Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Browns GM Andrew Berry Joins! Shedeur vs. Deshaun + Myles Garrett Trade

25:26James Harrison:So let's talk about some of these draft picks that we got with Spencer, with Casey Concepcion, and David Boston. How do you think that they've been performing since they came to the Browns? I'm really, really pleased with all three of those guys. Obviously, they're rookies. They have a long way to go. But knock on wood, I think I'll start with Spencer. Transitioning in at left tackle, that's one of the harder positions to work in as a rookie. And I think Spencer kind of had his ups and downs like in spring and early in camp like you would expect. But I think really, honestly, the past two and a half weeks, he's really settled into a nice rhythm.

26:01And we were really pleased, particularly with his play during the preseason game this past Saturday against Chicago. He's really settled into that left tackle role well. He's very athletic. He's physical. And then the other thing is he's a sponge when it comes to learning, work ethic, things of that nature. The two receivers, Casey and Denzel, that's a position where they acclimate a little bit more quickly. And we've been really, really pleased with the return so far. Casey, he's a high-level separator, really good with the ball in his hands. We saw what he could do as a punt returner this past weekend.

26:41He's the queen on the chessboard. You can move them all around and create matchup advantages because he's such a versatile player who has playmaking both before and after the catch. And then Denzel, you know, Denzel, you know, he really has played like he's a, you know, seven or eight year veteran since he's, you know, since he's been here, he's your classic X body type, bigger frame, you know, elite hands and elite in the contested spaces. But the thing that Denzel probably doesn't get enough credit for is, you know, he can really run and he's a good separator, especially for a bigger body. Usually those bigger bodies, they have to make all their plays.

27:17somebody on them you know in traffic yeah exactly where Denzel can can really do both which which really opens up your your playbook down the field so look we're only one pre-sense in game in and a couple weeks of camp so there's there's a long way to go but the early returns have been promising and we're looking to see them grow together sure yeah for sure yeah so I got I got it I got to jump

27:40James Harrison:on the elephant in the room yep y 'all got a little bit of quarterback battle over there public a So a little public battle room over there between Shador and Deshaun. I think a lot of fans or people in general are conspiracy theorists to some degree. And I want to just cut the BS and put it out there and ask you the question because it's easier just coming straight from the horse's mouth. And it's a lot of people I know you heard that said, you know what? They're paying Watson too much money to not start it. OK, and that is that is BS. I know it's going to be based on performance, but I'm going to let them hear straight from the horse's mouth.

28:24James Harrison:How much of the pressure is on you to start the Watson because of what you're paying? Yeah, it's a great question. I know that's a that can be a common narrative in professional sports, but you're 100 percent right. It doesn't matter what they're paid when they're on the field. Like, you know, what we want are our wins and performance and production. Look, there are going to be guys that there are going to be high salary players that get outperformed by lower salary player. There are going to be some that like that really hit the mark. It just I mean, if if teams in general operated with, hey, we've just got to play the money, so to speak.

29:05You know, James Harrison would never have a career. Right. He never touched it. Yeah, you never have a career. And so that's particularly important at the most important position in sports, which is quarterback. So it's a performance-based decision. The contract does not matter. We're pleased with both guys. I think they both had a nice preseason, and they did some good things in the game this weekend. But ultimately, it's performance and production that's going to drive the decision for Coach Mo. There it is, Debo.

29:38James Harrison:Listen, man, I know you know. They don't want to listen to me, bro. They don't want to listen. I don't give a damn about no money. I don't care about no money. From that last game, Coach, how would you say, AB, how would you rate the performances, though, from the quarterbacks? Yeah, I think we saw good things from both guys. Obviously, look, it's preseason. It's preseason, so guys aren't going to be perfect. I'd say with Deshaun, we were really pleased with how we operated the offense. You know, he navigated the pocket well. He was accurate. He was really good with his progressions. And then when we had either miscues or a look that, you know, we weren't necessarily expecting down the field in coverage, he did a really nice job.

