Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Aaron Rodgers at OTAs + Deshaun Watson leading Shedeur Sanders in Browns QB Battle?

24:38James Harrison:I'm not seeing where you're going to be able to double team because if you do, there's too many options where A-Rod can be able to get the ball out. And then with the run game, we're going to have to, we don't have to all start out coming out wide. This is all established by the run. We got to still be able to hold the line, and be able to make sure that these are short, short third downs, short second downs. We're not coming out second and nine, second and ten every time where we're very predictable. So with all of that being said, it's still offensive line, running backs, receivers, everybody working together in one.

25:11James Harrison:It's going to be a team. It's going to be team victories. You know what I'm saying? Everybody got to work together. Yeah, and like I said, Aaron, like you said, rather, with Aaron being there early, you're building that now, where before we didn't have a chance to build that because it was so late. that he came in it was it wasn't built and they're said that uh rogers could be seen correcting players uh like second year running back uh caleb johnson right after plays and throwing passes around the field to several targets like metcalf pitman bernard roman wilson pat fryer moved and darnell washington now right now so like this is what they're saying though it's a great thing you You know, Aaron is back.

25:52He's correcting players. You know, it's this, that, and the third. You know, the reports are, oh, he's correcting players. And so everyone, you know, can get on the same page, and this is what we need to do, and it's great. And I want everybody to listen to this correction because later in the season, if things aren't going well, it's a couple bad plays, and he's correcting somebody, which I'll say is he's just yelling at guys. He's doing this. He's doing that. No, no, no, no. He's not yelling. He's correcting guys. Yeah. So you're trying to get on the same. To all you reporters that's talking right now, I want you all to keep whatever energy it is you got right now, starting with right now, keep that same energy in the finish.

26:34Okay? So if you hating right now, keep hating. Hate all the way through. Don't switch up. Don't switch up. Like, uh-uh. Don't do that when they kill your narrative. Yep. Don't do that. That's all I'm asking.

26:48James Harrison:The thing I'm liking to is it's going to be about ball. So when we're out there and our offense is out there playing, if Aaron Rodgers isn't putting the ball where it needs to be, if he's not throwing the passes that need to be thrown, we're going to keep everybody accountable for what they're doing. If DK is wide open and you're dropping passes, we're going to call out a spade a spade. If you're catching passes, if you're doing what you got to do, that's what I love about football, Debo. It's X's and O's. We're not just going to be calling people out for no reason. We're going to be watching, looking, seeing what's going on.

27:19James Harrison:And that's how I think, too, when our defense knows about what they need to improve on. They know when we're saying things, we're not picking on people. We don't want to be up here talking bad about you guys. But if we're looking and we're seeing people running free and things are running open, you guys know that. That's a what? Is that communication? Something's going on because that should not be happening out there. So I think them acknowledging what's going on, too, they know what they got to do. So the games have to be played. The players that we got, Sean Dean, we re-signed Asante Samuel Jr., Joey Porter Jr., you know what I'm saying?

27:53James Harrison:Jalen, we got the safety from Chicago. Secondary looking sweet. Now, right now, they're working on getting communication together. So if everybody, body on the body, man on the man, if he makes a play on you, that's somebody making a play on you. All right, we need to, like, get the ball out, line up next play. People running scot-free, there's no excuse. You know what I'm saying? And so the no excuse plays, eliminate those. And then we'll talk about, we can work on the ones where, man, you were right there in position. They're getting paid the big bucks, too. That was a good pass. You know what I'm saying?

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32:40Jones was in uniform for the first practice of LTAs this season just months after undergoing the surgery to repair his neck prematurely from the 2025 season. Wow. He was in formation with the rest of the Steelers during the warm-ups and at the start of practice, he did not participate in the team portion of practice and was open. that he didn't participate in the team for the practice that was open to the media anyway um this right here is i mean i don't think there's something that's surprising us it's just you know it's part of what we thought was going to happen when you look at it they ended up moving uh troy what's his name fontuna font yeah they ended up moving him to the left tackle from the right tackle so that was uh just yeah just yesterday at the you know first OTA practice while he you know Troy said that the move wasn't uh necessarily permanent you know he said being how did he say it

