In short
Best-of Part 2 highlights Madden ratings and a wide-receiver/tight-end football workshop, plus debates on trash talk and a brief dispute about Chris Carter’s comments.
Guests (featured voices)
Ocho (Chad Ochocinco) and “Ocho” co-host/partner (Ocho’s counterpart, “Ocho” is addressed repeatedly). Also discussed: Cam Newton (commentary clip), Chris Carter (mentioned), and NFL players who attended the receiver workshop: T. Higgins, Ja’Marr Chase, Jerry Jeudy (spelled “Jerry Judy”), Elijah Moore, KJ Osborn, Cortland Sutton, and DBs Pat Surtain Jr., Denzel Ward, and Derek Stingley Jr.
Key claims
Ocho says he was a “100” Madden rating in 1999 (“Unc” was rated 100 in ’99), claims he was one of the few “hundys,” and argues trash talk is entertainment pressure. He also claims he’s the greatest run blocker in NFL history and emphasizes sharing route-running knowledge rather than hoarding secrets.
Notable examples
The workshop clip includes Ocho’s emotional gratitude to big receivers showing up; a 30-minute discussion focused on beating Pat Surtain Jr. and other DBs’ techniques.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOMadden Ratings Discussion
0:00 to 0:34
Unk and Ocho discuss their Madden ratings and experiences in the game.
“When you're moving like I do, you don't always get a lot of lead time.”
Madden Ratings Discussion
2:18 to 2:52
Unk and Ocho discuss their Madden ratings and experiences in the game.
“I think if I'm not mistaken, a 98 overall.”
A Hundo Rating Revelation
2:52 to 3:47
A conversation about the rarity of a 100 rating in Madden.
“And so now when the NFL has started this National Tight Ends Day and the NFL started posting clips and people are like, hold on.”
Nostalgia and Competition
3:47 to 5:43
The hosts reflect on competition and camaraderie in football.
“Hey, hey, I need me some shoes that said a hundy.”
Receiver's Workshop Insights
5:43 to 8:28
Insights from a wide receiver workshop and the importance of player mentorship.
“I was still in high school in 99, so I got to go back.”
Emotional Moments in Football
8:28 to 9:02
A heartfelt moment reflecting on the importance of connection in football.
“Here's to the calloused hands of freedom.”
Legacy and Knowledge Sharing
9:02 to 14:03
Discussing the importance of sharing knowledge among players for growth.
“Why out workout camp last week the clip of you being emotional and grateful to the guys that showed up in that case In that case chat haven't seen it yet.”
Understanding the Legacy of Football
14:03 to 15:20
Explore the significance of acknowledging past football greats and their influence on the game.
“Now, someone gave you wisdom and knowledge and understanding.”
Conversations About Defensive Backs
15:21 to 17:26
Delve into discussions about the skills and strategies required to face top NFL cornerbacks.
“I'm glad you got an opportunity to that.”
The Importance of Technical Skills
17:27 to 19:10
Learn about the technical skills essential for succeeding as a wide receiver in the NFL.
“So he had great – so the first thing I noticed about Pat Sertain when he got to Alabama, I say this for a freshman, this dude is technically sound like he should be in the league already.”
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The Role of Blocking for Receivers
19:11 to 20:46
Discuss the significance of blocking in the wide receiver position and its impact on plays.
“I know you love everything about coaching except coaching itself because you damn sure ain't going to put those – you want to put that kind of hours in and be on – that's my time to die.”
Challenges in Modern Blocking Techniques
20:47 to 22:02
Examine the evolving challenges of blocking in the NFL and the strategies to overcome them.
Ranking the Best Trash Talkers
22:03 to 23:06
Hear the comedic ranking of the greatest trash talkers in NFL history and their impact on the game.
“This list is bull jive because yours truly isn't on it.”
The Art of Trash Talking
25:31 to 32:04
Analyze the nuances and strategies behind effective trash talking in sports.
“To honor our country on its 250th birthday, this can of Copenhagen goes out to those defending the free American soil that our tobacco has taken root in for over two centuries and counting.”
Comparing Trash Talk Styles
32:05 to 35:38
Discussion on different styles of trash talk, featuring anecdotes and personal experiences.
“Phillip Rivers, now I mean, think about it.”
The Best Madden Player
35:39 to 38:12
A playful debate about video gaming skills and the competitive edge of being involved in game production.
“It all depends on who starts talking trash back or who started first.”
Addressing Criticism and Stats
38:13 to 41:47
A candid conversation about sports statistics and personal performance, challenging public perceptions.
“I mean, the only thing I probably can't even play.”
Reflections on Reputation
41:48 to 42:00
Reflections on personal reputation and handling criticism in the sports world.
“Have you had you have you had a conversation with CeCe?”
Discussing Hall of Fame Criteria
42:00 to 43:34
Explore the debate around who qualifies as a Hall of Famer based on statistics.
“No, I don't I don't need to have a question.”
Comparative Achievements in Football
43:34 to 45:59
Analyze the career statistics of different football players and their impact.
“No, but I'm saying I thought, I mean, I think maybe he wanted you to respond in a different way.”
Confidence in Abilities
45:59 to 47:26
Discuss the importance of self-belief and confidence in one's abilities.
