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Best-of recap of the Track World Athletics Championships (Part 1), focusing on sprint highlights and major controversy around USADA testing, plus commentary on Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone’s record-breaking 400m run.
Guests
Fred Kerley, U.S. sprinter (world champion 100m; Olympic silver medalist 100m; also cited as having sub-44 400m, sub-19.8 200m, sub-9.8 100m). He discusses his ongoing suspension/appeal and his views on anti-doping enforcement.
Key claims
- Kerley says he’s “still contesting” a whereabouts-related issue and insists he’s been clean; he challenges USADA/WADA methods as overly intrusive (“feels like prison”).
- He argues the system targets athletes via whereabouts rather than positive drug tests.
- He believes Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone can go faster than her 47.78 and potentially sub-47.5, and he predicts fast 400m finals times.
Notable examples
- McLaughlin-Levrone’s 48.29 semifinal (48.29 discussed as a huge American record improvement) and discussion of the difficulty of cracking sub-48.
- Fred’s predictions for men’s 100m/200m podiums (Noah Lyles, Tobogo, others) and women’s 200m (Sharika Jackson, Melissa Jefferson).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOFred Curley on Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone
0:00 to 0:34
Discussion on Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone's potential and achievements.
“When you're moving like I do, you don't always get a lot of lead time.”
Fred Curley on Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone
0:40 to 1:07
Discussion on Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone's potential and achievements.
“On the day I decided to enroll in the nursing program at Rasmussen University, it was afternoon, my 35th birthday.”
Fred Curley on Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone
2:12 to 2:23
Discussion on Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone's potential and achievements.
“But without T-Mobile 5G home internet, it's scary here.”
Fred Curley on Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone
2:57 to 5:24
Discussion on Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone's potential and achievements.
“This guy has done something that very few track and field men in the track and field game has ever done.”
Oblique Seville's Success at Championships
5:24 to 6:28
Insights into Oblique Seville's performance at the World Championships.
“When you look at it, Fred, I think a part of it, because they're talking now that maybe, and Bobby, Bobby Kersey, he coached Flojo, Gail Devers.”
Fred Curley Addresses Controversies
6:28 to 10:28
Fred discusses his whereabouts violation and the challenges in athletics.
“ended up winning the World Championship, the 100 meters?”
Challenges in Track and Field
10:28 to 14:00
Fred Curley speaks on athlete compensation and the demands of performance.
“Rob Markman - Hey, Fred, basically that's the same thing with us in the off season, huh?”
Fred Kerley's Perspective on Competition
14:00 to 15:10
Fred shares his views on the differences in competition expectations between America and Europe.
“Nobody come into my rescue and ask me if I got this or got that.”
Navigating Suspension and Training
15:10 to 16:43
Discussion on being suspended from competition and the importance of ongoing training.
“What made you decide to go to the, what made you decide to drop down and do the 100?”
Navigating Suspension and Training
17:18 to 18:04
Discussion on being suspended from competition and the importance of ongoing training.
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Navigating Suspension and Training
18:56 to 19:12
Discussion on being suspended from competition and the importance of ongoing training.
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Fred's Journey from 400m to 100m
19:12 to 21:20
Fred discusses his transition from running the 400m to focusing on the 100m sprint.
“My coach left me in 2019 to go get a degree overseas.”
Overcoming Doubts and Expectations
21:20 to 22:30
Fred reflects on overcoming doubts and societal expectations in his athletic career.
“To go sub 44, to go sub 19-8, to go sub 9-8.”
Critique of Drug Testing in Athletics
22:30 to 25:22
An in-depth conversation about drug testing practices in athletics and their implications.
“He was like, yeah, that's him, Ocho, you fast.”
Impact of Historical Context on Current Testing
25:22 to 28:00
Fred discusses how past issues in athletics affect current drug testing policies and practices.
“So in other words, it's like, those guys were like, well, I wasn't there and I'm sorry.”
Friendly Banter and Competitive Spirit
28:00 to 34:32
The hosts engage in a light-hearted discussion about personal athletic experiences and friendly competition.
“I was going to say let go to the Baton Cage.”
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34:32 to 35:33
The hosts discuss the convenience of Amazon Prime's same-day delivery service and its benefits for travelers.
“yes sir appreciate it appreciate you bro when you're moving like I do trips don't always come together weeks in advance.”
Personal Stories and Education
35:33 to 36:46
A personal testimony highlights the impact of education and support from Rasmussen University.
“I found it important to be able to speak with instructors and staff outside of office hours and to have that support system was essential because they believed in me.”
Health Discussion on Sexual Health
36:56 to 37:56
Hosts engage in an informative discussion about sexual health and the importance of prevention methods.
“I'm trying to run as fast as T-Mobile 5G home Internet, Zach.”
Record-Setting Performances at Championships
38:16 to 42:00
Discussion on Sydney McLaughlin's record-setting run and the competitive landscape of women's 400 meters.
“After nearly two decades, 19 years, Sonia Richards-Ross held the American record in the 400 meters at a time of 48-70.”
