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25:26Harrison just had the best game of his NFL career. He found him. He got it to him. You know? I don't know if Kyler got any more guaranteed money left on that contract than that. I don't know. But it's looking like he might get Wally Pipp. You know Wally Pipp, right? Hey, Buster's always say, don't get Wally Pipp. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying. You know, Brissette, he's standing in that pocket. When that pocket's closing on him, he's standing there and he's delivering. Kyler's only what? 5 '10", 5 '11", at best? When that pocket starts to close, he can't just stand in there. That's why they got to move him around, do all that.

26:13He can't see over them dudes, man. And now, with him being so injury prone, there ain't no guaranteed money left, man. You guys should move on. Why would you give him another, what are you getting, like almost$45,$46 million? He probably make about$50 million. And Berset's numbers for every game he's played has been better than all of his numbers for the games he's played this year. Like, it's not one game where he passed more, had whatever it was, than what Berset did over the last, what, three, four games, whatever it is. He had an opportunity to beat Green Bay. Berset's definitely throwing the ball on time.

26:56He's looking efficient. You know what I'm saying? I'm with you 100%. I think maybe with Kyler Murray, too, he's been in his time. I think Kyler Murray could be a good quarterback for sure. I mean, his time may be not done in Arizona. You know what I'm saying? Like just being a different atmosphere, a different spot. I just like the way, just being able to, the way that their offense is flowing, him not being able to see over the top of the line. Jacoby, he's just throwing the ball on time. When you see one-on-ones, sometimes it's not that hard. I think Jacoby's doing the simple thing. You're seeing they playing man-to-man on your best.

27:29When you got the simple thing, you know, and you're doing it, but you don't have the height to see over it, you can't get to it. So all the times where, you know, a receiver is open, he don't get it to him. He may not be able to see him. I mean, you can hear Tua say something about he couldn't see him. How tall is Tua? You know, they made sure they got the ball, you know, to Marvin this time. You know what I'm saying? I mean, it could have something to do with Marvin Harrison Sr. stating something like, you know, if he was in that offense, you know, in his prime, that they basically sent him a prepaid envelope to send his gold jacket back to the Hall of Fame from Cam.

28:12Oh, man. Basically, he said he wasn't doing what's necessary to get the man the ball. He got, what, nine targets? Most that he's had all his, you know, since he came out. I mean, I don't know. You don't do that when you're a guy day one. That's what I'm supposed to do. No, I mean, and I think some of the stuff, too, is it could be at the end of the day, like Colin Murray not forcing him to ball, not force-feeding him, but Jacoby, at the same time, knowing I'm in here, I have this baller, I'm going to make sure if he's better than the dude covering him, why would I not target him more than not?

28:50You know what I'm saying? Why did they do that before, though? I mean, that's the quarterback's decision maybe. Like, you drop him back and everybody's running their pass routes. Maybe you got a primary, but if it's man-to-man, I'm going to throw it to who I want to throw it to. I'm going to throw it to Marvin Harrison Jr. that's running this dig route on this corner I think he's going to beat. You know what I'm saying? Like, I could think of it like that. So I think Jacoby just taking the easy money. Like, maybe don't overthink it. Kyle Murray might be just like, all right, I'm going to drop back in.

29:17Wherever it is on this man, I'm going to have a – He has a different thought process going. Jacoby or like Flacco. When you back there, sometimes it's not that hard. If they're in man on your better players, I'm going to throw it to them. You know what I'm saying? Instead of like him only having his highest of nine targets. Kyler Murray has been a quarterback with Marvin Harrison Jr. There's no reason why he shouldn't have 13 targets. So you're saying that it's either the quarterback or the OC? Yes. Because if you have the option when you're the quarterback and it's a man-to-man call, and you see the defenses in man-to-man, single high.

29:54Right now, you go to your matchups. You go to what you like. It's not like, it's not going to be, oh, no, he's going to be open. I like him. We know he's running a dig, and they're man-to-man. It's going to be him versus him. If he beats them on this route, if I'm looking off, by the time I look back and throw it all the time, he's going to be there and beating that dude on the dig route, and he can just take this to the house. So for me, it's more like be simple. Don't make it as hard for yourself, And I think that's what Jacoby's doing and being able to be successful, throwing it to him when he sees man-to-man coverage with Marvis Harrison Jr.

