In short
Debate sparked by a viral “Ocho” list of 28 places women say they won’t go on a first date, plus broader discussion of flirting, dating standards, and relationship expectations. They argue that effort and intentions matter more than restaurant “rules,” and that fun/activity-based dates can be better than typical “nice dinner” scripts. They also discuss how public sharing of dating/men details can drive conflict, and how high income “prerequisites” (e.g., Ruby Rose’s stated $5M/year dating requirement) shrink the dating pool.
Guests
No episode guests are clearly identified in the transcript. The conversation is between hosts/speakers: Tarika Foster-Brasby and Cheryl Swoops (promotional segments), plus recurring hosts/participants “Joe” and “Ocho” (main dialogue). No other guest bios are provided.
Key claims
First-date spot preferences are often about signaling seriousness/respect; if someone truly likes you, they’ll go anywhere. Standards and “prerequisites” are double-sided and can be unrealistic. Public “safety” apps can amplify allegations and pressure, contributing to divorces. High-earning dating requirements (e.g., $5M+) limit options and change power dynamics.
Notable examples
Cheesecake Factory/chain restaurants, movies/fast food, church/family functions as “no-go” items; skydiving/parachuting into a stadium; bowling (claims of ~250 average and 280 game); T-app-linked divorce surge; Ruby Rose requiring $5M/year; divorce after cosmetic surgery (nose job) and “outside attention” changing relationship outcomes.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VODebate on First Date Spots
3:00 to 6:41
Discussion on acceptable first date locations and changing standards.
“The list quickly gained traction as people argue over what qualifies as an acceptable first impression spot.”
Dating Dynamics and Activities
6:42 to 14:01
Exploring the importance of activities and dynamics in dating.
“They do all this stuff in the beginning, going crazy.”
Bowling Averages and Perfect Games
14:01 to 18:05
Learn about the challenges of achieving a perfect bowling game and the nuances of bowling lingo.
“Yeah, see, the fact that he said 300 and not a perfect game, that's why we know he don't know what he's talking about, Joe.”
Divorce Cases Linked to Dating Apps
18:06 to 19:14
Discover how a women's dating safety app is influencing divorce rates.
“The outside pressure changes how people react.”
Dining Preferences and Family Dynamics
19:15 to 21:00
Explore the importance of dining settings and family interactions during meals.
“Hell, I thought the Cheesecake Factory, I just got the Cheesecake.”
Ruby Rose's Dating Standards
25:47 to 28:00
Discuss the implications of Ruby Rose's high dating standards and societal expectations.
“Ruby Rose said you need to make five million dollars a year to date her oh for content purposes, because that's what this is, for content purposes.”
Setting Standards in Relationships
28:00 to 29:00
The hosts discuss personal standards in dating and relationships, including financial expectations.
“Listen, and that's the beauty of life too, huh?”
Gender Double Standards in Desires
29:00 to 31:15
A conversation about gender differences in relationship expectations and how society perceives them.
“we can have prerequisites and have certain standards and abide by them and boundaries, whatever it may be.”
The Complexity of High-Earning Relationships
31:15 to 33:37
Discussion on the dynamics of relationships where one partner earns significantly more and the expectations that arise.
“But it seems to be jaded for one side that a woman gets to have all these prerequisites that they require from a man.”
Attention and Loyalty in Relationships
33:37 to 36:17
Exploring how newfound attention from others can impact relationships and personal choices.
“I want somebody that's going to be the mother of my kids.”
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The Danger of Leaving for Newness
36:17 to 38:15
A cautionary tale about leaving stable relationships in pursuit of new attractions and the consequences that follow.
“it fools you when you get attention from others before.”
Understanding Control in Relationships
38:15 to 42:00
Discussion on financial control within relationships and how it affects dynamics between partners.
“All I'm saying, look here, if all of a sudden your lady start working out, she working out for somebody else to see her naked.”
The Dynamics of Control in Relationships
42:00 to 45:30
Explore the complexities of financial control and emotional dependency in relationships.
“Because I need you to do X, Y, and Z, and Z, and Z.”
Intentionality in Finding a Life Partner
45:30 to 46:30
Learn about the importance of being intentional in the search for a life partner.
“Not all varieties available in all geographies.”
The Search for Perfection in Relationships
49:32 to 56:00
Examine the unrealistic expectations people have when seeking partners in relationships.
“Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.”
The Reality of Relationships
56:00 to 59:40
Explore the importance of continuous effort in maintaining relationships.
“Because at the end of the day, the way she look today, she ain't going to look like that 10 years from now.”
Lessons from Life's Storms
59:40 to 1:04:20
Learn about the value of trust and the lessons that come from hardship.
“But you better believe 26 is going to be all the cracking.”
Confidence and Flirting Tips
1:04:20 to 1:10:00
Discover how confidence affects social interactions and tips for flirting.
“but what it did do is it really showed me who's really, really there.”
Flirting Techniques and Approaches
1:10:00 to 1:12:33
Explore effective flirting strategies and how to make a memorable first impression.
“You're going to go up to the table and go and point it out.”
The Role of Alcohol on Dates
1:12:34 to 1:15:54
Discuss the impact of alcohol on early dates and the importance of being present.
“Man, man, man, it's too hot for calling.”
Transcript
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1:02Hey, everybody. I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby. What's up, y 'all? I'm your girl, Cheryl Swoops. When you tune in to a new episode of our podcast, Levels to This, you're definitely going to get some spicy WNBA analysis. But we're more than just hoops. And the real conversation is what we actually bring. It's been really, really cool seeing kind of these women just really step into their power off the court and understand that they aren't basketball, right? And they're not asking for permission. Listen to Levels to This with Stroh Swoops and Tarika Foster Brasby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
1:45Joe Johnson:150 years ago, they were hunting us down to kill us, and now they're hunting down immigrants to deport them. This is First America, the true story of how the United States came to be. and how we got to this present moment. Listen to First America on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
2:14I'm Emily Oster. I'm an economist and data expert. And I'm Perry Wilson. I'm a medical doctor. And this is our new podcast, Wellness Actually. You're getting a staggering amount of health and wellness information, and some of it is awesome. And some of it is, well, actually, bulls**t. Fortunately, we're both people who know how to read studies and can tell you what's worth trying out and what you can safely ignore. Listen to Wellness Actually on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
2:44Shannon Sharpe:Hello, it's your favorite sports thunk here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, nightcap doesn't happen without you. So please subscribe or you're going to make Ocho crack.
2:59Shannon Sharpe:A viral list of 28 places women refuse to go on the first date has sparked a major debate online, Ocho. The list quickly gained traction as people argue over what qualifies as an acceptable first impression spot. The debate reflects on shifting dating standards among younger generations, with many women emphasizes effort, creativity, and intentions over convenience and affordability. People pointed out the first date often sets the tone for how serious or respectful someone is about pursuing a relationship. While many agreed that casual chain restaurants aren't ideal, others defended them as comfortable and affordable options, especially in today's high-cost economy.
3:42Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, there they go. There is the list.
3:47Joe Johnson:God damn. Hold on. I know ass projects. That's one thing.
3:50Shannon Sharpe:I can't really, I can see it, but I can't zoom in on it. Cheesecake Factory, Applebee's, Chipotle, Olive Garden, the movies, your house, any fast food chain, Buffalo Wild Wings, Wingstop, Red Lobster, a buffet, IHOP, Denny's, the gym, church, y 'all going to hell, Starbucks, coffee date, ice cream date, family functions, movie night, Netflix, Hulu, etc. et cetera, somewhere that requires a long drive, bowling, nightclub, hookah bars, a bar just for drinks, waffle house, sports events. Damn, where can we take you? He's saying, hold on, those are places that they don't want to go? They don't on a first date.