Sidney McLaughlin's Record-Breaking Performance
42:00 to 44:30
Discussion on Sidney McLaughlin's remarkable performance and its implications.
“And then now in the finals, I can drop the hammer.”
Comparative Analysis of Track Records
44:30 to 47:00
Examining historical records in track and field and their significance.
“was Tyson Gay and Johan Blake at 968 he's at 958 hey for a boat was moving in that race.”
Recent Championship Highlights
47:00 to 54:30
Highlights from recent track and field championships including various events.
“So what they're doing, if she ran more than one time under the time, under SIS time, they're counting that.”
Transcript
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2:41Shannon Sharpe:Hello, it's your favorite sports thunk here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, nightcap doesn't happen without you. So please subscribe or you're going to make Ocho.
2:56Shannon Sharpe:All right, Ocho, we got a very, very special guest joining us. This guy has done something that very few track and field men in the track and field game has ever done. He's one of the few men that has run sub 44 in the 400 meters, run sub 19.8 in the 200 meters, run sub 9.8.0 in the 100 meters. He's a world champion in the 100 meters. He's an Olympic silver medalist in the 100 meters. and I think he won the he's on the world relay team here he is ladies and gentlemen Fred Curley. Fred what's going on? I think you're on mute Fred
3:38Can you hear me? Yeah we got to do that What's going on bro? Chilling, chilling, chilling, can't complain
3:47Shannon Sharpe:Let's start with this you watch Sid today 47-78 two women I mean think about it you had to go to get on basically to get on you got to run one of the 10-11 fastest times ever for a woman just to get on the podium how impressive what you saw Sid do basically she said this year I'm done with the hurdles I'm not doing the hurdles I'm focusing on the the four flat and her sole purpose is to take that world record down many thought was untouchable how impressive how impressed Are you with what she's doing for you? I think it's crazy. It's something that I have not done and been done in 39 years. And to have somebody great as her to accomplish that is amazing.
4:27And I feel like she still can go faster. She's just still young in just the open four. Her baby is the 400 hurdles, but there's no telling what she can do in the open four. I feel like she can go even below what she did. I feel like she's still young at it. Her body's still young. I feel like she still can do some amazing stuff in that open 400 meters. you believe she can go sub 47.5? I feel like she can go faster than that. I feel like, yo, it's Sydney we talking about. Yes. Yo, so she got talent that I don't think no woman on this earth have got or no woman have discovered yet. I feel like she's amazing.
5:08So every time she touches track, it always have been a world record in her young days. So I feel like the sky's the limit, and I feel like she still got a lot more in the tank. I feel like that 47 where she ran was a chill mode, really.
5:24Shannon Sharpe:Hmm. When you look at it, Fred, I think a part of it, because they're talking now that maybe, and Bobby, Bobby Kersey, he coached Flojo, Gail Devers. Gail Devers was a two-time Olympic 100-meter champ. We know what Flojo is. We don't need to say anything. Valerie Briscoe at the time, she married Hooks, and now she's Valerie Briscoe Hooks. She was the first to do the double, the 4-2. in 84 in LA. Last time the Olympics were in LA. Guess what? In 28, the Olympics going to be in LA. Could you see Bobby Kersey going to the Olympic Committee and saying, look, we want to do something unprecedented. The only thing that they can do unprecedented is the 4-4.
6:00I feel like she always can do anything, but if the time frame presentable, I feel like no telling what the Olympic Committee can do for any of us. Right. Right.
6:13Shannon Sharpe:You watch, I mean, I don't know how much of the, are you watching the World Championship? I watch YouTube University or Twitter University. I get all the news when everything come on them channels. I have not watched it live. How surprised are you with the way Oblique Seville has run this year, ended up winning the World Championship, the 100 meters? He caught Kishane. Kishane always gets a great start. I was surprised how easy Seville made it look. Noah got the bronze, but Noah didn't have a whole lot of races. Handicap what you saw and what you think happened. I don't think I was so much surprised about the race.
6:50He's been showing it since I raced him in Jamaica. It's all about peaking at the right moment. A lot of athletes have not raced in September. They're in their cities in August each year. So every time you end your season early, you don't get that extra boost. And what I saw in the 100 meters, I feel like he was always capable of doing it. He just ended up shorthanded. And this year he showed what it was. And for Noah, I feel like I don't think he was so much concentrated on the 100 this year. I think he was so much concentrated on the 200. He lost the 200 last year. And I feel like he wanted his revenge.
7:24The 200 is baby. I feel like he wants the 200 more than the 100.
7:29Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I think so too. To be a four-time, I mean, he's already three-peated, so now he wants the four. Something that no man on the track has ever done. Well, I think Usain is done for 200. He got DQ'd in 2011. That was just 100. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, let's talk about you. Yes, sir. You had a whereabout violation that you was possibly contesting. I don't know if you're still going to contest that. I'm still contesting. I ain't doing nothing wrong, so my people are still fighting for all that. Okay. but they said you're the first if i'm not mistaken track and field athlete to be a part of the enhanced game yes sir enhanced means break a world record with enhancing i mean obviously on the protocol if you're trying to fight to say well you know what i did nothing wrong this was just a whereabout i mean uh uh i'm sorry i didn't give you say i was i was in miami and i was supposed to be in la or i was in the bahamas and i was supposed to be over here why would you why would you take this deal?
