In short
Giants vs Eagles reaction—Jaxson Dart’s breakout vs Jalen Hurts, plus Steelers-Browns preview with Aaron Rodgers’ cover-two comments and Tomlin’s praise of Dylan Gabriel. Also includes Browns quarterback controversy and broader NFL takes (Deion Sanders coverage debate, Chris Jones admitting a missed TD finish, Jerry Ver/Lamar “sack list” talk).
Guests/backgrounds
No guest names are given; the episode is hosted by James “Deebo” Harrison with co-host Joe Hayden. They speak as former/active football players (Deebo references playing DB; both discuss coaching/locker-room perspectives).
Key claims
- Giants’ offense surged behind Dart’s legs and third-down efficiency; Hurts’ offense stalled and Saquon Barkley was underused.
- Eagles’ defensive/penalty moments (tush push offside review, blown coverage on Devontae Smith) swung momentum.
- Steelers-Browns: Rodgers says cover-two limits deep shots; success requires efficient short passing and running to force single-high looks.
- Tomlin says Dylan Gabriel’s “timely processing” and experience are his superpower; he protects the ball and can run.
- Browns head coach allegedly “doesn’t know” the backup QB, which Deebo calls disrespectful to Shador.
Notable examples
- Dart scrambles for a 20-yard TD; multiple long third-down conversions; 13 rushes for 58 yards and a TD.
- Eagles’ 75-yard TD drives in Q1/Q2; Smith wide open on third-and-eight.
- Browns QB situation: only two active QBs, with Zappe/practice-squad QB referenced; Flacco trade discussed.
- Deion Sanders debate: hosts argue eras were different and primetime could cover today’s receivers.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOTravel Tales and Global Entry
0:00 to 0:16
Debo and Joe share experiences from Joe's recent trip and the need for global entry.
“Your next unforgettable experience can happen anytime.”
Travel Tales and Global Entry
0:45 to 1:32
Debo and Joe share experiences from Joe's recent trip and the need for global entry.
“because I was in a customs line for like 45 minutes when I got back.”
Giants vs. Eagles Game Breakdown
1:32 to 4:26
In-depth analysis of the Giants' surprising performance against the Eagles.
“Especially, you know, as soon as the game started, like Philly, the first two plays, Saquon go 18 to 13.”
Key Plays and Quarterback Performance
4:26 to 6:10
Discussion on Jaxson Dart's performance and crucial moments in the game.
“Yeah, then he get right back out there second quarter.”
Second Half and Game Momentum
6:10 to 11:00
Exploration of the game's second half, including missed opportunities and key turns.
“And then he ended the game, dude, with only four more carries than 58.”
Dart's Impact and Team Strategy Discussion
11:00 to 14:00
Analysis of Dart's impact on the game and the Giants' strategic decisions.
“and you keep hitting him in the face over and over and over and over.”
Discussing Saquon Barkley's Usage
14:00 to 18:52
Analyzing Saquon Barkley's limited touches and its impact on the Giants.
“when you're not getting him the ball, getting him going.”
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18:52 to 19:05
Promoting American Express rewards for various experiences.
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Jackson Dart's Performance Review
19:06 to 22:35
Evaluating Jackson Dart's efficient performance in a critical game.
“I've been doing this my whole life, and the moment's not too big.”
Browns-Steelers Quarterback Situation
22:35 to 28:00
Examining the quarterback dynamics and challenges faced by the Browns.
“His last year there, he completed almost 73 % of his passes, bro.”
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Locker Room Dynamics and Quarterback Decisions
28:00 to 29:59
Discussing the impact of quarterback hierarchy on team morale and drama.
“He couldn't even make your active roster.”
Franchise Management and Accountability
30:00 to 31:39
Evaluating franchise decisions and the importance of accountability in the NFL.
“As a draft pick for the Browns, I would feel disrespected.”
Flacco's Role in the Bengals' Offense
31:40 to 33:59
Analyzing Joe Flacco's potential impact on the Bengals' season.
“we hope this season when they got Flacco, you know.”
Deion Sanders' Legacy and Speed Debate
34:00 to 37:59
Debating Deion Sanders' abilities compared to modern NFL receivers.
“If you're just throwing picks up in the air and miscommunications over there, you haven't been in that situation.”
Respecting the OGs and Their Impact
38:00 to 41:34
The importance of recognizing and respecting past players in the sport.
“Primetime Deion Sanders, and that's when they was literally like, he was being able to put hands in.”
Mistakes and Learning Experiences
41:35 to 42:00
Discussing players' mistakes and their implications on the field.
“I seen this best four linebacker joint from my man.”
Appreciating Recognition in Sports
42:00 to 42:40
Learn how recognition among peers enhances camaraderie and support in sports.
“We're going to go ahead and get you some more, whatever it is, but we love that.”
Mistakes on the Field: Chris Jones' Admission
42:40 to 45:30
Discuss the impact of player mistakes and the importance of accountability in football.
“I guess this is not the kind of recognition you want.”
Fatigue and Performance: The On-Field Dilemma
45:30 to 47:40
Explore how fatigue affects player performance and decision-making during critical moments.
“Get to the – if you see him running, hit him.”
The Fine Line of Trash Talk in Football
47:40 to 51:48
Understand the dynamics of trash talking in football and its potential consequences.
“He said that Lamar was on his sack list with Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen.”
Mind Games and Competitive Spirit in Sports
51:48 to 56:00
Examine the psychological strategies players use to maintain competitiveness and focus.
“If you're handling business and you're talking shit and laying names, let's go.”
Understanding Defensive Strategy
56:00 to 59:09
Learn how understanding team dynamics enhances defensive play in football.
“And through that process, you know, everybody like, yo, bro, you've been here for like six years.”
Game Predictions and Player Insights
59:10 to 1:02:10
Explore the hosts' expectations for upcoming games and player performances.
“If you go out there and, you know, I'm doing my job well, but my corner is doing his job even better.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00James Harrison:This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. Your next unforgettable experience can happen anytime. Take an Amex card with you for rewards wherever you go. Morning coffee run with an old friend? Earn cash back. Weekend getaway? Earn miles. Amex rewards your inner explorer. Learn more at americanexpress.com. Terms apply.
0:23Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison. And I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. Joe, hey, before we get into this, how was your trip back? How was your trip back?
0:39James Harrison:Bro, trip back was great, man. Thank you, Debo. The only thing that was crazy was I need to get that global entry because I was in a customs line for like 45 minutes when I got back. So I got to get the global entry up. That was a rookie move on my part. But besides that, flight was good, direct, straight to IAD. Smooth. Back. Good. Thank you. No question. No question. No question. You got to get global rent. If you don't do that, you got to give up a lot. But it ain't like they can't see everything anyway. Oh, my God. They know me. It's straight through. It's like two minutes. I had it when I did Mexico City.
1:13James Harrison:Bro, I saw the global entry people going through, and my phone was dying, so I couldn't even download the app. So I just took it. I took it. I chalked it up for an L. Won't happen again. Yeah, you got to go through a whole little process, though. It ain't just apply, and that's it. They got to call you. You got to do an interview. I got to do all that. I did that later. There's no process to it. Okay. But, you know, the Giants went on ahead and did their thing right there, you know, against Philly. Crazy. Dude, I did not see that coming. Especially, you know, as soon as the game started, like Philly, the first two plays, Saquon go 18 to 13.