4:34Joe Johnson:Hey, Joe, hey, Unc, Joe, and this is for the people in the chat.
4:40Joe Johnson:None of this matters. That list is cool. That list is for the dudes. that list is for the dudes that she really doesn't like. I don't like you so I'm going to set a certain set of rules that you can't break. But if it's the dude that I do like. It don't matter what we're doing.
5:04Shannon Sharpe:It don't matter what we're doing. Drive around the city. I'm from a country town, Joe. You pick your girl up and you just drive around the city. You sit up by here. I have a pickup truck. She sit up under you, we drive Roger to the stoplight, you know, we go to the Derrick Queen or Hardee's or something like that. Maybe grab a movie, Ocho. That's right.
5:25Joe Johnson:Hey, Joe, when I see stuff like this, man, I laugh, man. I laugh because there's certain women that can pull stuff off like this. Telling certain type of men where they won't go and what they won't do until a certain type of caliber of man comes along. And then it's okay. Ocho, me and you go into all these spots.
5:45Shannon Sharpe:Me and Ocho go with.
5:48Joe Johnson:Listen, everything they name, that's stuff that I actually do. That's the stuff that I actually do, Joe. I don't meet people and try to set a precedent of, oh, this is how your life is going to be. It's not going to be like that. That's not the way I can. Because you're going to have to keep it up. Yeah, being that there are so many dudes, there are so many, whether they have it or not, that set the standard and move like that. They move like this right away as if that's how it's going to be all the time just to get their... Obviously, you know, Joe, come on now, Chad. Let's just be honest. for the men.
6:30Joe Johnson:They set the standard and they shoot high purposely to hurry up to get to their end goal fast. Speed up the process, aren't you? Trying to speed up the process. So they show off. They do all this stuff in the beginning, going crazy. They take you to Chris Ruth and TKS. All these restaurants, Joe. They go above and beyond. Joe, they go above and beyond just to reach their end goal faster. You know, after a few months, all that shit papers off and the cycle repeats itself. Hold on. Hold on.
7:07Shannon Sharpe:On the first day, you taking somebody to a family function? On the first, not the first, because that's when they got number 20. I mean, guys do that? Y 'all take somebody on a family function? It depends on what type of family function. Like, you know. No, you can't go around the first. Not the first time, Joe. I'm saying, what if you got some family members and y 'all doing like a little bowling joint. You know what I mean? You tell her. No, she can't come around the family. Because what if she don't come back around? Man, hey, and you bring somebody else. Hey, what a girl you saw. I saw you with the other time, Joe.
7:39Shannon Sharpe:Nah, what? And that's exactly what family play. Family will come back. Nah, I ain't going to bring around mama. I ain't going to bring around mama. I ain't going to bring around mama. You know what I mean? But, you know, my cousins and uncles, if we out doing something, y 'all come hang out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. it's a no-go for you hey Ojo but I agree with you if she really into you and she really like you bro it don't matter where y 'all go or what y 'all doing she gonna be in tune for sure
8:09Joe Johnson:hey Joe hey Joe let me tell you something Joe boy I ain't never me personally I ain't never really had no problem and you know how I am Joe I'm not trying to impress you I take you to the finest of nothing so if we dealing if we rocking like you really rocking with me that mean you really like me because i'm known for being financially savvy i'm known for being cheap so if you see someone actually dealing with me willing to deal with me they actually like me you don't got you don't have a choice because you ain't really getting nothing up out of me honestly except maybe a A child. Y 'all, Lord have mercy, Jesus.
8:57Joe Johnson:You know, that's about it. Now that's something I, you know, I commit to that.
9:02Shannon Sharpe:So you're out of bubblegum, huh?
9:04Joe Johnson:I heard that. Yeah, man. All that, all these nice restaurants and all this other stuff, you know, I'm not investing no money in that. What we talking about?
9:12Shannon Sharpe:I remember the first time I went to the Cheesecake Factory, I ain't getting no but the Cheesecake. Really? You for real? Yeah. Hell, I thought the Cheesecake Factory, I ain't... I just got the cheesecake.
9:26Joe Johnson:Hey, cheesecake got the pasta. What it's called? I don't know.
9:32Shannon Sharpe:I haven't eaten at the Cheesecake Factory
9:37Shannon Sharpe:probably 30. Damn. It's always crowded. You ain't lying. Cheesecake Factory, yes. It be busted. Joe, if I'm not mistaken, it's at Lenox Mall. now. You remember it used to be on P Street. Yeah, yeah. They got one at Lenox and they got one over at Perimeter. Oh, yeah, yeah, yo. Oh, yeah, nah. I ain't gonna lie, nah. It's they jumping in there. It's gonna be... I can't wait that long to eat. I can't. I can't. I can't. I like to look. If you tell me if I make a reservation for 8 o 'clock, I'm gonna be there 755 between 755 and 757 I'm going to want to eat I'm going to want to sit down at the table no later than 802 don't hey Mr.
10:31Shannon Sharpe:Sharp you know your table will be ready shortly
10:40Shannon Sharpe:cause hey I like to sit down hey Mr. Sharp would you like to wait for the rest of your party? no sir I like to sit down hey Dre you want to tell you I go somewhere with the kids when I go home and the kids they're like Mr. Sharp would you like to wait for the entire party to arrive I said no I would like to sit down yeah hey I said can you bring some bread I already got bread I already got cranberry and ginger ale I'm like daddy what you know what time it was ain't like I changed the time on y 'all say it ain't gonna slow you down Nope. But I get the family functions. Okay. Church. I mean, the first day at church.
11:28Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Hey, I don't know. I mean, I didn't know that. I mean, I've heard of some first days, you know, we go skydiving. We go rock, you know, wall climbing. We do something. Oh. Hey, now we talking.
11:45Joe Johnson:Did you hear what you just said?
11:47Shannon Sharpe:Ain't no way.
11:48Joe Johnson:those are the type of dates you need to go on when you first meet somebody stuff where you do
11:53Shannon Sharpe:activities ain't nobody go first of all ain't nobody ain't no no i don't know look that wasn't my first choice i did skydiving joe because when i went to the broncos ring of honor they're like you know we got this idea i was like what's the idea it's like we were thinking about if you if you were amenable to it would you be willing to jump out of a plane i'm like huh they're like yeah we'd like for you to, you know, parachute into the stadium. I said, sign your boy up. You did it? Sign your boy up. I did it, yeah. That's dope. That's dope. Yeah, that's live.
12:27Joe Johnson:But, hey, I think people need to look more into that by doing activities outside instead of doing the normal, going to nice restaurants, putting on outfits, trying to look good, trying to impress each other. Nah, man, do fun stuff, man. Can you bowl, Ocho? Go J. Can you bowl? Yeah. Yeah, but can I bowl? What you mean, can I bowl? Joe, you can bowl, Joe? Hey, Joe.
12:52Shannon Sharpe:Okay.
12:53Joe Johnson:Yo, I just bowed a 280 today, Joe.
12:56Shannon Sharpe:Hey, it ain't many things I can't do. I'm just going to keep it rolling. I just keep it rolling. Don't sleep with you, boy. Hey, there you go. Nah, nah, nah. Hey. Boy, hey, Norm Duke, Walter Williams Jr., beat him. Man, stop it. Hey, yo, I got my own bowling ball right here, Joe. I got about three or four of them bowling balls.
