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21:57Shannon Sharpe:Sometimes that's really hard to overcome, Ocho, when it seems like the people rooting against you, that's right there. I mean, I thought we was all in this thing together. It don't seem like it. I tell you who on the side, though. I tell you who on the side. When that goddamn stadium started rooting, started screaming for Shadour, when that goddamn dog pound started going crazy, and them chants started shouting for Shadour when things ain't going right with the Browns, all right. I guarantee you. Now watch how that play out. I just hope he's around long enough for those things to happen. Yeah.

22:40Shannon Sharpe:Because think about it, Ocho. You signed Joe Flacco, 18 years. Well, you know he's not. He's year 18. He's not your answer long term. You re-signed Kenny Pickett, hoping that he got a little hamstring tweak. So now basically it's Dylan Gabriel and Shadour. but it seems like Flacco and Gabriel and Flacco getting all the reps. That's what it appears to me from what I read. Now, I'm not, you know, following it that close because, you know, put all that time in there and guys that you're watching, they're not going to be there. So as they get to the preseason, Ocho, we get a game or two, and so we'll get a better understanding, a better feel.

23:19Shannon Sharpe:Like, okay, this kid, you know, get an opportunity to see them guys play. Like, okay, he can play. because I want to see guys play against somebody or not playing somebody else that's trying to make a team also. You don't know you. Y 'all don't walk off the field talking, hey, man, what you going to do tonight or such and such. Hey, I want to see you go against another guy in another color uniform that's in the same situation that you are. He's trying to live out his fantasy. He's trying to live out his dream. he's trying to make sure his mom and his grandma and if he has a kid or a girlfriend or significant other, he's trying to make sure they're taken care of just like you.

24:02Shannon Sharpe:But this, I I I'm shocked by what Jimmy Haslam had to say because nobody asked him. Nope. This was something that you probably should have asked Ocho after the draft. You asked, you asked this. Okay. So what was your thought process taking Shadour in the fifth round? Oh, you know, they, they said the grade they had on him, the grade they had is the grade they had. so that's when you're like well hey we felt that you know we had this great now round between rounds four and five if he's there we're gonna grab him okay but that's a couple that's a day after the draft that's two days at work at best worst case that's a week after the draft oh cho the drive was in april makes no sense the drive was in april and here we are that's that's may june july that's That's three months.

24:49Shannon Sharpe:And we talking about that's an Andrew Barry pick? Yeah. And listen, I can understand if your decision-making in the past as if you're the goddamn quarterback whisperer. Yes. Coming out and saying something like that and being confident about it like you just been golden when it came to picking quarterbacks. The last 35 were your picks. And none of them worked. So probably this one that you had nothing to do with, that might be the answer. if you Green Bay, y 'all got Brett Favre, and then you get Aaron Rodgers, and now you got Jordan Love, I would say, well, you know what? Hey, Ocho, Joe, he might be onto something now.

25:25Shannon Sharpe:Right, right, right. They about to have 50 years of prosperity at the quarterback position, but when you've had 35 years of turmoil and chaos at the quarterback position, with the exception of maybe a year or two here or there, you got one year of Derek Anderson, you got a couple years with Baker, but other than that, let's be realistic now. Come on, Browns. Really? Yeah, hey, hey. And Shadouard strikes me as a guy, you know, when them lights come on, Uncle Ocho, I feel like he's going to perform at the highest level. You know what I mean? Like he's going to put on. You know what I mean? That's the type of guy he strikes me as.

26:01Shannon Sharpe:So, man, I'm going to be paying attention to them Browns, see what's going to happen. Now, they got four quarterbacks over there, right? What they going to do, Uncle Ocho? I don't see a team keeping four quarterbacks. And a part of me hope they try to put him on the practice squad and somebody comes signing. So they'll carry three quarterbacks. That's too many positions because the quarterbacks don't play special teams. So you got to – because there's only 46 guys, those spots are valuable. Normally you're carrying a guy, a wide receiver, that can play multiple positions. He can play the X, he can play the Z, he can play the slot, and he plays special teams.

