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13:17Joe Johnson:Yeah. See, you're not understanding. The woman that I'm marrying is going to understand even though I put the ring on your finger and even though we've made that vow before God, you understand in that situation that my mama is still going in the front.

13:33Shannon Sharpe:You just said as a man of the cloth, the Bible teaches us. You're not listening to me. You hear me, but you're not listening. I'm listening to what you said. Joe, hold on. Listen to me. Joe, what did he say? He said she basically going to have to get in the bank regardless. His mama going to come first. Thank you. But he said that's not my wife. That's seasonal. But if I had a wife, it doesn't matter. She would have an understanding to anyway,

14:02Joe Johnson:let my mama go in the front anyway, whether we married or not.

14:05Shannon Sharpe:I thought you said nobody comes in front of your wife. She would understand. How is she understanding? Why does she have to understand? Why your mom can't understand?

14:17Joe Johnson:The same way that she understands why I put a ring on her finger. Because she understands certain things even though we're married now. What are you talking about? Well, that's not what the Bible teaches us. The Bible? That's what you said. You're a man of the closet. Stay with me real quick now. Don't do that. Don't do that. Who following all 10 commandments? So don't mention the Bible. You're not a man of the closet. Don't do that. You're not a man of the closet.

14:38Shannon Sharpe:And I'm okay with that.

14:44Shannon Sharpe:That's bad here, champ. Y 'all see what I go through? Y 'all see what I go through in this man here? But no, like I said, me, in the relationship that I've had, my mom is never, my mom is always just getting in the back. Because my mom is going to be, hey, my mom is always going to be ready. She already in the truck. By the time I get downstairs and get in the vehicle, my mom is asking, what we drive, what we going in? We're going in the truck. My mom already sitting in the back seat. Yeah. yeah that's mine she done got in turned the car on got the air conditioning running she in the back yeah even if even if one of my girlfriends would try to get in the back she's like nah get up there in the front yeah hell you sitting back here for yeah that's hey to each his own I mean look there's gonna be varying opinions it uh it sound like it sound like Hurricane Paula ain't play no game this shit old joke

15:43Joe Johnson:I tell you one thing it wouldn't have to be with my mama. I don't care who I'm with. Your ass going in the back regardless. Although you put your girl in the back in front of the kid, the kid's going in the front. The kid. Oh, no, the kid's always going in the back. They look badass. They always touch the AC, they touching the radio. I'm finna say, you

16:03Shannon Sharpe:showing out. You showing out.

16:07Joe Johnson:Hey, I got one right here. Man, look at this one. Let me see something. Hold on.

16:14where she at you can see you see her she's on that couch yeah on on the little on my little bed when i be that free for lay down and you be taking a little nap right there

16:26Joe Johnson:yeah how you know yeah so i i lay i lay down there on the couch a little a little fold up little uh little sofa bed it on the floor and i watch tv right above my head No.

16:38Shannon Sharpe:But like I said, I mean, it's just like, I don't know. I guess it's just like, I don't know, my grandmother, like my grandmother never learned how to drive. So it wasn't enough for her. She get in the back quick. I'm like, I ain't no taxi, granny, get in the front. My grandma be moving. You know, them old people go jump straight in the back, Joe. They don't want to ride the front seat. They get in the back seat. I'm like, granny, get in the front seat. Hey, my grandma, she loved to drive, boy. She couldn't wait to get out and about. She couldn't help. She never stayed in the house. I'm going to keep it real.

17:12Shannon Sharpe:She stayed on the go. My grandma said, and telling you how to drive. You put your blink on? Granny, you ain't got to. What you mean I put my blink on? How fast you going? Yeah, right. Slow this thing down. Yeah. I was like, I'm about to put you out. I ain't going to get out. I was like, you up here trying to tell me how to drive. I said, Grady, you ain't never drove anything.

17:36Joe Johnson:Hey, it's a... I see people all in the chat, right? What did he say about? A few people all in the chat talking about, oh, you dead wrong. And so for anybody that's already been in this situation, has had a situation like this, where they felt the woman, whoever they're seeing at the time, goes in the front, right? If the situation happened to you before, in general, everybody that's talking trash, I guarantee you not with that woman no more. I bet you not. Is God saying that? or it's women saying that? I mean, ain't no telling. Probably women, probably guys. Either way it goes. I bet they not with the man no more.

18:08Joe Johnson:You know? Hey, come on, man. Please.

18:13Shannon Sharpe:Look here. We different. I mean, look, it's okay. I mean, Joe and I see sometimes, Ocho and I see stuff one way, Joe see it another. Sometimes Joe and I see things one way, Ocho sees it another. Sometimes Ocho and Joe see something one way, and I see it another. It is what it is. Because, I mean, to get unanimity on an issue like this is probably not going to happen. I think the background, how we were raised, and the environment that we were in, I think it kind of creates how we view things, the prism in which we view things now. And it's okay.

18:49Joe Johnson:I tell you what. I tell you what. If anybody, if Cambodia wanted to sit in the front seat right now, she can. You know why? Yeah, we know why. Your mama's not. Because my mama.

19:03Joe Johnson:unless my mama come down unless my mama come down from heaven and say baby I'm finna ride with y 'all she gonna be in the front

19:11Shannon Sharpe:damn boy well if Grana came down you best believe everybody getting in the back ain't gonna be nobody with her or not as a matter of fact if Grana came down hell I might not be in the trunk cause I'm gonna be scared but damn self she might be in the trunk by herself

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23:41Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, Lamar Jackson said he's planning to play Sunday against the Steelers at the regular season finale. Lamar told the reporters, 100%, I'm going to be out there. While he missed Saturday's victory over Green Bay with a back contusion, he's been a field participant in practice Wednesday and Thursday. Lamar added he's planning to wear some protective padding for the back Sunday's game. Lamar also addressed some of the skepticism about his ability to play through pain. I've never quit on my team before. I've never quit on anything, to be honest with you. I don't know where the noise came from. Ocho, is this a defining moment for Lamar's legacy?

