In short
Episode topic: The hosts chat about a canceled Lake Erie walleye fishing trip due to wind/boat advisory, then discuss Conor McGregor’s UFC 329 return and knee injury, and finish with a debate over a “Top 10 Steelers of All Time” list.
Guest backgrounds
No guests appear; only hosts James “Debo” Harrison and Joe Hayden.
Key claims
McGregor’s flying knee buckled his knee early (about 1:30 into the fight), and the hosts speculate he may have been injured already despite looking solid in warm-ups; they argue age, stamina, and “paper” lifestyle can hurt performance. They also debate whether Steelers rankings should prioritize Super Bowl championships vs individual stats/talent.
Notable examples
Lake Erie 30-mile-an-hour winds; Steelers list includes Franco Harris, Jack Lambert, Terry Bradshaw, Troy Polamalu, Mike Webster, Mel Blount, Rod Woodson, Jack Hamm, Ben Roethlisberger, and Mean Joe Greene.
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Chapters
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0:35 to 1:31
Debo and Joe discuss their weekend and planned fishing trip on Lake Erie.
“Amazon Health AI presents Painful Thoughts.”
Weekend Recap and Fishing Plans
2:31 to 3:11
Debo and Joe discuss their weekend and planned fishing trip on Lake Erie.
“This is Tab Ramos from Inside American Soccer.”
Weekend Recap and Fishing Plans
4:22 to 5:38
Debo and Joe discuss their weekend and planned fishing trip on Lake Erie.
“Well, anyway, people didn't know, but hey, we were going to go fishing.”
Fishing Trip Canceled
5:38 to 6:41
The hosts talk about the cancellation of their fishing trip due to bad weather conditions.
“Like here, you don't want to be out there in 30-mile-an-hour winds, so you would have went fishing.”
Recap of Recent Games
6:41 to 8:06
Debo and Joe discuss their respective basketball games and team performances.
“I'm telling you, I've been out there when it was like 15, man.”
Health Concerns About Injuries
8:06 to 9:16
Discussion about a player injury and the reality of playing through pain.
“We played a team yesterday, you asked me did we win, and I wanted to let you know we won.”
Conor McGregor Fight Discussion
9:16 to 14:02
The hosts analyze the recent Conor McGregor fight and his performance after years off.
“He knew he was going with a calf strain.”
Conor McGregor's Training and Recent Fight
14:02 to 16:20
Discussion centers around Conor McGregor's recent fight, his conditioning, and aging effects on stamina.
“So now I'm like, and I'm looking at him like, the energy and the stamina that you have to have with the training.”
Conor McGregor's Training and Recent Fight
16:43 to 17:41
Discussion centers around Conor McGregor's recent fight, his conditioning, and aging effects on stamina.
“I, um, I can't stop scratching my downtown.”
Reflections on Returning to the Game
19:45 to 22:00
Hosts share their thoughts on returning to sports and the reality of injuries as they age.
“First time I got to move 100 miles an hour and stop and go.”
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The Risks of Competitive Play
22:00 to 28:00
Discussion on the risks of playing competitively and the implications of injuries in sports.
“No, I'm just saying like a pickup game, a regular pickup game, not even a league, just a regular pickup game.”
Conor McGregor's Choke Out Reaction
28:00 to 29:45
Discussion on McGregor's fight and decision to not tap out.
“and I don't even know how he had him wrapped up he had like an arm in between a leg like bruh squeezed up yeah I don't even know what they call that thing Cobra, Python, something.”
Introduction to Steelers Top 10 List
29:45 to 30:38
Introduction and rankings of the top 10 Steelers players of all time.
“But Steelers Wire, they dropped the top 10 greatest Steelers of all time.”
Analysis of Steelers Rankings
30:38 to 32:34
Debate on the rankings and criteria for judging Steelers players.
“But I feel like, uh, it, it, it may be some areas where it could, uh, it could, it could adjust, I would say.”
Analysis of Steelers Rankings
35:11 to 35:39
Debate on the rankings and criteria for judging Steelers players.
“You've never been one to settle, stand down, or stand still.”
Continuing the Steelers Rankings Debate
36:36 to 42:00
Further discussion on the Steelers rankings and player comparisons.
“Do you make those Super Bowls mean more than his individual stats and what he did?”
Ranking the All-Time Great Steelers
42:00 to 46:22
Discussing the top 10 Steelers players and their impact on the team.
“So this is where I have some honorable, if this goes modern, more like, if I just think of people that I've seen eye test that I think can make this list.”
The Challenge of Ranking Greatness
46:22 to 48:45
Exploring the difficulties in ranking athletes from different eras.
“Because if you rank, like you said, when you totally.”
Personal Connections to Players
48:45 to 51:42
Sharing personal anecdotes about favorite players and their impact.
“Like, dude, like how we ain't even got Len Swann on here?”
Personal Connections to Players
52:56 to 54:53
Sharing personal anecdotes about favorite players and their impact.
“Grainger knows when you're a procurement manager for an office park, you're not managing one building.”
Transcript
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4:10Welcome back to this episode of Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like, subscribe, and download where you get your show. How you doing today, Joe?
