Deebo & Joe - MNF REACTION: Jalen Hurts ATROCIOUS in Eagles loss to Chargers

9 Dec 2025 · 58 min · 23 chapters

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In short

Reaction to the Chargers vs. Eagles MNF game, focusing on Jalen Hurts’ poor performance (multiple interceptions, fumbles, and turnovers), the Eagles’ red-zone struggles (settling for field goals), and the Chargers’ ability to pressure and capitalize—especially on Herbert’s surgically repaired hand.

Guests

No guests are clearly identified in the transcript. The hosts appear to be “Deebo” and “Joe” (referred to directly), plus recurring sports commentary voices, but no specific guest names or bios are provided.

Key claims

  • Hurts was “atrocious,” with four interceptions and a fumble; turnovers could have been even worse.
  • Eagles’ offense lacked consistency; many drives ended in field goals due to holding and red-zone failures.
  • Chargers’ defense played situationally better and forced key turnovers.
  • Herbert toughed it out despite being hit repeatedly; Eagles need better protection for him.

Notable examples

  • A wild play where Hurts’ interception and fumble/recovery sequence occurred on the same drive.
  • Multiple long completions by Herbert (including Vidal’s 60-yard run).
  • Overtime: Chargers win with a late field goal after holding Philly’s final drive.

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Exciting Game Recap

0:45 to 0:56

Hosts discuss their excitement over the recent game despite turnovers.

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Exciting Game Recap

1:43 to 2:46

Hosts discuss their excitement over the recent game despite turnovers.

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Exciting Game Recap

2:49 to 3:40

Hosts discuss their excitement over the recent game despite turnovers.

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Eagles' First Plays

3:40 to 4:48

Analysis of the Eagles' initial plays and missed opportunities.

“Yeah, man, I want to go through this detail, man.”

Chargers' Strong Start

4:48 to 5:51

Discussion of the Chargers' effective first drive and touchdown.

“It just looked like he dropped that one.”

Eagles' Struggles

5:51 to 6:43

Eagles' performance on the next few drives and their challenges.

“I'm hoping that the Eagles are going to play a little bit better defense.”

Herbert's Tough Game

6:43 to 8:40

Analysis of Herbert's performance and the pressure he faced.

“Then they ended up trying to do like a run.”

Wild Play Summary

8:40 to 11:43

Recap of a wild play involving turnovers and fumbles.

“I was feeling like it still didn't get to the point he was getting hit, running a little bit.”

Back-and-Forth Action

11:43 to 14:00

Discussion of the back-and-forth actions of both teams.

“He got a pick, a fumble recovery, and a fumble.”

Analyzing the Eagles vs. Chargers Game

14:00 to 20:50

A breakdown of key moments and player performances in the Eagles-Chargers matchup.

“He saw that man, and if you have your back, your backer, on the back, you're going to win that.”
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Analyzing the Eagles vs. Chargers Game

21:29 to 22:23

A breakdown of key moments and player performances in the Eagles-Chargers matchup.

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Game Highlights and Critical Plays

22:23 to 28:00

Discussion on pivotal plays and player performances that influenced the game's outcome.

“Herbert Gomes head and he hits McConkie.”

Controversial Play Analysis

28:00 to 29:50

The hosts dissect a pivotal play in the game that could have changed the outcome.

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Game Highlights and Overtime Drama

29:50 to 31:20

Discussion of key moments leading to the overtime and crucial decisions made.

“That hand would have been tingling so bad, he wouldn't have been able to even try and throw it.”

Quarterback Performance Review

31:20 to 34:30

Analyzing Herbert's performance under pressure and Jalen Hurts' struggles.

“All these plays he done did, he ain't supposed to even be in there doing.”

Offensive Struggles and Turnovers

34:30 to 38:10

Examining the Eagles' offensive failures and the impact of turnovers on the game.

“That's the way you do it right there, bro.”

Defensive Performance Insights

38:10 to 41:30

Evaluating the defenses of both teams and their impact on the game's outcome.

“So that was not a good showing by Jalen, man, just because all of them picks, you can't do that and expect to win a game.”

Assessing Team Consistency and Player Performance

42:01 to 44:48

Explore the factors affecting team consistency and individual player performance.

“But moving forward, I know our defense I've seen us play at a very high level.”

Assessing Team Consistency and Player Performance

45:28 to 46:23

Explore the factors affecting team consistency and individual player performance.

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Defensive Schemes and Tactical Adjustments

46:23 to 55:44

Delve into the impact of defensive schemes and the need for tactical adjustments.

“Said or done, that changed how the offense operated.”

Cleveland's Quarterback Situation

55:44 to 59:15

Analyze the timeline and implications of Cleveland's quarterback decisions.

“to change that just you're trying to cover up you can't cover up that play you got you got everything else cover, but if they get this one, we might have got to just rally, catch and tackle, fight another down.”

Super Chat Engagement

59:15 to 1:00:28

Interacting with listeners and discussing donations from fans.

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Camp and Team Loyalty

1:00:28 to 1:04:05

Talking about potential youth camps and team loyalties.

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3:23That was a game yesterday, wasn't it, though? Devo, super excited. Yo, out of control exciting. I ain't never thought I would be that excited about a game that had that many turnovers. I was reminding the game, and I'm like this, baby, you got to see this. You got to see this stuff. Like, it was just super exciting, bro. I had a blast watching it, though. Yeah, man, I want to go through this detail, man. Eagles get out there, and the very first play, they go deep to AJ, man, and it was just off his fingertips, man, incomplete. that they could have connected that. First play of the game? Long foul ball.

3:57That would have been huge. That would have been huge for them. They go back second down. I think Saquon got two. And then third and nine. Hurts hits, what is it, Goddard? Goddard. Yeah, he hits Goddard for nine right there. First down, they hand it to Saquon again. I think he gets like three. And a short one to Dotson for three. and then third down and four hurts gets sacked more of a cover sack than anything else he had to work his way up out of it uh-huh coverage and sack working the guy coverage and uh rush working coverage yeah for sure they end up hunting the ball charges get out there vidal hits the first one for three uh-huh second one i believe was an incompletion he just uh he It just looked like he dropped that one.

