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20:45He had time for everybody. I've never saw Muhammad in a hurry. Right. And I got to go all over with him. And he looked you in the eye and he cared. He cared. He wasn't, it wasn't a one way exchange and he, he had self-awareness. So he knew what he meant when he was talking to you. Correct. And it meant something to him. Right. So, you know, him and Nelson Mandela are the most remarkable people I've ever met and been around. And obviously I didn't know President Mandela, but I got to interview him. But Muhammad Ali being around him was just total joy. And Lonnie, I mean, just the whole, everything about him.

21:19Ocho:Jim, you mentioned that the accomplishments, and he was a great amateur, and he goes to in 60 in Rome. He wins the gold medal. and then was that 63 that he beat Sonny Liston? What year was that he beat Sonny? Yes, 19. Well, when he shocked the world and then he had the rematch, yes, 64. Yeah. And so when you think about it. Lewiston, Maine was the second one, Miami the first. Yeah. Lewiston, Maine, yes. When he would like, he would literally tell you what he was going to do. Yeah. He would go do it. People were like, how? And it turned some people off because we like athletes humble. He was far from that.

21:55Ocho:Far from it. Well, he had a lot of detractors, you know, his stance against the Vietnam War. Like he was vindicated by the Supreme Court. Correct. But he wasn't vindicated by the public until they found out all the information later. So the stand that he took was very, very unpopular. In fact, we have the Hall of Excellence. And Shannon, thank you so much for coming. Tom Brady and I opened a museum here in the Fountain Blue Hotel. And we have his gloves from George Chevalho. And the reason those gloves are so important, he wasn't given a license to fight in America. He had to go to Canada to fight George Cervaglio, and he called it his toughest fight ever, and he won the fight.

22:32But Ali stood up. He had a social conscience. He stood up for black America. He stood up for all of America, and he stood up for those who couldn't speak. And he had a voice, and he was braggadocious. Yes, yeah. And, you know, now we don't even think about it. With social media, everybody's saying everything all the time. But his words meant something. All these other words right now, I don't want to say they're meaningless because we can't put people's words into that category. But they don't have the same effect as it had back then. Correct. The funny thing back then is Ali did it, and Jim, he did it at a time when it was frowned upon.

23:07We are not supposed to have that kind of freedom. We are not supposed to have that kind of platform, let alone power or voice. So anytime Ali says something, and he has such a way with words. He has such a way with words and being able to put things together. and it was, I don't even know how to put it into words because I haven't seen anything like it. That's why I asked you the question. He was so good at what he did and he was self-aware. That's the only thing I could, that's the only other word I can think of. He was so self-aware. You know what you can't, but he did a smack dab in the 60s.

23:35That's the smack dab in the heart of the civil rights movement. Yep. But you know what else, and you guys know this. Yes. What's the one thing you can't replace in life and that's likability. Yeah. Okay. When you were in front of him, you couldn't help but like him. You may have hated everything you stood for. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay? But when you were with him, you were smiling, you were laughing, you were educated, you were all those things. Entertained, inspired, everything that you want. So you couldn't help but have respect. Right. Because you had to pay attention. And, you know, you're likable.

24:08Okay? You're likable. I don't know. You can't put your finger on why. Either you are or you are. If you're not, you're phony. Yes. Okay? That doesn't mean everybody in life who's not, you know. But, I mean, there's that it factor or whatever it is. You know, you smile. There's Shannon. Okay? And I'm not comparing him to Ali, but I'm just saying likeability. Ability is very important. Exactly.

24:30Ocho:It's probably the most important thing. You know when you're great, when you're more popular in death than you ever were in life. You look at Ali. You look at Dr. King. You look at Malcolm X. You look at Abe Lincoln. You look at some of these great figures. and they were not, at the time they were living, they were never what they became in death. It's an interesting concept. You know Nelson Mandela got to go over and spend time with him and interview him. You know he was a boxer? Did you know that? I did not know that. Yes, and you know why they put him in the quarry? They wanted to ruin his vocations.

25:05They wanted to wreck his hands, so they put him in the quarry. But he was a big fight fan, and anyway, he had a fight over there in South Africa. Anyway, we got to spend time with him. The great Larry King introduced me to him and took me to meet him and got to spend. And, you know, he said that Maya Angelou wrote something for us, a speech on reconciliation, which is the most simplistically brilliant thing I'd ever heard. He said, people will forget what you say and people will forget what you do, but no one will ever forget the way you make them feel. When you were with Ali, you felt better about you and better about him.

25:35Think about that. Yeah. How many people you walk away from in life today that when you leave them, you say, boy, that sure feels good. Yeah.

25:43Ocho:Jim, this fight, you've been around some great fights. I mean, Sugar Ray and Marvin Hagler and the Tyson era when there's nothing like a heavyweight fight. Do you notice the buzz with Canelo Crawford? Is this what boxing kind of needed? It needed it bad. The institution needs this. The best fighting the best. Okay. Yes, they're not both at the same weight. And Bud's taking a risk coming up. Taking a huge risk coming up. And, you know, he's also getting well compensated, and he feels that the risk is worth the reward, and the reward will be great if he can pull this off. But it needs this, yes.

26:17We need the best fighting the best, and we don't have that so often. You know, promoters and all these folks who get involved in this, you know, they've been provincial for whatever the reason, and they've stayed true to their guys who they promote on their networks where they have licensing deals. This has crossed all of these lines. It's on Netflix. The whole world can tune this in. Yes. The millions upon millions here. And it's going to be over at Allegiant Stadium where the Raiders play. In an NFL stadium, it's going to be the biggest crowd in the history of Nevada to watch a fight. And look who's fought here.

26:48Ali's fought here. Holmes has fought here. Hagler's fought here. Hearns, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Tyson, the great Mike Tyson. I mean, so when you look at what this is, yes, the institution needs this. The institution has been suffering. And now you've got Dana White and Turkey, and they're putting together this fight. And by doing this, you know, it's bringing people to see the best. We can't assess what the fight is afterward. We can't say it's one of the great fights of all time until we see it. Exactly. So we don't know that. I mean, I did a fight over here at Mandalay Bay. Greatest fight I ever saw.

27:23Castillo Corrales.

27:24Ocho:Oh, yeah. There were 5 ,100 people there. And they play that back now on YouTube and all over when we were back at Showtime. It's the greatest fight ever. Corolla had no business with him. Nobody thought that before, so we can't say what this is going to be until Saturday night at midnight. So do you think the resurgence of the sport of boxing is happening now because of Turkey's interest in the sport now and being able to make some of the great fights that we, myself, a huge boxing fan, do you think him being interested in boxing has allowed now boxers wanting to take that chance and most of them not taking a chance because they don't want that zero.

28:03Nobody wants to lose. It certainly helped a lot. But, you know, the zero doesn't define you. How many games did the Philadelphia Eagles lose last year? Right. How many? I don't know. What was it, four or five? I can't remember. Two or three. We can't even remember. Right. Okay. This isn't, you know, boxing should not have been. Floyd ruined this sport. Floyd Mayweather ruined this sport. I don't mean that personally. No, he didn't. I love him personally, and I love his accomplishments and his achievements, and he was great to me. He was great to show time, and I'm friends with him to this day, and I admire and respect him.

28:33But he ruined the sport because the only thing that mattered was the zero.

28:36Ocho:Yes. Okay, and so what did that do to all of these other fighters? Everyone else worried about the zero. But we do that too, though, because if a guy loses a fight, we throw him to the wayside now, Jim. Well, it's not the NCAA tournament. It shouldn't be that. I know. Look at when Duran and Hagler and Hearns and Leonard and all these guys fighting each other all the time. We didn't criticize them when they lost. When Sugar Ray lost to Duran, we didn't criticize him. When Hearns lost to Leonard, we didn't criticize him. When Hagler lost, we didn't criticize him. These guys lose now. If Shakur Stavis lose now, we're going to criticize him.

