Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Deebo TROLLS Cavs! Browns Hectic OTAs, Steelers RB1 Battle

25 May 2026 · 47 min · 14 chapters

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In short

Memorial Day greetings; NBA Eastern Conference Finals talk—Cleveland Cavaliers losing Game 3 to the New York Knicks and debate over effort/defense and a coach’s “analytics” comments; then NFL offseason talk—Steelers RB1 usage (Rico Dowdle vs Jalen Warren) and Browns OTAs/quarterback competition (Shador Sanders vs Deshaun Watson) plus Todd Monken’s discipline/penalty approach; brief Joe Burrow offseason involvement comments.

Guests

None. Hosts are James “Deebo” Harrison and Joe Hayden.

Guest backgrounds

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Key claims

Cavs lost due to poor defensive effort and letting Jalen Brunson get easy layups; coach shouldn’t say “we should be up 2-1 analytically” when down 0-3; Browns media questions about QB lead are repetitive and Monken is frustrated; Monken’s “zero tolerance” penalties and reload-after-penalty approach creates accountability; Steelers could use Warren more on third downs but both backs should be every-down options.

Notable examples

Brunson free layups in Game 3; Cavs being down 10–12 then failing to stop scoring runs; Browns OTAs: false starts/penalties mean players get pulled; Steelers: Post-Gazette writer idea of Warren as third-down receiving change-of-pace.

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Cavs vs. Knicks Analysis

6:40 to 12:30

Discussing the recent Cavs vs. Knicks games and team performance.

“Even when they playing bad, you know, I'm not going to cry about it.”

Coaching Decisions and Team Spirit

12:30 to 14:01

Analyzing coaching decisions and the team's spirit during playoffs.

“If we're ever up, they go on spurts when they can just score 15, 17 runs and there's nothing that can happen.”

Cavs Coaching Decisions and Team Dynamics

16:34 to 18:45

A discussion on the Cleveland Cavaliers' coaching strategy and player performance.

“I'm saying moving, I'm saying this, moving forward, please don't ever say that again.”

Debating the Future of the Cavaliers

18:46 to 20:39

Analyzing the future prospects of the Cavaliers and the potential return of LeBron James.

“Mitch back, bringing Jared Allen back, bringing Mobley back, and then we're going to work and figure out who we can.”

Fan Perspectives on the Playoffs

20:40 to 22:38

Examining fan sentiments and the rivalry dynamics during the NBA playoffs.

“I was trying to see why he would even say that.”

Comparing Championships: Cavs and Steelers

22:39 to 25:58

A comparison of championship experiences between the Cavaliers and Steelers.

“Because that's all y 'all really about right now is moral victory.”

Steelers RB1 Battle: Dowdle vs. Warren

25:59 to 28:00

Discussion on the competition for the Steelers' running back position between Dowdle and Warren.

“It would have felt better to win the Super Bowl.”

Jalen Warren vs. Rico Dotto: Running Back Dynamics

28:00 to 29:12

Explore the competition and roles of Jalen Warren and Rico Dotto in the Browns' backfield.

“Jalen Warren, he's able to catch the ball better for third downs or whatever.”

Todd Munkin's Press Challenges and Media Training

32:29 to 41:06

Discussion on Todd Munkin's handling of media questions and quarterback dynamics.

“He's coming 100 % every time and he ain't stepping out of bounds.”

Browns OTAs: Expectations and Press Responses

41:07 to 42:05

Analysis of the Browns' OTAs and expectations regarding player performances.

“Like, yo, just keep answering it the same way.”
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Quarterback Competition Insights

42:05 to 44:18

Discussion about the ongoing quarterback competition and coaching strategies.

“Man, I think we have two good quarterbacks and we're in a battle.”

Discipline and Accountability in Football

47:03 to 55:41

A deep dive into the importance of discipline and accountability in football practices.

“You got to start all that jumping off sides.”

Joe Burrow's Involvement and Team Dynamics

55:42 to 56:01

Discussion on Joe Burrow's off-season involvement and the team's dynamics.

“I'm giving you the optics of what it is that will you take the 900, no Super Bowls, or you go and you get a Super Bowl, but you only get 100.”

Deebo's Aspirations and Legacy

56:01 to 59:00

Explore Deebo's thoughts on legacy, success, and football aspirations.