4:50Yeah. And then third and seven, Herbert dumps it to Vidal, and that boy goes 60 yards to the 17 of Philly, dude. Mm-hmm. I don't – That was a huge play. I didn't think he was going to get caught, and then the linebacker started running him down, though. I was like, man, monkey jumped on Vidal back. Hey, didn't he? Elway started running underwater. His legs started getting heavy. Now you get the rook back. He went and ran one for about 11 on the next play. And I think it was maybe two after that. And on the third down, Herbert, he finished it off to Hampton for a four-yard touchdown. Yes. 7-0. That seemed like it was very easy for them to get down.

5:42I kind of thought the game was going to be higher scoring than that. after that first drive, to be honest with you, brother. Oh, for sure. I mean, especially the way the Chargers, they walked it down there. Yeah. Walked it down super easy. I'm hoping that the Eagles are going to play a little bit better defense. But, yeah, it was a lot more to come. Yeah, it was a whole lot more to come. Eagles get back out there. Saquon, he gone ahead, get him a hot 19. Then turn right back around, get 10. Back-to-back first down. Yo, whoever 99 was, he was getting moved around last night, dude. I seen one play, he got like double hooked, dude.

6:19Like he got double reached. For the charges? Yeah, he was on the center and got reached by the guard. Like they put him two gaps behind. Yeah. No, that ain't going to get it done. That ain't going to get the job done, D-Bo. No, no. They get a holding. It turns it into second and 20. Saquon, he picks up about eight of that. Then third and 12. They convert. Hurts hits. Got it again. He's in Dallas again, dude. Another. It was a 13 on that one. Yep. Then they ended up trying to do like a run. Why would they try and run that with him then? I don't know. I don't know. Sometimes they play call him with just a little.

7:04That's why they egging this house. That's why they egging this house. I'm just trying to tell you this. Why they egging this house? They need to don't egg them. Hey, I'm just telling you. They keep calling that boy. You keep doing it like that. It might be, you know, hey. Hurts. You so fat. Third down, man. Smith, I think he only got like a yard. They just closed in on him so fast, dude. Them boys just breaking down to him. Ended up having to settle for a field goal. It's three to seven. Then Chargers get back out there. The first play, I don't know how hurt, He shook a sack, man. He dumped it to Hampton again.

7:44I think he got seven on that one. And then second, he got dropped. I think they dropped. Met him in the backfield. Yeah, they dropped him for four. Dude, Davis, he was an issue for them. He was a man in there, bro. Yeah, on that run game, Davis was an issue for them, man. Definitely. Then the Chargers ended up false starting. I think that kicked them to like third and 12 or something. and then they get the interception, I think it was, but because they was offside, Herbert, you know, he already knew he had a free play. Free play, yep. So he just threw it down there. I think the next play, he eluded like another sack, but it was incomplete.

8:24He just threw it away. They end up punting the ball again. Yo, they was, I don't know how long this dude go last behind that offensive line, bro. Oh my goodness, bro. And he coming off of surgery a month, a week ago. No, a week ago. Seven days, bro. And he's still getting beat up. I was feeling like it still didn't get to the point he was getting hit, running a little bit. But as the game started progressing, you saw like the hits. More and more. More and more. He started handing it off with the wrong damn hand. I'm like, yeah. Yeah, he got popped. Nobody touching that joint. He had a little pain for a minute.

8:57He had to switch hands on there. Eagles get back out there. and I think it was Pyramid ended up dropping Saquon for a loss on the first play. Deebo, that's the thing I was saying too. A lot of the things when Saquon was running, he was either getting into the secondary or they were hitting him before he can get going, hitting him in the backfield. It was one or two. It wasn't really that much in between. I think it was a second down. Hurts hit, what was it? Smith of six. Third down. He ended up throwing it high. It was intercepted, but on review, they saw the ball hit the ground. They got lucky on that one because what was that?

9:38That would have been what, five? That would have been five picks. Yeah. Yeah, so they put the ball. And then the rook get back out there on the first down. I think he took it for like 15. Yeah, but it don't matter. The next play, they ended up getting a holding penalty. I think Herbert scrambles for about five next two plays. was just incomplete. They punt the rock away. Yeah. Yeah, they punt the rock away. Eagles get the ball back. The first... First run again. The Chargers, yeah, dropped him for a loss. Yeah, they dropped him for a loss again. And then second down, they had an illegal contact tunnel that gave them a first.

10:20And then preceding second down, he hit Dallas again for 16 to get another first down. I think it was second to seven, eight, something like that. They ended up picking up 16 there. And then Hurts hits that man for 22. A.J. Brown. A.J. Brown for 22. I believe they get to like the third down it was. They get to the third and two. Yeah, go ahead. Third and two. And in the wildest play I've ever seen, my life happens. Because I figured out, I started realizing how many stats happened in that play. Yes. It's a pick. It's an interception. Listen, bro, I'm going to tell you this right now. It's a forced fumble.

11:01It's a fumble recovery. I'm going to tell you this right now. As soon as dude caught that ball and he started to run, I was like, he's about to fumble. He started running like a loaf of bread. He didn't even know how to hold on to it, bro. What are you doing? I'm like, he ain't even putting it away. He holding it straight up and down like a loaf of bread, man. He looked back, got punched directly out. Punched directly out and then got slung to the ground. Hurts go ahead. He picks it up. I'm like, oh, man, they done got lucky. They done got it back. Give me that. I expect him to fumble. He fumbles.

11:35So, yeah, my man Hurst got a fumble. He got a pick. He got a pick. A fumble recovery and a fumble. He got a pick, a fumble recovery, and a fumble. And a fumble. And the same play. That was crazy. I think that's the first time in history. And then my man went, and I love the way they fell on the ball, not having his feet out of bounds, looking crazy, not rushing. He fell right on that ball. He just dropped. Right on bounce. Right in bounce. I'm like this. Thank you. Way to be a professional. Not panic. Have your legs all, your feet out of bounds. Are you laying on the ball? I'm like, what are they doing?

12:06So good job by him falling on the ball and not looking crazy. Yeah, Chargers gets the ball back. I think Vidal went a hot eight on the first one. Then third down, Herbic hits Harris for like 18. Again. Across the body. He's being pressured. He's moving around, and he's making these throws, man. Yes, bro. Like, with the hand jacked and all that, like, dude. Yeah. If they got him some protection, do you see what he could do? I think the linemen are hurt, too. But he's back there getting smacked. You got to protect your investment. He's not soft. He's out there fighting for his life. So you're right.