29:06Ocho:Why are you doing that? Because I've been following the fight. I'm old enough to remember the 80s when they had the four horsemen and they fought. The best fought the best. It wasn't no ducking and dodging. In the 70s, the heavyweight, Norton fought. Foreman fought. We didn't get mad at Frazier when Foreman beat him? No, three times. I have. Well, no, Foreman fought Ali three times. No, no, Frazier fought Ali three times. Foreman and Frazier fought once. That was enough. Yes. Damn near went through the roof. That was it. I'm telling you, but we didn't diminish what Joe had accomplished or what he could do in the future.

29:44No, no, we did not. It was a setback.

29:45Ocho:But why did we do that, Jim? Jim, you've been around this thing for 45 decades. I'm not sure where all that turned, and I'm not sure why. I can't pinpoint it, and I don't really mean to blame Floyd. No, no, no. Floyd is great. Floyd Paul, they couldn't beat him. But think about where the zeros have only mattered in a career. Think about that. 7, 16, whatever, 14-0, then 17-0 Don Shula and the Miami Dolphins. Yes, yes. Okay? So then that defined their lives. Yeah. Okay? Not that he was the greatest coach in the history with 347 wins. Right. It was the undefeated season. The undefeated season is what you know for.

30:22Ocho:So maybe it was 72. Bobby Knight. He's the last one. 76 in 1976 when they went undefeated. With the Hoosiers. But you know who never defined? I don't want to interrupt you. Go ahead. You know who never defined themselves by winning? Or never mentioned the word win once? Never once mentioned the word win to his team. John Wooden. Wow. And he won, what did he have, three undefeated seasons? Yes. And ten national championships. And Bill Walton and Kareem and all these guys. Jamal Wilkes. You know what I think the difference is? Is the era of boxing that you're talking. the airboxing that you started out, you think about the airboxing that we're in now.

30:56I think fighters are scared to take the chances because it ruins being the A-side. Having a loss or one or maybe two or maybe three, it ruins your purse, what you're able to command. So I think it's the financial reasons on why they don't want to take those chances. And I think, again, with Turkey coming into the game now, Dana White being a part and all the different sponsors and advertisers, I think more boxers are going to be willing to take chances against opponents that are just as skilled, that are not as flawed, and you're not fighting inferior opponents anymore, and you're giving the people, the fans, fights we really want to see.

31:36I really want to see Shakur Stevenson and Tia Fomo Lopez. Absolutely. I really want to see that. Well, you know, here's what it is. It needs a model that can work. The other model hasn't worked. If the other model worked, we'd still be on Showtime. HBO would still be in the game. ESPN wouldn't have gotten out of top rank. Right. You know, we wouldn't have what we have. And so it needs a drastic shift to get to a place where we can see it. And what happens when this doesn't work, we don't have people coming up in the pipeline. Right. Like, because they can't get exposed. So if you don't know any of these people fighting, why would you go buy a ticket?

32:15Ocho:Yeah, true. So it needs this. And so it's at the right time. and, you know, and by the way, there's been disruption in everything. Look at the disruption in television and streaming and podcasts and radio. Everything kind of moving digitally. I mean, just look at how everything has changed. So boxing has to go with it, and it hasn't. And now the time may be right. I hope so. Speaking of great fights, speaking of boxing, there's a great fight coming up that I want to make sure that you're there to announce. Unc, I'm fighting on behalf of us, and I want to know your thoughts. on gym. I want to fight Andre Ward.

32:54Ten rounds. Ten rounds. Three minute rounds. What do you think is going to happen? Wait, before you say anything. Did you get to wear your helmet? No, no, no. I'm not wearing my helmet. But I'm going to beat his ass. What's the problem here? He has a punchable face. Oh my goodness. So I just want to know how you think that fight's going to turn out. Six months of training. We're going to fight here in Vegas. It's a very famous saying. I'm on your show, so I want to be a good guest. You don't play boxing. No, you don't. So you can't play boxing. You can play football. You can play baseball. Yeah, yeah.

33:27You don't play boxing. No, you don't. You don't. And I understand that.

33:30Ocho:Think this one through. I did. I did. Jim, let me ask you this. If Crawford were to pull this off, where would you rank this as far as upsets in the world of boxing? Wow, that's a good one. That's a very good one. Well, it's not Buster Douglas because the man's 41-0. Correct. So it's not Buster Douglas against Mike Tyson. so it doesn't go up into that. Who we thought was unbeatable. It's not Rocky Balboa, okay? Some guy we never heard of. We know Bud Crawford, and we know he's great, okay? You know, perhaps it's Holyfield over Tyson. Wow. Perhaps it's Holyfield over Tyson, the first fight. Yes.

34:06Not the ear biting. Yes. Because I don't think anybody saw that coming. No.

34:09Ocho:No. And Holyfield was an accomplished fighter who'd done great. Yes. You know, cruiserweight champion and so forth, and, you know. So that might be a good comparison. What about Roy Ruiz? Roy moving up from 68, and he ended up weighing at 193, gained 25 pounds. He took the heavyweight title from John Ruiz. I'm trying to think of guys that have moved up. But Ruiz wasn't in the Canelo echelon. No, not even close. What do you think of? Right. He won one. He won who he beat. Right. Deontay? Yeah. Or whoever he had beaten. Joshua? Yeah. Beat Joshua. What about Spinks over Ali? Well, that was huge. That was big.

34:46That was big. I'm holding up to room with that. Again, that was a guy who had very little fights. Yes. And, you know, he was an Olympic champion, and so there was hope for him. Yes. But Bud Crawford is huge.

35:00Ocho:Bud is really accomplished. So he's not in the Leon Spinks category. No, no, no, no. I mean, moving up in weight, look, it's tough. And Canelo found that out against Bevo. Yes. You know, look, he thought he was going to pick a fight that he was going to win. Yeah. All right? And the guy was bigger and stronger, and he had a better night. Yeah. And so that's a hard, but I kind of like Holyfield over Tyson because Holyfield was accomplished. Handicap this, what do you think? You think it goes the distance? You think somebody ends it? Well, nobody's gone down, so I don't know what would cause. I don't see how Bud Crawford can hurt Canelo.

35:36I just don't see it. He might outbox him, and he might outpoint him, and he might do all of those things, But it's hard to see Canelo going down to Bud Crawford, a smaller guy. Right. Now, the interesting thing about this is Bud's three years older, but he's only fought half as many rounds. So Canelo has so much more experience, but he's also been punished more. Yes. He's taken on. And if you look back over the past seven years, you know, Canelo's, you know, who's he beat? But then you can look at Bud and you can say, who's he fought? He fought Errol Spence after he flipped his car 19 times, and he was damaged.

36:19And this isn't to take away because they're only fighting the people who are in front of him. Right. Right.

36:23Ocho:And so the promoters. We love to see if we rewind the half the time and put a prime Sugar Ray, a prime Marmott, you know, Hearns and all those Duran. But that ain't happening. You've got to fight who's in your era. And the era of fighters that we had in the 80s, in that division, in that class, it's just not there anymore. See, we let the other one bake too long. Floyd against Pacquiao. That was the last big fight that we had really in Las Vegas. You could say, you know, look, Wilder and Fury. I don't know how Deontay Wilder, he hit that guy. I still don't know how Fury got up. That was Frankenstein.