24:19Joe Johnson:Oh, defining moment? No, absolutely not. I wouldn't call it a defining moment. Obviously, legacy, it takes time to continue to build. They're going to be ups and downs when it comes to creating that said legacy that we're talking about. For Lamar Jackson, he has a very long way to go. He has a very, very long way to go. I don't like, obviously, when it comes to some of the great players, especially at the quarterback position. You're going to have times like this where there are rumblings, where you have certain people saying certain things, but you really don't understand what it is they're saying and why it's coming about you.

24:51Joe Johnson:You think about Lamar Jackson, he don't say much. Nope. He don't say much. He don't talk much. So it's hard to be able to text some of the things and say some things that are coming out about him unless you're internally and inside that building, which is weird to me, which is why I said what I said when a certain beat reporter, whether it's a beat reporter for them or whether it's a beat reporter in Baltimore in general. Yeah, Mike Preston.

25:14Shannon Sharpe:I think Mike Preston, is he a Beat or columnist? Because I think Mike Preston, I think he was a beat reporter when I was there. He might be a columnist now, but he – Okay.

25:27Joe Johnson:Yeah, I think if I'm not mistaken, I'm not sure if they're calling Calhurd. Did Cal Heard have some things he might have said earlier in the week? Oh, I didn't hear.

25:38Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Joe, I don't.

25:39Joe Johnson:Yeah, listen, I might be wrong. They're quoting me of some things that only someone internally would know, and I could be wrong about that. But again, listen, this happens. This happens. I think Lamar is going to be fine. The rumblings, like I say it all the time, you know how this business works. You know how this business works. where there's smoke, there's fire. A little bit. Always. There's always a little bit of truth, you know? So he's going to be fine, whether it's in Baltimore or whether it's somewhere else. Because we know, you and I both know, what another team is getting. Yeah, for sure.

26:18Joe Johnson:You know what he can bring to the table. You know, he's going to bring the table and he's going to bring some motherfucking legs with him.

26:24Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I don't think he's leaving Baltimore. Not no 29-year-old quarterback that's a two-time league MVP. You ain't getting rid of that. Look, and see what happens, Ocho. I don't know if you've ever been nicked and had to leave a game, but I've been nicked and left the game. Right. But, and then the next week I was able to play. There are certain things that happen that you're not able to go back in. You're not able to finish the game. It's okay. It's happened. Lamar Jackson is not the first quarterback that's been knocked out of a game and hasn't been able to go back in. It happens. I don't know.

27:00Shannon Sharpe:Look, if you're going to say that he hadn't played up to the Lamar Jackson that we're used to seeing this year, I will concede that. But for you to question how hurt he is, what has he ever done to lead you or make you want to question whether or not he's hurt? Everybody have varying levels of pain tolerance. Pain tolerance, yes. And people are like, well, shoot. Look, by the time that he shot it up, it's going to take 30 minutes to 40 minutes for the medicine to get in there. The game's over. And he might not be a guy that wants to shoot up. Everybody ain't like me. I'm shooting up and I'm trying to go next week or whatever.

27:40Shannon Sharpe:That's me. Right. But I don't look at somebody because I did something and think they automatically should do something. I've never been like that. Right. I worry about me. That's all I can worry about. That's really all I'm responsible for was me. Right. So I don't, and I agree with Lamar. I don't know what he's done to make you question whether or not he's been hurt. Like, oh, he ain't really hurt with little old back. Well, I've been hitting the back before. It hurt. Oh, just like Ty Simpson. Oh, Joe, you see how Ty Simpson, when he coughed that ball up, I got hit in the back just like that in Kansas City.

28:18Shannon Sharpe:And I coughed that mofo up too.

28:20Joe Johnson:Right up. Take it. And the funny thing about it, the people that have never played sports or play anything competitive, you'd have to understand if you get kneed in the back in a certain area, in a soft tissue area, and you get a goddamn back contusion until you felt that, until you felt that goddamn blood harden up and it's stiffened up in that certain area and you can't move and you can't bend, you'll never understand. You'll never understand. So, I mean, listen, I had a contusion right on my thigh. Someone kneed me on my thigh. And it got to the point, where the contusion was so bad where I couldn't bend my leg.

28:59Joe Johnson:Yeah. I couldn't bend my leg. That blood settled? Bingo. I mean, so I can understand. That back area? Oh, my goodness. I could just imagine what young bull was going through.

29:11Shannon Sharpe:Look, my thing is, and I've been abundantly clear, y 'all be honest. Has Lamar Jackson looked this year like he did last year and the previous years? Yes or no? be honest

29:25Joe Johnson:no because the numbers are not the same as they were last year that's all I'm saying he was 41 and 5 last year

29:32Shannon Sharpe:thank you or take the MVP even if you take the seasons he got hurt a couple of times I think 2021 he missed 4 games missed 5 games each year so that's 10 games but if you go back and look at the season that he's won the MVP and last year he could have won Chad don't do that because I'm saying he doesn't look the same this year as he has in years past. Right. That's not hating. That is factual. How many touchdowns has he passed for this year? How many interceptions does he have? So when you look at it, if you just look at it objectively, I get it. That's your guy. You're supposed to ride for your guy.

30:12Shannon Sharpe:But deep down, and if you want to say, Shannon, you hate it, but deep down inside, deep down inside, you know, man, and Lamar ain't played like the action Jackson I know. Right, right, right. That's it. You can be honest. I was honest when I said it about Patrick Mahomes. Who the heck? I called him a homeboy. State Farm didn't want to give me no credit. They called him a homie. Ain't nobody ever called that man a homie or a homeboy before I said it. They called him Patrick Mahomes. I said last year and this year, Patrick Mahomes doesn't look the same. And y 'all look at it because he went to the Super Bowl.