1:46Yes. And I'm like, okay, it's about to be something. They get a hot field goal. But the Giants come back, and dude, on two consecutive third downs, they get like 30 on the one-third down. And then the next one, Dart scrambles for a 20-yard touchdown, dude. Bro, Dart popped off the game.
2:08James Harrison:Like, when Eagles came down, like you said, they stalled out, you know what I'm saying? So they couldn't get the touchdown. Saquon only got the two carries popping off looking sweet. But when Stark got the ball and he was just able to, his first pass to the, what's my man, the 6 '4", the 6 '4 off the practice squad. He had nameless great faces receivers that he was out there throwing it to. And then Eagles having a great call on defense. They had a spot for him, Debo. He was able to juke the spot, make the run, get the touchdown. I'm like, okay, he's looking. He did exactly what he had to do. So the game popped off.
2:43Super exciting. Yeah, then Philly came back out, and they had a, what was it, like a negative three-yard run. Then they got sacked, so they were up out of there three and out. And here come your boy Dart again. Yes. Dude, like unbelievable. I think it was one for almost 30, another one 35. There was another touchdown. He was scrambling, bro.
3:04James Harrison:He was being able to use his legs. Like just creating plays, just dodging, making sure, being smooth, bro. It was looking like he was in control of the game. He wasn't making any bad plays. He was doing things on time. And he just, and I ain't going to lie to you. The one thing I liked about Darden, not to lie, like, when I look at a quarterback, too, some quarterbacks look goofy in their equipment. You know what I'm saying? He looks sweet. My man got the spat on. He got the vibing. You said his swag on point. His swag is on point. Like, he looks like, I'm like this. I'm looking at, I was looking, I'm like this.
3:33James Harrison:Young, I want that quarterback to be a quarterback on my team. Because he just looks cool. He looks comfortable. He looks in the flow. He's having fun. He's enjoying it. And he's swagging when he was doing it. So I just had to throw that out there. I know that don't mean nothing, but you know how you had dudes looking just goofy. Some dudes just look goofy in his equipment, a.k.a. Ravens quarterback, back up. He comes out there. I'm like this. He looks a little bit nervous. Dart doesn't look nervous. He looks like he's in control. He looks like he's chilling. He looks like he's done this before.
4:00Yeah, yeah, for sure. But Philly popped back out there less than, what, four minutes, a little close to four minutes, 75 yards. They get a touchdown. And I'm like, yo, this is just the first quarter. we about to have one of those games where it's going to be back and forward, back and forward, back and forward.
4:15James Harrison:When he scored, he threw the deep joint to A.J. Brown, one-handed, fire. You know what I'm saying? So, getting him, trying to get him involved. So, definitely, it looked like it was going to be good. It was 10 to 13 right there when they went there. Yeah, then he get right back out there second quarter. They get another seven, another eight minutes off the clock, 75 yards. Yes, yes, yes. Tables turning, you know, Giants done held up as long as they could, you know. Deebo, that's when they did all them damn tush pushes. Yes. And you see he went off sides on the one. And he jumped on the second one.
4:45Yeah. Yeah, you see he went off sides on the one. They need to review these tush pushes, man.
4:49James Harrison:And did you hear the referee, though? They said he went off sides. The referee was like, in real time, you know, you probably couldn't really tell. I'm like, oh, my God. Listen, stop it. So we going real time now, so we ain't calling penalties. Y 'all ain't doing the same slow-mo when the defense get a hair jump and they in the neutral zone. Y 'all doing the same thing. Come on. Give me that same courtesy. They want to score points. And the Giants ended up going right back and answered. Dart and Scatterboo went on ahead and said, you know what? We're going to go ahead and get this 2017 a halftime.
5:22Yes, yes. Do what we got to do.
5:24James Harrison:He was toting that pill. He was laying. He was coming down with the crown of his helmet, Debo. He runs with the crown of his helmet down. Listen, man. I don't have a problem with that because you got to protect yourself. You got to drop your head. He ain't going to just drop his head and do like this to get popped. He trying to get down. Like, I understand that. So, you know, when you come in to make a tackle or something, you know, you can't steer in there because you're not even being able to wrap. So I understand that. But at halftime, you got Saquon with basically he had three carries that was 49 yards and then another five carries that was, what, maybe eight yards?
6:06So he ended up halftime with eight carries, 56 yards. And then he ended the game, dude, with only four more carries than 58. Like, I don't know what they're thinking. Anyway, man, that's at the half. We'll get to that later. And then, dude, the third quarter starts. Yes, yes, yes. Here go them two dudes again. Them two dudes, Darden, Darden, Darden, Skebo. They activate. Activate.
6:33James Harrison:Came out that joint looking sweet. Then they had to, I think the first one, dart threw a great pass. They made a good play on third and two, so knocked it down, so they had to punt. Then, this is when the Eagles get the ball in the second half, where I'm like, all right, now do y 'all got to stop? Let's make something happen. Jalen Hurts, it was a blown coverage on that third and eight with Devontae Smith running scot-free down the field. That's a play you have to make. You have to make that. That's seven. That's literally, you know what I'm saying? All day. You could get all day. That's just a little dump in the bucket.
7:06James Harrison:So they missed that. That's one play where I think that one really turned momentum. I think there was a lot of plays in the game that could have changed, you know what I'm saying, the outcome. Well, of course. The plus you get to the end, the more, you know, it could have changed momentum, you know, the plays that you miss or make. But he missed that one, and they had to punt the ball. Mm-hmm. And like you said again, Scatterboo started giving them what they wanted. Mm-hmm. Go ahead. Yeah, I said it was out of control, man. Like, these two rookies was doing their thing on them. They went crazy.
7:38James Harrison:And then that's the one when they scored, and they started, like I said, the swag, the aura. Did you see them dancing together, having a good time, coming with the vibes? Oh, yeah. Like, everybody was – the energy was so real, bro. So I was rocking with just seeing them dudes. I'm like, yo, the Giants look sweet. They look energetic. You know what I'm saying? Everybody's making plays. So then that was made at 27 to 17. Yeah. Right. And then Eagles get the ball. Well, I ain't going to lie. That challenge was big because he ended up getting sacked. You know, the Giants challenged that catch. They reversed that catch.
8:11He ended up getting sacked, and they had to punt the ball.
8:14James Harrison:Okay, right. Yeah. Correct. But, like, you know, the killer was, you know, when they got to that fourth quarter, he shorted that ball and threw it a little behind him, and the dude was able to pick that off. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. like that that really you know it changed momentum like crazy where you know you thought they might have had a chance and then the Giants you know they get the ball hold on Debo we gotta go back we gotta go back we gotta go back to when we when my man when when I thought Jackson Dart was gonna be hurt and Russell came in and Russell came in and threw the ground ball and Debo got the screen and Debo I'm still going over that man that was just a glitch.
8:59You know how you get glitches in the game? That was just a quick little glitch. He had to go ahead and do what he did. Get back in there. I have to just say how much
9:06James Harrison:I laughed at how Debo was spazzing on the control. You know how you had the... Hey, everybody went into the tent. Hey, what's going on? You know he out here throwing this motherfucker in the dirt. Boy, it's 39. You see, he done threw it in the dirt. Oh, man. Okay, my bad. I just had the point. Yeah, I was going to let it slide, but you know what I'm saying? No, Debo, that had me laughing. I'm like, they are in dire need for that quarterback. If you don't get the hell out that tent, everybody went in the tent. Yes, everybody had to go in the tent. What's going on? These doctors don't know what the hell they did.