30:25That's where I'm going to go with the ball. You know what I'm saying? I'll look off, whatever, and then I know when on my last step, when I drop, he's over there coming off the curl, and I think he won that route. You're going to say it's more of the quarterback being able to see what's there and getting it to him than it is the OC making the call. I think so. I mean, for sure. Okay, I can understand that. I can understand that. Speaking of OC, your boy Kevin Stavansky, he said, you know, he go give up the play calling for the offense. He said he go let the OC do it. You know, he said, quote, I just feel like it was the right time for this.

31:01He might feel like that because somebody might have to go after this. I don't know who the OC is, but somebody might have to go after this. And with that being the case, I'm going to hand these duties over that I've been doing to the OC because the offense has been playing terrible. And I know I can't find nobody on that defensive side of the ball and use them as the scapegoat to how I'm going to keep my job as the head coach and stay here. So I understand what he's saying, but I feel like this might be a cop-out for the sellout. What you think, John?

31:48He did the same thing last year when he gave up the play calling. I'm just trying to figure out why would you go back to the play calling if we knew that there was an option to give it back up? Or I'm thinking maybe since it's going into the Bible. Do they have the same coordinator as last year, as this year? I don't know. That's a good question. But long story short, I mean, this is the thing. Dylan Gabriel was his guy. Kevin Stefanski, you were the offensive coordinator. You were calling the plays. I think now, since it's going to be the bye week, giving him a little more time, understanding that, I think it's going to be – my whole thing is, who's going to be the offensive coordinator for Shador?

32:28Because, I mean, if Dylan Gabriel, I think it's kind of a scapegoat move because Kevin Stefanski doesn't want to be the offensive coordinator when Shador is probably the quarterback, because I think that's probably going to be coming soon. Oh, you think he's trying to step out the way so they don't say he's sabotaging the man's efforts when he get in there? That's what you're thinking. Man, maybe. Maybe. But, I mean, the offense just hasn't been doing well. I think he's just trying to do something, trying to switch it up. He has to do something. Because, I mean, I know he knows he's in the hot seat.

33:01And I don't know if he's going to be there much longer, bro. Like I said, I think this is an attempt to be like, all right, yeah, I gave it up at this point. and, you know, it still did nothing. And I don't know. I think, hey, I'm getting ready to go on here and have me escape. I would love to know if the OC was the same OC last year as it is this year. That's what I would like to know. Like, head coach just giving it up. I want to see. Yeah. Yes. Yes, he is. but we're going to see what kind of plays he's calling. Because now we can see too, if the same thing is Dylan, just dump balls, dump balls, not throwing it down the field, not even giving our receivers type of downfield routes, let's see if he changes it up a little bit.

33:53Because I know when Shador gets in there, I want to see him, I think hopefully he does the smart thing, trying to throw some balls down the field, just getting the ball out of his hand on time, just things that he was doing in college. How long till you see them having to put Shadori in? I see if we lose. I mean, if we come out of the bye, we can lose to the Jets. I mean, why not? Where else are we going to go from there? You know what I'm saying? It's like there's no – and the defense plays well. And the defense plays well, and he just looks normal. You know what I'm saying? Like he doesn't do anything to help us out there.

34:29He don't do no help, but he also don't do no hurt. You're not doing no help. So we lost to the Jets. We come off the bye off two weeks, you knowing you're going to be, it is what it is. It's tight competition. You haven't really done too much to impress, too much to, you know what I'm saying, show that you can be that guy. If you don't come off the bye week and ball out versus the Jets and go out there and make something happen, then your time is up. Then it's time for us to at least go see what Shador can do. You know what I'm saying? But if he goes out there and wins, I think he got another two weeks.

34:55But if you come out and lose after the bye, like what are we waiting for? Hey, word is your new coordinator was the tight ends coach last year. He the OC now. So the OC from last year, he got him out of there. Hey, be careful. He might be setting you up, get you up out of there now. Hey, hey, hey, we go sit down and wait and see Kevin Stefanski. Let's go on over here. We're going to see. We're going over here to another head coach. Zach Taylor said he was not good with the criticism that I think it was, was it Brown? Brown gave to the defense. Like, I understand, like, what he's saying, you know, you can't do that.