12:46If they protect him, man, it'll be good. Yes. Yes. They handed Tevita out again. He got six on the first down. They get the third down, and they sack Herbert. They end up having to settle for the field goal. What is it, 10-7 now? 10-3. Yeah, 10-3. Okay, yeah, 10-3 now. Dude, the Eagles get back out there. The second play, Hurts is intercepted again. Yes, brother. That's just great. Corner play, dice concept. Little slip, little slip. Little slip, but great play. Great break. He knew it was dice. He saw that. He saw that tight end go to the flat. It's dice. It's like a five people on the dice. You got two curls.

13:29You got two people in the flat, and you got somebody sitting over the ball. He saw him sit, and I'm like, oh, my gosh. He broke on that beautifully. Man slipped and fell, but that's just unfortunate. Great defensive play. Sorry you had to slip and fall, but that was just – I love that as a DB. I'm like, oh, yeah, go get your money. Yeah, go get me that. Give me that. Chargers get back out there. Their first play, sack fumble, recovered. As much as Hampton helped him running the ball, he was a serious liability in pass protection last night. You know what that was, Debo? You know exactly. Backs on backers.

14:05Yes. Backs on backers. He saw that man, and if you have your back, your backer, on the back, you're going to win that. If you do not win, we did not win. What kind of linebacker are you? You know what I'm saying? They're like, no, you expected to run through that man. So that's exactly what he did. I said, oh, Bebo's going to love this. That's backs on back all day. Yes, no question. If you don't do nothing else, you got to at least push him into his lap. Something. You know? You see him through that running back as a backer. Easy. First down, Barkley come up out there. He getting nine. Then second down, he getting five.

14:39Yeah, they went Barkley crazy. He getting 13. Again, that was the play 99 that got double scooped on. Like, I don't know. Like I said, I don't know what was going on. He had a tough day. Yeah, second and seven. Hurts to AJ again. Yes. 11. Mm-hmm. They get to the next second down. Hurts to Dallas. Got it again for 11. And it's another first down. Like, I think they got to that next first down, and it was like maybe they got maybe two yards or something like that. So they ended up coming away with only like a field goal because they had a holding on the second. And it was actually, I think it was a touchdown.

15:26Yeah, it was a touchdown. And that guy called back for holding. Yep. Hurts fumbled the joint. And he fumbled, yeah. And he climbed hell on the joint. They got lucky all the way through that. Everybody was getting lucky. It could have been at least four more turnovers. Yeah. Yeah. I think it ended up getting a field goal on that one, right? It was 6-10. Six to ten. Yeah, six to ten. And then the Chargers get out there. It ain't nothing but like, what, 50 seconds left, 48 seconds left, something like that. Trying to see if they can go get some points before halftime. Dude. And third down, he is intercepted and is having – had his arm hit.

16:08The thing just flopped up in the air. Flopped up in the air. And then to add to it, you know, the running back. The running back. See, that's the extra. Why are you trying to slam me, man? You hear the whistle blowing, you're frustrated. But that's going to cost you 15. Like, that's the dumb stuff I hate when people do. Like, you hear the whistle. Boom. I'm like, what was that for, coach? You mad. And now you got us looking crazy. That put them at the, I think, the 30 of L.A. when the Eagles got the ball back. But the field goal kicker goes out there. They try to play. Field goal kicker goes out there, and he misses the field goal.

16:44So, halftime, still 6-10. Yep. And the Chargers come out, and they work their way down the field. This drive was long. Long, dude. I think it was like 16 plays or something like that. Bro, nine minutes and 30 seconds. Yeah. A lot of third down conversions. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. Herbert scrambled, I think, for two of the first downs. Mm-hmm. The longest one being the third down. I think he went for like 15. And then he got out of another sack on that. Yeah. Dude, they could have sacked him about 10, 12 times, dude. For sure. For sure. And then they go and kick the field goal. It's good. But dude gets a penalty for leverage.

17:25Dude, he didn't even try and not leverage. He looked like he actually went there to leverage. He was like, what are you doing? Like, it was like this. Right. Like, the coach told him, what you need to do is go push on his back as hard as you can. Right. And see how high you can get. I was like, what are you doing? What in the world is he doing, bro? Didn't even go high. They end up getting lucky. Well, defense stood up to him and they got lucky, but they get to the Philly like nine. Yes, bro. They defense was standing up. They end up holding them to a field goal, so it don't crease them too bad.

18:01It's 6-13 now. Yes, sir. And this is when Philly came out on the kickoff return. They fumbled it. They got lucky on that return that it bounced that way. But the bounce, if it would have bounced any other way, he just was lucky. Dude, very, very, very lucky, dude. First down, I think, Hurts hits AJ for like 26. Mm-hmm. Chargers end up being able to hold. They hold them to a field goal. It's 9-13 now, right? Yep. And the Chargers come out there, and they basically go three and out with a sack fumble. They got lucky to recover. That's the one that almost messed his hand up. And then, you know, the second down, where the dude got beat again.

18:56Dude got beat again for the sack. That was the sack. Like, dude, Hampton, he helped him running. That was another backs on backs. Yes, he was a serious liability in the pass protection. It looks like everybody's liability in the past. Herbert out there running for his life. Running for his life. Yes. Got to protect him. Jarvis get back out there. And second down, finally. McConkie getting one for 12. Then the next second down, Herbert ends up avoiding another sack. Scrambles for seven. Come out, D-Bow. after they got the back some backers and they punted it to the Eagles that's when the Eagles ended up scoring oh you're right they had the 55 yard touchdown we had the fake tush push on 31 I call that the tush toss yes Saquon got loose on him 52 16-13 yes I was waiting on that tushie yeah i said oh that was nice yeah so they gonna stop yeah they gonna stop holding that you know putting everybody up in there hey i ain't gonna lie it look like he might have got away with a little hold over there too oh they'd l for bro from the show last night to this drive why is it never chill because this is our life backstage on the road it's loud messy real and that's the best part whole crew no plan just moving good thing nissan builds for that kind of chaos Not just test tracks, real life scenes, late nights, road trips, all of it.