“He only got 3 ,000 more yards than me and played five more seasons.”
Practical Experience vs. Theory
47:26 to 48:20
Contrast between practical experience in sports and theoretical knowledge.
“One thing about the wide receiver camp, the workshop that I just had, is I'm not just talking.”
Transcript
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2:17Shannon Sharpe:Oh, let me ask you a question. What's your highest ranking, O'Madden? What's the highest you've been ranked? The highest I've been ranked? I think if I'm not mistaken, a 98 overall. I think a 98 overall. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, I was that boy back in the day, man. I was that boy. I was nice. I think, you know, for me, and I'm going to really be honest with you, I don't think people understand really how good I was unless you are really a football person because the antics and the fun and entertainment that I had, it takes away from all the hard work i actually put in to be able to pull some shit i did off and i'm just being honest and that goes for people even at the even even the the the most highest analysts or those that have been watching the game for years they allow the antics and entertainment to get away from how actually how good i mean that happens because it's like what and i like it but i like it like that i enjoy that i i enjoyed it now that's what i wanted to remember for so well that's what happens i mean they say well he just talks he's loud he's bragging and all that.
3:18Shannon Sharpe:And so now when the NFL has started this National Tight Ends Day and the NFL started posting clips and people are like, hold on. Okay, now I see why Unk was like that for real. But here's the thing though, Ocho. See, you was a 98. I was one of the few guys that's ever been a hundo. Yeah, but I'm a 99. Yeah, for sure. I've been him. You was a 100? Run till that. Wait, for real? A hundy. What, you mean? A hundy. Hey, hey, I need me some shoes that said a hundy. Because they ain't been a hat. The gold shoes? No. A hundy got to be platinum. Gold is for 99. I need platinum shoes. Basically, I got to check all time.
4:09I got to check the vote. I got to check the vote. I ain't never heard of no hundy.
4:12Shannon Sharpe:Because normally during the game, I wore red shoes. because I clown foods. That's what I did. For real, don't you? Let me tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going to give it to you the first half because you're going to be jealous that I didn't give you any so I'm going to give it to you the second half. But all y 'all are going to get it. All y 'all are about to get all this here. So don't worry about it. Don't tell him to shut up and stop talking to me because I'm about to start talking to you. I'm about to hit you up too. Oh yeah. I got to check that out. I know you didn't. And after that, nobody else could ever get a Hyundai.
4:53Shannon Sharpe:After 99, they cut it out. After 99, they cut it out. No, no more Hyundis. You were the last 100 then? After me, there will be no more. Okay, I like that. It's only a 99 rated. It's up there right now. They're looking at it. When they got the 99 tight end, like Gronk was 99 for a couple of years. Kelsey's been 99 for a couple of years. But the first guy up there, you better stop playing with me. I'm too big of a cat to be playing like a kitten. Somebody got to send that to my phone, man. Somebody got to send that to my phone. Hold on. That's like being in the grocery store and starving. How the hell you go on the grocery store and starve?
5:37Shannon Sharpe:You work at EA. How the hell you somebody need to send it to your phone? I worked at EA, but you talk about 99. I was still in high school in 99, so I got to go back. That's how long I've been kicking for. When you was in junior high, I was cooking them. I keep telling you, people used to see me on the field with a pan, with a pot. They say, man, what you got in that pot? I said, I'm going to cook you foods. That's why I got this pot out here on the field. I'm cooking crabs today. Yeah, it's a low country bowl. I got crab. I got a sausage. I got corn on the cob, I got potatoes. All you bums getting it.
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8:52Shannon Sharpe:Oh, let's jump right into it before we get into some topics. Tell us about your wide eye camp because there's like the D lineman got a camp The tight ends have what they call tight in you and I think you started what you call why receive why receive a work workshop Why out workout camp last week the clip of you being emotional and grateful to the guys that showed up in that case In that case chat haven't seen it yet. We're gonna play this clip for you. Take a look at it Y 'all know how much I love the game. You know how much I love y 'all. Man, throughout the years, I've tweeted about every last one of y 'all, so you already know how I feel about you.
9:25And they brought the idea to me. I talked to the court. I talked to some of y 'all boys yesterday. And I was scared to make that call because... Yes, sir. Let it out, man. That's what it thought. What's up? Let it out. You deserve it, man. You deserve it, bro. that's why we gotta come together. You feel me? Hey, it's a lot of pride and ego in the receiver position. Honestly, I thought some of the big boys and just any of y 'all, y 'all busy. I'm busy. You know how to be. So, for you to show up, that mean the world to me. Like, I don't cry normally, and I really ain't really ashamed to do it in front of y 'all.
10:13I swear to God, I appreciate your I swear to God And I look forward to what we do tomorrow We're going to keep talking Talk about the game of football I don't want to run you to death But I want to get into what you need to work on to improve You know, where you can get back to work And feel good about something new That you got and you stole from somebody else's game You know, other than that Let's y 'all get out of this rain, man Like, I seriously salute y 'all, man Clap it out, y 'all, clap it out, clap it out Hey, that was dope. That was a good feeling. A good feeling a lot of people are probably watching with not great understanding about the love I have for the game.