30:51Shannon Sharpe:But still, you got to peel the layers away. It's okay. Yeah, the numbers aren't the same. I got no dog. Look, I want the Ravens to win. Outside of the Broncos, the Ravens, I root for the Ravens. Obviously. But at the end of the day, I still got to be honest. And when the Broncos don't play well, oh, y 'all forget that though. But I get it. You know what? You more hard on black quarterbacks. I don't know. I got into a very heated discussion with my partner on television. What color was that quarterback, Ocho? Yeah, he was white. So y 'all missed that part where me and Skip got into it about Brady.

31:34Shannon Sharpe:Or when I was on Romo. Y 'all missed that part hard. What about Cousins? Baker Mayfield. Did y 'all forget about how we went for eight, nine straight weeks until the man got traded, even when he got to Carolina? I was still on Baker's neck. What were y 'all doing? Yeah.

31:51Joe Johnson:Hey, one thing I can say about you, boy. It don't matter who it is. Black, white, yellow, green, Skittles. It don't matter what it is. Boy, you fair. If you're playing bad, you're going to say they're playing bad. That's all I'm saying.

32:06Shannon Sharpe:If they're playing good, you're going to say they're playing good. I'm going to say that. I don't try. And people see a lot of times, Ocho, what people try to do. If I say, man, Ocho didn't play good. I'm trying to take away your Pro Bowls I'm trying to take away your All-Pro No, you did that, that's going to be on your resume I'm talking about right now I'm talking about right now I stayed on Romo When Brady didn't play good, I was on Brady When Baker didn't play good, I was on Baker When Peyton Manning didn't play good, I was on Peyton When he was losing no playoff game But y 'all don't remember that

32:43Joe Johnson:they might be too young to remember that

32:45Shannon Sharpe:they remember when I was on break hold on they ain't too young to remember what just happened two years ago they remember they choose not they just try to wear this nah nah bro when Mahomes wasn't playing well this year and last year where did he end up two things can be true you can end up at a destination and still not be playing well. It happens all the time. But there's no... I'm saying, Lamar doesn't look the same to me. When he came, he wasn't playing well before, not like the Lamar we used to seeing. And then when he got nicked and came back, he wasn't the same. Even his mom said in the play...

33:33Shannon Sharpe:Leading up to the playoffs, he should have run more. But when I said it, I'm hating. His mom told him.

33:40Joe Johnson:Yeah. Hey, baby, do what you do best now. Do what you do best.

33:48Shannon Sharpe:No goalposts moving. His coordinator said this is the first time if he practiced tomorrow, he will have practiced Wednesday, Thursday, Friday since week 10. Normally, Ocho, when you're healthy, you practice, right? Practice, yeah, especially the quarterback. especially the quarterback. Because his is all about timing. It's all about timing. Right.

34:18Shannon Sharpe:Man, y 'all need to y 'all need y 'all gotta y 'all gotta y 'all gotta stop making everything. So, I guess when I don't know I need to see I need to see Orlowski No, I can't he the wrong guy to ask because he's gonna support every quarterback. But I need some of these I need some of these white guys to do what we do. when they criticize a white quarterback, I wonder if the white people come in their chat and come on their DM and say you hate him. Because I want to see. I got to see. Because I know that's what we do. Yeah.

34:51Shannon Sharpe:I got to see. I just want to see Ochoa. I just want to see for a date. God damn it. What happened?

34:58Joe Johnson:God damn light went out, man.

35:02Shannon Sharpe:Oh, I just thought you was dark skin.

35:04Joe Johnson:Nah, man, that's not funny, man. Like, ain't nothing going right with this shit today. My camera, hey, you ain't noticed my camera was just clear not too long ago, huh? You look insane. No, earlier. You ain't notice it?

35:18Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I did notice it, Ocho. I'm sorry.

35:20Joe Johnson:Okay, okay. Yeah, I got a new camera. I got a Sony A7, a new Sony A7. Then I got the new Type-C, what you call it, Type-C? I don't understand all this shit. But I had Dean, Dean, a friend of mine, Ash, no Dean. Hey, matter of fact, Ash, thank you, Ash, because you allowed me to meet Dean. He helped me change my whole goddamn setup, so I'm going to be professional. Like, give me about two more weeks. Hey, I'm going to have my own team. It's just going to be two people, though.

36:00Joe Johnson:Yeah, I'm going to have my own team. I'm excited. That would be awesome.

36:04Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Look, this would be huge for Lamar. They've been down. They haven't been in first place in the division. And now all of a sudden, to come back and win the division, he missed the game. And that's what your quarterback's supposed to do. What are the backup supposed to do? Keep you afloat until the starter comes back. We saw Matt Jones do it for San Francisco. Keep him afloat until the starter gets back. Boom. Now you're in position. Okay, Lamar. Winner take all. You got a former MVP. You got two former MVPs locked up. Last game of the season. Win or take off. Yeah.

36:43Joe Johnson:Hey, this is going to be a good thing. And as a matter of fact, all the rumblings and all the noise, it's going to quiet everybody. It is. Especially with the way the Ravens started the season. OFA with a donut. Yeah. And they come out on the back end. You know, listen, this is not a sprint. It's a marathon. It ain't how you start. It's how you finish. So if they finish with the win and make the playoffs and win the AFC North, well, guess who we're going to get the credit? The same one they've been talking about. Yes.

37:12Shannon Sharpe:So honestly, I hope I— Look, he's going to have to play well because the defense, they don't rush the quarterback. Right. The last guy that you want to have is somebody as accurate as Aaron Rodgers that you can't get pressure on him. Oh, yeah.

37:27Joe Johnson:That's the problem. But you know what the good thing is for the Raven defense is even if you don't rush Aaron Rodgers, who the hell finna get open and catch the ball? Brother Darnell Washington is out. He hurts. His arm is broken. DK is out. I mean, where's my offense? Calvin Austin probably is going to be out again.

37:45Shannon Sharpe:So you ain't got nobody but Gainwell, Frymouth, MVS, Valdez-Scantlin, Adam Thielen.

37:55Joe Johnson:Okay. So now where's my offensive production going to come from? Where my big play, big play is going to, my chunk plays. You mean to tell me I have to drive the ball all the way down the field, 75, 80 yards every time?