30:20You know, he didn't break off like a huge scramble, but he did a good job of turning a play that really should have been a negative into a no gain or a short game with his, you know, with his legs. Obviously, would like to have the fumble on fourth down back and the delay of game penalty. but really, really pleased. He's put in a lot of hard work over the past, you know, really over the last year plus. And I think that really showed. And then Shador, I think we continue to see major growth in Shador's game, both in terms of his processing speed. We know he's got a really natural touch with the deep ball.

30:56We know he's naturally accurate. I think you watch him in terms of how he navigates the pocket. That's greatly improved from his rookie year. And then really, you know, the operation as well, because because, you know, this offense puts a lot on the quarterbacks at the line of scrimmage. I think both of those guys really handled it well. Obviously, don't like to see the turnover. I think Shador said after the game, you know, eyes in the right place. Good decision. Didn't execute. Didn't execute the throw. And that's accurate. Like, you know, guys are going to have bad throws in his case. You know, I think, you know, obviously the inside of the pocket kind of got pushed into his lap a little bit, which probably caused a little bit of a higher trajectory on the throw.

31:36but on the whole, a lot of good to take. And then some good moments where we're going to be able to coach off of them and then really improve as we go into the Buffalo league.

31:45James Harrison:Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I don't think a lot of people understand how hard it is to get you a franchise quarterback in this league. And when I say a franchise quarterback, I'm talking about somebody that's there for, you know, eight years plus, that is the face of your, you know, the face of your, your, your offense, is the face of your, you know, your team. And it's so many quarterbacks out here that aren't first round picks that have had successful, great, long, hell, the goat of all of them is Tom Brady and he was drafted in the six, you know? So I think, you know, that's something that's, you know, that's a GM thing.

32:21James Harrison:That's, that's a, that's a, that's a owner thing. That's, you know, that's something that you guys have to go through. So, you know, in your experience, do you find it, um, easier or better, I would say, to bring in a proven player through a trade or free agency, or would you just target, you know, that one guy in the draft and develop that quarterback? That's a great question. I think you have to be open to both avenues, to be honest. And, you know, quarterback's such a difficult position just because of all that's on the play mentally, physically, how much you grow over the course of your career.

33:04But the other part of it is the environment around the player and the development process, I think, is equally as important as the talent. And I think we've seen that time and time again across the league as guys have kind of risen and fallen over the course of their career. And that's something that, you know, organizationally, you know, we have to be conscious of when we're evaluating these guys. And then ultimately, if, you know, we're selecting a starter, you select a guy in the draft, or you sign or trade for a veteran, being very deliberate in terms of how you structure the environment. because yes, quarterback's the most important position.

33:46It has the biggest driving towards winning, but it's also very, very interdependent on the scheme and what you're asking the player to do, the protection with the O-line. Hey, do you have a complimentary run game? What are the perimeter weapons? All of that plays into the effectiveness at the position. So I guess long-winded way of saying, James, Like I think both avenues are are are are good ones. I think it maybe creates different challenges. Right. With the with a young player, you're probably going to have longer startup costs. But, you know, they kind of grow up in your environment. They learn a certain way of doing things with your coaching staff.

34:28With a veteran, you know, there's probably maybe a little bit more adjustment in terms of their custom way of playing if they've had a level of success. but you know they're they're so hard to find it's such a hard position to play that I think you just

34:41James Harrison:have to be open to all avenues well yeah definitely I mean I mean that's why you guys take all the heat you know what I'm saying uh yeah the GM something go wrong it's it's GM's fault they trying they trying they trying to get rid of him uh hell y 'all got to be stressed to death hey how do you uh say manage or or or or how do you manage to not let it affect you you know the criticism and all that. What do you do to decompress, you know, from the stress of the job? Look, I would say that, I mean, you guys lived it throughout your careers as well. It's probably any profession that's in the public, whether it's you're an athlete, you're an entertainer, you're a GM, you're a head coach, you're a politician, it comes with the territory.

35:23So there's certainly a factor where you just kind of get used to it just because, you know, it's part of the job. I think the second part of it, from my perspective, is you can't control what people write or say about you, but you can't control your inputs. And so for me, I usually just like, you know, I focus on work, you know, focus on, you know, family, things like that. And then, you know, all the look, we work in the entertainment business. And so everybody loves talking about everybody has, you know, strong opinions. It's what makes it's part of what makes the NFL great. That doesn't mean you have to consume all of that, you know, you generally want to try and keep your eye on the ball in terms of what you can control and, and ultimately what matters.