10:52Not just the game in general, but the craft when it comes to that artwork when it comes to playing the position of receiver and how much I embedded and love that artistry. And for those fellas to show up, for the big boys to actually show up for me, it meant a lot. It meant a lot. For one, for me to be so far removed from the game and to want to help those that are still playing, you know, and finding tweaks and things that they can improve on and add to their game. There's nothing that we have as a collective group, as receivers, we can all get together under one umbrella and talk about the game of football, talk about route running and anything that comes along with that, ways to manipulate defenses, ways to give a illusions that you run at full speed than when you really, I mean, when you, when you're really not just little tricks in the trade of the craft in itself.
11:47And, and, um, but them boys showed up, they showed up because I look at them as a fan. I don't look at them as Ocho that's already played. I look at them in awe, like I'm looking up to them and they tried to get me to see fool, you tripping. We look up to you because we still studying your stuff from way back then. but I don't view myself like that or in that light, which is why the emotion and the tears came from like I can't believe it, they actually showed up T. Higgins, Jamal Chase Corlin's son, Jerry, we talk about people that are already established in the league that ain't got their big paydays they don't have to come out here they don't have to but it's a testament, forget them coming for me, a testament where they are with their game and wanting to improve and get better at their craft and what they do.
12:38Shannon Sharpe:Well, you want to get better. I mean, I guarantee you if they have a convention and they invite the top 100 tech guys, I guarantee you they're going to show up because iron sharpens iron. You know, we got to get out of this illusion where I don't want to give away no secrets. I don't want to give away no secrets. And I'm trying to do this. I keep this to myself. What good is all this knowledge if you hoard it? Somebody had to, you, I don't care what any receiver tells you. He did not learn or forget the position. he did not learn everything on his own he got it from somewhere right so instead of you sharing it you want to hoard it now what if somebody would have done that to you what if somebody would have hoarded that information and teach you how to bend and how to dip yeah oh or somebody teach you how to snatch pool so now you get the information but see that's how we see a lot of times don't show we'll get up now we'll use a ladder to get up and once we get up we'll pull the ladder up to make sure nobody else get up there with us.
13:37Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
13:38Shannon Sharpe:How many times have we seen that? We see it a lot. I ain't going to get political with you, but we see a lot of that. A lot of people came through immigration. Now they got over here, kicked that ladder down. Now you ain't getting up here. I'm here now, so damn you. And a lot of times athletes have that same mentality. Somebody in partake, and maybe it wasn't publicly. Maybe it was a private setting. Now, someone gave you wisdom and knowledge and understanding. You want to pretend like you got that all on your own. What I like most, Ocho, because a lot of times these guys forget that there was somebody before them.
14:20Shannon Sharpe:And it seems like if it didn't happen in the internet age, it didn't happen. Right. Oh, man, I don't know about that guy. Well, that guy got 100 and something touchdowns. That guy have 15, 16, 17 ,000 yards. Oh, you thought they just started playing wide receiver like 30 years ago? Right. I like sometimes, sometimes, not all. There's no such thing as all or every. Guys forget. I'm not taking women out of this. You can talk about the WNBA. We'll talk about that at a later date and time. I'm just talking about men in professional sport. It's almost like we want to poo-poo. The one thing that I've never done is I've never forgotten the guys that laid the foundation.
15:00Shannon Sharpe:from the Mackies to the Dickers to the Aussies to the Winslow II to the Jackie Smith, guys like that, Raymond Chesters. I know the history of that position. I know the history of the tight end position and of the NFL. So, therefore, I'm greatly, greatly appreciative.
15:19Shannon Sharpe:But that was great. That was really great to see. I'm glad you got an opportunity to that. Hopefully, hopefully, you can get sponsors like we see at tight end you, and it gets bigger and bigger and better and better year after year. So kudos to you. Yeah, most definitely. Taking time out of your busy schedule and say, you know what, guys, I want to bring you guys together and impartake some of the wisdom that I've been given over the course of the years. And maybe only one to two people got something out of what you said or what someone else said, but that was success because that was information they wouldn't have gotten had they not been there.
15:55Yeah, it was dope. and my favorite part of the two days that we had together was sitting there talking, obviously, to Jerry. I'm talking to all Elijah Moore, KJ Osborne, all them boys. But the greatest conversation that I really enjoyed was me, Uno, obviously, Jamar Chase, Jerry Judy, and Cortland Sutton. We had a 30-minute discussion. I'm talking about a good 30 on ways to beat Pat Sertain Jr.
16:28Shannon Sharpe:Hey, we said he's so he's so I swear to God. The first thing they all say, Judy, he's so long. He's so patient. Chase say anything short. You're not you're not you're not going to be able to run it. And the conversation about Pat is a testament to him to how great he is and how good he is. And of course, I said what I could. We went back and forth. It was a great dialogue on that. Then they talked about the other DBs that are very, very difficult. not as long but technically sound and savvy they talked about denzel ward on how difficult chase talked about how difficult it is small great award yeah when you play him you got to be on your p's and q's they talked about stingley when you play stingley you got to be on your p's and q's obviously other great there are other great defensive backs in the nfl but the way those dudes praise Pat Sertain, Stenely, and Denzel Ward.
