Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Can Deshaun Watson Return To Form? + Lamar Jackson Disrespected in NFL Top 100?

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4:09Welcome back to this episode of Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison. I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like, subscribe, and download where you get your show. And like the show. Come on, man. I'm going to have to get you. How you doing today, Joe? I'm doing great today, brother Debo. I'm doing extraordinary. You see, I got the guns out. Feeling good. Hold up. Hold up. You got guns in there? You see it. D-Bo, stop acting like you hard of hearing. You see them. You see these fight guns. Oh, you are? I thought you had some guns. I thought you were showing me guns.

4:49Not literal guns. You know what I'm saying? Oh. Heavy artillery. On the biceps. On the biceps and triceps. Don't stop, Joe. Joe. Joe. Joe. Heavy artillery? Bruh, I don't have to get this close to see you. D-Bo, you see me, man. Man, back up. Hey, let me see. Put it in the camera. Let me see. Back up. Oh, I see. All right, you got an arm? Rock up. Chill out. Arm me, bro. Did you get your work in this morning? You know I did. Oh, I know you did. See? Hey, you see? See that? That wouldn't look like. See how far I'm walking back? You still see that thing? You got more. You have more LBSs than me. You know what I'm saying?

5:33Pounds. What's that? Pounds. Pounds. Pounds. Pounds. Pounds. Pounds. Pounds. You have more pounds than me, so you're just a bigger human being. I ain't victim weight. I ain't victim weight. Joe, I ain't victim weight. I know you're not. I ain't never been a victim. I ain't about to be. You're just a big human being, Debo. Hey, Joe, last time I was a victim weight, I think I was a child. I might have been a young man. I might have been 17. I was around that 190. I take it back. I take it back. My senior year, I was 6 '2", 210. So that ain't right. No, you're lying. You know you were six foot, 190 pounds.

6:14I still never got over six foot. You're still not over six foot. You're six feet. Now you're just being absolutely disrespectful. Let me get you six, man. I'm six foot and a little bit more. You're six foot with your shoes on. Bruh, we go to my doctor. We're going to go to a doctor, period. and we go measure me barefoot standing up yeah i promise you i'm gonna be over six and we go in all this stuff that everybody be talking about oh he's six foot if that barely six foot just a little under six foot all that thousand percent if you measure six foot from a doctor that is not your doctor or my doctor we going to a regular doctor he don't know who you are you know i'm saying you're gonna walk in there take your shoes off and we're gonna measure what we just walk into a clinic somewhere?

7:07Somewhere that's not, somewhere that's not gonna lie. Where we could be like, no. Ain't nobody gonna lie. Joe, you gonna be right there. I'm gonna be sitting right there. You gonna have your shoes off, heels on the ground, no tippy toes. I'm not, don't do that combine. That way we ain't got no... That combine, that combine, you gonna be on your tippy toes a little bit, try and do the most. I'm like, D-Bo, just stand normal and put your heels down and then we'll see. What my, what my height say, I don't know what they do at combine, but what my height say, I know what they did in my pro day. What did my height say on the NFL?

7:37It say six foot? It say six foot. All right, for sure. But you might have shrunk a little bit because you know you're not going to get taller. You getting close to that, you might start going down, you know. Once, twice a child. I was still, when I was six foot, I was over six foot. They just ain't getting me because I wasn't 6 '1". They ain't say that. They ain't getting me those quarters and all that other stuff. Yeah, for sure. because it was not... I lost a little something, but I'm still... You're 5 '11 and a 99 one-hundredths. So what's your height, Joe? I'm 5... Honestly, you want me to really...

8:14All right. Honestly, honestly, I am 5 '10 and 7 '8. Why are you talking about you taller than me? I'm not taller than you. But you... That was your combine, right? That's my combine. I'm legitimate 5 '10 and 7 '8. And you done got older too when you done shrunk. No, my back... I started getting taller. I started getting a little bit taller. I'm still maybe growing a little bit. I might have leveled up. Joe, how old are you, Joe? You still growing? Look, because with my stretching, with my stretching, my back has become pressed. What if you're like a turtle? You live to be two, three hundred years old or something?