26:41Shannon Sharpe:Same thing with a linebacker. Same thing with a swing offensive lineman. He can play guard. He can play tackle. Okay. So that's what you're looking at. I'm looking at guys that can play multiple positions because if I get somebody to go down, what can a quarterback do? It's not quarterback.

27:02Shannon Sharpe:Maybe in high school, Ocho, he punted or kicked or something. but for the most part you keep if you're gonna keep somebody extra it's gonna be a wide receiver a db somebody that can play special teams that's why they say hey special teams is the quickest way to earn a place on the roster unless you wanted to top now you top dog i mean we get that you joe burr or chase or somebody like that lamar we get that but guys that are not that are not actually starter that when a one's up, he runs on the field. And when it's fourth down, he comes off the field and he ain't got to stay out there for punting.

27:41Shannon Sharpe:Special team, the more you can do, the longer you can play. The more you can do, the longer you can play. And but I don't I don't I didn't like this at all, because like I said, here we are. We three months in Ocho and this man talking about that's the Andrew Barry pick. It's trying to break him, huh? It's all mind games. They are. They are. They are. All mind games. They did what they did. They were like, we're going to show you. We're going to show Coach Prime. You know, they talk about, you know, the Mannings, and everybody looked at the Mannings, and Eli did what he did, and, you know, Arch, and, you know, so forth and so on.

28:16Shannon Sharpe:They're like, nah, you're not going to do that. We're going to show you. We're going to start it right here. And then we're going to take it a little further. We're only going to give you a handful of reps. Hmm. and we will see how long hey if i'm trying to break it they say they put you in solitary solitary ocho because they say you know we used to communicate it and when there's no one to communicate to you when all you can do is hear your heartbeat and all the only the only communication is going on in your own head yeah and you know what that could be a good thing sometimes they put people in solitary confinement right and it does it more it does it more good than harm because it gives you too much time to think yeah I want to be in solitary away from you sorry mofos man yeah I want to be in solitary Ocho because I want to be away from you sorry mofos so but y 'all might rub off on me well hey look I think he definitely locked in though you can see it bro well he really doesn't have a choice I think time has done a great job.

29:23Shannon Sharpe:Time dealing with what he's dealing with. Because think about it now. That's still time's son. But in the meantime, I've got to deal with what I've got to deal with. I've got something gravely going on with me. And I got two sons that – because the only coach that Shadour has ever had has been time. He's only on the play for his dad. Played for his dad in high school and coming up he coached him at Pop Warner. Time used to take them kids all over the place. They played Snoop Dogg. They ended up playing Snoop Dogg when – because Ty and I went to the hall together. They played all up in Texas. They coming, and they driving, playing other teams.

30:03Shannon Sharpe:I think they played while they was up there in Canton. So that's the only coach you've ever had. And now my dad – because think about it, man. My dad dealing with something. I don't know what's really going on because Tom said, I really didn't let the boys know what was really going on because they got to focus on that. The last thing is to let your mind wander, Ocho. You know when you're in camp, hey, I'm here. That's what I tell. When you're here, you got to be here now. Now, when you're over there, deal with whatever you got to deal with over there and don't worry about here. But when you're here, you got to be here.

30:41Shannon Sharpe:and so I think time did a great job of shooting him not telling them the extent of what's really going on with him so he can stay locked in especially we know how hard the quarterback position is to play Ocho the last thing you need is to be worried about man pops man Sam pops really messed up right now man and I ain't getting no burn pops messed up on a trip and saying all kind of crazy stuff yeah man it's a lot it's like i said you don't know what a person's going through you don't know uh you know you try not to you try to compartmentalize when i'm here joe ocho i'm here right and like when i'm when i'm done i'll deal with whatever i need to deal with off the field i'll deal with that then man i can just say man i can i can i can bring work home but i can't take you to work.

31:33Shannon Sharpe:And that's how it is. You can't, because they tell you, oh yeah, there's more important things than sports. They lying. They say that for the public. For public. Oh yeah. No, no, no, no, no. When you play a professional sport, Ocho, they're making it abundantly clear. The most important thing is that sport. That's it. So, Shadour, keep your head up. Keep plugging away, boy. Do your thing. When you're teeing off and your clients are watching, it's on. When the game goes to overtime and your squad is right there with you, it's on. When you swap out that other nicotine pouch for something softer and feel the difference right away, it's on.