“Maybe if I went and took that$900 million and I turned it into like I was trashing football.”
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4:53Oh, my bad. Hey, hey, hey. How y 'all doing, man? Welcome back. I'm trying to sweep up some stuff. Welcome back to this episode of Debo and Joe, man. We want to thank y 'all for joining us on here. Hold on. I'll get back to it later, man. I got some trash and shit I got to sweep up down here.

5:07James Harrison:Come on, man. But listen here. We want to start off by first saying, hey, Happy New World Day. We want to thank all the people, men, women, that have served our great country and allow us to do what we're doing right now, man. Yes. And you know what I'm saying? giving us these freedoms that we enjoy and the sacrifices that they made, their families made. We're thankful for that. Memorial Day, Joe. Here's the crazy thing, Joe. Debo, it's Memorial Day. Somebody called me. Don't you do it. Don't you do it. Somebody called me, chat, and they said, you know it's Memorial Day? I'm like, yeah. Well, we ain't doing nothing.

5:56We ain't got to show nothing. Right. What's going on, Joe? Yeah. We talked about this Friday. I know. How you was going to be 2-1, going to the game to set it 2-2. And that ain't what happened, Joe. How you going to come with the, oh, I didn't even know we had a show. I had to cancel this. I had to cancel. Joe.

6:21James Harrison:Like you said, it's more your day is more important things than, you know what I'm saying? Look here, look at, hey, hey, welcome back to this episode of Deebo and Joe. Please make sure you guys like, subscribe, and download where you get your podcasts. I'm your host, James Deebo Harrison. I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Hey, how you doing today, Joe? It's not too good, Deebo. Not too good. Not too good. What happened, Joe? We lost again. We lost again. Knicks came into the crib. Game three got us out of the way. What happened? What went on? I mean, what was so difficult? I mean, there's probably...

7:14James Harrison:It wasn't really that... This is what I kind of realized. Okay. I'm loving my team. I'm loving the Cavs. Look, we've made it this far. Debo, I do love the Cavs. That is not something I like a lot. I do love the Cavs. I have a genuine, I love them. That's my squad. And that's what, you know what? Even when they playing bad, you know, I'm not going to cry about it. There are only four teams left in the whole thing right now. And we're one of the squads. Oh, we're going for moral victories now. I see. Be quiet. I don't want to hear it. Cavs are in there. My bad. Everybody else's team. Y 'all all about the practice.

7:48James Harrison:All these other teams, Boston, everybody's out. Oh, Cavs, we won our journey in 2016. When's the last time the Knicks won the championship? 1973. I wasn't even born. Okay? So I'm happy for the Knicks. They're looking good, but I'm telling you, we're talking about my Cavs right now. I'm not going to come out here and not still support my dogs, even though right now the Knicks look superior. We aren't being—every time— They look superior or your defense is trash? The effort at the end of the game, when we're just letting Jalen Brunson just go by us and give us buckets, I can't want it more than they want it for themselves.

8:29James Harrison:So if I'm looking at the game, outside looking in, right now, Knicks look good, Cavs, just the spirit. And then our coach after the game. Okay, I spazzed out at first when I heard what he said. When he was talking about analytically, we're up two to one. I almost— Hey, I did not understand. I say, okay, shall he be fired? Shall he be fired? But I slowed down because you got to be slow to react. You got to understand. The media be setting you up with these questions. So the question that they ask is, what is the reason that the Cavs should have any hope that we can come back in the series? that's the only reason that he could even possibly say that out of his mouth about hope for us to come back in the series analytically that we're up but alright I just wanted to say that first because still without that analytics don't play the game I know Debo I know he didn't have to answer that question in any type of way that said anything positive about analytics that would make him think that this is something great that they done had going on because of the analytics get rid of that shit go out there and put in some effort do some defense, man.

9:43James Harrison:I could do that. I could do what Harden did.

9:49Yes.

9:50James Harrison:It is an effort thing. It is a want to. It is a, still, the scheme that we're doing, you can't just be leaving people wide open, Jalen Brunson doing his damage, but our thing was defense. We were getting bullied, and every time we can't, they get on spurts. They get on spurts where they can score. If we're tied, we're down by five. Game three, we were always down by 10, always down by 12. We would get close, and then we could not stop a nosebleed. And then at the end of the game, when Jalen Brunson is dribbling it and everybody's just letting him go free and get the layups, it looks like we gave up.