36:58But that guy got up somehow. I mean, Jack Reese helped. Jack Reese literally like counted to 23. You're supposed to be a 10 count. I mean, come on. Who are you? Who am I? Where are we? Where does your dad count? What car does your dad drive? I mean, what are you asking all these questions? You walk in the back of it. Either you can get up at 10 or you can. Either you can fight or you can't. So Jack Reese, that was terrible. Jack Reese did a terrible job that night. But accomplished official, accomplished referee. But that was bad. But you could argue that there was some compelling to that. But we really haven't had anything quite since Pacquiao and Mayweather.

37:34And unfortunately, that just took too long. And then Pacquiao had a bad shoulder, and Floyd won the fight.

37:39Ocho:Is that why we're getting all these exhibitions now? Because boxing is missing, and we want those guys to be able to fight again. And so we're willing to pay. We're willing to watch them way past their prime. A 61-, 60-year-old Mike Tyson against a 40-plus-year-old Floyd Mayweather. Or we get a Jake Paul fighting a Tank Davis. Is that why we're seeing what we're seeing now, Jim? You know, I'm always for you guys. I'm always for the athlete. Yeah. So I don't get into all of that. I mean, Jake Paul has brought people to the television set that wouldn't normally come. Correct. Now, he's becoming a better boxer, I guess.

38:19Yes. You know, I did his first fight when Tyson fought Roy Jones during COVID. You know, that was, and Mike put on a great performance against Roy Jones. And, you know, that was a terrific exhibition for a guy, I think he was 55 at the time, Mike. And so that was cool. And then Jake came on the scene that night. He knocked out Nate Robinson. Yeah. And and, you know, he's tried to enhance his growth, but he's fighting a bunch of people that, you know, you know, aren't really, you know, in the genre of, you know, he's fighting MMA guys and UFC guys and so on and so forth. And now his next fight is against Tank.

38:54I mean, there's what, eight, 70 pounds. I mean, yes. Georgia didn't even know if they're going to license it. I don't know. You know, we don't know what's going to happen with all of this. So I guess it's good that he brings folks that he wouldn't bring so they get exposed to boxing. But on the other hand, you know, this is what the game is. You know, the guys who've dedicated themselves to the sport. And, again, I'm not against anybody doing anything for their livelihood. So if Mike wants to fight, I hope he doesn't get hurt. And I want to say this about Jake Paul. I didn't know this, but Jake Paul had tremendous humanity.

39:36He could have hurt Mike, and he backed off. He could have hurt him. And he had the decency and humanity not to. So you heard it here first. What? Jim said it's okay to beat up Andre Ward. Okay. You need the money. You need to fight. We're going to be here to support you. You need to prove something. Go ahead and prove it. But guess what? They gave you a helmet for a reason.

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44:13Ocho:All right, our next guest coming to the stage right now. Here he is. He's all the way. He's walking to the stage as we speak. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen. I'm going to fight him, too. You want to fight him? I'm going to whoop his ass, Chad. Caleb Plant, ladies and gentlemen. I'm here. What's up, bro? You good? Thanks for doing it. Tom, you going to come through? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. Hey, Tom, you want to fight? Huh? All right, let me go. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we have Caleb Plant joining us. Caleb, how you doing, man? Man, doing well. Appreciate y 'all having me on.

44:52Ocho:Appreciate you coming by. Obviously, we got Canelo Crawford. We got Crawford moving up two weight classes. Basically, he's only had one fight at 54. So basically, it's a three-weight class jump because he's going from basically 47, skip 54, skip 60, going to 68. What are your expectations in this fight? Because everybody's like, can Bud take a punch when he feels Canelo's power? Will he retreat or will he try to send something back? How do you think this thing plays out? Well, I think it's going to be a good fight. I don't think it's going to be a snoozer. I don't think, you know, and if we were to take a guess at who would allow it to be a snoozer, we'd have to guess Terrence because he's in the lower weight class.

45:34If he gets hit, he's just going to get on his bike. Right. And that's just not in Terrence's DNA, you know. No. If he feels his power and thinks, man, I'm going to have to land something big or he's going to land something big, one of us has got to go. Right. Terrence is the type of guy who will go out on his shield respectfully because that's just the type of person it is. And there's no stage that he'll change course from doing that. You know what I'm saying? So I think it's going to be a great fight.

46:02Ocho:We thought we were going to get that type of fight with Charlo. And it seems like when Charlo felt Canelo's power, all of a sudden he's like, no, no. And but knowing blood watching blood fight. That's not buzz mentality, but it's gonna push forward now I don't recommend standing in the pocket, but but can box and I think in order for him to win this fight I don't believe he can beat him in a slugfest. I believe he I believe he's gonna have to appoint him. What say you? I think that uh The thing about Terrence is he can fight left-handed right-handed and And just as importantly, he can fight at long range, he can fight at mid range, and he can fight at close range.

46:43And, you know, what do I know, right? But I think, you know, I think it would be wise of Terrence that he's either going to be boxing on the outside or he needs to be all the way inside. He doesn't need to be in between. He doesn't need to be at mid range. And when he's on inside, he can smother, but he doesn't just have to do that. He can fight on the inside. He can box on the inside. He can take angles on the inside. But he needs to be close. So he needs to either be all the way in or all the way out. And that's just my, you know, two cents on that. But at the same time, you know, there's a saying for a reason, and it's that there are weight classes for a reason.

47:22You know what I mean? And as you spoke to, Terrence only fighting once at 154 against Madrimov, which he won and now moving up two more, but spending most of his career at 47 and 40 and 35. but with the greatness that he's accomplished and how great he is and how great it's like where do you draw the line in the sand on the tipping point right right and that's what i'm excited to see if you could write the perfect story with it coming to an end and you're controlling that ending where you are right now in your boxing career and everything that you've accomplish, what else do you have left that you want to achieve in that story?

48:02I think, you know, I think children give us new perspective. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I got my. Congrats. Congrats, by the way. I'm a daddy of three. Got, you know, two here with me. And, you know, I think it's important that we show our children that even if we stumble, even if we fall, that's no reason to stay down. You know, you got to get up, you got to dust yourself back off, and you got to keep going, regardless of what social media or the world or your best friend is telling you. You know, you owe it to yourself. And so just for me to add to my legacy of accomplishing what I can, whether that's another world title or, you know, there's big fights out there for me that don't even, where a title's not even involved, you know.

48:51and so I'd love to be a part of those big fights. You know, put more money in my bank account don't hurt me either. You know what I'm saying? But money's not my continuing reason, you know what I mean? It's about showing my kids and my children what you can do if you put your mind to it. Right. Do you think that addition and the resurgence of Turkey Ali, interest in boxing has changed the landscape of it allowing some of the great fighters to take chances fighting other great fighters yeah i mean if he's trying to bring it together as a whole and one whether it where there's not other companies that may is that what you're speaking to yeah in a sense it just in a sense boxing fans like myself it was very difficult first to get the fights that we wanted to see.

49:44So many fighters weren't willing to take chances. They don't want to protect the zero. Yeah. But Turkey's not going to be able to change those fighters' minds. You don't think so? It's up to the fighter to decide that I may lose my O, but me proving how great I think I am is more important than that. Right. And I did that before Turkey got here. And not that Turkey's not a great thing for boxing. Right, right. But I'm just saying him coming along doesn't necessarily mean that he's going to be able to change everybody's mind. He didn't change Terrence Crawford's mind because Terrence has been doing that.

50:24He didn't change Usyk's mind because Usyk's been wanting to do that. You know what I mean? Yes, sir. And so. I like that.