13:17Joe Johnson:I only got one. I only got room for one. I got shoes, got bags and everything.
13:23Shannon Sharpe:I got a bag to hold two balls. I got a bag to hold one. I got shoes, got all that. Got me a little kit. Hey. You got to be like that. If you got it on length, you got to be like that. Yeah. Huh?
13:34Joe Johnson:Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, don't listen. Uncle's the type that he's like, when he talk about bowling and how good he is, he like the dude that go on the basketball court to have on a full Jordan outfit.
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13:47Shannon Sharpe:Okay.
13:49Joe Johnson:Ask Chris Paul what I did to him on that bowling alley. What's your average?
13:55Shannon Sharpe:What's your average, Ocho?
13:58Joe Johnson:Honestly, probably about 250. No. Ocho, you ain't bowling 250 alone.
14:05Shannon Sharpe:Average?
14:07Joe Johnson:Yeah, it is.
14:09Shannon Sharpe:You know how hard it is to go 300? Boy, that's hard. Yeah, see, the fact that he said 300 and not a perfect game, that's why we know he don't know what he's talking about, Joe. But go ahead.
14:21Joe Johnson:How are you going to tell me? This is my lingo. I don't have to speak like them. I speak like Ojo.
14:27Shannon Sharpe:You know how hard it is to bowl a 300. That's a perfect game. Yeah, we know how hard it is to bowl a perfect game. Ojo.
14:35Joe Johnson:I said, I don't say perfect game because it's not a perfect game.
14:41Shannon Sharpe:Let me ask you a question. How many strikes is a perfect game? 10? What you mean? He don't know what he's talking about. 12. 10. 10. Hold on, you bought a perfect game before? You ain't bought no perfect game. Hell no. I'm finna say it. Hell no. I mean, I'm like somewhere between like 175 and 200 for that. Yeah, damn. I'm going to keep it real with you. I'm between 150 by 150, 180.
15:17Joe Johnson:Hey, y 'all need to hang it up, man. When it comes to competing against me. I don't know what to believe with you no more.
15:22Shannon Sharpe:I'm going to be honest with you. Hold on, hold on.
15:24Joe Johnson:Your credibility ain't like that no more
15:27Shannon Sharpe:with me, bro.
15:29Joe Johnson:Hey, it ain't, listen. Everything I do, right? Everything I say, I have evidence to back it up.
15:38Shannon Sharpe:You right. Absolutely.
15:41Joe Johnson:There you go.
15:43Shannon Sharpe:But you talking about pool? Joe. Joe, will you do me a favor, Joe? Can you Google how many strikes you need to bowl for a perfect game of 300? I don't know.
16:03Shannon Sharpe:Now, man, to bowl that average of 250 would know this.
16:19Shannon Sharpe:I already knew what it was. My mom used to bowl all the time. It says 12. 12. You got to get a strike the first nine frames in order for you to have a chance. And then you got to get three bonus frames.
16:35Shannon Sharpe:Let me ask you a question. What's three consecutive strikes called? He don't know that. He don't know that. Three consecutive strikes. Gobble, gobble. That's what I know. A turkey. It's called a turkey.
16:52Joe Johnson:I ain't no bowler. You say what? I mean, he asked me, what's three consecutive strikes called? I'm not a bowler. I just know how to bowl.
17:04Shannon Sharpe:Basically, what he's saying is if you're averaging 250, you don't have to go all the way. No, you don't have to go all the way. Yes, you do. Why? Because that means you are a serious bowler. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's why I know you ain't bowing no 250.
17:22Joe Johnson:Hey, hey, I'm a pool shark. Does that mean I know everything there is about pool? I'm one of the better ping pong players in the world. Does that mean I know everything there is about ping pong? No.
17:35Shannon Sharpe:This is basic. This is not no in-depth. This is basic. Hold on, hold on. Nothing I do is basic. It's basic. This is basic. Man, check this out. A Michigan attorney says he has 12 new divorce cases this month linked to the T app. A Dearborn lawyer says women-only social apps that lets their users anonymously share details about men is driving a surge in local divorce. marketed as the dating safety app for women t allows users to post names photos messages about men they've encountered in some cases these posts have revealed infidelity to unsuspecting spouses and family members he said that might be once he said that what might remain private suspicious is now amplified when allegations are shared publicly now it's just you know who knows your Your family knows, your friend knows, the whole community knows.
18:37Shannon Sharpe:The outside pressure changes how people react. Boy, they're the TF doing a number, ain't it? I heard it got one out for women too. That's it? I mean, for men. Oh, dude, oh, yeah, I don't do the... Yeah. Damn. But Ocho, I mean, to put that kind of information out?
19:02Joe Johnson:Sometimes, sometimes you need to know. Sometimes, sometimes. Man, all that, all these nice restaurants and all this other stuff, you know, I'm not investing no money in that. What are we talking about?
19:14Shannon Sharpe:I remember the first time I went to the Cheesecake Factory, I ain't getting no but the Cheesecake. Really? You for really? Yeah. Hell, I thought the Cheesecake Factory, I just got the Cheesecake.
19:28Joe Johnson:hey cheesecake got a pasta that what it's called I don't know
19:33Shannon Sharpe:I haven't eaten at Cheesecake Factory
19:39Shannon Sharpe:probably 30 damn it's always crowded you ain't lying Cheesecake Factory yes Joe if I'm not mistaken it's at Lenox Mall now you remember it used to be on Pea Street Yeah, yeah. They got one at Linux and they got one over at Perimeter. Oh, yeah, yeah, yo. Yeah, nah. Oh, yeah, nah. I ain't going to lie, nah. It's going to be... I can't wait that long to eat. I can't. I can't. Yeah. I can't. I like to look. If you tell me, if you tell me, if I make a reservation for 8 o 'clock, I'm going to be there 755 between 755 and 757 I'm going to want to eat I'm going to want to sit down at the table no later than 802 don't hey Mr.
20:33Shannon Sharpe:Sharp you know your table will be ready shortly
20:42Shannon Sharpe:because hey I like to sit down hey Mr. Sharp would you like to wait for the rest of your party? No sir I like to sit down Hey, Joy, do you want to tell you? I go somewhere with the kids. When I go home and the kids, they're like, Mr. Sharp, would you like to wait for the entire party to arrive? I said, no, I would like to sit down. Yeah. Hey, I said, can you bring some bread? I already got bread. I already got cranberry and ginger ale. Like, Daddy, what? You know what time it was? Ain't like I changed the time on y 'all. It's the difference between trying to talk to your friends over the music at a bar and having dinner where you can actually hear each other.
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24:07and believed she'd found the truth. IUIC is the best family that I've ever had. In fact, she had found what many called a cult. And on Boxing Day 2018, Joy disappeared forever. In the new six-part investigative podcast, The Missing Sister, Charlie Brinkhurst Cuff and Free Turn explore Joy's story, the family she left, and the religious group she found.
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25:56Yeah.
25:56Shannon Sharpe:Say it ain't gonna slow you down. Nope.
26:04Shannon Sharpe:Ruby Rose said you need to make five million dollars a year to date her
26:20oh
26:28Joe Johnson:for content purposes, because that's what this is, for content purposes.