10:27James Harrison:Letting him go free, man, that left hand off the top of that glass was killing him. And yes. And they let him keep going to it. Floating. Then they kept letting him go right over there to the other side and just shooting that all up in they eye. Yeah. The Knicks look good. I'm not here to be a hater on good basketball. I've been here to support myself. Bro, bro, bro. I understand good basketball. Listen, I understand good basketball. Yeah. But what I don't understand is, you know, the lack of effort of defense. That's what. Your mans, it don't matter about the end. I'm talking all together, man.

11:04They were just not. it's like the effort wasn't there. They was trying to save some energy on the offensive side. I don't know what was going on, bro.

11:11James Harrison:You don't have any energy to save. I need more, like you're saying, the effort. The effort. The one-two. The slide. The drive. Like, you can't just be letting people go by you. And that's not going to work. The Knicks, they're too big. Jalen Brunson's getting buckets. It's not looking good for us. Oh, you think? Yeah. Hey, hey. You going to the game? I'm checking the weather. It's looking a little crazy. Hold up, Joe. You said it don't matter what, Joe. I'm out there no matter what. I'm joking, D-Bow. I'm going. I'm going. I'm still out there. I'm going out there. We're not getting swept. We can't get swept.

11:50James Harrison:We got to do it for the pride. We got to do it for the pride. Game four, we can't get swept. Pride. Hey. Hey. Hey. What did they say? Pride comes before the fall, right? It is what it is. We fought the good fight. You don't have to fight a good fight. Y 'all ain't even put up a fight. We made it to the East. We're in the Eastern Conference Finals. My boys done played hella games. There's no excuses. There's no excuses. There's no excuses. All here, do what y 'all want to do to us. We made it this far. We number four in the league. It all started in game one. If you're going to tell me when we're up 22 points with seven minutes and 25 seconds left, at any point in any game where we're playing against the Knicks, I don't feel like they can't come back.

12:35James Harrison:If we're ever up, they go on spurts when they can just score 15, 17 runs and there's nothing that can happen. So from that first game, when we was up 22, we did our thing. Dudes balled out. We fought the good fight, tried to go steal game one. And they stole that game from us, Debo? That was, I mean. That was it. They gave up then. It wasn't it. But for me, outside looking in, we need that to at least be balled. Now we're 1-1 at the worst going to the crib. Ain't that when they started talking to me analytics? Well, analytically, you know, we're, you know, analytically. Yeah, now I'm sounding like I should have been fired.

13:11James Harrison:But that's, I'm a fan. I'm a fan. Like, what we going to do? I'm a fan. I mean, after y 'all going this year, what we going to do? What we going to do? He's the coach. What y 'all doing with Kenny? His, okay. Put your GM hat on, Joe. We were the number one seed last year. This year, just don't say that ever again. I don't care what the question is. Like, just don't say that we should be up 2-1 when we're down 0-3. Like, I don't want to fire him off that, but it's an - Hold up, hold up, Joe. You just said it's cool. You was on it. You was mad at first, but now you were like, oh, you understand how he's saying it, da-da-da.

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16:36James Harrison:I'm saying moving, I'm saying this, moving forward, please don't ever say that again. I can understand why you said it a little bit from the answer, from the question that they gave you. it was a setup. They tried to set you up. I know that's the only reason why you would say we should be up 2-1 analytically from the shot chart misses and we're down 0-3. Please don't say that. Like, I don't want my coach to ever say that we should be up when we're down. Like, literally, when you're down 0-3, I don't care what stats you're talking about. Don't make sure how we should be up 2-1. I had to go back and look because I thought they was up.

17:14I said, I must have missed. I must have been living to some other

17:17James Harrison:we were down 0-3 he's a good coach he had us as the number one seed last year this year we were number four it's just Donovan Mitchell keep Donovan Mitchell keep Evan Mobley keep Jackson what are we doing with Harden? that's what I'm saying I don't know what do you mean you don't know to go to the championship chip, I don't think we're going to have to, we can't have James Harden because we need more youth or more effort. We need a younger guard. I was a little upset where at the same time, James Harden's a great player. Last year, we had Darius Garland and people be forgetting about Darius. They're like, oh, he was hurt.

