In short
“Best of Part 1” highlights NBA debates and sports-business talk, plus brief celebrity/relationship chatter. Main segments: Shaq vs. Rudy Gobert (defense vs offense and contract value), Dwyane Wade ranking Kobe Bryant top 3 (and the debate over where Kobe fits on all-time lists), and a WNBA pay discussion (“pay us what you owe us”) focused on revenue share and salary targets.
Guests (hosts/participants named in transcript): Shaquille O’Neal (commentary segment), Rudy Gobert (referenced), Dwyane Wade (commentary segment), plus hosts/regulars Joe and Ocho (and “Will” and “Russell” referenced as discussion points; no other guest identities confirmed).
Key claims
Gobert earns big money but doesn’t “dominate” offensively; Shaq argues he’d score more in his era. Wade says Kobe is top 3, forcing someone (Jordan/LeBron/Kareem) to be excluded to fit Kobe. WNBA players currently get about 9.3% of league revenue; hosts argue it should rise toward 20–25% and cite TV deal growth.
Notable examples
Shaq’s 2001–2003 dominance; Gobert’s lack of scoring outside the paint; Kobe’s 21 straight All-Star starts; Kareem’s skyhook and long scoring record; WNBA All-Star t-shirts chanting “pay us what you owe us,” and Nafisha Collier winning MVP.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOShaq's Critique of Rudy Gobert
0:00 to 0:34
Discussion on Shaq's comments regarding Rudy Gobert's performance and value.
“When you're moving like I do, you don't always get a lot of lead time.”
Shaq's Critique of Rudy Gobert
0:40 to 1:10
Discussion on Shaq's comments regarding Rudy Gobert's performance and value.
“Strong hands also keep Copenhagen moving today.”
Shaq's Critique of Rudy Gobert
2:14 to 6:40
Discussion on Shaq's comments regarding Rudy Gobert's performance and value.
“Let's take a listen to what Shaq had to say about Rudy.”
The Evolution of NBA Player Contracts
6:40 to 13:09
Exploration of modern NBA contracts and how they compare to past eras.
“and kind of frown upon it, some of them, they can't help it because you can only put yourself in that position.”
The Evolution of NBA Player Contracts
13:15 to 14:11
Exploration of modern NBA contracts and how they compare to past eras.
“Strong hands also keep Copenhagen moving today.”
D-Wade's Top 3 Players Discussion
14:46 to 21:42
The hosts debate Dwyane Wade's assertion that Kobe is a top three player.
“and goes off on Bleacher Report for ranking him 11th on their all-time list.”
Kareem's Underrated Legacy
21:44 to 28:00
Exploration of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's impact and legacy in basketball.
“They had, I think Wilt had a chance to get it once.”
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: Legacy and Impact
28:00 to 29:10
Discussion on Kareem's career highlights and legacy in the NBA.
“Like I said, just go back and look at Kareem's career.”
Kobe Bryant's Top Three Debate
29:10 to 31:08
Debate over Kobe Bryant's position in the all-time NBA rankings.
“Wade, the night camp crew, Ocho, Joe, and myself.”
WNBA Pay Discussion and Revenue
32:42 to 36:38
Discussing the pay disparity and revenue models in the WNBA.
“Ocho, WNBA players warmed up in t-shirts ahead of the All-Star game last night.”
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Future Prospects for WNBA Salaries
36:38 to 42:01
Exploring potential salary increases and financial growth in the WNBA.
“The WNBA players get 9.3 % of the league revenue.”
WNBA Salary Discussions
42:01 to 47:40
The hosts discuss potential salary increases for WNBA players and the valuation of franchises.
“Yeah, look, I think, can we get the salary?”
Transcript
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2:16Shannon Sharpe:Jack has some words from Rudy Gobert. Let's take a listen to what Shaq had to say about Rudy. I hate Rudy Gobert. Why don't you like Rudy? Because I'm a f***ing man at 250. You don't deserve it, dog. As the president of the Big Man Lions, you're making big money. Play like a f***ing big man. That's it. Play like a f***ing big man. Throw some bowls. Knock some people out. Don't be letting little white dudes from Denver dunk on you and talk s*** to you. Then you got to grab them by the neck of the last second. Come on, bro. That's it. If you're going to get paid big money, f***ing play big. I just want Shaq to still be on TV when Rudy gets into the Hall of Fame because it's going to be.