38:07Shannon Sharpe:It's going to be perfect because who your playmakers back there on the back end? I don't know if you noticed, but you see how they be giving up yards, that Raven secondary? Oh, yeah. So, hey, whoever number two on, you getting the ball.

38:25Joe Johnson:Nate Wiggins had a bad game he had a bad season two games he had a bad season it was that bad all season I don't really watch the Ravens ask the Ravens fans what they think hey Ravens fans if y 'all in the chat Nate Wiggins it was that bad this year huh was it that bad this year talk to me talk to me nice too now

38:51Shannon Sharpe:yes

38:55uh

39:00Shannon Sharpe:Marlon ain't been the same yeah somebody said I don't know if he broke his hand because you see him had like oh yeah he got the pad

39:07Joe Johnson:he had the pad on there yeah he cast up

39:13Joe Johnson:no some people yeah the chat The chat is kind of conflicted, Unc. Most of them saying Marlon.

39:20Shannon Sharpe:Oh, yeah, Marlon's been bad. The secondary's been bad. What is the Ravens' secondary rank in pass coverage? But a lot of that has contributed to the front. Yeah, not being able to get any pressure. Not being able to get any pressure.

39:31Joe Johnson:Right. They say, Unc, they say, yeah, Nate having a down year, but Marlon is worse.

39:41Shannon Sharpe:Where's the Ravens' secondary? Where they're in pass defense? Because I don't think they got nobody with five sacks.

39:50Joe Johnson:I think the person leading in sacks, he might have six, if I'm not mistaken. Who? The DN. I can't remember his last name. I think he has six.

40:02Shannon Sharpe:They're 30th in pass defense. 30th? There's only 32 teams. God damn. Okay, now that's bad. There are two teams worse than pass defense, and they both of them got seeds, Colts, Cowboys.

40:22Joe Johnson:Hey, I'm glad my Bengals ain't in that. You see that? You see, we moving on up. Y 'all 27.

40:29Shannon Sharpe:I couldn't let you get too happy. You started to celebrate too much.

40:32Joe Johnson:Hey, that don't make it no better.

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44:40Shannon Sharpe:All right, guys. Jalen Brown took the twitch to address the trade. Philly, Boston and Anonymous Sources. We have all four soundbites so we can provide context because we like to provide context. Here's Jalen Brown on Brad Stevens and Boston. message was received. I wasn't thrilled with the amount of respect that was showed during this process. You know, I think there was a bit of a lack of respect. I think it was fine at one point and then out of nowhere things just kind of went left. You know, I think Brad is probably getting a lot of the criticism. I wasn't thrilled the way he facilitated some of the conversations, but I definitely think there's more to it.

45:24chapter is definitely more to it. I just wish that the more to it could have been explained to me. Because if the more to it was explained, I think I would have understood. I thought I earned respect enough to get that explanation. But hey, obviously I was wrong. Hey, but that's life. We move on. One thing I wish in this whole process, you know, and it's good to get it out the way so we can move forward. I wish that my integrity and character haven't been attacked so much during this whole process.

46:09Shannon Sharpe:Here's Jalen Brown on Anonymous Sources. I could stand up for myself, which I've been doing. You know, I feel like that's a narrative that people have been using for a long time to try to attack me and my character. I could rebuttal but what I really want to say to this is we got to stop with the anonymous we got to stop with the anonymous sources chat like I'm tired of these damn anonymous sources like anonymous executive anonymous source Colin Coward Bobby Marks Stephen A. Smith anonymous sources is saying anything I think y 'all are the sources and if not y 'all shouldn't even say it if it's something that's this ridiculous but we got to stop Like at one point is, I mean, this is a part of the reason why I started streaming in the first place, because they use anonymous sources to hide behind how they actually feel or to hide behind things that could be controversial or to hide behind things that are, you know, are examples of bigotry.

47:06So this is an example of one, but this is not the first time Stephen A. Smith said the same thing a couple of years ago. he was like it's not me it's this is our anonymous source and bobby mark said the same it's not me it's my anonymous stories colin coward said the same thing it's not me it's my anonymous source but they don't see how much damage that can do and now i gotta answer questions to like my character and being a child this is my life keep it basketball nobody has a problem people think i have a problem with people critiquing my performance critique my performance It's all you want.

47:42But the line gets crossed. And then they want to act like the line doesn't get crossed. The line is being crossed here.

47:52Shannon Sharpe:All right, let's take, before we go any further, let's take the first one where he says, with the Brad Stevens situation, he thought he had earned and played well enough to get a respect and be offered an explanation. I got a simple explanation. that we're not going to play two guys to the end of their contracts, $300 million a piece. They value Jason Tatum more than they value you. Joe, it's really that simple. It is. It's really that simple, Ocho, because guess what? If you got two guys that's making$300 million on a contract, and they're one year apart, and they both play well, what are they expecting in their next contract?

48:30Shannon Sharpe:$400 million. So you want me to have$800 million tied up in two guys? It was never going to happen. Yeah. The fact of the matter is that the Boston Celtics always view Jason Tatum more favorable. They felt that he was the better player. And like he said, and we're going to get to this, Jason Tatum is right here. Jason Tatum color between the lines. Jalen Brown. Hey, listen. Hey, I told you. Go ahead, Joe. Man, hey, listen. I love JB, bro. Like, I was once his teammate, Uncle Ocho, for a very, very short period of time. I did a 10-day with Boston. This was his last part of my career. And I got to know JB pretty well.

49:20Shannon Sharpe:I think he articulates himself very well. You know what I mean? I think he's a hell of a player, and I wish him nothing but luck and the best in Philly. But this is why I asked y 'all the other day. I'm like, man, they're going to have a problem with guys podcasting. Because now we get to hear everything that's going on with inside of Boston and how they really feel about JB. But we get to feel his thoughts to where, you know what I'm saying, his point of view to where he can kind of relay it to us or convey it to us in a way to where we can kind of understand. Man, this man ain't crazy, bro. You know, he understands, you know, the talent that he has.