8:28Shannon Sharpe:Why would you do the enhanced game? Come test me. You know what I'm saying? Come test me. I'm not tripping. You can come to my house any second, any minute, any hour. Come test me. I'm not worried about no mistests, no nothing. Come test me. I've been clean my whole entire career. You should come test me. Only thing about signing up to this game, make money, protect my future. Equity is everything. Ownership is everything for me. And they did the exact job. I got ownership. And a lot of track athletes, when they get done with this sport, they don't got nothing to go home to. I've been to two Olympic games and been world champion, right?
9:03So for me, my understanding is I got family to feed. I'm going home. You know what I'm saying? Guess what? If I go call somebody and ask to tell me to give me$200 ,000, go get a job. I ain't never had no job. You know what I'm saying? Only thing I know is my feet run. You know what I'm saying? So nobody's going to tell me how to make money and protect my family. My bloodline depending on me. I'm the first one to make it out. And my whole job is continue to, if I make a hundred million dollars, I'm going to continue to make a hundred million dollars each and every year. So my whole job is protect my bloodline.
9:38Shannon Sharpe:So explain to me, tell me this, Frank. So tell me how the whereabouts do you, okay. So you give them locations of where you're going to be. They call you or do you put something in right at the beginning of the year and says, okay, this is my, I have a residency here in Texas. I have a residency in Florida and I have x y and z so how did the whereabouts how does this work so whereabouts is basically we fill out each quarter they gotta know all your location they gotta know if i'm here where they gotta know everywhere so so this is basically every quarter you fill out where you're gonna be but the problem with that you never know where you're gonna be okay life is life so it's just like you just gotta give them an hour they come after hours sometimes they come when they want to simple as that so So basically for me, it just feels like I'm in prison.
10:24My dad been in jail. My dad been in prison. He's still on parole. He don't got to do half of the shit I'm doing to maintain a paycheck. Rob Markman - Hey, um? Yeah. Rob Markman - Hey, Fred, basically that's the same thing with us in the off season, huh? It don't matter where you are. They always have to test where you're at. Yes. Rob Markman - Man, I don't like that. It don't matter. Hey, Fred, I remember one off season. It might've been after that 2005, 2006 season. it didn't matter where I was but you know the problem with football and track y 'all still maintain y 'all contract we don't no so in other words once you get suspended you get no money like USATF spend my medical stuff so what if somebody like me I gotta go get money regardless you know what I'm saying we don't get nothing track and field not paying me Sponsorship paying me.
11:21Okay. You know what I'm saying? Have you lost any of your endorsements? I don't got no endorsements. So what people are talking about is make money at all costs and protect my kids. Wow. So I don't care what nobody say. They're not feeding none of them. They're not even feeding me.
11:38Shannon Sharpe:So let me ask you this. You said you want a chance to push your limits. So you say they can come test you now. You know if you take part of this, Fred, you're probably going to get a lifetime ban. Yo, yo, hey, guess what? It's soon happening. Go on and do what you got to do. Hey, just like they got people, I got people. And I'm blessed. And I'm highly favored of the man above. I like it. Do you think if you were to go ahead and take this process, how do you think Fred Curley is going to be remembered? Because like I said, Fred, there's not a whole lot of men. I mean you an NCAA champ you went to the the 400 I'm still in the testing pool I'm still in the regular government body testing pool so let me ask you a question do they do blood and urine?
12:33they do both I just got a piss test today I'm not tripping you gonna be good you gonna be good I feel like the problem is they scared to pay the athletes You know what I'm saying? So they can't control us when you're trying to make other forms of income. You know what I'm saying? So if they can't control what you got in your pocket, how are they selling that you got the coaches and stuff making more than the athletes? Wow. You got agents making more than the athletes. You got president making more than the athletes. Are they protecting the athletes? You got athletes that can't get sponsorship.
13:14You got athletes that working the job to maintain their livelihood. Yeah. So at the end of the day, it's protecting myself because they don't care about me. It don't matter how much money I make with endorsements. That stuff ends. Right. And without endorsements, we're not surviving. Right.
13:37Shannon Sharpe:So what's routine pay for Diamond League? They say, well, Fred, we want you to come contest the 100 meters. what does afraid Curley get what does it got obviously Usain Bolt with a special circumstance I feel like every year been different everything been like I can't tell you on a day to day or it's wherever the meet guy or whatever the meet think is the main event of that championship oh okay so I can't like every every meet is not the same right like only thing it might be the 100 it might be the hurdles it might be the 200 it might be the 400 okay And I'm an American, so America lives different from Europeans.
14:17Okay. Like, we got to live. You know what I'm saying? Nobody come into my rescue and ask me if I got this or got that. Like, nobody care. Like, people are going to live on their regular life. If I go dead broke right now, if I go, oh, no, I don't got it. So it's protect my future, protect my kids. You know what I'm saying? My legacy, my legacy. I did everything in this sport. I'm still doing everything in this sport.