17:21Man, it was wonderful.
17:25Shannon Sharpe:Wonderful. Thing to help Pat, who is his dad? So his dad was a pro bowler. Yes, sir. So he had great – so the first thing I noticed about Pat Sertain when he got to Alabama, I say this for a freshman, this dude is technically sound like he should be in the league already. You look at him, and there's no wasted motion. There ain't nothing. There ain't no, you know, he tried a boom. If you release inside, boom. Stabbing every time. Bam. And he's sliding. Stabbing every time. I'm like, damn, he technically sound. Damn ain't no wasted motion. I mean, he get, he, bam. And when that back foot plant, he driving.
18:05Yeah, every time.
18:06Shannon Sharpe:But as he talked about, we had him on Ochoa, where he won the defensive player of the year, and we talked to him. He said, look, study. I'm looking at formations. I'm looking at splits. I'm looking at down and distance. I'm looking at area of the field. I'm also looking at, okay, the personnel, all that. That's why you need to be smart as a football player because you got to be able to process that in an instant. Instantly, yeah. He who hesitates in sports is beat. Yeah. It's a game of inches. And in the NFL, unless it's a blown coverage, you throw people open. and these guys in this league are good enough to throw a receiver open.
18:46Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. So you can't waste motion because the really good receivers are not going to waste motion. Hey, all that drop in your arms, hey, you telling the DB I'm about to stop. All that, I'm about to break. You telling him? The ball going the other way. And you about to tell him, hey, dude, I'm about to run this out. Break on it. Yeah. Because that's what's going to happen. So it was great to see you in that environment, Ocho. I know you love everything about coaching except coaching itself because you damn sure ain't going to put those – you want to put that kind of hours in and be on – that's my time to die.
19:23Shannon Sharpe:No, no, no. I want you to come out there and talk to him during the summer. You ain't going to be no coach. Yeah, but listen, I can't coach in a structured environment, but when it comes to talking the game of actually route running, getting open, understanding what's across from you and how to beat it, now that I can do. Now that I can do. But you know what I noticed, Ocho? What about the run blocking? I ain't seen you do none of that. Oh, I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said that. Now, if you look at my stats statistically, this is one of the things that really aren't shown statistically.
19:53I'm the greatest run blocker in the history of the NFL. Oh, Lord. That is not true. I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you. Now, when you think about blocking, everyone thinks about a physical specimen when it comes to playing receiver. Sometimes the indicator is just being who you are in general. Yeah, and all I got to do sometimes I ain't got to touch nobody. I just run off and I take three people with me
20:15Shannon Sharpe:Well, I think the thing is for the you look at the West Coast You look at West Coast offenses. Those guys got a block or you're not getting the ball You look at a guy like a Heinz Ward Who made his name? He was a man with a catch it up catching a thousand passes. He was known as a blocker He was like physical. I mean Heinz he took pride he's like well y 'all try to tear my head off when i got the ball in my arms right now i get an opportunity to peel your cap right i'm peeling it all the way back to the white wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute now you said hines was a physical now that's not to take nothing away from me now i was a very physical blocker that's your game now it's not my game but it was part i had it in my repertoire when i yeah you can yeah yeah it's it's a uh um it's a tool that you didn't use so you know how people got a toolbox and they got all the tools in there and they only use the flat head or the phillips head screwdriver they use the vice grips they use the monkey wrench and they use the adjustment ring that's it but they got a hundred apparatuses in there but at the end of the day it's all about getting the job done yes uh whether you whether you got if you got force you push that corner and then come down on because they don't let you crack no more ocho it's hard oh no it's getting the harder the harder the block because you know you used to be able to push that to push the corner and then see that safety creeping down there and down and cracking now they blind side that's what they call it blind side block defense man yeah head on the swivel bro all you gotta do you just stand in the way for your arms oh you gotta move because the pile will get you yeah oh yeah yeah yeah the pilot you You got to worry about that pile, Ocho, so you got to keep your feet moving because you know, hey, we all have been rolled up on.
21:58Shannon Sharpe:Yep, keep them feet turning. And it ain't no damn fun. Ocho, pro football addict, named the top ten trash talkers in NFL history. This list is bull jive because yours truly isn't on it. Number one, Chad Ochocinco. Number two, Smitty, Steve Smith Sr. Three, Richard Sherman. Number four, me. Number five, Dion. Number six, Phillip Rivers. Number seven, T.O. Number eight, Suggs. Number nine, Ray Lewis. Number 10, Courtland Sutton. I feel I should be number one, but... Whoa, whoa, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. I know you feel you should be number one. I should. I know you feel you should be number one, but you have to understand.
22:39You have to understand. The art of trash talking is me. It represents me. If the art of trash talking was in a dictionary, there would be a picture of me. You were great at trash talking. You were great at it. You were great at it. But you have to understand, I took it to levels never seen or done before. Quiet confidence. It's not what you see. It's what you feel. A suit tailored just for you. A perfectly timed guy's trip. Choosing On Plus nicotine pouches over rough corners and edges. Because some things may look better, but the other things simply feel better. On plus nicotine pouches with Nikko Silk Mesh, the softest pouch on the planet.