33:48he said being ready for whatever happens obviously when broad he's talking about Roderick and the whole situation. I don't know what's going to happen, but like I said, if they ask me to play left, I'm going to play left. I think what we saw on Monday, anybody that actually paid any attention to what was going on at the OTAs with basically the whole right side moving to the left you had um mccormick he he went from the uh the guard on the the right to the left you had uh troy he went from the the right to the left and right now that's that's gonna be our best position for the guys that we currently have on our roster you look at it it was uh anderson he's now i believe at the right guard um and that's going to be the best position for him considering his abilities and the guys that we have there that we feel like can flip and still be more effective over there than the you know the opposite player could be on the right side look at it anderson is a dude that you know he's better when he's in a phone booth you know confined space so you put him at the guard it's a lot easier to change from the guard and then you go ahead and you put cook you put him at the right tackle six six six seven something like that so he got a plan to reach you know he can he you know he can move but the the issue with him is sometimes his anchor could be light so you know that's that's that's not good and issues with you know consistency but that's why i would rather put him as far as what i have right now right tackle because it at least gives my quarterback an opportunity to see right to see what's coming Okay.

35:39You know what I'm saying? So if he can see what's coming now, he can potentially get out of the way of what's going on. And until we find out what, you know, our first rounder is going to, you know, look like through the OTAs, minicamp, and basically training camp, and we get the pads on. And, you know, when it really counts and see, you know, how he's going to do. And with, what is it? You got TJ, you got Highsmith, you got Herbic. We using them. That's his practice. So you're going to get a real good assessment of what it is that he can do and can't do. So that's, you know, the Project Jones situation is something that I'm hoping he does the right thing as far as his health, to be honest with you.

36:27I mean, you didn't get your option, but when it comes down to it, man, it's about your health and the longevity of your career. unless you're healthy and able to you know do what's necessary it's going to be hard to get to get another spot so to get another you know position and you're going to have to at least prove that you're you're 100 healthy to be able to do it and if that's not this year or that's late late in the year or whatever that may be and you are fully you know i art then you have to come back the next year and probably do a prove it deal yeah facts like you said health

37:01James Harrison:is the main thing with him. I was kind of, he's trying to go through the process. You know what I'm saying? Trying to be out there as much as you can, but the schedule is the schedule. When you can get out there and start hitting, we won't know until it happens. So I hope he gets clear. I know he's doing all the proper steps, all the proper protocol, but with the line. What you think about the rook, Max? You think he going to be, you think if he proves himself, obviously, the sooner the better? That's the rookie I'm talking about. That's in Honcho. Okay, yes. Okay. Max and Hanusho, yeah. That's the first round.

37:33Yes. That's who I'm talking about. Like, and Hanusho. And Hanusho. Yeah, E-Hanusho. E-Hanusho, that's it. E-Hanusho. Max E-Hanusho. That's the one I'm talking about. That's our first round pick I was talking about. Like, until we see what it is that he can do. And I don't think we'll see that. I think they got him running with the threes right now. God, to be more careful. No, it's just, you know, you know the development of it. For sure, for sure, development. We knew going into that. I mean, so with what, you know, what we have in place until we actually get to see him in, you know, full pass going against guys that are— So right now going into the season, Debo, who's our left tackle?

38:11James Harrison:I think our left tackle right now— Who think our left tackle right now? Troy. Troy. Okay. Right tackle.

38:21What's his name? Oh, my God. Cook. Cook. Okay. Yeah. That's our right and left tackle. Our guards inside, center where you at. That's it. What you saying? That's why you do it now. So they can get used to it. You know? And, I mean, with all just how everything's lined up, this is what it's looking like. It's not looking like we're going to have Broderick back. No, definitely not. So, especially with no timeline given and all that, like you can't sit there and wait and hope. You got to play as if we won't have him. And this is what I'm looking at. And like I said, until we see what Max Ihana Shore can do, the process of OTAs, and it won't be until after training camp, I believe, if he goes out there and he does his thing and he balls and he does good in the preseason games, that he could step up and potentially get one of those tackle positions.

39:17James Harrison:For sure. Because right now, like you said, Debo, it's all underwear Olympics. You got to learn the playbook, do all that stuff. You start putting them pads on, training camp, the one-on-ones. That's when you're really blocking them dudes, that interior stuff, when you're really putting the pads on, really putting the body on the body, like making plays really happen. So I feel you. No need to start them nowhere near the second or first team, getting them in the third, learn the playbook because we got time. OTAs, don't make no MAs. The least amount of MAs, the quicker you're going to be able to slide up.