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35:54Shannon Sharpe:Tomlin said, it was kind of a bromance for me. I was just excited to get to know the guy on a personal level. Man, we had some cool, interesting conversations about football, about life, about where he is in his career and what he was potentially looking for. Ocho, how long do you think the romance lasts if the Steelers don't start, if they don't start winning? Listen, remember, listen, winning wins or losses, depending on regards to how it goes. Remember how Aaron Rodgers treated Robert Sala? Yeah. Remember the interaction on the sideline, the pushing and the shoving off? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What type of research with a head coach?

36:29Now, what won't happen, whether they're winning or losing, now Mike Tomlin ain't playing that. Oh, no. Oh, that ain't going to happen. That's not going to happen. So whether they're winning or losing, I think the relationship between those two, because there's a certain amount of respect that he has for Mike Tomlin and what he's been able to accomplish in Pittsburgh, I think everything will be just fine. Everything will be just fine. All he has to do is, listen, if Russell Wilson can do what he did last year and Justin Fields can do what he did last year, Aaron Rodgers, being at the helm, should be able to do just that.

37:02Do what they ask of it. Don't turn the ball over and let the defense win the game for you. it's simple yeah plus he doesn't come in

37:16Shannon Sharpe:with what he went into the jets with they got on private jets they court a they're like look this is what we got take it leave it you know mike tomlin runs the show yeah the moment you you go get Randall Cobb the moment you go get Alan Lazard you've ceded all control to Aaron Rodgers because now you've given up control you like okay I want this I want that I want this I want that the moment a kid starts screaming and you give him what he wants you've ceded control right right but with that's not gonna happen that's not gonna happen in Pittsburgh no no absolutely But you have to understand the Jets thought with that control and we, we, you allow, we allowing you to take the keys to the team and put the pieces around you.

38:10They felt that's what you needed to succeed. It just didn't happen the way that they saw.

38:15Shannon Sharpe:Well, you got to, you, what? I think it would have had he bought all the way in. When Tampa turned it over to Tom, what did Tom do? He bought all the way in. When Denver turned it, turned it over to Peyton, he bought all the way in. that's not what Aaron did was halfway in halfway in he locked in now though yeah um y 'all allow me the right to be wrong on this but uh I think for the Jets he had to be pretty spectacular for them to win right I think with the Steelers because their defense is pretty good that I don't think it'd be a whole lot of pressure Plus, he got some help offensively to where he'll be a lot better, I think, for the Steelers than he was for the Jets.

39:04Shannon Sharpe:I think the offensive line is better, but the problem that he ran in, and this is what I said, and I remember having this conversation. I said, Ocho, you're saying he just needs to be Aaron Rodgers. I said, now what happens if that defense isn't what it was for those other quarterbacks? Right. Zach Wilson. So let's just say for the sake of argument, that defense slips a little bit. Yeah. And you see, as guys start to get older, Joe, and I don't know how it is in basketball, you can speak to this, but as guys get older at the quarterback position, they need more help. Whereas guys Aaron Rodgers five years ago, six years ago, no problem.

39:46Shannon Sharpe:You could have put his sisters up north out there with him. He would have succeeded. He could do it. But as you get older, you need more help. A la Tom goes to Tampa. A la Peyton goes to Denver. Look at the receiving help that he had. Look at the running backs. Look at the offensive line. All those things go into play. I do believe he has a better offensive line than what he has. Okay, he got DK. They lost Pickens. They got Calvin Austin III. So they got some players. So we'll see. We'll see Warren, the running back. We'll see how that turns out. but I don't think he needs to be 40 touchdown Aaron.

40:28Shannon Sharpe:I don't. I don't think they have a 40 touchdown offense. Could be. You could be right. I see that. You could be right. You could be right. I say that respectfully. The Bengals have a 40 touchdown offense. For sure. Absolutely. Yes. Yes. Yes. You know why? Because their defense aren't very good. Because they're going to be in some shootouts. it's just real talk they're going to be in a shootout come on that's the second time you can get shot at the team but they're going to be y 'all defense is not very good you see y 'all lost games 41-38 y 'all lost 38-35 y 'all lost 34-31 y 'all going to be in games like that listen this is a new year though it's a new year we don't know what's going to happen matter of fact we got football tomorrow too I forgot about that.