18:04James Harrison:He didn't play last year in the playoffs. We had the same squad and we didn't have him. I think if we would have had Darius this year, just a more quicker, you know what I'm saying? a younger youthful guard that can go get us and play some harder defense, give us a little more O, I think we would have been good. We're going to get Braun back this offseason. You know what I'm saying? He come back to the land. You're going to get Braun back. You think Braun's coming back? Braun comes, yeah, yeah. I think it would be best. I think it would be best. Free agent. For him to go track, the best chance to go win the ship again, D-Mitch running it back with the same squad.

18:37James Harrison:Braun's can play the one. That's where you got, you So you go bring Brown back. I'm bringing Brown back, bringing D. Mitch back, bringing Jared Allen back, bringing Mobley back, and then we're going to work and figure out who we can. With the same head coach? Same head coach. If he don't say that, he just can't say that again. Not matter. I don't think he would say that with Brown. Huh? Yep. I don't think he would say that with Brown. So you're telling me he just said that because he ain't. We didn't have no grown man, old head leadership. You just searching. You reaching and grabbing for anything right now.

19:20Like, you ain't got nothing there. You know what I'm saying? Like, what are we talking about?

19:27James Harrison:Debo, you know that actually made some sense, though. Because Bron, he's a free agent. We need him. So you're saying even though he coached y 'all to a one and a four, When Brian get there, he go sit back and shut the hell up and let Brian say something. Then he go keep his mouth closed, even though he coached all two at one and a four. But he ain't going to say what he think is on his mind. No, no, no. He's still going to do the coaching up part. But he knows now that that answer is going to get him too much. Like, don't say that. That just wasn't a good – that's just not something that a head coach of a team should say.

19:59James Harrison:That we should be up two to one when we're down all to three. And you're a great coach because you put us in the number one seed. You got us in the number four seed. and the only reason why you would say that because we're literally down 0-3 is because the question is what chance, what do you see? Is there any chance of the Cavs coming back in the series? He's like, bro, I'm going to give you to hell if you want to talk analytics, who is paying back 3-0? Nobody. Nobody. Analytic that. To hell with what it should have been, could have been, an analytic said it, did it, should have, could have. No.

20:34What does NLIC say now when you down 3-0?

20:37James Harrison:Hey, Debo, I'm with you on that. I don't agree with it. I was just trying to give him a... I was trying to see why he would even say that. Why am I getting upset? That's Cleveland. Yeah, you care. You care. You from Akron. I don't really care like that. Listen, I'm going to tell you the truth. Here it is. Okay. I'm Team New York. Until... For the show. Until they get done. No. Until they get done. with Cleveland. As soon as they go ahead and sweep them boys up out the way tonight, now I am against New York. I don't want New York to win. New York fans don't know how to act. They can't take a win.

21:22They ain't going to know how to deal with it. They going to talk crazy. I ain't going to deal with how they go talk and how they go act. I ain't dealing with none of that bullshit. They need to go ahead and get popped by whoever come from the West. You don't care who it is. The Spurs can't, but the fans can't handle it. Spurs or OKC? It don't matter who it is. Either one. Okay. I think it's going to be the Spurs, but...

21:51James Harrison:Okay, I like that. I like that pick. I love what's going on in the West. It don't matter, dude. Either one of them. Either one of them. I don't care. I just cannot have New York Knicks win it. They ain't going to know how to act. They might. I ain't going to tell them what they going to do. They might do a little bit of anything, man. I ain't going to lie to you. I'm going to rock with the Knicks because if they beat us, y 'all need to go ahead and win the whole thing. That's going to make me feel at least like, look, guys, we knew what they was on. They was on championship time. They went out there, got Shea out the way or Wimby out the way.

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22:29James Harrison:they deserve it. Oh, so you'll feel a lot better. I would feel way better. Losing to them if they go and win. A thousand percent. I get what you're saying. Another moral victory. Yes. Mm-hmm. Because that's all y 'all really about right now is moral victory. Look, y 'all was right. We ain't going to get swept. We got pride. If y 'all would have tightened up and we'd have locked in the whole time versus the Knicks, beat them first, beat them game one, we was up 22, showed them how we were supposed to do it, then we would have been a whole different story. Yeah, so I'm going ahead and rooting for the Knicks Because if they get us out of the way like this All this if If it was the fifth, I'd be drunk But you see me sitting here sipping on this water Ain't nothing in here but water You just, it's real easy for you Because you just get to go, you just get to go to field You don't even pick nobody You just get to go against whoever I'm going against So it makes it easier for you I was going against New York No matter what happened, you just decided You wanted to go with them so y 'all could feel better about getting y 'all face kicked in and getting swept.

