In short
The episode is a “Best of QB Talk Part 1” debate focused on two QB storylines: Aaron Rodgers signing with the Steelers and Shadour Sanders falling to the Browns. Guests argue Rodgers gives Pittsburgh “hope” and fits Mike Tomlin’s win-now identity, but only if the Steelers’ supporting cast (they cite DK Metcalf, Austin III, Robert Woods) performs because Rodgers can’t “elevate” everyone. They discuss Rodgers’ one-year, $13.65M deal (with $10M guaranteed; up to $19.5M incentives), his number 8, and whether Tomlin could be on a hot seat if the offense fails. They also claim the Steelers’ long QB instability stems from not drafting/bridging properly, using examples like Kansas City, Baltimore, and Green Bay. For Shadour Sanders: they cite reports of a poor Giants interview, “unprepared” behavior, and a large entourage, but argue it may be “collusion” or media noise. They say Cleveland is a fit if the organization builds around him, and they note his fifth-round selection (pick ~144) by the Browns.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOAaron Rodgers Joins the Steelers
0:00 to 0:34
The hosts discuss Aaron Rodgers' signing with the Steelers and its implications for the team.
“When you're moving like I do, you don't always get a lot of lead time.”
Aaron Rodgers Joins the Steelers
2:27 to 6:08
The hosts discuss Aaron Rodgers' signing with the Steelers and its implications for the team.
“Guys, the Steelers have found their starting quarterback.”
Mike Tomlin's Leadership and Future
6:08 to 13:58
Exploring Mike Tomlin's coaching impact and the challenges facing the Steelers this season.
“Numbers not officially retired but not reissued.”
Mike Tomlin's Leadership and Future
15:04 to 15:30
Exploring Mike Tomlin's coaching impact and the challenges facing the Steelers this season.
Quarterback Drafting Decisions
15:30 to 20:22
Discussion on the strategic decisions in drafting quarterbacks.
“And just like Brett Favre was pissed off when they did what?”
Franchise Quarterback Dynamics
20:22 to 22:20
Exploring the relationship between quarterbacks and team management.
“Hey, before you start, like real quick, real quick, I just want to say something to you.”
Aaron Rodgers and Team Dynamics
22:20 to 24:58
Analysis of Aaron Rodgers as a potential distraction for teams.
“You don't have the leverage you once had where you were sought after, where you wanted the best in the league.”
Shadour Sanders Draft Analysis
27:20 to 28:01
Discussion on Shadour Sanders' draft experience and interview performance.
“Are your kids bored with the same old sports?”
Shadour Sanders' Interview Struggles
28:01 to 29:02
Discussion on Shadour Sanders' poor interview performance with the Giants and its implications.
“All these anonymous reports are coming out about Shadour having bad interviews, especially with the Giants.”
Entourage and Preparedness Debate
29:03 to 30:26
Debate about the role of entourages and accusations of Shadour's lack of preparedness.
“He didn't hit it off with Coach Dayball and seemed like he was unprepared.”
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Collusion Theories in Draft Process
30:27 to 31:45
Exploration of perceived collusion against Shadour Sanders in the NFL draft process.
“So I'm just happy he has this opportunity because what's happening in this scenario, in this situation, in which I still believe is collusion, I'm not talking about race.”
Cleveland Browns' Quarterback Situation
31:46 to 35:42
Analysis of the Cleveland Browns' quarterback situation and Shadour's potential fit.
“We have since Bernie for a very long time.”
Evaluating Shadour's Future Prospects
35:43 to 42:00
Discussion about Shadour's potential opportunities and challenges within the Browns.
“The Sanders family, they are who they are.”
Analyzing NFL Quarterback Situations
42:00 to 49:15
A discussion on quarterback selections, potential trades, and the fit of players in teams.
“I'm going to tell you how it's going to play out.”
Analyzing NFL Quarterback Situations
49:53 to 50:16
A discussion on quarterback selections, potential trades, and the fit of players in teams.
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Transcript
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2:26Shannon Sharpe:All right, let's get into this NFL news. Guys, the Steelers have found their starting quarterback. Aaron Rodgers put pen to paper on a one-year deal. He signed a one-year$13.65 million of passing a physical at the team facility on Saturday, sources told Adam Schefter. The deals include$10 million guaranteed and with incentives can reach$19.5 million. Ocho, let's go to you. What do you think? What are your expectations from Aaron Rodgers? And what will he give the Steelers? Hey, listen, what he gives the Steelers, he gives the Steelers hope. He gives the Steelers organization. He gives the Steelers fans.
3:02He gives them hope. You look at the AFC North. It's dominated by Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow. And I'm not sure what the Cleveland situation is going to look like. But Flacco obviously has. has um inside track to start yeah inside track because he's been the AFC North before being in Baltimore and and having success in Cleveland when he when he came in the start for Deshaun Watson when he got hurt so Aaron Rodgers is better than everything that the Steelers have outside of him at the quarterback position and that's no disrespect to them that's no disrespect to Mason Rudolph and whoever else they have there to have at the helm but Aaron Rodgers if he can show glimpses, just glimpses of what he was once in the past, I think they would be okay.