41:23Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Oh, this is the last weekend you won't have football until the middle of February. February. So moving forward, you got preseason, and then, you know, you got college, and then you got NFL, college NFL, college NFL, and then when the college go, and then you have bowl season, you have playoffs. So, yeah. Hey, it's here now. It's here now. Devontae Adams clears the air with Jimmy G during dark time as Raiders teammate. It's amazing. I love Jimmy, he said. It was never a personal thing. I was hoping we didn't have these conversations, but I'm surprised this is the first time it's been brought up, but it's been amazing.

42:02Shannon Sharpe:We got to catch up on and get on the right page. Obviously, that was just a dark moment in all of our lives. I think all of us were pretty miserable over there. We kind of caught up and laughed about it, and we've been making plays since we got out here. So it's been fun. Has either one of you guys ever had an awkward fallout with a former teammate and had to squash the beef once you guys became teammates again? Joe, you? No. No, I ain't never had no beef with none of my teammates or none of that. Nah. You in there, Ojo? Nah, I was a fun guy, Joe. I mean, the same way I am on the show. and just saying I was in the locker room same way I was on the field.

42:46Like, there was a... I was just fun, man. I was a fun dude, Joe. I ain't had no problem with nobody. I think I got in one scuffle one time with my safety at training camp. Madhu Williams. Yeah. And that was it.

43:04Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I didn't even... I mean, I left Denver, went to Baltimore, left Baltimore, went back to Denver? No. I've never had an awkward fallout. We had to squash B. I mean. Well, Joe, I had that one fight, Joe, back when we played the Ravens. I think I told you, Joe, I don't think I told you that story. We played the Ravens. We was at B &T. What's the name of the stadium? M &T. Yeah, I was at M &T. You know, towards the end of the game, you know, Joe, I went to catch a slant. Carson threw me a slant, right? It was a little high and I jumped for it anyway. Right, Joe? Stay with me now. And so I seen Ray at the corner of my eye in my peripheral vision.

43:51I was like, I don't even care. I'm going to try to go get it anyway. And I was like, oh, the balls whacked. I started to come down and Ray hit me on the side of my ear hole. And I'm like, well, wait a minute. That was Ray that just hit me. We just prayed before the game. So I know the Lord ain't tell you to hit me like that. So Joe, I jumped up, right? And I went after him. I was finna square up with him, right?

44:14Shannon Sharpe:You finna get active with old Ray. Hey, I was finna put his hands on him, right? But then, boom, I think Ed Reed grabbed me. So when Ed grabbed me, I was like, nah, you gonna have to answer for that. That's what I said in my mind. So after the game, right, Joe? Yeah. I went to the Ravens locker room. I went looking for Ray. So I walked in the locker room and secured him like, hey. He ain't know where he was. Yeah, you can't be here. So I waited. So I I waited in the parking lot, but then the team bus hit the horn for me to go, and that kind of saved me from whooping Ray's ass. But you just wanted to get something straight.

44:49Shannon Sharpe:You wasn't really going to put no powers on it. Yeah, yeah, because like Joe, before every game, I swear for God for a decade straight. Joe, for a decade straight, we didn't miss one game, me and Ray. He gave me a scripture. We sat on the phone. We read the scripture before we went to play the game. Whether we were playing each other or not, consistently for a decade straight, how the hell we just prayed before the game and you hit me like that? Yeah, he prayed he was going to knock your ass out. Man, Joe, I'll pay. Boy, Joe, listen. It would have took all 12 disciples to get me off of Ray, boy, if I would have caught him after that game.