36:01And then the other part of it is, I think, and I think I would I would guess that probably the two of you may agree with this, especially as you guys have gotten older, the balance that family and particularly like kids have like in your life and the perspective that they bring. I think that's like that's really important because, you know, if you're grinding really the only thing that you have to worry about is like your career in your your your early 20s, your mid 20s, then, you know, maybe that some of that stuff wears on you a little bit more, but you know, when you have, you know, other responsibilities at home, it really does balance it out and brings it in perspective and, and, and can keep you a little bit calmer and cooler in those, in those tougher moments.

36:40James Harrison:You ain't got a man cave or nothing like that. Somewhere you go, you fish, do something to what you do to compress. I do have the man cave in the basement. I do have the man cave in the basement. Um, do have the man cave in the basement. Love, uh, I love, you know, your kind of Netflix streaming, stuff like that. Big, uh, Big CrossFitter. Okay. Okay. There you go, Debo. That's huge for me. It's a great – I love working out. It's a great, you know, stress reliever as well. Yes, it is. You know, the other thing is I just love spending time out of time, whether it's like hike or run, you know, maybe play hoops, something like that.

37:18There you go. Yes. It's really – yeah, it's stuff like that that really balances it out.

37:25James Harrison:Okay. Okay. I'm just making sure. I'm like, you got to do something. That's right. That's right. It can't be all working family. You got to have something where you get like, you know what? Hey, I'm going to love y 'all. But you know what I'm saying? Let me get a little bit over here. This is why I say I love chocolate. I've got a huge sweet tooth. I love chocolate. Right. I can't have chocolate for every single meal. Otherwise, I'm going to get otherwise going to say it's the same thing with. I love football. I love my job. I love it. You know, but there are some times that you got to get away a little bit to be the best version of yourself.

37:57James Harrison:question a.B. So with the Browns going into this season, how far do you think, or if not, how far do you think we are away from being able to win this division? Yeah, it's a great question, Joe. And I know it's like the question that's on every, every fan's mind. For me, I don't ever put a ceiling on a given team. And, and I think we just see it time and time again. Like if you think about a year ago, you know, Kansas City was going to the Super Bowl. They ended up picking in the top 10. Cincinnati was one of the favorites. They ended up picking in the top, you know, the the you know, the top 10.

38:35You know, Chicago was coming off a five and 12 season. They win. And, you know, the Lions were supposed to go to the Super Bowl. Lions out of the playoffs. Chicago. Jacksonville, you know, pick it in the top five. They go win 13 games. And then probably the best example, you know, the Patriots were picking four. Right. And, you know, they had one and done coach and, you know, there was there was no shot that they were going to do anything. And they're the AFC champions. And so I say that because and I think that's particularly the case for a young team that there's there usually ends up being a wide range of outcomes that can happen, which is which is both.

39:05Well, I guess, depending on if you're glasshouse floor, that's empty. It could be it could be really exciting or really terrifying. Right. Because it could go. But we're really excited about the particularly the young core that we have on both sides of the ball. And we've got to continue to grow them and develop them. Obviously, we've got to see how our quarterback position shakes out. But we really like the group of players that we've brought in, particularly the past two off seasons. And we like the progress that we've made. I can't sit here and say I have a crystal ball and can predict what that's going to mean in terms of wins.

39:39And truth be told, there's also a little bit of luck, right? Whether it's with injuries or something along those lines. But, you know, we expect to be a competitive team and we expect to be playing our best football later in the year as this group continues to grow and play together.

39:55James Harrison:OK, look, I'm going to tell you, listen, I might I might actually root for you. Got to. Except for two, you know, you know, maybe three, you know, you know, you know what those games going to be. I can take that, James. I can accept that. I'm good with that. I'm good with that. Hey, A.B., you've been around since, what was it, 2009, right? Yes. Okay, so you've been around since 2009. Is it anything that, you know, I would say in the league as far as maybe rule changes, whatever it may be, that you may, that you would want to see implemented, either brought back or taken away? That is a great question.