39:50James Harrison:You can't – you're running the same plays. So if you were in the same place good and doing your assignment, boop, second team. Okay, now you put some pads on. You blocking good versus who you're going against. Now you're going to level up. Yeah, yeah. Alex Highsmith, man, he pinpoints two things that the Steelers, that can help the Steelers take a leap. And the top things, the top thing really they're talking about is communication and detail. like so he's saying that you see times when you aren't as when you aren't a good defense last year is when we're communicating when we aren't communicating the way we should so like it goes back to what we were saying last year man that like like we talked about it like every time that we were in there anytime we talked at the game like dude like you have to communicate like and the communication starts with the coaches you have to be coached as a defense to play the unit as one everybody on that defense no matter what your position is you have to know what you're doing and you have to be on the same page so that's starting with alignment your assignment and then the technique that you're going to use to get the job done.

41:17We know that technique wasn't being teached properly because too many guys were doing the wrong thing all the time. Like, we know that. And we sat in the box and heard some technique stuff that was being taught from someone, but we won't say. And we know that things were not being taught in the proper manner. Now, you add that along with every position, not getting the same information for the same defense, being told something a little different on a defense where it should be exactly the same. Like we're not we're not getting like he said, the communication is not there. So if you have the communication, you have the technique, you have the alignment, you have the assignment, you take the guesswork out of it.

42:04So once the play starts, each person knows what's going on and then you do your job. And in the course of doing your job, if you have no threat in your area or what your job is now through the process of knowing the defense, you're able to be like, you know what? I can move this way or that way to help my teammate to better help him be able to cover the area that he has. And in doing so, you make the defense better, you help him make his job easier, and you don't sit there and cover dead space where nothing is at.

42:39James Harrison:Yes. The communication and talking is not fake talking. There's not just chatter. You're not just talking out there to be talking. When we're saying you're speaking the same language, we're always in, when you know your defense, you're anticipating what's going to happen. you're altering if this person moves if there's a person that looks like they can go in motion if this person moves this is what we're going to not soon as this person moves not everybody's looking around frantic worrying about what's going on there has to be a flow of everybody knows what's going on there's a comfortability i'm looking at minka minka's looking at me if he moves we're going to this linebackers know if they go to this we're moving zone it you're alerting checks to the people that are supposed to know what's going on so the words that are flying out is like music to everybody's ears because you're just alerting what's going to happen.

43:31James Harrison:Everybody's prepared for things and everybody is ready and aligned and assigned. And so when you say alignment, assignment, technique, it sounds so basic, like basic football. But when everybody knows they're 1-11th and everybody is flowing at the same accord, everybody knows. When we talk about when Big Ham came on and I was so sorry to miss it, but like he did his 1-11th. He knew that his job sometimes was not for him to make the play. So stats don't speak on it. Everybody trying to go make a tackle. That's not your play. That's how your defense gets messed up. One single player being selfish on a play could bust the whole defense up and have a hole on a run that's 12 yards and make everybody look crazy.

44:12James Harrison:There's one person that's being selfish. That's not your play. You hold that gap. You're trying to go backside. You know what I'm saying? And so the communication, the alignment, the assignment, the technique, the discipline, when you got to know that you have to understand that you can't first do your job. You have one job to do out there. And that's hold this gap. If they come in that gap, the play should not be made. The next person, he has one job. He's on the outside leverage. The ball is not coming out there. If it comes this way, I'm going to make this play. So just having everybody understanding what they're doing, understanding that this person motions.

44:45James Harrison:Now I'm working with this man. We're doing in and out. We're doing in and out. We got a check going on, not people just looking around crazy. That's why when you say it took a while for young players to get in to Dick LeBeau's defense, because you're not talking the same language as the vets that are out here. They know exactly where they're supposed to be. Get him out of here. Get him out of here, because you're not going to make me look bad. You're going to make him look bad. It's 10 dudes out here flowing, and one dude looking around doesn't know the check, isn't alert for the motion. He just knows, okay, we got fire zone.

45:15James Harrison:Okay, I'm looking around. He's panicking just about his assignment. No, you got to know what your man's doing because we're working together. We're working together now. Now you, oh, no, no, no, I want to lock. No, you can't lock. You can't go man. You have to work this together because this works in the defense. Now we're locking you. Now we don't. Amazon Health AI presents Painful Thoughts. I can't stop scratching my downtown. Yeah, but I'm not itching to go downtown and tell a receptionist I'm here to talk about my downtown. Some things you'd rather type than say out loud. There's no question too embarrassing for Amazon Health AI.

