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22:20Ocho:So you're asking him to take two to five pounds off and be at weight. So when he comes in, I bet when Florida would refuel, Florida probably weighed 149, 150 and a half. So that's why it was nothing for him. He's like, man, I got to go to 154. Well, hell, he walked around at 155. All he had to do is drop a half a pound. Yeah, that's it. So he doesn't have to do this crazy stuff and take all that weight off him and do all this crazy stuff. He doesn't have to do that. Yeah. Look, I think Bud, you know, Vargas Jr. said he think Bud would walk around at 75. I think Bud probably walks around at 85.

22:56Ocho:Yeah. But Canelo definitely walks around at 200. None of the way to 200. Big boy. Yes. He was telling us, I basically said my bad, y 'all don't gain no weight. I look at food. It makes the fighters gain weight. So it's going to be very interesting to see. I'm excited. How long or will we notice the conditioning factor? Because at some point in time, I mean, you know, like we said, Ocho, sparring is one thing. Training camp is one thing. But now you're fighting in there where the guy is really trying to take your head off. Because when you spar, you've got headgear. Different ball game. It's a whole different ball game.

23:34Ocho:So I'm anxious to see this thing, how this thing really shapes out. Oh, yeah. What you thinking? I'm excited. I'm pulling for Bud. I'm pulling for Bud. I understand the sweet science, though. I understand there are weight classes for a reason. But I'm pulling for Bud to cement himself in history and do something that not many have done. The willingness to take a chance at making history is commendable. It is. It is? Oh, for sure. I can't wait. I can't wait. I'm excited. I hope he executes his game plan. I hope he does. I'm pulling for him. And sometimes don't you look. You can execute perfect and still not be perfect.

24:20Yeah, might not be enough. Your perfect might not be enough on that night. Especially with them damn judges out here. But don't get me started. Them judges out here in Vegas.

24:31Ocho:I think, what do you call them? I think, can Bud clip it? Can Bud hurt Canelo? Clipping, yes. Hurt him? He wasn't even hurt with Triple G. I think because he wasn't hurt with Bavon. You remember the movie Predator? Yeah. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Oh, the old one. Yeah, the Predator. And he saw that green stuff on the leaves. He said if he'll bleed, we can kill him. Yeah. I remember that part. I remember that part. I remember that part. But that's the one with the one from Rocky. Yeah. Action Jack. Carl Weathers. Carl Weathers. Yeah, Carl Weathers. That's the thing. Bud's going to have to be able to hurt him to see that he can beat him.

25:20He can do it, yeah.

25:21Ocho:Anything to add a little bit more confidence. It's hard to a guy that size. And look, Bud is like the fight's going to play out how it's going to play out. Yeah. But it's hard for me to see a scenario where Bud thinks he can outpoint him.

25:41It's going to be difficult. I've seen one person outpoint Canelo. And that was Mayweather.

25:50Ocho:But that wasn't even close. That was Mayweather. Yeah. When he fought Breval, that was overpowering strength. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just overpower. You're fighting a bigger man. You're fighting a more powerful man. So that's why it looked like you were overwhelmed. If Bobal is going to the ring and one said, if I held, he weighed 210, 215. Probably. He coming down from 210, 215. Probably.

26:16Ocho:But at the end of the day, that's what it comes down to. It comes down to, look, we know Bud is skilled. We know Bud will fight. Bud will not retreat. And basically, in order for him to, if he feels that he's not going to run, that's not in his DNA. But you got to be smart. It's not a time for ego. This is not a time for pride. It's about IQ, ring IQ, being smart, engaging when necessary, setting traps, doing whatever you need to do to fight smart and win that fight by decision or everybody got to punch a chance. Yeah. I don't think you can get him out of there with one punch, but I think you can put punches together.

26:54No, no, no, no, no. And it has to be something he doesn't even realize is coming.

26:57Ocho:No. And that's the thing. That's what makes Bud dangerous. is that Bud is a natural lefty, but he has power in the right. And so he can fight out of the side-paw stance. He can fight out of the orthodoxy. And it's going to be very, very interesting to see this thing. Jim said this would be Holyfield Tyson's. Yeah. Because you've got two accomplished guys, very accomplished. Leon Spinks, when he beat Muhammad Ali, Spinks wasn't accomplished. Now, he wasn't an Olympic gold medalist. He and his brother, along with Sugar Ray, and I think Davis won the gold medal in 76 in Montreal. And so he hadn't had a whole lot of fights when he beat Muhammad Ali.

27:41Ocho:So he wasn't accomplished. He wasn't a champion boxer like Canelo. He wasn't a champion boxer like Bud. Bud is a two - in the four-blown era. He's the only - he's the first man to be undisputed in two weight classes. And we know what Canelo is. Yeah. He's the undisputed super middleweight. So we got two very accomplished fighters, but we got a guy that moved up basically three weight classes. Yeah. And if he were to beat him. You heard Tarver say he's immediately calling him the GOAT no matter what. You would have to. I think it would be bigger than Holyfield Tyson for the simple fact Holyfield didn't move up.

28:22Ocho:Holyfield was already fighting at the heavyweight division. Right. He had already fought Riddick Bowe. He had already fought George Foreman. He had already fought guys at that heavy Michael Moore. So he had already fought guys at that point. That Foreman fight was good. His first fight at 168 is against Canelo. Is that boy? Yes. He jumped. He pole vaulted 160. He didn't stop at 160. He went to 68 and basically just had one fight at 54 when he fought the best of his career at 47 or below. So this would be huge. This would be huge. And, you know, Roy beating Ruiz, I remember. Yeah. But nobody thought Ruiz was a great heavyweight.

29:09Well, he wasn't as decorated either. No. But the fact that Roy was able to go up to heavyweight and do it. Yes. And that, again, styles make fights. Yes. Roy had the style and the skill to be able to go to heavyweight and do just that. Right.