9:44Hold on, man. No, he's good. Debo was like, he's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get him on out here. Did you just see what we saw? Get him on out here. He's going to be all right. He's going to be all right. And like I said, he threw that pick, and then they get finally what we thought was a stop. They get a huge – Philly get a huge P.I. that keeps the drive alive, and they're able to score again, and it's 34-17, dude.
10:12James Harrison:Yes, sir. Yes, sir, 34-17. And then this is what I'm saying then. And then we got my man. Where is Saquon? They have him out the game. They keep giving the ball, dropping it off to Dylan. And no disrespect to A.J. Dillon. Coughed the Joan up. You know what I'm saying? Another turnover, which is going to literally finish the game. And then Scatterbrew and Singleton was able to run out. This is the demoralizing part of this, dude. Please. Them boys went six-minute offense on them. Yes. Okay? You know they're going to run the ball. Toting it. Run, run, run. And you cannot stop it over and over and over.
10:50And they run the clock out. with almost seven minutes left on the clock to end the game, bro. Yes, bro. That's moralizing right there. That's what reminded me of that Marshawn Lynch, and you keep hitting him in the face over and over and over and over. You know? They was turning shoulders. They was turning shoulders to some of them hits. He was lowering his shoulders, too, when they was getting towards that third and fourth quarter.
11:15James Harrison:Man, man, for sure. He lifted Scatterboot. He even went, bro, Scatterboot got the 15-yard penalty because he finally got lifted up out of bounds. His buddy took him off his feet and he ran back over like, yeah, it's still first down. And they threw a flag on him. I'm like, oh, man, you got to grow up on that. He still ran for the 15. He already ran. I don't care. He already know what you did to him. Go ahead. Don't give him a little cheap 15. He took the 15 and still went and got another first down though. I was like, oh, he don't care. They still ran out the clock after that. Like that wasn't like, oh, no, you going to give him the ball back, give him a chance.
11:46James Harrison:You messed it up. He's like, no, okay, I'll get that 15 back. And they know I'm toting it. Him and Singletary was running that thing crazy to close the game. I know they felt ridiculous. Yeah, yeah. Philly got some problems over there, dude. The offense, they only converted one third down, dude. Bro. One third down, 75 yards rushing, dude. Here's the thing. Like, you got 75 yards rushing. Last year, y 'all was second in rushing. Y 'all did 179 yards of rushing on average. like what are we talking about like you were almost 42 percent on third down I think that was 10th in the league and now as of today you're only getting 95 as a average for your rush per game like you're 26 dude you were built on rushing the ball last year you only had 187 yards pass in the game.
12:47This year, you're trying to do it more. You still only got 179 pass in the game. Last year, you was 28. This year, you... I mean, last year, you was 29. This year, you 28. Like, you ain't did nothing better, and your third-down efficiency done dropped to 34%. Like, situationally, you're terrible. Five out of the last six games, Saquon ain't even had over 60 yards rushing. You got Hurts getting sacked left and right rather he's missing receivers that's open not seeing them or whatever's going on you're you're not running the ball like you were built on like running the rock that's what y 'all did yes you have just totally abandoned it like you gotta you you gotta get back to it i don't i just don't understand it i mean you're exactly right there's no reason
13:39James Harrison:Saquon Barkley, how you started the game with the two carries for those explosive plays and you don't continue to give him the ball. Like, if he gets less than 15 touches, it's a crime. You have Saquon Barkley on your team, on your squad. How you going to get established to run? You have to continue to give him the ball. You got to keep some, like, there's no flow of the game when you're not getting him the ball, getting him going. And you don't have to keep giving it to him, throwing him a screen. Listen, you have to give him the ball, Ronnie. I don't care about touches and all. You have to give him the ball running.
14:11Why? Because he has the ability to go and make one dude miss and go ahead and strike the band up for 40, 50, 60 yards, whatever that may be. So for you to not consistently get him to ball to get those opportunities don't make no sense to me when you've already had success doing it last year. That's what you did. Now you don't let all these people running around here saying you're not being able to do this. He can't do that. He can't pass this. He can't catch this. I'm not catching that. Change what made y 'all successful. I don't understand that. I wouldn't care if I'm the head, dude. I don't give a damn what they say.
14:47If we winning, ain't nothing about to get changed. No. I don't care if we 28th, 29th and passing. We second in rushing. What are we talking about here?
14:59James Harrison:I don't understand it, though. I don't get it either, Debo. It's something. Something's up. Because he's not even in the game sometimes, though, Debo. So that's what I'm asking. The threat is not even there. He's not even in the game. So there has to be something where I'm like, what is going on? It has to be something. in the, like, why are the coaches not having Saquon in the game? I know to expect A.J. Dillon, but we saw what Saquon was able to do in leading that team to what they were able to do last year. It's not too much different than him getting less than 15 touches is when y 'all keep continuing to lose.
15:33James Harrison:There's something that I'm not seeing. Because if you have him on your team, he's healthy, he looks like he wants to get the ball, give him the rock. You know what I'm saying? Like, it doesn't seem to be like me and you saying the same thing. Listen, I done paid you all that money. I'm going to use you up. I'm not managing anything, man. We're about to get back to where we were and try and repeat this thing. The Giants, they two rookies came out there and did what they needed to do, and they're improving. From one game to the next, the offensive line actually played well, especially in the running game in the fourth quarter.
16:05You know I'm about to run the ball, and you can't stop it. Defense played great situational football. Third down, they only gave it 1 % on third down. Y 'all gave it one third down. One. I mean, I don't even know how many times that can be said in the game period. That's elite. Yes. And they're not known as like that super elite defense, but they have a good defensive line. But one third down?
16:33James Harrison:Those DNs, man, those like both all of them, like number zero, five, they're getting after the quarterback. And at the same time, the secondary, no miscommunications. No people just running Scott Frieda on the secondary. But at the same time, I'm going to say, when your offense is converting at a clip of 11, they were 11 for 16. I'm going to say 11 for 15 because Russell came in there and threw it in the dirt. So my man Jackson Dart, he was 11 for 15 for third downs. And that is— He was just making sure he didn't turn it over. No, just make—man, come on. He just made sure he didn't throw a pick.
17:04James Harrison:So I respect it. You know what I'm saying? It was what it was. I hope somebody—they didn't show the replay. I hope somebody tipped it. But that joint hit the ground, like, quick. So that was—I'm not blaming it on Dart. They was 11-15, and I saw that. That's the most since 2014 converting 11 third downs in the Giants' history. They haven't done that in 11 years. So him just going out there, being able to continue, being able to make those passes on third down, third and eights, overs, deep overs on the dime, and, like, dropping passes, not just touch balls. Like, no defense. A lot of those, they were saying that Dory Jackson wasn't in position.
17:39James Harrison:He was in position a lot of plays, and they were just making tough catches. Great passes in a spot where only the receiver can get it and you can't. So that was dark, being dark. And 195 yards isn't nothing to go home about, but the way that he was able to create on third, using his legs. What did he add? Like 13 rushes for 58 yards and a touchdown. 17 for 25, 195 and a touchdown. That's great football. And the way that he did it, being able to be so efficient on third down, moving the chains, keeping drives alive, that's winning football. and he looked like a baller. Like, if Jackson Dart can just do that, eliminate, he didn't have no turnovers.
18:17James Harrison:He was sacked probably two times. But, like, him being able to scramble, use his legs, and then keeping his eyes downfield. Those receivers aren't the best receivers. Like, nobody's going to be able to, none of those receivers are all pros. None of the receivers have been pro bowlers. He had dudes off the street. Right. And they were making them look great. Catch the ball, run the right route. I'm going to put it there. You just catch it. You know what I'm saying? That gives everybody confidence. Like, you do your job. I'm going to put the spot where it needs to be. You make the catch, and we're going to keep this thing going.