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22:35So that's why I didn't acknowledge it. My bad. I'm just saying. I seen it. I seen it, too. I seen it. I seen it. I seen it. Yeah. Now the Chargers get back out there. Yes, sir. Second down. Herbert Gomes head and he hits McConkie. McConkie getting him a high 12. There we go. Get involved, McConkie. I was looking for McConkie. Yeah. The next second down, Herbert avoids another sack. I think he gained seven, but the Eagles defense was able to do what they needed to do, hold them down, get them to punt the rock. Yes, sir. Eagles get back out there, man. I think it's... The punter, when they punted it to him, he almost, he was bobbling it and got face mask.

23:11Yeah. I don't know how he kept the ball. I don't know how they didn't call that face mask. I think because they didn't call the other one and it looked like it could have been the same way. That's crazy. That's crazy. He got a call. Yeah. What are y 'all looking at? He's the only person that got the ball. He turned that whole head. He turned that whole head. Yes. Yeah. Referees need to start getting fined. First down, Hurts said I think it was Cooper for 19. And then he proceeds to throw another interception. But I'm going to say this. That wasn't all his fault. Heck no, it wasn't. AJ got them gator arms seeing that boy come down there.

23:50And he said, I got to get my hands down faster than I got to worry about catching this ball. so I don't get my MIG session lit up. A thousand percent. Debo, as that receiver, and you're making$35 million a year, I need you to expose yourself to that hit. You know what I'm saying? It is. I don't know. Maybe he was thinking if I do that, who knows next time I get another hit. Debo, don't even do that, man. Everybody got dirty stuff to their job, man. No question. Go across that middle and catch that rock. You know what I'm saying? And bomb. Because he can't fold you like that. Back in the G now, that was A.

24:22Man. You got to go ahead and get that. But then, look, if you don't get it, it's a pick. And now you're setting your team up for failure and you want to rock. AJ, you the man. I love you. But you got to have your quarterback feeling like this. If I'm throwing over there, worst case scenario, if it's a bad ball, I don't want it to be picked. But that's an okay ball. You got to go get that for me. Yes. Please. All I had to do was keep the hands up a little higher and actually, as soon as he went to jump to get it, he looked to see where somebody was at. And that was immediate nope. Uh-uh. They end up returning that one.

24:56I think it was to the Philly, like, 35. And then Chargers get out there. And I think the first play, Herbert got sacked. That was sacked number six by then. You know, they completed maybe one more first down. And again, they had to settle for a field goal. Defense was able to do what they needed to do. Eagles defense was answering calls and putting out force fires the whole game, bro. Oh, big time. Them dudes was hooping. Offense did not put them in any good positions. No, they didn't help the cause too much. I'll tell you that. It's just tied up 16-16 now. And then basically the Eagles and the Chargers, I think they traded back and forth, three and outs then.

25:44Philly ends up getting it and starting at the 40 after that punt return. Yep. and it's I think it's only like three a little over three and a half minutes left to play second down hurts his AJ again 16 but he actually broke that one broke the tackle held on to him hey and then I thought he was about to hurt nobody and stay in bounds and just get all the way up the sideline that's what it looked like I thought he had jumped it but when he jumped him I guess he jumped and slid out a little once he jumped him instead of going instead of going in for sure And then the next second down hurts his AJ again.

26:23Big boy slants. Was it 19 that time? Big boy slants. Dude. The following second down, guess who? Guess who? Who? To AJ. Yes. Had the ball, man. That DB made a hella fine play, bro. Come on. Come on. Debo, that's how you did. It was like, oh, he dropped it. He didn't drop it. The defensive back raked it, put his hand in that bucket the same time. Put his hand in the bucket, got that arm, yep. So that's why he was looking at it. He didn't get that chance to actually get it fully locked in so he could squeeze it. I'm ripping that arm off. So now you can't catch the ball. That was perfect DB play, perfect timing.

27:05And A.J. Brown knew, he was like this. He knew, he was like, ah, that's just a great play. I got to have that for sure. But he knocked it out of my head. So like great ball, great right there. But the defensive back, like, ah, that's how you make a play. That's a pass breakup. Yeah, definitely. The competitor in, the way he see himself, he wants to be great. He got to have that. He said it himself. On the offensive side, yes. It touched both of your hands. So you feel like, I need that. That's my ball, for sure. As a DB, I got to have that pass breakup. That's real fight to the last, last second.

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27:39Right there, they ended up, you know, keeping them to only a field goal. That's an extra four points, not on the board. 19 to 16. Chargers get back out there. They end up getting to, I think it was third and 10. It was incomplete, but it was a pass. E.I. Gave him a first down. That's huge, bro. It would have been over. It was a wrap. It would have been over. Over. That first down, Herbic scrambles. A for seven. I'm going to tell you right now, he is not stepping out of bounds right there, if that's me. He is in bounds. Oh, no, no. For sure. He is in that right there. I would have felt like after the outcome had happened that I just lost us the game because that right there was my opportunity to be like, nope, you can finish next week.

28:34No, because at the end of the day, what you're saying, my man was running out of bounds to the angle where, like, there's no way. Because if he would have hit him at the angle he was running, they were out of bounds. No, dude. He was coming. He was already out of bounds. So when he came down, his foot would have been in bounds when he hit him. No, no. I'm saying if he would have came at an angle to hit him, he could have hit him straight in bounds. Easy. For sure. But I'm saying he was running out of bounds. Like just showing. Seeing he was coming, he was running out of bounds. They talking about good play, nice.

29:05No, it's not. You think he should have fumbled him? He should have just fumbled him. What? He in bounds. Dude, you need to get out faster. Same thing with Dart. With Dart. No, a thousand percent. I just see. You want to protect that hand and everything else. He went, yeah, he looked out. He just looked out because the DB ran out of bounds. Like, I know where you're running. I see somebody chasing you. I could fumb you, but I'm just like going to run in front of you out of bounds. Run in front of you out of, dude. He looked out. He had a whole foot in bounds when he went past him. He could have fumbed.

29:37I'm not. I'm not. He could have fumbed. He could have fumbed. He could have foamed him. He could have foamed him. Next play, Vidal goes, what, eight? And then third and four, who scrambles for another first down? Herbert. That shouldn't have probably even been in the game right there. Broken hand. Like, broken hand. Like, a stomach shot. Fresh wounds. Like, something. That hand would have been tingling so bad, he wouldn't have been able to even try and throw it. Like, yeah. He wouldn't have been able to at least be there for the next couple plays. Take away the scramble that led to a first down on third and four.