50:30Ocho:I like what you said. Yeah. Chad, listen to what he said. Greatness is not tied to a zero. See, people have tied boxes. A lot of boxes have tied greatness to undefeated. Sugar Ray Leonard and Hearns and Hagler and Ali and Foreman and Frazier, they fought the best because I believe I'm great. Whatever happens, I believe I'm great. And if you think you can beat me, then let's get out there and roll the dice. Let's prove it. Let's prove it. And, you know, not all – there's fights before – let's say before Turkey came along. There's fights that haven't gotten made. Some of those may be because of powers that be.

51:08But I can assure you that a lot of it is because there are certain fighters that don't want to get in there and be proven wrong. Right. And they're only going to fight fighters who they know they can prove themselves right against. Yes. But that's not greatness. Right. That's the witness protection program.

51:26Ocho:If you think about it, let's say, you know what, I can fight somebody that really challenged me. And there's a chance I could lose. And I could lose. I could make$20 million. or I can fight this guy I know I can beat in May 12. Give me that 12. Yeah. Give me that 12. Yeah. And in the meantime, I'll continue to grow my brand as a fighter, my personal brand. I'll continue, you know what I mean? By the time I do lose, I've made$300 million. I'm cool. I'll just walk away. Do you think one of the reasons that fighters don't want to take a chance of having a zero, you think it affects them being the A side, affects their purse, affects the kind of money they're able to command when it comes to, you know, big-name fights?

52:02Yeah, there's fighters out there. Like, for instance, you know, I lost my last fight. I'm still one of the most popular fighters in boxing, right? But you're a draw. You're different. But I'm a draw. You're a draw. I'm not saying my team is doing this to me. By no means am I saying that. I'm saying there's other people out there who work in boxing who will tell a fighter, we'll try to convince him otherwise. Oh, you lost, so you're not a big draw. So now we're going to pay you this instead of that. When you do put asses in seats, and again, I'm not talking about me personally, But there's people out there who try to convince fighters otherwise.

52:33So that's one reason they try to play it safe. Okay. Is there a fight out there that you want?

52:43That ain't a fight, man. Yeah, it is. Is it? Yeah, why not? Give the people what they want. Add to chat. That's what they want to see. Caleb Plant versus Ocho. That's what they want. Yeah. You don't think so? I ain't heard it.

52:59Ocho:I ain't heard it. But he's listening for it. I mean, hey, we can make it happen. He said we. I train with Caleb, man. No, I'm saying I train. Tell him we train together. Ran his ass out the gym on day one. Ran him out the gym on day one. Out the gym on day one. Yeah. Listen, I'm just. You've got to go in camp, in different camps so I can. So you take a little something for everything. No, but that's something that I respect about Ocho is, you know, like, he's accomplished everything and done everything that he has in his respective field. And then for him to come over to such a dangerous, treacherous sport, and really care about the fighters that really come be a part of our camps and not just talk about it, but get out there.

53:41And I've seen him do road work with fighters. I've seen him sparrow fighters. I've seen him, you know, hit the bag. And a lot of us were in positions where that's like the only way we could even stay alive. Right. But it's the same for him. You know what I'm trying to say? It's like I can appreciate someone who can come from a different field and not have to be a part of boxing. And he doesn't have to do that when he's out there doing it. And he's in the trenches. He's been in the trenches with us. Taking it serious. But he still stands no chance. Zero. No, I'm finna fight Andre Ward. Yeah? Yeah.

54:14No, he's gonna say what? You're not on my side? I didn't say that. I'm keeping my calm. Okay. What was you about to say?

54:23Ocho:This fight, Canelo Crawford, this is, you know, a fight that people really want to see. And we haven't had a whole lot of those, Caleb. Is that why you think we're seeing a lot more of the exhibitions? I asked Jim Gray this earlier. We're starting to see a lot more exhibitions and guys making$10,$15,$20 million doing exhibitions. So you might have to go in there to exhibitions. Would you get in there with Jake Paul? Yeah, I mean. That wouldn't be fair. But you killed Jake Paul, man. No, I do want to say something about Jake, though. He's bringing eyes. It's similar somewhat to me talking about Ocho, you know.

55:01Everything he's accomplished, everything he's done, all the money he's made, and then for him to step into a sport like boxing and put that work in with people like Coach Wade and Jay Leon and all them guys, he doesn't have to do that. And I thought, man, he lost to Tommy Fury. Like, we're about to find out if he really wants to do this or not or if he was just riding the wave. And sure enough, he stuck around. And, you know, he doesn't have amateur experience, so he is using some of these guys to gain that experience as he steps up. But, you know, you do have to tip your hat to a guy like that.

55:30Right.

55:31Ocho:But your fight. So this is the biggest fight we've had in a while. And we don't get big fights like we used to. We used to get big fights down there every other month, at least two to three times a year. This is the biggest fight that we've had in 25. So who would you like to fight that, you know, is like, okay, man, we're going to come out, man. We need to see this. We need to see this Caleb Plant fight. We need to see. This is what we need. This is what we need to tune in for. Yeah, I think me and Berlinga. Yeah. You know, that's the fight that I've been calling for. You know, I think me and Charlo.

56:03You know, that's another fight that people have been calling for. Yeah, yeah, I like that. Wait, where's Charlo? Jamal. Jamal. Yeah, 160, and now he's moved up to 68. And belt or no belt, you know, that's a big fight. Because it's the fighters who make the fights big.

56:18Ocho:Correct. That's a good one. But a lot of times people say, well, if I ain't fighting for the belt, why the hell am I fighting? You fight to be great. You fight for legacy. And, you know, my dad used to say people like, legacy or money. The legacy fights are the big money fights. Is this a legacy fight? How much money do you think is attached to this fight? All my biggest fights, all my legacy fights have been my biggest money fights. you can get both but they try to frame it like legacy or money right you can get one you can get both in the same night yeah i mean if you go back and if you look at all the historically what we think are great fighters from sugar ray robinson to muhammad ali to uh sugar ray leonard armstrong whoever they lost bernard duran got about what 16 losses yes he does he horsehands uh he went Now, Duran went like 85-0, and then he started losing.

57:14Ocho:But when you look at it, though, Caleb, when you look at these guys, it's that the O has become so prevalent. And Floyd, and so not everybody thinks they're going to be Floyd Mayweather. Even if you retire undefeated, people are not going to look at you like they look at Floyd Mayweather. And not to mention you messing up right off the rip if you're trying to be somebody else. Because guarantee, you know, you guys probably had influences and guys you looked up to in the NFL. But you weren't trying to be them. You were trying to be Sharon Sharks. You were trying to be Ocho Cinco. And if you spent your whole career trying to be this guy, trying to be that guy, we wouldn't even be talking right now.

57:50Correct. You're right. You'd be making me a hamburger right now.

57:56Ocho:Ain't that right? So you won't plan. We can put this together. I can kind of have my people call his people. We can put a five-round exhibition. Not five. That's disrespectful. I've been doing this for six years now. He can't even count to five. Ten. You want ten rounds? Okay, we'll do ten two-minute rounds. Nah, ten. That's disrespectful to the sport. Look, we'll do one-minute round, three-minute rest for you. Nah, I don't need no rest. I ain't stopped training since we trained here in Vegas. I'll still be going, yeah. I'm on year six now. So what weight are we going to fight at? How much you weigh?

58:30We can catch weight.

58:32Ocho:What you weigh? Right now? Yeah. Like 230? You're lying. No, I am. You're lying. Feel my arm. You got a string hanging from his shirt. Oh, that's your arm. I thought I had a string hanging from his shirt.

58:48Ocho:We do 68. 68. He can't get that. I mean, he 185. He might only do 75. Can you meet him in the middle? I'm 205. No way he can make a 68 with a noggin like that. No, he ain't making no 68. I wouldn't make that. 75. He probably about 88 now, so he might can come to 75. I'm 205. He ain't going to 60. I knew you wasn't 230. You're 205. I'm 205. Okay. Now, I'm going to focus on Andre Ward. I'm going to focus on Ward. You won't even make it to me, brother.