4:24James Harrison:Doing great, brother Debo. Doing great. Great weekend. You know what I'm saying? Had a blast. Dropped the kids off today. They just started a little summer camp. Football. Okay. Camp of Commanders. Football camp. Flag football jump. So, yeah. Feeling good. Feeling good. Feeling real good. That's good. That's good. Look here, brother. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Well, anyway, people didn't know, but hey, we were going to go fishing. Yes, we were. We had a surprise set up for y 'all. We was going to go fishing tomorrow. We was going to be live on Lake Erie out there. Yes. On the lake, in the land, walleye fishing.
5:03James Harrison:Get Joe up out there, get him some walleye fishing. That's why I got my bucket hat on right now, because this is what I was bringing out there. Listen, the problem, it's a problem. It's going to be a problem. Tomorrow's going to be a problem. Yes. Around the time we supposed to go, they talking about 30-mile-an-hour wind. Listen, if y 'all don't know nothing about Lake Erie, you don't want to be out there. No, no, no. And nothing, you know, that small. And, I mean, it's not considered small. You know, it's probably like maybe 20-something, 26, 28, something like that feet. Okay. Like here, you don't want to be out there in 30-mile-an-hour winds, so you would have went fishing.
5:43If we went there, you would have never went fishing again in your life. I appreciate you, Deebo.
5:48James Harrison:I appreciate you because I need my first experience out there on that boat to be nice and smooth so we can be chilling, you know what I'm saying, showing me the way, and I don't have to be worried about getting thrown off. You know what I'm saying? That would have... No. You know what I'm saying? I appreciate you, brother. When you sent that text this morning, I was like, come on. I got my hat. I'm ready to go. I know Deebo got me, but I appreciate you because you know my travel, the boats and everything be going crazy. Thank you, my brother. Yeah. Thank you, my brother. Captain hit me up this morning.
6:21He said, hey, tomorrow ain't going to be it. They got a small boat advisory. That means if you ain't out there on something that ain't like 40, 50, 60, 70, 80. Yeah, yeah. They got rogue waves out there, man.
6:33James Harrison:Nope. We ain't, see, we, nope. 30 foot boat, chill. 30 mile an hour winds, I ain't got time. You ain't got time for that, man. I ain't got time for that, D-Bow. I'm telling you, I've been out there when it was like 15, man. Hey, some of them things kick over, a little splash over the top, you know what I'm saying? A little splash over the top. You got to make sure you stand up under that thing, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, that's for me. If it was 15, I ain't going to lie to you. I might have had to stretch you out there, though. The 15-mile-an-hour win? I might have had to stretch you out there.
7:01I ain't going to lie.
7:02James Harrison:I ain't going to lie. You might have had to take a chance. Debo, I'm— Damn. I know you are avid Fisher. You do this. So I'm trusting in you to bring me when we can go do it, when the elements are right. We go get it. We go get it together. We'll set up another time. We'll set up another time to see if it don't work out, you know? I got some good news, though, Debo. What you got? We won. You know I told you my team. We won. At least we won last game. Who did y 'all play, though? Man, don't worry. We played another team in the league. We played another team in the league. Did they have a win before they played y 'all?
7:38James Harrison:Nope. Exactly. I knew it. I knew it had to be so. Look. Listen, my intuition is good. But look, I'm going to keep it honest with you. They was on two. We was on two. But we were still. We won by seven. We balled out. We lost. This is the only seven. So they the most trash, y 'all the second most trash in the league is what it come down to. Until we play the next team that has another win. Deebo, why are you always worried about the wins? We played a team yesterday, you asked me did we win, and I wanted to let you know we won. Okay, but I want to know the quality of the win too. It's still early in the season.
8:17James Harrison:So some teams only played two games. So they was on two and we was on two. But I know you done looked at who they played. Who did they play? Okay, they played. See? Yeah, they played two teams. One of the teams they played, we haven't played. And the team that they played. So that's another loss for y 'all. Then who else? And another team they played, we did play. Okay, so y 'all got one more loss coming from a team that they played that you didn't play. How bad they beat them? I thought they beat them by like 30. No, only like 13. Oh. Only 13? Y 'all beat them by seven. We beat them by seven.
8:50That played to a loss for me.
8:52James Harrison:Because it's sad. No, because it's sad. And then y 'all lose to them by six. This is what I'm realizing too. This is what I'm realizing too, though. It is legit. I want to give prayers out to one of my players, D-Bo. Because it is legit. It's real out there. What happened? What happened? One of my men. He done blew his Achilles, brother. Bruh. I told y 'all had your old ass out there like y 'all playing, bro. My man Pitt. But shout out to Pitt. Yes, man. He know because he played football. Shout out prayers out, man. He played for Illinois back in the day. He knew he was going with a calf strain.
9:20James Harrison:So, yeah. Shout out to Pitt. Out there playing, already playing hurt. He was already out there. He was already nursing. He was already nursing. So that's what made it even worse. So shout out to Pitt. But shout out to my brother Ziggy. He went out there and gave us 30 yesterday. He looked like Tracy McGrady. He dropped 30. He dropped 30. My brother Ziggy dropped 30. He's still only going by six. That's crazy.
