Deebo & Joe Part 1: Aaron Donald comes out of retirement + Steelers trade Broderick Jones to Cowboys

22:35Look here man The Steelers traded offensive tackle Broderick Jones And a 2027 fourth round pick To Dallas Cowboys in exchange For a 2027 third and Sixth round pick So he was drafted 14th overall by Pittsburgh in 2023 He served at a starting left tackle During the 2025 season and then before the season-ending neck injury in week 11 against the Bears, his season was cut short. Okay, Joe, you think this is a good move?

23:07James Harrison:Honestly, from the way it looked, I saw him in a couple of preseason games this season, and it was kind of – it didn't look too good. So I think that the Steelers just looked at maybe what they saw during training camp, what they saw on the way of him rehabbing and getting back. It just wasn't. They'd rather cut short now and just cut their losses. They had a first-round pick. It didn't pan out. They don't think he's going to be the future. So let's move on. I think they see more in Max. They see he has a brighter future, and it's more like, let me see what we can get for Broderick Jones now. He's coming back off of the injury, and I think that was the decision here.

23:42James Harrison:So I haven't seen him too much in practice, but when I seen him, it didn't look like, obviously, we didn't sign the fifth-year option, then a neck injury and he's been giving up a lot of sacks when I saw him out there in the games it didn't look he didn't look great so I think that from what they saw in practice and just the recovery and then trying to figure out let's just cut cut the bait it was a first round pick and being able to understand like all right let's not just try to hide the wound it is what it is like just being like all right I understand it's not going to quite pan out let's see what we can get yeah um I'm gonna have to agree with you because when you you even go back and look at it you know since he got in there and what 23 he is allowed you know 22 sacks and that's the fourth most among you know all tackles so it wasn't like you know it was a year thing it was a combination of things that you know through throughout the years and when you look at it you when you were first round pick, dude, there's certain expectations that come with that.

24:43I mean, you would know that. I wouldn't know. You know what I'm saying? I wouldn't know more about that.

24:47James Harrison:Expectations, you know expectations of performing, though. Yeah. And you know, they actually, I think they went You have to be performing. Yeah, and I think they actually moved up a couple spots to get him. So, when you do that, man, it's not like you have, I mean, they gave him plenty of time, I think, you know, three years. I think the big thing was Like, you know, they were saying he was raw and athletic, you know, all that other stuff. But we really haven't hit on our first round draft choices. You know, like, look at this since 2016. I think the only person we got in there right now that actually got a long term deal from was TJ.

25:27And when you look at it, what we got? You got Artie Burns 16, TJ 17, Edmonds, Bush. We traded over there for Minka. Well, Minka's not here no more. He wanted to tell them his opinion or how he felt. They ain't like that, I guess. Harris, Pickens, and Jones. So when you look at it, since 2016 to 23, we haven't really hit. And shit, Burns, Burns, I would say Burns, Pickett, and Edmonds, that was reaches. Like, I think that was a reach. Again, you're looking at something that they was considering like a raw talent. You know, when you look at, I think Jones. Sorry. Yeah, I think Jones, Harris, Bush, they were legit and they just didn't didn't come to pass.

26:21So now when you look at that, is it the player that just didn't come to pass or was it development? Because, you know, when you look at even the guys that they reach for, a lot of this is development. Like, are they being developed by the, you know, the coaches that they have on staff? So, you know, for me, and then you take into what Mason Rudolph had said, you know, just from him being here under Mike McCarthy, it's like, yo, he was jealous of the guys because, you know, they had a whole system and they're talking about footwork. And he was like, yeah, I was never even told anything about footwork.

26:55It's just do what you do. so I think that that is something that you got to look at too when you're talking about guys not actually getting to the status of what or the potential that everyone thought they could do

27:10James Harrison:I ask you this Debo with these draft picks when did you think because you with Coach Tomlin picking or with the general manager picking when when did that when was there a shift do you know I think I think it was a shift around, I want to say I would say around that 12, 13, maybe time frame. It was for sure switched all the way good by 16. Like it was definitely a head coach decision at that point. And that was something that, you know, I think, like I said, as much as him coming in and being our catalyst for change and getting us that Super Bowl and taking the guys that we already had there. I think, you know, when it got into those last 10 years and not being able to, you know, make it past that playoff game, that first to get that win, I think that was something that culminated into us not being able to do that because, you know, we were reaching for things that we were enamored by numbers, you know, athletic talent, all that, instead of what the guy can do at the position that we need him to do.