3:42They have enough pieces around him. Obviously, DK Metcalf, I'm not sure who the running back is. They got Austin. Austin III. And they got Robert Woods. Oh, and Robert Woods is there. He has a nice supporting cast around him. And you need the supporting cast to be on point to make his job easier because Aaron Rodgers is not in a position again to elevate those around him. he's going to need the help from those he's surrounded by.
4:09Shannon Sharpe:What do you think, Judon? What do you think about this deal? You like it? Well, I think the Steelers are like, they get hurt from the greatness of Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin always going to have them in contention. So they can't go and farm a quarterback from the draft. So I think this is their best pick. There's nobody else out there. there's nobody else unless you want to make a trade but nobody really traded no good quarterback like that and so if Aaron Rodgers can come in and complete passes and be good in the locker room and do enough they're going to be in the playoffs again because just how Mike Tomlin's had that physical defense they're always going to have a great pass rush with Cam and TJ Like, so it's going to be hard for them to be bad.
5:05Shannon Sharpe:They just can't mess it up on offense. The team announced that Rodgers will wear the number eight. He wore the same number in New York after wearing 12 in Green Bay. Terry Bradshaw wore number 12. And though it's not officially retired, the team doesn't typically give out that number. I think Joe Green, 75. I think Ernie Stoutner, 70. I think it's like three numbers that are officially retired, but I don't think they've given out like 32, whatever the number is, another number. I don't think they've given out 58, 47, like Mel Blunt. But there are certain, you know, obviously from that steel curtain era in which they won four Super Bowls in six years, some of those guys have numbers, and even though they're not officially retired, no one I don't think has worn those numbers since.
5:56Shannon Sharpe:But I know, I think Joe Green, yep, Franco Harris, okay, Ernie Stoutner, D-Tackle, his numbers retired, 70. Joe Green, 75. Franco Harris, 32. Numbers not officially retired but not reissued. Terry Bradshaw's 12. Troy Palamalu, 43. Jack Lambert's 58. Jack Hamm, 59. Dermani Dawson's 63. And number 86, Heinz Ward. well 86 retired it's not retired but they haven't reissued it to anyone since Heinz left you know also Aaron Ward ate at New York but you know he was ate at Cal too yeah Cal he was 8 so hopefully he can get some of that Cal Berkeley magic back in the system to help those Steelers out because listen if that's a very tough division at the top yeah you got the Ravens and Cincinnati Yeah, yeah.
6:56If he doesn't play well, if he doesn't play well, you know, players get coaches fired now. Yeah. And Tomlin could be on the hot seat for making, obviously he had him wait. He had the whole organization waiting. He's coming and obviously he's signed because they got minicamp coming up very soon, mandatory minicamp, and he wants to be a part of that, which is also a good thing. That's a good sign. That lets me know that he's buying in as opposed to what he did last season out there in New York. So that's a good thing. But I think if they have a bad season.
7:26Shannon Sharpe:You think Mike Tomlin on a hot seat? No, he hasn't. Excuse me. He just signed. Didn't he just sign an extension? What does that mean? That don't matter. What does that mean? They pay that out every year. Listen, they was already talking about it last year. Bro, the Steelers haven't fired a coach since 69. I was born in 68. I'm about to be 57. So they haven't fired a coach in 56 years. with so and you just said judah and the man hadn't had a losing season he he never gonna have a losing season he he trained him so well they play they play so hard for mike thomas he ain't never gonna have a losing season that that's enough that's enough just having just having just just you know i don't think it's enough because he the one that said the standard is the standard well if the standard is getting to and competing for super bowl they hadn't competed for a super bowl in a long time they had nobody thought even though they make the playoffs oh man the steelers are a threat When was the last time that someone thought the Steelers would be a threat in the playoffs?
8:24Shannon Sharpe:When they had Paul Amalu, when they had Ike Taylor. Man, Paul Amalu retired. He in the Hall of Fame. So he had to wait at least five years to get into the Hall. So we're talking about at least, at the bare minimum, five. You asked when. That's when. When their identity was their defense. There hasn't been a serious threat since Ben. But do you mean, did that mean change? Did that mean change? We ain't been a serious threat. Or we have been so consistent that we just haven't got the right person. They haven't had a quarterback that's theirs since being here. Whose fault is that? Theirs. Consistency.
9:06Shannon Sharpe:They had an opportunity. They could have, when they had been Roethlisberger, and they thought Bryn was going to play like Tom Brady, you know he wasn't because he'd been involved in too many crashes. He's taking too much punishment. So what you do is that what good teams do, what did Kansas City do? Draft a quarterback and they still had one on the roster. What did Baltimore do when they had Joe Flacco? You were there. They drafted a quarterback. You see what good teams, what did Green Bay do? Draft a quarterback. What did Green Bay do with Aaron Rodgers? Draft a quarterback. You see what everybody does?