23:30That's all. Okay.

23:33James Harrison:Okay, correct. When they go over there and lose 4-2, how you going to feel then? Then I'm going to know for sure we need more. We going to need more. You going to deep. What are you talking about? You need more and you need to lose a couple pieces too. That's all they come down to. You don't know what you're talking about, man. Zero. Zero. the Lord. Yep. We talking about, we talking moral victories and analytics today for the Cavs. That's crazy. Exactly. That's all y 'all do. That's all y 'all, that's all Cleveland do. But you know what though? How about, but the 2016. Y 'all beat us. This real.

24:10James Harrison:This real. Y 'all beat us. That was how I got a Super Bowl. You see the 2016 Cavs ring? Yeah, we did that. We got real hardware. We got real hardware. We got the 2016 Cavs championship ring here. Hey man, I ain't gonna lie. At least y 'all got something that's good. That's good. Yeah, you know. That's understood. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's real hardware. Congratulations. Thank you, bro. Congratulations. I appreciate that. Yeah, you take that and you roll. What were you, 16? What? 2016. 2016. That was 10 years ago. I was 27 years old. Kicking it. When they beat Golden State, yeah, at the parade.

24:51James Harrison:I got footage. Oh, you got footage? down Cleveland. Let's go, Cats. Let's go, Cats. What year did you go to the Steelers? 2017. Okay. So. Yeah. Okay. I mean, it is what it is, y 'all. I ain't knocking it, you know what I'm saying, but I'm knocking it. Greatest comeback in history. Down 3-1. 3-1. Nobody knew it. Not 3-0. LeBron did it. 3-1, not 3-0. Okay, but guess what? Look, we're not talking about right now. I'm talking about where I'm reminiscing, Debo. You be doing a lot of reminiscing about the good old Steelers days. So right now, the good old Cavs days. We was riding on the parade, riding downtown, lit with the homies.

25:42James Harrison:Hey, that's cool. Hey, I understand how that feel. I had that feeling twice. You know what I'm saying? Come on, man. You know? I done jumped on the Cavs train. I'm just saying, man, I done had that feeling twice. It was me sitting there. Bron did. You know? Bron did. You know what I'm saying? But I'm sitting there. I'm in actual action. You know what I'm saying? Y 'all sitting there watching. Y 'all sitting on the side. I hate them, man. Man, I did it as a fan. I don't care. It felt good. I mean, it's okay, man. It felt good. Obviously, I wasn't the player. It would have felt better to win the Super Bowl.

26:14James Harrison:But look, I'm rooting for my squad. Cavs out. And I got me a piece of that hardware. Shout out, Dan. What time you going, bro? What time? Be there at seven. Okay. What's going down? You need me to come through? You need support? What you want me to do? Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. I don't need none of that. You going to bring bad. I can already feel it. You already bring. Yeah. Yeah. What am I going to do that's going to be worse than what y 'all been doing to y 'all damn self? Just pissing me off while I'm watching it if it's happening? I don't need anything else. I need you sitting there enjoying it.

26:50James Harrison:No. No. Bro. You for that? No. Not to be sitting there looking at me laughing like, oh, Joe, yeah, this how they do it? No, bro. Be quiet. Oh, man. So, listen, I'm going to go ahead, man. We're going to jump into a little bit of the Steelers, man. Yeah, let's do it. Steelers, man. Rico Dowdle and Jalen Warren. Yes. They consider them both running back options as RB1s, whatever, that I doubt. But I guess we've got a Pittsburgh Post-Gazette writer. He said he's looking forward to the possibility of Warren returning to a third down receiving back row as a change of pace to Dottle. So I guess he's looking at Dottle actually being like a just the running back for like first and second down and switching him out.

27:41What do you think of that, bro? You think that's something that's going to happen? I mean, when you look at it, if you're looking at numbers, it's possible. But what do you think? I think, I don't know.

27:55James Harrison:I like both of them to do a little bit of everything. I think Rico Dotto is definitely a little bigger, more downhill. Jalen Warren, he's able to catch the ball better for third downs or whatever. But I think this is a mixture. I think Jalen can do both, though. I've never seen him go downhill, hit the holes full speed, and he's able to pass protect. You know what I'm saying? So I don't see, I see Jalen being a full every down back. I see Rico. I don't know how much his hands are, how good he is out of the backfield. So I think that would be more for Jalen probably in the third down. But I don't see him limiting his role to strictly third.