14:46Shannon Sharpe:So let me ask you this. You say you're still in the testing pool. So now you didn't go to the Worlds. So are you still training? So what is it now? What do you do now? Because basically, I don't know if there's anything after the Worlds, and so the season's basically over. Are you getting ready for next? Are you going to do the indoor season? So I'm suspended right now, previously suspended. so they i'm still texting okay yeah so i'm not basically banned as yet but they suspended me for competition okay so right my lawyer's fighting fighting that so right now i forever be training i'm so you just never stop doing what you do just because of this you never know you always got to be prepared for what's what's coming let me ask you this why did you i mean you're great 400 you're You were a great, you was on pace to be one of the greatest 400 meters.
15:43Shannon Sharpe:What made you decide to go to the, what made you decide to drop down and do the 100? See, like the, um. When you're moving like I do, trips don't always come together weeks in advance. Sometimes production shoots, interviews, or something I've got to travel for on a short notice. Like the time when I had the last minute trip to Denver and everything came together fast. Once it was locked in, I had to be ready to go. That's where Amazon Prime can make a difference. When something comes together quickly, you can get what you need like grooming essentials, neck pillows, eye masks, even snacks for the flights.
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19:28Doja Cat. Live across North America in 2026. Get tickets now at DojaCat.com. 2019 actually changed everything. My coach left me in 2019 to go get a degree overseas. 2020, I was without a coach. 2021, I was without a coach. until like a couple of, and that's when I moved to Miami and started training with Coach Joey. And I was still doing 400 training, but 400 training, you got to have somebody there just to push you. The 400 just started getting born. And then all of a sudden I was just like, let me just try this. My ankle got rolled and stuff. And then I was running on a hurt leg. And that's when God blessed me.
20:19I said, I don't know what's next. And then that's when the 100 just came. I ran 100 at a track meet in Florida, and that's when repetition started becoming easy, and that's when I dropped my first nine, and I'm like, I'm going to the Olympics. Yeah, I'm running 100 at the Olympics this year. Right. And a lot of people questioned me around me. Even my coach questioned me at the time. But at the end of the day, I'm always going to believe in my self-ability. I won't get into something if I know I'm not going to be good at it.
20:50Shannon Sharpe:because we it's it's rare now we see people do the four drop down to the two because of the strength training so you're really good we see people do the two drop down to the hundred i think uh what was the guy he went to lsu xavier he won the 400 hundred x man yeah that's man he won he won the four and the one and the sec at lsu yeah and so he was having a promise so i didn't i i I don't know if I've ever seen anybody do what you've done, but it's the times that's most impressive. To go sub 44, to go sub 19-8, to go sub 9-8. For me. Do you know anybody else that's ever done that? Yeah, I do. Besides yourself?
21:33No, I don't know nobody. But for me, it's all about people telling me I can't. I hate the word I can't. That would make me want to do it even more. Oh, you can't do this. You can't do that. Oh, like I heard that plenty of times when I'm younger. So that's why I'm going to go do it. Yeah. And every time somebody say I can't, I've been successful. And hey, you know what I'm saying? So I can't complain about what God gave me in my heart to do. He pushed me to greater things. So when somebody said I can't, that's when I'm going to do it. Just like I would moss on Ocho Cinco right now. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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22:10Dang. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. Hold on, hold on. Hey, Unk. Hey, Unk. You know why he ran sub 44, right? Well, you chasing him? Nah, ask him who he trained with. Yo, that was... Yo, he came to the track like one or two times. Asked him who he trained with, Unk. He came like... You got him, Ocho? You seen that in the four? Hey, flew by him. He was like, yeah, that's him, Ocho, you fast. Yo, you know what happened? He started training for boxing because I beat him so bad. Hey, Unk. Hey, flew by him. He was like, I didn't know you was that fast to be this old. I was like, yeah, I'm like that.
22:43Shannon Sharpe:so if this if this band is lifted I don't think there's anything next year but the USA's and then there's the world's in the 27 and then you got the Olympics in 28 so what is your immediate plans? I'm still running I'm still running the game I got a salary okay I got a salary I got equity in the company so I'm still running and still run freely you know what I'm saying people can't design me on my success like I said I ain't really miss no tests all the missed tests I missed I would add track meet so I'm not caring about nothing what people say but people gotta go into the details and stuff see they not popping people on drugs they popping people with whereabouts so they not really doing their job and guess what I got drug tests the next day after no missed tests I'm not caring about no missed tests I know what's really going down.
23:43And we exclaimed to them too. Just because I'm a mayor. Just because I'm... Go ahead, Fred, go ahead. Sorry to cut you off. Go ahead. Just because, like, I had a rough year and I can't complain. You know what I'm saying? So it's just like, just gotta do better.