29:23Ocho:And the thing is, is that Roy had to gain weight. Roy, I mean, Roy was fighting at 68. So, you know, to go up to make 193. Right. Now, Roy probably walks around, probably was walking around at probably 180. Yeah, back then. Yeah.

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34:30Crazy power. What's up? What's up? What's wrong, bro? You skinny, bro. What's up, Dre? You good? You felt that when you hug me, huh? Ain't enough there. But these hands here, man. Where y 'all want me? Right there. Right there. You nervous? You handed him? Yeah. Chad asked him, he nervous. It ain't enough there, Chad. It's there. Chad, it ain't enough there, man. I'm 25, boy. I don't mean nothing. I'm 25.

34:56Ocho:Andre Ward joins the show. Drake It's been a long time since we had this kind of buzz about a fight. Yeah, we got buzz We got a guy that's basically pole vaulted three-way classes. Yeah to take on the ultimate challenge Yeah, and I don't think we have enough of those guys willing to take that challenge. Come on. Come on. Yeah. Yeah, come on All right. What up, man? Over there? Yeah. What's up? What's up, baby? You good? Yeah. You walking like you got a heel fish, man. Man, knees. That's the knees. That's the knees. That's that basketball, man. That ain't boxing. That's basketball. Yeah, it is.

35:32Ocho:I just told, it's been a while, Roy, since we had a fight that generate this kind of buzz. Right. We got a guy that basically pole vaulted three weight classes. He had one fight at 54. He pole vaulted 60. He landed at 68 to take the ultimate challenge. And I was telling Dre, I don't think we got enough of guys in this sport that's willing to take the challenge because everybody wants to keep this. They want to stay perfect. And everybody wants to be Floyd Mayweather. I said, even if you end your career and you ain't got no losses, people are not going to look at you like they look at Floyd Mayweather.

36:05Ocho:So stop trying to be Floyd and take on challenges like in the 80s when the four horsemen, the 70s, the heavyweights fought everybody. You didn't dunk nobody. Hagler fought Hearns. Hearns fought Durant. Durant fought Leonard. In the heavyweight, Ali fought Foreman. Foreman fought Brady. Fought Ken North. Fought Ron Lyle. Damn, Ernie Shabung. Go ahead and take that, Roy. Take that one. Take it. What he's saying? What he's saying? He's saying a lot. No, what he's saying, though? He's saying a lot. What he's saying about your boy? Which one? I ain't saying that. Anyway, why they picking on me today?

36:38Now you about to go. Why they picking on me today? I'm about to come out swinging. What it said is people don't care enough no more about being the GOAT or being the best. You know what I mean? You got to think about it. When you play football, you didn't want no other top-notch wide receiver on the other side. You didn't want nobody else top-notch on your team in your position. You wanted to be the man at that. Right? When I fought, I didn't want nobody close to what I was doing because I wanted to be the man. If I thought somebody was a weight class up or three weight class up, I got to go see him.

37:08I can't sleep at night if I don't go see him. I'm not that dude, but this is where we come from this time. This is our time. Right. We can't sleep at night if they think he can whoop me. And he couldn't sleep at night if they thought I could whoop him.

37:20Ocho:Right. You understand me? It's just not what a champion truly is built out of. You know, when I see Targo that night, he just left him. Yeah. He know deep down in my heart. He still feel the way. He's fighting the town. I love him to death. He's free. I love him. He's good people. Yeah. Never gets him at all. But if they pay me the right money, we got to go again. That's just where I am. Yeah. You feel me? Yeah. I'm so sorry, but that's just how it goes. That's what you've been. Boxing has lost it. Right. Because boxing has lost it, it's giving people an opportunity to come in like a Jake Paul, steal the steam, because don't make no mistake about it.

37:55An old man told me this one time. Two mules are a great race. Meaning that if you got a racehorse out there that won't race another racehorse, he's going to blow all the mules up. Nobody want to see that. But when you put that mule like that with another mule, you're going to get a good damn race. Wow. That's what boxing has been missing. I ain't never heard of that. This time, we ain't got two Mews. We got two race sports fans. Yes. Two thoroughfrags that are about to get. This is what the sport has been missing. Nobody. I had to go all the way up to Hedwig to make it happen. Right. Because I couldn't get nobody around my time at my week class to really create the atmosphere.

38:27Ocho:This atmosphere. They wanted you to go across the water fight, Kyle. I ain't doing that. He wasn't doing that. Not Kyle. I got from Germany. Mekhosheski. Yeah. I wasn't doing that. Because he had one belt. You had about ten belts. What am I going to take all my stuff? I'm the man. You should come over here where I'm going. H.P.O. offered him great money to come. He said no. So that tells me y 'all must have something great for me to come over there. Y 'all got a plan for me. I remember what happened to me in 88. I ain't going to let that happen to Gideon. Hey, go here. You understand the game of boxing.

38:57A little bit. You understand the sweet science. Better than anybody that's going to be watching. What does Bud need to do to win this fight? what type of fight does he need to fight to win this fight? That's not an easy answer. Right. So what I'm saying is he got to do a lot of things, right? So he got to answer the strength question. When we bump for the first time and we bump shoulders and we clinch each other, am I going to be able to get my respect there? Okay. Because if not, it's going to be a hard night. When I punch, when Terrence starts getting off offensively, is Canelo laughing or does he feel something?

39:37at least enough where you got respectable power, where I can't get crazy and get reckless with you. When Canelo hits Terrence for the first time, what's the response going to be? We got a lot more questions than we got answers leading into this fight, and that's how you know it's a great fight. If I looked at the landscape and I said, man, from 154 to 168, who's a name that could give Terrence Crawford a run for his money and potentially beat him? It would be a Canelo Alvarez. Right. He at the top of the list. But if I said, what's a smaller dude? that can come up two, really three-way classes since he fought Errol Spence and challenge Canelo Alvarez, it would be Terrence Crawford.