23:24Shannon Sharpe:Not all varieties available in all geographies. Warning, this product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical. Hey, this is Hayes Davenport. And Sean Clemens. We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook. Every episode, we're trying to help our guests improve their careers by mainly focusing on how they can help us improve our careers. The show is famously super accessible, so you can easily jump into any of our 650 episodes and understand what's going on. We recommend some of our recent episodes with Ben Stiller. The definition of what is a movie has kind of changed anyway, too, right?
23:53What do you think it is now? It's images and words being spoken, captured by some sort of technology. Danny McBride. He loves Moutons. Oh, that's fantastic. And you make it on, you make your own. That's great. I call him Taro Reed.
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24:10Shannon Sharpe:That's a good name. They're all named after cast members of American Pie. Yeah. Oh, gotcha. I never looked up if she was in this, but I call him Leachie Sobieski. I don't think she was in American Pie, but I still like that. Haven't looked it up. Haven't looked it up. She was prominent around the same time. Then Mary Steenburgen. Why are you guys talking to me like, why are you talking so down to me that you think I don't understand your little play game? I just really am trying to set you up for success here. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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25:19And now, we even have more great guests coming up, including the great John Turturro. It's called happiness. Delivering happiness. Mariano Rivera. Oh, my God. And many, many more. Open your free iHeartRadio app, search Delivering Happiness with Nick Turturro, and listen now. To honor our country on its 250th birthday, this can of Copenhagen goes out to those defending the free American soil that our tobacco has taken root in for over two centuries and counting. Here's to the calloused hands of freedom. Copenhagen, saluting American grit, proven since 1822. Warning, this product is not a safe alternative to cigarettes.
26:05Okay, there's a certain entertainment value to the trash talk that I provided. I was talking trash, right? Let me stay with me real quick. Just real quick on a losing team and I could fill a stadium With my trash talk alone. So the seats we sold out because they come to see what I'm going to do based off what I said You see what I'm saying? You see what I'm saying? Yeah, come on. Come on now. Stay with me now. This is different. So when I play away they coming to see what he's going to do next based off what he said. Now the pressure was on me to be able to make sure I gave people their money's worth after I did all the talking.
26:42That's pressure in itself. So I'm not taking nothing away from you. You were great at what you did. But I just had a different aspect and different entertainment value to my trash. What clip do they show all the time?
26:56Shannon Sharpe:Call the National Guard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Also, you do realize I had a coach, a coach resign and a player got suspended because I was trash talking. Right. I got you. I got you. I got you. But you got to understand, listen, I lost money behind my entertainment and trash talking. I send gifts to my opponents in secondaries to elevate the level of trash talk. The bravado in which I brought to the game is a little different. Now, you did, you, you, hey, listen, you were phenomenal. you have to remember i did it in a losing effort in a losing atmosphere uh-huh just to make it fun for those watching i need to be mic'd up more when i was getting into it because you know ocho you realize like you don't talk as much when you mic'd up because before the simple fact is people gonna think oh he don't do that much talking he's just doing this because he mic'd up see the difference is right notice i never wore a mouthpiece i just i didn't know what i was yeah i didn't wear a mouthpiece because I need to be able to converse with you throughout the entirety of the game yeah yeah and the problem is this is the thing I'm not talking I think you talk Steve Smith talked trash to get the person angry yeah Richard Sherman talked trash to get the person angry Cam Newton I saw his little clip earlier about him being the best trash talker and said he gets people upset I'm not trying to get you upset I don't want you mad I want you happy I just need to see if you can engage with me and converse with me in the middle of a game, I got you mentally.
28:27You already beat.
28:28Shannon Sharpe:I don't care what you get. You can get mad, you can get happy at the end of the day. Right. Titus! Titus, what's up? What? Titus, where you been at? What'd they do, twin? You supposed to be holding it down. So who didn't show up for work? That's what I need to know. Who didn't show up for work? Huh? Oh, Titus. Look at my dog, man. the dog chilling man where your brother say i got another brother here where you got another one yeah not not his side oh no they eat too much ah but where he at uh man you ain't you ain't even let me see him hold on thanos wait you named him thanos yeah well god damn he that big where do you see it shell bring thanos oh boy i know that hey i know that joke would be how much you weigh about 160.
29:29what the hell that teddy was four pounds
29:35Shannon Sharpe:that ain't hello everybody my name is thanos well he ain't gonna grow no more yeah he maxed out ocho that's what you gotta give you gotta give him a better name than that like peewee nah he don't want to be no pcs out big he's i run stuff around here he's a tired to get a bone i take it i'm like that what happened to teddy bell teddy bear on the couch how did they get along man he'd be he'd be he'd be harassing teddy bear like something crazy when i had the other one i had baby teddy bear was a nuisance was a menace right i mean the other one couldn't get no peace now all he doing is repaying the favor okay okay i got i got i got i like that i like that but how how much i don't mean to be in your pockets but how much that was there no focus huh i ain't my own mean to be in your pocket i'm just curious how much that was there you know you look look look something you know i can't tell you where i got it from because you know it'll been a tariff on it okay okay okay okay i understand i i know i know that you really want to answer that question i'm still trying to i just want to know the numbers on him that's it a little something little something you know look you know look treat myself i ain't bought myself nothing you know okay okay i still got the same the same range the same uh uh bmw so you know i said you know what let me get myself something i ain't bought a watch i ain't bought no clothing and so you know right right that was that was my uh that was my birthday gift that i got okay okay well but listen listen listen i'm listen i told you i told you i got a dude out liberty city right i got a dude in liberty city gets you everything exotic from animals to dogs to pets to yeah i know i could i could have got you that i could have got you that for 200.