28:28James Harrison:Like the way to post that ball, bro, first down, the way he hits the whole second down, he can go in between the tackles. He can go outside. He's every down back because he can touch the ball also. I think it just makes it good because Rico, such a big body that it's going to be a pounding factor when he gets in there. But don't take away nothing from Jalen letting him get in between them tackles because he gets busy. Yeah, see, my thing is this. I don't agree with that. I don't think that's what's going to happen. It just don't make sense on what's going to happen as far as I'm seeing it because we're dedicating to the run.

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32:44So for me, I think that's just somebody reaching for something because of the numbers of what Dotto was getting paid and where Warren is at right now.

32:54James Harrison:Yeah, I think you make a good point too because two downhill backs and making sure that every play, when you had that Marshawn Lynch, remember we were talking about, and running over and over and over. It's not just one play. It's not just two plays. It's the consistency of you having to tackle a dude that's coming to give it to you every time. So that consistency of having Jalen that's going to come downhill. Rico Dotto going to come downhill. So you never know who's going to have the ball, but you're going to get that punishment no matter what. So I'm with you with I don't minimize Jalen Warren's role because that dude goes downhill, too.

33:30Yeah.

33:31James Harrison:Look here, man. Cleveland Browns. Yeah. Browns coach Todd Munkin called out over actions at OTAs. the Browns. Quarterback battle between Shador Sanders and Deshaun Watson is a story of the offseason in Cleveland. However, Munkin has appeared annoyed by questions regarding his passer and who may have an edge as the team progresses through OTAs. Joe, Munkin said he said, yeah, nothing's really changed other than it's a different day and y 'all firing the same questions. Amen. He tired of the questions, man. The 92.3, I guess the fan, Anthony Lima, took issue with the response from Munkin. He said, they're clipping the Cleveland media members all asking about the quarterback every time.

34:30And then Todd Munkin goes, well, it hasn't changed. And they're like, oh, another Cleveland reporter gets humiliated by Munkin. is like we're going to ask you every day who's in the league. That's how it works. That's why Todd Monken gets paid a lot of money, not to just coach the football team, but to take our questions. Joe, what do you think of this?

34:56James Harrison:Debo, question first. Let me shoot this. What do you think of this? What do you think of this? Hey, my thing is this. he could just not respond to it and just be like, yo, nothing's changed. We're where we're at. Like if he's going to come in here and then be like, OK, so today y 'all asked me the question and nothing's changed. You asked me the question the next day and now I said it's Shador. And then Then you asked me the question the day after that. Then I said, it's it's Watson. Like, dude, it's nothing that's going to happen in a day that's going to really change too much of somebody's outcome, especially when you're not even into any type of real padded practice yet.

35:45Yes. So y 'all reporters want to keep there and keep asking the same questions. You're going to get the same answer. And he's he's just tired of answering the same question. You're going to get the same answer. It's no change. like it's nothing that you're going to do to change where they're at as far as where he's at in the process you know who is it going to be the guy that's going to start he's saying hey it's even even like steven then when that time comes and i figure that out and we see and and go through that we'll let you know until then status quo it's the same so do you think he should have answered it differently?

36:24I think he should have answered it differently. Just not adding you firing the same question. Hey, yeah, really nothing's changed. It's a different day. Got the same message. Nothing's really changed. And you're firing the same question. Just take away and you're firing the same questions. Listen, nothing's changed. Yesterday to today.

36:47James Harrison:Yes. Debo, we're talking about basically now coaches getting media trained the same way that players do. When they're asking Shador, when they're asking Dylan Gabriel, when they're asking when Deshaun Watson gets back to the media, we know how to answer it and to not stir up any more controversy. We know what to say if the same thing is status quo, you said the same way. He could just say what he's going to say without saying y 'all keep asking me the same questions because that's their job. You know what I'm saying? Their job is to go in and try to get the answer from you are the head coach that's going to be making that decision.

37:20James Harrison:So they're going to come ask you after practice, did the dude perform better because they're in a quarterback competition. Our job is the media is to report from the coach. And we're trying to figure out, not us guessing now. We watched the play, so we're going to be able to give our intake. But you, as the head coach, taking questions, quarterback position is the big position. So you as a head coach knowing if you're going to come in there, you know how to put out fires or start fires. You know what I'm saying? Exactly the way you said it. Or you should. Well, you should. You know what I'm saying?