28:19Like, can you do exactly what we need to do at that position? And that's what I think led to some of the stuff where we're changing how the defense is ran. We're changing what this person is doing because the talent that we may have at that spot doesn't dictate that they can do everything that needed to be done. And you can't draft for, you know, a player, but you got to draft for your system. Otherwise, you're changing your system every year and you can't do that.

28:42James Harrison:Sure. I think a lot of the some of the some of the stuff is the players. They got to they got to play. I think with D. Bush, he got injured. You know what I'm saying? And he was able to play a little bit longer now, getting back in with the Browns and showing that he could still actually play. It was just injuries with him. I think Terrell Edmonds, he was a safety, but it was more some of that was just play. Like some of the stuff with tackling angles and stuff like that. It's just the pick and the performance. I think Najee Harris, good running back. But when you talk about first round picks and you just need to be a little more explosive, like when you was watching his tape versus Jalen Warrens, You just saw the explosiveness of the backs and just trying to figure out, OK, is that really just translating?

29:23James Harrison:Because in college, I didn't lie. I thought Najee Harris was going to be amazing. Like you can't miss. But the same way when you come to the league is just Reggie Bush. We thought I thought there's no way Reggie Bush will be one of the best running backs ever. It's just sometimes it just doesn't quite translate the exact same way that you would think it would. Trent Richardson, I'm watching his tape in Alabama. I'm like, oh, he's going to come to the league and be unbelievable for the Browns. It's just lifestyle. The way things happen, it's just sometimes it just doesn't work out. So with Kenny Pickett, I think he's one of the players where I'm like, okay, that just wasn't – I don't think that was a great pick.

29:59James Harrison:I don't think he's going to be a starting franchise quarterback in the league. You can kind of see that. Broderick Jones, you know, just the time that we had him out there, 22 – giving up 22 sacks. I mean, you're going to be able – you get that learning curve period, but at some point you've got to stop giving up sacks and, you know what I'm saying, and start learning the position because you're going to get three years to like, you're going to get a long enough time to learn if you're a first round pick. That's your first year. Okay, boom. Second year, you're going to get a little more. Third year, by this time, brother, we gave you these years.

30:28James Harrison:These third round picks, they might have been out of there, not had the first year to even show us that he has the chance. Like, no, we gave you a chance. And now you're to your third year. All right, if you don't get it by now, then we're going to have to move on. So just playing, players got to play. And just some of the stuff with some of the picks with Kenny Pickett, I just don't think some of them were just not really good picks. So it's a little bit of both. Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. Like, you go and reach for something that we shouldn't reach for. We go in and get a guy that we need to develop and we can't develop.

31:02So, you know, and then also the player, you know, you got a 50-50. You know what I'm saying? It's on the player and it's on the coaches to develop that talent, to get to, you know, that point of where y 'all see him having that potential and getting there. The Steelers also, this one has lost me, bro. The Steelers released veteran linebacker, inside linebacker, Elandon Roberts. Roberts was signed late in training camp. And then they released him, dude. Like, I don't understand that. I just this right here, this this move right here, I am one hundred fifty thousand billion percent lost on. You bring him in just to release him.

31:45So you telling me you brought this man in to like be a camp body, dude, that is that is unbelievable. Like, that is no way, because from everything that we were hearing beforehand was basically, it was reported like, you know, he's going to come in and basically almost be like a rotational starter. Like, we need somebody like him, you know? And it's everybody. Like, let's not make like E was trash. Like, he was our best run defender on the inside. okay and and then and that's just being honest bro i'm not trying to take nothing away from the guys that we got in there you know it is what it is just be real when you look at it queen queen is not a better run defender than e the shedding and blocking the shedding the tackling i think i think he is better p dub p dub got more issues than than than uh than that like just the point of attack, like running the ball at him because of his inability or difficulty in shedding blocks.

32:53And then he, like, it's almost like sometimes he can't recognize, like, the run. Like, he can't read it fast enough to get there. Now, Holcomb is probably the best dude that we have now because E is not there. But at the same time, I'm still taking E over Holcomb, Queen, and P-Dub as far as the run game. And what is the other guy we got? We got a rookie in there, Bruner. I can understand that. Special teams, he's doing all the other stuff. But I'm still rolling with E. Like, I hope this don't come back to bite us in the ass week one when we play Atlanta. And they got B-Zone over there, bro. I hear you.