9:45James Harrison:Don't worry about it. What you get, Joe? Me? I had about 15. I had 15. I had 15. I knew it. I had 15. I had 15. I had 15. I had 15. Yeah. My man, yeah, for sure. Was it a double-double or was it just you just shooting? No, that's why I only had 15. I had 15 and like 12 assists. I was running. I was getting everybody involved. For the 30, I gave him at least five of those assists. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I was creating out there, D-Bo. I'm getting my legs back up under me. My hips are good. My legs are feeling better. I'm doing, you know what I'm saying, stretching, dry niggling.
10:21James Harrison:So, I'm feeling good. Oh, you back to dry needling? I'm back to dry needling. Okay. Okay, so that hip done got right. You ain't got the hip better, at least. It ain't janky as hell. I almost dunked. Buddy thought I was going to dunk on him when I came through last time. Buddy thought. I went here. You knew you wasn't, though. And then I turned it. I knew I wasn't going to dunk, but he didn't know that. Yeah. He didn't know that. He's like, oh, you could have dunked. He took off. I ain't going to sit there, but... He said, oh, you could have dunked that. I was like this, yeah. Yeah, I just wanted to lay it up.
10:44James Harrison:I ain't really going to dunk it, though.
10:51up with that bullshit.
10:55People, you ain't, you know. You got your fans over there playing hurt. Just trying to get a win. Now you got him blowing his, speaking of playing hurt. Hey, Joe.
11:04James Harrison:Yes. Did you happen to see how that Conor McGregor fight went out? Did. You see, did you watch it? Brother, did I? So, the crazy part was I tried to, I was watching the soccer game, Argentina, and then with the fight was kind of happening around the same time. I was watching. I ended up trying to watch both and ended up both of them watching me. And I woke up at 3 o 'clock in the morning sitting on the damn couch. But then I ended up watching it on a, I like went to the highlights. Okay. And I watched the whole fight because it was a minute and 30 seconds, Debo. So I didn't miss too much of nothing.
11:41James Harrison:I woke up like, oh, what happened? And your boy came in the joint with the flying knee kick already buckling. What was that? Yo. Do you think he was already hurt? I'm trying to tell you. That's what I was going to get into being already hurt, Joe. Now, listen. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Like, exactly. Like, you know, what was going down. How it went. But I know I did see him in the back. They had him on camera. Yeah. With his warm-ups. He didn't look like he was hurt then. Okay. I'm just saying. Now, again, five years, bro. Now, you taking five years and then you go, bro. I took off five months.
12:30It was five months. I was still working out, but I wasn't working out like I was getting ready for a season, bro. Yes. Okay. And when I came back, I was, though, after the first practice, I'm sitting up there and I'm like, ooh, maybe this was not a good idea. That was practice one, bro. I done took like two, three T-shouts for the week, bro, just to get through. Yeah. Bro, I'm down bad. Down bad, bro. And now he took off five years, came back. Like, your body ain't ready for that, dude. D-Bo. Not even warmed up. But a thousand percent.
13:05James Harrison:And this is what I'm going to say, too. Conor McGregor, once he ended up doing that fight with Floyd, he ended up getting the bag and like taking that. That hunted? That hunted. When you start traveling on, he's on the yachts and he's doing the stuff. Oh, five million. He got his little scotch company in business. He's making money. And that's what he, kudos to him. Because when he was the best of the best, he's working out and training every single day. Because you're fighting. You get bopped upside your head. Like, bro, it's not a game. Like, those dudes, Max, the dude that he fought, they fought the last fight.
13:41James Harrison:I was trying to see, like, oh, was it a couple? It was 13 years ago was the first time they fought. And Conor McGregor beat him. And then he fought a couple more times. Conor McGregor still got hot. That was 2013. He hasn't fought since, he hasn't won since 2020. You know what I'm saying? And then in 2021, he got KO'd Conor McGregor. And in 2021, another fight, he got KO'd. Then he took the break. So now I'm like, and I'm looking at him like, the energy and the stamina that you have to have with the training. It's like, you can't really, the liquor and like all that. You have to literally be like, when I was looking at him, when he was younger in his career, just the way he was moving, the way that he was just locked in.
14:19James Harrison:Because when you're doing that, you got to be like completely like a little ninja. I was like, oh my gosh, he's not getting tired. But the older you get, the more like when you're energy and you start drinking and you start doing your whiskey stuff, you got a hundred million dollars, you just politicking. And now you're like, oh yeah, I'm about to go to train and I'm about to go fight. I'm like, Max has not stopped since 2013. He's fighting real dudes. He might not win all of them, but he's not playing. He's going in this joint, KOing dudes, and he might get KO'd because he's fighting for the belt versus other dudes that are so official that they'll walk around and murder anyone.
14:56James Harrison:So I'm like, Conor McGregor, you had that murder when you was younger, you was chilling. All respect, you got 100 mil, and now you're walking into this joint in the ring versus another trained killer, and you got us to thinking that it's going to be what it was. Who was thinking? I wasn't thinking. I wasn't thinking, but the way that he was talking and the way that like, just, I mean, I looked at him like, okay, but in my mind, I'm like this. Conor McGregor, when his last couple of fights I saw five years ago, he still was starting to lose a little bit of like that. Because you got the brain. You don't have that energy.