26:38Joe Johnson:I mean, that's... Everyone can have their dreams and aspirations. Everyone can have their... What's the word I'm looking for? their prerequisites on what's required to date them. So I'm not knocking her prerequisites. Now it's a little steep based on the individuals that have five million that make five million or more a year. That pool of one percentage you have to choose from. I mean, that's cool. That's cool as long as you understand what comes with that.
27:16Shannon Sharpe:Well, at least she already told you what she about. So she's under no pretenses. Look, it's just as easy to say the rich man, it is a poor one. And if you're giving a choice, hey, she say, I'm going to take the rich one. But you know what you got? You know what? She already told you what she's about. Yeah. Five mil.
27:39Joe Johnson:I like it. So let me ask you a question, Ocho. Ruby Rose. She cute. She cute, huh?
27:45Shannon Sharpe:She's fine, huh? Not$5 million fine. You don't think so? I've seen women I've seen women finer I've seen women look better That's just me personally Right, right, right Okay Okay Hell, I was just Hey, it's Houston I saw 10 of them Oh my gosh I know three for sure
28:05Joe Johnson:Do me a favor Don't mention Houston You know what You're right You're right My bad I've been focused I've been focused I've been disciplined Don't do that Don't do that Don't do that But yeah I think at some point She was dating Drusky Drusky If I'm not mistaken Yep I mean obviously she's gorgeous
28:24Shannon Sharpe:so I'm going to do that in order for Unk to date you I'm going to need you to make at least 10 million a year damn how many women on earth are making 10 million a year I'm telling you what my standard is okay
28:43Shannon Sharpe:what the fudge that got to do with me hey if she can say she wants somebody that make 5 million why can't we?
28:54Joe Johnson:Listen, and that's the beauty of life too, huh? That's the beauty of life. As man, as women we can have prerequisites and have certain standards and abide by them and boundaries, whatever it may be. I want my man to have A, B, C and I want my woman to have A, B, and C. And if they don't meet those standards, I'm going to keep it moving. Now the chances of finding some of the things that people require it's slim to none but if you're going to shoot for the moon or if you're going to shoot for the stars and fall short and land on the moon so be it
29:24Shannon Sharpe:but here's the thing though Ocho you see how women can have standards women can say I want somebody six foot tall I want somebody to make X amount of dollars I want somebody that has a degree I want somebody that's well read and likes to travel yeah Shannon says Shannon says oh he don't want a woman to pass gas right that's why you're single you see Now, women just listed on five, ten things what they want. That ain't what I ain't single. Right, right, right. But, hey, I say I want a woman to pass gas around me. I want a woman, she go to the bathroom, I don't need to know. Close the door. Oh, I can see why I'm single.
29:59Shannon Sharpe:Women tell you all the things they want. The first thing a man says, they'll say, you know what? I want a woman that's about five, ten. I want her to have her natural hair. I want her to have everything natural. He's so shallow. a man a man tell you what he want he's shallow women go out there and tell you everything I want this this this and this hey I don't blame you baby don't settle don't settle
30:28Joe Johnson:but a man's supposed to settle
30:30Shannon Sharpe:but women never supposed to settle man y 'all better miss me
30:35Joe Johnson:yeah hey it's an ongoing battle on it's an ongoing battle of the sexes and what we want what we require there's a lot of delusion in it as well it's I like it I like it whatever you believe in whatever your standards may be go for it go for it again like I say shoot for the highest the highest you can the chance of you getting you know what you're actually shooting for it's slim to none but hope and believe that one day you may achieve it but I mean
31:09Shannon Sharpe:I'm saying no Joe I don't I don't care. I don't care what race you date. I don't care whatever the case may be. But it seems to be jaded for one side that a woman gets to have all these prerequisites that they require from a man. But the moment a man says this, oh, he's shallow. Oh, he's this. He's that. Why can't I say I want this out of a woman? Right. Like women say they want this from a man.
31:36Joe Johnson:That's all I'm asking.
31:37Shannon Sharpe:I don't care what you date. I don't care who you date. But I'm just asking, why can't men have standards like women? We're supposed to take with anything. We're supposed to take anything that wink at us and lay down, hey, you better be glad, Shanna, you're 57. I don't give a damn if I'm 87. Yeah. You ain't fit to put no stipulations on me.
32:03Joe Johnson:Double standards. I said, come on, man. Depending on who you ask. That's a great topic. That's a great conversation.
32:12Shannon Sharpe:Hey, if she, if $100 ,000, whatever the case may be, most of the time, men don't say, oh, she needs to make this. Okay, you treat me good. Okay, blah, blah, blah.
32:29Joe Johnson:But also, you got to think about this too, men that make that kind of money, men that make that kind of meaning 5 million and more they like dealing with women that don't have as much or really don't need them because they don't want to deal with women that don't need them they want to deal with women that need them that puts them in positions of power where they're able to control what you can and can't do so they enjoy that and most women I don't think they understand when you deal with these men that have that kind of money that are taking care of you and doing everything for you you hey there's really no freedom huh but because you make you make one mistake the chance of getting
33:07Shannon Sharpe:that again it's slim to none you got to be careful the reason why men because a woman that makes that kind of money she don't have that kind of time to devote to a man that's making that kind of money anyway so women that don't make that money the man is expecting them to be there at their beck and call if a woman make that right she's working just as hard as a man that's making that yeah so that's why you don't see a lot a lot of times a lot sometimes not all but i'm talking about like movie stars you know the saying is you know why movie stars because the other know what it's like to live in that world but more when you start seeing women men okay you make a million you make two million you make five you make 10 you make 20 do you understand yeah what is required of a woman to make that kind of a salary yeah it's different she ain't finna be cooking coming home and cooking for you?
33:57Shannon Sharpe:She ain't been to be cooking. No, bro. Come on now. It's different. So you have to understand. Okay. I want somebody that's going to be the mother of my kids. I want somebody that's going to stay home and take care of the house. Woman is making$10 million. I don't believe she giving that up, Ocho. She don't work too hard to be put in that position. I'm just saying I could be wrong, but it's hard. It's hard.
34:21Joe Johnson:You're not wrong. You're not wrong because y 'all understand a woman that's making$10 million a year that's a plan that's been thought out strategized years in advance her whole life and she's not messing that up no that's that wasn't a mistake yeah that was not a mistake
34:43Shannon Sharpe:so it's man these women got real bold with it but it is what it is yeah
34:49Joe Johnson:but listen it eliminates gray area it eliminates gray area and it eliminates games. Now, what it does do, it makes a percentage of the type of men that they can date. It shrinks the pool very, very, very, very, very small. I want a man that makes$5 million. Well, I know one thing. All of them that make$5 million or more? I mean, well, the chance, I mean, you got to wait to turn to come off the bench. That's about it. You ain't going to be the only one, but he does make$5 million. Mm-hmm. I mean, you know, they get the pick from the, they get the pick from the pond on who they, on who they want to deal with.
35:27Hey, listen, that Pacific day, you understand what that comes with now.
35:32Joe Johnson:I mean, listen, some, sometimes women don't care as long as they got it. Hey, but it, but it is what it is.
35:39Shannon Sharpe:Ochoa has been reported. A woman divorces her husband after$11 ,000 nose job and discovered her worth. It changed my life. I have a lot of time to recover after the nose job. and it made me think, I need to really get the divorce so I can move on with my life.