9:36Shannon Sharpe:You don't wait. If you wait until your car break down side of the road, it's too late. You're already stranded. Okay. All right. But is that my fault? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He making a pick. So you don't think Mike got no say? You don't think Mike got no say? If he say, get us a quarterback, get us a quarterback, please get us a quarterback, and they don't get us a quarterback, how y 'all going to get mad at me? You give Mike all that. You give all that Mike credit and say he's never going to have him in a losing situation. So who's drafting those players, the Dream or Mike Tomlin? Yeah. I mean, we don't know what's going on in a war room, but you can't just say, well, it's Mike Tomlin.
10:15Shannon Sharpe:Mike Tomlin would want a quarterback. Hold on, Ocho. Matthew, you mean to tell me a man that's been there damn near 20 years, he ain't got no say? How long has GM been there? Not as long as Mike Tomlin. I ain't never heard of Steelers finding no GM or getting a new GM. You ever heard of them? I tell you what, you ever heard of them firing a coach? No. Exactly. So my thing is, when you're there that long, you have some say. You have some say on the 53. You have some say in free agency. How long has Mike Tomlin been there? Coach Kyle retired in 2000. They won the Super Bowl in five. He came back in six, so he retired in seven.
11:00Shannon Sharpe:He's been there 19 years. There's no coach that's been anywhere for 19 years that does not have say. I refuse to believe that. I don't know who they just mean. Hold on. Hold on, Jude. I don't even think it's about say. I'm thinking about the relationship that Ben Roethlisberger might have had with upper management. He had a great relationship with Mike Tomlin, too. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because if Mike Tomlin, Mike Tomlin is a head coach. He's been in the NFL for a very long time. Mike Tomlin knows at some point I'm going to have to find your successor. At some point.
11:37You look at the landscape of the league. Those that didn't do it, look what's happening now. Ta-da! The Steelers didn't do it. That's why I think that the calling was above Mike Tomlin's pay grade.
11:50Shannon Sharpe:I disagree. I'm a mom. Yo, yo, yo, yo starting quarterback, yo franchise quarterback is getting paid more than the coach. Yes. I guarantee. Dumb, dumb relationships might be a little stronger than the coach. Even though the coach's been there longer, he more tenured. Yeah, I think that's the problem. Well, I mean, we paying this dude only$17 million a year. We paying this dude$50. We understand that Mike Tomlin had a very strong relationship. He's always had a very strong relationship with his star players. We know that. Based on the history, we know that Ben and when A.B. was there and a lot of these other guys, we know how he feels about his great players.
12:32Shannon Sharpe:But in order to keep this from happening to you, if you do not get a bridge, if you wait till somebody burn your bridge down, how the hell do you get to the other side? I gave you examples. Kansas City. Alex Smith was a Pro Bowl quarterback. What did they do, Matt? Joe Blacko had won the Super Bowl. But when you see that, when you see that, they went and got what's buddy from Pitt? They went and got Kenny Pickett? Man, stop playing. When you're moving like I do, trips don't always come together weeks in advance. Sometimes production shoots, interviews, or something I've got to travel for on a short notice.
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15:35Shannon Sharpe:they got picketing out front no no we won't go but we gotta we gotta put that on somebody we gotta we gotta put that on somebody when when somebody don't turn out in a draft how you think they are not saying he's a bad player they didn't like him for the system and they didn't like what he was doing so they had to move on do you put that on the coach or do you put that on the person that selects and pays the players i think the thing is is that i believe there are there are drafts that they had better quarterback options and that's the thing you can sit back and say you know what next year this quarterback is good but you have to move what did the green bay do with jordan what did they do with jordan love how much was they paying aaron rogers and they re And after they signed him, they gave him a big deal.
16:23Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Because. Hold on. Why they gave him a big deal? He was pissed off. Absolutely. And just like Brett Favre was pissed off when they did what? Drafted Aaron Rodgers. I mean, yeah. Aaron Rodgers seen the situation play off. He already knew what was in the cards. So he said, all right, y 'all not going to play me how y 'all play Brett and just move on. I can't worry about one year. I got to worry about the next 10, 15 years. So if you just worry about one year and one guy's feelings, you'll be stuck. All right. All right. In those in those 19 years, in those 19 years. I mean, what I think the only the only player that would have failed that far to him, which is a bad pick, was Lamar.
17:10Shannon Sharpe:No, it's not that you fought. You move up. Patrick Mahomes, they moved up to get Patrick Mahomes. They moved up to get Jordan Love. You don't have to stamp C. You looking at a philosopher to let somebody fall into my lap. No, if there's somebody, you move up to go get them. And that's where what I said comes into play, Unc. Not pissing off your franchise quarterback. I think the relationship with Ben Roethlisberger and management and GM and president was much stronger than that of whatever Mike Tomlin might have wanted. You think Mike Tomlin didn't want a quarterback when he realized, Ben, okay, you're not moving the same?
17:45or Ben, you can't throw the same or the velocity on the ball is not the same. Mike Tomlin can see that stuff. He just didn't have to say so. Regardless of being the coach for 19 years, they're going to get who we wanted.