37:47James Harrison:You grown, man, as a quarterback coach, and you know you got a whole lot of stuff going on. It's not there. It's not you're trying to hide information. Obviously, you may know something and it's not something you're going to have to give to them all the time. So you're going to be able to have to still sugarcoat stuff and go out there and handle the media in a way to where there's not just they're going to give you these repeated questions. But you got to know if you want to handle them a certain way or if you answer like this, this is what's going to happen. You're trying to hide information, coach.

38:15James Harrison:You got something going on. Tell them, boom, nothing status quo. You know what I'm saying? Practice was today, but everything's probably the same way as it was. and move on. You got to give yourself more training and know what's going on. You setting yourself up for these questions. You're the head coach. Everybody's worried about Deshaun Watson. They don't care what it is. They're going to ask you. They're the media. Them saying you get paid a lot of money to answer our questions. You do. You have to answer their questions because you have to report to them. You don't have to answer their questions.

38:44James Harrison:But the way that you answer them. That's the part I'm saying. The media training part. The way that you answer them is completely up to you. You can answer it and not even be talking about it at all. And that's why I say, coach, you got to get into your media training of the answers because we get these questions all the time. And when somebody says something out of me, we like this, we knew, you knew what you had to do to put out a fire, but you said something that's going to get some stuff going. Coach, you say what you say to us. You know what I'm saying? Keep the stuff out the way. Boom. Just keep it chill.

39:16James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? You are in control of this interview. Don't let the interviewer take control of you. You stare this conversation the way you want to stare it. So I think with him, he got to just do better of, you're going to get the question every single day because everybody wants to know who's going to be the quarterback. You got Deshaun, you got Shador. They're getting reps. You know what I'm saying? They're keeping trackers on OTA passes. So they're going to have their options on who they think. You know what I'm saying? It may not be legit because when they ask you, this is how they know.

39:44James Harrison:Coach, who do you think has the lead? He's like this. It didn't change me yesterday. Y 'all will keep asking me the same questions. Yes, we're going to keep asking you because other than that, all I can give is my opinion. I don't know what the coach of these two quarterbacks who's really going to make the decision is thinking. So I'm going to ask you every single day. I get the opportunity. That's what good interviewers are supposed to do. We want to know about the quarterbacks. We want to know about Denzel Ward. We know Denzel Ward is going to be starting. He's the corner. Don't ask any questions about him.

40:12James Harrison:He's fine. We want to know about who's going to start a quarterback, coach. You know what I'm saying? So you got to be able to be a better controller of the narrative of the media to know, boom, if you don't want you don't have to give them answers because you may know, but you're the coach. So keep them at bay the way you know how to keep them at bay where you're in control of these interviews and not having them have you look crazy. I think for him, this is one of those things where the frustration comes because he actually doesn't have an answer and he's trying to decide it through the process.

40:46And he's just now getting tired of you asking the same questions. And he's like, dude, nothing has changed. Like, I don't have the answer. Y 'all think I'm sitting here holding something back? Because if I'm holding something back, I got a way better answer than y 'all firing the same questions. Don't be mad, though. Just keep answering. Right. Just listen. Just keep answering. That's what I'm trying to tell him. Like, yo, just keep answering it the same way. Like the questions that they ask, like the field questions. Well, how do you feel about the game? We lost. We won. That's all. Boom. Boom.

41:23I answered it. You want to give me the feel so you can make your job easier and have me going out of my way to express my. No. How do I feel?

41:32James Harrison:My emotions, all that. You get to dissect how I feel. No, it's factual. When did I lose? We lost. Do a better job of asking a question that's going to make me have to give you a better answer. That's all, man. I'm with you. It ain't hard. And like I said, media training should be, listen, you have to be available. You don't have to answer the question. Like literally you get a question that you don't want to answer. Hey, Joe, how do you feel about Dylan Gabriel versus Shador Sandler? How do you feel about Watson versus Shador? Who is it that you want to start, Joe? Man, I think we have two good quarterbacks and we're in a battle.