45:25I'm going to pay him. You should have caught him right there on the field. No, because I would have got fined. Listen, you know how it go. When you're angry, you don't think logically. so if Ed Reed hadn't held me I would have turned that 52 upside down that bitch with a red 25

45:45Shannon Sharpe:you did the right thing grab your helmet cause he knocked your helmet smooth off you thought your head was in it my helmet was flying Joe hey you went and picked your helmet up like damn all good go in that room boy he something else hey hey he a Florida boy too huh Yeah, yeah, yeah, boy. Ray right from Lakeland, right up the street, man. Right up the street. Yeah. Y 'all, uh... No, but that... You know better. He called me the same way. He called me under my chin. On the deep end, cause yeah. He got you too. Got me too. I called him. I was trying to bring it in. Hit me right up under my chin.

46:31I said, boop, take it.

46:33Shannon Sharpe:Hey, Ray touching anything come past him. Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah. Hey, that boy wasn't that nice right there, boy. Ocho, look at this. Ocho, look what I got. Oh. That's Pickens? That's Lil' Pickens, yeah. No pick, man. I knew it was Pick. As soon as I saw that damn face mask, I said, they got to be Pick helmet. Carl was nice, boy. Hey, man. Hey, Pick like, hey, nobody want no bingo's helmet back in the day, Ocho. Man, Pick just said, hey, man, take this. I don't even talk. I don't want to take it back home. Hey, I thought the Bengals used to have some decent helmets, huh? Man, ain't nobody...

47:13Shannon Sharpe:The Bengals were terrible. Now, him and Jeff Blake, ain't nobody throwing a deep ball like Jeff Blake. Hey, he had a pretty ball, boy. Just like Aaron Rodgers throwing a Hail Mary, that's how Jeff would throw the deep ball. That thing just like, it just come down and pick just run right up under it. Him and Darnay, boy, they used to... Yeah. They were nice, boy. Yeah, Ocho, I got me on me. Do y 'all still got any helmets like this, Ocho? They still like this, right? It's still the same. It's still the same. Well, you know we got the white ones now. You know they got the white ones. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

47:48Shannon Sharpe:That's y 'all color rush, though, right? Yeah, that's the color rush jersey, yeah. Okay. Ocho, we have more info coming out on Kristen Wilkins. Adam Schefter shares what was an awkward kiss incident between Kristen Wilkins and a Raiders teammate. Wilkins kissed a fellow player on the head and the teammate took offense to it. The incident happened inside the team meeting room. Report says the interaction was playful, but the teammate didn't see it that way. Schefter adds the incident was not the sole reason Wilkins was cut. Is the real... Ocho, when... Hold on. This is Schefter talking. allegedly this this was an incident that took place right when did men start playing like this forget forget i understand it's 2025 it's a different time and i don't get i don't care what your letter is in the alphabet be you i'm cool with it you be the l you be the b you be the t you be the q plural whatever the case may be yeah have at it when did men in a football back in a setting like this, when did they start playing like this, Ocho?

49:01Shannon Sharpe:Was it after I left the game? Was it like last week, a couple of weeks ago? You stayed a little bit – I retired in 04. You retired in 2012 from the NFL. So you stayed a little longer than I did. So when did this start happening, Ocho? I don't know. I don't know. I think that's – Who plays like that, Ocho? The people I hang around, based on where I'm from, I don't see that type of activity. I don't see that type of – Listen, we have, excuse me, we have playful banner, but the playful banner, and we conduct it, it ain't like that. It ain't in that manner. So it's news to me. It's new to me. I don't know Christian Wilkinson.

49:42You know, Wilkinson, I don't know him personally. You know, I know of him, you know, as a fun, energetic type of player. He's done some funny things, you know.

49:54Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, they got that picture. when I think there was a national championship game in one game and the guys on the ground. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm like, bro, guys don't play. Look, maybe they do not. I shouldn't say. I'm just from an era where guys didn't play like that. And, yeah, look, yeah, we horseplay. We might nail somebody locker shut. We might put powder or water in your shoulder pads and when you grab them, it come down on top of you. Do guys horseplay around like that? Yes. Do we soak the rookie's clothes, put them in the cold tub, and then put them in the freezer? Yes. We've seen guys, you know, basketball players put popcorn in the guy's car.