15:27James Harrison:You don't have that stamina. He got that paper, that drive. That stamina, bro. I'm going to hunt it now. Once you start getting tired out there, there's nothing you can do. You start, can your hands start falling down? Like I was like, that's what Conor had. He had the energy. He was spry, moving. You're 37 with the bag. You're coming back into the joint. And then when he did land, that knee joint, it looked crazy. Last time I seen him, his knee buckled. So it's like you're not coming. The knee is not that, I don't know, it's not that strong. You can't do the flying ninja kick. That ain't the same knee.
15:59James Harrison:I think that's the other knee. Any knee. Or same leg or whatever. That joint just looked crazy. Don't come in there. No, it was going to look as expected. I would hope that it was going to look better because I love Conor. The official language of football is trash talk, late night group chats, memes, and unbelievable highlight clips. That's why Boost Mobile brings you our new global connection plan. The first plan ever made for WhatsApp. Get unlimited data, talk and text, international roaming, and calls to over 100 countries for just$40 a month. $40 price includes$5 a month auto pay discount.
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18:41James Harrison:Visit capella.edu to learn more. McGregor, I like the way he's fighting, but I'm like, the math's not math. You didn't think he was going to win. I did not think he was going to win. No, no, no. I ain't going to lie to you. When I first heard it, I thought it was fake. I ain't going to come in there with the flying kick and buckle the joint off the rip. I didn't think they was going to, like, five years off. I'm like, he about to actually fight Max. I'm like, this ain't real. Ain't no way. Like, they think he really go give him something. I'm like, nah, that ain't. And then, hell, what was it?
19:08A few weeks later, I'm like, oh, shit, it is real. It's real.
19:12James Harrison:Literally, I found out about it on Monday. I was like, oh, he's fighting this Saturday. Yes. Damn, okay. It was like two weeks. I was like, two weeks. I'm like, it's a fight. It's a fight. It's real. I'm like, it's right. Not next July. This July. Right. Out of nowhere. Yes, bro. So I was hoping for the best. That's what I told you, Joe. You was like, could you ever, could you come back and do that? I said, man, I need a whole year of actual football preparation to get ready for one game. One game, Joe. And I already know in my heart and soul, man, I feel it in my heart and soul. I'm going to tear up something.
19:50Immediately. Immediately off the bar. First time I got to move 100 miles an hour and stop and go. Bruh, it's something coming loose.
19:59James Harrison:Because I'm even... I ain't built like that no more, Joe. No, sir. No, sir. And it's all good. And it's all good. They be like, James, you look good. You look great. I say, yes. That's all I'm going for is the look. And the thing is now too... Be on that field. They going to put... They going to put that feeling to me. They going to put their disc beaters on me, man. They going to have their hands on me. I'm going to be out there doing this. I can't even get them up off me. That reality strike. And we like this. Debo, hold the gap. I can't. Hold the gap. What you mean? I can't. I can't. My knee just buckled.
20:27My ankle, I think it might have just sprained. Trust me. Hold the gap.
20:32James Harrison:Trust me. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. And that's when I'm telling you, like, when the age starts happening, when we see, like, Mike Tyson, I was telling you, Debo, no matter what, the age going to hit his ass. I can't. Yes. I understand what you're saying now. I understand what you're saying now. You know what I'm saying now? But I saw him practicing. No matter how much you feel, you saw him. this. You saw that in a, what's that thing called? In the little reel. In the little reel. It's actually, it's actually keep going. He did it one time and it showed it seven times. Listen, he ain't even give me that one time.
21:09Give me that one time.
21:11James Harrison:That's no, man. That's no, no, no. Ain't no way. These, the old heads, me, myself, I'm talking to myself here too, because I'm playing an over 35 league and I'm trying to get my glory right. Just because I want to be healthy. Not because I know I can't come back and play versus nobody that can really, really play. I'm just trying to get cardio. You're playing in a real league. I'm trying to get cardio. Me and my boys, everybody out here trying to get cardio. No, you want to get cardio. Take your ass to the gym and get on the machine. It's safe. You don't tear your ACL or your Achilles. That's going to happen if you just try to burst some way.
21:49You ain't got a burst on the treadmill. It's called cardio. It ain't called burst. steady slow I hear you man
21:58James Harrison:see we need to go see our team y 'all out there still trying to prove like we got a little something these regular Joes they can't really step with us we got this we can do it look here man stop it it's not about them I'm not going in there for them I'm doing it for me I'm doing it for me not to prove nothing I just like ball I just want to run with the homies It's like I'm just, like we just had a pickup game. You can't just do a pickup league? That's what it is, basically. No, I'm just saying like a pickup game, a regular pickup game, not even a league, just a regular pickup game. Why it got to be a league?
22:35James Harrison:Because I like to have referees there. I'm not trying to be fouling. I don't want nobody fouling me. Just so it's more, you know what I'm saying? Boom. We get there. We got refs. We got people keeping how many points you get. It's just more like, okay, it's a legit league. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Yes. Let me ask you. You can respect that. I can, but I can't. How do your boy feel about the league that he joined in now that he's sitting over there torn Achilles? He is worth it now. I would have still been. You know what? Probably. Probably. You know, what do he do for work? What do he do for work? he's going to be okay for work.