24:04Shannon Sharpe:Is it a situation, they don't give you a heads up. They just need you. So they call you, stay an hour before they're going to show up. It's no cause. Oh, they just pop up? Yeah, it's no cause. None of that. What? They got to tell you. See, at least they let us know. It's none of that. It's none of that. That's not fair. That's not fair. It's none of that. See, the problem is track and field are not making no money. That's how they make the money. That's why UFC dropped them. Yeah, the drug test. Yeah, the out of test. So they're not really doing their due diligence and stuff with everything.
24:45Shannon Sharpe:I heard you keep saying Americans, Americans. Do you feel that this system is set up to catch Americans while others, countries, possibly? Because everybody don't test like the Americans. Right now, I feel like we live in a time where the OGs and stuff back in the day fucked it up for us. Sorry for cussing, but they messed it up for us. Okay, how so? You already know. The OG messed it up for us. Okay. So I don't care about getting tested. You can test me every day, every minute of the hour. So it's just like the OG messed it up for us. So in other words, it's like, those guys were like, well, I wasn't there and I'm sorry.
25:26Shannon Sharpe:And so that's why they put the whereabout clause in because when they wanted to test, guys said, well, I was over here, I was over there. So now they make y 'all every quarter. So every three months, you guys got to feel like, well, I'm going to be in Miami. I'm going to be in LA. I'm going to be in Texas. I'm going to be in Georgia. No, we got to give them every address. If I go out to eat, I got to put that address in. Like right now, I got to put this address. Every minute, they can show up. Oh, no, come on. Now, they doing too much. Now, y 'all ain't going to help me out. Yo, I'm telling you, that's how it happened.
25:54It's like we in prison. Like you got to, every hour, everywhere you go, you got to do the training block. you got to give them an hour. If you leave the house to go down the street, hey, they got to know everything. And that's what people don't realize. Like, I don't care. You can come and text me anytime, but like filling this stuff out every minute, every second, it's just like, bro, y 'all doing too much that invading the privacy and stuff too. When we go overseas, we got to fill out every minute, every second, everywhere. You know what I'm saying? Everywhere you go. If I go to a funeral right now, they got to know where I'm at at the funeral.
26:29People popping up at restaurants to test us. People popping up at airports to test us. Damn. Yeah, I've been testing. So it's basically like we in a plantation. Wow. And the outside world don't know what's actually going on. Because you got people that actually own the stuff but never getting caught because they're getting paid off. You got active cases right now in track and field that USADA and WADA is not doing nothing about. Because they're getting paid off. Yeah.
27:02Shannon Sharpe:damn that's a pretty strong accusation Fred there's no astrodexation the facts is the facts simple as that and they know it they got cases going on right now you can come and text me any day of the week and I'm not tripping I can show you my yo we get us every time we do a drug test stuff comes to my phone negative negative negative negative I'm not tripping Have you thought about transitioning to football? You won't get it tested as much. No, baseball. It's guaranteed money. Fred, you ain't played basketball in 20 years. You ain't finna hit no pitch. I've been playing. Yo, I can play. Fred, what position you gonna play, Fred?
27:47Shannon Sharpe:Center field. You know they hitting center field, right? Yeah. You gotta come to the plate. Yo, you know my speed? I know how to catch. Hey, I know you're here somewhere in this county where I'm at. You can come check me out. Hold on. You can hit the ball? Yes, I can hit the ball. You in Miami now? No, I'm not in Miami. I'm talking to Unc. I was going to say let go to the Baton Cage. This weekend. Oh, you going to be here? Yeah. Oh, you know, I was a 5 '2". Like, you know, they were trying to draft you. Yo, you said you good at everything. No, I promise. I promise. I know the Marlins tried to draft me in 97 out of high school.
28:25Y 'all Florida guys, y 'all got to stop. No, for real. Fred, that's like when I beat you when we was out there training. Like you was like, oh, my God.
28:34Shannon Sharpe:I know one of the greatest runners in America here. I know you ain't let this man come off the street and beat you, Fred. I did. Yo, you talk about Ocho. Hey, he thinks he good at everything. You thought he was about to get a soccer ticket too. Look at him. You think he's good at everything, man. Fred, be honest. I'm right here. I didn't beat you when we ran 250s. I ain't never done no 250 in training in years. So what are you talking about? What we was doing that day? What were we doing? I did what? 150? We were doing something? What were we doing? I ran it with you. I don't know. What were we doing?
29:06Whatever it was, I blew by your ass. I know that. I just want to know what we're doing. I can't remember. Hey, we can line it up this weekend. Oh, hey, I got my camera ready. Well, bring your camera out. I've been training. I don't know. You've been training? Hey, you just, I train every day. Yeah, you probably be like your glasses wopsided when I get done with you. Okay. Okay. Keep that same energy. Matter of fact, I feel so good. I give you five meters. Huh? Huh? If you can hunt. Which I'm running. I give you 99 meters and we going 100 meters.
29:41Shannon Sharpe:What you running on, Joe? You want him at a 40? You want 40, 60, 100, 200, 400? You know what? I don't want to handicap him. I want to give him a chance to actually try to catch up. So we'll go 80 meters. 80 meters, how much? The first six that you done, you ain't no chance. You can't even beat T.O. Hey, that's my dog. That's my dog. You can't even beat T.O. That's my dog. But listen, I'm a different horse. I'm a different thoroughbred. I beat you. You are a world-class athlete. You're a world-class sprinter, and I smoked you. and I'm just being honest in front of the people. The world needs to know.