8:48No, no, no, no. I'm not going to keep on. Right now, I'm five foot eleven. Somehow, I grew just a little bit. I'm five eleven. Who told you you was five eleven? My doctor. He's a liar. That's what I'm telling you. We're both going to go to not my doctor, not your doctor, just a razor. Was that when you had braids and they was measuring on top of the braids? I think that might have been it. I think it might not have been a push down on my head enough. I ain't had no hair. I've been cutting my bald since college. Even when I did have a fade, it wasn't nothing but a little bit. My height been my height since it's been my height.

9:21It's going to be my height to not be my height. It's going to always be my height. 5 '11 and 99 hundred. Why ain't no going to be hotter than me? I'm talking. I'm 5 '10 and 7 '8. You got me by one inch. No. You don't understand. You're not strong. And I'm taller than what they said. They got you. I've seen you. We've hung out. I need to look back at some of the film when we were walking down. I need to go back to the Super Bowl film. When we were walking together and I'm looking at you. I'm looking at you literally like this. My dog, D-Bo. Look at D-Bo. We right here. We see it right here. Bro, stop playing.

9:58Look. We are. Bro. I'm looking down at you like this. You looking at me like... What's up? I'm like, what's up, bro? I'm down here. Like, what's up, bro? We got matching Brent. We literally looking directly in each other's eyes. It's all good. I'm going to see you soon. I'm going to see you soon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, bro. You are out of control. Dude, you're talking about... You actually... Yeah. What we got? What we got? What we got? What we got? I'm going to come back from that, dude. That's what Brown's reporter sounds the alarm with Deshaun Watson's catastrophic injury history. Brown's reporter Nick Padone remains unconvinced that Deshaun Watson can return to his original form.

10:44He said, I hate to put it that way. I hate to put it that blunt clear cut dry because it makes it really hard on us to sell fans on hope for the next six to eight months that the Browns season can be anything. Joe, he said, I just don't believe that Deshaun Watson has anything there. And I really think that talking about all these videos and all this stuff is much ado about nothing because the guy has completely lost it. He's never going to find it again, Joe. Joe, he said he's never going to find it again. Listen, I ain't going to lie to you, bro. What I didn't realize, well, I ain't going to say realize, I didn't remember.

11:34What I didn't remember is actually how good Deshaun Watson was in Houston. That boy had like 4 ,800 yards. He was leading the league in passing, 33 touchdowns, only seven in the 70s. That's crazy. But I also didn't realize since he got to the Browns how bad he has been. Since he was traded to the Browns from Houston to Cleveland, Watson has completed 61 % of his passes, 3 ,365 yards. That's it, Drew. That's it, yo. With 19 touchdowns and 12 interceptions, Joe. That's out of control. So, with that being said, Joe, you think I ain't even saying he could get hit. Ain't no way in hell he's getting back to what he was.

12:27That ain't happening. It's been 20? That was 20 when he was in Houston? Six years ago. Six years? He ain't getting there even if he was healthy, dude. that's six years ago. He done got six years older. And those ain't small numbers. That's almost 5K, Joe. He ain't getting there, especially not with y 'all. You know what I'm saying? But what do you, what do you think, Joe? You think, you think it's, he's like, he's saying it's over. It's done. No hope. With Deshaun Watson, Debo, I hear what he's saying because watching the tape and knowing what Deshaun had back in 2020 was he can run and he can throw.

13:12And the one thing was his athletic ability, being able to scramble. And he could do both. That's why when you talk about these numbers, 4 ,500 yards and all those stats, when he was doing that, 4 ,800 yards. Yeah, 4 ,800. He was almost 5K. His stats were, he was up there. So when I'm saying now, when you start losing your athletic ability, and it's not that like with quarterbacks, with the scrambling, when we're looking at now, when I'm looking at Lamar Jackson, when I was looking at Michael Vick, the guys that that is their extra superpower. It's not that they cannot throw the ball. Great at throwing the ball still, but being able to do both is what makes their game completely different.