17:57Shannon Sharpe:But here's the thing. You still got – you maintain that great relationship. Now, how are you looking for it? Because the Steelers – what's the standard for the Steelers? When we think of Steelers, we think of what, Ocho? Championship. No, the CECs. No. You think of defense. So you think of, you think of steel, Mike Townley, that's his defense. They abandoned that. Whoever, they abandoned that. When they got, when they got Ben Roethlisberger and they had Antonio Brown and they had Le 'Veon Bell, they've been abandoned the defense. When they had the triple B's, they were throwing the ball. Ben Roethlisberger got two 5 ,000 yard seasons.
18:33Shannon Sharpe:He's got four, 500 yard games. They've been abandoned that. No, no, no. They're back to that now. They just had, they had a, they had a explosive offense for five, six years. They had a explosive offense. They always had a good wide receiver. They always had a good wide receiver. Somebody that can go get the ball, take the top off. They always going to have that. Defense. When you think Steelers, you think hard-hitting defense. You know when you hear that, hey, mama, rockin' it. You hear that, don't, don't, don't. You know that defense about to do something. You know that defense about to do something.
19:09Shannon Sharpe:You know it's going to be cold, rainy, wet when you go in there. Grass ain't worth nothing, but their defense going to have to come to play. And so if you're going to beat the Steelers, you have to keep the ball, you have to know how to run the ball, and you have to limit explosive plays from their offense. That's how you beat the Steelers. But when's the last time they've had explosive plays from the offense? Ben Roethlisberger's been gone. AB's been gone. Le 'Veon Bell been gone. So when have you known the Steelers to have explosive plays consistently? And that's why George Pickens left the building.
19:46Shannon Sharpe:George Pickens want to be – he want to dance. He want to be in the end zone. He want to do that. That's why George Pickens left the building. He said, I need the limelight. I want to see how that feels. He want to be Jamar Chase. He's seen what that looked like in the division. And he said, I can't get that here. Right. Matthew, thanks for joining us tonight, man. Best of luck in free agency. Come back when you get something penciled in. Come back and join us and let us know where you're going. All right. I got y 'all. Appreciate it. Appreciate it, bro. I'll holler at you, dude. All right, my boy.
20:26Shannon Sharpe:Yo. Ocho. Hey. Hey, y 'all. Yeah. Hey, before you start, like real quick, real quick, I just want to say something to you. I'm going to say it in cold a little bit. You understand what I'm saying. And even though it's Mike, I don't think he has the pull, even though he's the head coach, to override pissing off the franchise quarterback. Stay with me. I get what you're saying, but he got more pull than you think. Yeah, absolutely, because he's been there so long. But with that centerpiece that been there that long? I'm not saying he's got had Bill Belichick pull. I'm not saying he got Andy Reid type pull.
21:07Shannon Sharpe:He might be next in line when we would have come to pool. Right, right, right, right. I got you. I got you. We're on the same page. Because think about it. They went out. They got Joe Flacco, who led them to a Super Bowl. What are they going to do? They trade back into the first round, give up next year's first round pick to get Lamar. Hey, you know you can see it, right, Unk? You know you can see it when your player is declining. Yes. Things aren't the same, especially at the quarterback position. You can see it. The funny thing about it is how much do players or how much are they self-aware that they're declining?
21:42Shannon Sharpe:It starts slipping. It's hard because, Ocho, you don't want to believe it because you've been great for so long. You don't want to believe it. Yeah. And so you lie to Ocho. Lie to yourself? You lie to yourself. You lie to yourself. Hey, boy, you turn that film on and be like, who is that? Damn. Boy, I said, damn, he moving slow. I'm like, oh, shit, that's me. I said, man, who running like they got on Tim's? Who running like they got Tim's on the field? Boy, that camera, that eye in the sky will embarrass you. Yes. It will embarrass you. Yes. Ocho Adam Sandler to cast Derek We ain't got I mean we ain't got What you call him No Oh You just wrote that in there Nah You just wrote this tweet in there Wham wham wham wham wham Wham Yeah Jordan Tuck Yeah Jordan Tuck made a good point on Twitter imagine moving on from George Pickens thinking the locker room distraction only to end up with Aaron Rodgers as your quarterback well I mean Aaron Rodgers is a different type of distraction a different type of distraction obviously I think he's not going to cause any problem because his leash is short because if you mess you see his backups are his leash long you mess things up in Pittsburgh where's your next destination Where's your next time?
23:22Home. Oh, okay. I mean, think about it. He decided to. Okay, that's what I meant. You don't, you, you have the leverage. You don't have the leverage you once had where you were sought after, where you wanted the best in the league. You're still living off that past resume, which is why they wanted and waited for you to sign this late before mandatory minicamp because they don't have any other options.
23:46Shannon Sharpe:Right. So. And at year 21, I mean, this is going to be his 21st season. How many more seasons do you think he really want to play? He want to subject himself, getting up, studying film, studying film all day Monday, studying film all day Tuesday, watching film after practice on Wednesday, Thursday. How long do you think Aaron Rodgers wants to do that? Listen, hey, when you see what the AFC North like, ain't no telling. He might be one and done after this season. That's my point. But, I mean, you take it, first of all, once you get to a certain number of years, you take it at – probably a quarterback, other positions probably take it year 10.