40:40boy, put me on the spot right there, James.

40:43James Harrison:I was just, I'm thinking. I got to think about that. I know me. I know me. I know what I want back, Debo. You know what I want back. I want back them four-man wedges. I want to see who really want it. I've got to be honest. I'll say I admittedly was maybe a little bit skeptical with the new kickoff rule. I was curious of how it was going to play out. I actually think it's very much been a net positive in terms of the plays that we get. And then even just the safety component as well. I think that's been very, very well done. You know, I think James is going to appreciate this one. I think maybe some of the quarterback protection rules are a little bit extreme.

41:33Facts. Please.

41:35James Harrison:Thank you. just a little just a little just a little bit can we at least call it like forcible hit instead of just touching him like let me get at least a swing something 350 trying to get their body weight off it's crazy right I'm landing on him I'm dropping my hands where you ain't drop off enough weight I put my hands down and then what I'd like to see I'd actually like to see the incorporation of more replay and technology. So to point to your point with the, with the QB, you know, hit, hit, you know, hit that. I think that's a call that we should be right a hundred percent of the time, right?

42:14Like we can, we can, the sum where it looks like, okay, he really hits him on the shoulder pad, but you know, his head goes and we, and we get those calls wrong. I think that that's something that we should be able to, you know, replay assist and, and, and, and get right. And then I know, you know, we're doing a lot of, you know, chip in the ball type technology. I like to see us continue to advance there just because you see the impact that can have in some of the other sports, whether it's, you know, Euro soccer and everything like that. And like, even like camera angles at the boundary lines, like right at the end zone that you get in the prime time games, but you don't necessarily get in the one o 'clock games to see if a guy scored or dropped the ball before the goal, like, or first down marker.

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48:08James Harrison:And it just makes sense. The obvious stuff, like when we're looking at it like, Like, why do we keep having to replay him not get hit in the head? He didn't get hit in the head. That's right. Let's go full. That's right. Right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, you know, them bang-bang plays. It's something else, too. Like, we got to find a way to get like that. Like, I understand a hit to the helmet, but, like, the incidental where he actually makes a tackle and the bottom of the helmet, like, touches and now it's, come on. We got, like, I mean, how much do you want these guys to do? You got the defense just adjusting to everything.

48:40James Harrison:And the offense, like, they're not responsible. Yeah, it's it's it's it's tough. It's it's it's tough on the players. It's tough on the refs. Yeah, those are tough. And the penalties, they're so punitive, right, because they're 15. 15. You know, it's like, hey, that's right. It's the letter of the law. But sometimes it's tough to stomach when you're on the other end of it. Yeah. Yeah. Look here, man. So Joe and I have been talking about making the trip up there to camp or to a game because you already know, you know, Joe, he wanted to ride a ride. Brown fans. You probably do A.B. And, you know, that's my dude, so I'm willing to go with him so he can be happy.

49:17James Harrison:And I'm from Akron, Ohio. That's what I'm saying. I did know that. I'm from Akron, Ohio. So, you know, we're going to have to let you know when we can make it over there. You let us know when it's a great time for us to make it over there because we know we've got to get you up out of here. We done ran over that timeline a little bit. Joe, if he comes up, can we get him in some Browns here? Maybe a Hayden jersey? Can we get him in that? Let's talk about it. Yes. Yes. We're going to get him offline. This hat, this hat, this brown still hat is probably all I got for you. I'm going to throw a sticker right on top of that thing.

49:46James Harrison:He won't even know it, AB. He won't even know it. I'll tell you what I can do for you. I could come neutral. Alright, alright. Hey, that's progress. We'll take that. We'll take it. I could come in the deep on your team. There we go. That's what I could do for you. Hey, man, look here. AB, man, we really appreciate you coming on with us, man. We don't want to take up too much more of your time, brother. But, you You know, appreciate it. Thank you, man. You're, I ain't gonna lie. You cooking with grease over there. You doing your thing. I appreciate you, A.B., always, man. Thank you guys for allowing me on.

50:25I really, I love the podcast. You two are some of my favorite people, favorite players. So I feel honored to be able to spend, you know, the last 40 minutes. My man.