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49:21James Harrison:bust up the whole defense and now we're gonna let you lock because you didn't know no no no we need to get you out i mean to get somebody else in that knows the flow so he's going to be in position there's never going to be somebody running wide open he's going to get beat because that person just beat him on that play he wasn't he was better than him he outplayed him it's like okay bet got him on the ground we like this i can live with that any day not not somebody's looking around crazy and now me and you are standing on the tight end and the running back is running free and now I'm looking like this.

49:50James Harrison:You got me out here with you and you didn't know what we were supposed to do. We said in and out and you don't know what in and out is. Coach, get him out of here. You got me looking crazy. Everybody looking crazy. Ten people know where they're supposed to be and this dude me and him standing next to each other. They're like, Joe, what happened? The dummy didn't know in and out. Your hands up like this right here like what? He looking like what? I don't know. What did you mean? You had a bunch of that going on last year. Like what am I talking about? So that's what I love when he's saying the communication understanding what's going on.

50:20James Harrison:Do your job first because if it's on the tape, if it's going through this gap, then that's you. If it's going through, if you're trying to reach through, no, I was trying to lean back and get that play. It's not your play. Not your play to get. Not your play to get, coach. Not your play. Get in your gap. Get in your gap. Do your job. Do your job. Do your job first. Then help your partner. Please. That's it. That's it, man. I want to go over here to Cleveland, though, man. Hey, go to the land. What we got going on? Browns Deshaun Watson versus Shador Sanders timeline gets clearer. OTA started on Tuesday, and we come in, and we'll come in on three-day chunks over the next three weeks.

51:00The final OTA is four days, and that's where the battle will be won. They said the Browns' first mandatory minicamp is scheduled for June 9th through 11th, And we can expect Munkin to have his pick by then, at least his training camp pick, he's saying. This is, what's his name? ESPN's, I believe, Tony Grossi said, he said, I think it is still a little bit early. I think by the time we get into minicamp in June, we'll have a good idea of who's one, two, three, and four are, or at least heading into training camp. I wouldn't expect that on Tuesday or Wednesday, but it's coming. It's coming. They've been out there working, and he said he wants to have an idea of who his number one is by training camp.

52:01And I'm sure he will abide by that end of comment. That is what Tony Grossi said. Also, it looks like your boy, Jeremy Fowler, Fowler reports Deshaun Watson has hit it off with Todd Munkin ahead of the Browns OTA. um perhaps more notable is a follower's report that munkin's office of concept are things watson has run in the past and has has has been his best at so your boy over there father he said i'm told quote i'm told he hit it off with todd munkin who's got an offensive concept, some elements that Watson has run in the past, and been at his best at, end quote. Joe, it's looking like Watson may already be slated in Monken's mind as the starter, and then you add that along with old Albert Breer, what's his name?

53:21Yeah. Breer, you add that with him, where he said, quote i think shador sanders will be better off let me get this right if his father dion he said dion leaves well enough alone and allow his son to set up his own path with a new coaching staff he's saying that on the things end quote he's he's saying that in comparison and response to Deon saying, you know, talk to him, call him, you know, let him explain how his son works, all that other stuff. So what I'm trying to figure out is why everybody know who, everybody know who you should do what that is, Deon. But you said Deon, he said it like that.

54:10Like, you know, these insiders, sometimes they know something and sometimes they don't know something, but they got, you know, they usually have some type of information with front office people and on how to, you know, the people upstairs may feel about certain things or who knows. I don't know. But my thing is this. Usually they have some type of information from upstairs and whether it's on the record or off the record, they use that to build their opinion on what they feel like should be done or shouldn't be done and how people should work or respond. Like, I don't know. What do you think this recent report or development is going to mean for your Browns, Joe?

54:53James Harrison:Everybody's always going to make noise about our quarterback situation. Okay? Everybody is. I don't want anything bad with Deshaun Watson. I don't. I hope Deshaun Watson comes out, balls out, and goes out and wins us games, wins us the—hopefully he can even go out there, ball out, win the Super Bowl. That'd be great. That'd be great, Deshaun. Right now, because I don't ever want to come off like I'm trying to root against him. There's$46 million that he's owed and he's going to get paid this year. He hasn't done anything wrong. He's been rehabbing, staying out of the way, trying to do everything that he can.