50:37Shannon Sharpe:We've seen stuff like that. Ocho, and I've seen some stuff in the locker room. Now, I've seen some guys play that even I was like, y 'all nasty, that grow, hey. But. Not to that magnitude, though. Not no kissing on the forehead. Not even no joking manner. Yeah, I don't know. It's hard to say I'm not in the locker room. I wasn't actually there. And obviously, Sheff did his best job in describing what happened. And obviously, no. Think about it, Ocho. Ocho, remember we talked about it. Of all the things they could have said, why did they say this? Now, they could have said anything. He stole somebody's car.

51:19Shannon Sharpe:He stole$1 ,500 from somebody. He forged a check. of all the things they could have tagged a young man with, allegedly, they put this? Yeah. I mean, listen, allegedly, that's actually what happened. You know, it had to come from somewhere, so that means that's exactly what happened. With their smoke, there's fire. Right. With their smoke, there's fire. So it is what it is. Whoever the player was, they took offense to it. Maybe they got in a little scuffle. Maybe it caused an issue. And maybe that was just the icing on the cake for them to release him based on the other issues and other incidents about him missing games last year and then not doing what's required to make sure he gets on the field in a timely manner this year.

52:00Maybe they would be fed up.

52:01Shannon Sharpe:If I'm not mistaken, Ocho, they said this incident happened earlier. So I don't know if it happened, say, in the offseason. It happened at some point in time during the season. Obviously, there was a fracturing where they like, bro you need the surgery he says no uh it seems like he said no maybe they wanted a second opinion he didn't want to get a second opinion because here's the thing you could you could like okay you got a torn acl and doctor said well you need to get this so he's like no i'm gonna let it heal on its own you can do that i wouldn't advise it but you can do it they tell you to go get a second opinion ocho you can do that and both doctors say the same thing you say no i'm good I wouldn't advise it but you can do that I don't get why he wouldn't considering he had guaranteed money he had 35 million dollars coming to him that was guaranteed so he was at I could see Ocho if I didn't have guaranteed money coming in if there was a situation like nah bro I need to get on the field but he got guaranteed money and so they say nah it's not healing like it's supposed to you need to have another surgery right i i just don't i don't get that that's what's being reported now we don't know what's true or not but look there the truth is somewhere in between this box yeah between the kiss on the forehead the second opinion they want them to have they wanted to have surgery again something the truth is somewhere in here ojo we just don't know where it's at but we think the truth is somewhere in this box well listen what you can do is you can hear the situations right and it's like It's like having a puzzle piece.

53:46All right, we got good pieces to the puzzle, and you can just fill out the rest of the puzzle based on the actions that have happened and what you're hearing. So obviously you missed games last year.

53:57Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Well, I think you only played five games, Ocho. I think you got hurt after the fifth game. Okay. Listen, all right, we're going into a new season. You're still not healthy. You might have even got a second opinion. Maybe your second opinion said, you know what, you need to just relax and let it heal on its own. Maybe the team said, well, you need to get surgery. So, again, now we're going to another season. You missed so many games last year. Now the season rolling around again. You're still not healthy. You're not on the field. They see you on camera dancing around, you know, having fun and doing stuff that's not, for one, helping the team.

54:30Two, that's not helping yourself. And three, what we're paying you millions of dollars to do, you're not earning that. You're not earning that. You're not going to do that on our time or our clock. Right. And so they made a business decision.

54:43Shannon Sharpe:Yes. I agree. I'm looking at, like I said, if he's in the last year of his contract, he doesn't have this guaranteed money, and he thinks like, hey, I get it. I totally get it. But he got what he had already got, like$49 million. He got another seven coming this year. And then guess what, Ocho? He got another 25, 27 coming the following year. So he's protected. That's why guys want these guaranteed contracts, Ocho, so I can be protected. not just for one year but for multiple years so i i get it but if the report is what chef is saying is true right i just don't know when this started taking place guys like i said hey look oh like i said oh cho we ain't look i done put i done put more to i done gone through so many tubes of toothpaste putting toothpaste on the guys during training camp because i know all he's gonna do is just walk out the door and pull it shut he ain't gonna look back at it.