40:14If any smaller fighter can do it, it's him. And it ain't just Terrence's physical ability or who he fought. It's this and it's this. It's the stuff you can't see. I got to win or die for me. I can't fathom losing against you and having to live with that for the rest of my world. That's the type of stuff that will make you figure it out. Right. So, on one hand, you've got to lean toward Crawford from the standpoint that I think he's going to find a way to figure it out. Right. But then you've got all the physical advantages and the skill set and the power of Canelo Alvarez.

40:45Ocho:We talked about this. You moved up from 68 to go to heavyweight to fight Ruiz. You weighed 193 at the weigh-in. 25 pounds you put on to go fight Ruiz. But Bud, and I was talking to Vargas Sr. And I was talking to someone else, Kayla Plant. I say, Canelo, if he's stripping down to go to 168, Canelo walking around at 195. Maybe even 200. Because he makes his carry the weight. And I say, Bud, Bud probably walking around, Bud probably walking around, what, 180 to go down to 47? 186, 185? That's what I'm saying. So now he gets to stop at 68. But thinking Rob's cardio, moving Rob's cardio, punching Rob's cardio, can he do for 36 minutes, can he stay mentally sharp, mentally focused, locked in, and put punches together to keep Canelo up off him?

41:42Like Dre said, if he can shock him enough to make him pay attention to that lick, that would keep anybody off. That's how Floyd did it. Yeah. Floyd shocked him early and kept him, got the respect. Right. and kept him out there and outside a little bit. If Bud can do that, then Canelo would be in for a long night. If Bud can't do that, then Bud is in for a long night. But like he said, the only person that can beat both of them right now in this situation would be each other. Whoever can come out and get their respect early is going to win the fight. Whoever can come out and take over that first and second round is going to win the fight Because if Bud don't hurry up and put Canelo in that box, Canelo's going to be a problem coming around 8, 9, 10, 11.

42:26Yeah, let me say this about Bud, man. For him to be successful in this fight and win this fight, he got to control himself. So that, I'm going to show you that alpha male, I'm always coming out on top. You got to reserve that until the right time. So in other words, you ain't got to be stronger than Canelo. You just got to be strong enough.

42:48Ocho:Right. You ain't got to hit harder than Canelo. You just got to hit hard enough. And that's the discipline of saying, okay, you might not respect my power like you would a regular 68-pounder, but you respect it enough. Right. And he's got to stay within that. And I think the fight really going to start from the seventh round on. Oh, okay. The first six rounds, it could be 4-2 Canelo going into seven. It could be 4-2 Bud. It could be 3-3. That's when we're going to tap into conditioning. That's when we're going to see how the weight is affecting Bud. That's when we're going to see is Canelo going to fade like we typically see him fade.

43:19From the seventh round on, that's when this fight is going to start.

43:22Ocho:Because when you go back and look at Canelo, the only guy that he's ever fought that can put punches together beat him, that's Mayweather. He's never fought anybody else that can put punches together like Bud. Players, Landy, Laura, and that could have went either way. So if Bud, you said something very interesting. You said ego, but don't get reckless. You can be an alpha, but don't get reckless with it. Because you get reckless with it, you walk into something, and he turned the lights out of place. Open yourself wide open. Wide open. So the question is, can Bud put two, three, four punches together?

43:51Ocho:They're like, got Canelo like, hold on, damn, I can't just walk up in here. Hey, they not horned, but these yellow jackets hurt too. It is deep. It is deep. He's going to have to. Bud going to have to. Yeah. Bud going to have to put them together. Early. In spots. Early on, it's ones and twos. Yeah. Right. Yeah. That second, third round, they're not twos and threes. Yeah. Got to test you out. Once we get on that back half, now I can stay there a little bit longer. Yacht, yacht, yacht, yacht. You can sit on it. See how you're doing. It's a progression. It's not all at one time. No, no, no, no. Because you know Canelo's trying to sit down on everything.

44:24Ocho:Of course. Canelo's trying to get you up out of the road. He's supposed to be. He's a bigger man. If you don't come in with that mindset, you've lost already. But the thing we're not talking about with Canelo is Canelo can box too. Yeah. His defense. I call Canelo and Crawford puncher boxers, not boxer punchers, meaning they really want to get to it. They can box, but they really don't like to. If you see Canelo moving around the ring, if you see Terrence moving around the ring, it's either to rest for a second or to reset so they can do what they really want to do, which is get that shot in that's going to change the course of the fight.

44:56They punch a boxer, so I got to see that on display. I want to see who's going to control that. But Canelo can box. Yeah. He just don't have to, and he don't really like to, but he can box. Here's the problem, though. You know both of them. You know both of them has been a lot of time with Turk. You know, Turk paid both of them. You know, Turk told them he don't want no decision. I don't think they listening to that. Huh? I don't think they listening to that. All right. Because they're going to get paid regardless. Yeah, all right. But I'm just saying, he told them he don't want no decision. You got a turkey not in the ring.

45:29I'm just saying. Everybody goes into the fight with a game plan. I understand that. You got to execute that game plan and make adjustments round by round. That's good to sell the fight. It sounds good. We talking about it. It ain't going to have no bears on his front. Here's what's the problem, though. If you go in there and let Canelo get that real estate going this way early, you already lost. Yeah. If you go in there and let Bud get that real estate early, you already lost. So what Turk wants is inevitable is what I'm basically trying to say. Okay, okay, okay. What he wants right now tonight on Saturday night is inevitable because Bud can't give up room and neither can Canelo.