55:36James Harrison:Todd Munkin, new coach, comes in. We got Shador. We got, you got Deshaun Watson. He's making$46 million a year. You've seen him be a player that signed for$232 million. He's doing all the right things. He's in the facility. He's staying out of the way. In practice, he's listening to coach. He's been in this system before. He's thrived in this system before. So obviously, if you have him on your team and you're the new coach, you want him to be successful. during all of this time they're not saying anything bad about Shador but if you're the if you're a Shador fan and you want him to be in and you thinking it's time to move on from Deshaun Watson then you're in the mindset put your man back in I can understand now where it's you you don't want to have to knock Deshaun to try to bump Shador I don't want to have to bump Shador to try to pump the other person so it's difficult so when you see coach putting up good things about somebody else, everybody that's a Shador fan is instantly going to think, that's hate on Shador.

56:37James Harrison:No, when you're listening to it, I want Deshaun Watson to do well. If he's doing well, he's proceeding in this system, okay, let's go. Hopefully it does well. But right now, same time, Debo, this is all in shorts. We don't have any pads on. There hasn't been any preseason games. Last time I saw Deshaun Watson, he was moving a little bit slower. His athletic ability looks a little slower to me. So with not pads on, everybody in practice can look a little bit better than when you are in the real game. When them live bullets start flying, that's when real things start happening. So I'm not knocking.

57:10James Harrison:I'm just saying I want the best, but we got to see it still. So in all hopes of he's looking good right now, he's doing all of the right things, a thousand percent. Let's go, Deshaun. Still Shador, still there, doing the same things too. All I've heard is he's trying to be in the meeting rooms. He's in there early. He's thriving. He hasn't been doing anything wrong the reps you can't decide you got a new coach that guy's a 46 quarterback making 46 million and he has you on the rookie deal he can split the reps you know i'm saying he wants to see what's going on he came in with that deal so he might have a leg up in that fashion the owners they might want to see what we got with the last one we still got to do it for the next for two more years at least under contract so i don't ever want to i'm not trying to knock them but that's kind of the way that I see it.

57:53James Harrison:And when people are always trying to, the media that doesn't like Shador, to make him even matter or make his family matter, they just start talking up Deshaun Watson. And that doesn't mean that they're talking bad about Shador, but if you really like, if you really love Shador, you hear people talking like, oh, Deshaun looking so good. They're like, man, man, but y 'all, why y 'all not saying nothing about him? I'm like, because they're not talking about him right now. They're talking about Deshaun. They're talking about his process, what he got going on. But since he's been the last starting quarterback, They're like, oh, y 'all just stealing my man's spot, giving it to good old Deshaun.

58:26James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? Like, he didn't – how did he steal it from him? It's OTAs. Like, y 'all don't have no pads on. Y 'all aren't even going against defenses. How much better is his arm really looking? They're throwing routes on air. I hear you. Like, is it – you just get your spot rough like that? So, I'm like, I never want to come on and knock because I'm like, Deshaun, I want you to look good. I know you're studying. You're doing your thing. They didn't even bring up Shador in the conversation there. But the Shador fans that want him to start and want him to play will instantly be like, that's crazy.

58:56James Harrison:Hold on. What about Shador? What does he do? I'm like, no, no, no. Don't feel bad. They're bringing up the other guy, Deshaun Watson. You have two quarterbacks. If we feel like Shador is better, I do think that the long run is going to be him. But I can still see in the same way, in the fashion I do want Deshaun to succeed. I'm not trying to knock another man because I want Shador to succeed. I hope all is well for you. If you do end up getting that starting job because you had that 236, let's go ball out. Like, don't want you to be bad. But if it does fail, Shador, look, now you got the reins.

59:30James Harrison:Now you got the same team. You got the Concepcion. You got the line. You got the players. So Watson's going to get this best shot with the team, with the offense, with the players around him to perform. And at the same time, Shador is getting that love from Todd Munkin. Todd Munkin hasn't spoken down on Shador. He's always said, man, I wanted to draft you back in the day. Whoop just praising him about just being in the building, how he's been working. So I'm still open-minded. They still haven't put on shoulder pads and helmet. You know what I'm saying? So there's still time to go. Both of them, I think, are going to get the opportunity, obviously, to play.

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