24:25Shannon Sharpe:Quarterbacks probably take it at year 15, especially the way they protect them now. So he's gotten six years past year 15. I don't think he's trying to eclipse Tom and try to play 24. You think he's trying to play 24 seasons? Ain't no telling. Ain't no telling because, obviously, they will continue to sign him in the one-year deals. if things go well. Listen, I... I mean, it's a very team-friendly contract. I mean, 13, 13 and a half million dollars with 10 guaranteed. That's nothing. Nothing. Nothing. That's nothing. Listen, I love the Steelers. I don't want them to do well. I want them to do well except when they play the Bengals.
25:01Right. I want D.K. Metcalf. I want Calvin Austin III, and I want Robert Moore to have... Robert Woods. Robert Woods. I'm sorry. Robert Woods to have phenomenal seasons. Like, they can... I just want to see them do well for Mike Thomas' sake. Like Steeler fans have always been good to me. I fucking love all of them. But when you play the Bengals, y 'all get y 'all ass.
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25:22Shannon Sharpe:When you're moving like I do, trips don't always come together weeks in advance. Sometimes production shoots, interviews, or something I've got to travel for on a short notice. Like the time when I had the last minute trip to Denver and everything came together fast. Once it was locked in, I had to be ready to go. That's where Amazon Prime can make a difference. When something comes together quickly, you can get what you need like grooming essentials, neck pillow, eye mask. even snacks for the flights, so you're ready to show up for it. With same-day delivery, all those items show up on time and still make the trip so you can show up and focus on why you're there and not everything around it.
25:57Shannon Sharpe:Because at that point, it's not just about getting there, it's about making the most of the opportunity in front of you. That's what I like about Prime. It makes it easy to say yes when the moment shows up. Same-day delivery, it's on Prime, available in select areas. Terms apply. Visit Amazon.com slash Prime to find millions of items delivered fast. To honor our country on its 250th birthday, this can of Copenhagen goes out to those defending the free American soil that our tobacco has taken root in for over two centuries and counting. Here's to the calloused hands of freedom. Copenhagen, saluting American grit, proven since 1822.
26:45Shannon Sharpe:Warning, this product is not a safe alternative to cigarettes. Hey, sports fans, your away game road trip doesn't start at the kickoff. It starts on the road. Before heading to the game in Eugene, take a moment to enjoy the journey and explore Tualatin Valley, located just west of Portland and north of Eugene. Sip world-class Pinot Noir, soak in picturesque views, and craft a game day trip you'll talk about all season. Take the scenic route to Tualatin Valley and make every mile part of the game. Learn more at etvor.com slash fans. Are your kids bored with the same old sports? Try fencing, the Olympic and Paralympic sport that mixes speed, strategy, and fun.
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28:06Shannon Sharpe:According to Todd McShay, Shadour completely bombed his interview with the Giants. He didn't have a great interview with head coach Brian Dayball. The preparation wasn't there. For an install package, Dayball called him out, and Sanders didn't like it. Dayball has gone 8-26 over the past two seasons, so he probably knows a thing or two about being unprepared, to be honest with you. I mean, you go 8-26 being unprepared. You are no unprepared person when you see one, considering over the last two years that's kind of exactly what you've been. And then there's been reports of him having a big entourage because his brother shoots videos of him being in family.
28:48Shannon Sharpe:He's with his brother and his family. No drinking, no drugs, no controversy. Just living his life. Ochoa, I'm going to start with you first. Yeah. Hear that he didn't do well in the interview. Yeah. He didn't hit it off with Coach Dayball and seemed like he was unprepared. Didn't like the entourage. Okay, go ahead. Right. I don't believe it, huh? I don't believe it. Because every single NFL player, every single, when I say every single, I mean every single, has an entourage. Most of the entourages is family and friends. If there's not family and friends, it's friends that you grew up with. Right.
29:25Everybody has that. So I'm not sure why that even came into play. And we talk about everybody, regardless of race, regardless of ethnicity, it doesn't matter. So that's one thing. Interview. Interview goes bad. unprepared. Now I think I'm thinking about a son of one of the greatest players of all time who's always been prepared and coached and having tutelage from one of the best of all time and for some reason all of a sudden he wasn't prepared for an interview when it comes to the game of football in which he's a quarterback. Again, that's something else that's not believable. Now you know media can screw things and report things that obviously aren't true.
30:05Bingo. Forget that. So he drops to the Cleveland Browns. Round five, what, pick 144? What was it, 145? 144. I'm not even tripping at this point. I'm not even tripping at this point because Prime obviously is prepared to do it for any and everything, dealing with media, dealing with those that doubt you. So I'm just happy he has this opportunity because what's happening in this scenario, in this situation, in which I still believe is collusion, I'm not talking about race. I'm not talking about race at all. I'm just saying a collective collusion against Brother Sanders and all the things and just the hype.