46:03Because whoever gives up that real estate, he's going to lose that fight. Yeah. Just what I think. So it's going to force you to fight no matter what? Trust me, I tell you, so what he wants is inevitable. Anyway.

46:13Ocho:We got a guy in Bud. It's very few. Bud is a southpaw. But, boy, he got power. And that's orthodox. Both hands. Very few, very few fighters can turn the lights out of the building with either hand. We saw him start with Spence. He's southpaw. And then all of a sudden, he switched up like this. Spence like, hello. Who's this other guy in the ring? Because I was about to get him hit me when he left. And now they got to tear me up with the ring. Who the hell? What? Which one of y 'all hit me? Yeah, which one of y 'all hit me? Could that be a problem for Canelo? Yes. Let me take this. Go for it. It could have been a problem until in came Boots Enos, who also does that.

46:56Oh, that shit. Very well. You can take it from now. That's why he had him in camp. I forgot all about that. Boots had Canelo had Boots in camp. Yes. Yeah, Boots fight unorthodox and South Pole. Really good. Yes. Oh. That makes sense. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I thought he was getting ready for his fight. I thought he was getting ready for his fight. He was. But he was helping Canelo, too.

47:21Ocho:Tell me he ain't serious. The mere fact, first of all, he understands what Bud is. In the four-bed era, he's the first man to be undisputed in two weight classes. So you know, first of all, it's a boxing match. That man got an unblemished record. You got an unblemished record. So you know. The fact. But Canelo also understands. This is. People say. As accomplished. You get accomplished like Canelo. Undisputed at super middleweight. We got a guy that's been undisputed at two weight classes. Now we can say Buster Douglas. When he beat. Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson. But Buster Douglas was not as accomplished as Canelo or Crawford.

48:05Ocho:Leon Spinks when he beat Muhammad Ali. He was not as accomplished. So this right here, what Bud would do? I don't know. Roy, Dre, y 'all been around the sport. You did the sport. You're world champion. I don't know how high this go if Bud were to do this, but it's got to be pretty damn high. Would that not make him the greatest of all time? That's the greatest of all time. We can't say that. The greatest of all time? If he goes out there and beats Canelo at 168 going up two weight classes? Listen, man, that is a great feat. He up there. Yeah. Of all time? Okay. I don't even think Bud would say that.

48:47Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. We talking past Robinson. We talking past Ali. Okay, you're right. We got to be careful with that. Right. I'm speaking of the essence of the time we're in now where we can't even get fighters. Of this era? Yeah, we talking. We can't even get our best fighters to fight each other right now. Yeah. And we got Bud taking a chance. I wonder why. Going up. He feeling a way about that? Huh? I wonder why. I wonder why. Why? Let me go back. He just said it. Protect him home. It ain't just the O, though. Let me go back to the conversation about why the fight's not happening.

49:24If you got a big enough fan base, you got a big enough social following, why would I risk, and I'm saying this is what I believe the youngsters are thinking, why would I risk my health and my reputation? because really the reputation, I think they're thinking about that more than they're thinking about their health. As long as my fan base feels like I'm him, why would I have to risk proving that I'm him? Wait, the fan base ain't cutting the checks. I got you. But some of them are still getting the money, but I'm facing top competition. So I'm going to tell you how the youngsters are thinking. They're looking at the old heads now saying, y 'all were stupid.

49:58You fought him? You fought him for that? They're looking at facing tough challenges like they're laughing at it. Like, dude, I got this to face him. The whole dynamic has changed. The whole paradigm shift. As long as my fan base says I'm the guy and I can walk around like the guy and feel like the guy, that's enough for me. All that proving to be great and legacy stuff, ain't nobody trying to hear all that. Whether we like it or not, that's how they think.

50:24Ocho:I believe 100 % what you say. But when it's done and people don't give them credit, they wonder why. They wonder why they still hold Sugar Ray Leonard and these great fighters and the Roy Jones and all these other fighters in high regard because they fought everybody. You go back and look at the age, when they had the four horsemen, the field horsemen with Iran Barkley, they fought everybody. You go back and look at the 70s and the heavyweight division, nobody, nobody. Now, bro, you undefeated. It's like if I go to a game, tickets for sale, I want to buy tickets. We'll buy the tickets. He's selling them.

50:59Ocho:You need tickets, David. You undefeated. You want to fight the best. He's undefeated. You're undefeated. Well, go fight. The game different. It's a different game. You know what? Even though it's a different game right now, Roy and Dre, I think with Turkey being into the game now, I think more fighters that are really good, that have those zeros, that have the skill set. He's going to make them fight. Because I'm willing to take the risk for the reward that he's paying. It's a big reward. There it is. And I do appreciate that about Turkey. You can say what you want to say. He's paying them. Yes.

51:29So many times fighters had high risk, low reward. You look at the money, it's like y 'all chopping that up five different ways? This is what he brought home after y 'all got y 'all money? And he fought a 12-round back. That man in the hospital right now, that's what y 'all giving him? 15, 12? It's different now. It is. So I appreciate that man saying, look, I want the best fights, but I'm going to pay you because of it. That's all we asking? That's all. Get your money because it is prize fighting. It's not pride fighting.

52:00Ocho:Yeah. My babies can't eat legacy. Nope. The legacy is for me and my name. Right. I can't live with myself unless I knew I done tested the waters and seen if I was the baddest man. That's for me and my name. Right. But really, my kids, I got to make sure there's money right. Right. But I think that's why kind of UFC is kind of taking over because Dana White ain't going to let nobody duck. Well, they can't choose. This who you going to fight. You got no choice. Oh, so you got the belt. Okay, you're fighting the number one contender. Okay, you just beat the number one when you fight number two. Well, okay, that's what.