30:17And then he gets another nine. Yes. Pulled it again. Then he keeps it on the fake. Yes. It goes nine again. Mm-hmm. Eagles able to hold him. They tie it up. It's 19-19. We get into overtime. Yes. Chargers get the ball to start. and now we're pulling it again. Herbert's like, I'm trying to win this thing. Listen, I'm trying to win this thing. 12. Then Hampton go 18. Yes. They get able to, you know, they able to stop it. They got a great kicker over there. They get the field goal 22 to 19. Yep. I'm like, I'm just thinking like, yo, if that's me, and we get to the point to where Philly is at now, and we lose this game, I am never doing that again.

31:12I am never – I ain't sparing nobody. I can't. Oh, yeah, you talking about – You still talking about – I ain't sparing. I ain't sparing. All these plays he done did, he ain't supposed to even be in there doing. Yeah, yeah, that would have been the finisher for sure. Because he did – Debo, you're exactly right. When I'm looking at the game, he could have peeled on them. Peeled his hat. He didn't even have the intentions to peel on him. He just ran in front of him like, oh, I could have hit you, like just basically showing him. But like, no, I know what you're saying. No, I did. I did. Like right across the midsection.

31:46Boom. He could have hit him. Philly get out there. I think third and six. Hurt scrambles for what? 17, but they get a hold. They get a hold. Self-inflicted wounds, man. Yes. And then they let them convert. Boy, that was the best ball he threw it a day. 28 yards, dude. First down. I'm like, oh, man. I'm like, yo, they must be trying. They trying to go ahead and get in this. Yeah, they trying to go ahead and get in this game, man. They get them down to fourth and four, I think it was. Now, this one, they really tried to give them the game. It's the illest stuff in Nebraska. What is you doing, bro?

32:29What are you doing? They just called a timeout because the snap was going to be too fast. You know they got more time. They're going to hard count you. They got a kicker that can make that kick. Do they really want to snap that ball if they ain't got to? Probably let the kicker go do it. It ain't even going to go home. Hold your water. Right. He goes and gets into the neutral zone. Tackle does the responsible thing. Throws the hand out there. Yeah, it gets to moving. Then second down. Hurts hit Dallas again for 16. I think the next play He He get What was it Oh no Was it not It was the next play What happened the next play Oh yeah The next play What happened the next play With my man on the I'm just I'm trying to get you Tell me what happened I'm like this The next play What did the corner do I want you to tell me Everything the corner did right The corner played it Just like You know who did it You know who he did it like James Pierre That's that cover two That's that high low You got the flat route in front of you, and you got a seven route behind you.

33:35At the end of the day, he could have got to the low, but he was playing right there, right in between. Perfect coverage. So he baited him. Baited him. Throw that seven. Deep to short. Deep to short. I'm right here. I'm right here. I can play both. He didn't bite the cheese, as Bust would say. Bust say, hey, don't bite the cheese. Don't bite the cheese. Most of the time, if it's something short in front of you or something deeper behind you, they want you to come up to it to clear the world. Yes. Because if he hadn't did that, he wouldn't have got a hand on the ball because the safety was beat.

34:00Yes. He was beat like a broke-dick dog right there. Because in cover two, a seven route is not the safety's play. He's got to be able to come there and help you. But the corner, the seven route is a corner's play in cover two. You got to make that play. So if he tapped it, boom, safety's right in enough position to make the tackle. But he's not going to be able to make the play on the ball. They called the right play for it. They just didn't count on that corner doing exactly what he did. He got that hand on that ball. Safety was able to get to it. game over. Game over. That's the way you do it right there, bro.

34:34No. The Eagles, man, they just... They didn't... Dude, I think they kicked, what, so many field goals in the red zone. They ain't converted enough of their red zone possessions into touchdowns. It was too many field goals they had to settle for, along with too many turnovers, period. And then, like, untimely turnovers. You know, four interceptions. This dude got an interception, a fumble, recovery and a cause like you you fumbled it you recovered it and you intercepted it all and you got intercepted all in one like yo the chargers defense just played situationally better that's what it come down to better in the red zone and holding the field goals third downs i think there was only 4 or 13.

35:21You know, Philly was. And then, dude, Herbert, dude, he, yo, he just toughed it out. Seven days after having your hand surgically repaired, this boy got metal in his hand. Like, but I'm going to tell you this. Like, they going to need to get him some protection. He going to get killed out there, man. 1 ,000%. 1 ,000%. You got a gladiator. They got a gladiator out there, Herbert, that's fighting for his life. He know that they ain't going to really do too much without him. But for his safety? That's why he planned with a surgically repaired hand seven days later. He knows what he's done. It's fresh wounds under that hand, under that, Debo.

36:09It's blood. Man, you can knock something loose in there. That stuff ain't stable and started up and calloused up and all. I mean, you know, and the bones hardened up around those plates and screws. stuff, man. Uh-uh. They talking about some, yeah, it's some swelling and scarring. I say that he just had the surgery. What do you expect? Some. They told me somebody had surgery in seven days and they, listen, he got open wounds still, bro. That's what I'm saying, Debo. He's bleeding out on the field. He got open wounds, man. Yeah, they gotta relax. They gotta stop tripping on that, man. That man was going hard.

36:43He got hit, just getting hit too many times, and I love the way he plays, too. Like, he knows He uses his legs. He's not going to, he's trying to help the team out. You know what I'm saying? So some of those hits, he's going to be taking them, but just the ones in the pocket where he's just getting smacked. We just need to. He is running around. He ran into a couple sets because he just thought somebody was going to come. Yeah. And he was like, the time is over with. I got to run because. That clock in his head is going off. Yeah. I know how much time they normally give me. He's like, there's one, two.

37:13Somebody's supposed to. Somebody comes. Right now. Yeah. And then, but with the Eagles, like, you said it's too many, too many, too many turnovers. Too many. Like, that was crazy. You know, and then the ricochets, a lot of the overthrowing balls that could have been picks. And with that run game, I love the way they was getting Saquon going, but it's like either bang or bust. You know what I'm saying? It's a lot of them. He's getting hit four-yard, three-yard losses, one-yard losses. The Lions just getting beat like a drum sometimes. So, I mean, and then a lot of the offense, my man Jalen Hurts was back there, like running full blown five wides a lot of the times too.