18:45James Harrison:So I'm very, very excited for the way that Jackson Dart was playing and the way he looked so calm. It looked like this is what I do. Your next unforgettable experience can happen anytime. Take an Amex card with you for rewards wherever you go. Morning coffee run with an old friend? Earn cash back. Weekend getaway? Earn miles. Amex rewards your inner explorer. Learn more at AmericanExpress.com. Terms apply. I'm normal. I've been doing this my whole life, and the moment's not too big. I'm out here chilling. I'm playing football, and I love it. Oh, yeah, for sure. He did well, no question. Hopefully they can keep improving.
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19:21New York might have something to root for. But let's get over here to the Browns-Steelers. Oh, shit. Aaron Rodgers, he shared why Pittsburgh has not been able to unlock the deep balls downfield. He said teams are playing cover two. When you're playing cover two, there's not going to be a ton of big shots down the field until we get them in one high, it's going to be precise passing and shorter the sticks. If you're playing cover two, there's not going to be a lot of shots open down the boundary. We've just got to be efficient. I absolutely understand what he's saying. I like it. The reason I'm good with it is because he's a veteran quarterback.
20:03He understands what needs to be done when it needs to be done and we don't have we it's not like we have a a really good offensive line we don't you know we got an average offensive line to to say the best in both you know passing and run blocking so a lot of these teams are playing cover two because they're not worried about the run so you have to do things that you know we do like the quick game passing alternative run game instead of, you know, trying to hand the ball off. But if we get to where we're able to now make you get into situations where you got to put that other guy in a box, you can't play cover two.
20:42The offensive line starts blocking well. We're able to run the ball well. That will open up the deep passes that you'll be able to get because now you'll get that single high. You got to get that other guy in a box because now we're running the ball effectively. so I have no problem with the you know with with the comments what's what's your uh what's your
21:01James Harrison:thoughts on it I'm the same way that you are Debo you know how it is I play DB and the best way to keep the deep ball from you is playing too high if you play cover two your corners you make sure you get hands on one and that dude is getting inside release so your safety can be able to use you keep you keeping a lid on everything so that makes your corners a little more active it keeps you light in the run game but him saying all of this is just football one-on-one and knowing the way you're going to do that is being able to get them positive runs. When they're playing cover two, tote the ball.
21:29James Harrison:The line blocks a little more. You start getting them six to tote. That's two carries. That's the first down. They're going to start playing some more cover one. They're going to start dropping that guy down in the box, trying to prevent you being able to get six yards a carry, seven yards a carry. When you start toting the ball, then that's going to start keeping that safety. They're going to start shooting down a little bit quicker. And that's going to have those one-on-ones outside being able to... When those safety drop, you see one dude in the middle of the field and he's pressed on DK. Now that's an opportunity for a deep ball.
21:54James Harrison:not when you got a corner back there and you got two safety sitting back there just waiting over the top yeah i'm saying like no when you get that one-on-one look like all right bet now you can safety get you can look off the safety and now you know it's him versus him if dk's beat him he's going to be a touchdown and that's like that's the that's the looks that you want so when you don't have defense cover two we're going to keep a lid on it there's they're not going deep there's defense you can call we're like no it's going to be able to prevent the deep passes so he's speaking football one-on-one and the way to change that is you know start running the ball start toting it start being able to get those runs where now they got to add another person in the box yeah definitely Tomlin shared uh what separates Dylan Gabriel from other NFL rookies he said he's older more experienced than most rookies I think timely I think timely possessing I think timely processing Timely processing I think his experience and that super and that superpower has to be on display and I think that was one of the central reasons why the Browns went to him my I mean I totally understand what he's saying here again you know you got Dylan Gabriel he's what would he play over 60 games started at Oregon.
23:16His last year there, he completed almost 73 % of his passes, bro. 30 tugs, only six interceptions. So yeah, he's going to process things faster. He's going to get it in and out of his hands. He done seen it. He has a better understanding of it. And on top of that, something else, dude, he's a dual threat. He can take off on you. It ain't like you sitting back there with Joe Flacco, you know what I'm saying? I know, hey, he go be in the pocket. I could go on head and I could lose, contain and everything else. He'll catch back up to him. You know? He don't get around you. Like, what do you see in the enemy's quarterback?
23:55Because I see you got your Steelers jersey on. They must be the enemy today. I don't know.
23:59James Harrison:I told you, Debo, I could do both. You know what I'm saying? Range, Debo. I got range. So, back to Dylan Gabriel. you. I'm understanding completely what Coach Tomlin is saying. I think it's like, from what I've seen with Dylan, he protects the football, being able to, he says, timely processing is his superpower. So making quick decisions, being able to, you know what I'm saying, get back, once you hit that back step, being able to let the ball go and being able to make good decisions. He doesn't throw interceptions. And if nothing's there, he'd be able to use his legs. So I understand what Coach T is saying.
24:32James Harrison:He doesn't turn the ball over and he's quick to make decisions. He played a lot of football when he was in college, too. So from the first game that I saw him play when he did in Minnesota, his first start, a lot of same things. Quick to process, but able to get the ball out of his hands fast. But I just need him to make some of those deeper throws. So not bad, but still some of the things that Coach Tomlin is saying is exactly the same things and what we saw and why he's still going to be able to be the quarterback for the next couple of weeks. Yeah, quarterbacks. Speaking of quarterbacks, they are actually the Browns.
25:02I don't know if I want to say y 'all or they. When it's the boy, you say the Browns, you can still say y 'all. Y 'all, okay. I ain't going to be saying no we. I'm going to say us then. Okay. Okay. So y 'all are actually paying eight quarterbacks. Four of them are on the team, but only two of them are active. One is on practice squad. and uh your boy uh kevin stefanski said he don't know who the backup is i mean i'm doing the math right now the backup
25:42listen i was trying not to listen listen listen listen i was trying not to like give any like oh y 'all trying to uh you know fuck over door all this other stuff i was trying to like trying to keep it even but this right here you telling me your head coach don't know who his backup is and
25:59James Harrison:he only got two of them on the active roster huh this bro debo i'm gonna tell you this i'm gonna go ahead get to it we only all right no bump it it ain't no way he wanted this man on his team bro that's the most i don't know who my backup quarterback is you only got two of them you just traded the one that was supposed to be two right now three gotta be two i can't they play What are you talking about? You know what, Debo? They're talking about Zappy. They're talking about they're disrespecting right now. Who is Zappy? Our practice squad quarterback. So you're telling me you're going to bring him up for practice squad and make him two in front of your door?
26:40Listen.
26:43James Harrison:Debo, I'm not telling you what I'm going to do. This is what I'm trying to tell you right now. And this is where I'm ready to go. Can you hear me? Hey, listen, man. Can you hear me? Why didn't y 'all just trade him to Cincinnati? No, no, no. You traded Flacco over there, and he was your two, and you still don't know who your two is. Now, hell, you could have. Debo. Huh? No, this is what I'm trying to tell you. You need to let me tell you something. This right here is straight disrespectful. Why I'm saying this is, I don't give a damn. Shador was your fifth round pick after you picked Dylan Gabriel.