35:50I agree with him. Like, he know they trash, you know. You know, when you look at it, they super trash. They on pace to give up the most points, dude, in NFL history. You know, and the record is 534 by the Panthers last year. Like, they done already gave up 309 games. They got eight games left. You know, you got New England. They got Baltimore twice. Buffalo. and now the way the Cardinals look, that's going to be a problem too. They keep, you know, Brissette in there. So, how do you feel about it? You agree? I don't see you disagreeing to be honest with you, Joe. No, man. I don't disagree with it at all.

36:42The thing is, bro, it's the NFL. It's a job. It's a professional business. As much as everybody wants to talk about, like, you got to do your job on offense and your job is to score every single time you go out there. Our job as a defense is to stop them every time we go out there. These dudes feel like crap. You know what I'm saying? So being another professional dude as a teammate, we're already getting beat up. You know what I'm saying? Getting talked down too crazily. And we already feel down. And them dudes being professionals are going to go to that film and watch that tape and take that in and know they're not going to be able to feed their families much longer.

37:17You know what I'm saying? Playing like this, you're going to be cut. You're not going to be in the league much longer like this. So they know this while they're out there playing, while they're missing these tackles and coming in and then looking in the media and hearing your own brothers that you're trying to go to war with, knowing you're trying, knowing, you know what I'm saying? You might be ass and you played terrible. You know that yourself. You're a professional. You didn't make it this far. You know what I'm saying? Just going out playing shitty and not knowing you played bad. You know what I'm saying?

37:43Like you are very self-aware of when you do good and when you do bad. Well, most people are very self-aware. A lot of people are delusional. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, they think they might have did better than what they did. Or your person that, you know, looks at the tape and was like, oh, it wasn't that bad. No, it was. Ah, no, no. Yeah, you know, for sure. You can't be like that. I'm saying within closed quarters, when you're in the team meetings and we're looking at the tape, that's the time to tell them, damn, bruh. Like, this is not okay. This is not winning football. You can get all that off your chest in the meeting rooms, in the team meeting rooms.

38:18But when you're in there, that's media. Those are feds. That's you trying to get outside stuff out there to everybody else. So now they clowning on me and making us. Tell me that right in the locker. You're going to see me on Monday meetings. You're going to see me Tuesday. You're going to see me Wednesday. But to do that and try to oust us and make us feel even more shitty and have the team not coming to me like this. Man, media Brown telling me he hot. Y 'all are terrible. You know what I'm saying? Right. Now you're trying to not answer the question back emotionally, but you're in your emotions anyway.

38:52But now you're feeling emotional. Because you know you're trash. And I don't feel like anybody that don't play that side of the ball should have really any comment on the other side. If you don't play that side, don't have no comment on that side. If you're on the other side of the ball, talk about what y 'all could have did. That's the same thing when, like, we were playing, you know, great defense and the offense didn't get points or they didn't score or whatever that, you know, whatever that case may be. You know, it was never a da da da. No, our job as a defense is to stop them from scoring.

39:27If we stop them from scoring, we don't lose. And on top of it, we can score points. So that was how we dealt with, you know, with that, especially, you know, with the media. is like, yo, no. Did we push a shutout? No, we didn't push a shutout. Well, then we ain't got no place to be talking about the other side of the ball, no matter how bad they are. Yes. And the realization is we know it as a defense. You know you can be like, man, they got to get a touchdown for us, but you're not you know your job is at the end of the day to make sure you never But you can't go home talking to somebody else's kitchen when you gave up plays.

40:12And, like, things are – you know what I'm saying? And that's what he said. You know, it was – Taylor was like, yo, it was points where we could have made plays and scored more points and, you know, kept the ball and all that. That was something that, you know, that he had responded in when he had gave his comments. So I don't have a problem with it. I think it's, you know, I thought that it was just common sense to, you know, respond that way. You know what I'm saying? Washington over there. I guess, you know, Dan Quinn admitted what everybody had already knew. Like, he was wrong. He admitted that, you know.

40:45What did he say? He missed it. He missed it. What'd you miss? He missed. You missed the fact that y 'all was down by 31 and you still had your quarterback sitting up in there who had just got back from being hurt. Yeah, especially now looking back, that man that dislocated everything in that arm and all that. they don't even know how long he going to be out when he coming back all that good stuff nah you know you was out there coaching blind blind and deaf you couldn't even hear somebody would have told you touchdown touchdown who you know what was going on it was bad a good thing he took accountability if he didn't take accountability he would have.

