be optimistic. Now, I'm not saying we're going to win.

1:21:41I'm just saying, hypothetically speaking, if the football gods decide to shock the world. I'm just saying. Nah, he busy that day. He ain't going to be watching. I promise you, God ain't no Bengal fan. He ain't watching that game. He ain't watching that massacre at Paycourt Stadium. Hey, listen, I don't know about Master, but we're going to put up a fight. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. If the fate is the same, what does it matter? I mean, listen, I got to have some type of, I think we're going to be all right. I believe in us. That's all that matters. There's a reason I'm in town. I done had that pep talk with them boys.

1:22:20I think we're going to be all right.

1:22:24Matt Jones, after the game, was asked after the game about playing hobble. He replied, I'm good. but I just can't show it. That's on me. I'll be fine. That's what happens when you don't practice for a couple of weeks. So that's my fault. You know, look, it's hard for quarterbacks. There are other positions, Ocho, that can mispractice and you can't tell when they get into a game. Right. It's hard for a quarterback. That's why a lot of quarterbacks like to wear their pads, Ocho. Hey, they tell us to take our pads off. We can't wait. We can't wait to leave the mofos in the locker room. Stay with them all.

1:22:58The quarterbacks like to throw with their pads because guess what? They're going to throw with their pads. So they want the same feel. They want the same rhythm as if they're throwing with pads because that's how they're going to throw in the game. Yeah. And so Mack's like, you know what? His fighting senses probably wasn't tingling. Look at the next four games, Ocho. Week six at Bucs. Then week seven at home to the Falcons. Week eight at Texans. Week nine at the Giants. So it's not like they got an easy schedule coming up. Now, I don't know how long Brock Purdy is going to be out, but look, they got 10 days.

1:23:33So that's a long time for Purdy. He was out this week, Ocho. So he got an extra. He basically got two weeks because he hadn't probably done anything since Sunday's game. Mack Jones, he gets 10 days because they're off until, you know, they don't play Sunday, obviously. They play a week from Sunday. So they get ample time to get some of the guys, some of these guys that's banged up, Ocho. they get an opportunity to get them back healthy. You see Mike Jones fit? We got that... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That red with the little burgundy in there? Yeah, let's see his fit. Can we pull that video?

1:24:08He would clean that.

1:24:14Ooh. God, God. Hey, listen, that's a man that came from business now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, that's a man. Hey, that's Two-Face. That's a man hanging around brothers.

1:24:29Hey, he clean. That's a man that came from business. I like that. I like that. I like that, Matt. As clean as he look, that's exactly how he played. He played his ass off the night. He played exactly like that. He scared me a little bit when he went down. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he grabbed his calf. No, it looked like he grabbed his knee brace, Ocho. Yeah, I thought it was pinching him a little bit. Yes, yes. When you get tackled, the goddamn knee brace start pinching you. So when they're pulling this calf, I was like, it must be either the knee brace is pinching him or he cramping, one or the other.

1:25:01Yeah. And them little calves he got, that one he hurt nothing. Because he got, first of all, he got a knee brace on. So that calf is not as strong as what it needs to be because he wears that knee brace on. You know what I'm saying? You got to build strength back up in that calf in order for it to, but he played his tail off. I mean, both quarterbacks play well. Don't get me wrong. Both quarterbacks played well. My concerns with the 49ers, Ocho, without both in the game, they really couldn't generate no pressure. Generate no pressure, yeah. They really couldn't generate any pressure. And the last thing you want a guy like Matthew Stafford to have is time.

1:25:36Yeah. Because he was dealing, man. He was, woo! That joke, you throw that, Ocho, can he throw it or what? I might take that back. I want to play with Matthew Stafford. We keep talking about, Shannon, if you can come back and play, and we keep talking about Mahomes and Burrow and Herbert and Allen and this one. man give me more for Matt Stafford why y 'all out there bumping him you talk about you gotta think now Matthew Stafford is a legitimate gunslinger it's only about four maybe four quarterbacks in the league right now that have the kind of ball Matt Stafford throws with that kind of velocity and can make any throw on the field any throw even though Aaron Rodgers is old he's one of them Matt Stafford is another I'm trying to think gunslinger gunslinger.

1:26:21You see the difference, when I think of gunslingers, I think guys that'll take unnecessary risk. That's really not what Aaron Rodgers is. Now, Aaron Rodgers can make every throw. Matthew Stafford can make every throw. Change arm angles. Both guys can change arm angles. But sometimes, if you look at the interceptions for Matthew Stafford, you look at the interceptions for Aaron Rodgers, and you'll see a vast difference. Because Rodgers was really never willing to take unnecessary risk. Matthew Stafford, he believed he could throw a football through a keyhole. And he damn sure, I'm just going to get a football through a keyhole.

1:26:53Let me show you. And he would try it. Now, he's gotten better. Now, can you imagine what he would have been had he had Sean McVay his whole career? But he can throw it, Ocho. I mean, he can fast spin the ball. And now, I expect him, when I watch a game, I want to see one time where he look over here and throw the ball over there. Wait a minute, he did that again? He didn't do it tonight. He didn't do it tonight. I remember he did it against the Bengals in the Super Bowl. Yeah. Oh, he did it two weeks in a row. And he's running down the fields because he's mic'd up. Don't look at my eyes. Don't look at my eyes.

1:27:32Don't effing look at my eyes. But, hey, I think when the NFL envisioned, look, they tried to make these games divisional matchups, Ochoa, so they're really close, nobody having to go a great distance. You don't want somebody on the West Coast having to go East. Right, right. East Coast having to go West. Let it be close proximity. It's already tough enough playing. I can just imagine because I didn't really start to feel good till Friday. So I can imagine playing a game on Sunday, then turn around and play another game on Thursday. And especially as you got older, Ocho, it took longer and longer to get that old man up out of you.

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