37:56They just had him spreading it out. They were just calling, had him out there dealing. So, I mean, I didn't see any real consistency, you know what I'm saying, to the offense. They really had no flow. So it just looked like, okay, Saquon gets here. I mean, anytime they got a little flow, it was like, oh, turnover. Yeah, pick. You know? No, for sure. So that was not a good showing by Jalen, man, just because all of them picks, you can't do that and expect to win a game. Yeah, I ain't going to lie. I didn't think their defense was going to play that good, though. Their defense balled out. Yeah. Their defense balled out.

38:29I didn't think they was going to play. I thought it was going to be like, you know, one of those where you just get knocked all over the place. I mean, what's my man named, Davis, 90? Yes. He's a big body, bro. Trouble. He's a big body in there. He was super trouble for that man. And it's like he's stout. You know you say people are just coming over and taking over. Like if he had a gap over there, he's letting linemen come get him. No, he's not getting cross-faced. None of that's happening. He's remaking a line of scrimmage. Oh, easily. Easily. Slicing through there like he thin, though, sometimes.

39:06Yeah. That's crazy. That was a good game. Man, they say the Steelers just, you know, they say they got lucky, man. They say Steelers got lucky, but it's hope that, you know, the rivalry provides, that Aaron provides a little bit of rivalry. I mean, you know, they say it's watered down in the AFC over here with us in the North. That's what they're saying. But Mike did say, hey, you're going to business with Aaron Rodgers for days like this. I agree with him 100 % because that's what I thought we was getting all day. when you first signed him. I was like, yo, I ain't going to say like 285 yards every game, but I thought we was going to get something that was effective, you know.

39:49Yeah. I don't – my thing is this, though. Let me hear it. We got him for days like this. I thought we got him just for the season to play like this all year. But with that being said, I don't want to feel like we got to wait until we get to the 12th hour to make the necessary changes that we saw was needed the previous 12 weeks and we just did nothing about it. So if that's the case and we continue to like, you know, the offense continues to play like this, you know, like they did last week or somewhere around close to it, you know, then somebody got to be responsible for not changing that the previous first weeks.

40:34Right. Yeah. And then, you know, I'll say again, the defense, hold up let me say this

40:45if the offense continues to play this way okay and the defense continues to play the way they played giving up the numbers that they did against the ravens the outcome will not be the same and i I highly doubt we'll get calls, you know, that we did against them that essentially helped us win the game. Like, and to think about this, like, the crazy thing is the offense played the best game they done played all year. And without those two questionable calls, we could have still lost the game. No, for sure. For sure. we could obviously do better and this is the thing too the division is you can only be who you play the ravens are leading in the division so us being in a sorry division right now is i mean i don't know that's what i'm saying once once we once we beat them but i'm saying us being able to lead the division now it's good because end of the day you got to be who you play and that's who we that's that's our litmus right now to be able to get in the playoffs we had to beat them no matter how we beat them.

41:56Ugly, good, defense do good, whatever, whatever. We got out of that stadium with a dub. So I feel you. But moving forward, I know our defense I've seen us play at a very high level. And offense too. Not even, this game was really good, but I seen A-Rod doing a scramble. He threw for four touchdowns, no picks before this season. So I've seen him do that also. So I'm like, A-Rod having him and he says we're going into business because later on in the year when it's getting cold, when we're trying to make the playoffs win, it doesn't matter how you win, but you just better make sure you do win. You know what I'm saying?

42:27So I understand what he's saying to going into these games with A-Rod having a vet quarterback. Defense, I've seen him do it before, too. Offense, I like it. I've seen him do this before, too. It's just our team needs to have way more consistency. We don't know which team is going to come into the stadium. Just come in that stadium team as a good team. So I want to know what's stopping that? What do you think is stopping that consistency? Do you think it's play? Do you think it's calling? I think it's play. I think it's play. Because a lot of the times that I'm seeing things, Debo, It's somebody getting beat.

42:57It's somebody dropping the pass. A lot of the stuff is self-support wounds. Like my man Echols, I'm going to speak on him because a lot of the time I be on him because I'm like, dude, I see the coverage. You need to be just in your assignment, and then you can make the play. Like it's not all about you like having to be perfect. It's just about you not blowing anything. Everybody needs to not be out there doing any MAs. If we don't have any MAs and somebody just beats you at that play, then okay, I can live with that. I can't live with us doing MAs, turnovers, dumb things. So I think it's the play.

43:30Dudes, y 'all better go out there and no matter what the play is, be in your gap. Do what the job is said to do. And if the job then is bad, then we'll go and we'll figure out the call. You know what I'm saying? But a lot of the stuff I see more is player-based some stuff that I'm like, y 'all done it before good. Stop getting hit out your gaps. You know what I'm saying? Catch the ball. Don't turn it over. So with this, with A-Rod, I love, I just don't, I want us to don't try to do crazy things. Just don't do anything. On offense, I'll say this. I think it's more of what they're called or allowed to call because we ain't never threw the ball down the field that much.

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46:37I'm seeing people doing the same thing, different people doing the same thing. and it's not that everybody's doing something wrong. That's how you're going to scheme it out and it wasn't working. You know, having last week, you know, having our corners and safeties trying to fill down in the line, that was not happening. Like they tried it for a hot second with Baltimore and, you know, we changed it up and figured out how we were going to adjust to it. But I just feel like it's a combination of the two. and when you are not put in the positions to be able to be effective because it's not every man with a gap.

47:19It could be somebody that has two gaps. It could be somebody where, oh, well, we'll worry about that if it ever comes to it. And I know it's things like that that's going on. So guys have to play, yes, 100%. But at the same time, they got to be put in positions that make those plays. No, a thousand percent. Yeah, so that's – Let me see. Like I said, for me, it's a combination of the both. But looking back on what we've seen, not including this game, dude, it was times where I'm just like, yo, that is schematically wrong. When you say that thing, because the schematically part that I understand is when they ran that play on us 29 times, the same play, and we— Here's the thing.

48:10That play was actually zoned out that if they fit it exactly how they're supposed to, then they would be able to make that play. It's just that guys were not in their gaps. And then when it came down to it, it was like a, it was usually like a gap left open that he didn't take it to. Cause we weren't really getting down to it anyway, but you're asking us, you know, you're asking a corner to come down here and play like a linebacker snap. What was it? 20, 30 snaps. Come on. When they got big bodies, we need big bodies. We have to figure out how to, how to cover that. Some, some, some other way.