31:20now i'm just saying what's that a teacup right teacup pom pom no he's regular size he's not
31:27Shannon Sharpe:i mean he's not gonna get much bigger than that right teacups i mean teacups they'd be like like three pounds okay have a lot of health issues he said he was four pounds though he four pounds he'll probably he'll probably top out at about six okay okay that's cool because i got my dog my dog in liberty city his name lonzo you didn't get you a puppy you need to get you something to keep you grounded you travel too much hey i can't do that i can't all my furniture white here i don't want no dogs running around here i ain't got no time for that everything everything in here is white you know you can you know you can train an animal right yeah i ain't got that kind of time i ain't got that kind of time baby all right so the chop uh top 10 trash talkers ocho is number one Smitty, number two.
32:06Shannon Sharpe:Sherm, three. Myself is four. Time is five. Phillip Rivers, now I mean, think about it. A quarterback has made the list. Hey, he don't curse, but he's funny, though. He be talking. Dog dog it. Hey, with that one, when you threw that touchdown against Jacksonville, and he screamed at the whole guy's ear. Hey, hey, hey, ref, tell him that story. Okay. I will scream in your ear. No, you won't. t.o uh thugs uh sugar and uh courtland finnegan oh that's that's a nice little list it's a nice list it is it is i mean sure i'm sure some people will look at the list they will disagree with the numerical oh i got one john randall you gotta have johnny on here that's that's a good gotta have johnny on here we came out we came out the same the same draft in 1990 johnny was a people don't know this but johnny was a free agent johnny got drafted as a 235 defense 230 he was 230 as a defensive lineman oh yeah and turned himself into the what one of the great dt's that had a relentless motor yes sir yeah dt he was nice they were nice boy apparently cam called us out to think he's a better trash talker let's listen to what cam had to say but when it comes to putting these nouns and verbs uh-huh you know i'm saying putting it together it comes down to just being witty you dig it i'm saying yeah i'm trying to tell you peggy sometimes you gotta point your toes east and west to let everybody know who's the actual best and i no disrespect to unc uncle shay and Chad Chadwick Johnson huh but they would have hated me because I'm going to get personal you feel what I'm saying oh yeah we got to do that I don't fight fair I don't talk fair but it's some truth behind everything that I say and that's where I'm willing to go man I say something oh it's trying to make your kids hate me you see you see that see he's he's talking trash trying to get under someone's skin that's not the type of trash talk i did i talk trash in an entertainment value way for fun to have fun to let you know we're gonna compete see that's just talking i went i took it the extra mile.
34:33Do people not realize the week before a game I FedExed the secondaries gifts as a small way to taunt in a certain way. Nothing malicious but to have fun.
34:47Shannon Sharpe:That was a token of your appreciation. Exactly. To let you know I'm thinking of you. D 'Angelo I sent them boys in Atlanta. I sent them gifts. You know obviously we know what I did for the Steelers. I had a sponsorship with Degree Deodorant. I sent the Ravens secondary. I sent in Degree Deodorant as a gift because y 'all stink. You're going to be stinking when I'm done with you. That's all fun and love. Before I get... His type of trash talking, what I'm doing is completely do two different sides of the spectrum. But I respect what he did. But he's nothing, not even close. We're not in same stratosphere when it comes to talking trash because for me like i said i went to an hbcu come on that that's all if you go to an hbcu i don't know i don't know who's out there listening that has been to an hbcu but if you can't joan you can't you ain't gonna survive you can't survive you ain't gonna survive i mean hey me i'm hey y 'all y 'all y 'all heard me going back and forth I'm talking about we just, this ain't no, you know, hey, I don't know who I'm going to talk trash to in the game.
36:00Shannon Sharpe:It all depends on who starts talking trash back or who started first. I'm going to get it started. You know, I'm going to say something. And I'm going to see, I'm going to keep going until I, hey, I'm going to turn the door handle and see which one's open. Because a lot of them be locked, don't you? They ain't going to say nothing to you. But I'm going to keep, hey, everybody don't lock their doors at night. You know what I'm saying? And somebody run down on you. Because, you know, it used to be in the 70s and early, the 70s and 80s, you can sleep with your door open, let alone lock. Yeah. But now people get crazy after dark.
36:29Shannon Sharpe:You got to keep your hand on your thing. So with that being said, everybody locking the doors, but not everybody. Somebody go forget. Oh, yeah. Because they thought somebody else locked the door. Oh, that's when I turn to handling and be gone on in. Yeah. But Cam, look, I know you good. I know you good at putting things together, you know, adverbs and predicates and pronouns and adjectives. Mm-mm. Oh, no. but when it comes when it comes hey when it comes to lip sparring yeah i'm talking about joe what hey just hey just go yeah talk to him monk hey and cam that's another thing you worried about who's the better trash talker yeah i need to be practicing madden you need to be practicing madden because i'm still waiting on that smoke all that talking you're doing and matter of fact i got the new madden already i got madden 26.