27:23James Harrison:I understand all of this. This is just your fifth round pick. Joe Flacco starts. Dylan Gabriel is second. Shador is third. Zappy didn't even make your active roster. He couldn't even make your team. So just mathematically, you don't disrespect your fifth round pick like this. Joe Flacco gets his opportunity. The second round pick, the third round pick, Dylan, now he gets the opportunity. He's the starter now. You got rid of Flacco. Boom. Shador is number two. If you don't make Shador your number two, now you're being very disrespectful. I have to ask you, why is he not your number two? Yes. Because now you're trying to throw in Zappi?
28:01James Harrison:He couldn't even make your active roster. You had three quarterbacks to start the season. Just the way it goes. One is gone, then the other one comes up. Then he gone, and now he moves up. Hey, hey, hey, listen. Hold on, hold on, hold on. What is this going to do to the locker room for guys who are in support of Shador? But anybody that's in support of— If you go out there and you say you don't know who your backup number two quarterback is, I'm looking at you as a head coach. It's like, this is the dumbest motherfucker in the world. It's the most disrespectful motherfucker in the world. How do you do this?
28:36James Harrison:Like, end of the day, I understand if you don't like Shador, if you do like him, if you don't like him. As a football team— Oh, he don't like him for sure. It's on display right now. Obviously now. You can't convince me of nothing else right now. No, for sure. He definitely don't like him. He definitely don't like him. He definitely don't like him. And I don't even like to get like this because it's really supposed to be you are – football is the only sport where you're going to get your opportunity because it's how good you are. And when you play and then, like, it don't matter about nothing.
29:04James Harrison:It don't matter about your color. It don't matter about nothing. It's if you can perform, you can play. So right now, with Dylan is on, you drafted this man. You had Petty, whatever. Like, he should be back up to get his opportunity. Your head coach creating more drama. You're creating shit. You only got two quarterbacks on your team. All you had to do was say, yes, Shador is the backup. Why would he not? You went out of your way to say you don't know. Yes. You're going out of your way. Deebo, he's going out of his way to create something. And then at the same time, like, then they want to protect him.
29:35James Harrison:When he was the third string quarterback, don't keep him, don't have him available to speak to the media. He doesn't want to talk to the media. He has nothing to say to the media because he knows that he's not going to play. So he's going to chill and do what he got to do. Y 'all keep making him available, letting him be available. Y 'all handled it wrong. Y 'all don't want Shedore to be there. So let him go. Zero. Let him go. Let him go. I'm good on that because, yeah, they're doing him wrong as a football player. As a draft pick for the Browns, I would feel disrespected. For sure. For sure. And as the locker room, I'm like, yo, I was trying to be even killed with it.
30:15But, yo, they really do not like this cat, man. They don't like him.
30:20James Harrison:And they just got rid of my good man, Greg Newsome, too. It makes no sense. Falling this year, having a great year, great, one of the best locker room dudes ever, and just got rid of him. I don't get it. I don't get it. hey Bruce you know you know B.A. Bruce Arians he was the coordinator for us head coach in Arizona he said I don't know how how you keeping this job this long like how do you after that how I don't you're the owner oh that's that shit you was talking about in Cleveland how they don't know what the hell they're doing period is that what you was talking about I mean right now with this the way that it's looking is I don't know what to say like they don't they They obviously don't know what they're doing.
31:08James Harrison:Like, it's just all bad moves and bad business. It's the way you treat people. I mean, at the end of the day, too, the Steelers, they do a better job. Like, can you pick it? They picked a first-round draft pick. They knew they messed up. They were able to move on. They're grown. They can make decisions and move on and be able to take accountability. You got to be able to take accountability when you make a bad move and move on and grow up and then make better moves moving forward. Like, move like a business. Don't do that. Like, this is just crazy. Well, hey, listen. At least the Bengals think that, you know, they got a better chance at, you know, we hope this season when they got Flacco, you know.
31:47Do you think, what do you think they, you think they got a better chance with Flacco in there? I mean, they don't, I mean, he going to throw the ball.
31:58James Harrison:Jamar Chase is going to have some numbers. Tee Higgins is going to have his opportunities. Flacco's a vet. I mean, he's going to have those receivers that he's, I mean, he's going to give them a chance. He's going to throw it up. So, I mean, I don't believe in the Bengals. I don't think the Bengals are going to be doing too much better. I think Flacco is going to make them serviceable, but I don't see them winning too many more games than they would have with Browning. Well, it says, gives the team hope. Hope for this season. Oh. There's more hope. There's more hope than they had with the other cat.
32:32I think they're definitely going to have a better chance with Joe. If the defense is able to play as well as they did against the Lions, but again, they're still, what, a 30th-ranked defense right now. They're giving up a lot. They actually had some good stuff, but at the same time, they're giving up sacks too. The offense is dead last. Flacco is not going to help you with anything on the rush. Like, he's going to be sitting back there in the pocket, you know. Just, you know. They're going to give you no scramble yards. He's going to be able to do more than like 170 yards a game. But who knows?
33:14You're going to get more sacks. That's no question. Because he will be sitting right there in the pocket. You ain't got to worry about him running nowhere. You're going to know where he at. But if he, you know, if he gets on time, he gets his timing good and everything is, yeah, it's going to look different. It got to look better than what they had. Yeah. It got to look better than what they had. Unless he go and do what he did with Cleveland with all them picks, I don't know. It might look something like the same.
33:42James Harrison:That's what I'm trying to say. I'm not knocking Flack. I love Joe. Joe Flack is a good man. But we're talking, it's a performance-based sport. And it's the NFL. It's the best of the best. Like, you're getting played to play a game. So at the end of the day, now while I'm on this side, I understand why you're going to be able to get graded accordingly. You know what I'm saying? The eye on the sky don't lie. If you're just throwing picks up in the air and miscommunications over there, you haven't been in that situation. So hopefully you can learn the offense a little faster because you've been in the league for a while.
34:14James Harrison:But I remember when you were in Cleveland and when we got you up out of there and I was asking for them to get you up out of there. I know it could be a change of scenery, but you're going to year 19, year 18. Like, I mean, I don't know. I just don't think it could be too much of a, like, jolt of energy. You know what I'm saying? That Joe Flacco's going to throw to the Bengals to make them do too much better. Hope, understandably. Hope. We all got hope. We all got hope. Hope, faith, and charity. Hope, faith, and charity. Man, Michael Everton went off on a podcast for them saying that Deion Sanders couldn't cover the current NFL receivers, man.
34:49Listen to this. The receivers from back then? Might not be prime, though. These guys that he played against weren't that fast, bro They were stronger, but they weren't that fast These guys, no I would love to see him I would love to see him play against Chad in his prime I would love to see him play against Justin Jefferson Right now in the day You know, all these different guys I would love to see him cover Tyreek If prime is who we think he is Are you shitting me?
35:18James Harrison:We are the two most accomplished receivers in the history of this game. When you're talking about the most important things, championships, and your stupid ass talking about running fast, like people weren't running fast back then, are you shitting me? What the hell are you talking about? I don't even know your name. Dude. Hey, man. What you think, Devo? I am right there with him. It is more players back then that could play now and have greater success than it is players right now that could play back then because you had to worry about getting your head took off. you could bang a receiver every play it wasn't about oh he's not by the ball all that you run your route and the play is about to be dead and over don't be surprised that safety come down and just block you anyway they give you two what are you talking about they give you two more steps dude yes it was a whole two steps it was a whole two steps we only had one the receivers would not last back then like you the receivers back then coming to now man you can't touch them you can't do none of that and you got guys back then who were getting beat up all the way up the field still breaking loose and getting catches now you touch a dude after five yards and they're going first down what are you talking about don't nobody even know who this goofball he is anyway like anybody can say anything that they want to dude is out of his rabbit ass mind just running his mouth for clout and and bullshit dude i don't even that is crazy for that to even be said like the game is way too physical back then probably for half of these receivers now to even played in did i mean i'm so i'm that what 1000 deon sanders would do whatever he wants to do his speed his knowing with the ball knowing the game his ball skills deon sanders in my opinion was the best cornerback player i've ever seen in my life and that is just off the strength of just the swag the way he was able to play the ball and picks like you're going to be so disrespectful to say one of the greatest to ever play the position couldn't play into, huh?