50:01Shannon Sharpe:and man, he's very articulate when he's on this, when he's on this stream and people really pay attention. Hey, he's making a difference, bro. He's making a difference. I think it's going to be hard, though, to continue to let guys, everybody have a voice like this.

50:15Joe Johnson:Well, you have to understand also, Uncle Joe, certain players can have a voice. You got to be that boy to be able to do what Jalen Brown is doing. You can't just be anybody and not showing up on the court on Sunday, Monday, or wherever you play and then have something to say on a goddamn podcast. Honestly, you really don't have nothing to talk about. And because Jalen Brown is so good, and the fact that he has a voice, and they can't control the narrative, they don't like that. You know what? We don't like this. We have a player that is really good that gets paid a lot of money, and we can't control him.

50:48Joe Johnson:We can't control him. So it's not a safe space for them. That makes them uncomfortable, the Boston Celtics. That's why they're choosing JT instead of JB, because he's safer. We're much more comfortable having him on our team as opposed to Jalen Brown, because we can't control him. He doesn't play by the game. He don't play by the rules.

51:14Shannon Sharpe:I believe, even if JB colored between the lines, and I'm not saying that he's egregious. He hasn't broken any laws. He's a very thoughtful brother. They're not going to pay two guys$300,$400 million on the same team.

51:32Joe Johnson:Yeah.

51:33Shannon Sharpe:They're just not. You just don't expect for them to give them away for peanuts, though.

51:40Joe Johnson:Yeah, but hold on. And also, if you're not going to pay two dudes$300 million, right? Yes. Now is not the time to break it up. Now? Not now.

51:50Shannon Sharpe:You don't do it now. Now, if you notice, think about this, and you said this, Joe, about the podcast. The more he talked, the more intent Boston was in getting up off it. Think about it. The last month, you started hearing more and more and more and more. Before, it was little whispers, you know, Jalen Brown might be. But as he talked more and more, more and more started coming out on the other side, didn't it? They were trying to send him a message, but he didn't receive it. Oh, no, he's very intelligent. He just didn't give a damn. He didn't give a damn. He didn't care. He didn't see boom boom.

52:28Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. In order to do this, if you're going to do this, like Muhammad Ali said, and I think I said it to you, Joe, when Muhammad Ali was talking about, hey, yeah, I can make a couple of million dollars and keep my mouth shut like somebody else, but there are a million more people. He said it ain't just about making money. It's about using my influence. Yeah, yes. Yeah. For those that don't have a voice. But you have to be willing to say, you know what? I already know what comes along. You got to take the book. There's a great chance that I'm not going to get the advertising and marketing dollars that someone, even in a lesser situation, that's not as good as I am, will get, you have to be okay with that.

53:14Shannon Sharpe:You have to be okay with saying, you know what? Yeah, yeah, you one of them cry freedom brothers. We can't bring you to the Olympics. We're not going to let you do 1968 over us.

53:24Joe Johnson:What you calling what? Cry freedom.

53:29Shannon Sharpe:Joe, listen. I'm telling you how they're thinking. Yes. They're not going to let... First of all, what do you always hear them say? Don't use that platform. Don't use that platform because you got a mega horn. Yes. When you're a professional athlete, and they know so does the individual so when you use that platform it's like nah nah nah hell nah

53:59Joe Johnson:and Joe it's really it's not just the platform right because every athlete has a platform but which athletes are using said platform

54:08Shannon Sharpe:when you got the NBA platform you got the NFL platform that's a whole different level of platform

54:17Joe Johnson:Hold on, but it also depends on who's doing the talking because a lot of people say something and it's going one ear and out the other. But a Jalen Brown saying something, oh, you're getting the attention of everybody. Yes.

54:28Shannon Sharpe:Yes. And that's what, you remember? You remember when people started taking the knee? They're like, you can do that. When people sing in the National Anthem, what do they got the camera doing? They pan it down, see who got that. Because then it started, let's see who's kneeling. less who have their hand over their heart less who have their helmet to the side so now it went away ain't nobody thinking about the National Anthem I'm trying to see who kneeling oh they're going to Ocho kneeling okay TJ kneeling oh man okay but you got to realize this started when Mahmoud off the road yeah when he was at Denver he was in Denver yes hey boy It changed.

55:16Shannon Sharpe:His career was never the same. And he was phenomenal. Wait, what happened? What happened? Hey, you talking about Kyrie with handles and get off that shot? Boy, y 'all better go pull up some YouTube footage. My mood. I'm due. LSU. SEC, baby. I thought he got hurt. Hey, Ocho, he playing. Hey, hold up. Hold up. Ocho, y 'all know when I first joined the Big 3 in 2019. Yeah, he was playing the Big 3. He was playing the Big 3. Still giving guys work at 50, bro. Yeah, he had the great beard and all. That joke, man, that joke quicker than a cat on a marble table, Joe. Hey, everything you see, Kyrie, I'm talking about that ta-ta, ta-ta, ta-ta, ta-ta, and get a shot up.

55:55Shannon Sharpe:Go back and watch him how he gave that work to the Bulls. Go back and watch some of his clips. Nah, nah, nah. He was from Rio. One of the best scores ever come through the SEC, bro, in LSU. No lie. He was phenomenal. He was phenomenal. How in hell him and Shaq didn't do more than with him and Stanley, big Stanley. Man, you know when you're young like that, you need some polishing. They ain't had no season. They were too bland. Yeah. The anonymous sources, and I get what Jalen's saying, but he doesn't know the kind of trouble the world would be in without anonymous sources because you found out that nicotine was addictive through an anonymous source.

56:32Shannon Sharpe:You found out about Watergate through an anonymous source. You found out about the Iran-Contra through an anonymous source. You found out about the Tuskegee study, what they were doing to those black men, injecting them and giving them placebos and seeing the fact that syphilis caused on them. It was an anonymous source. So you got to be careful because you can't pick and choose. I want this anonymous source, but I don't want that anonymous source. So you have to be careful. And I know a lot of times anonymous sources, they're not really saying anything positive. because I can assure you if it was an anonymous source and they say JB is one of the top five players, do you think he'd have a problem with that, Joe?