41:33They might have had to fire him talking about it wasn't my fault. Yeah, for sure. For sure. The NFL also suspended the commander's linebacker Frankie what is it? Louvy? Hip drop tackles. They got him. They got him up out of it. They suspended him a game, dude. I don't know. They said it was a repeat offender. This was the third hip drop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't. So he said he had built it. My thing is this, dude. You know how hard it is to purposely get somebody in that position? Like, you got to literally run up on them, be beside them. Now, grab their hip and drop down to make sure you got the tackle.

42:20It's so hard to get in that position. Most people are diving, and as you dive and grab, you get swung. As you swing, you try and stick your feet in the ground when it stops to try and stop him from gaining more yards. Like, I understand what they're saying. And I know, like I said, I understand both sides. But I don't think anybody is out there purposely trying to hip drop somebody, dude. What do you think? I know what you're saying, Debo, but you know how, you know when you're trying to stop somebody from going forward, you drop. And they're saying that that's the type of tackle. So we kind of know, like, when you're pulling from the dude trying to go, you just try to drop your weight.

43:04Right, to get him down. And you're going to fall. To get him down. That's how else are we supposed to be? It's very, very, very hard. These dudes are running full speed. And I don't think that it's – defenders are – they're putting us to a position where it's super hard to tackle these dudes. You know what I'm saying? They got to understand, when we get them like that, they keep on trying to drive your legs. Fall. You know what I'm saying? You need to just let it go. Like, that's how you prevent it. You want me to let it go and let him take off. You still trying to drive me on. Lose my whole career, job.

43:33No, listen, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I ain't never trying to make it me. I ain't never letting me go down over anybody else. I just can't. I can't do that. That's like when they started. By the time I hit my 50s, I'd learned a few things. Like how family is precious. Work can always wait. and 99 % of people over 50 already have the virus that causes shingles. Not everyone at risk will develop it, but I did. The painful, blistering rash disrupted my life for weeks. Don't learn about your shingles risk the hard way. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist today. Sponsored by GSK. This is Tony A.O. from The Real Report with Tony A.O.

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46:52TJ wanted to hit him up top. Like when we played against Cincinnati Bengals, he hit us. It was a young like slot receiver, Shipley or Jordan Shipley, something like that. Thumbed on him up top, hit him like he wanted to. And they find TJ crazy. So TJ was like, oh, no, from now on, I got to go low. I got to take out the legs. He wanted to hit Gronk up top and just because that's the type of hitter he was. But he's like, no, they're going to take all my money. So he went low and he knew, like, not new, but like, I got to go low or I'm going to get fine. And it ended up hurting Gronk's knee. But I'm like, what are you?

47:24And they call him my man, TJ, a dirty player. I'm like, TJ is not a dirty player at all. You don't understand. He wanted to just bell him up top. Like, that would have been his pleasure. You know what I'm saying? The ball was set up. Brady threw a blue tent pole, and he was ready to smack him. And he had to go low and take his legs out, and that ended up messing up his knee. Yeah, dude. It's a bunch of situations where you get that. And, you know, like you said, even if, especially when you're talking about a bigger guy like Gronk, he's already coming that way. You can't hit him up high because you're going to take a chance of getting fined.

47:58And even if you do and say, you know what, I'm going to hit him in his waist, you're out of your mind to hit somebody that heavy and you're that light in their waist. You go put yourself in jeopardy. You have no place to go. And that's when he starts bouncing off. You have no place to go but the top of the knee down, dude. That's the easiest part to get down, to kick out. Because when you go up top, they're going to swing their legs down. And when you go low, their top's going to swing down. If you hit them in the middle, you're going to fold yourself. like crumple so you got to either go a little bit high or a little bit low so something's sweeping down or something's sweeping up yeah dude i was like yo when they were finding me i'm like yo i'm just gonna start hitting people low i said i'm hitting receivers low i said if we playing you man and y 'all playing against me if you don't tell me you go pay my fine i'm hitting you low if i have a blind side shot on you like that's just what it is i gots to keep my money in my pocket and make sure that I'm good.

49:01Did they put you in any, did you ever appeal any of yours? Dude, I appeal I appeal almost all of them. Only got a little money back. And that was on the first one when they fined me$75 ,000. And it was only supposed to be first fine was supposed to be like$15 ,000. They went$75 ,000 because that was the year. It was like it was like bam, bam, bam, back to back and you watching like on NFL or whatever. Somebody go to sleep. Somebody go to sleep. Somebody go to sleep. You know what I'm saying? And they was just trying to make an example, dude. I'm like, yo, nah. So I got something for you though.