59:25Ocho:So, if you have to handicap this fight, it goes a distance, somebody ending it. I mean, so we go into the scorecards. How does this thing play out? Man. He got out boxing. That's it. He's going to have to be all the way in, be all the way out, be smart, not exchange in the mid-range too much. And it's hard to say. You know, for me, like, I always give the boring answer of we're just going to have to see. But when you have two great fighters in there, you can guess what you think might happen. But that's really all it is at the end of the day. Right. You know what I'm saying? Terrence had a fight like that before with somebody.

1:00:07no one could guess that things were going to go down like that. Right, right.

1:00:10Ocho:Him and Spence. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You can guess, but, you know, broken clocks, right, twice a day, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. I think it's best that we just let the fighters get in there and show us what it is. I like it. The question that everybody asks, can he take his power? Once he feels his power, will he retreat? Canelo, I mean, when was the last time Canelo stopped somebody? And people are like, well, can Canelo stop somebody? But normally Canelo is fighting people at 68. He's fighting people, you know, 68 or above when he fought Bobo. But now he's fighting a much smaller man, and he feels that he can sit down even more on those punches.

1:00:49Ocho:And does he try? It's like I can really, really make a name for myself if I get bud up out of here. Yeah. And there's a chance of that happening. I think that's why everyone's intrigued. Now, is it going to happen? We don't know. Now, another thing is, you know, Canelo's got a great chin. He's been hurt by Miguel Cotto's brother like 15 years ago, but he hasn't been rocked much since then. I was about to say that Canelo can't clip. I mean, Crawford can't clip Canelo. Yeah. He can, but we also have to remember, even though Canelo is the harder puncher, it's not in boxing, it's not about who's the harder puncher.

1:01:25It's about who lands the harder punch. Right?

1:01:28Ocho:In timing, yeah. You know what I mean? He has some battles with Golovkin. Yeah. And Golovkin hit him with some – how he didn't go down from some of those shots that Triple G hit him with, I still don't know. And, you know, even like Berling is saying, he hits harder than Canelo. But when they fought, he didn't land the harder punch. Right. Right. You know what I mean? And landing the harder punch takes time and distance, rhythm, IQ, you know, trap setup. So just because you hit harder. Walk somebody into something, move it in a direction, and you catch them clean. It's a shot that you're not expecting.

1:02:04Anthony Durrell hits harder than me, right?

1:02:06Ocho:Right. Oh. So. Okay, LaPlante, ladies and gentlemen, he said, hey, you're going to have to watch this fight to find out who wins. But he said he can take Ocho. Easy word. I recommend 10 two-minute rounds. 10 two-minute rounds. Five two-minute rounds. Way good to see you back and low. Yes, sir. 2.30 my ass. You want to feel it? No.

1:02:57I can go. No, we got a run club in L.A. I can do it. Okay. Next weekend. And we got one at the end of October here in Las Vegas. It's a couple days before ComplexCon. How many miles? It's 5K, 3.1. That's good. At our own pace. It's for the community, brother. I like that. Yeah. I'll come. All right. I'll come support. I'm going to hit you up. Oh, I'm so glad you're here. You have a Revenge Tour leather jacket? The vest? The vest, yeah. You like that, huh? I text you. Can I have it? I want to wear it to the fight. Revenge Tour, baby. Plug it in. What is it? Revenge Tour. I'm going to get you right.

1:03:37No, I'm serious. I want to wear it to the fight if I can. I'll pay for it. Okay. All right. Actually, I only got one. The rest of them are not in the city. Okay. All right. I'll wait. Not until Saturday. They don't get here in time. But I'll have you one before the end of the year. All right. I got you. Yeah. On me. On me. Appreciate you, bro. No, no, no. I'm paying. I'm paying. I'm paying.

1:03:56Ocho:Thank you. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. For real. Where Tarva at? That was Kayla Plant, ladies and gentlemen. Ocho, I don't think you're going to make it. What Tarva? You see him? Oh, yeah, he had the table over there. I'm intrigued. I'm excited. Kayla Plants says, look, he needs to be all the way out or all the way in. Nothing mid-range. Nothing that he can find himself on the end of a punch that Canelo has set down on. Yes, sir. There's something to be said. Canelo is the bigger man. He's used to fighting at this weight. I think the thing is that fighting 12 three-minute rounds at that weight, walking around at 168 is one thing.

1:04:47Ocho:Being in a fight where you have to mentally focus in, which burns a lot of energy. You've got to move, which burns energy. You've got to throw punches, which burns energy. Those are some of the questions that we're not going to be able to find out until Saturday night. Yeah, until it happens. Like Caleb said, we can speculate, well, I think this or I think that, but at the end of the day, we're not going to know until team round one, round two, where hopefully it goes far enough so we can see how this thing plays out. And the funny thing, too, about the fight is Canelo, I'm sure he's watched film on Crawford.

1:05:26Crawford has watched film on Canelo, and you can watch as much as you want, and you get in there and it'll be completely different round by round. Nothing is ever the same.

1:05:34Ocho:I think the biggest thing is what Bud told us. He says, I watch tape, but I do realize this. That guy's not going to fight me like he fought them because those guys he was fighting isn't me. Canelo knows Bud is not going to fight him like he fought those other guys because those guys aren't him. He's never fought somebody that – Okay, when they go into the ring on Saturday night, Canelo might be 190. Yeah. Canelo probably walks around at 195. 95, 200 ,000 pounds. That's possible. That's possible. But a fighter's style doesn't change. No, no, no. Even though you have a different opponent in front of you.

1:06:11Tendencies, movement. Yes. All that stuff still stays the same. Whatever skill set you have, it doesn't miraculously change from opponent to opponent. No, that doesn't. But how I'm going to fight that opponent. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:06:23Ocho:And you do know styles make fights. Yes. I mean, look, you fighting a guy that's big. Now, all of a sudden, you're going up against a DB. And he don't got feet well, you know, you gonna ride him up all day long You understand you got a little DB out there. That's a hundred and seventy pounds like man I'm gonna do I would do whatever I want to do with you. I might get physical with you I might do whatever cuz I can't I can't you can't do anything about it. Yes, but a guy that's big and rangy and physical You're doing everything you can not to let him put his hands on you Yeah, cuz that's the one thing that ban is that he has if he touches you now You're not like Julio Julio uh uh brandon marshall uh uh uh to yes they wanted the guy because they wanted they wanted to do this yes yeah yeah you uh i'm trying i'm dancing i i'm you're not putting your hands on me right right but uh it's gonna be a very intriguing fight it's gonna be a very very interesting fight and i'm anxious to see how this thing plays out i said one thing i do know bud is gonna be bud is in shape.

1:07:26Ocho:Bud is Bud. And I'm anxious to see. He's like, look, I've been fighting all my life. I haven't been hit before. And that's the whole point of it. The likelihood of you going into a fight and not get hit. Only Roy Jones has only been in a fight one time in CompuBox era that's ever had a fight and didn't get hit. But the likelihood of you getting involved in a fight, and that's the thing that makes fighting so interesting. Because anything can happen. You get clipped, it changes the whole trajectory of that fight. Everybody has a puncher's chance. Yes. Yes. And everybody has an idea or a plan of how things are going to play out.