50:35James Harrison:Thank you, man. We appreciate you, man. You have a good one, man. All right, you guys take it easy. Don't eat too much chocolate at lunch now. I'll be good. I'll be good. All right. I'll see y 'all. Yes, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Andrew. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Round of applause. Good old, good old A.B., man. Shout out. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Look here, Joe. What's up, my good brother? I'm trying to tell you. Man. Man, listen, I ain't know. The man smart as a whistle. The man smart as a whistle. Summa cum laude. Cum Laude. Summa is that top one. My bad, my bad. He did cum Laude. He did cum Laude.

51:14James Harrison:He did cum Laude. He did cum Laude. You know me. I don't know nothing about them Laude. I ain't get no Laude. I ain't get cum or Laude. I ain't get Laude. I ain't get summa cum Laude. Uh-uh. I ain't get summa cum Laude. I ain't do none of that. I got body. I ain't get Laude. I got body. Well, well, well. You understand? So, tell me about the... We to the Browns, man. We to the game. We actually to the game now. We're talking to the Browns. Now, go ahead, because he said, you know, both quarterbacks, they did. You know, it's preseason, you know. It's preseason for Facts. Joe Facts, it's preseason, Joe.

51:54James Harrison:Faisa. Hey, hey, hey, Joe, I ain't going to lie to you. Browns, defense, the first quarter, what's cool? First quarter, cool. maybe a little bit into the second quarter too and then them boys crumbled except for what was it they got an interception in the second quarter and then after that hey I'm gonna go to the offense bro it's a lot of holes on that offensive line right now brother you got some shining spot offensive line yeah but if you cannot block and you can't run the ball, you can't block to run the ball or pass the ball, that's a problem. That's going to be a problem for anybody out there playing.

52:42James Harrison:That's a problem. But your guy, your guy KC Concepcion, hey, he did his thing. KC Concepcion? Listen, the first punt return, that first punt return he got. He going to the house. I said he going to the house. I said it. Listen, as soon as he caught the ball, I said, he go into the house. I said, hey, he go into the house. And then dude was able to slide out there and tap that leg, bruh. I'm like, oh my goodness, bruh. I'm like, oh my, I don't even know why I wanted to see it though. I know it because I don't know. I just wanted to see it. You know what I'm saying? I just wanted to see it, yo. I just wanted to see it.

53:25James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? I just wanted to see some matches. Okay, so Debo, what was your assessment of the game? Okay, so first, are we going to go quarterback? Are we talking about some good? we had some quarterback to i'll tell you this tell me something i'll start watching start with the shot i thought he did he did a whole lot better than i thought he was okay ditto i'll tell you that like you know he had he had some some some some errant throws or whatever it was but going off of what excuse me going off of what i was seeing in practice like from you know what we had saw in practice and all that, I didn't, I didn't think he was going to be able to do what he did.

54:08Like he had,

54:10James Harrison:I think it was like, Oh, he had one pass that was really sideways. But other than that, dude, it was a couple that dudes dropped. Actually the first, I think it was the first drive they did, or it was the second, it was the second drive. They, he was in the pocket. He sat there, he delivered the ball 44. He dropped it. Yes, yes, yes. Harold Fannin. Harold Fannin dropped it. That would have been a conversion. That one could have continued. But they did get a field goal from that one. What was it? I mean, I think for me, like he just, I didn't expect much from him. I think that's what it was. I didn't expect him to be able to move like he did.

54:51James Harrison:Like he showed, like he said, he showed he could get up out of the pocket. Like, you know, he did almost have a pick, but I mean, horseshoes and hand grenades is the only thing that counted almost, right? I'm just saying. So, I mean, what do you see from Watson? This is what I'm going to see. He did better than I expected, Debo. Like you said, I didn't know what to expect coming off the injuries, you know what I'm saying, like athleticism. He looked smooth. He didn't look bad at all. He didn't look great. He didn't look bad. He looked like he was, like, comfortable a little bit throwing on time.