49:40The crazy thing is the hit that they had find me for on Massaquah, they were selling that thing for the game was over with and then you find me $75 ,000. They ain't take it down until I said something. That's crazy. You're going to find me$75 ,000, but you sold, you started selling a picture immediately. That's out of control. No, for sure. Well, bro, we used to have the NFL jacked up. Yes. That real live segment that I look forward to watching. And that was sad when you were seeing people crawling out of that door. I'm like, dang, we was really acting like that was. But that was the way it was.

50:20Listen, I don't want to injure you. but I don't want you to finish this game. You can play next week, but I want you to know you was in the game against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Okay? Even if we don't get you out of here, I want you so sore the next day, you're just sitting in a bucket of ice. You're just going hot, cold, just trying to make your body feel better. There's consequences for your actions coming across this minute. There's consequences and repercussions, man, for stepping on this field. You came out here and disrespected us by showing up. You should have just forfeit the game. So now, I got to show you why you should have forfeit the game.

51:01You knew you was playing against me. You knew you was playing against these Steelers now? What you talking about? They called us defense night quail. Yes. That's already enough. We'll put your sleeve. Man, the head coach for Atlanta, Raheem Morris, he said he didn't intend to you know make like you know the Patriots did something wrong he said you know he was just saying what his guys had told him that you know they thought they heard clapping that they were mimicking you know the snap count so oh you know I understand you know where he's coming from he may not have meant it um but you know when you you're playing the Patriots you know they got a I got a little history of things.

51:56A little finagery. You know what? Matter of fact, let me go back. 2004, bro. It was Halloween 2004. We played the Patriots that week, and then the next week, we ended up playing Philly. Both of them was undefeated. We beat them. We played the Patriots on Halloween, bro. bro. Bop them board 34, 34 to 20, bro. Like, okay. They couldn't see where nothing was coming from, bro. This is when the spy day was going on. Okay. Played them in the playoffs, bro. They hit us on every single blitz, but one. That's when they was doing that muddle huddle at the line. Yes. And not, you know, really hurry, hurry huddle.

52:45Yeah. They got our signals that first game, bro. They came back that playoff game and that championship game, bro. Did that muddle at the line. We go to doing our calls, bro. And they catch all that, bro. And here's the crazy thing. Everybody's like, oh, James, you're just saying that. You're just saying that. No, I'm not just saying that. I know this for a fact because I'm just saying because people on their staff like made like, oh that's just a normal occurrence dude everybody does it i'm like no everybody don't do it i've never done that or had that done a day in my life like never and then even recently i had somebody say well well everybody did it you just didn't know about it man how would i not know about it if i don't know about it how is it going to help me as a defense and it couldn't help us back then because the only people that had the headphone in was the quarterback.

53:47And he had that live all the way up until what? 12, 15 seconds. It was like 15 seconds. Like, dude, we're showing hard, hard here. Oh, no, it ain't coming there. Boom, they going here. We showing hard, hard where it's coming. Oh, yeah, it's coming there. Like, boom. Only missed. They only missed one blitz, dude. Like, if you ain't cheating, they meant that, dude. You ain't trying. You ain't trying. So I know that for a fact. They know for a fact, Debo, that they was on to y 'all. They was on to the Sixers. Dude, when I said something, like I said, it was like, oh, come on, man. Everybody. I'm like, no, they don't.

54:28Maybe the way y 'all was talking, whatever goes through there. But I had never had that a day in my life. Like, if I know, it's like playing Tecmo Bowl. If I'm looking at your controller and I know which play you pick and I pick the same play, it's over with, right? Oh, yeah. What we talking about? Yeah. That was when the signal caller on defense had no speaker in this thing. So everything was hand signals. All you doing is sitting there. They got video of them on the cameras watching the signal callers. Man, they got all that, man. They came out there. Come on, Debo. They talking. You were talking about this.

55:09They put that. I'm just saying, dude, that is facts. right there for sure. Okay? Now, if they were doing it this time, I don't know. He said, you know, he wasn't trying to start nothing, but I mean, when you done went and started a forest fire one time, I got to believe if I see you walking out there with some matches and it ain't rained in the last two months, you go do it again. You know? Oh, for sure. I lied to you not, though, Deebo. When I used to watch film, when I was a cornerback, If the quarterback, they better change some signals then. Because if a quarterback look over when I'm studying my tape and gives a receiver like a two or gives them like a this or a deuces or something, I'm trying to figure out if I get that deuces again and he runs that same route, I'm noticing that.