52:33Ocho:Four and five, y 'all going to fight to see who's fighting number one to see who's going to fight for the title. And that's why they're trying to get him involved with boxing too. That's the key to fix that problem. That's the blueprint, yes. But, Roy, you wanted to fight. You fought James Toney. Whoever, if you had, first of all, if you won 68, you can't have no belt in my era. You were paying you pay a wet suspenders, but you're not finna have a bill Not at all and for the challenges for you to say you know what I got to go on up here And you did you you skip because a lot of people say okay I'm gonna be a light heavy and then I'll go for heavy right you you jumped over there and they came back down again I don't know if I don't cruise Yes, you know, but but I'm gonna say this I'm gonna say this part to what he said.

53:28I understand what he's saying. Legacy can't feed your kids, right? Currency does, true. But the problem with the part they're missing is that if I got a fan base of fans in the United States and they love me to death and I stay protected and I don't do nothing, when I retire, what happens when I go abroad? When I go abroad right now because I fought in it, everybody came my way, I am like Michael Jordan abroad because they know what I did. They know what I went through. This man just bought me a gold medal back home not long ago because of him way back then in 1988. They know my presence. They know what I mean.

54:05They know what I stood for. So it's like not that fan base here in the United States. I do have a good fan base in the United States. I love them. I appreciate them. But I'm not here to fool a fan base. I'm here to prove the truth. I am the best of my time, my era. Nobody here disputes that. You understand me? So to be able to say, oh, I can make my money with my fan base. and, nah, brother, don't get it from me. I'm old school. I'm sorry. I do know what changed. I respect that. I respect what they do. But I could never have lived with that. That's why God created me in 1969, so I had to look at this.

54:34Ocho:But here's the thing. I couldn't play the sport of football and worry about getting hurt. You understand? You in the boxing, you're talking about, well, I might get hurt. You in the fight game. Yeah. If you fight, I don't care how great you are. You're going to get hit. You're going to get hit. Something's going to impact you. And these guys don't, you talk, a legacy is not undefeated. A legacy is who did you fight to become what you became. Yeah. So if we can break, we can break it down. But like Michael Irvin said, Michael Irvin said, guess what? I went through girl, Daryl Green, Rod Wilson, Charles Woodson.

55:13Ocho:I went through Niels Williams and Deion Sanders to get my gold jacket. I went through gold jackets. You heard me? In they playing. You heard me? In they playing. We got guys talking about, ooh, ooh, I'm undefeated. In their plan. Who are you beating to get the state undefeated? I ain't talking about Floyd. Floyd, I can't get real to him that way. I ain't talking about him either, but I'm just saying. We ain't going to do that today. I'm just saying. We ain't going to do that today. I'm just saying. Yeah, Floyd. Floyd. Floyd. Floyd. Floyd. I ain't talking about him right now. He fighting Mike Tyson.

55:43I ain't talking about him right now.

55:45Ocho:I'll fight Mike Tyson, too. Well, we got to wrap it up. We got the big, we got one of the bosses coming in. Hey, Roy. Hey. Appreciate you, man. Thank you. Drake. Brother. Anytime, brother. Appreciate you, brother. Appreciate you. Hey, go easy on it, man. Hey, man, deal with your guy. Man, do what you want. He said he want it. People calling my name on my phone, talking about these teetowns on me. I'm putting his hands on him. Yeah, you feel it, bitch. Love, bro. All right, brother. No, when you ready? We been ready. We been ready since 1.30. But I had to listen to it too. I didn't even know it.

56:14Whenever you ready. It's 2.30 right now. Huh? Okay, right up there I can come. It's your last one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dana, last. Dana, I want to fucking fight.

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1:01:00Ocho:We got Dan White. The big CEO, he runs everything, all things UFC. He's the face of the UFC. He's getting ready to join us on stage, Dana White. Hey, Chad, who y 'all want to see me fight in the UFC? Who do you think? Debo. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:01:23Oh, yeah. Chad, it's going down. Dana White and Turkey are going to sponsor me and Debo. What's up, baby? You good? How's everything?

1:01:33Ocho:Good to see you, man. Appreciate you. Danny, you got it buzzing. Yeah. You got the biggest fight in a very, very, very long time. I mean, it might be the biggest fight since Pacquiao Mayweather. You got Canelo, the undisputed super middleweight champ. You got Bud Crawford, the first man in the four-bed era to be a two-time undisputed champ, and they're fighting. Somebody's going to leave. Crawford said he's leaving with like eight, nine belts. But Canelo says, nah, I'm leaving with my legacy cemented that I've taken on all comers that I didn't back down from anybody. How did this fight come to be?

1:02:09Well, let's start with this. This is what makes this such a great fight for fight fans. You know, what I always have said and feel is that to have a great fight, what's at stake? What's at stake? It's no different than the Super Bowl or any of these big sporting events. What's at stake? And when you have a guy like Crawford who could stay in his lane, go down as the greatest in his division, and fight fights that he's going to win because he's that talented, not because he's taking on easy opponents, but to move up two weight classes, to want to prove himself, and for Canelo to accept and get the fight, this is what we all dream of as fight fans.

1:02:51So that's why I call this once-in-a-lifetime fight because literally nobody does this. And how it came about was Sheikh Turkey, you know, from Saudi Arabia, put this fight together, then hit me up and said, I want you to be the promoter of this event. You said, okay.

1:03:09Ocho:Because, Dana, look, what you do in the UFC, and this is what we want. In the UFC, you don't allow somebody to try to hand-pick and cherry-pick guys. You the best, you're going to fight the best. If you're the number one contender and you got a belt, you're fighting the number one contender. You're not fighting the number 10 contender. You're not going to duck and die and try to build your bank account up fighting inferior guys. If you say you're the best, fight the best. What I hate is debate. I hate debate. You have everybody debating over who this guy, that guy. There's only one way to find out.