2:52Shannon Sharpe:If Rudy Gobert gets into the Hall of Fame. He is. If Rudy Gobert gets into the Hall of Fame, I'll wear this dress to the motherfucking ceremony.
3:04Shannon Sharpe:Get ready, Shaq. Hey, look. I think with Shaq, because Rudy's not an offensive guy, meaning he ain't shooting the ball outside the paint. No. Hey, they ain't never going to get Rudy no credit on that. He is a defensive big. He's a defensive guy. Hey, timing is everything, man. You know, he came along at the right time. But if you looking for him to offensively wow you when you think he has a mismatch, I think that's kind of like what Shaq thinking. He's like, man, he ain't dominating the game. Like, you getting paid$200-something million. You can't dominate. Shaq was going up two people, three people.
3:41Shannon Sharpe:If you didn't have at least three people on Shaq, Shaq was dunking on you. It wasn't even fair. Every team that Shaq played against, they had three bigs. They had 18 fouls to give, Ocho. Yeah. Because two guys fouling out. Or they're going to have 10 fouls. Ocho, I came in at 0-1. That was Shaq. Shaq was still at, like, the prime of him. That was the apex Shaq. Ooh. 2001-2003. Yeah. You can give it up, brother. That cut enough, huh? We're going to try to give you as much help as we can. You got to fight him. yeah it was unreal to try to stop that dude he was so huge and agile I was like it was unreal bro it was unreal oh that's funny Shaq Shaq ain't gonna let it go and the thing is here's the problem that you run into deserve I mean deserve is a very very tricky word yeah cause sometimes we get God's mercy and grace when we don't deserve it.
4:46Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.
4:49Shannon Sharpe:I look at it like this. My notepad, man. Rudy's earned the money based on what they pay. His body of work. He's earned 100 million, 200 million, whatever they pay him. Shaq ain't no Shaq. If you waiting on somebody to be like you, you never going to see it with your own eyes in your lifetime. Yeah. Hey, hey. analytically, when they look at it from that point of view, he dominates the game. You know what I mean? Yes. They're looking at it from a deeper perspective nowadays, but I kind of understand what Shaq is talking about, but Rudy's just not an offensive guy, bro. He ain't scoring outside that paint, period.
5:33Shannon Sharpe:You know what it is, Joe? And it looks worse in this era because the scoring is up. See, if he was back in Shaq's era, he'd been perfect. Yeah. Because they never say anything about Rick Smith. They didn't say anything about Dwight Howard. But Dwight had some years where he was 20. He averaged 20 points in 12, 14 rebounds. So Dwight Howard was always more of an offensive threat than Rudy Gobert. But you look at Ben Wallace. Yeah. So he's looking at it in today's time when you got four or five guys averaging 30 and you got 15, 20, 30, 20 guys averaging 20. And Shaq like, bro, you 7 '3", you 7 '1", 7 '3", and bro, you giving 12 points a game?
6:20Shannon Sharpe:And so Shaq is looking at it like, bro, for 250, Shaq's looking at it, this is how Shaq's thinking. Shaq said, if they had played me 250, I'd give him 40 a night. Right, absolutely. That's how Shaq's thinking. Absolutely. And y 'all don't think these guys look at these contracts and the money that these dudes making nowadays, if y 'all don't think they look at it and kind of frown upon it, some of them, they can't help it because you can only put yourself in that position. Like, man, if I was around this time, I'd be making X amount of, you know what I mean? Yes. But what you think, what you think, Will and Mr.
6:53Shannon Sharpe:Russell was thinking, when they making$20 ,000 a year and they see guys making 17, 18 million a year. Yeah. The same thing on Charmin, look, I'm looking at these guys now. We talked about George Kittle. He's making 19 million. Ozzie and Kellen and Mike Dicker and John Mackey, they looking at me when I was making the money I was making. And guess what? In 10 years from now, there's going to be a guy making$100 million a year in basketball. A hundy. Because they say Ant-Man could possibly be making 82 million in 2027 season. 27, 28. Hey, Ant-Man could possibly get the highest contract. 82 million a year.
7:40Shannon Sharpe:A million dollars a game. Yeah, man. Hey. Hey, man. We have to pay respects to the people who came before us. Yes! Hey. The money these dudes make it now, boy. Hey.