48:51I don't, I just, and like I said, all that, that they were doing there, I think it's just from, you know, trying to tweak the defense here and there to make it work better for the talent or for the skill set of players that you got. I think what we've been doing a lot of over the last 10 years is we've been drafting players. We've been drafting players and not players for the position that we need them to fill. I need a D lineman that's going to be able to hold up in the run game because he's an interior D lineman. like I need you know an outside guy that can can can be able to you know rush the ball we don't drop anymore anymore so we used to have to have guys that you know had to be able to drop curl flat had to be able to cover seam at least you know be able to chase with the number two like it's times where like I said you look and yeah I'm locked on I'm locked on the slot receiver and I'm going like this looking back at RC like, hey, you see I'm on two by myself, right?

50:00Lean this way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. You know, but that was something that with Dick LeBow's defense, man, it was a lot of nuances of it that, you know, you had to know everything about it. And when it got to, I think when I went to Cincinnati in 13, you know, it just turned into like it was a lot of players. I won't say a lot. It was like just a few players that were young and they were, they were, they were in there starting and it's hard to learn that defense. And they were, they were making big mental errors, small mental errors. And when you do that in Coastal Bow's defense, it strikes up the band, but that's not how I know Coastal Bow operated for the most part.

50:42Like I think the only person that ever started as a rookie in Coastal Bow's defense was Kendra O 'Bell. And we ran all those Mac defense, like the gap, Mac guns, so all that stuff. So it basically just told the Mac, hey, get out of here and blitz ABCD, ABCD. And then the linebackers or whoever else would pick up whatever his coverage was. But, you know, when we got to the position, I think where we just started, you know, we started drafting for the player and not the position that the player needed to fill. I think is when, you know, things started going downhill a little bit. And then we had a point where, you know, I think between 2016 to about 20.

51:27Yeah, that's when I back up. Yeah, I got there 17. We was in there like five. We went three. We did real good, man. Right, right. And they were back up there. And then I think in 21, things started going down again. And from there, it just continued to go down. I don't know if it was just more changes because I'm not there to see it. I don't know if that's what it was. But looking at it now, like, I know just from looking at the scheme of, like, this stuff is just, it's not correctly gapped out. The one thing that you said big, big time that hits me hard, like when I went there and it ended up being a really good defense was if you don't have vets that really kind of, you got to know football.

52:11You got to be able to communicate and, like, be able to talk to linebackers, be able to talk to the safeties and know what do we see? And we see the same things, you know what I'm saying? So if there's any, they can't be gray. So we would do some extra meetings. So like you said, it wasn't just exactly black and white. I would have to do meetings, me, Minka, you know what I'm saying, with Vince Williams. I love Vince. Because Vince, if he didn't know something, Vince going to come ask you. Vince going to like this. I don't like the gray, Joe. Like, I'm like, neither do I, Vince. So we need to figure this out.

52:37So we're going to walk in. Right. But why wouldn't that be told, you know, to Vince by his coach? You see what I'm saying? Like, you got to sit down. I know. I'm with you. Because there was just, like you said, there were certain. It was things that was being told different by different people for the same defense. And it was like, yo, just because, again, as you said, just because you did it this way don't mean that's what we do. They want us to do it this way. We can't do it that way. Yeah. But what makes you good is if you have to have people that end up being like, there sometimes has to be some extra.

53:12like if everybody's not seeing things the same way you have to get on to the same record because end of the day you're on the field you know what i'm saying so i would hope that the coaches and everybody was setting this stuff up right but i just know when i was there we would have to have a little bit of extra meetings just so there's no gray making sure linebackers and corners see things the same way is this getting passed off is this high low you know i'm saying are you taking this or not you know i'm saying so the extra stuff to it because when when you know like you when you know we ain't do when when when coach Lebo was there we didn't have that we knew what it was everybody coached the same thing this this is exactly what it was you know and and now you think look at this so in 13 I think I ended up going to Cincinnati in 12 we were number one defense in 13 I think they ended up dropping to 13 ranked and then in 8 and then in 14 it was 18 and then coach lebow wasn't renewed and it was said that his defense was old it was getting no that's not what happened it was younger players been putting positions to play that weren't necessarily ready to play and with that you know happening you lose the knowledge of the position you're playing because now this player hasn't been there long enough to know everything that's going on but they're forced into playing now because they may be a higher draft choice or something like that and you've seen that happen in 13 seen having 14 and then when i came back in 14 i'm like okay it's sort of like the same defense it was pretty much the same and then when 15 road it just totally changed it was supposed to be the same defense but they were changing parts of the defense to fit what it is that they want to do and you can't do that when you do that you mess up the whole mess up other holes right because each defense has a weakness just as each offense does and they have checks and adjustments to it so for us when you do that you you know added another hole to the defense if not two or three and now you have guys out of position you have guys you know or not even out of position it's just that the change puts them out of position and they can't get to something else that would have been covered you know otherwise coach would tell us okay we know what this weakness is i know what this weakness is if this happens hey we just got to rally to the ball they may get you know eight ten yards we just got to make the tackle and i think us trying to change that just you're trying to cover up you can't cover up that play you got you got everything else cover, but if they get this one, we might have got to just rally, catch and tackle, fight another down.

55:59But trying to cover up everything is going to make a whole another problem. I'll get you a thousand percent. Yeah, yeah. So, but let's go on over here to Cleveland. Cleveland say, hey, Shado, Shado go be number one for the rest of the season, Joe. Yes. How you feel about this? What took them so long, Joe?

56:25You tell me. I'm just as confused as you. Hey, man, listen. They had to have undeniable proof numbers where they could no longer say, hey, it's week to week. Well, this man just went out here and did something y 'all ain't had done since 1950. If you go in there and say it's week to week, we know you ain't for him. No. and like it's just now i mean the good thing is dylan gabriel he got his starts out there he had his chance to see if he could be the guy he ended up going down with a concussion now my man shador gets the same opportunities it's only his third start and i'm not not this is from no practice with the first is no none of that stuff he's just showing that he has the ability to if he gets reps and continues to play he's going this way he's getting better and i'm not saying none of these games have been perfect he's still got things he can do a whole lot better and i know that And I know he knows that pocket presence, being able to make a little bit quicker decisions, being able to spin out that slow spin.