1:03:42We can argue. You can get all the experts. You can break down the stats. You can do all this. All the answers, all the questions will be answered on Saturday.

1:03:51Ocho:In the ring or the octagon, we can prove who's the best. And now we get an opportunity to see it. Well, here's the thing about boxing, too, that drives me crazy. Like, everybody's undefeated, right? Now, in the UFC, if you're undefeated, like Jon Jones. Say what you want about Jon Jones. He's been undefeated his entire career. He's fought everybody. And that means something. It means something when you're undefeated. But even though in the UFC, Dana, even if a guy has one loss, you don't discard it. It seems like now in boxing, if you have one loss, you're not any good. Adesanya has a loss. Piedra has a loss.

1:04:27Ocho:Guys have losses. Sugar Ray had losses. Muhammad had losses. Every boxer. Why did they have losses? Because they fought the best. They fought the best. They had to fought Hearns. Hearns fought Sugar Ray. Sugar Ray fought Duran. They fought Barkley. Absolutely right. They did a whole round robin of the baddest dudes of all time. And it's why the sport was so big and why so many people loved it and why these guys today are able to make money off it was because those guys fought everybody. But then the funny thing about it is times have changed. Yes. Times have changed, especially in the sport of boxing.

1:05:04The fighters today don't want to take a loss because it messes up being the A side. It messes up being a command a certain amount for your purse. It messes up being able to pick and choose who you want to fight and when you want to fight them. Yep. I agree. That's all it comes down to. What you've seen is, you know, people have been talking about the demise of boxing for over 30 years. But what you have seen is there's no television deal right now for boxing out there. You know, you have some streaming services that are picking up, you know, picking up here and there and all this stuff. It doesn't work.

1:05:35You can't build. Tell me a business in the history of the world or a sport that has generated trillions of dollars in revenue, yet at the end of the day there's nothing there. And all these fights feel like going out of business sale. You know what I mean?

1:05:50Ocho:Dana, when you and I were growing up, great championship fights used to be on regular television. You could watch a fight on CBS. I remember with Gil Clancy and all those guys. You could see great fights. ABC's Wide World of Sports, then USA's Tuesday Night Fights. is where they built all the stars. You're absolutely right. Ali could have never said he the greatest if he the duck Foreman, if he the duck Frazier, if he the duck Ken Norton, even Erty Shaver, if he the duck Ron Lyle. You can't say that. You can't say in an era where all those great fighters are and you don't fight none of them that you the greatest.

1:06:22Ocho:How do you get to say that? No. Floyd is Floyd. And I think what has happened is that everybody sees Floyd and they see that perfect 50-0. They say, well, if I'm 40-0, If I'm 45-0, I'll be the equivalent. No, you're not. Floyd is a transcendent. He's a once-in-a-lifetime fighter. I agree. So no matter what, stop trying to be him. There's only one Floyd Mayweather Jr. You should try to be the first version of you and then let us have that. But you've got to fight him. You've got to. I agree. If you look at this undercard on Saturday night, all young up-and-coming guys that are undefeated, all fighting each other.

1:06:57So this will be the first boxing match in a long time where I'm telling you right now, you want to be there for the first fight of the night. Whether you're in the arena or watching it live on television, all of these fights on this card are going to be awesome.

1:07:12Ocho:Is boxing something that you want to get involved? I know Turkey, you said Ali called you and said, I want you to promote it. Is this something that you're trying to dip your toe into? Is this something that you're going to get into? In 26, I'm launching my thing in 26, yeah. Yes. So we know how you did. I mean, you and the Petitas, y 'all purchased something in the early 2000 for$2 million, and you turned it into a$5 billion box office. Is that what your hope is for boxing? Are you trying to get boxing back to what it once was? And can it be that? Well, I don't even. I'm not coming in with an arrogance that, oh, I'm going to come in and fix boxing, and I'm going to do everything different.

1:07:53My game plan is pretty clear and simple. The best up-and-coming guys are going to fight each other. And then once you get to, you know, you got all these sanctioning organizations that are ranking all these different guys. When the best fight the best all the time, there's no question, when you get up into the top five, who the best guys in the world are. It's the top five guys in the division.

1:08:16Ocho:Is that what you think? You think they got too many? They got the WBO, they got the IVF, the WBC, the WBA, They got Ring Magazine. Do they have too many sanctioned bodies? The sanctioning organizations are part of what killed boxing. There's no doubt about it. That's it. Listen, I have two fights coming up. I would like you to promote my fights. I want you in Turkey. Where are your fights? He won an MMA against Debo, James Harrison. I want to fight James Harrison, UFC. You're going to promote it. You're going to put me on a card, and then I want to do a boxing. when you get into boxing in 2026, I'm going to beat the shit out of Andre Ward.

1:08:54So, I'm serious. Dana, I need you. I've never listened. I've known you a very long time. Why do you want to do this? You've had an amazing career. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And now you've got a successful podcast. Yeah, very, very, very. So, how old do you now? 57. You're 57? Yeah, I look good. You look fucking great. You don't look good. You look fucking great. Because I've been fighting. I've been fighting all my life. Well, 57 is too old to be fighting. No, it's not. It is. Not for me. 57-year-olds fight to get out of bed and get on a treadmill every day. Danny, you have to do me this one favor. Please.

1:09:24I want to fight James Harrison in the octagon. Five rounds. Five minutes. James Harrison, the NFL player? Yes. The piece of verse, the people. You talk too much trash. I need you to set that up. I need you to back me. Tell Turkey, please. The dude's a monster. He's a what? He's a monster. Did you see the story of David and Goliath? I have. Okay. Well, that's exactly what it's going to look like. Is that a real story? Or is that a myth? It might be a myth. I think that's a myth. How old is he? How old is James, you think?