55:44Shannon Sharpe:He just gonna grab it and got him. I done poured so much alcohol and lit it on fire and up under the door. Yeah, we play pranks like that. But we know... Look, you ain't... Don't touch a man's... You know. Boy, I saw somebody almost got the brakes beat off him. He took his hair, he took his brush, took the dude's brush and combed his pubic, brushed his pubic hair with it. With his brush? And put it back. Okay, see, see? People don't play... Now! Man, it ain't nothing... It ain't nothing but a brush. It ain't that serious. People don't play. The way you play, everybody don't play like that. Yeah.

56:24Shannon Sharpe:And you need to understand that. Right. Because you dealing with, like I said, I just don't get it. I just, like I said, I grew up at a time where men didn't play. Men rarely didn't play at all. I remember my grandfather and them telling no jokes. Like I said, we told a story. and my brother, I just sat down with him about somebody made a joke about my grandfather's teeth. My grandfather was driving off. He had his teeth, he had his false teeth, they were sitting on the dash. And got a Mr. Barney, don't let your teeth run away. And my grandfather put that car in reverse. Stopped that car and got out.

57:05Shannon Sharpe:He said, don't play. He said, I'm old enough to be your dad. He said, don't play with me. He said, I'm a grown-ass man. He said, find somebody to play with and I'm not him.

57:18Shannon Sharpe:Man, probably about five to a year before we spoke. My grandpa, because you know, all people should go get the gas that you get that full service, Ocho. Yes, sir. You know what I'm saying? They ain't pump their all gas. Then, hey, because you did the windows and you know what I'm saying, Ocho? You did the windows, got the windows all night. They still do that in Jersey, huh? Oh, they do that? Yeah, they do that in Jersey. Okay. man and so i'm i'm i'm surprised i'm really surprised that uh in in a today's society that allegedly what christian wilkins did i mean because he's like i said there are some things that like and and and photos that surface and i don't know i it might be ai it's hard to say hell i done got the way i don't really believe nothing on the internet anymore because i don't even know if it's real Ocho, if it's AI.

58:06Shannon Sharpe:Because AI have, you know, got an alligator riding a horse. So, Ocho, I don't even know what to believe anymore, Ocho, but I'm just saying. Guys, stop playing so much. All these people in pranks and all this stuff, and you see people walking up and they trying to prank somebody and they doing all this stuff. Y 'all stop that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on. Come on now. You're going to get yourself hurt. Yeah. And the first thing somebody family going to say, they didn't have to do him like that or they didn't have to do her do her like that. No, you didn't have to play like that.

58:49Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. People, everybody don't play the same. Somebody going to let y 'all have it. So just stop. Just stop. Like you said, that's a total stranger. You don't know them from Adam. and I know some I got great friends but we know how to play and we know what to say when we play certain things. There's certain things that's off limits and you understand that. You always know what line not to cross. You know your friends. You always know what buttons to push. You know what buttons not to push. You know what line not to cross and there's great understanding with that when it's someone that you've been friends with for a very long time.

59:31Correct. When it's somebody new, like you're on a new team, a teammate that you don't know that well outside of that building, there's certain things you can't do. You can't conduct yourself, you know, the way you conduct yourself with somebody known 20, 25 years.

59:47Shannon Sharpe:That's why you go in a new environment, you sit back and you observe. Yeah. Okay, I can joke with him. Can't joke with him. Or I can say something like this to him. Yeah. can't say that to him you got to read the room that's why you observe give yourself a month or two three months excuse me to observe and see who you can and can't play with yeah who you can talk to who you can make joke with who you can do certain things to you just need to be observing because being a locker room because you got a lot of different backgrounds don't you people come from a lot of different areas i mean the social economic background the different religions the different ideology how somebody was raised hey you don't know what the trigger is you just don't want to be the one to pull it right so i i'm sorry the the young man but uh uh hopefully they get this resolved because he's extremely talented he can play oh yeah he's going to the pro bowl he can play yeah he can rush the passing he's tremendous against the run um i it seems to me that he really enjoys the game sometimes i think he enjoys it too much but this i just like i said we don't know shefter's reporting that this incident did happen but he's saying that's not the that's not the sole reason of why they chose to go in this direction we don't know like i said that's what chapter's being reported we're reporting basically we're commenting on what Shepter's reporting.

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