33:36James Harrison:I hear you. I'm hoping, and this is what I'm thinking, with Queen and with P-Dub, them dudes are going to start. With the defensive line, we got to watch, Debo, from the first game of the season, like you said. If you're saying sometimes they weren't feeling this hard, they're going to have to now. Or it's going to have to show that it's been happening because they didn't play too much in the preseason. But when the season comes, we're going to, like you said, first week versus Atlanta, when they're coming against B. John Robinson, we're going to be watching and seeing if, is the defensive line holding stuff up?

34:10James Harrison:Are McQueen and P. Dub being able to come downhill? because like you said, you like the way 50 comes downhill, and so do I. That was what he came to the team for. If they brought him in just as a camp body, that's for physicality. So I'm saying what Queen was talking about when we was up there in camp, what P-Dub was talking about when we was up in camp, I'm hoping and I'm expecting that we're going to see them coming downhill. I understand what you're saying, and I'm hoping to expect the same thing. I sat there, and I'm like, yo, it sounds good. When we come down to it, when we look at the history over what you've done, that's not what we're saying.

34:48That's not what we're seeing, sorry. And, like, I just, I'm just, I'm lost. Like, he was with Patrick Graham over there, D.C. in Las Vegas, right? And then you bring him in and you release him. I don't understand the mindset. I don't understand, like, why that would happen. and then we go and we keep four quarterbacks. Like, that's probably one of the reasons why it's happening. Like, we go and we keep four QBs. Like, why are we keeping four QBs, man? That's crazy to me. Even Charlie was on here Friday. And Charlie was like, it sounds good, but it's impossible to do. It's not impossible to do.

35:35Hey, it's impossible. It ain't impossible no more. Like, dude, we got, what, 53 roster spots, bro? And four of them are for a quarterback, okay? That spot is costing us another roster position for another player that we could have because we then decided to keep, like, four quarterbacks. So what is this dude doing all week in practice? Like, because you can't be getting much reps. There's no way. The third barely getting reps. You know, that's usually your practice squad dude that's, you know, out there throwing the balls, doing all the stuff in practice squad. And then in the game, you're not getting nothing from you in the game.

36:11Like, I understand, like, kind of, like, we need to keep – I would say we need to keep at least two, three. Well, we need to keep at least three because when it comes down to it, you got your two young guys. I got to keep them. I got to keep Aller and Howard. I got to keep both of them. But I don't know if I'm keeping Mason, dude. He's had eight years or so, and we've seen what it is, And I understand a lot of people say, OK, what if Aaron gets hurt? You have nobody that has experience to come in. And, bro, I don't care. I do not care. We know Mason is not the future quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

36:51And if Aaron gets hurt, we're screwed anyway. OK, because.

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40:32James Harrison:Like he's not done. Like he's won. So you see Mason Rudolph having a possibility. No, no, no, no. Even under Mike McCarthy. Not being in the franchise, but I'm saying if Mike McCarthy, you got a vet on your team and you think, rather, you like the two young guys and you see what you see in Mason Rudolph. I'm just saying why Mike McCarthy would do it, because he's a heavy offensive-minded coach. And he's thinking these four quarterbacks are better than me keeping the sixth linebacker on the team that I don't want to get rid of Will because he's young. I don't want to get rid of Aller. We got four inside, we got four outside.

41:09James Harrison:We usually keep nine piece. Hey, that's what happens. That's what happens. That's when you difference between having an offensive-minded coach and a defensive-minded coach. That extra body, they're going to keep on offense instead of keeping them on defense. They're like, no. Okay, so why not even keep a receiver, extra receiver? When you got six of them, you run in the West Coast. Why not have seven? Well, look, that's on Mike McCarthy. I'm just trying to figure, I'm just trying to say why he would do these things. I feel you, D-Bo. Listen, my thing, dude. If that happens, God forbid Aaron gets hurt.

41:43And now we have Mason as the starter. Mason's not going to get us through the season. We done seen that. We saw that already. Let me go with you. I understand. Okay. But you just, and this is my thing. Why even hold on to Mason? So we know already you got two young guys that you need to find out.