57:13Shannon Sharpe:No, sir. You see? So you have to be careful. And Jalen is smart enough to know with his extensive studies, he knows anonymous sources have their place. That's the system of checks and balances that you have to have because somebody, when people go left, somebody have to be willing to go right and get out bits and pieces of information. So you have to be really, really careful with saying anonymous source, anonymous source. And the funny thing about it... Oh, Joe, what do you want to say? Because I know you don't like anonymous sources either. Go ahead.

57:49Joe Johnson:I mean, I don't like anonymous sources. I would love for people to say things and say it with your chest and say it like you mean it most of the time. But anytime there's an anonymous source, it's always true to it. Every story comes from somewhere. And the whole point is they want to remain anonymous because if those that said the Stephen A's and the people that are analysts and punnets, if they tell who the source is, then they'll never be able to get information again. That's how they get it out. They get it out to those talking heads that are on TV so it can be said. That's how you start the trickle effect.

58:20Joe Johnson:Because they can't say it. Yes, they can't say it.

58:25Shannon Sharpe:There's always truth to it every time. Yes, but don't get mad at the source. Because it's hard for me to imagine that somebody, and look, he's a very intelligent brother. And just because he's well-educated, he's well-informed, he's well-versed, I mean, what am I supposed to do? I'm supposed to dumb myself down to make you feel better about yourself? I'm who I am. And we have a way of doing that. Sometimes, Ocho, and Joe, we know this. Sometimes we would do less than what we should because we don't want to make somebody else feel bad about what we worked out and for. I've done it. Man, I can't get this, man.

59:11Shannon Sharpe:They're going to thank me. They're going to think I'm trying to show somebody up. I'm devaluing myself. What my hard-earned work has done. So, no, Jalen Brown should never dumb down himself, dumb down his opinions to make somebody else feel good about themselves. Because that's what they're mad about because they feel inferior. How? You mean to tell me he know more than me? Maybe on certain things he does. And that irks some people because they got a perception of what you should say, what you should sound like. Because it used to be cold, boy, you're really articulate. What does that mean? Have you ever heard one of them say that to another one of them?

59:59Joe Johnson:No.

59:59Shannon Sharpe:That's what they reserve for us. Articulate. Okay. Sure. We'll take that. Stop.

1:00:11Shannon Sharpe:But it's a situation where I think the way it transpired, because of who he is, the success that what he's had, his name has come up every single year. especially over the last four to five, three to four years, extensively in the offseason. And when it looks like somebody like, hey, you can have Jalen Brown in the pit. You can have Jalen Brown, blah, blah, blah, so forth and so on. And he's like, well, damn, what do I got to do to take my pot on the stove? Because it seems like my pot is always on the stove and it's always boiling. Why me? why can't I get to the side and be cooling

1:00:54Joe Johnson:I know how to get your pot off the stove you gotta play their game

1:00:59Shannon Sharpe:well that's the game

1:01:01Joe Johnson:hey shut up and dribble they'll take your pot off the stove

1:01:07Shannon Sharpe:no he ain't gonna do that I'm glad he's not

1:01:11Joe Johnson:I'm glad that he's choosing not to conform to the way they think he should be I want to continue to be authentically who Jalen Brown is. Be who you are. Always. Understand what comes with that.

1:01:23Shannon Sharpe:Hey, I like it. You have to be willing to accept the consequences that comes along with that. And I've been, look, I love JB, but I understand how this thing works. It ain't no tiptoeing. I've been, I'm for anonymous sources. I'm for anonymous sources. good, bad, or indifferent because they serve their place in society. Nobody has ever been upset with an anonymous source when they say you was about to get$200 million or you're one of the best five players in the league. Nobody's ever said that. Or when they say anonymous sources say, you know, this is the next five people going into the Basketball Hall of Fame or the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

1:02:09Shannon Sharpe:Nobody says, I wish these anonymous sources, who are these anonymous sources? Nobody says that. Stop cherry picking. We've all had anonymous sources say things. I have. Anonymous sources say the Broncos are not going to be willing to shine a sharp due to its age and its injury history. Hell, I know where it came from. What was that going to do? But they weren't the only team. Last I checked, they print a lot of money. Come on, now. The Broncos weren't the only one that had it. Come on, now. you have to understand see people like get mad if you actions have consequences

1:02:53Shannon Sharpe:i tell you what go on your job and constantly complain about your boss your job and give you the respect and let's see how long you work there y 'all make it seem like oh i can do whatever you you don't you don't you don't talk to your boss any kind of way you don't no let me let me take that back. You don't talk to your boss any kind of way if you have a job and you're not your boss. Now, if you're your boss, hell, you can talk to yourself any kind of damn way. But you're not finna go on these people's job. There's a certain level, and I don't think JB did that. I don't, I disagree, and we, hold on, let's go to the next one.

1:03:31Shannon Sharpe:Here's JB said the world doesn't like how authentic he is. Go ahead, take a listen to that. You know what I mean? And I think the world right now, you know, obviously, you can use me as an example is not comfortable with the level of authenticity that someone may bring. And I wasn't comfortable myself when I first started. Like, listen, I'm not a streamer, bro. Like I stream, but this, this wasn't me. This was never me. People in Boston, it's, I don't even like talking to people in general, let alone talking to 27 ,000 people. So I started doing this because, you know, the industry, the narratives and everything that people try to make up and you You see them now coming out and getting exposed.

1:04:13But I did this as a way to like storytell, tell your own stories and show up and let people know who you are and what you got going on.

1:04:23Joe Johnson:I love that, huh? Yes. I love it. Cut the middle man out, Joe. Yes. Cut the middle man out. You, linear television, media, talking pundits, analysts, you're not going to be able to control the narrative on how the public and the masses are going to perceive me. I get to control it now. So no matter what you say, and if I don't agree with it, now I have my own platform and my own voice and my own audience to debunk whatever it is that you say.