23:24James Harrison:He's going to be okay for work. Okay.
23:30James Harrison:So if you do it, it's good with you. It's a trade-off. Right. I mean, that's what I said. I'm praying for no injury, but yes. That's what I signed up for. And he went out there already hurt, knowing, like, yo, I'm already, I'm strained up already. Matter of fact, they think that Conor was strained up already. You seen how he took them shoes off? He did it for the love of the camaraderie. That's what I'm on. I'm saying, man, they said Conor was already hurt. Did you see how he took them shoes off? Yeah, he looked. He did. His knee looked a little gimpy. I've seen the thing where it was another one.
24:07James Harrison:But you said at the beginning of the two, when he was in his training room at the beginning, when he was kicking the bag. He was giving it. It looked like it. Now look here. It looked solid. It looked solid. They cut out. Now, look, I ain't saying, I'm just saying anything's possible. But they cut, they ain't going to show the whole thing. Now, say he's doing that, and now he go and do it, and on one of them, it's like, oh, boop, oh shit. Ah, I feel something. Okay? They didn't see that one because it wasn't on camera. Now, if you're him, I'm not going to tell somebody that I just did something to my knee right before I go out on the fight.
24:48especially if I don't know if it's all the way gone, like he could have did something to it and it wasn't all the way gone yet. And you see, once he did what he did and it was all the way gone, he was limping out there. So I think it's a possibility that he might've did something to it in the back before he came out practicing while he was practicing in the back. And then when he did that first kick, he totally just ruptured the whole thing because you got to think about it, dude, like this is first time back. Like you said, He just got put to sleep the last two times. It's been a five year. He can't go out here and say, oh, I just, I was in the back warming up and I might have strained my knee.
25:26He got to go out there. You got, yeah, for sure.
25:30James Harrison:And at the end of the day, he was going, he's, he's, he is a performer and he didn't want to go out there. He's not going to go out there and say that his leg was hurt. No question, bro. You can't, especially right as it's going out. Like, it's going to get paid. Hey, I wasn't going to say that. But I ain't going to let that money go, Joe. Man, he ain't letting that money go. If that thing tweaked up, he going to get in that ring. Yes. I'm going to tear it off the bone. I'm going to tear it off the bone. I'm going to do it for the fans. I'm going to do it for the whole other game. That's what I'm calling you.
26:05James Harrison:You're going to fool me once because people want to see Conor McGregor. I was ready to see him instantly. Would have bought it. Same thing with Mike Tyson, the older, when they start getting up there. but you're wanting to hopefully see the flash. But I'm like, the knee and just the antiness, the stamina. Hey, man, keep Mike Tyson out your mouth. No, I'm putting Tyson in there because you keep on saying that he, I'm like this, yep, that's the same thing that's happening. Stop talking about Mike Tyson, bro, I'm going to lose it. And I like Iron Mike, but I'm just saying, we don't need to see him in the ring no more.
26:35James Harrison:I understand that. We don't need to see Conor in the ring no more because you're going to say to go see him go over another person that's ready to take a belt. but Conor's not ready for a belt, but his name is going to get him to not come in there, fight a young, somebody that's just chill. No, we only want to see Conor fight the best. And then he knows he's going to be able to draw that. So he's going to get paid to walk in there and do a minute 30. That's what I'm saying. So like for us, it's more, I don't know. Like, are we going to go pay to see Mike Tyson go out there again? I'm going to say it because we want to see Iron Mike and who we going to feed?
27:08James Harrison:Who we going to butt? I ain't, I ain't no Mike. Man, that just, that just, That just hurt me. That hurt me. I was expecting to see at least, you know, getting one of them things, you know. Like, one of them, uh-uh-uh, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. You know what I'm saying? Like, just throw it. Man. I'm sorry. You know how it is, man. The training segments can look sweet for flashes. But as soon as that camera cuts off, are they, when they're gasping for air, we're not sitting there watching. Like, you know, now your arm's getting down. Now you're tired. now you get hit in the face hey man you see what's the dude's name Patty Patty P you see what he did to Benoit what was it Benoit St.
27:53Dennis or something nah bruh bruh he choked that man out in like less than a minute see like less than a minute and I don't even know how he had him wrapped up he had like an arm in between a leg like bruh squeezed up yeah I don't even know what they call that thing Cobra, Python, something. I don't even know what they call that. Wrapped up fast, bro. Nothing he can do.
28:16James Harrison:Tapped out one minute. No. No. He ain't tap out. He ain't tap out? What happened? Hey, he said, I'm going out on my shield. He let him choke him all the way out. Until he passed out. Passed out. Yep. Ref had to do the arm. Like in wrestling. Boom. Hey. Oh. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah, he definitely. He ain't. He ain't. You going to let him choke you out or you going to tap out? Which one you going to do, Joe? I mean, I've been in that gator joint, so you know, I'm going to sleep. I'm just wake up. Hey, I'm going to wake up. I got to go to sleep. I got to go to sleep. I got to go to sleep. I got to go to sleep.