7:57Shannon Sharpe:It's ridiculous. Shaq also bet Mike Tyson that Clay Thompson's new relationship with Meg DeStallion won't last more than six weeks. Man, she watch Shaq. Man, why Shaq acting like this? Shaq funny. Hey, man, just give this opinion, man. Klee, Klee, Klee out there in the gym. They going golfing. They doing all kind of stuff. Yeah, I'm happy for him. That's nice. Klee living his best life, man. He ain't just a young. I mean, that's it. Yeah, yeah. I think it's different now. I think with social media, do I think athletes dated celebs and entertainers? Sure, but they kept it hush-hush.
8:49Shannon Sharpe:Now, you can get a picture anyway now. Now, I think now, Joe and Ocho, it's, hey, you cross or you an athlete or something, and you want to date a Meg DeStaglia or you want to date a Glorilla or you want to date, you know, whomever. I don't want to throw nobody's name out there because, like, you know, somebody's trying to be messy. So, but I'm just saying, if you were an athlete and you were, Saul's gardener's dating somebody. He dating somebody, what, Ice Spice? Ice Spice. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. So in a situation like that, you go out to eat, y 'all might just be in the, as my grandma say, the coding phase.
9:25Shannon Sharpe:Y 'all, you don't know, you know what I mean? You can't do nothing nowadays. Ocho? Nah, nah, nah. But listen, if you want to hide, hiding is possible if you really want to hide. Yeah. But see, but here's the thing, Ocho. A lot of people like, what you hide me from? Do you got something that you tried me, you don't want people to know about me? You got somebody over here? Yeah, of course they do, yeah. Nah, nah, nah. They ain't all the time, man. I know. Some people just like their privacy, bro. They do, Ocho. Everybody don't want to be like you out there like that. Ocho, dead serious, bro. Some people really like to chill, bro.
10:08They don't really be in there for the hooping and hollering, bro.
10:12Shannon Sharpe:For real. Yeah, okay. All right. I'm going to let you go. This band be on. This boy be wild. So you mean, tell me nowadays, when people date... Nowadays? days. If I ain't got you splattered all over my profile. That mean I'm doing something. Even if you are splattered all over the profile, it ain't stopping. It ain't changing nothing. What we're not going to do is sit on here and act like, come on now. No, Ocho. I'm not saying that that doesn't happen, but some people like their privacy. Right. That's all. Everybody don't want to date publicly. everybody don't want to be in a public relationship because guess what the moment you make it public you get everybody feel like they have the ability to chime in and so if you break up if you break up if you date publicly what you got to do how you break up Ocho right publicly but everybody don't like that Ocho I like it it don't bother me I like it okay that's you I go through the same stuff the regular people I'm regular too but we all go through the same shit What am I hiding for?
11:21I ain't hiding. It ain't that hiding.
11:24Shannon Sharpe:They just may deal with it internally. Differently. It ain't necessarily. Just like when you say, hey, some people grieve differently. Listen, it's good, though, if you date publicly, you break up publicly, then you have your supporters to help you cope. See? Boom. There you go. See? Why you want to break up and then you sitting at home crying, curled up in your bed? You ain't got to be doing all that. You ain't got to do all that. And who's to say you're not doing that even though you're putting on that front? I don't know. I don't do no crying. I'm just saying. I don't like your tone towards me.
11:59Shannon Sharpe:No, I'm just saying just because you out there, you said a lot of times people be doing things publicly and privately. They broke. They unhappy. Okay. I don't know. Man, nobody looking at you no damn way. No damn way. When you're moving like I do, trips don't always come together weeks in advance. Sometimes production shoots, interviews, or something I've got to travel for on a short notice. Like the time when I had the last minute trip to Denver and everything came together fast. Once it was locked in, I had to be ready to go. That's where Amazon Prime can make a difference. When something comes together quickly, you can get what you need like grooming essentials, neck pillows, eye masks, even snacks for the flights.
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14:45Shannon Sharpe:Dwayne Wade says Kobe is a top three player of all time and goes off on Bleacher Report for ranking him 11th on their all-time list. If you ask us, Hooper, who played against Kobe, all of us are going to talk top three of all time. I agree so what about the guys that played against Kareem where are we going to rank Kareem all the guys that played against Jordan somebody I'm not saying Kobe should be 11 I'm not whatever the case may be you see with Jordan Jordan got number 1 and I think the lowest he ranked was like 2 or 3 LeBron the highest he ranked was 2 maybe the lowest he ranked was like 3 so for the most part people have been having Jordan going back and forth okay wherever you go look you can debate this until the cows come home but and I've said this Joe the guy that gets undervalued the most is Kareem Abdul-Jabbar yep I agree because he had he had the scoring record for the longest had it for 40 years until LeBron broke it yeah Yeah, what do you got?
