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26:24I guess according to, I guess, ESPN, AP report, someone took multiple signs and put them on the Jim Brown statue outside the Brown Stadium in protest of the organization's decision to start Deshaun Watson. We got some photos right here. Go ahead and put them up. So I guess one of the signs that was attached to Jim Brown's statue said 280 million, 27 plus victims, zero supporters. Another sign called for Watson's presence on the team, called Watson's presence on the team, a permanent damage to the city and franchise.

27:16I know it's not anything right now that I think that he could really do. I thought it was$230 million.

27:31Well, it initially ended up being 24 women that ended up following the civil lawsuit. He denied all the stuff. they had actual two grand juries that declined to indicting he was never criminally charged but the nfl did find that he violated the personal conduct code under their definition the nfl used a different interpretation and basically what it came down to is all they needed to do was establish that it was more likely than not that this stuff had happened and chuck you and i know where is that much smoke it got to be a little bit of fire okay and i know he wasn't criminally charged because when you do the criminal charge it's beyond a reasonable doubt so obviously there was doubt that's why he wasn't charged with it but that doesn't matter but what i want to go to is you put this on jim brown's statue the man who is the greatest running back and player for the Cleveland Browns y 'all have ever had.

28:36One of the best running backs to ever do it in the NFL. He led the league in rushing eight times. He only played nine seasons. He had 12 ,312 yards rushing, 106 touchdowns, three-time NFL MVP, and helped Cleveland win a championship, an NFL championship in 1964. That's just his football accomplishments, okay? And he is one of the first black superstar athletes, dude, to use his status for the Civil Rights Movement, okay? You can look it up and see all the things that he did and everything he was involved in. Now, we're talking about the 60s. He played from 1957 to 65 when this country had legal segregation, dude.

29:34Like, and I mean, you had actual presidents, dude, that ran a platform on segregation. He put his life at actual risk to try and better this country. Like, this is the same man that helped broker a peace deal with the Crips and Bloods. Like, what was that? The 1992 Watts gang truce in L.A.? designed to reduce gang violence. Like, his status is more than football.

30:08And, like, dude, for you to actually go and just throw that on there, like, I hate Browns. I wouldn't say hate. I dislike Browns players. But Jim Brown is something different. You could have put that sign anywhere, man. Like, you had a whole backdrop over there you could have put that sign zone. Like, it just don't make no sense to me, man. How do you feel about this, man? It's tough. Everything that you just mentioned, it just tells me that maybe there was a younger generation that wasn't as familiar with everything that you just talked about as it relates to what Jim Brown's bio is. But, you know, he's in that stadium for a reason.

30:47He is the icon of that organization. Maybe they're putting it on there to maybe put visibility there because they know people now will gravitate to that statue and it's going to get more eyes on their sign. That's the only thing that I could potentially say with that. I know the Browns fans are frustrated because they haven't had much production over the last four years with Deshaun Watson. But again, there's always due diligence that come with the organization. They were fine with everything that happened because they guaranteed his deal. And anytime that that happens, and we know the security – uh teams that all of these organizations have they start doing background checks from the time that you are in elementary school all the way through so they have that information so the browns are comfortable with that so yeah you'll still have some people that are frustrated with it with those signs i just think it was wrong to put it on that particular statue because you should not include jim in the same manager talking about the sean yeah um i'm pretty sure i'm not gonna even put this on the Cleveland fan base.

31:48I'm gonna put this on somebody that just didn't have a whole full comprehension or understanding because there's no way that you would do that with the knowledge that I have, you have, that a lot of people in my generation have. So I'm gonna have to agree with you that it gotta be somebody that didn't fully think this out because if you fully thought this out and that was your option, you are uncouth. like just go out there man take the stuff down and put them somewhere else today just do it just do it today you can throw them on all the stop signs around cleveland if you want to that still ain't gonna change the decision that they done made about starting watson and and you can't take back the money that you already got like i understand you upset but try try try a different way man you could protest but don't do it on jim please absolutely and i think that's where you know you get people get upset because they think the decision was coach munkins the head coach there about his selection of the quarterback.

32:48It's not his selection. Todd Munkin, who I've known over 30 years, and I don't even know if you know this story, Debo. Todd Munkin was my receivers coach at Eastern Michigan back in 1995, 96. That's how far me and him go back with Munkin up there before he went on in the coaching tree in the manner that he is now. So I know how he's wired. He knows offense. He knows ball. The challenge is he could have felt that maybe Dylan, maybe Shador were better quarterbacks, better prospects for long-term future as it relates to who the quarterback is going to be after this season. Unfortunately, when you have these conversations that are happening, Coach Munkin has to now absorb all of that energy that's happening from the fans because the decision is above him.