35:57Joe Johnson:Listen, there's certain things that happen for women in life. They come into some money. They get things done to enhance their body, their appearance, and then they start getting attention from others, the type of attention that they never got before. And most of the time, it fools you when you get attention from others before. especially not only when you're married, you have somebody that actually loves you. You have somebody that loves you. You build a foundation with them. And it's different as opposed from the lust that you get from others. That you understand. They just want to hate. It's different, Ocho.
36:34Joe Johnson:I hate.
36:35Shannon Sharpe:It's different. When you home and your girl said, Ocho, you look good today. Now, you go out with your boys. Like, damn, Ocho. I ain't know. Yeah. Yeah. Boy. You see it all.
36:48Joe Johnson:You see it all the time. Coming from a different mouth and you hear it. It'll fool you every time, huh? It will fool you every time. It absolutely would. It will. And stuff like that happens. It happens all the time. It happens all the time. You go from, and listen, I love that line. It happens to a lot of women all the time because they allow the outside, the outside voices to get to them because it's new. Yes. All the time. And you leave, you know, women leave relationships with guys where they have a solid foundation, where things are going well. And most of the time they have these beliefs and thinking everything's going to be pieces of cream when it doesn't work that way.
37:28Joe Johnson:And the outside voices have you going for the main attraction to now you're just another number on a dude roster because you think the grass is green on the other side or somewhere else. And it happens like there's countless stories of this happening over and over and over and over. it's ridiculous especially this one story here oh I got my known job now I'm getting all the type of attention that I never got before and I think it might be better somewhere else but you leave your loving husband your solid foundation someone where you got stability and you think it's better elsewhere man shoo man shoo
38:11and
38:12Shannon Sharpe:I'm great at giving advice I just don't take sometimes I don't even take my own damn advice and that's why I need my ass kicked I told my homeboy my homeboy had my homeboy had this girl man she was amazing yeah she cooked cleaned I'm talking about yeah this A I need$500 she might have$400 she gonna give him the$400 and go borrow the other$100 to make sure he get it ooh come on now this dude I said man don't do that I said you got a good girl I said man she great they end up getting married I mean she was great Ocho Ocho Ocho and this dude I mean he's like he like he like dog it's just something about that newness the new one she knew this one knew I said I said bro your wife gonna be new to another ninja yeah I said bro I'm telling you yeah
39:15Joe Johnson:They still together?
39:19Mm-mm Yeah Hey
39:22Joe Johnson:One thing about it One thing about it You never You never know what you got Until it's gone You don't
39:28Shannon Sharpe:I'll be Oh Joe
39:29Joe Johnson:You never Listen You never know what you got Until it's gone
39:37You never
39:37Joe Johnson:You never do I've never You know what's funny Is I've been in the game so long, I've been playing the game so long, is I know when I'm always right. I never missed. I never missed. Never.
39:59Shannon Sharpe:All I'm saying, look here, if all of a sudden your lady start working out, she working out for somebody else to see her naked.
40:06Joe Johnson:That's a beautiful thing right there. that's a beautiful thing too I'm just not only is she working out for somebody else to see her naked that means he get to take her off the books you know when the team you know what we don't see you putting in the same type of production as you used to so we gonna have to ask you to take a pay cut well you know I ain't taking no pay cut alright well we gonna have to release you you know what it feels like for an NFL team to move off from a player whose salary is 10 million a year or 20 million a year and then you get that 20 or 10 million off your books, you know how much freedom that is?
40:50Joe Johnson:So can you imagine you having a woman who's working out all of a sudden out of the blue so another man can see her naked? That means he gets to take on that responsibility and those expenses and those bills and that headache. That's a great thing. I'm not sure why many times see when things end as, oh my God, I want to chase behind her. Oh, I love her. Man, what are you talking about, bro? What are you talking about? Who chases after an expense that doesn't even want to be with you anymore? I understand love and all that. Think about it. Why am I chasing after another expense? Or whoever it is that you're in love with, if things aren't working out, what exactly are you chasing?
41:32Joe Johnson:What value is she bringing to the table to or for you?
41:37Shannon Sharpe:I mean, if she got, I mean, look, it all depends what you're looking for. If you, if you, if you find, if you found a woman, you found someone, she works, she has a job, she's working, she's bringing stuff to the table. She's helping you. You're helping her. Okay. That's a, that's a great relationship. Now you find a woman, you say, babe, you can continue to work, but you don't have to if you don't want to. Because I need you to do X, Y, and Z, and Z, and Z. And in the process, I'm going to make sure everything that you normally have to cover, I'll cover it. Now, me. Okay. Boom. I understand that.
42:22Shannon Sharpe:She's like, well, nah, I kind of want my own thing because I don't want to be under control because if you control the money, a lot of times, he who controls the money...
42:31Joe Johnson:Controls me. Every time. Every time.
42:33Shannon Sharpe:It's just like the job. The job feel that they're going to teach you a certain type of way because they control the money. Now, if you need the money, you're going to have to. So a lot of times she's like, I don't want to be in this situation because I don't want you to have that level of control. Okay, fine. Yeah. Fine. But it's just like, I just hate these conversations because it's so one-sided. Yeah, it is. because I get, let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, I have a kid with somebody. Yeah. Now, okay, she's loving me. She's cooking for me. She's providing, you know, she's doing what a woman could do.
43:09Joe Johnson:Okay,
43:10Shannon Sharpe:I'm doing for her, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right. But what happens, she leave. See, the state will require me to do all the things that I was doing before. They'll require me. She don't have to do nothing. Yeah. She don't have to give me no more hoo-ha. she don't have to see me no more the state will require me to take care and do what I need to do you see how one side of that is why wouldn't the state require her to do something for me mm-hmm but you know what Ocho at this juncture of my life I'm only going to be with who I want to be with I don't care I'm going to be with who I want to be with
43:48Joe Johnson:speaking of junctures speaking of junctures in life obviously at my big age or you're a big age, I'm in search of a life partner. Always have been. And when one thing doesn't work out,
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49:42Shannon Sharpe:Stop me.
49:47Hey, see?
49:48Joe Johnson:That's perfect. You see, this is why I'm trying to get you a partner now. It's perfect right there. Them nights you can't sleep at night, boom. Hey, honey, I wrote a poem for you. Hey, honey, let me write you a love letter. Hold on. I'm going to recite some Shakespeare to your girl or something. Hold on. Hold on.
50:05Shannon Sharpe:I thought you got somebody saying he's been married in two years. Yeah, yeah. You heard that joke? Yo live for sure. Hey, just because y 'all don't see me, I'm listening and watching now.
50:15Joe Johnson:OK. OK.
50:17Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.
50:17Joe Johnson:Hey, Joe, you married? Hey, Joe, you married, huh? Nah. Close enough. I ain't married.
50:21Shannon Sharpe:Close enough. OK. Calm and long.
50:23Joe Johnson:Hold on. Stay with me.
50:24Shannon Sharpe:He just ain't got no paperwork. Hey, long.
50:27Joe Johnson:Listen. This is what we can do. We could all make this official and have a trifecta wedding. Hold on. Yeah, we could have a trifecta wedding. I'm official.
50:36Shannon Sharpe:I just ain't got no whistle. You know what I'm saying?
50:44Shannon Sharpe:I'm good. Yeah, we back. We back. We probably watching. Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. I'm picking up what you're putting down. I got you. Yeah, you see what I'm saying? Joe, we know it. Yes. You feel me now? Ocho, it's time to come home.
51:01Joe Johnson:Yeah, yeah. Come home. It's about that time. Yeah, yeah. We not getting no younger.
51:07Shannon Sharpe:No, I ain't.