1:04:50Shannon Sharpe:Before you go any further, I want you to stop, rewind seven seconds, and then press play. Stop, rewind seven seconds. You said I have my own media platform. Yes. I have my own safe. Yes. Now, ESPN has a platform. They got 25 people. So who you think is going to win? Even if, think about it, that's how news organizations work. Oh, I like that. They can pump out information, even though you, who you think the people are going to believe? How many people you think are going to believe what he says versus what? Now, I know there are going to be people that look like us, but the masses, who you think are going to believe?

1:05:36Shannon Sharpe:When people turn on Fox News, who you make they believe?

1:05:39Joe Johnson:But I got a question. Go ahead. I hope I got an answer for you. For those that enjoy the game of basketball, for those that actually watch, this is far and few. We never see someone like this be able to go at the machine. Right. I'm going at the machine. Yes. So I'm telling you, I'm telling you, okay, this is what the machine says? Yes. Well, you know what? You hear it from the horse's mouth. It actually.

1:06:02Shannon Sharpe:It ain't true. And to be able to go at the machine, Uncle Ocho, you got to be doing your damn thing. You hear me? Yes. Because I'm saying it's a lot of cats out here who all will have a voice. But, man, if you ain't out here, JB averaging 29 a game, bro. How the hell am I averaging 29 a game, 30 MVP voting, and my name's still in all these damn conversations and getting traded. Something ain't right, bro. Finals MVP and Eastern Conference MVP. Come on, man. Make it make sense for me. So maybe there's something that Boston just didn't want to deal with, bro. You know, because when you think about what they gave up for him, yeah, when I talk about a swap, yeah, he's having 29 PGs, averaging 17.

1:06:47Shannon Sharpe:But, bro, the headache that they feel like they're going to have to deal with, they don't want to deal with that. That's it. They don't want to deal with it, Uncle Ocho. I'm a prime example. I left Fox. they said one thing I didn't say anything people believed it even if I came out and said this is what happened X, Y, and Z people are going to believe there got to be some truth to it somewhere same thing with CBS everybody said he got let go because of this no I talked to them they said Shannon we just don't think two tight ends on the set of work okay But everybody tried to make it something else.

1:07:32Shannon Sharpe:Okay, fine. What I've learned is that people are going to believe what they want to believe. And there ain't no change in their mind. Are you looking at what's going on in today's? People say we lost money with the Trump coin. People say, and they're blaming Democrats because they ain't buying the coin and they shorted it. So people are going to believe what they want to believe. So why am I going to waste my time? Now, maybe if there are things you want to get off your chest, I could have said a lot. There are only a handful of people that really, really know the truth about what transpired at Fox and what transpired at CBS.

1:08:09Shannon Sharpe:And none of this is what they put out. Right. But you know what? Hey, clean my thing out. Say it. Wardrobe, Autumn, and Tracy. Peace out. Jumpsuit, Brett. Hey, Brina, peace out. Everybody heard my girl sing. Eddie, hey, you move on. You can't, when people want to, that's what I hate. You never heard anything when Shannon Sharp was at Fox. It wasn't until I left, then all of a sudden, this started leaking out. You never heard none of this about JB when he was there. Nobody said they used the term, you know, thought he was the smartest guy in the room. But what that means, they thought he was uppity.

1:08:56Shannon Sharpe:You know he thought he was uppity. One of them. You didn't hear that? You didn't hear nothing about his teammates. His teammates couldn't tell him nothing. Seemed like to me he got along with everybody. That's just me. I'm not in the locker room. But why didn't we hear some of this about him not getting along with teammates before they traded him, Joe? Why would you hear about he was the smartest guy in the room before? you knew he had outside interests listen everybody it's okay if he has other things but it's hard for me to believe that he didn't give you everything that he could while he was on the clock go ahead Ocho

1:09:35Joe Johnson:Joe and what did I say was going to come out after you got traded last night on the show watch all the like they did with Miles Garrett all of a sudden I knew it was going to happen I knew it was going to happen

1:09:48Shannon Sharpe:that's wild bro that's what I don't get man I'm saying look Joe we talked about this we've all been in relationships to end nobody heard me say nothing bad about any of my exes cause I didn't say that when I was with them they didn't say that when they were me so now all of a sudden we go our separate ways and you got all this bad stuff to say I get it sometimes people when emotion is high logic is really really low you want to make me look bad. I left because of this. I left because of that. Well, you should have left a lot earlier if I've been doing this the whole time. Why the hell you stay 10 years?

1:10:27Shannon Sharpe:Why the hell you stay 7 years? If I was such an asshole, if I was a jerk, didn't do anything, didn't take any vacations, now all of a sudden you leave. Oh, I just That's how I am. Everybody, and my mistake again, thinking how I am, that's our other mistake. That's your biggest mistake. That's the biggest mistake. Especially when you live and learn. That's your biggest mistake, especially when you're a giver, bro. When you're a giver and they know you're a giver, bro. Hey, I learned my lesson.

1:11:08Joe Johnson:I learned my lesson on the Joe. I learned my lesson about being a giver and people start, they take advantage of you. They take advantage of you. You got to cut that off quick, boy.

1:11:19Shannon Sharpe:You got to put limits on what you give because takers will never put limits on what they take. Man, I'm talking about, boy, you said a mile full of that, boy. Damn. You can't. And you, Joe, hey, you win some, you lose some, you move on. Yes, sir. I don't – look, you want to trade – it's your right to do this. But I don't think any fans are going to start coming to the game. like when players request a trade oh you ain't no loyal teams owners have convinced their fan base that loyalty is a one way street and it's okay we're the only ones that need to be loyal excuse me the players need to be loyal we don't need to be so if a player asks for a trade you see and fans gobble it up every time how?