30:23I wouldn't throw it up if you didn't say that. The world needs to know that you're the biggest cap in the history of sports. I ain't even got no – I got a cap right here. That's about it.
30:35Shannon Sharpe:Fred, we're going to get you out of here on this one. Handicap to 200 for us. You got – hey, you got Noah. The Jamaican ran really good today. He broke it down, but he looked really good. And then you got, obviously you got Tobogo. You got Kenny Benaret. How you see the podium? Hmm. The podium. I feel like Noah's going to take it. Tobogo second. And Jamaican third. Wow. Wow. But I believe somebody's injured in three of them. So I don't know. Three of them look injured. but hey you never know so you could tell you could tell the engine by just by watching yeah i'm an athlete i'm a i'm like a track athlete so you can tell like you can tell people uh forcing their runs and stuff too right right ah so yeah so those are four people gonna be on the podium regardless but you never know right right so you think you think and you think Noah's going to take it because I feel like he got something to prove because of what happened last year.
31:49But you never know. Tobago a sneaky mother...
31:56Shannon Sharpe:Man, Noah came out with the shorts today. I don't think I've ever seen Noah running shorts. Noah normally runs in the singlet. Noah would be running the shorts, but I feel like he got something to prove. I feel like we're going to see some nasty stuff in Tokyo in a couple of hours. Wow. So you think he's still seething from losing that 200 in the Olympics, getting the bronze, because he really wants to go. I mean, the gold medal, I think the gold. But like you said, the 200 is his baby. And he has yet to get the medal. He's standing atop of the podium at the Olympics. And so he's like coming back.
32:32Shannon Sharpe:Look here. He's got something to prove. He's got something to prove. And definitely in the deuce. I feel like he's got something to prove. and I feel like he going to show the world what Noah's always been Noah. So I feel like he got something to prove in it too, but Tabogo always sneaky. He probably faking like he got injured and just show up.
32:55Shannon Sharpe:What kind of time do you think you're looking at? I mean, he ran 1951, which was the world lead. I feel like they're going to be between 1903 and 1907. Wow. I feel like it's going to be something fast. Wow. Wow. It's going to be something fast. And I won't be surprised 19-2, but I feel like 19-3 to 19-7, those are going to be the winning times. You think they're in that kind of condition? I feel like, hey, that's his last race of the year. He did what he got to do, and some of them probably jogged some of the races. I feel like history always be determined when championship come. The real dog come at championship, and no approval over the years.
33:39He always show up. So he probably going to show up.
33:42Shannon Sharpe:How do you like the women? Sharika Jackson looked good. She ran$21.99. You got MJ, Melissa Jefferson, a wooden. I feel like Melissa going to win the$200. She didn't get out. Hey, she set some people up this year. She definitely did. I can't, like, my one is, like, that's her. You know what I'm saying? the other two Sharika will probably be on the podium and the third I don't know about the third because it's all over the place because you know we got some faces that fight just to run some of them times in the semifinal right alright Fred thanks for joining us tonight we wish you the best of luck in your appeal of the suspension whatever your endeavors are we wish you the best of luck man stay healthy and come back and join us soon yes sir appreciate it appreciate you bro when you're moving like I do trips don't always come together weeks in advance.
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38:30Shannon Sharpe:After nearly two decades, 19 years, Sonia Richards-Ross held the American record in the 400 meters at a time of 48-70. On the exact same day, 19 years later, Sidney McLaughlin took it down. In the semifinals of the World Track and Field Championship, McLaughlin clocked 48-29. I think that's off-ashes the seventh fastest time in history, not the 11th, but it is the fastest time by an American. She took.41 seconds off the American record. Sid said she was shocked at the performance, saying she wasn't expecting that. That's a blistering time, and she backed it down at the end. Yeah. Maybe I'm the only one to lie that remember when Matarina Koch set the world record of 47.60.
39:20Shannon Sharpe:There have only been two women that's ever cracked sub-48. Kratilova, who's an 800-meter runner, Ocho, she ran 48.90 she ran 47.99 and then Coke ended up running 47.60 and if I'm not mistaken I think she ran it from lane 2 now Nasser has been down there I think she's 48.11 I think Paulino who's actually in this race I think she's run like 48.17 Marie Jose Perret the French lady she's back to back Olympic champ she also won the 200 in Atlanta she won the 4 and the 2 I'm trying to think who else has been a low time they had this Russian Brezina she ran on the 88 team I think she was the one that held Flo Jo off if I'm not mistaken Ocho my memory serves me correct they've been a few Kathy Freeman they've been some great 400 meter runners Valerie Briscoe, Kathy Freeman uh perek nasser polino coke kratilova but sydney mclaughlin and she said something very interesting she said look let somebody go up under 48 before we start talking about 47 60 because i don't think i don't think understand what people understand just how fast that is for a woman that's booking you literally she's gonna they're gonna you're gonna probably have to go out in 22 seconds.