51:09Joe Johnson:Hey, Joe, I tried to explain to Unc. I say the older we get, the older we get, the chances of getting what we want, it becomes slim. Because what's available out there right now, don't nobody else want. Because that's why it's available. You hear me?
51:27Shannon Sharpe:Hey, hey, hey. You get a certain age, you know.
51:30Joe Johnson:Hey. You get what you can, not what you want to.
51:33Shannon Sharpe:You know what I'm saying?
51:34Joe Johnson:Hey, the pickings are slim now.
51:35Shannon Sharpe:Hey, it's a tough time to be dating now, boy.
51:38Joe Johnson:Hey, what? Hey, boy. I waved my white flag a long time ago.
51:43Shannon Sharpe:I remember back, hey, we always, hey, we got back to school closed. It was like a week before school, everything done been picked over. Right. Hey, Joe. Hey, it wasn't early. We done, hey, we get the last two weeks. Everybody that's been picked over. Everybody that tried the jeans on, that tried the shirt on, that had their feet in the shoe. That's where they came up. Because I remember when I was coming up, Joe, people be trying the shoes on just their bare foot. Yeah. You ain't have no socks. You know, they just started. You laughing, old Joe. I ain't lying. They, you people had their bra like, damn.
52:19Shannon Sharpe:Hey, let me get into what he just had. But that was back in the day. so but I'm okay it's time to come on in Ocho it's time to come on home oh man it just it is what it is and I listen I'm I'm I'm at fault too I'm at fault too yeah for sure as I've gotten older
52:40Joe Johnson:I've tried I struck out huh I've tried I've tried I've struck out but you know I'm back I'm back at the plate that's that's the one thing I love about baseball is at some point as much as you strike you'll get your opportunity to be at the plate again. And right now, boy, I'm about to hit a home run.
52:59Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, yeah. You know what my problem was, Ocho?
53:02Joe Johnson:Call me, uh, uh, Vagero. Joey Ohtani? No, not Ohtani. What's up? Aaron Judge? No, play for the Blue Jays. Oh, Vlad Guerrero Jr.? I'm Guerrero Jr. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yeah, man, this, hey.
53:21Shannon Sharpe:the thing was you know my problem was Ocho talk to me looking for perfection
53:25Joe Johnson:ooh take your time
53:27Shannon Sharpe:it ain't out of one boy she the perfect height she was the perfect complexion she had the perfect build she had the perfect bro you not gonna find all that in one you just listen I've come to the realization I've got to find a woman that have enough of the qualities that I'm looking for that I'm willing to overlook the ones that she don't have. It took me 57 years to realize that there is no such thing as perfection, although we constantly try to achieve it. Talk to him. So now I'm like, okay, that's enough. Right. You're enough. Yes. You're tall enough. You're fine enough. The complexion is enough.
54:14Shannon Sharpe:Everything is enough. Come on now. And it took me a while to realize that because I'm like, I'm trying to be perfect. Hell, I want the perfect person.
54:23Joe Johnson:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
54:23Shannon Sharpe:That's why I ate the way I ate. That's why I trained, because I was trying to be perfect. Shannon, and my sister just said, Shannon, you realize you're not going to be perfect, right? You realize you flawed. You are flawed. I don't know why. We all are.
54:38Joe Johnson:Yeah. I mean, I'm like. Listen, I would love to be a therapist. I would love to be a counselor for my sisters because they have expectations. And I love people having expectations and having wants and needs and wanting requirements for people that they date to meet those qualifications. You hear me? What y 'all laughing at?
55:02Shannon Sharpe:I'm listening, bro. Yeah. But here's the thing, Ocho. But stay with me real quick.
55:09Joe Johnson:I want to hear this one. What are the chances? If you ask a woman, Joe, if you ask a woman what is she looking for in a man you hear me and she'll run down the list of all the qualities and all the requirements that's that she wants and it's almost it's a build-a-bear it's not it's not real the expectations aren't realistic so everyone is looking for this this not not imaginary but you you'll meet a guy that that'll meet half of what you want And, you know, nah, he ain't no good. No, he work at Sears. Oh, he work at Macy's. I can't do nothing with that.
55:45Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Joe. Yeah. The easiest thing you'll do is to get with a person. Getting with is the easy part. Staying is what's hard. Man. Basketball came easy to Joe. Football came easy to you and I. But guess what we had to do? We had to practice. We had to study. we had to lift weights we had to train all that goes towards work yeah working you see everybody gets to the relationship and then that's it you've got to work every single day because the person that you met yesterday is not the person today the person that you go bed the bed with tonight gonna wake up and so now instead of finding a reason to break up can I find a reason to stay in the words of earth winning five can i find a reason just one can i find one
56:39Joe Johnson:reason to stay the reason that we love games been played all of our reason was a come on now take your time right so now it took me a while because i i i don't show man hey Damn. Damn. Nah, Shannon. Because at the end of the day, the way she look today,
57:04Shannon Sharpe:she ain't going to look like that 10 years from now. She ain't going to look like that from 20 years from now. And that booty that's up on her shoulders, it's going to be down by her knees. And you're going to need to pick it up and walk behind her. Because you know what? She walking in a silhouette that you can see. Now, when she get about 55, 60, it's going to be dragging in the sand on the beach. You're going to know where she went. Hey, what about my girl? Okay, I feel trialed. You know what I'm saying? And you got to accept that, Ocho. Because you know what? I walked by the mirror the other day, and I was like, damn.
57:43Shannon Sharpe:I ain't the same guy no more, Ocho. Hold on. You lost it? Ocho, I'm telling you. I used to pee in a boot from 25. feet away. That's how your arm was, Ocho. I ain't that no more. What happened? Hey, you say you ain't got it like you used to. I ain't got it like I used to. I'm like, well, damn. I'm like, I'm not terrible. Right. But I'm looking at how I once was. Right. And so if I were, if women were to judge me by what I used to be, as opposed to what I currently am, right. I ain't gonna get nobody. Damn. I know I used to, hey, I walked around at 235 with 5 % body fat. OK. 3%, 4 % body fat for years.
58:36Shannon Sharpe:Right. And so I was like, you know what? I need to give people grace like I'm asking people to give me grace. Hey. Hold on, what you saying? You fat now? Nah. No, I ain't fat. Oh, no, everybody, no stretch of the imagination. OK, OK. Hey, hey, I'm saying his bounce back ain't like it used to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's bounce back, ain't it? Yeah, yeah, Ocho. Ocho. Yeah, yeah. Damn. I'm just saying the baby arm ain't what it used to be. That's all I'm saying, Ocho. That's all. All right, that's it. We ain't going no further. 26. 26. I'm going to be back. Chat, stay with me till 26. My bad, Thanos.
59:14Shannon Sharpe:My bad, Thanos. Yeah. But you just, you have to come to the realization, man, And I've come to the realization that, hey, it is what it is. Hey, I ain't 27. I ain't 37. Hey, just got to keep kicking. Hey. I just put one foot in front of the other and just keep going forward.
59:41Joe Johnson:Well, we back.
59:41Shannon Sharpe:We all the way back.
59:43Joe Johnson:I love it.
59:44Shannon Sharpe:No, no, no, no. We all the way back. But you better believe 26 is going to be all the cracking. All right. That's what I'm talking about. I'm gonna be part of some of that cool stuff y 'all got going. Yeah, you know, the reason why y 'all fell in love with Uncle Ocho Nightcap? 26. 26. Yeah, two more months. Y 'all know. I got these jokes. Hey, I ain't into joke telling business like quick, but I got some. But man, this... Man. You know what I'm saying? You know, you driving, you just spent a lot of time. You know, I've had a lot of time today because, you know, my grandmother say, boy, she say, you either walking into the storm, you in the storm, or you walking out of it.