30:45And listen, the machine, again, I said it last night. I said it last night. We have choices. People choose what they want to see. I said it yesterday. I'm not talking about race at all. One thing for sure, the machine is undefeated and will always remain undefeated. anytime it feels not really threatened, but there's another name or family that thinks they can come in and do things their way, they'll humble you. And this was an example of it, an example of it that we've never, ever, ever seen before to this magnitude. We've never seen anything like this. I'm happy for Shadour. I'm happy for Shiloh.
31:25And for Shadour Sanders getting the opportunity to play for the Cleveland Browns, his situation is simple as put. it's delayed, but it's not denied. It's not about where you go. It's what you do once you get there. So now you know what you need to do. The Browns haven't had a quarterback. They haven't had a quarterback, a sufficient quarterback, a consistent quarterback for... Bernie Kosar. We have since Bernie for a very long time. This might be their calling. This might be their blessing. This might be his blessing even going there. So I'm happy for him. He's going to do what's necessary. I'm sure he had the chip on his shoulder.
32:00And I'm excited. because in that AFC North, you know, it run through Cincinnati. And the only way you're going to get it done is if you got a quarterback. I just had to add a little piece in there.
32:13Shannon Sharpe:I saw that. I saw you throw that in there. What do you think, DeJuan? Honestly, man, guys, to be honest with you, I mean, I feel for him. Obviously, you know, you work so hard, and it's tough when you project to go first round. I had a situation once. It's obviously not the same because basketball is totally different as far as the number of people that get picked. But I was with my best friend, Nazi Muhammad, was supposed to be picked lottery when he came out. And now I slid to 29 and just sitting there. Obviously, it was nothing like so. You had to actually wait a whole nother day to get drafted.
32:47Shannon Sharpe:But just to see him slide. You waited two days. He got drafted today. They had to draft third and third. So he had to wait two days. So it's different. But I think like this, to be honest with you, I think you have to play the game, Shannon, to be honest with you. I think if he would have played, I'm just going to play the game until I get drafted. Whatever that would have been. And I think sometimes that's what not, and I'm not sure of this, and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong, because it seems like I've never seen an agent. And obviously I'm watching from afar. I'm watching off TV, on social media.
33:16Shannon Sharpe:Do we have an agent? I don't know. I mean, Shiloh made a joke talking about our dad was our agent, and we might need to hire a new agent. Okay, right, I don't know. Because I think you know how this is. sometimes you have an agent, he can tell you the truth behind closed doors of what they're actually saying and what you need to work on. So, by Deion being the dad, he's probably not really hearing everything. They probably can't tell him. So, he's not hearing everything that they're saying. So, I think that was probably one mistake. And I don't know if he had an agent or not. So, if the agent, to kind of buffer that, to talk to him and kind of figure it out.
33:53Shannon Sharpe:But you got to figure this thing out, man. I think one thing about it, it was about interview. I don't think a skill set. I mean, he put the numbers up. The numbers speak for themselves. He had the numbers. So we got to look at some of the other stuff. I mean, I worked out for nine teams when I came out. I interviewed with nine teams. So you got to go through that process. I'm not sure how he interviewed. Maybe that was a little sketchy. That can rub some GMs and execs the wrong way. You know, sometimes if you don't interview well. Maybe the swagger, what he's coming with. Great family. Family dynamics.
34:26Shannon Sharpe:His family's going to support him. obviously he has a certain swag a certain aura that he carries with him which we all love and we just talked about that we like that all three of us talk trash we all celebrate it we all have fun so we know that so that's not the problem we brought our own style so that wasn't the problem with them I just felt like they didn't play the game that everybody else played and they wanted to show them that look it's still the NFL we still run this you still got to go through this proper pecking order and I think that's what it looks like you can't look at his if you look at his numbers, his skill level the guys that got picked before him all this stuff, it doesn't make sense so it's got to be something behind the scenes it can't be football ability it has to be something behind the scenes that's why I said if he had an agent maybe somebody that could hear the noise because he probably didn't hear the real noise you know what I mean we on TV watching all the analysts and everybody but y 'all privy to so much information.
35:28Shannon Sharpe:Y 'all only privy to so much, we're not hearing that real noise. You know what I mean? So that's why... And sometimes your agent gets that for you to kind of help you out and maybe help you get your act together. That's why I really wanted to know if he had an agent. But you know the funny thing about it, Twan? Even at that point, you are who you are. Shadour is who he is. The Sanders family, they are who they are. That's it. And they've always been unapologetically themselves. And that rubs a lot of people wrong. A lot of people don't like that, including some of those in the NFL. Some of the things that Deonna said in the past, they probably didn't like.
36:02They probably didn't like it. You know, he wanted to pull an Archie Manning. He wanted to pull, you know, with Eli. That probably, they probably didn't like it. They quoting tweets that he said a long time ago. And I know, let me tell you why I know this is all collusion. You know, I think about some, like, you know what? I'm not even going to bring that up. I'm not going to bring it up. I'm happy he got where he needed to go. This is exactly where we're supposed to land because I guarantee you, watch, it'd be a blessing in disguise and them never having a quarterback and all of a sudden, for some reason, Shadour being the answer for the next decade.