56:00I don't think that's cheating. I think that is being very observant when in the game. But when you're sitting there and you already got a piece to the quarterback, it stays on until 15 seconds. You're doing a muddle huddle. The car goes out. We're set up, ready to go as a defense. And you're like, no, hey, hey, it's this. That's a big difference. Especially when it's the offense knowing what you're in as a defense. I don't even have to think. I know. Like. No, no, no. There's no advantage that we can get as a defense because they can always change their play. Even if, like, they did, but they never had the signal.

56:41That's what I'm saying. And then you have like Peyton. Omaha. Omaha mean everything. That's what I am. Omaha means anything. You know what I'm saying? Like that's how you throw him off on that. Omaha. Omaha. What? Dude, I wouldn't even listen. That's anything. I wouldn't even listen. I'm like, dude, don't even listen to that, man. That mean anything, bro. Like even other calls. They'll just be like, sometimes I'm going to give you a dummy Omaha. That probably. Dude, he was good. He was good. He had, I don't know how they did that or how they made rules for it, but that wasn't it. Hell, you even go to the one time where they had Cam mic'd up and Keekly is saying, oh, it's this, it's this.

57:22Yes. And he's like, oh, yeah, for real. Okay, I got something for you. I got something for you. That's the type of stuff I like because that's from film study, great linebacker study. But they changed it up. But they changed it up on you. We going to do it? You see what I'm saying? Yes, that's what I'm saying. that's the good part. Offenses, you got to switch it up because he's like, oh yeah, you studied that, but I'm going to hit you with this. You know what I'm saying? So that's the chess game of good work. Luke Keekly, great linebacker, just trying to get a little insider, like when they run this and they move like that.

57:51And offense doing a great job of self-studying. Like, oh no, we did this. We're doing this. We need to switch it up a little bit. So they're expecting this and we can run that. That's great. Just that's the inside of the game. Like great linebackers studying in the offense and studying themselves. Yeah, I tried. I ain't going to even lie to you, dude. I tried to get an understanding of what they're doing, but I didn't want to get real alignment, assignment, like tips and tendencies from formations and all that. I didn't want to do that because I didn't want to be looking for something. The only thing I looked for was I looked for whoever I was going against or somebody on the offensive line that did something that was 100%.

58:27Dude, let me take you back. So we're playing Buffalo, and we're watching tape. And the fullback dude, when he would get down and it was a run play, he would get down. And if it was a run play, he would do his hand like this. Square, bro. Okay. And every time he did his hand like that, it was a run play. It was 100 percent, dude. So we're sitting there and we're just literally watching him. and if he was in the game and he got down and he was you know he was there he didn't do his hand it was a pass i don't know if he got set into a thing where just nervous or getting ready whatever but literally dude he'd have the hand down you know this one would be sitting on his knee and he'd do like this he did just like that dude it was a dude like he riding away 100 percent and we just start, dude, we just started hollering, Army, Navy, bro.

59:31That's it. Like, Army, Air Force, sorry. We was like, Army, Air Force. Like, Army, Air Force. Like, that's it. We're like, yo, they ain't on the ground or they in the air. Like, and we know this just from looking at him. I don't know how they didn't pick that up. Like, they ain't self-study. They gotta watch tape and be like, buddy, you gotta just keep it. You gotta keep it tight or just do it every time. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. Right. You got to give him something to, you know, look, even when you're in the 80s, I'm still going to take that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. No, for sure.

1:00:05That's like a tackle that you look at, you're like, oh, man. Oh, when he kicked that foot that wide, bro, he trying to get out of there. He trying to get out of there. When he keep it close, he keeping it close because he want to be able to get that foot down fast enough because he got a run block. You know what I'm saying? Like, I would look for things like that. That was all. What did you look for when you was going on? Man, Debo, my thing was I was big, big, big on third downs, on the money downs. What are receivers running on third and short, third and one to three, third and four to seven, and then third and eight to 12?