1:00:30Shannon Sharpe:Yes, sir. She say somebody, everybody going through something, son. Yeah. Come on.
1:00:34Joe Johnson:Come on, now.
1:00:34Shannon Sharpe:Boy, and when you in that storm, when you in the eye of the storm, the eye of the storm dropped down in New Orleans, Katrina, that was the eye. Yeah. Boy, you don't think, you don't know if it's ever. Mm-hmm. ever like when is this gonna be over how much longer man hello where do i go when does it end what that yeah hey but i at the idol storm could be i ocho i read a quote many many years ago it said a lesson that's not learned in blood is destined to be repeated
1:01:16Shannon Sharpe:I had a conversation with my brother probably about two months ago and he called me and I said well you know he obviously he knew what was going on because I called him and told him or heard a time and then something else came out then something else came out then ESPN came out he said Shannon there's a lesson in here somewhere for you to be going through what you're going through there is a lesson it's on you to figure it out yeah I said man I sure wish I would he said you know what he said no that's not the plan he said if you knew what it was you would circumvent the lesson right he said no but you'll figure it out yeah he said you'll figure it out and And people, when y 'all see me, I don't want y 'all to have the wrong impression.
1:02:17Shannon Sharpe:But I'm just very guarded now. I'm very, very guarded. I was always on alert. But I'm on high alert. Because I really don't know who I can really trust. because what I've seen over the last six months, there are very few people that you can actually trust. Yeah.
1:02:37Joe Johnson:Come on now. Yeah.
1:02:38Shannon Sharpe:Very, very, very few. Man. And there are people that said some things, and it's gotten back to me. Mm-hmm. But I was like, wow. Yeah. And you remember we had this conversation, Ocho, about being down and then people feel like they can pile on. Yeah. But I'm just very, I'm very matter of fact. I'm very, hey, how you doing? It's nice to meet you. I'm on my way I'm on my way because I don't want people yeah I had a conversation because if you stay too long Ocho the more people and this is what I had to learn and somebody told me this they say Shannon the more people you become involved with the more stories there is to be told
1:03:24Shannon Sharpe:circle gotta be crazy small the more people you're involved with Shannon the more stories there are to be told. Mm-hmm. Okay.
1:03:36Joe Johnson:I like that.
1:03:41I didn't know what was gonna happen.
1:03:45Shannon Sharpe:I appreciate you Ocho, because you're like, hey, when you text me, Unc, I'm with you.
1:03:50Joe Johnson:Yeah.
1:03:50Shannon Sharpe:Whatever we gotta go through, we going through it. You ain't by yourself.
1:03:53Joe Johnson:Till the wheels fall the fuck off. Shit, you gave me the opportunity. there are so many people Ocho and Joe
1:04:01Shannon Sharpe:that used to call that used to text I ain't heard from them since this happened but that's alright though that's alright though keep it moving baby maybe this is what I don't wish this on anybody but what it did do is it really showed me who's really, really there. There are a lot of people on the peripheral when things were going well, we're at the apex and getting invited to everything. I'm talking about ain't called. Ain't called. And I'm talking about, we were talking once a month, twice a month. Right.
1:04:58Joe Johnson:Are we gonna come back? What I see. Yeah, and you know what I think about too, Unc and Joe, you had to think about, you know, Unc, what you had to go through. You know, I've been in the eye of that storm too now.
1:05:09Shannon Sharpe:Mm-hmm.
1:05:11Joe Johnson:Big time in front of the world. Yeah. So I had to take my licks. I had to take my licks. You gotta, you gotta. And I had, hey, Joe, what them calls stop, ain't hurt nobody. My circle was always small, so my same circle was right there, you know, to lift me up. But I already knew I was going to sit for a minute.
1:05:31Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.
1:05:31Joe Johnson:For a long time. Joe, I had a, it was quiet up for maybe six years.
1:05:37Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.
1:05:37Joe Johnson:Well, you know how long six years is? Hell yeah. Ain't nothing coming? No, nothing. You just, I'm, and then here we go. You give me an opportunity, you know, while everything is back going motion and going, it's going good.
1:05:52Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.
1:05:53Joe Johnson:And then you think I had a nerd to jump ship just because you're going through what I had to go through years ago. I know what it's like.
1:06:04Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. And I'm looking at the chat. Everybody say Stephen A. No, I will say this. Stephen A has called me and been there every step of the way. I will say that. I will say Stephen A has reached out. He's called. Asked me anything. Juvie. he's like man juvie just wanted to say hey that's that's his boy he just wanted to say hey you good hey oh you good i'm good i'm good look i know a lot of people say a lot of things about steven a all i can attest to is the way steven a is with shannon and he's been great because when i went through what i was going through with fox he was there when i was going through what this he was call it anything I can do.
1:06:48Shannon Sharpe:What can I do? I won't get into private conversations that we have because that's between he and I. But there are a lot of other people. A lot. Well, I shouldn't say a lot. A lot of the parts of the land. There were a few. Quite a few.
1:07:08Shannon Sharpe:But you know what? I was I've been down before. this public lashing and ridicule and scorn and humiliation take your lumps but it took me a while to realize like hold on you call the people that you're closest to brother, mom sister, kids, best friend, bucket burns you explain to them what they say bro we good once I got to that Ocho you and I talked about this man look it is what it is I'm going to be alright
1:07:54Joe Johnson:I ain't even want to hear it we good
1:07:58Shannon Sharpe:sunshine follows rain
1:07:59Joe Johnson:what time the next show that's all I want to know what time is the next show that's exactly what he said He did it. That's what he did.
1:08:15Shannon Sharpe:Y 'all know confidence. It's something else, bro. When you gain some confidence, bro, it change your whole game. You be a totally different player.
1:08:24Joe Johnson:Boy, completely. Hey, Unk and Joe, when you got confidence, boy, you walk different. Hello. You hear me? It's like when you get a haircut. For some reason, when you get a haircut, I don't know what it is about getting a haircut and having that little lineup. But a guy having that little shave, you just feel different. There's a certain confidence.
1:08:41Shannon Sharpe:When you get that in sports, and you kind of like get it figured out.
1:08:46Joe Johnson:When I figured it out, Joe, like when it came to football, when I got about in year two, like in the middle of the season, I said, well, God damn, they say the game is supposed to move fast, but for some reason, everything seemed to be moving slow.
1:08:58Shannon Sharpe:Slows down, yep.
1:09:00Joe Johnson:Man, I said, you know what? I finally arrived.
1:09:02Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. You see guys. He know he a bench warmer. and he go up there and talk to the baddest thing at the party like it ain't nothing, all up in the face. Bro, I ain't even that confident. Yeah, yeah. Damn, Shaw, she can't say nothing but no. Yeah, hello. But I ain't really trying to hear that tonight. Yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, some guys. I need this to be a yes party. Yeah, hey. Some guys got, hey, hey, boy, that's a different type of confidence. She can only say yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it. Oh, yeah. That's it.
1:09:35Joe Johnson:Hey, that's me there. I don't care who it is, boy. Out my league, in my league, below my... I mean, it don't matter. You know, I'm going to come up... I'm going to start off with a joke. You going to say something. Oh, Joe, I don't care. Hey, Joe, I don't even care. Hold on, hold on, hold on, Ocho. In high school when I ain't had no money, I don't care who it is. Ocho. I'm going to be funny.