55:28James Harrison:The offensive line wasn't that good. So he was still kind of, like, pressure. There was a lot of pressure on him. So that was what it was. He didn't throw the ball too far down the field, but he was getting it out of his hands. He took the sack, and then when you – the strip sack, it's just that you just can't – you got to protect the ball. So it wasn't like, oh, man, Deshaun did so good, but he didn't do bad. It was okay. Right, and that's the thing. I go in, I look at Shador. So that's when I was proud. I was looking at it because, Debo, I wasn't expecting nothing. I didn't know what to expect.

56:03James Harrison:So with that, I'm like, okay, that's good ball. And I'm not going to hate and be like, no, no, you did terrible. No, that was okay. You got to protect the ball a little bit more. Took a sack, threw a little bit of air and passes, but you didn't throw it too far downfield. But you were efficient. We were moving around. Like, it didn't look bad. Now, when Shador comes in, the line is still not as that good. You can't fumble, bobble the snap. The ball, when you throw it, they keep batting the balls down. And then when you throw that pick, I hear this slipping and all that. But, like, we're in a quarterback competition right now.

56:39James Harrison:We're going versus the twos. He's wide open. We have to make that throw when I'm talking, like, when we want to be the starting quarterback for the NFL team. And you're trying to take the position from Deshaun Watson. We need all of that. You know what I'm saying? And so when I'm looking at the game, it's like, Shador, you did not do that. You fumbled the snap. You were getting your balls batted down, and you threw an errant pick. Some of the deep balls that you did, you did do well. You threw some passes on time, and it looked nice. When that ball was jumping out of your hand, you know what I'm going to say?

57:08James Harrison:That looks good. You look like a real quarterback. I'm like, okay, that's an arm. I like that. But now when I'm looking at it, like, I'm just not going to – that was still – the other ball, the interception, that – you can't do that. the fumble and the snap, your balls can get batted down. And that, it didn't look like you took the job. So now, obviously, you're going to go play versus the Bills. You're going to be able to start the next game. You're going to get, you have to go with the ones. But when you're looking at it from outside and with Coach, how Coach is talking about how he was just impressed with how Deshaun is out there, how he's kind of just, you know, Coach, for me, he's like, oh, it wouldn't be fair if Shador didn't get to start the second game.

57:50James Harrison:I'm like, what? Because you're going to get those same players. That basically sounds like he kind of basically already, you have to steal the job, Shador. It's kind of like Deshaun. You got to steal the job. It's his job to win it so much. Right now for me, I'm like, from what I've seen in the game, I can agree. Like, Deshaun Watson didn't look terrible. He didn't look. And Shador, when you came in there, mind it be with the second team. Mind it be with when you were out there. Well, that's why we're getting a chance to see. Next week. we'll get a chance to see next week him with the ones now he'll get KC Kisepsie on he'll get that same old line he'll he'll he'll he'll get you know he'll get fan he'll get he'll get the the weapons that you know uh Watson had and we'll see how how it looks but I'm I'm I'm with you bro like the thing I saw that I thought Shador did better like Shador really ropes that ball man he gets he throws it down the field 30 yard choice and it's hitting It don't matter where he's going to.

58:48James Harrison:It's just, it's like, it's like there. It may be off, but it's there. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's getting there now. That was something that I noticed. And then when you go and you look at with... Watson? With Watson, sorry. With Watson. Dude, he still got it. He can still move. I thought that he was more athletic in his scramble than Shador was. I think he is. He is more athletic. Like, Shador never was a guy that could run fast. And the dad, Deion Sanders. But, you know, that don't mean that Shador's 4 '2". He's not fast. He's a legitimate pocket passer. Stand up in the pocket, throw the ball.

59:28James Harrison:Deshaun, when I'm looking at it, too, Debo, is Deshaun was moving around smooth. But, like, that he still, I'm still thinking. I mean, I've seen some places where he was still a little fidgety. And a little shaky, all that. And if you're running like that, you could still be getting it. Almost two years? You're going to be getting hit. What is it? How long he ain't played? Two, three years? This is his first action. This is like 630, 630 some days. Okay. So over two years. Well, a little over, close to two years. And this is what I get. I see. And then, you know, comparatively to what Shador did, I see why we are where we're at now.