16:00Shannon Sharpe:Almost 40 years. Nobody thought, they didn't think nobody, first of all, big guys played that long because after you get to a certain point, hey, Kareem, hey, Kareem get the rebound and kick it out. Hey, Magic would hold that thing up, let Kareem get down there to the block. Kareem throw that hand up, they throw it to him. He throw the sky hook, go back down. Nobody thought anybody was going to break it because even when Karl Malone got close, Karl Malone's body fell apart. Kobe started falling apart. Jordan started body started breaking down so there ain't nobody gonna break it they didn't think nobody could break it but he got six MVPs six he got more than anybody yeah and back then the last that was the last year that the players were allowed to vote the players used to vote for the MVP Joe yeah I know they don't let it they don't let it happen no more no because in 62 was it 62 I think no might have been 60 I don't understand why the players can't vote they think it's favoritism yep they don't think they'll keep it real nope they not because of my friend my buddy that's how it was for the Pro Bowl hey my man make sure you vote for such and such no y 'all ain't gonna keep it real let's be real we got friends and they on the ballot I'm gonna vote for them hey plus he had a contract year knowing that if he makes first or second team all NBA guess what he gets he gets a super max contract but then here's the thing then we leave it in the hands of people who never played the sport before and now you're still going to have a drawback from that you're not going to be able to appease everybody somebody's going to be upset with what you say so let me ask you this Joe you played the game where would you rank Kobe in front of all those guys.
18:01Shannon Sharpe:So you got him in the top five? I was thinking more like two guard-ish. I didn't know we were talking about the whole league. See, they didn't rank position. They ranked the top, what was it, the top 25, the top 100? Ash, can you pop the list up right? Okay, here it is. There was a top 100. Number one was Michael Jordan. Number two was LeBron James. Number three was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Number four was Magic Johnson. Number five was Shaquille O 'Neal. Number seven is Tim Duncan. Number 11 is Larry Bird. Number nine is Wilt Chamberlain. Number 10 is Stephen Curry. Number 11 was Kobe Bryant. That's tough.
18:48I don't know.
18:49Shannon Sharpe:I'm going to have to put him in that top 10. I don't know who I'm taking now. You better see, that's the thing. Oh, Joe, what we do? Tell Joe what we do. We got to pick somebody. If you bring somebody in. You got to take somebody out. Yep. What is that? You can see that? It's blurry. Damn. What is it? Me and Kobe sitting there arguing at News Cafe. Yeah. Who you taking out? You taking out Jordan? You taking out LeBron? Kareem? Magic? Russell? Shaq? Duncan? Bird? Will? Curry.
19:28Shannon Sharpe:Because I guarantee you, guys that played against Magic Johnson say Magic Johnson's not coming out of the top five. Absolutely. Guys that played against Shaq. Tim Duncan is very underrated. Very underrated. Larry Bird. Yeah. I mean, what we doing with Will? Will average. What did Will average? He won MVP as a rookie. I think he averaged like. 40 and 27?
19:58Shannon Sharpe:Who going to get 24 ,000 rebounds? Oh, Joe. Man, ain't nobody getting that, man. The numbers he put up were you might as well just start over. Say, you know what? We want somebody to really realistically have a chance of getting rebounds because you're not going to get it. But even if you did that, ain't nobody going to catch Kareem. Nah, nah. Ain't nobody going to care. Ain't no rebounders. First of all, the guys shoot too well now. They don't miss that many shots. In order for you to get the— Wilt got the record with 55 rebounds in a game. Nobody's getting 55 rebounds in a game. I can't remember.
20:37Shannon Sharpe:I don't know if anybody— I think the most rebounds I think somebody's gotten that I can remember is probably 34-35. Yeah. So just think, you still 15 rebounds short. So you're not going to get that. The question is, if we put Kobe in the top 10, who we take it out? That's a good question. Because if you look at it, if you look at it, let's be real. Only two guys, only one guy in the top 10 got one regular season MVP. That's Shaq. But he got three postseason MVPs. Right. Mike got five. Jordan got four. Kareem's got six. Magic's got three. Russell's got five. Duncan's got three. Duncan's got two MVPs, I think.
21:26Shannon Sharpe:Two with regular season. Bird got three. Wilt has four. Steph Curry has two. Okay. Finals MVPs. Jordan has six. LeBron has four. Kareem has two. Magic has three. They didn't have that with Russell. Shaq has three. Duncan has three. Bird has two. They didn't have that. They had, I think Wilt had a chance to get it once.