1:08:04Ocho:It's going to play out like this. But then what happens if early on it's not going your way? Can you still relax? And adjust. So that's what's going to be interesting. It's going to be interesting to see. We're waiting on Tarv. He's finishing up over there. He's going to join us here shortly. uh it's gonna be because here's a guy that that fought it tarvin fought it sick i think tarvin broke in at 68 end up going at light one to light heavy so it's gonna be very interesting to see how this thing plays how it shapes up but i the buzz you're starting to feel the electricity of of of a fight of this magnitude yeah um you know i don't know if you came to the uh uh the spence crawford fight no no i didn't i didn't i came to the spence crawford i saw that it was crazy huh yeah yeah but people had wanted that right people people had wanted to see uh uh because you know hey 47 spence was was great at 47.

1:09:05Ocho:um bud so we got two great fighters going locking horn right that's what we that's what we want to see i love what caleb plant said is that Sometimes greatness is not about a zero. It's about putting, it's about legacy. It's about fighting the best to prove. Right. Because you don't know. Yeah. You won't know. Until you get in there. Until you get in there. But again, his mentality is a little different. He's taking those chances. Yes. He stepped in with a Benavidez. He stepped in with a Canelo. Yes. Other fighters at 168 or 154, whatever it may be, they don't want to fight great on great. No.

1:09:41They just don't.

1:09:42Ocho:And then they look at it. Man, look at it. I ain't lost. Bro, but you ain't really fault nobody. Yeah. I mean, we don't hold it against Ali. We don't hold it against Foreman. We don't hold it against Sugar Ray, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Roberta Duran. Yeah. We don't sweep Pete Whitaker. We don't hold that against them. But you have to understand, their era of boxing is different. That's like we talk about football. Yes. Football was different back in the days. When those guys you just mentioned were fighting, the mindset was different. This era, completely different era of boxing. Money, with that level of money has become involved.

1:10:15Ocho:That's why you don't see guys play in the preseason. That's why they changed the training camp rules. So much money has become involved. Now you're like, I'm not taking any unnecessary risk with my players. And so it's going to be very interesting to see. Hold on. Tom.

1:10:36Ocho:Oh, he's taking a point. Oh, he's getting ready to go to 520.

1:10:47Ocho:But I'm geeked. I'm pumped for this fight. I wish more guys. I would like to see Shakur and Teofimo Lopez. I'd like to see Shakur and Tank. Okay, yeah. What I don't want to do, though, as much as I want to see the great fights, I don't want the great fights to happen too soon. Because if the great fights happen too soon, then there's nothing to look forward to. I want to see Jerron Boots Ennis and Virgil Ortiz. At some point, I think a fight of that magnitude is going to happen. That's box office stuff. And they have no problem with fighters continuing to build their resume. So people want to see those big fights.

1:11:20Oh, so these guys in their prime. What are we waiting for? I mean, if Tank and Shakur fight right now, then what's next after the fight's over? Hey, who else is in that division? I mean, that's going to have that kind of draw. Like, that's the cream of the crop when it comes to draws.

1:11:37Ocho:Think about when Sugar Ray fought Tommy Hearns in 81. Oh, it's 81. We in 2025, baby. But I'm saying they fought early. Right. And they fought and they kept fighting. They fought. Then here come Duran. I see what you mean. Here come Marvin Hagler. So a one, two, and three. Yes. Okay, okay, okay. Yes. But also, you have to understand the timing and when they fight. Right. To where you can maximize your purse, too. Yes. So it's a chess match, man. I think that's what guys are doing. They're maximizing the purpose. Yes, yes. They're taking – they're not – guys are unwilling to take a risk. Yeah. Yeah.

1:12:15Ocho:They're unwilling to take a risk. And if you're not willing to take a risk, it's – I don't know why you got in the sport then. I need that zero. I need to feed my fame. I need to feed my family. I need to take care of myself. I'm going to take care of my wife, my kids. I can't have a zero because if I have a zero, I mean, if I have an L, one loss or two losses, then I can't command the kind of money I want to. I won't be the A side. I won't be able to pick and choose who I want to fight, when I want to fight. All that changes once you lose. Unless you are a draw. There are certain people, win or loss, you're a draw.

1:12:57Ocho:Yes. The people just want to see you fight. Less like Tyson. Yeah. Even after he got beat by Buster Douglas, people still was paying. He was still getting$25,$30 million a fight. Yes. Yeah. When he lost to Holyfield the first time, guess what? Even after he lost to Holyfield and he got suspended, they still paid big-time money to see him fight Landis Lewis. Yeah. Absolutely. You know who else is a draw like that? Who that? Adrian Broner. When Broner was losing. Yeah. He was still a draw. He going to put butts in the seat, whether you like him or not. Chat, whether you like him or not, Adrian Broner will put butts in the seats.

1:13:34It's exciting. For one, he going to lead you with the talk. You never know what's going to happen because it's unpredictable. So, I mean, it is what it is. I hope my young bull gets himself together, man, and get back in the ring.

1:13:49Well, that's where they got amped over there. I thought that was somebody was getting amped and throwing some bows. but uh so today is what today thursday yeah so we two you know 48 50 but basically 60 hours away

1:14:10Ocho:60 hours from the fight i'm excited so it's be it's interesting basically it's like the super bowl it's like all the work all the training camp all that's all that's done until now yeah now look Hey, get off your feet. Relax. You know, you're relaxing. You're monitoring your weight. Yeah. You're monitoring your calves that you're putting in. The weigh-in's going to be what? The weigh-in's going to be Friday. You going to the weigh-in? The weigh-in's going to be here, aren't they? Oh, is it here? I don't know. I don't think it's going to be at Allegiant's. It might be at Allegiant's. because it's too many people come to the way and for it to be here.

1:14:56Ocho:Yeah, true. It'll probably be at Allegiant. It'll probably be at Allegiant Stadium. That's going to be nice. I know that that's probably such a tedious process too. Once you come out of camp, like maybe a week before the fight, you tone everything down and you're relaxing. Yes. That got to be tedious. You got to watch what you eat. You know, you can't, you know. You're drinking. You got to know how much water you're in. because they probably load up, probably like, and then all of a sudden they just gradually take it down. Take it down. Yeah. That's why, you know, they're not doing a whole lot of talking.

1:15:31Ocho:Yeah. They just, now you just, it's that mental focus of getting ready. You know, you're trying to play this thing out in your head of what's going to actually happen. You know, the trap I can possibly spring here. I know where he's trying to lead me. Yeah. And that's the thing, because you constantly, you can't have one slip up. one slip-up and it turns the lights out. Yeah. You got to be on your P's and your Q's for basically, you got to be sharp. Yeah, the whole time. And you're thinking one thing and he might be trying to walk you into the trap. Yeah, and you know what the funny thing is too?

1:16:06What I love about boxing, if you pay attention and you understand what fighters are doing when you're watching, is you can set a trap in the first round and it really won't try to execute it to round four. Yep. I love it. Canelo has some tricks that he's a savvy veteran. He has some tricks that he does. I'm hoping Bud doesn't fall for it, always stay up in the high guard. Because the first thing people do is when some of the stuff that Canelo does, he had throw it out there. Because the first thing you do is you flinch the opposite way in which that goes. Right. Just little stuff like that. Yeah.

1:16:40Ocho:That's the thing. They're going to be trying to faint. Yeah.

1:16:46Ocho:Bud is an outstanding boxer. Yeah. Bud has power. And when Bud gets you in trouble. Yeah. Oh, he see blood in the water? And we saw that with Spence. Yeah. But Spence is a smaller man. Can he get Canelo in trouble? Yeah. And if he gets Canelo in trouble, can he pull the plug and turn the power out? Hey. I'm thinking about some of the bigger fighters Triple G Triple G Triple G hit him with some shots I still don't know It was like Rock 'em Sock 'em Robot Man, I thought You remember Rock 'em Sock 'em Robot? Yeah Yeah Yeah, you pop his head up Yeah I was like Hold on Bavall hit him with some shots When he went up to 175 And he didn't go down Nope He didn't go down And he's a much more powerful man A much bigger man But here's the thing They can't put power They can't put shots together like Crawford Hayden.