1:09:56Ocho:Should be probably about 10, 11 years younger. Probably about 46, 45, 46. I'm 47. I'm only 47. Oh, okay. So now you agree to the fight. No, that's still too old. God damn it. It's better than 57. Okay, so just say yes, please. Just say yes. I can't say yes. I'll tell you this. We'll talk about it. Oh, my God, Chad. I'm going to beat his ass. We'll talk about it. I hope it will be that. You see, is that what's happened to boxing? You see a lot of guys, boxing seems to be headed towards the exhibitions. You got Jake Paul going to fight Tank Davis. You got Tyson going to fight Floyd. Is that what we are with boxing?

1:10:34Well, you know, I think that those type of fights are always going to exist. People are always going to be interested in will Ocho Cinco fight Harrison? Will, you know, YouTube guy fight this guy? And these type of fights, they're always going to exist. It's going to happen. And it's always going to pique the interest of people that want to see what will happen. But it's just not what I'm into. I'm into who's the best in the world. Who's the best in every weight class? Who's the pound for pound best? That's my thing. And that's what I'll always do. I'm not saying I wouldn't do an Ocho Cinco versus Harrison.

1:11:10It would be. If money to be made. It would be, I don't know. I never say never, but it's not what I'm into.

1:11:20Ocho:Thank you. There's a rumor floating around. I don't know if there's any truth, but I think in 26, a UFC event is going to take place at the White House. That is absolutely true. Are they going to allow fans? There's going to be under 5 ,000 people will be on the south lawn of the White House. at the actual. And then right next to the White House is a massive park. We'll have 85 ,000 people there watching on screens. And we're going to have a stage and do concerts. And we're going to basically take over Washington, D.C. for a week. So you mentioned that, okay, so the weigh-ins, everything that would normally happen at, say, Allegiant or T-Mobile is going to take place at the White House.

1:12:05Well, at certain monuments. You know, the Lincoln Monument, we might do the weigh-ins. You know, yeah, we're going to take over the whole city. And then the fight will happen on the south lawn of the White House.

1:12:17Ocho:Boy, I know Secret Service is Dana. You could have said no, it made it real easy on us. Because you don't understand the protections that we're going to have to go through to make sure this thing is locked down. This has got to be Fort Knox. So you know what's probably the most badass thing about, obviously, everything about it is the fighters will actually walk from the Oval Office into the octagon. I got to be a part of that. So badass. So badass. That's perfect. Look, I was at the event that you had at the Sphere. And I don't know if you saw it on TV, it was great. But if you was there in person, it was on another level.

1:12:56Ocho:and I remember having a conversation with you when we sat down with an interview you said yeah we're going to do something at the sphere once you did the sphere how soon did you start like the White House would be badass I would love to take credit for it the president was the one that asked me he said I think we should he has this whole I don't know if you'll ever meet anybody that loves the White House more than President Trump does he's so proud of that place and his philosophy is this house belongs to the people It belongs to all the Americans. And he wants to open up stuff like kids on Easter go egg hunting at the White House.

1:13:36And having big events that get Americans in to experience and enjoy the White House. That's his thing. So one of them is, we should do a fight. He just set it off the cuff one day. And I said, say when. And he said when we put together all the renderings and how it would work. and we flew out, and my team got to pitch him in the Oval Office with all the renderings, and he was blown away by it. And it's happening. We're doing it. Have you just – because, look, you probably won't get a better venue

1:14:13Ocho:in the history of UFC. Have you thought about who's going to be on that card?

1:14:21So we won't start really looking at who's on the card until like February. Okay. So in February, we will start making the card.

1:14:32Ocho:But, you know, I was having a conversation with D.C., and I don't know if you saw it. He says, he says, Shannon, I know what Dana said, but if he wants some Americans, unless he wants the Europeans to take over the White House and win every match, He better put John Jones on that car. He's like, yeah, no. Well, that's pretty big of Cormier. I'm proud of him, man. I'm proud of him bearing the hatchet. He said, we got to get one win. He said, because I don't know if there's any Americans that can get a win at the White House other than John Jones. I said, what about John Jones and Aspinall? I said, would you think Dana would consider that?

1:15:14Ocho:He's like, hell yeah. He's like. Well, one of the things with me is, unlike tennis and basketball and all these other things, my sport is a global sport. And there's guys from all over the world that are talented. I don't ever. But we can't lose at the White House. I know it's a global sport, but that's an American soul. And fighting, man. You can't, you know. You can't determine who's going to win. That's why they're fighting. That's exactly right. So whoever we bring in on that card, I'm not looking for America versus every American to win. Whoever wins, wins. Right. I like it. You just did this new deal.

1:15:53Ocho:I mean, a monumental deal. I mean, in the beginning, you paid to be on Spike TV. Right. And then you get this deal with Fox, and then you go to ESPN, and now you're with CBS and Paramount. And billions of dollars. Dana, when you and the Petitas sat down, it's like, I think this is a business that we can buy for little or nothing. Did you ever envision it would be this? Well, if you watch interviews with me early on, I said this will be the biggest sport in the world. And I always knew that this would work. I have this philosophy that I don't care what color you are, what country you come from, what language you speak, Like, we're all human beings and fighting's in our DNA, man.

1:16:38We get it and we like it. I got football players that want to fight. I mean, it's crazy. But, yes, I believe. But you don't imagine a level where we're talking about fighting at the White House and a lot of the other things that we've done and accomplished. But, yeah, I always thought this would be big.

1:16:56Ocho:I mean, you go from paying$10 million to get on TV to somebody paying you billions and billions. But now you said if I read this correctly, there is no more pay-per-view, correct? Right. Well, we had guys early on. First of all, we were the redheaded stepchild of the Fertitta portfolio back in the day. Let me tell you what. And they had all these smart guys that worked for them that hated this thing and said it's never going to work. And then, you know, the big thing was you guys, if you pay your way onto TV, How do you think there's ever going to be a day where somebody's going to come to you and say, okay, we'll pay you now?