13:53With patching my homes, with Tom Brady, with Aaron Rodgers, it's never really their athletic ability. It's going to be able to get the ball out. It's above the neck. It's a lot of that. So with Deshaun Watson, I'm saying with just above the neck, if it's going to be I'm looking, it's not going to be what it was because his athletic ability, his escape ability, him being able to move and run. It's not going to be that after two ACLs, after these surgeries and then just coming back. So I'm more of the fact that what he's saying is if it was like Dak Prescott, when he hurt his ankle, Dak Prescott never was a real scrambler.

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17:54While supplies last, contact store for availability. Be able to run a little bit, but it's more just if I need to. He's able to get the ball out. He's able to throw the ball. And this is his arm, I think, that gets Dak Prescott to what he is. So when they're saying about Deshaun, I'm in the same kind of boat, I want him to succeed. This year is going to be a make or break for him because if he gets the opportunity to play for the Browns, you're putting, like they always say, you're putting a resume out for the other teams. So no matter what he does, if he gets to start for the Browns, he's doing, it's going to be either, are you going to be Tua Tungvalua?

18:32Are you going to be Kyler Murray? Where now everybody knows if you're coming to our team, you're going a vet minimum. You know what I'm saying? We're not signing you for nothing. Basically, you're going to have to come prove it because you've already made this money. Nobody else is going to take that chance, the injury history. So with him, he's got to put his best foot forward, and that's what it's going to be. For me, I'm with the guy like, we need to go with Shador. He's not, Deshaun, he's not going to be the future for the Browns. We have him as a rookie contract, as under a rookie contract, young quarterback with these new parts.

19:04Let's see what we can do. So I don't think Deshaun, even if he goes out there and since we've had him, he hasn't looked that good. So I'm thinking that with the injuries and coming back, I'm. He said completely lost it. Completely lost it is an overstatement, I say. I think that he's reaching, but I'm saying as far as looking like he did before when he was in Houston, we're not going to get that. Like, because that was prime. That was when he was young, ready to go, like can move. He was getting up out of bed. That's why that whole contract was changed. That's why I told you that because they were expecting to get that 45, the 4 ,800 yards and the touchdowns and just the athletic ability.

19:42We started getting the shoulder, the off the field stuff. So he got suspended. Then when he came out, started getting hurt. And you can't help that. Things are going to happen. But you can only, what have you done for me lately? And what he's done for us lately is not really show that good of a quarterback. So I'm saying just when I see him now, you're not going to get healthier. Then, you know what I'm saying? I need you. You're not going to be running like you were in 2020. That's just math doesn't math. Your knee isn't going to get – it's going to be healthy. But I know you can throw, but I'm not going to be able to see that, Deshaun.

20:17I know from 2020. Well, you know, he said he in a better place mentally too, though. You got to realize that, you know, maybe he can recapture a little bit of that glory. But, Joe, I ain't going to lie. I'm with you. I don't see him, like I said, I don't see him getting back to the form that he was. I didn't, I totally forgot he was actually. He was that number. That's why you get the 235 guarantee. That's why you got the 230 guarantee. Yeah, you know, because I hadn't really seen him do anything. And then I, you know, looking at what his whole numbers were since he got to Cleveland, I didn't, I didn't, you know, know that they were that low either.

20:5719 touchdowns, 12 interceptions. Like, you damn near going one for one. That ain't conducive to winning, Joe. I mean, the touchdown and interceptions isn't really the bad. I was literally watching it. It's not, it doesn't, it just doesn't look like he was moving the same way. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah. I'm not mad at 19 and 12. So you believe a lot of his success was predicated on his movement. Dude, he got 4 ,800. he wasn't trying to do too much of running or anything. He was slinging to piss out that ball. I hate you, bro. 4 ,800? You ain't doing too much running on that, man. Like, Lamar, you know, Lamar Jackson go give you, you know, three something and another thousand rushing to something if you let him do it to you.