1:12:15Shannon Sharpe:I'm trying to figure out how can a billionaire convince an average fan that the millionaires are more selfish than them and they bought it

1:12:28Shannon Sharpe:they bought it and they're still buying it

1:12:38Shannon Sharpe:I just man James like I said As a matter of fact, y 'all know what happened? Was it last year? Yeah, last year. Around the 4th. I went to this place and got some barbecue. Big old dude, man, bald head. Yeah. Man kept looking at me. I'm like, well, man, I was like, you know, I'm like chilling. You know, I'm like, you know, I feel him looking. I'm looking, you know, we make eye contact because if I, and that's why I kind of, if I'm in the airport, I don't really make eye contact. I have my headphones on. I'm trying to get from.80 to.80. Me and George, we're in a hurry. But he kept looking at me And after a while He came He came and like You know who I am?

1:13:23Shannon Sharpe:I'm like nah Should I know? He said I'm Jalen Brown's dad I said oh okay what's up man How you doing?

1:13:35Shannon Sharpe:He was like Man they be talking crazy about my son I said what you mean? He's like man And they'd be, you know, he's always in trade discussion. They always say it X, Y, and Z. And he's nothing like that. I didn't know because I've never heard Jalen. Obviously, we know he has a dad. But I've never heard him mention or say anything about it. So I didn't know if he was telling the truth or not. But then when I look at him, I'm like, yeah, you Jalen Brown dad? Are you close to him? Are you something? Are you his brother or uncle or something? Because y 'all damn sure what he looks like. He just got a beard, got a bald head.

1:14:13Shannon Sharpe:But, and I think Jalen got low hair now. Yeah, God cut his hair. Yeah, God cut it. Ojo. Yeah. But no, it's, I just, this is, and now, and I've seen, you know, they used to call them locker room lawyers. they do all they can to get them up out of there and the thing it was so hard about they can't do this because he's such a great player if he was speaking like this and he was averaging 50 that's what helps him though the fact that he is such a great player top 10 player in this league right now that helps him more than anything hey listen for me I look forward to him going to Philly bro and putting that ball in the hell out.

1:15:10Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, not only ball in the hell out, but putting that battery pack in Joel Embiid, bro. I feel like you got to respect somebody like that, Uncle Ocho. You come to your team. JB, come to your team. You see how hard he works. Obviously, he speaks what's on his mind. Bro, you got to respect that, man. You're going to have to get to work. A lot going to be expected. Hey, listen, and don't let... I ain't going to even see it. I ain't going to see it. I ain't going to even see it Hey Joe

1:15:38Joe Johnson:Don't hide it Joe Let us know what you're thinking Joe

1:15:41Shannon Sharpe:They may not be done If I'm a free agent Oh yo you try to talk about the King You try to talk about the King I'm just saying When you look around the league Especially Eastern Conference bro There are a few teams that you add that man to it Boy they going to be a top three team in the Eastern Conference for sure.

1:16:06Joe Johnson:Hey, listen to me. Listen to me now, Joe. Now listen.

1:16:08Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Joe, I said it's a few teams. I ain't take y 'all out.

1:16:11Joe Johnson:I'm just keeping it 100. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. You got Jalen Brown on the ball. You got Tyrese Max on the ball. You got goddamn Embiid down there clogging the paint. LeBron ain't going there, man. Just cut that out. Hey, hey. I thought your ball knowledge was supposed to be on par. It's not on par with me right now.

1:16:29Shannon Sharpe:All right, hey. man.

1:16:31Joe Johnson:LeBron gets to dictate and control the pace of games, having the ball in his hands at Miami. And it's a better situation no matter what. Sending them out to the West and sending them out there to die. You don't want to be 42 years old playing against anybody in the goddamn West. I want to see them boys in the finals.

1:16:49Shannon Sharpe:I told you, listen, it's a few teams in the Eastern Conference that looks very enticing. Name one. Name another one, Joe. Outside of Philly, outside of the Heat. Yeah. Outside of the Cavs. What you mean? It's a few teams. The Cavs. That's a crib, Coach O.

1:17:07Joe Johnson:That's a crib. He not going back there again. Now he ain't finna double. I already blessed y 'all on the go back. I ain't finna bless you for a third time. Come on, Joe.

1:17:21Shannon Sharpe:But you know what's amazing, guys? I thought ever since we bucked that trend of just dumb jocks, I thought they would like that. the NBA and fans and people would love because for the longest time we would just do jobs. Now we educated. Now we have ideas. We run businesses. We do all that stuff now. You know why it's a problem? It cut all the BS out. You know what I mean? It cut all the BS out, bro. We can speak for our damn self. hey they don't like that no hell no they don't

1:18:04Joe Johnson:oh lord now they got a voice oh lord now they got an opinion oh now we can't control

1:18:10Shannon Sharpe:he got all his damn talent damn what we gonna do now we can't control him because what they do is they say we gonna give you ex give you a house in a gated community give you as many cars as you like and so maybe you will turn a blind eye to what's going on Now he talking. Because you said. Now he talking. Now he talking. Now he talking. That is what they do.

1:18:42No. Look, the Lord has blessed me 50 times more than what he should.

1:18:50Shannon Sharpe:Okay, a thousand times. My life shouldn't be this good. I should not have been able to go to places. Coming from where I came from, I shouldn't have been able to go to places, do, achieve what I've been able to achieve. He put two of us. He put two guys with no running water and indoor plumbing in the same house, in a thousand square foot, 3 ,500 people. He say both of y 'all going to the league. Damn. Clock that, man. Clock it. Huh? Yeah, clock that. I can't, man. I can't sit back there and not do anything and not say anything when I see you doing wrong. wrong is wrong, right is right. And everybody ain't going to agree.

1:19:30Shannon Sharpe:Because I remember a time, look, the Colin Kaepernick, we talked about it when no one else would touch it. If you watch Undisputed, we started basically the first six months of the year, we had at least, at bare minimum, two topics on Colin Kaepernick. There were shows in a ten-segment show. In the two and a half hours, six to seven of the segments was about cap.

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