28:50You fighting for the last one. Listen, unless he got me, unless he got one of my limbs and something, and it's about to break - And he about to break my elbow? I got to go to sleep, Joe. I cannot tap. I can't tap. I can't tap. Right? I just can't. I just can't. Like, uh, yeah. Brother. Break my arm. Break your arm. No. You're going to let him break your arm? No, not break my arm. I said, I'm tapping.
29:20James Harrison:I'm tapping, tapping. You're going to let him choke you out, but you ain't going to let him break none? Yes. I ain't letting you break none. I ain't going to let him break none. I ain't going to wake up. I can't get back out there then. Get him off me. I'm just fighting, fighting, fighting. I'm sleeping. I can't be sleeping for long. And that's the thing. They'd be scared. They'd be like, man, what happens if he keeps choking? I'm like, man, you know how long you got to choke somebody to make sure they pass away. Like, you got to choke them after they pass out for like at least another minute or two.
29:41I know. I didn't. Anyway, the Steelers. What do you got? I didn't say nothing. But Steelers Wire, they dropped the top 10 greatest Steelers of all time. And the list goes, I'm going to start at 10 and go down to one. Okay. After I get through with that, we're going to rap about this. Okay. Ten, they got Franco Harris. Nine, Lambert, Jack Lambert. Eight, Terry Bradshaw. Seven, Troy. Six, Mike Webster. Five, Mel Blunt. Four, Rod Woodson. Three, Jack Hamm. Two, Ben Roethlisberger. And one, Mean Joe Green. Now,
30:24all right. So, this is what I want to know. How do you feel about this list? So, my thing is this. Everybody on this list could be on this list. Yes. I ain't mad at none of this. That's the thing. I ain't mad at everybody's list don't gotta be the same. Right. But I feel like, uh, it, it, it may be some areas where it could, uh, it could, it could adjust, I would say. So for me, I'm not going to take, I'm not going to take anybody off the list. I think I would just, I think I would just rearrange maybe, you know, some of it because when you, I don't know, when you look at it and you think about it if it's like how are you like ranking these you know how are you ranking these guys like how are you ranking you know the greatest like is it ranked on their um like their numbers stats whatever it may be is it ranked on individual accolades right is it ranked on team accolades yes so like with that you know my thing is at one me and Joe Green I ain't got no problem with that.
31:32James Harrison:I think that goes unanimous with a lot of people. Okay. You? You good with that one? Yeah, I'm good with that. Okay. So we got Ben at two. Again, I'm not tripping on anybody on this list. Like, if we talking, you know, numbers, and when I look at this list, if we're talking numbers, you got Bradshaw at an eight, then Ben's numbers are far better than Bradshaw's as far as individual numbers. but again are we talking like team accolades are we talking championships you know it's a different list or order for me if you go matter of fact if we just go championships that that's that's the thing it's because they're going to either go championships or individual players like when you see this person who's better than the other person no matter if you bring if you brought some Super Bowls, I think that adds on.
32:26James Harrison:That obviously adds on. So my thing is this. I'm going Super Bowls, Joe. Let's go straight Super Bowl. Where are you list at? With straight Super Bowl. I'm cool with me and Joe at one. Because you have two quarterbacks on here. If you're doing Super Bowls, then you... If you're doing Super Bowls, I'm going to switch. I'm going to switch B and the two. I mean, switch B and the eight, carry the two. See, that's... when you rank players though Debo and you when you rank players just just for you this is where it comes where people always like um the the the the you media can say like if they they won Super Bowls but you were the individual player you you were a player on the team where it's like do you say somebody like Terry Bradshaw and Big Ben are the perfect examples for us to state when we say Ben's stats, his numbers and everything, he only had one Super Bowl.
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37:22So I gotta move Woody out of there. I gotta move Woodson out of there. So I got Mr. Green. I got Terry Bradshaw. Then I got Jack Lambert, Jack Hamm, or Hamm and Lambert. however you want to look at that. Either way it go. I'm cool with that. From there, from there, I'm going to go I'm going to go Blunt. That's easy. Blunt's right there at five already.
37:48James Harrison:Yes. But we got Blunt at five right there.
37:55I'm going to go Franco, Webster,
38:02I got Ben at eight,
38:07Troy Woodson okay based on the winning of championships
38:19I don't think Woody won a championship so I think he would be at 10 you see what I'm saying I'm not taking nobody off this list keeping everybody on this list because they could be on this list depending on how you see them, but I'm ranking them based on championships. Okay.
38:40James Harrison:And say, okay, I got you. Let's go individual. I want you to rank now just best players in Steeler history, just individual talent. Okay. Again, we're going on individual talent. Yes. If that's the case,
39:05I mean, sorry. Mr. Green? One, I'm not tripping on that. That's just what it's going to be. You know, me and Joe Green is who I'm talking about. But I call him Mr. Green. You know what I'm saying? Put some respect. You understand? When you talk about him, you call him Mr. Green. My bad, my bad. Mr. Green. Mr. Green. All right. All right. Now, from there... This is where it goes to... I'm going to keep... I'm going to keep... See, I'm here's the issue. So. Based on, I would say.
39:45We're talking talent, but like like like it's just like I see I'm have a hard time with not putting. Ham or Lambert there and then Ben. I think that's because I'm a defensive player. You know what I'm saying?