21:43You know what I'm saying? That's going to be his 4 ,500, 4 ,800 or something like that. You know what I'm saying? Like, but, dude, he was doing, yes, he was definitely throwing the ball. He was slinging the pill. He was doing a little bit of everything. Two back-to-back Achilles. And then, you know, the issue with the lawsuit that went on. And then the shoulder. He played through some of that, too. Yeah, for sure. It's not that he wasn't for a lack of trying. You know what I'm saying? His effort was out there. He was trying to get it done. But what have you – it's just the eye in the sky, the tape.

22:18What I've seen from him being able to be back there under center just doesn't look the same. And after injuries, I'm not, you know how you, Conor McGregor, people, when they start getting hurt and things start happening, like, you're just not going to come back and all of a sudden you expect them to be the same as they were. I'm like, you hope for the best. You want them to succeed. But it's like, if they don't and you start seeing that, like, I'm like, it was kind of a little bit of the writing was on the wall that they could still be a maybe a backup quarterback or just show them what can you do.

22:49But knowing that Deshaun Watson in 2020, we don't know if we're going to see that same player. Because that dude was a lead. He was one of the best players in the entire football league. Yeah, for me, I hate to say it, but I think it's just lip service. In my opinion, I think it may be lip service. Because if I'm the head coach or the GM, you ain't really got a chance to start for me unless Shador goes in here and crashes out and don't get it done because I'm not going to play you and then be stuck having to pay you something next year because I didn't give myself an opportunity to see at least Shador.

23:32And I'm going to give myself an opportunity to see if they keep the screen. Yes. They drafted two. You have quarterbacks on your roster that you drafted for a reason. So when we're saying like, oh, no, I'm going to get next year's draft. We got dudes on the team right now. We have Shador Sanders. We have Jalen Green. Dylan Gabriel got his opportunity. So, like, if you don't think Dylan's got, now we have two dudes. I think Shador still needs his rest of his chance. Jalen Green to the draft. Like, quarterback is what we obviously need. But if you have dudes on your roster, let's see what they can do.

24:07Give them a shot. Got to. You got to. Especially, like you said, when you already, you still under that rookie contract. as a quarterback. And if you could go out there and do something and show something like this. And you're doing it at the same time that you traded miles to get another good, good, good, good verse and picks. So if your door starts hooping, you could fill up spots to be like, okay, we got a quarterback in a rookie contract. So now this is where we can bring in other dudes, like pay them and draft well to add, like just get depth. Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how y 'all camp turned out and who ends up being the starter.

24:47I believe it's going to be Shador, just for the simple, like it's nothing, like you said, there's no future with him. And I think it'll be Shador if he can, you know, if he can show, like he would literally have to do the least to not get the starting job if it was me. I'm just saying, like, because I need to see, I got to build for the future. Am I going to have to draft a guy next year? Because I know I'm not going to have to sign next year. Is Shador going to be the guy? I need to see if he's going to be the guy. If I go halfway through the season, I realize he's not the guy. Now I got to draft somebody.

25:24I done put all that. I done got all that draft capital. Now I got a chance. Plus, you're going to be trash. Y 'all going to be super trash. If Shador doesn't do well, we're going to be losing games. So then we'll get a higher draft pick at quarterback. So it's going to be what it's going to be. So hopefully, let's go out here, see what the hell's going on. Give my man a shot. And that's the, Shador wants, I don't, I don't, I think that he knows he can do better. Like, I'm not on Shador like, oh my, he's going to be our savior. I'm willing to see. Give the man a shot. If he doesn't do well this year, I'm going to be right here standing like, damn, that was not good.