1:00:08James Harrison:Like, Shador is going to have to come out there and take this. Like, if you come out and there's any, you know, any closeness of this competition, I just don't. It's even. It's looking like they're leaning. Because we just hear from Todd Munkin, where the head coach, he's telling us the competition. He's saying he's feeling more comfortable with the way that Deshaun Watson is kind of running it. So, for my, I was always, I'm Shador. I want Shador to go out there and start. But when I'm looking at now, okay, this is our first game. It's still the first preseason game. I'm going to be honest. It didn't look like, obviously, he didn't have the ones.

1:00:40James Harrison:he wasn't starting, but you got to outplay. You want to see him out there looking like he's outplaying them. You know what I'm saying? Like from there, next game, hopefully he's going to go against the Bills, go out there and spaz. You got to go crazy, but it's looking like Todd is kind of leaning there. But for me, Shador, still, when you get out there, though, we need balling. We know what time it is. You know what I'm saying? We can't just be having like batted balls all the time, just having stuff. It got to be looking smooth, bro. Got to look smooth. yeah I think you like you said you get him out there he gets he gets the same excuse me the same personnel as Watson had this game and I'm thinking he's going to have to go out there and he's going to have to put in a nice performance if he's going to have an opportunity to take this away performance and I hate to say it but Watson would have to come in behind him and not have as nice as he goes in.

1:01:38James Harrison:And they both do the same thing. I see Watson get in the starting position. Yeah. From me, I wanted what I was expecting to have, what I thought was going to happen with Shador, being able to go out there and just perform at a very high level. But now just hearing the information, seeing what we saw later. Well, listen, he only got a quarter. I know, one quarter. No, no. I just got the whole set. So that's why we got the flip. I'm just trying to go. He going to get a whole half a play, I'm hoping, against the Bills. I'm just saying, though, if we're looking at it from the perspective of just everything that we've been seeing, from the coach saying that he's going to go out there and play, start at practice and he doesn't start, then Deshaun Watson goes out there and he starts the first preseason game.

1:02:19James Harrison:Coach is speaking very, very highly of him and says it wouldn't be fair to give Shador the second game start. I'm like, damn, you kind of almost handed it to him. You know, not handed it to him, but it's like, you going to, like, it wouldn't be fair if he didn't get it. Hold on, hold on, hold on. would you say it wouldn't be fair to give him the start? Yes, brother. They saying like, oh, like it's... Hold on, hold on, hold on. I thought you said it wouldn't be fair for him to not give him the start. It wouldn't be fair for him not to get the start. Yes, so he's starting the second game. You say it wouldn't be fair for him not to get the start.

1:02:48James Harrison:Okay, all right. You reversed that on me a little bit first. But Debo, I'm like, that's obvious. With my just listening to him, it's kind of like he kind of already knows a little where he wants to go. When you hear it from that perspective, Do you see what I'm saying? Listen, Joe, you've been around me too long. You're reading it between the lines. I'm going to tell you this, Deebo. I'm just realizing, though, for real, for real. Sometimes if you listen hard enough, they're telling you what they want. You know what I'm saying? It ain't always about what they say. It's what they do. It's about what they don't say.

1:03:22James Harrison:And what they do. What they do say. And what they... You got to take in everything. You got to take in everything. You got to take in everything. You got to take in everything, Joe. And I think, and listen, Joe, you starting to wise up a little bit, and you know what I'm saying? You getting there. Keep watching, man, because – Keep watching, Joe. Then the boy Dylan Gabriel went in there, too. Force Illustrated. You seen Dylan went in there, too. Hey, listen, man. Dylan ain't in the conversation. I was just saying. Look, I'm – What are we talking about, brother? Dylan went five or eight for 22 yards, one interception.

1:03:57James Harrison:I understand he was sacked twice because he was in with the five but he ain't got a chance yeah yeah you gotta go yeah I just had to put it I just you know because look this all I'm saying this all I'm saying what happens to the other boy hopefully he gets a shot but this all I'm saying though Deebo when I'm watching this and I'm looking at our quarterbacks and the line and everything that's going on and then hold on who's our quarterbacks our quarterbacks and we just got off the phone just now with our boy Andrew Barry right now we're talking about we're talking about the Browns. Talking about Deshaun, Shador, and Dillon.

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