40:05James Harrison:Yeah, and Debo, this thing is, there's so many great players that this list, it's pick your poison. You know what I'm saying? You don't have to make somebody else bad or somebody else, like put nobody else down to put somebody else up. That's a difficult list. All of these dudes are Hall of Fame. But here, I tell you what, because I can't take nobody off. That's where I'm at. That's okay. So listen, Ben got to stay where he at then. I would say, I would say.
40:41Oh, man, this is a hard one, bro.
40:47One is easy. It's just hard because of Terry and Ben. Like, am I going to keep, am I going to keep like, you know, Ben where he's at or switch it? Like, yeah.
41:04Talent, I got to keep Ben where he's at. I'm going to do that. I'm cool with Ham being there. I'm going to have to flip.
41:15James Harrison:This is what you got to look at too, Debo. When you got this, you got defense alignment. So you got Mr. Green. You know what I'm saying? You got, then they got some, you got Ben. So you got quarterbacks on here. You got two quarterbacks. We got Jack Lambert. We got, and Jack Hamm. So we got Lyman. Lambert and Hamm, dude. That's like, you know, they roll together. Yeah. Okay. That's what I'm saying. Then we got DBs. We got Rod Woodson and Mel Blunt. So we got basically safety and corner.
41:51James Harrison:and then so and then for the linemen right now we looks like we have one so we have Mike Webster as the best lineman so when you add I'm gonna have to throw I'm gonna have to throw Mike all the way to 10 just because of the position you know what let me start backwards I think I could do it better that way Mike at 10
42:13Franco Franco at 9
42:24Terry and Ben are going to be 8-2 however you want to do that that's how it's going to do but my 8-2 is taken by two quarterbacks Ben is going to put Ben at the 2 even though Terry got four championships them championships it's hard to do but dude but like you know Ben he going to go out there he going to give you what he going to give you He go run around. He go get that, like, oh, bro.
42:53James Harrison:Who do you think? So if I, I got some, I got some. So this is where I have some honorable, if this goes modern, more like, if I just think of people that I've seen eye test that I think can make this list. There is AB comes to mind. TJ Watt comes to mind. Mm-hmm. you come to mind and Mike Pouncey comes to mind. When I think about Marquise Pouncey. Marquise, yeah. Marquise Pouncey comes to mind when I think about centers. Just about all the years, straight Pro Bowls, straight All-Pros, consistency. You know what I'm saying? He played probably 12, 11 years. He went probably 10 years to the Pro Bowl.
43:36James Harrison:It was just straight. So, like, Pouncey is one of my guys. So, with my list, when I'm looking at, I didn't know Mike Webster. I don't know. So when I'm looking at my young list and I'm thinking of the Steelers, I'm like, Marquise Pouncey is up there as one of my all-time great centers for Pittsburgh Steelers. He was there with Ben, you know what I'm saying, during Marquise Pouncey's career, his quarterback was Ben the entire time. And they had success together. It wasn't ever Pouncey's fault. He was out there. Ironman really would do what he had to do, constant professional. We went to school.
44:09James Harrison:He did that in Florida and did the same thing from Florida to go straight to the league. So with him, I always have a little spot in my heart. I'm like, man, I can't forget. Don't forget about Pounce. That was unbelievable. I got drafted first round, went to the Steelers and did what he had to do for his whole career. You know what I'm saying? Like grown man stuff. AB is, there's no receivers on them. Ain't none. They're all time great. So I'm like this, got to be more careful. And I know when they say the rings knock down the greatness of these dudes. But I'm like, when I look at individual and I'm like, it was like it wasn't Pouncey's fault.
44:44James Harrison:And like I said with A.B., the talent on that field and his numbers are undeniable. That streak of when he was going 100 yards, 100 catches and over 1500 yards and just tutting it. And then special teams, you know what I'm saying? He's a spark plug where I was working. When I was playing for the Browns, I'm like, God, I got A.B. And I knew what time it was. Him and Ben, they was working together. Boom, boom. Like, it was just amazing. And so Antonio Brown never want to put down on what he did. TJ Watt, sack numbers. You know what I'm saying? Just like everybody's stuff is in it. But numbers, he got the most sacks.
45:19James Harrison:Like he's still out there doing it. And it's right now he had a down year, but TJ's been doing nothing but being the best version of himself. I'm saying leading by example, being a consistent professional stays. You don't hear about TJ. You know what I'm saying? Unless he got hurt. Stay out the way. He stays out the way. He does his job. He's a lunch pail, brings it to the job. So with them, then Debo, you, you know what I'm saying? I made stats and just what you brought, the undrafted, that grind, that still grown man not being cocky, you know what I'm saying? Balling out Super Bowl in the championship, making big plays when they mattered.
45:52James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? Like real live, you did that. So then you, and so that's with, those are when I'm like, sometimes the championships, those are a couple of players I would put in there. And then some just like, and it's not, who can like knock and, I'm not trying to knock like. Right. I can say I didn't see them play. I didn't, you know what I'm saying? Like more just, I didn't see it more. My era, my guys and their numbers and what I've seen them do. I'm like, is, is that's, that it was, it was unbelievable. So I would just put those, those guys in there too. Yeah. I understand what you're saying.