1:00:40Because that was my thing. That's the money downs. Like, we're going to get them stopped on first and second. Like, I would study those downs too big time, but my biggest thing was third down. Who's off the ball? Who's on the ball? What concepts do they like to run? Are they a sticks team or do they like to go beyond the sticks? Because I want to know if I can – if you're a sticks team, if it's third and two, I'm going to back off and act like I don't know that the sticks are there and you're going to throw a hitch or a slant and I can go get that money. So I was really on some trying to play with the quarterbacks, the tendencies, understanding who's on and off, what routes they like to run.

1:01:10So I was a big third down because that's when, like, they don't really change. Third down is money down. Offenses, they like to run, but they run. They switch stuff up on first and second. But third down, you're going to go to your go-tos. You're going to go to your good stuff. What works? So I would always study that. And that dream was how you get picks. You can make a lot of plays because everything's first and down. It's like depending on flows. A lot of things switch. But when it gets to third downs, they got a lot of like, it's more a lot of set things for splits, alignments, and what receivers run.

1:01:39Stems, how they stem out of there, what they're doing, all that. Top of the numbers, bottom of the numbers. Which one is on? Like which one is off? How far are they split? You know what I'm saying? Can he run that out route to the fade? So just little things like that. Concepts. Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. For sure. I ain't going to lie. Butts had me so into it. If I saw somebody in front of me, I immediately started getting depth. I'm like, yo, they trying to get me to bite the cheese. I'm like, they trying to get me to bite the cheese, man. People, I feel it and I respect you. All you need to do with you out there be like this.

1:02:11Look, we see you in coverage. We know. I'm hoping that they throw it over there to you because I'm going to make sure I got your back. You know what I'm saying? For sure. For sure. For sure. I'm like, Coach Buz, man, best linebacker coach I ever had in life, dude. Keep bugging. Come on, man. For sure. I mean, you're dropping y 'all back in the cover sometimes. I'm like, why is Debo, you know what I'm saying? Dude, you got to realize, dude, the defense that we played is nothing like the defense. Even when I came back in 14, I retired. The defense was changed. Even though Coach LeBow was there, the defense was changed.

1:02:43They had to dumb it down. Basically. They dumbed it down. because it's a learning curve. And when you don't give guys the time to have that learning curve, you're going to get points scored on you because you're not going to know everything you got to do in every situation. And like I said, dude, you can go from a full-out blitz and got nothing to emotion putting you on somebody locked up man to man. And if you miss that, it may be that one nuance, then they score a touchdown or they get, you know, 20, 30 yards, whatever that may be, and extends the drive and so on and so forth. So when, you know, they started starting younger guys, you know, it it took away other parts that, you know, you couldn't do, which put holes and gaps in things.

1:03:28And instead of it being holes and gaps, it just took away that whole defense. So now you were left with less of a defense to play because now I can't run this one defense. But if I could run that one defense, it gives these three other defense teeth. Now I take away that one defense. These defense ain't got no teeth. Now you know what you're looking at. It simplifies the defense, but it simplifies it for the offense too. Yeah, because they know now you're just sitting there. If somebody moves, we could be running something completely different, but everybody got to know what we're about to get into.

1:04:00And that's the same thing. Like, I got to be in there with somebody who's been in this defense, who knows this defense, who's going to play on that chain with me. Because if I'm sitting here four by five on number two, and I actually supposed to be blitzing, but the damn safety is stacked two yards behind me. He knows I'm not covering. I need my safety to play that deep. And when he sees me going, then he can roll down. Because now the quarterback looks like, oh, yeah, I got this right here. He called it on the street. Let me call this over here. They're coming over here because they showing hard over here.

1:04:39They actually dropping and we coming. But if you don't have that, you're not on that string with your corner, with your linebacker, with your safety. You don't get those plays. You don't get those opportunities. And you let the quarterback read your mail before it even get delivered to you. You're going online like the post office got now. What's coming? What did they just say? You know what I'm saying? What that boy say? Stop undressing yourself. You got us undressed. You undressing. Bruh, undressing out there. Butt naked. bucking naked exposed exposed you know what I'm saying bucking naked like you said bucking naked look here man I think that's about it for us though man look we want to thank you guys again for joining us for this episode of Debo and Joe please make sure you guys like and subscribe we will be back here on Friday to talk about the Thursday night football.

1:05:41Joe? Yes, sir. Y 'all know, make sure you like and subscribe, man. Me and Debo really appreciate the love. Keep it coming. We'll see y 'all on Friday. Appreciate you. And we out.

1:05:55How you doing today, Joe?

1:06:00Let me tell you something, Debo. Debo, it's my time real quick.

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