36:39Shannon Sharpe:Hope you're right. Can I ask you guys something? I'm a basketball guy. I want to ask you something, Chad. You can ask this because you're talking right now. Can you answer this? Is the Cleveland the right fit for him? Because sometimes, let's disregard what number he went. Did he go to a good situation where he can actually be able to showcase himself and have a real opportunity to be a starting quarterback in the NFL? Do you guys like that situation? If the GM and the owners are competent when his time comes to be able to compete for a starting job, if they continue to build around him, yes, it's the right place.
37:21if they continue to do right by the quarterback position, like other teams are doing, like they do for the Mahomes and they do for the Jalen Hurts and they do for, you know, the other quarterbacks, the Jaden Daniels, as you continue to put the pieces to the puzzle around him, why you have a quarterback on a very, very cheap, I hate using that word cheap, but, you know, a very affordable contract. Rookie contract. Around him. Yeah, I think he's in the right place. But if they do what they've always done for a very long time, where they've been through 276 ,000 quarterbacks, then it would be the same process would repeat itself.
37:57They had Baker Mayfield. You had the number one pick. There was nothing wrong with Baker Mayfield because look what he's doing in Tampa Bay. So that tells you where the problem lies. The problem lies with Cleveland internally. Now you got opportunity again. Let's not F it up.
38:14Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I do. I love when the quarterbacks, young quarterbacks come in and have an unbelievable support system. hopefully you have somebody that can that's really smart schematically knows how to diagram plays Ocho knows how to put quarterbacks in the right situation you have a decent running back I'm not saying you need Saquon I mean although that would be nice to have a Saquon Barkley and a Derrick Henry on a rookie quarterback but you need quality receivers you see CJ Stroud where he went and had success look at the receiving court that he had you look at Jane Daniels look at the receiving court that he had the question is are there enough pieces around any quarterback regardless if it's a rookie or not, is there enough pieces around him so he can adequately do what he needs to get done.
38:54Shannon Sharpe:I think Stefanowski is an unbelievable coach. He's a coach of the year. He knows how to call plays. He knows how to scheme plays. And so now it just comes down to, okay, when you get your opportunity, you got to shine. You got to prepare like there's no tomorrow because that's already out there, Ocho. You see what they said? He was unprepared. You see what they did, Ocho? See, we already put that out there on you now. Hey, that's the game, huh? They gonna play the game. Mm-hmm. They're going to play the game. There's only one way you can beat the game, huh? That's in between the lines. Yeah. No matter what they say, it blocks out all the noise.
39:26You can only beat the game in between the lines. That's it, no matter what they say.
39:30Shannon Sharpe:But I will say this, Ocho. I don't know if they gonna allow Bucky to go in and film everything that Shadour's doing. That's over. That's over. Now, when you're at Colorado and your dad's the head coach, they're gonna allow that. That's over with now. Yeah. I mean, they understand that. But I thought he was the video guy. I thought he's the video guy. No, you ain't going to have no personal video guy. Yeah, you can't do that. Once you enter that building, once you're on grounds in that facility, all that's done. Yeah. And so, yeah. And so that's... Having an entourage. Yeah. I don't... And like I said, I don't know...
40:10Shannon Sharpe:I don't know if he went to the building and they tried to go into meeting rooms and Bucky was trying to capture content. he doesn't have an agent because time agent was eugene parker rest his soul eugene passed away several years ago and so um i'm sure time will probably interview somebody now and i agree i agree with you uh atuan probably and that's the thing because you have an agent and they hear things and they can tell you things now they're gonna all the really really bad stuff they ain't gonna share that with you because they don't want to mess with you mentally but they'll they'll share You share enough of stuff with you so you get the picture and get a great understanding of what's actually going on.
40:49Shannon Sharpe:So go ahead. Hey, if I'm not mistaken, so, you know, obviously my agent was, obviously when I first got in the league, it was Jerome Stanley, phenomenal dude, did really well for me. And on the back end of my career, in the middle, on the back end, it was Drew Rosenhaus. And if I'm not mistaken, I saw Drew Rosenhaus post for Shiloh Sanders once he got drafted. So I'm assuming Drew Rosenhaus must be representing Shiloh. So I'm not sure if you represent Shadour, though. Right. I get it. Because, okay, DeBriens, the current quarterback room, Deshaun Watson, Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel, Shadour Sanders.
41:23Shannon Sharpe:Deshaun Watson, starter. Flacco is a vet if Deshaun can't go. You got Kenny Pickett, the backup. Dylan Gabriel, rookie. Shadour, rookie. Fifth. What's going on? I mean, damn. What's really going on? What's really going on, Ocho? Hey, I like to compete. I ain't got no problem with it. I like to compete. Who I need to beat out. I love Kenny Pickett. I love Deshaun out. When he got another$38 million this year and another$40 million next year, how you beat him out? Deshaun not playing this year. Okay, he's not going to play this year. Okay, so now you got flat O.A. ACL. Yeah, yeah. Achilles. Achilles.