42:01James Harrison:You just bypassed that he wouldn't be able to finish the season. dude we got two young guys that you need to find out what they can do and the big thing and the big knock on them or why you keeping mason rudolph is experience right experience he has experience he's been in there he's been in the fire okay how did he get the experience he had to go trial by fire okay we can't just keep drafting quarterbacks and not using them and then going and play and say oh well they ain't got no experience because you don't never let them get in there and get in real fire to get to the point to where they can get some experience we don't even know what we have like we don't know what we have at some point we're going to have to find out what we have because if next year come Aaron's gone and you keep those three quarterbacks what you're going to do draft another quarterback you can't find out what the what experience they got no we're not going to draft a quarterback I guarantee we don't draft a quarterback for at least a year or two because we got to find out what these two young guys can do and you're telling me you're going to go into that when Aaron's gone with Mason as the one and then these two as the backups?

43:06Like you keep saying, though, he's going to eventually you're going to end up getting able

43:12James Harrison:to play. If you're the backup quarterback, like you're saying, Mason's not going to make it through the year. So the same way with the Sean Watson and Shador Sanders, they feel like they have a vet that played a little bit longer. McCarthy is an offensive minded coach where he's like, I don't think I've seen the best of what Mason can do. We keep saying, oh, we know what Mason's going to do. He's going to get out there and he's not going to be able to finish it. Why not? Why? Let us see what Mike McCarthy can do with him. If not, then we still have these two young quarterbacks where Drew Aller and Will Howard, they're going to get the play.

43:42James Harrison:We're going to hold on. Aaron Rodgers is only going to be here for this one last year. This one last year. And then we're going to be able to see Drew and or Will next year. We're going to hold on to the possibility that he can develop into something. No, no, no. That is going to beat out. and be better than Aller and Howard, right? That's what you're saying, because that's the only reason I'm going to hold on to him. Because when Rodgers is gone, I'm saying, hey, he might be our best option. That's the only reason. I'm just saying, for me, that's the only reason I would hold on to him. Yeah. Yes.

44:22That's it. And when you look at it, dude, right here, we got Deshaun Watson is now, he's been placed on the IR, so he's going to return. Deshaun Elliott sorry Deshaun Elliott he's been placed on IR okay with a designation to return so when he returns we gotta get a spot for him we gotta get a spot for him that's four weeks what happens then? who gotta go then?

44:52James Harrison:somebody gotta go they need to they gotta figure out a way if he wants to keep all four because like you say if it's you not it's Mason is Will, is Drew? Drew's looking, I thought going through the offseason, when we were talking about Will, I didn't know what Drew was going to do. But if you're just being from my honest assessment, Drew looks better than Will. And that's just from my, if I'm just being honest, who do you think has been looking better, Drew or Will? If I'm looking at it, and I'm being like 100 % honest, I ain't gonna lie I might have to say Howard You might have to say Howard I may have to say Howard Now Drew has like I mean Aller So Aller has better arm strength placement Stuff like that But like just in the whole Quarterback position itself I think Howard may have did A little better as a whole Okay But again I'm not I'm not Hey listen man that's why we over here man That's why I ain't coaching I hope I don't know what I'm doing.

45:59I really do. I hope I don't know what I'm talking about right now.

46:01James Harrison:Both of them made really good passes. Both of them didn't. It's not like I'm saying he looked way better. I think both of them looked like they got something. And Drew, I think he put the ball, a lot of the passes he threw, they was dropping some of them too. So I think he could have got a little bit more yards with some of his passes where he was putting them in good ball placement where dudes was kind of dropping passes. So both of them, both of them definitely, they definitely look good. Like they got some potential. Yeah, I understand that But, like, I'm not even going to get to see it by fire, like, because we're afraid or we don't want to give them that chance to figure it out when it happens.

46:38Like, because my thing is this. This is the thing, Debo. This is short.

46:42James Harrison:What's the thing? This is the thing. If Aaron Rodgers, let's say worst case, if Aaron Rodgers were to get hurt, right, Mason Rudolph comes into the game. His leash isn't the longest. So it's like we're not just like, no, this is your job to lose. This is basically like, okay, we're going to get you out there because you're the vet. We know you've been in the system. This is your opportunity to show that you can actually do something. If he doesn't perform and goes out there and throws two picks, he's getting snatched. And then now instantly we can see what's good with the young dudes. Mason Rudolph is not like, oh, no, you're the guy.