33:35The owner is telling him who's starting. There's no way in heck. you're what he's doing 45 46 million dollars that he's paid this you're guaranteed again the owner's not gonna have i don't know charlie we talked listen me and joe talked to the gm andrew barry of cleveland browns and he said the money of what he's getting paid is not going to affect and will not affect their decision of who is going to be the starting quarterback no and that's fine but again he is now taking that responsibility because he has a general manager role there's no general manager that's going to stand up on a podium that's going to say, you want to know what my owner told me that I have to start him?

34:15It's like, no, they're going to say it's my decision. But when you look at what's happening, because if it wasn't about money, Deshaun would have been gone, but you can't cut him. This is true. You can't cut him because that means now you're 125 million and did cap space. So that argument doesn't hold water if money was not a factor. So that's all I'm going to say on that particular case because, again, at this time of year, general managers, coaches lie because nobody is going to put them, throw their owner under the bus. It's just not going to happen. Okay, I'm going to go ahead and slide up off that, baby.

34:52Look here, man, the NFL, they ditched the Pro Bowl. The league is doing away with the annual All-Star Game beginning this season, instead opting to name a 88-player class to the Pro Bowl with no replacement selections and honor them with a celebration. The NFL revealed the change Wednesday in a press release, noting that Pro Bowlers would be invited to an in-person celebration in Los Angeles the weekend when the Pro Bowl games would be traditionally held. Bruh, I'm going to tell you this. like i'm i guess i'm cool with it i'm more than cool with it like like when you go you like when i first went to the pro bowl so i'll give you that story so personally for me you know they should have did away with this thing a long time ago the first time i went there because when I first went there in 2000, it was 2007.

35:57So it would be 2008 season. It wasn't even a real game then. Like, you know, when I made my first Pro Bowl that year, you know, I was like, okay, they had the player competitions and all that stuff, you know, where you go in there and you do like the 225 rep stuff and all that stuff. Right. So I'm getting ready and, you know, I'm like, yeah, I'm going there and do the, you know, 225 rep test that I'm trying to, I'm trying to, kill i think it was like 43 or something that i think it was um somebody did some lineman did like the year before i was training for that right that's what i that's what i'm doing cb like i'm bruh they's like yeah we stopped that i'm like all right cool so i get up there and you know this is my first pro bowl so i'm excited you know i'm ready i'm ready to go and dude it was a real life like um eye-opened experience like and not in a good way like like practice so practice we get there we practicing and the first you know we're doing a little warm-up and all that you know you ain't going that fast in warm-up whatever so we get into the practice thing and i'm moving like i'm regular practice you know i'm saying they're like whoa like whoa baby slow down i'm like what you mean slow down like no We ain't going.

37:16We don't do that, man. We ain't going that fast. What you doing? I'm like, all right, cool. Whatever. They don't do this in practice, right? So, cool. Whatever. So, we get there. We get to the game, right? So, I'm starting. It's kickoff, right? So, I'm on kickoff, and I'm flying down there like it's a regular game, man. I run down there, man, and I think it was Jason Winton, man. And I just, blah, blah, I'm throwing, trying to get to the tackle, right? And I come back into the huddle, right? And, boy, no, we ended up getting back to the sideline after we did our series. And the boy Ray said, man.

37:58Ray and Ed said, what did Jason Witten do to you, man? I said, he ain't do nothing. He said, well, why you do that? I said, man, I'm playing ball. No, man. No, we don't go hard like that. I'm like, okay. Hey, so I'm out of line all the way around. You know what I'm saying? They should have did away with that then, in my opinion, because by the time I made my second or third Pro Bowl, dude, I'm like, I don't even really want to be here. Just have us do something else because this ain't even a real game. You know what I'm saying? What do you think? No, I'm with you on it. And this is something that's been in the works for a long time.

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40:35Everyone has a good time and no one gets mad at their publicist for letting them do our show. We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman. Not that great. Actually, can you help me shape this? How about we flip it on his head? How about we flip the script? What if the surprise woman, who actually you think is the straight man, is actually the one who's acting weird? Adam Scott. This entire time, you've been expecting Adam Sandler to come to visit the show. I would never expect. Let go of that. I have. I would never set expectations for something like that to happen. If the universe allows for something like that to happen, I'm open to it.