37:57James Harrison:No, primetime. They need to cancel your podcast for that, bro. Primetime Deion Sanders, and that's when they was literally like, he was being able to put hands in. They were playing real ball. That's why I respect them OGs too, because you can put your hands on the receivers and the receivers too. I respect them even more because you was getting beat up for real. So you being able to get through this, being able to know I'm running this slant, I got him grabbing on my arm. I'm about to get fumbled upside my head, catching it, and still coming through there and lasting. No alligator arms, no nothing.
38:27James Harrison:It was just gangsters out there playing. And I think with Deion's speed, the way that you can't watch the tape and know Deion's running 4-2. Deion's catching these picks. He's undercutting these routes. Talking about speed, what? Did you know how fast he was? You can't have no clue about what you're talking about. You have no idea. If you got anybody that's following you right now watching your show, they need to unsubscribe because if I see they following you, I'm going to consider them just as stupid as you, if not more. Saying that Deion couldn't, he said that Deion wouldn't be able to cover these NFL receivers.
39:09James Harrison:That is ridiculous. Debo, Deion Sanders that played professional baseball, that ran around. Two, two-way professional. Ran around the Florida State, like at the combine, ran through the joint and left. Knew he was getting drafted, like all the chains for the joint. Everybody trying to play. Deion already knew what time it was. He had swag before swag and then went and got picks and won Super Bowls. Changed franchises. This is my house in Atlanta. Go back there and run six back and talk to people crazy. Like, Jerry Rice. Talk to him crazy. Michael Irvin, talking to him crazy. Like, real Hall of Famers, real goat jacket guys.
39:49James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? Like, I understand Jamar Chase, definitely. But at the same time, he would have to deal with prime. You know what I'm saying? No question. Don't get it wrong. Like, everybody would have to deal with prime the same way. Dude, the safeties back then? Stop playing, man. It ain't no, oh, if I don't catch the ball, they can't. No, you go get hit. The ball will be three yards away and you go get mollywhopped. Regardless. see if you come back out for the next play. That's crazy. You're going to be running across that middle, like you said, with them alligator arms, not reaching for nothing, all of that.
40:26That's not...
40:27James Harrison:That's one thing I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever do is disrespect the OGs. You can't. You can't. That's my big thing, dude. Like, you can't... Never. The biggest... uh i ain't gonna say honor it was an honor like like the biggest thing that i ever got told to me was by the old school players like uh joe green you know i'm saying mean joe um lambert like guys like that that were like yo you could have played with us back then like as a linebacker yes that's them say that to you? I'm like, oh yeah, for sure. The best thing you can ask for is just the recognition of the OG, the people that came before you that you want to just show them that you're trying to hold it down, do it the right way.
41:19James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? And like approval, like yes, man, I'm out here working. Try and get it. That's why I love OGs that always come back and look out and you always going to respect the OGs. Always. Dude, no question, dude. I had something, D-Boy, I wanted to ask you, too. Man, I wanted to tell you, actually. I seen this best four linebacker joint from my man. He posted it of all time. And they had Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher, you, and one other. Dude, it was four of them, bro. How they ain't got Lawrence Taylor on there? It was LT. LT, LT. Obviously, my bad. My bad, my bad, my bad. And LT, it was four.
41:58James Harrison:It was LT, Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher, and you. that was the joint that my man posted from DC I got it and it was I was like this that's real love right there oh no question real love I had to let you know that Debo I saw it yesterday and I was like I'm a screenshot I'm gonna send it to you but everybody crazy love LT Ray Lewis but when they put my good man my co I'm his co-host my good man Debo I just wanna let you know I appreciate that we see you Debo we see you OG whoever put that up we gonna go ahead and put you on the screen. We're going to go ahead and get you some more, whatever it is, but we love that.
42:35That's a good one. We love that.
42:39Dude, speaking of recognition, I guess this is not the kind of recognition you want. Chris Jones, he admitted his mistake, I guess, letting up on the touchdown. Yeah. You ever been in a situation like that where you was like, yo, I stopped, but I – then I restarted, but you ever, you ever, you ever, I know I've done it. I've done it once. And from that point forward, I'm like, yo, if I feel like I have any chance of getting there, like I got to keep running because you play it back in your head and you like, dang, if I did that, especially when you lose, like it, it could have won us the game.
43:21Everybody has a situation like that, but I don't, I've never had a situation like to that extreme where I stop. I may give a little less effort. One time that I did, it was like, yeah, I gave the jog. And if I hadn't, I know for sure I could have got there.
43:40What's your take on guys that do this and consistently do it, like multiple plays?
43:49James Harrison:I mean, the first thing we learned, Debo, was to get to the ball. You know what I'm saying? And then the difference was in the NFL was that everybody has to be touched down. Everybody has to be touched down. So as a cornerback, they always made sure that they taught us, you know what I'm saying, if the receiver catches it, goes down, make sure you down and make sure you touch them down. So my biggest thing is always trying to just finish the play. You know what's going to happen as a DB? I'm trying to cover when the quarterback falls down. I know it was funny because the defense alignment, you're trying to just go touch the quarterback because you can get it.
44:21James Harrison:Hey, they trying to get there fast. They run into that quarterback so fast. I got to get to it. Oh, that's me. That's me. That's the sack. I'll give it that sack. If the quarterback calls and you touch him, that's the easiest sack in the world. So, like, I'm like, when them boys was trying to steal that, I would never be able to touch somebody on the ground before they would touch him. So, my whole thing was I would know, like, get him down. My defensive linemen were always thirsty for those extra sacks. But, I mean, I don't mean to want to fault him in that. But at the end of the day, you with D-Lyman, the bloat playing to the whistle.
44:54James Harrison:It's the fourth quarter. Hopefully, if he is down, you can steal the sack. Make sure the referees blow the whistle. If you didn't hear nothing, keep going. I don't know if you heard a whistle or something, but he stood up to it. It's a mistake. I know he didn't mean any harm by it, and it hurts more when you lose the game. You could really just win in there, probably tap them down. You know what I'm saying? Even in the process of him getting back up, it was stop, start, stop, start, stop, start. Bro, he was just looking like he was glitching. Like, is this play really happening? Or is it blown down?
45:25James Harrison:Did he really get up, fall down, get up, fall down? But, yeah, so I think he knew it was a mistake. Get to the – if you see him running, hit him. It's still live action. We still in the game. You know what I'm saying? Like, referees going to let you know when the play is over. Oh, yeah, no question about that. Yeah. I think that's a – you know, and I think you add into it the fact that he might have been tired too. You know what I'm saying? You know, fatigue will make a coward out of all of us. On the ball, on the ball, on the ball. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, it's hit and miss, but I respect the fact that he owned up to it.
46:03And, you know, it's like, yeah, that's definitely something that shouldn't happen.