21:56Shannon Sharpe:So, and Curry has one finals MVP. It's tougher than you think. It really is. Because it can't just be about scoring. It's got to be about all-star games, finals, finals MVP. MVPs, regular season MVPs, all NBAs. I think all that has to factor in.
22:27Shannon Sharpe:So let's just say for the sake of argument, we're going to put him in the top 11. Are we kicking Steph out? Are we kicking Will out? We kicking Larry out? We kicking Duncan, Shaq, Russell, Magic? Who you kicking out, Joe? I got to get Bean in there some way, somehow. Well, you got to take somebody out. It's okay if you take LeBron, Jordan, Tareem, Magic. no
22:52Shannon Sharpe:we gonna get him in but we gonna get him in at Dale's expense Chad who y 'all want out who are we kicking out Chad ask the chat who we kicking out to get Kobe to top 10
23:11Shannon Sharpe:I just think I think it's hard I think it's hard yeah Yeah. Damn. Errors makes it difficult. Because people are like, well, I can't take Bill Russell out. He got 11 championships. He got 11 championships and five MVPs.
23:34Shannon Sharpe:Shaq was as dominant as anybody that's ever played the game. Tim Duncan, two and three. A 15-time All-Defensive selection. Bird with the last guy to win three consecutive MVPs Wilt won four Steph has got two What's the chat saying? That's a hell of a class to be in Yeah Chad is saying take Steph out Take Steph out to put Kobe in there? Mm-hmm Hey, I don't understand why Kobe Bryant is getting so much disrespect with all these lists with him being rated so low on O 'Leary. What's disrespect for Ojo? The people that actually played against Kobe actually have him much higher than those that didn't play against him.
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24:25Shannon Sharpe:But here's the thing. A lot of this happened when Kobe passed because I remember when Kobe was alive, people said he was a ball hog and he was selfish. The very people that said he was a ball hog and selfish, they praised and lauded him. they praised and lauded him in depth when they didn't give him that praise and adulation when he's alive right okay they say kobe is top three so d wade who are you taking out of the top three you taking jordan lebron or kareem out because you said he's top three that's what i need to know listen knowing d wade just based off he would probably take he would probably take kareem out the man that was the all-time leading score despite despite exactly what you get ready to say yes with six mvps yes with five championships yes the all-time leading score third lead rebounder he ain't taking him out oh joe you don't think so you take it you take a lebron out no four regular season mvps four finals mvps 21 time all-star 21 no 21 time all-star 21 time all-NBA selection.
25:38Shannon Sharpe:You know what? Three finals, three all-star game MVPs. You taking Jordan now. Ten times scoring. You ain't got to talk. Okay, so I just want to know. D-Wade said he's top three. I just want to know who he's taking out of the top three to put Kobe in. I'm going to have to ask D-Wade that. I don't know. I'm having a hard time. I'm having a hard time getting him in the top three. Hey, you know what? I'm finna ask him. Because the way you do it, like, okay, such and such should have made it. Because y 'all do it. You do something, Joe. Such and such should have made the All-Star game, okay? The All-Star team.
26:24Shannon Sharpe:If I put him in, who am I taking out? Ocho, we do this all the time with the Pro Bowl. Ocho say, man, such and such should have made it. I say, well, Ocho, who you taking out?
26:35Shannon Sharpe:yeah I get it it's tough so that so forget the top 10 D Wade didn't say he should have been top 10 D Wade said he should have been top three so with that being said that means Jordan LeBron or Kareem has to come out there's no way around it because you can't have I don't think maybe they did a little later now, but nobody would, they had, you know, okay, two guys at number four, two guys at number 12 or 13. Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. What a... I'm telling you who he's taking out. You know he ain't taking out Jordan. You know he ain't taking out LeBron. He's going to take out Kareem despite all the accolades that you just ran down.
27:26I guarantee you.
27:32Shannon Sharpe:people don't realize how good Kareem was. Man. He was going to win the third MVP had he not messed his ankle up. Because go back and look at the numbers. When Magic won the finals MVP, go back and look at Kareem's numbers. Baller. 33 and 14. That's what he was averaging.
27:58Yeah.