47:14James Harrison:We're giving you the keys. No, no, no, no, no. Because we know that you're a vet, you know what I'm saying? You've earned the right to, now you've been in here. You've shown that you know my system. You know what's going on. as Mike McCarthy, boom, let me see what you got. If you go out here and you're not executing at all, like you're not executing, we're going to pull you because then we know we got these young dudes that are waiting in the holster that are showing me they got some skills. They're like, you guys are all around the same way. You get the nod because you're a vet. That's the only reason.

47:43James Harrison:It's not because like I just, the young dudes are playing better than you. You get the nod just because you're a vet. Okay, let's see what you can do. And then if you're playing any type of bad, Me and Deebo look like, whoa, whoa. Get this man out of there, Mason. Like, you had your shot. Okay, we believe in you. It's quick. It's not like, no, you get two games. You get one game. You get a game. As soon as you get in there, listen. Nah, you ain't going to pull him that fast. You ain't keeping him just to pull him. I'm telling you this. You want to go out there, and if he's not playing well, you get a game or two.

48:14James Harrison:I'm not saying, like, we're not giving him. You get three games. A game, you have to start playing well. So two for show. Two for show, obviously. If he gets hurt, you're going to finish the game out. Next game, let's go. Let's ball out. Okay. So let's roll with that scenario. Let's say that happens, okay? And they sit him down and they put in one of the other guys, okay? Now, do he go to three or do they release him totally? Because you just said that he's not going to do it. You're using up a roster spot. You done used up a roster spot that whole time to figure out something that we didn't even, like, At that point, if that happens, now it came to fruition that it was a waste of a roster spot.

48:55Because looking at it, there's no way I see us having a chance of doing anything that we think we're able to do by catching lightning in a bottle with Mason Rudolph. And I'm not going to say we have a chance of doing that with Howard or Aller either. Because when it comes down to it, we don't know what they can do. Yes. But at least I can find out what they can do in that process.

49:19James Harrison:I hear you. I hear you. But you always know when you're playing with the last, the sixth defensive lineman, the sixth wide receiver, being able to try to sign them to practice squad, being able to release them and how they always switch. And you got one person, you got people coming in and out. That little, that last people on the roster. Hate to say it, but you know how the league does it when they flew? They just flew my man out there, signed them, and then released them. Like, the league is savage in the way that they do that, the people at the bottom of the roster. And you know that, Debo.

49:50James Harrison:Like, I know the way that they be moving. It's not right, but they want to keep four quarterbacks. They got somebody that's trying to teeter on the bottom that they're going to release and try to sign a practice squad to be able to move that position. And on top of that, bro, we kept all 10 draft picks, bro. All 10 draft picks. like I don't know like what the percentage is of keeping all 10 like how many I don't even know how many teams have kept all 10 in their draft choices like especially in the first year of you being I don't know bro like you telling me it ain't I mean I understand the list but like I I don't I don't understand this bro I am I am lost I am I am so lost on that move that it just it It totally 100 % baffled me of why you bring him in.

50:48Talk the talk you talk. And then you release him. Like, how you release E and talk all that talk. Then we got four quarterbacks on the list. That's definitely one of the spots. And you keep every single draft pick.

51:10I don't know, man. I feel like they're gonna hopefully I feel like I feel like it's some smoke in the city right now but I don't think it's bad man I ain't saying it's bad but I'm just questioning like the biggest thing I'm questioning is keeping four and releasing Elandon Roberts like how do you release him when that is your like that's what our issue was getting ran on last year right for sure here's the thing bro even if you say oh the D line is doing well how many guys do we really have that can hold a true double for an extended period of time. Like, you got to be able to hold that double.

51:45And when it comes down to it, if I want to, if me, if I'm on the other side of the ball, I'm sorry to say this, bro, but I'm running that P-Dub. I'm doubling up to him so that I can't, so I ain't got to worry about him shooting the gap and doing all this. I'm going to double up to him and rub off. And I'm going to try and get, you know, three, four yards in a cloud of dust every play. No, I hate. That's just.

52:04James Harrison:I know what you're saying. He definitely is coming downhill. so when we watching the games and if you not seeing our backers going downhill you gonna be like you can go downhill too but remember you gotta shed when I'm saying downhill obviously if somebody gets up on you you gotta get them up off you

52:28you know when you do that bro you gotta come downhill bang bang get off it's not no bang fight with him as he pushing two three yards and now you make the tackle but hell, he done got four or five yards now.

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