37:19so you practice by the time so when he get it You're going to be proficient at it. Matter of fact, the funny thing about it is, I am the best gamer. I'm the best Madden player in the world. I have an advantage over everyone else because I'm a part of the production of the game in itself. So the fact that people think they can beat me, it's almost laughable. Like I told you, Cam and Dez Bryant, I love them fellas. They play for recreation. I play video games as a way of life. It's how I pay my bills. That's why I don't understand when they come at me talking about beating me in a video game what you talking about my life's getting cut off if i'm playing for bills you think you think i'm gonna miss my light bill and my mortgage because you
37:59Shannon Sharpe:think you're gonna beat me and matt man well my life's getting cut off i ain't got you know i ain't got no got no central heat in the cooler because if i got to play video games to pay bills you You want to be in a dog? Ain't nothing jumping off. No. I mean, the only thing I probably can't even play. Ocho, I mean, I think I played like, I used to play Ms. Pac-Man, play Josh or something like that. But I was, I mean, we didn't have no video. I mean, we could go to the arcade. We get a couple of quarters. My sister would go wash clothes, and they would have some video games or pool table or something like that.
38:35But I was, nah.
38:39Shannon Sharpe:Nah, shooting pool now. Oh, you know how to shoot? I beat Efren Reyes, beat Minnesota Fast. They call me Slim. Willie Moscone, Steve Miserat. Hey. I don't know about that, but you got to show me. Jeanette Lee, Vivian. You got to show me. The best in the house. You got to show me. Best in the house, Ocho. You got to show me because pool is what I do. Huh? Pool is what I do. Listen, you know what they used to call me? I used to play at the pool hall, right? On 54th Street, right off of 12th Avenue They used to call me Sugarcane My pool stick My pool stick looked like Sugarcane, it was green My pool stick was green, they called me Sugarcane You green, if you think you could beat me Man, you can't beat Slim You can't beat Georgia Slim Don't do it to yourself, please You can't beat Georgia Slim I beat Fats I beat Minnesota Fats come on now ask about me out here in the city man when it comes to hey listen when it comes to the pool pool table when it comes to ping pong that's what I do when it comes to handball I beat the issue out of you in table tennis
39:56boy listen boy I told you they called me sugar cane I had a green pool stick they called me sugar cane I'm going to miss around and catch you one day
40:06Shannon Sharpe:I'm going to catch you one day somewhere. They're going to have a pool table in there. They're going to have a table tennis thing in there. Oh, wait, wait, wait. You ain't got to catch me nowhere. I come where you at, and we can go to a pool hall because we got plenty of them.
40:22I bet you ain't got your own stick. My stick right here. Ocho, I beat you with a broomstick. I don't need no damn pool cue to beat you. See, you ain't no real pool player. Best of the house. Hey, hey, I'm a shark. man they call me when they they call me when somebody at the pool hall that think they good
40:42Shannon Sharpe:i'll let you win a couple of games to let you bet the money then i come in there nah come on man tighten up this oh joe while we're away there's some people that have some words for you for me chris carter has some words for ocho last week he said there were points oh yep he said there were points in chad's career that you had to go out there and tell him what to do because he couldn't get open to save his life he couldn't get open against average guys Chad Johnson scored double-digit touchdowns one time in his 11 years. I think I scored double-digit touchdowns six times. Scoring the football is the number one play at the receiver.
41:16Shannon Sharpe:No, I was not a burner. I ran 4-6, 4-6-5, but can do it every single day. Can do it for four quarters and the consistent at it. Ocho?
41:29You know what that get? Child, please. What do we do?
41:35Shannon Sharpe:I don't know what I don't I'm just trying to figure out what you have a question before you even go. What the hell is that matter? What does it matter? Okay, you scored double the touchdowns. Okay, cool. You want a cookie? Right. Okay. What brought this on? Have you had a conversation? Have you had you have you had a conversation with CeCe? No, I don't I don't need to have a question. So, right? I heard also he said, well, he only had double-digit touchdowns one season. So, he's not a Hall of Famer. But does that mean Julio Jones is not a Hall of Famer either? Because Julio Jones only had double-digit touchdowns one season.
42:15You have dumb that sounds?
42:18Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Well, sometimes I listen to things and everyone's situation is different, you know? Everyone's situation is different, you know? I mean, so stuff like that, I pay it no mind because everything is predicated off numbers and based on what they did. based on other people's situations were different. Obviously, where I was, I did the best I could with the cards I was dealt. And I did one hell of a goddamn job. I don't care not about what you did. I don't care not about your numbers. It don't make me none. Why is my name even being brought up? That's what I'm trying to figure out. I don't know why it was brought up.