46:09James Harrison:And as a captain, as a leader, you know, eye in the sky don't lie. The tape, you looking at it like this, what are you? You got a person just standing on the tape. Like, that's not a good look. Look, you post the games going on, sir. Run. You know what I'm saying? If you need one, we'll get you one in there. I know there's plenty of little backup dude ready to get in the game. Thirsty for action. Like, if you can't run, get out. But you don't want to harm your team. Yeah, yeah. Like, if my 50 % is still better than the dude behind me fresh 100%, like, why do we even have him on the team? Like, we got to get out of here.
46:43We got to self-evaluate and be able to be like, yo, let me get out of here, get some breath that that's the best and then pop back in and you know two three plays or whatever but when it's in that situation you're at close you know you're thinking oh man I gotta stand here I gotta I gotta do what I can but when it turns out looking like that and you could have had a fresh body in there that was going 100 miles an hour you know it makes you it makes you rethink the situation so thousand percent 100 you know agree understand all that but um at least he took
47:16James Harrison:ownership for it, man. Yeah, no, that's the biggest part. Like, just not trying to make excuses for it. Like, Chris Jones is a grown ass man. Yeah, like saying I don't know who my backup quarterback is, you know, and you only got two of them on the damn team. I don't know. Y 'all over there, y 'all messed up over there, man. Speaking of that, the Rams linebacker Jerry Ver stated that he'd be fucking furious if Lamar Jackson isn't playing on Sunday. He said that Lamar was on his sack list with Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen. You know, I think, what do you think when guys stand things like this?
47:53James Harrison:You are a linebacker, so you sacking the quarterback. What do you think about this? Me? Yes. Now, so here again, I don't want to give bulletin board material. Okay. The reason I like it and dislike it, I dislike it because you just gave bulletin board material of personally getting a sack on Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen. Now, what you also did is said, I'm going to whoop the lines of the Ravens, the Bills, and the Chiefs. So now you just told all three of these people that, yo, I'm putting these on my sack list, so I got to play them. It don't matter who the hell is in front of me.
48:47and to hell with all that so you just gave bulletin board material now in the fact of if you put it like this I had um actually I did an interview I don't know if we could play but I did an interview with Bill Cowher and they were asking a question like if you saw I believe it was um Terrell Suggs broke down on the side of the road coming into the game on Sunday would you pick him up? And I say, yes, I would pick him up. The reason I would pick him up is because I want their team at full strength. So there's no excuses why you lost this game. You weren't missing anybody. Nobody was hurt and everybody was there healthy on time prepared.
49:26Now that is an answer that I would love to hear and go for, of course, because I gave it, you know, but the reasoning is because I want you at full strength. So there's no excuse on why you lost this game. You weren't missing anyone the i'm going to get a sack on these three guys means i'm going to get a sack on these three guys and i'm gonna whoop whoever hell is in front of me no matter what they do they ain't gonna be able to stop me that's why i like it and don't like it what about you so i'm more i don't like
50:00James Harrison:offensive players i mean defensive players you're gonna have to go deal with them so i i like i like that he's saying it because he has a job to do. He's going to be able to go against these tackles and get the job done. Bulletin board material is not something that I like for anybody to do. You know what I'm saying? There's no reason for it, I don't think. You know what I'm saying? I'm not mad at it because end of the day, you're going to have to go out there, you're going to have to perform, and you're going to have to stand on what you did. And you saying that isn't going to make my job any more difficult.
50:31James Harrison:I'm going to have to go out here and cover these people and do my job. So I just want them to, if you do talk, I just want you to perform. So at the end of the game when we watching the tape, what you talking about, don't be getting thrown all out the club. Let me see you going to work. You know what I'm saying? Like be going to work and be on your shit. So then, now we good. You went and got your one because being able to go, you want to, we're going against the best anyway. So saying like bucket list stuff, he's not knocking them. He's saying basically he's giving them love. Lamar Jackson's GOAT.
51:00James Harrison:Patrick Mahomes, fire. Josh Allen, amazing. Once I do that, that's bucket list. Like, those dudes are the best of the best. And when I get them, I'm geeked about it. So it's in a respectful way, but it's in the same way, like, you got to go do it. So I'm not against it, but go ball out and just don't be out there looking crazy. Because then when you get to looking crazy, you're going to get a couple shots to go, like, talking shit. You can go talk. How are you going to back it up? I mean, if you're backing it up, I'm not mad at you. Because I'm not the one that's going to be out there talking.
51:28James Harrison:I'm going to go in there, give no bulletin board material. I know it's a job that's going to be done. These dudes are going to be trying to whip my tail regardless. So I'm not going to give them no reason to go any extra. I'm just going to go out there, handle my business, step off, be geeked. And other dudes go about it their way. You know what I'm saying? It's cool, but don't be out here talking and putting me in a position to be having to handle your business, and then you out here looking crazy. If you're handling business and you're talking shit and laying names, let's go. I'm right behind you.
51:56James Harrison:Let's rock out. Did you have any team or players, opponents that you look forward to during your career? So honestly, it was in a bad, I look forward to playing Antonio Brown. I look forward to playing you guys, us, when I was with the Browns. No, you're right. You guys, say it again. When I was with the Browns, I look forward to playing against the Steelers because Antonio Brown and Big Ben and Mike T, that was unbelievable. The connection, because we came in together. Me and AB came in 2010. I was first, and then he was like fifth round, went to the Steelers. Emmanuel Sanders came in that joint, and y 'all have Mike Wallace, too.
52:38James Harrison:So I look forward to playing AB because I knew the Browns, they were putting me out the drive. Joe, you in the first round, you get paid the big bucks, you got AB. You know what I'm saying? That's your job. That's your thing. So then it was AB. I look forward to playing him because I knew he was going to come with the work, and I knew I was even going to get put on SportsCenter, or if I made a play, I was going to be on SportsCenter. And then it was AJ Green. I was always looking forward to playing him too because sometimes Andy would throw me one, but AJ would sometimes get me to work. But I knew these dudes are capable.
53:07If I come out here tripping, I can get embarrassed.
53:10James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? They got me man-to-man versus these dudes out on the island. My mom and kids and family are watching. There's nothing funny about this. My mom and my papa hit everybody. My mom and my papa hit everybody. My granny hit everybody. My kids, everybody watching. So I just know I'm in this game. We're playing man-to-man. We're single high. So it can be vertical ball stone. So I need to make sure I'm locked. You had to drop the other man in the box to worry about that run back then, baby. Come on, man. I was worried. Yeah, they were just, yeah, they'll go over there. So it was really Antonio Brown and Ben mainly and then A.J.
53:40James Harrison:Green. How about you? You look forward to playing any quarterbacks or like one of the dogs, like knew any lines was weak? Dude, I look forward to playing everybody. I play mind games with myself, dude. The fact that a team showed up and they didn't forfeit, I ain't lying, though. I took it as disrespected. Like, you came here because you thought you had an opportunity to win, to whoop my ass, to beat us, to dominate. Whatever that process is that you need to come away with that W. I don't. So I'm mind gaming myself from the beginning that you even showed up. You know, that got to be disrespectful to me.
54:17You should have just went on here. y 'all head coaches would have been like, yo, we saying what we saying. We don't even want to step out there. Let's forfeit this shit, man. Y 'all know how good we are if you're getting hurt. You know what I'm saying? We don't want to get nobody hurt. We don't want to get a quarterback put to sleep, running back, receiver, whatever it was. Like, so that was the mind game I played with myself. I mean, even as, you know, I started, you know, in my career and, you know, I was all pro and all that. Each year I came in and I'm like, I'm hoping and praying that they draft a linebacker, an outside linebacker, because now I'm already in my head.