1:17:34But me and the Fertittas truly believe that once we introduce this to the mainstream, that they would love it as much as we did and saw what we saw in it, and that did happen.

1:17:44Ocho:But you had to do a lot, Dana. You had to get weight classes because in the original stages, there was no weight classes. And guys fought. I was at the first one in Denver, Colorado in 1993. And guys fought. So you would fight, you win, you move on. You fight again, win, you move on. Well, we had to get rid of the tournament style because it's not true that the best actually win because too many people get hurt during the night. And now the level of fighters, I mean, these guys get banged up. They're not ready again. They're not even moving again for two and a half weeks after some of these fights.

1:18:16But one of the things that I really had to do early on, I flew to L.A. yesterday and was doing some PR out there, and I did some radio. So in the beginning, I flew all around the country, and I was speaking with, you know, remember this. When we bought this thing, newspapers were still around, right? Newspapers was how everybody got their news. So I had to fly around and meet with these 65-year-old editors, explaining them the UFC and why it was going to be. And all these guys cared about was ball and stick sports. So not only did we buy our way onto television, nobody would cover us. So we bought our way onto radio, right?

1:18:52Now, radio was massive then, and you had to be good radio. Well, we'd have these fighters waking up at 6 in the morning or 3, 4 in the morning getting dropped into the East Coast. Yeah. Right? And these guys would be like, oh, you know, there were terrible radios. So none of the radio wanted to talk to any of the fighters. So every pay-per-view, we would switch. I would get up at 3.30 in the morning and do a whole radio satellite tour. then the next one Joe Rogan would get up at 3.30 in the morning and do a full, you know, because we both loved the sport, we were both passionate about it, and we both could talk about it.

1:19:27And that was how we really got started too. I mean, there's so many different pieces to this puzzle on getting this business to where we are today. And radio was just as big as buying our way onto Spike TV.

1:19:37Ocho:But you had to also get Congress approval because a lot of states you couldn't participate in. And so you had to go before Congress and you had to get legislation. and now, if I'm not mistaken, I think you're sanctioned and all the... In a couple of the states, it was actually illegal. So not only do we have to get regulated and be a part of their state athletic commission, we had to undo some laws. It was illegal. Yeah. So it's been a lot of work. It's fun to say, oh, they bought it for$2 million and now it's worth... They just did a$7 billion or$8 billion deal for television. there's been a lot of work to get to where we are today.

1:20:16Ocho:Of all the things that you've done, is that, and all the things that, because you're, and I don't think you, I don't think you're done. I don't think, I don't know what you would actually do. Wait till you see what we do in the next three years. Just every time people think that, you know, all, for instance, when we sold for 4.025 billion, right? Yeah. everybody said, you know, they overpaid. This thing said beyond the peak, blah, blah, blah. I love the negativity, and I love that talk. And if you look at where we are now and what we've accomplished, wait till you see what we do in the next couple of years.

1:20:57Wow.

1:20:58Ocho:I can't wait. I don't. How much longer is Dana White going to be captain in this ship? I can't imagine you doing anything else. I mean, you pop out of bed. because this will not work for you. You look forward to waking up in the morning. Lord, please let me put my feet on the floor and let me go do my job in the morning. How much longer does Dana White want to do? So it's funny. How old are you? I'm 57. Yeah. All right. So when guys, and it might be the same for him, but when guys like you and I were growing up, right, you always had the older generation talking about, I'm going to retire and I'm going to be drinking, you know, pina coladas on the beach and all this shit, right?

1:21:38go away for 10 days how many pina coladas can you drink and I'll be on these great vacations that are unbelievable

1:21:46Ocho:yeah we saw you on that meeting after day 7 I'm like if I have to put suntan lotion on my body one more time and if I drink one more of these drinks and if I eat another crappy meal I can't wait to get back to work right it was all an illusion for those poor guys. They didn't realize. And to have to do, you talking about 10 days, you think I'm going to do this for the next 30 years? No way in hell. Listen, whoever is going to take this over after me, I'm going to have to die for them to come in. You know what? I had a teacher that did that. He was a teacher for like 40 years. He retired a week later.

1:22:29Yep. I hear those stories all the time, too. And I get it. Yes. What's next? What are you going to do? Nothing. Especially when you do things at the level that we've done them, right? Think about what you've done and what it must have been like for you guys to run out of that tunnel on game day and go out and just destroy the team and win and all the stuff that goes along with it. Who the hell wants to walk away from that? Nobody.

1:22:55Ocho:Nobody does. That's the answer to that question. Well, you definitely have the best job at the house, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us, Dana. Thanks for having me. Congratulations, man. Hey, hopefully this thing is as big Saturday night as the buildup to it. And if we get anything close to what we think it's going to be, it's going to be unbelievable. Here's what I can promise you, and I say this all the time. I'm the bells and whistles guy. I will put on the greatest bells and whistles you've ever seen Saturday night, whether you're there live or watching on TV. And then I hand the baton off to the fighters, and they've got to go in and deliver.

1:23:27Ocho:They do their thing. Dana, thanks for joining us. All right. Thanks for having me. All right, guys, thank you for joining us. We really appreciate it. We want to thank all the guests that stopped by. Andre Ward, Roy Jones Jr., Dana White, Fernando Vargas Jr. and Senior stopped by, Antonio Tarver, Caleb Plant, and Jim Gray. Thank you guys for joining us. Thank you guys for watching. Thank you for your support. We'll see you tonight after the game. We'll see you in the Green Bay. We're back in five hours. Peace. Call me.

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