41:17I'm always going to accept. You know, Danny McBride, fine. Yeah. It's all this fragile masculinity exuding. I could smell it walking down the hallway, to be honest with you. I was like, is that weed? Nope. It's fragile masculinity. Ben Stiller, no. Because a lot of times, out of context, people don't get it or even know what a circle is. You know what I mean? Like, oh, what's a state? Everyone's so dumb except for you. And fake. Right, fake and also not interested or just like, oh, I've got my life. I don't care about your life. And a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us.

41:54Oh, and by the way, Will Ferrell told us personally he loves the show and he wants to be a guest on every episode, but he's just so busy. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Munga Shatikula and I'm back with a new season of the podcast Skyline Drive. This time I'm diving into a rabbit hole of peptides, organoids, blood boys, blue zones, and brain replacement to try to understand what this longevity obsession is all about. and what it really means to live forever for all of us. I learned about some rad science. I can make a brain for you, and then we can test what draw is the best for your brain, as opposed to his brain.

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43:07Our town is small taters by most standards, right? But to the people who grew up here, it's everything. What happens when a quiet Tennessee town becomes the front line in a battle over the future of America? developers with right-wing ties have purchased hundreds of acres of land in the area the first thing you see when it pops up is pioneers in appalachia but they weren't just planting houses we need cities on a shining hill that exemplify and embody the christian way of life stop right there is that normal a podcast about what happens when a small town becomes the site of a social experiment.

43:44God need men to rule. Great. And decides to fight back. Do not use my hard work to sell your bull. They're not just opposing what's being planned for here. Our hometown is not a test tube. They feel like they're standing in opposition to an entire administration. Guess you didn't move in on a bunch of dumb hillbillies now, did you? Listen to Our Town on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. and when that happened i said oh we you could just see everybody else like shot you just very similar conversations that were going on in the sideline and then it wasn't until a couple years later we were all out there and that was the game where when the game started and they hiked the football it was almost like a glorified walkthrough and they didn't take everybody down to the ground and immediately after that season we were in competition committee meetings.

44:40And this is when I was on the executive committee for the NFLPA. So we're sitting in the competition committee and Troy Vincent walks in and he says, Hey man, what is this? And he shows the first two plays and he's like, well, you know what? That's it. You know, we got to, we got to figure out a way to resolve this and keep this game relevant. If not, we're going to have to make those changes. And that was almost 20 years ago. But when we got to 2010, during those CBA agreements, the Pro Bowl conversations came up. And it was one of those things, how can you kind of keep that? But the argument from the PA side was players don't want to play in this game because if they're up for a contract and get injured, now they miss out.

45:21And that's why you started seeing the structure of the game slow down to the point of what you're seeing it now into flag. They tried to do a lot of different creative things, making it, you know, doesn't matter what conference you're in. You could be on the same team. All of that fun stuff. I get it. But at the end of it, it was about the players that were in contracts that, yes, they wanted to be there and are taking up a space because they want to be a pro bowler. But yet don't want to play in a game. And that's where the conversation started going. And that's why you see it here where went the flag and of course the ratings are down and now it's eliminated.

45:57So I understand it. I get it as players. Yes, you don't want to be in that game. You want the recognition because there are incentives that are tied to your contract. But at the same time, you don't want another game to possibly risk an injury that now may impact your career moving forward. Yeah, and it has no bearing on if you're going to get paid anyway, because you making it is the accolade that you wanted anyway. That's going to help you get more money. So, yeah, I'm with you. I think they should have did away with it a long time ago. Also, they just now NFL teams were informed that players who return to college will not be permitted to return to the NFL during the 2026 season.

46:44So according to Adam Scheffner, a player signed to an NFL contract who is cut, who is who is sequentially cut is a free agent. he may sign with another NFL club the CFL or return to college but the player is considered a free agent and will not be submitted so will not be subjected to a future draft so what they did was they went to not letting them get into the draft and you couldn't come back in that same year So I don't know if you know this, Charlie, but a guy named James Harrison suggested this on, I believe it was, what's the name, August 24th. And then on the 26th, the NFL put into play this right here.

47:39So I'm not saying that they listening or that somebody called me to maybe show appreciation for my thoughts or idea. Maybe they thought my idea was a little too much Because I wanted them totally out of there So you know what I'm saying I said if you leave and you go back to college You can't come back to the NFL period But what the NFL did is they said Hey, you can't come back this year But you can come back next year But you can't re-enter the draft in 2027 you could come and get picked up as maybe a free agent um what do you think of this policy yeah i like it i mean it's one of those things because you your draft year is where you are you of course if you go back you dominate your one year of older than a lot of the players that you're playing with your draft stock can go up which can make you some more money as you enter in the nfl i think that part of it is fair and that did not allow those guys to now be a draft eligible so to speak but But I think when you look at just these players that are returning back to college, it's a small group.