42:54Shannon Sharpe:I don't. Because like I said, Ocho, me, I don't really listen to anybody else's podcast. I got enough thing to try to, you know, to try to make our podcast better than what it is. And I got Club Shay Shay. So I'm trying to get guests and I'm going with the book. It's like, OK, who do you think we should get? Blah, blah, blah. So I don't really have time to pay attention. But it just kept popping up, not only on, it kept popping up on Twitter. And then I saw it on the internet. I'm like, OK, what brought this about? I said, did Ocho say something about him? Or what transpired? inspired for one you know I don't talk about people yeah we definitely don't talk about people that do what we do never and you know I don't talk about about nobody you know but you know congratulations on everything he said a happy I happy for you Chris Carter your double digit touchdowns and and your hall of fame and all that other good stuff I love you I wish you content continued success and whatever it is you got going on baby I know what we doing over here I know where I'm going.
43:58I'm going that way.
44:00Shannon Sharpe:Maybe he wanted you to respond. I did respond. I just said I love him. No, but I'm saying I thought, I mean, I think maybe he wanted you to respond in a different way. Nah, nah. It goes back and forth. I ain't got time. Look, okay, we don't got too grown. First of all, you got kids. I got kids. I got grandkids. I'm not finna go. look what we did we did i can't he can't go back and score no more touchdowns you can't go back and score no more touchdowns i can't go back and score no more touchdowns okay we right here hey hold on i'm still scoring touchdowns right now oh man yes you're doing that great job oh man i'm still scoring touchdowns in life he played i don't care about that i'm scoring double double digit touchdowns right now yeah for sure come on now you're not seeing you're not you're not hearing where I'm coming from.
44:51Shannon Sharpe:I hear what you said. I know. I know. But that's my thing is that sometimes we get caught up and talk about what we used to do. We all were great. What you doing now? Talk to me. What you doing now? We were all great at once upon a time in our own right. Okay. You know, you did what you did. I think CC played 16 seasons. Wait, how many he played? 16. How many I played? I don't know. Hell, you played. I think you played 11 or 12, didn't you? 11. How many? Hey, I played 11. He played 16. How many yards you got? Man, look here. I'm just asking. I'm just trying to get a better understanding. How many yards you got?
45:39Shannon Sharpe:Ask, how many yards does CeCe have?
45:47Shannon Sharpe:but okay the chat says cc snap because he was pissed at ocho for saying that he could beat travis in a one-on matchup 10 out of 10 times why is he worried about bro we just be joking when we say stuff man it ain't that serious he knew that he knew that because i do the same thing with everybody he just you do you just like as i said ocho can't you not challenge everybody that come on here who you you everybody that come on here can get that work you hear me and Travis Hunter. CC had a tick below 14 ,000 yards. He had 13 ,899 yards. So he played 15 season. 16, I think. 16. And he got, what, 13 ,000 yards?
46:27Shannon Sharpe:Almost 14 ,000. Okay. So he plays 15, 16. He only got 3 ,000 more yards than me and played five more seasons. I had 11? I guess, yeah. Okay, okay. I'm just trying to get a better understanding on why. Okay, cool. Anyway, but like I was saying, Anybody that come on this show, I have the utmost confidence in my ability and being able to do any and everything. That's something that a lot of people in this world lack. Even if you feel you can't do it, you have to feel you can because everything starts up here in the mind. So everybody that comes over here, regardless of what sport they play or whatever it is that they do, I feel I can beat them.
47:04And if you feel if you feel you can beat me doing it, what you do best, whatever it may be, you don't have to show me. gonna have to show me matter of fact chris carter i'll lock chris carter ass up right now talk about what he did you should he's 60.
47:21Shannon Sharpe:huh he's 60. what that mean he talking like he still got it get out here get on the field line it up put your cleats on i'll lock your ass up too we we got a pulse that's what we got so we breathe it we walk in we get up out of bed we had our right mind blood running warm up our veins wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute Wait a minute, see, this is the thing about it. One thing about the wide receiver camp, the workshop that I just had, is I'm not just talking. I'm not just saying what it should look like. I'm out there with my cleats and my shoes on. What? Out there running full speed. I still got it.
47:56You hear me? So it's one thing, once you go back in that structured environment, you know, with the X's and O's and you have a receiver coach that actually never really played the game. They just know the game based on paper and what it should look like.
48:08Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Like, I'm out there running them routes with you. I'm not telling you what it should look like. I can actually display it and show you. Boy, this is Picasso. Yeah. I would say this, love. I've known CeCe a long time. His brother and I used to hang when we were to the Super Bowls and stuff. I would just say this. CeCe know when the man joking. He wasn't that serious. No, no, no. No. CeCe, I love you, baby. But put them cleats on. Put them cleats on. I'm going to show you. Double-digit touchdown. I put these two hands on your chest. Why? You gonna catch shit.
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From the publisher
Shannon Sharpe drops some knowledge on Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson by telling him about his perfect 100 rating on Madden 1999! PLUS Ocho gives all the details on how his inaugural Wide Receiver Camp that brought together prominent NFL wideouts, including: Ja'Marr Chase, Tyreek Hill, Tee Higgins and more!
0:00 - Unc was rated 100 in 1999?!
4:04 - Ocho’s NFL Wide Receiver Camp
18:08 - Top 10 trash talkers of all time
32:57 - Cris Carter had words for Ocho?
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