1:17:46Ocho:No, no, no, no, no. So that's the thing. In the process of hitting him, now maybe then he doesn't pack, maybe Bud doesn't pack the punch. Right. But instead of one shot, what if he lands three or four of those? Four, yeah. But then also you think about someone landing three or four shots on Canelo whose defense is elite, whose head move is elite, even though he's not swift with his footwork, but he's great defensively. Right. Very great. So it's going to be interesting. I mean, you hadn't seen a whole lot of people put three, four shots together on Canelo. Because if you go back and look at Floyd, when Floyd was catching and Floyd was 1-2.

1:18:23Ocho:1-2, yeah, that's it. And out. Floyd was like 1-2 out. Because the thing is, if you hang too long, you're going to get bit. Yeah, yeah. So, hey, let me throw this 1-2, move out of harm's way. Yeah. I'm excited. I think everybody's excited to see this. It's been a while since we've had something of this magnitude. And then guess what? And we're back tonight, Ocho. We got nightcap tonight. We got a great football game. Oh, yeah, we got Commanders Packers. Yes. Commanders Packers, that's going to be a really good game. That's going to be a really good game. A really good game. Really good game. Do we have any?

1:19:04Ocho:but if you and plus Ocho the question that I have Bud really hadn't fought but like Bud fought he fought Spence in July of 23 yeah he fought this other fighter so he's only fought twice in two years yeah but I think for someone like Bud Bud, a fight a year is good. A fight a year is good. I would think, depending on us, unless you're trying to stay, unless you're trying to do tune-ups, continuously tune-ups until you get a big fight, not that much damage. No, no, no, no. At this point, now Bud is beyond tune-ups. Yeah. But when Bud fights, it has to mean something. It has to make sense. It needs to be a huge payday or there needs to be a title attached to it.

1:19:55Ocho:and he's looking at it. I'm looking at guys. He's looking at guys 47. Yeah. Who am I going to fight at 47? I'm not going down to 40 because, you know, Tank and Shakur and Boots and Rhodes. Come on, man. Yeah. And they're not coming up going 47 to see me. And I don't even know if Bud wants to be at 147 anymore. He might want to step to 54. But ain't no money. Who was at 54? No money. Who at 54? Well, ain't no money. There's some fighters at 154, but not the purse. But here's the thing. Who is he going to fight? Because he just ain't going to just fight some.

1:20:37What's up, baby? Antonio Tarver. I'm going to beat his ass, too.

1:20:46Ocho:I'm looking for an exhibition, bro. I think we good. Yo, you good? Ocho, we're going to announce this shit right now. Yeah. We're going to announce this shit right now. Ten two-minute rounds. Two minutes. That's what you need. No, three minutes. Three minutes. Three? Three, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no. Listen, he done showed me too much. I used to train with Tava, too. I trained him. Yeah. I trained him. I trained with everybody. That's good, too. Yeah, I appreciate you. That's how I know I'm with you. Okay. You see right here. My man, I appreciate y 'all. I appreciate you. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, what's up, baby?

1:21:16Ocho:Man, I'm just doing them back. You feel me on that desk? I'm excited, bro. Two of the best fighters in the game today, bar none. Yes. pound for pound. This is it. You feel me? Man, I'm expecting the unexpected. Really? I'm expecting the unexpected, bro. I'm expecting the unexpected. Talk me through how you expect the unexpected, because we know what Canelo can do. Bud is coming up to weight classes. They have weight classes for a reason. You know I understand the game based on what you told me. The work we've put in the past few years. So I got a better understanding of it. Why they're weight classes?

1:21:50Why do you expect the unexpected? Skills. technique, all that, I think it trumps the weight. I have a question. I think it trumps the weight. We've seen Canelo get outclassed in a boxing clinic, offensively and defensively, when he fought Floyd Mayweather. Yes, yes. That's a different kind of skill. I haven't seen any skill like that. The closest thing I've seen to that, no disrespect to Bud, is Shakur Stevenson. Right, okay. Defensively and offensively. Okay. Do you think Bud has the type of skill set to be able to get in there with someone at 168 and be able to pull off something similar to what Mayweather did to Canelo, even though their style of fighting is different.

1:22:31Ocho:Yeah, yeah. He's the two-fisted monster, bro. That's the thing. You don't know if he's South or Orthodox. No, he knocking you out with right and left. He's a natural South Park, but he got power in the right. In both hands. And that's so unique, bro. I was a hell of a South Park. But everybody knew it was in my left. Can you imagine if I had him worrying about the right two? So I think that is something that Canelo hasn't experienced before. And Terrence can punch. Now, he don't weigh as much as Canelo, but the way he looked, could he possibly be stronger than Canelo? Because we know he cocked strong anyway.

1:23:15Ocho:Anyway, he's wrestling with you. You feel me? Yes. So once you feel that innate strength, bro, you know it's something different. It's something different about Cross. But then also you think about what Canelo's been through. You think of some of the wars Canelo's been through. He's fought the ball. Long career since 14, 15 years old, professional. Right. But then you think about the punch and power that Bud might possess. Can't even hurt Canelo based on what we've seen when he fought Triple G. Based on what we've seen when he put the ball, who pieced him up over and over and over, even with his slickness that he wants with his defense.

1:23:44He was still getting hit, hitting flush. And we've never seen Canelo get defeated like that. It seemed like he was outmatched trying to go play class. So do you really think Bud has the power to really affect someone of that size who's been through some wars already with Triple G and Vavol?

1:24:01Ocho:If he can't hurt Canelo, it's going to be hard to beat him. It's going to be hard to beat him. If he can't get his respect. Okay. You've got to get this man respect in the first three rounds or it's going to be nightmares anyway. Coming forward. Right. You've got to give him something to think about. Because if you don't, you ain't going to be able to stop him. You feel me? Now, if Canelo is having success to the body early, that spells trouble for Crawford. Because that body don't work. You hit him early in the first round, you ain't going to start feeling that in round three and four. You heard me.

1:24:33Ocho:But when you start feeling it, bro, you can be in the best shape. But them body shots will take your conditioning away from you. But see, now you got to be disciplined to do that. And I think if Canelo is having success to the body, that favors Canelo. If Crawford is making him miss and making him pay, that favors Crawford. Now we got to see how it's going to play out. Yes, sir. With that being said, basically the formula to Bud winning this fight is basically just outboxing Canelo. Matador and the Bull. Bingo. Matador and the Bull all day. You heard me? Caleb Plant says, look, he can fight two styles.

1:25:11Ocho:He can be all the way in or he can be all the way out. But stay away from the mid-range. Because the mid-range, you don't want to be on the end of one of those punches where he's sat down. Canelo sits down on his punches because he's trying to get you up out of there. Yeah, yeah. But I don't know if he's fought somebody that can put punches together like Bud can. That's what I'm saying. Other than Mayweather. Right. And that's been a while. And that's been a long time. Yeah. But Bud can put punches together. And Bud got power. He got power. We don't know if he has power to knock somebody that's 168.

1:25:40Ocho:Right. Natural 168. I believe Canelo probably walks around at 195, 200. He strips it down to 168. But he's a walk-around man at 195, 200. Wow. Here's another thing. Bud is a big. Bud stripped down to 147. Bud was a. Back then, we could call him a weight bullet now because we know he was killing himself to make weight. Yes. Look at his legs now. Yes. You feel me? I think he might be in his more comfortable weight. I do, too. Okay. What I told people when I see Floyd, they said, man, Floyd, I said, Floyd is a naturally small man. Floyd losing five pounds to make 147. He wasn't 50 to begin with. He didn't make weight in two days.