54:52Are you drafting his dude to replace me, huh? Okay. I got something for you. Like, each year I came in, bro, I'm fighting to make this team. Yeah. I got a contract that's guaranteed. I'm not even thinking about that. I got to make this team.
55:08James Harrison:When you trying to be – and that's that mindset too, D-Bo. When you're a dog and you're really trying to be the best of the best and the best you can possibly be of anything, nothing else that nobody else really got going on matters. And you kind of come in a competition with yourself. Like, I'm going to be the best because I'm going to work harder than everybody. I'm going to show you and I'm going to dominate. And there's nothing nobody can really tell you. So you discipline. You're going to be in place on time. You're going to eat certain things. You're going to act a certain way because you know you got a goal.
55:38James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? So that whole mental state, I feel like that I know that you're on. And when certain football, when players get into that zone and like, like, you know greatness when you see it. Because, you know, people are trying to really strive to something like they're working on some of their discipline. They come in this joint, they're dedicated, they're focused. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like each year I would come in and, you know, I'm relearning the defense and I do my flashcards and all that. And through that process, you know, everybody like, yo, bro, you've been here for like six years.
56:08What you doing, bro? I'm like, I'm learning the defense, dude. I need to know what I need to do. So once I got down what it was that I knew I had to do to where I could look at the here to call and be like, OK, I got to do this, that and third. And if something happens, it's a nuance of it, of this. Now I need to know what my. End is doing and then I need to know what my corner is doing. Then I need to know what my safety is doing. I need to know what my inside linebacker is doing. So now I know what this whole half of the line over here is doing. Why? Because if I know what everybody over here is doing and I have nothing in my area, I know what I can do to better help my teammate, which helps us, which helps the whole team.
56:51and same thing now from there i'm like all right i want to know what's happening on the other side what that what that corner is doing what that safety is doing you know what i'm saying so that i again if nothing's here i can better help them help myself same thing all right i know my corner he gonna be sitting here squatting right here so i could go ahead and when i see that little that he gonna do i don't even got a bite on it because i know my corner will be sitting there I could go ahead and get back because I know they're about to try and throw the seven 15 yards behind me. You know what I'm saying?
57:25Things like that. So, yeah, for me, it was a mind game that I was able to play with myself, like, all the way until the end of my career, bro.
57:37James Harrison:That's the way to do it, bro. And then I bet when you get into it like that, too, and you start learning your position and not only just your stuff, you start learning everybody else's. you start meeting when your linebacker knows his job and your job and everybody else's that communication is like so effortless y 'all looking at something and see it without seeing like like this y 'all know what's about to happen all right bet he go here i'm gonna go here like it's just that soft communication so like it's just it just starts and that's the same thing dude like when you blitzing you know you faking a blitz if i'm sitting up here it's strings it's strings attached Right.
58:12Somebody has to be moving. If I'm sitting up here faking a blitz like I'm about to come down, I need my safety back here to play with me like he's rolling down to that curl flat. Now, when he see the two, he like, oh, yeah, it's about to be a real blitz, and now we drop out of there.
58:23James Harrison:Yes. Now we sitting there, and, you know, I'm sitting out here on the two, and I'm supposed to be blitzing, but the damn safety done came and sat right behind me because he don't want to play on the – listen, dude, if I'm sitting here and you come sit behind me, he know I'm coming. Don't give me up. He ain't sitting behind me for nothing. Get on the string with me, man. And then come down when you see me take off because you're giving him an opportunity to read the mail before we even delivered it, dude. Like, they're like, yo, yeah, we got it on tracking GPS right here. Yeah, it's coming. They three blocks down.
58:54Like, you're not helping the situation. That's something else. Like, you got younger guys. That's why when you get older guys, groups like we had, you know, from like 2007 to 12, 6, 5, whatever it is, like, you got a group of dudes that's been with each other for a while. So they know and understand every concept of this defense and what needs to be done to make the defense better, to make each player better. If you go out there and, you know, I'm doing my job well, but my corner is doing his job even better. And my D line is doing it. It's going to make me look as if I am doing far better than what I may actually be doing, which will help you get some money down the line.
59:35If you're a person that's there and your D-line is rushing the passer like crazy and he has to throw that rock and you a DB, he got to get rid of it. Now you getting more picks because he slinging, he ducking, he gunning and ducking. Like easy work. You're not out there covering for six seconds. Right. Now, if I got, you know, my DBs, I got y 'all out there and y 'all covering like, you know, flies on shit, I get more time to get to the quarterback.
1:00:04James Harrison:A thousand percent. We all work together. Yeah. So, listen, before we get out of here, we got to thank you guys for joining us. Yes. Evo and Joe, okay? Again, make sure you guys like and subscribe. But we're going to be back here on Monday. And somebody is playing on Sunday. We playing against y 'all bum asses. So, you who you for, Joe? Huh? Who I'm going for? Why you make like you can't hear every time I ask you this? Huh? Huh? I told you what I'm doing. I'm rooting for a good game. I hope Dylan Gabriel goes out there. I want to see what you're going to do, man. Let's see. You want to see what he's going to do or you want him to do a certain thing?
1:00:50I can tell you what I want Aaron Rodgers to do. I can tell you what I want the defense. I can tell you what I want the offense to do. I want him to come out there, run the ball down Cleveland's motherfucking throat, and Aaron Rodgers pass for another 300. come away from that game with 600 yards, defense go out there, get 10 sacks, three picks, two touchdowns, and they don't get nothing but three yards. That's what I want. What you want, Joe?
1:01:19James Harrison:I don't want that. I want it to be probably, let's say, I want two great defensive games, you know offense both played you know what I'm saying pretty well you know and you know both teams lead the stadium you know what I'm saying feeling like feeling good and feeling like they're moving in a positive direction that's what I want I know he ain't talking to me who the hell is he talking to he feeding some I mean he think I'm supposed to eat that shit and believe that shit hey man what's up I just told you I felt Look, it's past the time, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, listen, man. Y 'all come back here on Monday.
1:02:06Okay? Joe go be here. Let's see what Joe wearing on Monday. Because I promise you, if you come in some Cleveland gear, and by the grace of God, some way, they done prayed hard enough to get through to the Lord, and they done give him a W, if you come in here laughing and gloating and smiling, and have some Cleveland stuff on, I'm going to go.
1:02:31I'm a snap.
1:02:34James Harrison:I'm coming right there to VA. Hey, man, listen. Y 'all come live, man. Catch me and Debo, man. Make sure y 'all like, subscribe. Catch us on Monday so you can see, you know what I'm saying, how Debo feels after the game. I know how I'm going to feel. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to feel like either... I'm going to feel like my two teams play and I'm going to know if one is going to, if it's going really, really good or really, really bad. That's what I'm going to know. Listen, man, y 'all come back here Monday for the Stiller W and we out.
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Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to a Thursday Night Football where Jaxson Dart and the New York Giants took down Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles. Later, Deebo & Joe breakdown the biggest matchups heading into Week 6 of the 2025 NFL season!
Timeline:
00:00 - Eagles fall to Giants
17:40 - Shedeur not Brown QB2
27:00 - Joe Flacco to Bengals
29:56 - Michael Irvin GOES OFF
38:00 - Chris Jones slacking
43:00 - Lamar Jackson Playing?
56:40 - Who is Joe rooting for?
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