27:58Shannon Sharpe:Kareem had some years where he was 32 and 16. Like I said, just go back and look at Kareem's career. Look, I understand. A lot of people didn't like Kareem. A lot of people didn't like that he changed his name because he wasn't originally Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. He was a very surly. He didn't get along with a lot. Kareem ain't taking no jump. Go back. You did something to Kareem, Kareem was punching you in your face. It was really that simple. He rubbed a lot of reports. That's why he didn't get no job. That's why he didn't get no head coaching job. Think about it. All the greats that wanted to coach, got an opportunity to coach.
28:30Shannon Sharpe:Bill Russell, Sam Jones, Jerry West, Casey Jones, Tom Heinsohn. There were a lot of greats. Elgin Baylor, a lot of the greats that wanted to. Kareem never got that opportunity. Larry Bird, Magic Johnson.
28:53Shannon Sharpe:He was a bad boy, man. He probably had the one. The media didn't like. The players loved him. Yeah. The players loved him. You know how I know the players loved him, Ocho? They voted him six times MVP. Yeah. But that's what I. G. Wade, the night camp crew, Ocho, Joe, and myself. You said Kobe is top three. I need to know who you're taking out of that top three. That's it. somebody's got to come out you can't have four guys in the top three I'm going to tell you now MJ made the game sexy he ain't taking MJ out of there okay
29:42you know he ain't taking
29:43Shannon Sharpe:Brian out of there that man every bucket he score in history books Joe he got a cake and he done got icing on it and all he do is just keep adding more and more icing. Every time he touch the flow, he's making it harder and harder for the next person who even think they're going to catch him. Yes. And the All-Star Games. Do you realize the man got 21 straight start All-Star Games starts? It's not going to happen, ladies and gentlemen. When you're moving like I do, trips don't always come together weeks in advance. Sometimes production shoots, interviews, or something I've got to travel for on a short notice, like the time when I had the last minute trip to Denver and everything came together fast.
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32:46Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, WNBA players warmed up in t-shirts ahead of the All-Star game last night. The t-shirt's featuring the words, pay us what you owe us. After the All-Star game, when Nafisha, Fee Collier, won the MVP trophy, the crowd chanted, pay them, pay them, pay them. Ocho, what you thinking? Listen, pay them. Pay them what they owe. Now listen, I keep hearing rumblings. I don't know enough about this to get in depth with it and talk about it like I should, but I understand they get a very small percentage of the revenue that they do bring in. Right. Stay with me now, chat. I'm with you. I'm listening.
33:22I'm listening. They make a very small percentage of the revenue that they do bring in. Pay them what you owe them a little bit more than what they're already making based on the revenue that they bring in. Okay. I mean, it's not rocket science. It's not complicated. NFL players. I'm not sure what percentage of NFL revenue they make that they bring.
33:47Shannon Sharpe:I think they get 48 % of. 48%. If I'm not mistaken, I might have saw something that said NBA players get 9 % of NBA revenue. WNBA. No, that's the WNBA. Get 9 % of the revenue. Let's get that up a little bit more. That's all. That's all. The game, the game for them, for the women is continuing to grow. A lot of people make a fuss. Oh, don't nobody watch this. There's anybody watching them. Oh, people are watching. They're filling up the stands every goddamn game I go to. I see the lines. Hell, I've been to the games. So somebody lying. Twitter lying to me. Because every time I turn on a game or look at a game, the motherfucking stadium is full.
34:27Everyone.
34:33Shannon Sharpe:Pay us what you owe. that's a slippery slope why because from everything that I've read the WNBA has never turned a profit so if I never turned a profit Ocho so let me get this right I'm losing money but you want to raise right something ain't adding up wait a minute if you never turned a profit WNBA been around how long how many years now 96 I think the year they started. Almost 30 years. They've never turned a profit, but it still seems to be running just well and fine and continuing to grow. I mean, look, some say that the NBA is supplementing. Some people say they're not supplementing. But the one thing that's not being refuted is that they're not making a money where they could like...
35:25Shannon Sharpe:The reason why the salaries for the... Think about it, Ocho. Right. J.J. Watt made$112 million dollars in his career. In his career, right. His brother just got a$123 million contract for three years. Because why? The NFL revenue is increasing exponentially. Okay, I like that. But listen, if the WNBA has been around since 96, I'm not good at math so I'm not going to say how many years it's been. At some point in that time, whether it turns a profit or not, that profit has still increasingly got better and better and better. So if you only make 9 % of the profit and what revenue that you're bringing right now, there's nothing wrong with making a little bit more.