46:23And my thing is, man, it's hard. It's really hard. Well, you, but. Because if you rank, like you said, when you totally. Now. Now, most athletes now are faster and stronger. That's just what it is, dude. Time has made these athletes faster and stronger than a lot of these guys back then. And then I'll say it's guys on the list, though, like, hey, they could still touch this era. Mr. Green and his prime, he could touch this era. That's no question about it. Yes. And survive, thrive. Thrive. Thrive. Okay.
47:02James Harrison:you know and bro yeah it's just hard to even and this is the thing too debout it makes it a lot for for the steelers and just for organizational wise when you've had when you have players on teams that had that success and have won super it's like i can't put a guy that didn't over a guy that did so that that makes complete sense you know what i'm saying so when you say steelers all-time greats, there's Super Bowl champions and they have, there's titles with this. You know what I'm saying? Holy stats. There's titles with it. That's what we are known for. We are known for winning championships, okay?
47:42When you walk into our upstairs, what's the first thing you see when you cross through them doors, Joe? You see them Lombardi sitting right there? You see the Bardi. You see the Bardi sitting right there. What's the first thing that goes through your mind if you see them? I want to get one. I want to be on there. I want to put one in that case, dude. When you get off the airport. It's hard to take that. Like you got guys that's on here with three and four of them things, bruh. It's hard to even
48:05James Harrison:leave them anywhere. No, because they deserve it. They deserve it. They came and did the ultimate goal. So that's why they shit a thousand percent. That's why the list. That'd be long. That'd be long. Listen man, it don't matter who you put on this list. It's going to be right. And you're going to be wrong. You're going to be right and you're going to be wrong because somebody is going to tell you not. What about bruh? And you're going to be like this. You damn right. You know what you need to do? To hell with the top 10 greatest. Just go with the greatest Steelers. Not top this or that. Don't put no numbers on that because it's too much that could be like too much adjustments in there.
48:44Like you said, AB, I'm 100%. Like 100%, you know? Like, dude, like how we ain't even got Len Swann on here? Again, back in that era, that's Len Swann. He that dude. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Like, Lil' Woldy, he was that dude. How's that dude? How I caught the ball and put him to sleep. How Bussy ain't on here?
49:11James Harrison:Bussy. Bussy that dude. That's when you go to running backs. It's just so much, man. When you look at it, it's just so much, man. You're going to have to have running backs on there and you're going to have two running backs. You're going to take off Franco and put on Jerome or you're going to have Rome and Franco and then who else you're going to take off? I don't know, bro. Like, you got, like, even when you go to linemen, bro. Like, Helen Faneke, bro. People forget Helen Faneke, bro. Mm-hmm. Dog. Whole thing. Yeah. Like. Ooh, man. It's just a lot of play. Listen, man. Ham ain't even on here, man.
49:43James Harrison:I know Ham's not on that. Big Ham. Stop playing, bro. I looked at that. I looked at another. They had the lift. Stop playing, man. How big Ham ain't up there, man? Throw the horns up. The list from this, from, that's what I'm saying. 11 to 20 is doing all these people that you're trying. It can't be 10, bro. I'm done with this. This list ain't... No, it is, Debo. It is. It is. That's why I'm saying... Who is the 10, man? Everybody's list could be 100 % different. That's why it's okay. Because it's your opinion. It's who you like and who you think is the greatest and did the impact for you. So, Mike, all these players, when you get the arguing greatness, you feel like you've got to put down some...
50:22James Harrison:How am I going to lift up somebody else to put somebody down? them, but it's just who you like. It's on your opinion, who you saw. You have a connection with them. And them Super Bowls don't hurt. Them Super Bowls, bro. Don't hurt. Like, who did the steel curtain, bro? What are you talking about? The steel curtain with the steel curtain. We was Blitzburg. We was Blitzburg. Like, bro. Yeah. I'm going to look like Mel Blunt changed the game to that press coverage at the DB, and then you got Rob Rice. Bro, James Ferry. He has 72 picks. James Ferry. Lawrence Timmons, man. No, for sure. Like, JG, man.
51:01Jason Gilden. Bruh. Lloyd. Gray Lloyd, man. What we talking about? Kevin Green.
51:08James Harrison:Now, you just... Oh, man, bro. You're going to have to sit down and really sit down and think and put it down.
51:18James Harrison:Because it's who do you like. It's personal opinions. That's why I'm always with the... You can't let nobody's waver. who you like. So when you write down your list... Boy, Greg Lloyd was my go-to. Like, when I finally gave up them losers over there in Cleveland and went to Pittsburgh, that was my dude, Greg Lloyd. You gave up what? What? You said what? When I was a fan of Cleveland. When I gave up, when I was, you know, when I said, hey, I had to give up childish things and become a man. And they left and went to Baltimore and then they fought to keep those doo-doo brown colors. that's when I was like, I'm out of here.
51:56I can't keep doing childish things and living in childish ways. I got to grow up. I got to be a man. And I became a Pittsburgh Stiller fan. Gotcha. Yeah. Okay. Joe Stiller ain't grew up. All right, Debo. I'm just saying. I was just asking. I'm not saying.
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