40:52Shannon Sharpe:And hold it. And come home in 25, 25, 5. Let that sink in. Because normally they're going out in 23 and try to come home in 25. She's going to have to go out in 22 and come home in 25 and a half. She's got the people in the race that can push her. Nasser takes the pace out. Paulino liked the track. She played with fire there and almost didn't make it, but we'll see what her look. Sydney's fitness is impeccable. I believe it's going to take low 48, 48 0, or they might have to dip under 48 in order for it to win this gold medal. Yeah. When is that race? Well, I think it's today already over there.
41:40Shannon Sharpe:Well, today, well, it'll be tomorrow for us, because I think they're a day ahead of us. Yeah. So it'll be Friday for them. So, yeah. I mean, Sid, man, and she told Louis she wasn't expecting that. Because, you know, normally, Ocho, I'm doing just enough to win, to qualify, get the third lane. And then now in the finals, I can drop the hammer. But to run 48-29 and take 41.41 off the American record, she was cruising she was cruising and see this is why Fimke the Dutch runner can't beat in the hurdles she ain't got the foot speed she ain't got the foot speed right I mean what you gonna do what were you gonna do with someone that can run 48 seconds I mean it's gonna be very impressive if she abandoned the hurdles and sets her sights in 28 in the over four?
42:52Shannon Sharpe:And she get the world record in the four and the hurdles? Yeah. Lord. Because I didn't think in my lifetime I would see somebody get this record. This record's 40 years old. I felt that nobody's come close. There's only been two women in the history that's ever run sub 48. and nobody's come close like NASA ran 48-11 but she got popped right so like uh Perret when she ran the French runner when she doubled 400 there ain't been a whole lot of women double up I think Shawnee Miller Weibo I think she doubled up also but Ocho that's booking that is booking. Very. And I think people really don't understand how fast it is.
43:50And in reference to you saying booking, unless you watch track, unless you know track. Or you ran track and realized how hard
43:57Shannon Sharpe:it is to run, how hard it is to run a 52nd lap unless that's a sp... To run 49? To run 48 for a woman? Yeah. And then we talk about 47. if seeing it if seeing it break this world record that record might be like both you might have to go three, four, five about three generations before you see somebody break that record before somebody break it again because I think that's what's going to happen with both because we haven't seen anybody come close the closest anybody's ever come was Tyson Gay and Johan Blake at 968 he's at 958 hey for a boat was moving in that race. I still believe, Ocho, had he not celebrated Beijing.
44:48Right.
44:49Shannon Sharpe:Hitting the chest. He's low 950. He might even go sub 950. Ooh. He broke the moment. Guys, he's light years in front of everybody. I just wish, but he was so happy to understand the moment. I just wish he had ran through the tape. I just wish he'd ran through the tape because that tie would have never been broken. Nobody's ever, you're going to have to be on a motorcycle or have a hurricane behind you. That's the one or two things, you're on a motorcycle or you got a hurricane behind you. One or two. But Sid, she's in phenomenal shape. And I think it's going to take a special time. I think it's going to be 48-0 or sub.
45:35Shannon Sharpe:I think the world record's safe. Me personally, I think the world record is safe. but I do think 48-0 or maybe a tick under 48 is doable I think it's doable and then I think over the next could she possibly double they're going to have to set the schedule like they did for Michael Johnson Valerie Briscoe I forgot about Valerie Briscoe I forgot she was a great she was the first person to pull the double the 4-2 and she did it in 84 so we've had Shonda Cheeseboro we've had some great runners in the 400 hold on we got a great 400 runner right now in the family oh your daughter yeah I hope you watching you see what Sid doing she had you know oh your daughter run for Kentucky too yeah yeah she up there Yeah, she had been in Kentucky, yeah.
46:39Yeah.
46:40Shannon Sharpe:She better be watching too. Well, I think the head coach, when Sid went with Edric Floral, I think he's at University of Texas now. Oh, he left? I think so. I think. If I'm not mistaken, I think he's at UT now. But Sid's booking. Ash, it's the seventh fastest, not the 11th fastest, correct?
47:03Shannon Sharpe:It's the 11th fastest?
47:09nah
47:11Shannon Sharpe:I'm going to disagree because 4760, 4799 4814, 4817 4825 4827 and Sidney McLaughlin number 7 at 4829 so I don't know where they get this from the 11th fastest time is by Kathy Freeman 4863 at the Olympics in Atlanta so we're going to disagree with USA Today or USA Track and Field yeah I would disagree hold on they say it's the 11th fastest time in history how
48:00Shannon Sharpe:pull it up pull it up Ash right quick Google it because something ain't adding up. I hope they ain't threw men in there.
48:15Shannon Sharpe:Oh, oh, oh, okay. So what they're doing, if she ran more than one time under the time, under SIS time, they're counting that. Okay, okay. So I was just,
48:29Shannon Sharpe:wow. Yeah, but look, I'm going to leave that alone because we know the system that the East Germans and the old Soviet had in place. But let's leave that alone. Hey, she ran the time. It got ratified. Hey, we'll leave that alone, don't you?