48:56And I think it's that small group of 2022 where the rule was passed that you now get five years for your eligibility. And because this that particular group in 2022 is now fighting for that fifth year back. And that's why I think that happened. And of course, that player was going to make more money in college than he would just on his actual NFL salary. So I understand why he went back. So they're trying to get ahead of this to make sure that these players aren't dipping back and forth off of it. But I think once we get past this wave, I'm hoping that you don't see this again. But this is just something that is never going to change.

49:33Who knows what the next process is going to be? Because every player that is in collegiate level or at least exiting has the right to sue to get eligibility back. So when is this going to end? You did have the conferences that talked about we're not allowing these players to now enter into our leagues. But then there was just a lawsuit that was filed recently in Texas that allowed a player to sue to go back into those conferences because they say that those conferences are not the judge and jury. So, again, this is not this is a never ending battle currently on what we're seeing here. And I think it's just this one year issue.

50:11I don't think it's going to be moving forward. That's just my opinion. OK, I don't know. I think if you allow it now, you set precedent. to where now other people can come back through and say the same thing. Maybe it's because of injury. Maybe it's because of something else. But if you allow it now, then that's going to be an issue into the future. And when you look at it, the Soaresby kid that, you know, he wanted to, he went and fought and did the whole thing and he was coming back and all that. And you know what? They didn't even set a rule in place. They said, you know what? This is what y 'all want to do.

50:47This is what your university is going to do. You're going to allow him back. You're going to have him on a team. Hey, this AD said, hey, we're not playing you guys in any sports, period. So that's that that is what ended up happening there to where they didn't even have to make the rule or worry about it because they said, you know what? If you're going to keep him, we're going to make sure that you can't do anything with any of your athletes. Now you're going to go ahead and sacrifice the whole college athletic program for one person. No, no. Like and like you said, that wasn't something that, oh, the law says you can't do it.

51:26No, you can't make somebody play somebody. Right. I don't give a damn what you do in court. What court you go to. Hey, you got to play him. No, the hell we don't. We got to play him forfeit. whatever it may be we ain't even gonna schedule we don't schedule you ain't got you ain't got nobody to play and because and because that player can't go back to that university if he goes to a smaller university if he's a you know uh you know top recruit in the country and all of a sudden he ends up in a mid-american conference which we both love and he puts up big numbers you know what I mean it's like okay yeah but again are you playing against the competition but again if you're not allowing him to be in there so it's a conversation that will continue to have it's just one of those things to where i think the the nfl is saying we cannot allow those players to now re-enter the draft and better what their draft status looks like and now a team that wasn't on the radar last year now gets the opportunity to draft that particular person when maybe they hadn't evaluated lower in a draft a year prior to yeah and plus like i ain't gonna lie if it's me and you you're telling me oh they allowed this and now is that that's what it's gonna do and i i came out and i ended up get seven and i can go back and and ball out and come around at a one or two yes i'm gone absolutely i'm gone like and like you said again you're getting paid now sit over here or go back for a couple meals to play for one more year in college.

52:59I'm going back to play. When you went back to play, you're going back to play, especially when your salary is almost double what your NFL salary is going to be. So this is just the lay of the land of where we're at. I know a lot of people don't like it. Nobody likes the status of what the NCAA is, but they made their bed. They could have got ahead of this a long time ago. They choose to turn a deaf ear to it. And now this is what we're seeing years later. And it's just unfortunate. And it's turned a lot of people off from college football because, one, you're paying the players, which you should pay the players as well.

53:32But ultimately, all of these transfers and there's no loyalty to schools and you're not getting a player who is a freshman. But man, by the time he gets to his junior year, he's going to be that dude. Like you're not hearing those stories anymore because now when these team players are coming into the league, they haven't been already three teams already. So what does that look like for them coming in? So it just again, this is this generation that we're in, man, and it's not going away anytime soon. Yeah, it's the it's the wild, wild west. I think what they should have did is they should have, you know what, let's go ahead and start behind closed doors and set up a whole program, a whole scheme of rules or however it is that this is what it is.

54:11This is how it's going to be instead of saying, oh, yeah, everybody can get paid and we don't have no rules about what it is that you could do in that process of it. so it you know they set they they set them like you said they set their sales up for this you know

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