36:09Just a little bit more. Don't give it too much. How much? Because I think, look, I don't think. That's not my area of expertise. That would be amongst them to figure out. Right. But I'm just saying, just a little bit more.
36:22Shannon Sharpe:A lot of times, Ocho, when you feel you've been underpaid for the length of time that you've been underpaid, you don't feel that's enough. You don't feel they can pay you enough. Ocho, I can't back pay you for 30 years. I like that. Right, Jadie Bear? Hold on. The WNBA players get 9.3 % of the league revenue. NBA, NHL, NFL players get 50 % of the revenue. The WNBA did lose$40 million in 2024. What? The large part of that was due to they are currently signed to which 2026 goes from roughly$45 million to$200 million annually. This will result in essence the league making money overnight and losing$40 million to a net gain of$115 just alone in TV deals.
37:17Shannon Sharpe:Even if game tickets sold were to stop growing, the merch stopped selling, it will still be in the green. So with that being said. Hold on. Lost$40 million? Yes. Lost. Yes. You sure you read that right? You said lost. They lost 40 million last year. Yes.
37:39Shannon Sharpe:But but in 26, they're going to go from getting 45 million annually for TV to 200 million annually. Yeah, there we go. Now we talking. Now we talking business. But pay us what you owe. but still no I'm going to pay you moving forward I'm not trying to make up a back pay okay okay well okay don't pay us what you owe pay us moving forward but it better be looking better than that 9.8 % that we are getting okay and listen the game is growing tremendously more eyes more visibility kids are watching listen what Caitlin Clark has been able to do along with the others that laid the foundation that laid the the footprint huh The Asia Wilsons, you know, the Angel Reese's.
38:25Like, I like where it's going. Paige Buckers. I mean, come on, man. Beckers. Beckers, yeah, my bad. I was thinking about Jam. Yeah, so I was thinking about Smuckers. My bad, my bad.
38:36Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Yeah, I think the thing is, I think, let's see, the nine. You got at least, I mean, at least you got to get to 20 % at the damn minimum, right? You said, listen, you said 20. I was out I was gonna say No but I'm saying Ocho I'm saying that's at the bare minimum Right You right You right I like it Shoot Look Ocho look You and I both know They're not about to get the 50 % They're not about to get the 50 % That's That's not They're not gonna get 50 No So maybe Hey Can we triple it Can we get to Can we get to 27 28 % Yeah Do right Shoot they need to let me Let me go in there I get you with your own I get I get with your own Put me in that goddamn room But who would I have to talk to uncle If it comes down to The owners The owners What's the lady The commissioner Kathy Engelberg Engelhardt Engelberg Yeah So basically you work with the commissioners and their lawyer and the WNBA lawyers and you have the WNBA PA and their lawyers and they're like, okay.
40:01Yeah. Yeah. Walking there with my nice suit on.
40:10How you doing?
40:13Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I think, look. So you're increasing basically 4%, 4.5%, right? So you're going up. I mean, you're thinking about it. You're going from 4.5. So you're four times, 4.5 times the money. You're going from$45 million annually to$200 million annually. And they're looking to bring on a couple other teams, right? Oh, we need a Miami team. Maybe I could be the owner of the Miami team. They had a Miami team. First of all, y 'all barely support the Heat. Stop. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on, man. Don't, don't, don't. And they had a good player, Ruth Riley. She used to, she was one of the better players in the WNBA.
40:56Hold on.
40:56Shannon Sharpe:She used to go to this boutique spin studio. So, but no, no, not in Miami. Yeah. Too much going on. What do you mean? But we, man, you know what? How y 'all, how y 'all, how y 'all, how y 'all, how y 'all doing with the Marlins? The Marlins? How y 'all do with the heat? You know y 'all come to the game at halftime at the heat, right? Yeah, but hold on. Listen to me. Listen to me real quick. See, it's one thing. This is what I love about Miami, okay? Let's talk about the women. We talk about the WNBA. One thing about women is women show up on time. One thing about women, women support each other.
41:31Shannon Sharpe:You know why we know they don't. That's why we're in the situation that we're in. Because if women supported each other, it'd be more. That's the problem. Okay, okay. The women ain't supporting the women in the WNBA. Right. I see. Yeah, okay. You're right. You're right. I just think for some reason, if I was to start a WNBA franchise, that thing would be lit, boy. I have, it's not American Airlines renting no more. What is it? Hell, don't start me to lie in there. You live in Miami. I forgot the name of the rent. It was FTA. I mean, listen, all them scammed, they be scamming the names and they keep changing.