42:02Achilles. Yeah, so listen. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, Achilles. I'm going to tell you how it's going to play out. How it's going to play out. I love Kenny Pickett. I love Kenny Pickett. I love that you know brother Gabriel but Shador if he does what he's supposed to do you know we've seen Kenny Pickett already we haven't seen Dylan Gabriel yet but I'm just saying I know probably Flacco's gonna start he's gonna start at some point Shador's gonna get a shot at some point he's gonna get that shot and when the door opens let me ask both of you guys
42:37Shannon Sharpe:let me ask both of you guys why would Cleveland do why would Cleveland do that? Why would Cleveland want a quarterback room with five guys? Does that mean anything? They're going to keep three. Yeah. They're going to keep three. Oh, okay. But Deshaun is not playing this year. I keep forgetting he's not playing. He's not playing until like January or February or something like that. You're right. I forgot. You might as well just go ahead and, you know, put him on IR and go ahead and let that go. What I don't get, Cleveland, at some point in time, y 'all got to stop trading back. Y 'all could have had Julio Jones.
43:10Shannon Sharpe:You traded back. You could have had Travis Hunter and Shadour, and you traded back. At some point in time, when guys are sitting there waiting for you to take them, take them. Right. Take them. It's okay. But I guess they're looking at it like we're more than one player away, but sometimes that player can help change things around. I don't get it. I don't get what they're doing. with this situation. Like you said, Twan, he had an unbelievable college career. He played well at Jackson State. And then they said, well, yes, Jackson State. That's why you're doing that. He goes to Colorado. He puts up his exceptional numbers.
43:50Shannon Sharpe:You know, great completion percentage. He throws guys open. No, he's not the most athletic guy, but he's not a decathlete. He don't need a high jump, long jump, pole vault, shot put, hurdle, 100, 400, 1500. He don't need to do all that. All he needs to do, can he take three? Can he drop back five? Can he zone read? Can he do the stuff? Can he process information in a hurry? That's what a quarterback needs. He needs to be confident. He needs to be able to process information in a hurry. And he needs to be able to retain information. I mean, he's shown you he can do that ever since he, I mean, from middle school to high school to college.
44:28Shannon Sharpe:So let's see if that's transferable. I like to think that it is. But you don't know. So, Twy, you know this. Same thing with all sports. You don't know what you have in a guy until you get him in your building and put him in your uniform. That's when you 100 % know for certain what the hell I got. Yeah. Because all this other stuff, boy, he won this award and he did all this and he did all of that. And I've seen it. Having played in the NFL, guys come in and have all these credentials. And I don't know how they did it. Hey, somebody gave you a fake passport. Because I don't know how you get all that.
45:01Shannon Sharpe:I don't know how you get all that. Let me ask you guys in football, is it about the number or is it more about the fit? Fit. It's always going to be fit. It's always going to be fit. Always. Do you guys think this would... So if you had to grade this fit, what would you guys go right now? I know you got to go compete. I like New Orleans. If you had to grade this fit. I would have liked New Orleans a little better. I would like New Orleans better too. But the thing is now... because Tawana, I was telling Ocho last night, is that I went to a team, I was a big wide receiver. I went to one of the three teams that had the H-back position.
45:42Shannon Sharpe:Washington had the H-back position. The Broncos had the H-back position. And the Chargers, San Diego, they were in San Diego then, had the H-back position. Every tight end on the roster got hurt. I'm the biggest receiver. Coach Reeves come, hey, would you be willing to move the H-back? I'm going to catch the ball? Yeah, if you learn the plays, okay. so now here i am a big wide receiver imagine i don't go to a team that has the age back position so i switch midway through like a third of the way i have like probably like week eight week nine week ten they move me to like tight end ta-da and the rest of that they say history so it's absolutely where you go not a lot i get it because a lot of times uh uh twan you know this first four or five picks, they get a boatload of money.
46:33Shannon Sharpe:Now, you want to make a boatload of money for a short period of time or an extended period of time? Because I had a 14-year career. There are a lot of guys that went in the first round, Ocho. They made money for a three, four-year period. I made money for a 14-year period. It's not how much money you make is how long you make money. And then what are you going to do? It's not how much money you make is how much you keep. So it's absolutely, Twan, fit where you go, that fit. And what they do for you while you there. And it's better for him, too, though. He got, and he's made a little money in the NIL space, too.
47:03Shannon Sharpe:So he's OK. He's made a little money in the NIL space. Had he known what he known, he'd have stayed in college and made some more NIL money. He's like, hell, if y 'all gonna take me to field ground, he made more NIL and what is rookie contract gonna be, Ocho? Yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. That is right. Wow. Listen, I think the situation in general is good for him. It puts a chip on his shoulders. Oh, this is how you feel about me? Okay, bet. Hold my beer. I got this. Watch me. Listen, I've faced adversity before. I've had to hurdle obstacles before. This is just another one that's in the way. I'm going to show you.
47:40I'm going to prove to you that I'm worthy of doing all the things you said I can't. Oh, you feel I'm a fifth round pit? I mean, I'm a fifth rounder? Okay, bet. I'm not tripping. I'm not tripping at all. Again, Chador's, hey, chat, I know y 'all can hear me Chador's situation, as simple as this It was delayed He wasn't denied, that's all Yeah
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