1:26:22Ocho:Because Floyd trained year-round, and he's not a naturally big man. So he didn't allow himself to fluctuate, to go from 147, and then two days later, he wasn't 75. Floyd was a naturally small man. So he never had to kill himself to make weight. Now I agree with you. I don't believe Bud is having to kill himself to make him 168. He's comfortable. He's coming down from 190 to go to 168. It's a whole different thing from 190 to 140. Right, yeah. Night and day. Yeah.

1:26:55Ocho:Caleb, like I said, Caleb said stay on the outside. Stay all the way in, in the pocket. Smother the punches. Smother the punches. Yeah. Be at a distance. Be all the way on the outside. All the way on the outside. Nothing mid-range. If you were in Crawford's corner after the first round, you see how this thing, because it's going to be interesting because they have an idea of how it's going to play out. But you won't know. Obviously, you want to feel each other out. But after that first round, you have a pretty good indication of how this thing's going to go. Right. What would you tell, if you were in Bud's corner, what would you tell him?

1:27:29Ocho:It's important that we're going to have to make Canelo miss. I'm coming on my defense. I ain't running, but I'm using my defense, making him miss and making him pay if I can. But it's important that he don't get greedy. Yes. Get yours and get on out of there. Right. Pick and choose. You can't stay too long because this boy got power. And stay off the goddamn ropes. He got to stay off the ropes. Oh, yeah. We can't see him on the ropes at all. No. Now, Canelo do a lot of good work in the center of the ring. Everybody think he's just a pressure fighter. No. But look at how he set that uppercut up against Munguil.

1:28:01Ocho:Yeah. And then he knocked Berlanga down with that left hook. He's quick, bro. And so you can't let him line you up with one shot. That's one thing Crawford ain't going to be able to do. He got to see everything coming and anticipate everything coming. Don't get set with one of them traps that was set. Because he's sitting down. And the thing is, like, when you watch, I've watched great defensive fighters. And Crawford got good defense. I'm not saying he's Sweet Pea Whitaker. I'm not saying he's Floyd Mayweather. But guys would throw a punch and Florida's already moving And he's already doing this because he know He's coming back with this And I'm out of here on back That's what Bud's going to have to do But Canelo don't really piece together He's not three, four, five punch guy He's sitting down on one He's trying to get one One or two Yes It's a hard one or two He's trying to break everything The question is is that walking around at a weight is one thing.

1:29:04Ocho:Being mentally sharp takes conditioning. Moving takes conditioning. Throwing punches take conditioning. The question is is Bud going to be able to sustain that for 12 rounds if necessary? He can if he's not getting touched to the body early. You feel me? He's going to have to protect himself from the body shots bro because that's going to take your conditioning. Now if you can't move, it's problems. It's problems. So if you see Canelo going successfully to the body early, that spells trouble for Crawford. So you said he can't be on the ropes. He can't be in the center of the ring. So he basically got to get on the ring.

1:29:42I mean, his advantage is in the center

1:29:45Ocho:of the ring. He got to give him angles. Don't run, but give him angles. Make him miss. Make him turn into you. That's the matter during the ball. Turn into you. Run him into something. There you go. Because we thought this, man, we thought this with Charlo. And then Charlo felt that power. Man, I don't want to look at this, man. And that still got to happen? He still going to have to feel that power and accept the fact, hey, I'm going to have to go through this. Yes. But if that changed your game plan, advantage Canelo. But, hey, when you was a little kid, your mom and your grandma told you that was hot.

1:30:19Ocho:You didn't believe it. You took it. Okay, I learned my lesson. Now, you said he filled that power one time. He still got to believe. That ain't hot. That's just my figment of my imagination. Because if Canelo makes him make, and Bud's not wired like that. No. Bud, I tell you what. Game face. He ain't going to show nothing. He ain't going to show that. Bud, he'll have to knock Bud out because Bud won't walk. Some guys you can make quit, and some guys you got to knock out. Bud, one of them guys you got to knock out. He ain't going to turn it down. He won't turn it down. He's not wired like that.

1:30:49Yeah, the funny thing about it, when I think about the fight as well, Bud has to stay active. there are rounds that Canelo takes off. Five through seven. He takes off relaxing. Those rounds need to be active and understanding he does it with everybody, no matter who he's fighting. And then you have to be willing to take a punch to get one. You got to. You got to be willing to take one. That's the gambling part. You got to pick and choose when to do it. What punch am I trying to take, though? That's the chess move.

1:31:18Ocho:All the punches ain't the same, Carl. I'm a Pikachu. I ain't taking no uppercut. I ain't taking nothing that I can't see. That liver shot. No. That's nasty, bro. Hennick, you think Crawford got a chance? I think he got a big chance to win a decision. Now, if he can hurt Canelo, that puts the knockout in effect. Right, yeah. You know what I mean? I want to get you out of here on this one. When are we going to start seeing these fights again? Because Roy didn't have to give you another. Back then, the O was unimportant. It seems to be now the O is of the utmost importance. I don't want to fight somebody because if I fight somebody with an O, and I got an O and he got an O, that means somebody's going to leave the ring where they're not going to have their O.

1:32:04Ocho:And people are tying greatness, too much greatness to O. Everybody thinks they're going to be Floyd Mayweather, but I want to share these boxes now. Even if you retire undefeated, you're not going to be Floyd Mayweather. I agree with that. I think it's just I never, bro, was trying to protect nothing. I was trying to get it and prove that I'm that guy. I'm him. And the only way you can do that is fight those guys ranked above you. You feel me? And if those guys ain't ranked above you, then what we doing? I'm trying to move up. And the only way I can move up is fight somebody that's ranked above me.

1:32:38Ocho:We don't got enough of that, though, Natar. I know, man. Something happened in the game where, I don't know, bro. It's like you say risk over reward, but nobody taking no risk anymore, bro. You know what I like? I like the fact that Turkey is now in boxing, and because he's bringing such a bigger reward, people are willing to take the risk. Take a chance, yes, sir. That's it. That's it. But here's the thing. If I got an opportunity to fight somebody I know I can beat and I can make 15 or I can fight somebody that has a 50-50 chance and make 30, I'm going to make that 15. I hear you. because now you look at me, it used to, losses didn't matter in boxing.

1:33:17Ocho:Yeah. With Sugar Ray loss, with Hurd's loss, with Hagman loss, with Durant loss, with Ali loss, with Harmon, with Sweet B, it didn't matter. It didn't matter. Now all of a sudden if you lose, he ain't no good. That's a lie. I think Mayweather put that, he raised the ceiling on that. And I think that's where everybody. But you're not going to be Mayweather. I know, bro. And like even Mayweather undefeated though. He's never been undisputed. Right. You feel me? Yeah. And if this man can win undisputed for the third time, bro, I'm giving him the GOAT. I don't care who you is. And the four-bell there.

1:33:50Ocho:Peter GOAT, bro. Yeah. And he beat Saul Canelo Alvarez. Let's do it. Bro, got to take your hat off to him, man. Legacy cemented. Antonio Tarvin, ladies and gentlemen. Man, I appreciate you, guys. Thanks for having me, man. Let me get on, bro. Bring me the neck. Bring me up. Whenever you're ready. Whenever you're ready. Let's see. Y 'all get the cap. I got you. Let's do the recap. Yeah. All right. I got you. Do the recap. I got it. God bless you. What's up? Stay up, man. Good for you, bro. I got it. To honor our country on its 250th birthday, this can of Copenhagen goes out to those defending the free American soil that our tobacco has taken root in for over two centuries and counting.

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