48:51Shannon Sharpe:Okay, okay. The 11th fastest time, the 7th fastest person because Koch ran two, she ran 48.16 twice and she ran 48.22. So she got four of the top fans seven times in the country. Gold medal in the 110-meter hurdles. Grant Holloway's tried to four-peat Ocho has come to an end. Cordell Tench. Who did I say, MJ? Who did I tell? I got Cordell Tench. Ran 1299. Orlando Bennett, Jamaica, 1308. Tyler Mason, Jamaica, 1312. Richard, the Japanese runner, ran 13-18. Jacoby Tharp ran 13-31. So it stays in the house. It ain't the same person, but it's in the USA. Hold on. Flamingo, what place he came in? He didn't make it to the finals.
49:50Shannon Sharpe:It's been a rough year. I don't know if he's injured. I don't know what he's dealing with, but he didn't make the finals.
49:58Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, he was a three-time world champ. three consecutive times and he'll make the finals. Damn. And the 1500 meters, Isaac Nader, Portugal, 334.10. Jake Reitman, Great Britain, 334.12. Reynolds Chariot, Kenya, 334.25. Timothy Chariot, Kenya, 334.50. Neil Larios, the Netherlands, 334.52. Robert Barkin, Germany, 335. uh josh kerr was dealing inger britson um i don't know what happened to him but he didn't make it uh cole hawker got disqualified for jostling and and josh kerr the reigning world champ he dealt with a foot he's dealing with a calf injury or something he finished 14th and he didn't make it to the finals uh men's long jump the girl the goal went to for alani of italy 839 meters beat Carl Lewis at the record as the youngest long jump world champion history Ty J Gale Jamaica 834 China 833 so damn and the pole vault Mondo Duplantis a new world record Ocho 6 meters 30 he breaks the world he breaks the world record for the 14th time hey that's crazy because you know I used to pole vault national Yeah.
51:28Damn.
51:29Shannon Sharpe:Manolo. What was the record? Six thirty meters. That's over 20 feet. OK. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I did. By 17 feet. Where am I doing? Yeah. The former world record holder. Rene a lava. Lenny was in last place. He was in eighth place at five meters. Seventy five. He's the former world record holder. And Sam Kendricks of the U.S., 595, finished just, just, just off the podium. Dang. I remember them days, boy. I was scared of the podium. And the shot put, Ryan Krauser, in his first meet, he's been dealing with an elbow injury this entire season, but he came in, and when he needed to be great, he was. 22 meters, 34.
52:15Shannon Sharpe:Goal. Munez, Mexico, 21.97. Silver, Leonardo Fabri, Italy, 21.94. Tom Walsh of the Netherlands. Excuse me, New Zealand, excuse me. He was 21.94.
52:36Shannon Sharpe:But it's unbelievable what Krause was able to do. I mean, just think about Ocho. The first time he threw the shot in competition was at the World Championship. Yeah. and he uncorks one 20 22 meters and 34 on his fifth throw the greatest shot putter uh uh in the history uh he won three consecutive world championships he's won three consecutive gold medals obviously he's getting good gear up uh probably i don't know what how about you do they only got the usa's next year and then they got the world championships in 27 and then you got the uh the uh the olympics in 28 he's relocating his wife's a doctor uh he's moving to nashville i I think she got a job at Vanderbilt.
53:15Shannon Sharpe:I think they're relocating from Texas. Oregon, yes. They didn't force you when you was in high school to run track? Yeah, I ran track. So you didn't do the field events? I did. I was a triple jumper, long jump through the discus. Okay, I did shot put and I did pole bow. I ran four by one, four by four, 100, 200. I ran the 1500. Yeah, I won the, I'm a three-time state champ in the triple jump. I won the best performance trophy, the farthest jump in the state meet my senior year. I won the high point trophy, the most points accumulated in the state track meet in my classification, my junior year.
53:57Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I ran track, Coach. I was pretty good. Got recruited by a lot of schools.
54:05I still got my technique, too.
54:07Shannon Sharpe:Nah, your legs too close together. No, my furniture white. I can't kick my furniture, man. But congratulations to all the winners, Ryan Krause of gold medal. Yes. And Cordell Tinch. Unbelievable. We keep the gold here. We go keep that gold medal here. I'm U.S. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy. We all seem to be in a rush these days, from work to driving our kids around. But when you're behind the wheel, please do not speed. A few minutes saved by going faster is never worth the risk. So follow the speed limit. Enjoy the drive. Maybe bring some snacks for the kids. And know that along the way, you're getting quality time with your family.
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Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the biggest moments from the World Athletics Championships in Tokyo! Unc & Ocho sit down with 100m World Champion Melissa Jefferson-Wooden and Olympic medalist Fred Kerley, plus react to Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone’s historic 400m record-breaking performance.
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28:03 - Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone sets American record
38:49 - Cordell Tinch wins 100M Hurdles
39:46 - Isaac Nader wins 1500M
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