1:09:54Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, I'm saying, let's say you go... Let's say you're in a restaurant and she eating, she got four or five other girls. Oh, take your time, Joe. You're going to go up to the table and go and point it out.
1:10:03Joe Johnson:I'm going up to the whole table You get the baddest one You with the baddest brick in the pile Man listen excuse me Excuse me miss Excuse me Hey how you doing I don't mean to interrupt But what's your name Yeah Okay listen I don't want to interrupt And I don't want to take too much of your time Because you with your girls right You free for dinner in two weeks And boom she gonna laugh Because the first thing Who the hell asked to go to dinner in two weeks Yeah I'm asking for two weeks Because the two weeks part Is what's gonna get your attention Because why would you not ask to take me to dinner You know Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:10:33Joe Johnson:What's the two weeks for? The two weeks for, oh, the two weeks just give you enough time to get comfortable so you get to know me. Mm, okay. Boom, so boom, she locked in right there, off the rip.
1:10:42Shannon Sharpe:Hey, Joe, hey, how do you - See, Ocho, see that word right there? Yeah, hey, hey. Go tell her your homeboy with a holla at her. Now I got Ocho, I got Ocho for Ocho. Hey, hey, hey. That's me. Hey, hey, hey.
1:10:55Joe Johnson:It's not what you say, it's how you say it.
1:10:59Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, yeah.
1:10:59Joe Johnson:Yeah, delivery's important. You know, most of the time women, they alarm when strangers approach them, right? Yeah. You got to put them at ease as fast as possible. Yeah. And you got to have the gift of gab, Joe.
1:11:11Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.
1:11:11Joe Johnson:It's all in delivery. It's all in delivery.
1:11:13Shannon Sharpe:Hey, hey, hey. And then after you do all that and her friends vows for you, ooh, it's a wrap. Ooh, girl. Look, girl. And yeah. Now you the talk of the group chat. Yeah. Hey. Yeah. Yeah. But you get your homeboy like Ocho because he Ocho Brave. Yeah. I don't care. I don't care. Hey, what's your name? Yeah. You see my partner over there? You know, I'm like this here, Joe. I'm over there like this here. Yeah, yeah. He tried to even though. He wanted to know if he can get your number. I tell him to come up and ask for it himself.
1:11:51Joe Johnson:Hey. I'm telling you, Joe. Hey, Joe. I got so much in my little toolbox, right? I got so much in my tool box because I talk a lot. Yeah. And obviously, I'm not shy. I'm very, I don't want to say confident, but I approach anybody.
1:12:07Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.
1:12:08Joe Johnson:Oh, he will? Any setting. It doesn't matter where we at. Man, we at church. We at a funeral. Well, I don't go to the club. But just any outing, if I see something, I like, oh, man, Joe, I'm ready. Hey, Joe. I'm ready. Hey, Joe.
1:12:22Shannon Sharpe:And Ro. What? Go fushy? No. Come on. Hey, that gentleman told me, say, man, hey, hey, hey, man, it's too hot for calling. I said, oh, no, come on, man. But you made it too hot for calling. I said, oh. Come on, man. Come on. Come on, Joe.
1:12:42Joe Johnson:Hey, Joe, he made that up, man. Hey, he made that up. Hey, but listen. Yeah, that was true. Hey, let me tell you.
1:12:50Shannon Sharpe:Man, man, man, it's too hot for calling. I'm going to choke. Come on now.
1:12:55Joe Johnson:Hey, let me tell you another one I used to do, Uncle Joe. early in my career, in my younger days, right, another one, if it was somebody that was real fine, I mean, I'm talking about real fine, you know, she was a girl, oh, by herself, I act like I'm on my phone, right?
1:13:09Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.
1:13:09Joe Johnson:And I'd be, you know, I'd purposely walk, walk like, damn, my phone ain't working, and I'd walk up to him and be like, listen, I'm trying to make an important call to my mama and my grandma, you know, but my phone just died, can I use your phone real quick? Yeah. Please, I don't mean to be rude, can I use your phone real quick and call my mama. So that was to eliminate any chance of rejection.
1:13:29Shannon Sharpe:Oh, okay.
1:13:31Joe Johnson:Because of the delivery and the way I say it, and being very sincere, and they give me the phone. Okay, no problem. But I call my phone. So I call my phone. Boom. Boom. We leave. I get my phone back. My first text message. Boom. While I'm walking away, thank you. I appreciate that. I just didn't want to deal with no rejection. But thank you for giving me your number. And we on from there. I ain't had no problem since. Oh, that was cute. I ain't never had nobody do that to me. I know. Wait till I get a hold of you. You ain't never had nobody do that either.
1:14:02Shannon Sharpe:Oh, yeah. Yeah, Joe. Damn.
1:14:04Joe Johnson:Hey, Joe, I was here when I was well, Joe. I had a lot of tricks.
1:14:08Shannon Sharpe:Hey, look. I got tricks over there, too. He got all them dogs. She come over there. She playing. Oh, hey, Teddy. She having good them a long time. He so cute. Yeah. Yeah, he put that little portier in her. It's a wrap.
1:14:22Shannon Sharpe:No, no, no. Ain't no drinking. Ain't no drinking.
1:14:25Joe Johnson:No? No, no, no, no. Hey, see, Unk got it easy, too. Unk, you got a convertible? You got any kind of convertible car? No, no, no. I was going to say, hey, Joe, if you got a convertible and you got little dogs, you just put a little dog in the passenger seat and let him look out the window, oh, you good.
1:14:42Shannon Sharpe:I don't want that type of attention, man.
1:14:45Joe Johnson:No, no, no, no, no, no. Where you taking the dog? Yeah, Joe. Hey, Joe. Hey, boy. Joe, I got a mouthpiece on me, Joe.
1:14:55Shannon Sharpe:That's how you... Hey, hey, look. Hey, I got homeboys like that. Oh, Joe, we be out at the spot in the club. They'll walk in somebody else's section and go get a girl like, damn. Yeah. Maybe we're going to be here fighting. Come on, man. You know how they go. No, I can't. What you say, Joe? They all in somebody else's section? Man, I got some dudes who will go in another dude's section and pull a girl out of there. I'm like, come on, man. We're going to be fighting in here, bro. Yeah. Hey, on the first couple of dates, no drinking. Wait, what? No, you can't drink around me. Not the first couple of dates.
1:15:32Joe Johnson:Time out. Come on, we ain't going to do that.
1:15:34Shannon Sharpe:You think she going to get too loose? I don't. Hey, I need you to be in your right mind. I need you to remember everything. Right. What time I picked you up, where we went. Hey, what's my phone number?
1:15:49Joe Johnson:that's that's not fair most of the time especially on the first date a woman needs to be able to
1:15:53Shannon Sharpe:have some type of alcohol to be able to relax no because they nervous no and definitely back back when the day when you actually picked up a girl from the you know picked her up from her home or stuff yeah yeah that ain't happened in a long time now you know hey after a couple of times you you know you ubering hey you get in your car you get in your car you go your separate way but nah man you tripping man you gotta even if somebody I used to go to the club and the young lady been drinking I got to move on damn nope I can't do with no belligerent drunk but you gotta take a shot just to get in the section hell yeah oh no hell no we finna party we finna a good time yeah we grown we gon' be adults about this Who is the most recognizable face of the group?
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