42:05So I don't know.
42:07Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, look, I think, can we get the salary? Can we get the top salaries to at least a million dollars a year, Ocho? Ooh, now we talking. Can we get, before Juju get here, can we get it like that? Can we get at least, can we get, I mean, I think the highest you can make is what,$245,$250?
42:28Nah, make it$500, man. Make it$500. Hey, hey, them young ladies, hey, them young ladies, boy, when they be. $17 million?
42:39Shannon Sharpe:Ooh, look. Who makes$17 million? Oh, so now you're talking about$3 million. You have some$3 million ladies. Yeah. Yeah. And Aja Wilson? I don't think they're going to go that high. She should be making$3 million a year. I was hoping they'd triple it, go to$27 million,$28 million. I don't think they're going to$40 million, Ash. I don't think they're going to even get to$30 million. The internet math only did it to 40%.
43:04I think realistically, I think 2025.
43:11Shannon Sharpe:and maybe go incrementally. From there, from that point on? Hey, that's a good idea, man. Now that I think about it. What? I would sit here ponder and reflecting on, like, me and you, we can go half on a WNBA franchise in Miami. Hey, do you see the Valkyries? They just got valued at$500 million. Who? The Valkyrie. They just came into existence last year. $500 million. Deliberate$450 million. Right. No. Shannon Nocho ain't going to do nothing. Nah, listen. Let me call Jeff tomorrow. I'm going to set up a call with Jeff. I'm going to set up a call with Jeff. Yeah. Those franchises are becoming very...
43:59Shannon Sharpe:I mean, you see Eli. Eli backed out. He was supposed to become a solid partner. You know, 1 % partner with the Giants. Who? What's Eli? Eli Manning. Okay, we said no. Bro, you see the valuation of these teams? Oh, yeah. So even if you're talking 1%, Ocho, you're talking hundreds of millions. Yeah. Ain't a whole lot of people just sitting on$100 million can go get their hands on$100 million, Ocho. I know somebody. Yeah, I know somebody too. It just ain't nobody I'm really close to.
44:35Shannon Sharpe:I know some people too. It just ain't nobody I'm close to. yeah I know some people I know a few people that was a good one I don't think people really I mean when you can just go go touch it man look here nah but I look I would like to see them at least at the absolute bare minimum it goes to double which would be 18.5 to 19 % I would like it to be somewhere being realistic I like to be realistic. I'll be pie in the sky and say, yeah, let it be like the NFL or NBA or so on. But that's not going to happen up at the top, out the real. So if we can get that thing somewhere between 20 and 25 percent.
45:24I like it. Make it make it 24.
45:28Shannon Sharpe:And go out and support them. Yeah. Go out and support them. People, I know y 'all listening. and whatever city you're in, make sure you go out there, you support the young ladies, man. Support these ladies. Shoot, goddamn game. Dope as hell. Every time I think about that goddamn experience at the Atlanta Dream game in Atlanta, man, Jesus Christ. Stop playing. Yeah. Hey, wait. If the ladies make a million, get maybe$2 million a year, I feel happy. You heard me? Huh? Houston got a team? They had a team, the Comets. They won the first four NBA titles. So no more. But I think, aren't they trying to get another team?
46:09They gave it to Philly, Cleveland.
46:11Shannon Sharpe:And Detroit? Detroit. Because Detroit had the shock. Detroit won the championship when Cheryl Ford, who was Karl Malone's daughter, they won the title. Yeah. I don't think Cleveland's ever, who else had a, Miami had a team. Mm-hmm. Houston had a team. Detroit had a team. Mm-hmm. I'm trying to think, does anybody else? Sacramento used to have a team. They had the Monarchs Tisha Pinochero Miami Soul Charlotte Oh the Rockers Oh wow Okay I think Portland's gonna keep the same name aren't they Is it Cause you said Cleveland Detroit what's the other one Portland No Philly Okay Yeah okay just Josh Harris right yeah
47:14yeah I'll figure
47:19Shannon Sharpe:yeah I think I'm hoping I'm keeping my fingers crossed 20-25 % yeah I like it
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Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Shaquille O'Neal reigniting his criticism of Rudy Gobert, calling him soft, and Dwyane Wade’s bold take placing Kobe Bryant in his top 3 greatest NBA players of all time. Unc and Ocho dive into the biggest debates, legendary moments, and hot takes shaking up the basketball world.
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9:58 - D-Wade says Kobe is Top 3 all time
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