57:24It just gets me every time. But eyes downfield, being able to make those passes. I love it. So, I mean, the good thing is going to be a tough schedule coming ahead. I just want the team to be there for him because they're mathematically eliminated right now, Debo. There's nothing that the Browns can't go to the playoffs. I don't want people to start cashing it in on him. He needs them and needs everybody to be trying to go at the best of their abilities. Right now you can't, the season's kind of over, but dude, you better go play for the name on your back and play for, you know what I'm saying, just for the next team.

57:57You may not be with the Browns or whatever. This is when you start having, these are the talks, Tebow, that we used to have to have. When you're mathematically eliminated, people get to worrying about the off season, what they about to do next year. Like, no, no, no, no, no. For Shador right now, he's going to have a tough stretch of these last five games. So he's going to need that for real, had a team with him, have everybody really locked in fighting for him and for their own job because you're pros and this is what you do. Because I say that being in locker rooms that have been mathematically eliminated, you see people checking out.

58:27That's not cool. And I've never been that person. You are the honest guy don't lie. You are what you put on tape. And I never want to be that person like try to solve. No, what you see is what you get. You want to do what you can do every single time you put your best foot out there. but shit gets weird when you're in locker rooms that are losing and mathematically eliminated and people are looking for their jobs coaches trying to protect their jobs and really like shit gets weird in those locker rooms so I just want them to stay motivated still fight for Shador because it's time like I think he can be the quarterback the leading the leading quarterback for this franchise I don't know if the coach is going to be there with him I think they need somebody that's going to support Shador be full all in want want that swag want to help him be successful So that's just a whole other thing for next year.

59:11But just continuing with this season, I need them to go out there and fight for them. Because, you know, once you get Math Mac eliminated, people start acting funny. And I need them to block for them, protect them. Everybody try to get deals, man. You may not be with the Browns, but just fight for that next team. So that's what I got to say. Just trying to give my Browns some hope, some love, because Shador is going to need it. You know what I'm saying? For these next couple of games coming up. I understand what you're saying. But I don't know the feeling of it Because I've never been in that situation Where you're just playing for nothing Debo, Debo, Debo, Debo You're supposed to be my friend Oh, I'm just saying I would agree with you You know what, Debo It's okay, Joe

59:55That's why I know I'm a real leader I'm okay, Joe I'm gonna egg your house You're gonna egg my Wow, you said you ain't want nobody egging your house then you go egg my house? I'm joking, Debo. I'm joking. You made me feel some type of way. Man, let's get to the super chat, man. Covenant Life is back. Covenant Life 7397. Donated$50. Shout out, Covenant. You said, today I'm watching from St. Louis. From St. Lucia. Ooh. Ooh. She said, today she watching from St. Lucia. Ooh. Send me some of that over here. Man. I have a grandson that needs a great DB camp. Please start and prepare yourselves for the Steel Curtain camp for teenagers.

1:00:45Thank you. What's the Steel? Is she saying that we need to throw a camp? Please start and prepare yourself for the Steel Curtain camp for teenagers. Thank you. Hope to see you guys for the Steelers-Baltimore game. In January, are you ready for Miami? Of course we are ready for Miami. Yes. Yes. Yes. We are ready for Miami. So are we to start a camp or do you want to start a camp? It's either she wants us to start a camp, Debo, or she's inviting us to the Steel Curtain Camp. One of the two. We're going to have to find out later. We're going to have to find out later. You know what? Covenant is going to let us know.

1:01:31Yes. Yes. Covenant is going to let us know. We're still praying for you now. Definitely. Always. So Danny DuBois, 17, 12, he donated 14 bucks. He said, Ebo and Joe, you both have played for multiple teams. Do you still care about the other teams, or are you both just black and gold? You know, we know Joe's answers. Go ahead, Joe. Does he watch the show? He must not. You know, I am split loyalties. I keep on saying it. I got the Steelers and I got the Browns. I love both. Now, Debo.

1:02:09What about you, Debo? Me? Huh? Yeah. I'm black and gold all day. You're black and gold all day? You know, I'm black and gold all day. You ain't rock with nothing. So you don't do that. I ain't got no. You got no loyalty to them other teams. I ain't got nothing. Yeah. Non-data. Zero. I ain't got, you know what I'm saying? I appreciate what they did for me. You see? You feel me? Okay. I appreciate all that. Now, look here. If we can't get it, do I want one of them to get it? Yeah, because then I feel good about, you know. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You got to like, it's no. If it's me, if it's still the black and gold against Cincinnati.

1:02:49Black and gold. Or New England. I got to go black and gold. Now, if they ain't in it, then I'm going to go with the other. But if we going We going You going black and gold Respect I got to go black and gold Look here man Danny DuBois came back He said hey Joe you got to pick one He donated 14 for this You got to pick one Joe he said How you going to make me pick something How you going to make me pick something I like both Mr. DuBois Hold on, Joe. What's up? Tell him I got your hat for you. Jibo, show him my hat. I just hope both teams have fun. That's Joe right there. And Covenant Life said she want us to start the camp.

1:03:47She said she want us to start the camp. We need to start the camp. I'm more of a linebacker, but I'll help him out if he want to start it, though. You know, I'm good with the quick feed. I'm, you know, let me, we're going to set something. This offseason, we'll figure something out, Debo. Yeah, we're going to figure it out for sure, for sure. Because I'm not against that. I love doing the little, I love the camps. I did a couple of them things. You had your good time over there in St. Lucia. Now, look here, guys, we want to thank you for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Hey, please, like and subscribe.

1:04:18Yes, I am. We going to be back here on Friday after Thursday night. Yes, sir. We talking. Some more football. And you know what? I got two. We got two sets of two tickets. Come on, D-Bo. Monday Night Football. That's still us against the Miami Dolphins. And you know what? We don't like it. Dolphins. No. we train them to do what we want. Like SeaWorld. And we're going to be training some dolphins on Sunday. Oh, sorry. On Monday night, we're going to be training some dolphins on Monday night. They're getting them ready for us. We're going to have them jumping through hoops. We're going to have them doing things for us like doing an ee, ee, ee, ee, ee, ee.

1:05:13All right. Joe? They're going to be cold as ice, too. You ain't lying. Debo, you ain't lying. We're going to whoop the dolphins on Monday, and we're going to talk about it on Tuesday. Yes, sir. Here we are.

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