42:14James Harrison:But who would you like to start, Joe? I would like whoever performs the best, obviously. Who do you think is performing the best? Oh, right now, both of them are playing really well. It's a quarterback competition. You dirty bastards. Pick one of them before I cut your throat. There we go. No, I'm going to keep answering you. I don't got frustrated as a question. You know what I'm saying? Because it's a quarterback competition. It's a media training, man. It's competing. I'm going to keep answering your question like exactly. It's a quarterback competition. Yes, sir. They said Todd Munkin is working to overtime to fix one of Kevin Stefanski's worst mistakes.

42:51They said the biggest difference between him and his predecessors became even more obvious in the OTAs when the Browns guard Zion Johnson said Munkin has installed a zero tolerance policy with penalties. He said he really emphasized that if we have a penalty out there, we're reloading the play. If they're false starting, you're coming out. so it really forces accountability onto you where it's like okay i'm coming out today i go i got to get locked in to the snap count my technique so that i have nothing so i have so that i'm not having any penalties in practice joe yes they saying this man wasn't uh they saying your boy over there he was just letting them do what they wanted to do if you just looked But, you know, their ratings, what is it, 20 from 20 to 25?

43:46Them boys is 25, 24, 19, 28, 22. And it was 12 last year. But, yeah. Goodness. It was that bad on penalties, Joe? Y 'all was that bad on penalties, Joe? What you got going over there? What was Stefanski doing, man?

44:08James Harrison:I don't know. I want to speak on Stefanski, but this is a discipline thing. and I'm loving it with the coach. You got to start at practice. What if your soda actually did something for you? Introducing Sky Pop Protein Soda. Sky Pop Protein Soda has 10 grams of complete protein, zero sugar, and real delicious soda taste. Sky Pop Protein Soda, reach for the sky. Get your Sky Pop Protein Soda now at Target, Walmart, or Kroger. Amazon Health AI presents Painful Thoughts. Why did I search the internet for answers to my cold sore problem? Now I'm stuck down a rabbit hole filled with images of alarmingly graphic sores in various stages of ooze.

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47:03James Harrison:Have to start with the snap counts. You got to start all that jumping off sides. All the little things equate to big things. You know what I'm saying? They kill drives. They're real. So the coach holding them accountable, it doesn't matter who you are. And that's just something in practice where you should never jump off sides. You should never go off sides. You should always know the snap count. That should be an asset to the offense. They should be able to go up there and be able to use hard count. So discipline, just starting off behind the line, being everywhere on time, I think that's a real big thing.

47:32James Harrison:And it's just accountability. People need to be where they're supposed to at the right times and just discipline. So coach doing that, I love it. I mean, I think that that's what good coaches should do. And it goes for everybody. Nobody should be able to, like, because some of that stuff is just laziness. It's like, are you locked in or not? Snap count, you're watching the ball. You're the D line, you're sitting over the ball. The wide receivers, you don't move until nobody moves. The offensive line, you got to know the snap count. So certain like snap count discipline things, it's like, what are we doing?

48:02James Harrison:Did you not just hear the snap count? We are really, that's stuff where it's not a physical thing. It's not a skill thing. It's not action. It's nothing that's going on. Anybody can do that. If you can listen to somebody, they tell you to play, you won't jump off sides. Like, okay, bet. Somebody has to catch a fade ball, run a corner on somebody, keep your toes in. I can see, oh, you might not be able to do that. You don't have the skill set. But for you to not jump off sides, for you to just know the snap count, that doesn't take skill. That takes discipline. That takes you just listening. So when you see people continuously jump off sides, what are you doing?

48:36James Harrison:You're not locked in. When you see people jumping off, they're trying to get a jump on the snap, but the ball didn't move. You're already committing a penalty before the ball is even snapped. Pre-snap penalties. Pre-snap penalties is something you cannot allow. It will kill you. It will destroy your rhythm. It will destroy your – it will mess up everything. Now, what happens in the play, okay, they might have got you on a hold or something like that. But all the things that you have control of that anybody can go out there and do, what you got to do is pay attention to what's going on. That's the things you can't have happen.

49:13And zero tolerance, that's easy. Like, that's just how it should be. You know what I'm saying?

49:18James Harrison:That's how we started. Little League football. Take a lap. Somebody else is coming in and taking your spot. You're taking a lap. Yes. Like, yes. No words said. Take a lap. Like, yes. Like, go ahead. Take off. Damn. I got to go. Damn. Yeah, I'll let you know. Listen, I'm moving late before I move early. Man, for sure. Because then you can get busy. Don't pre-snap penalties is nothing. So that's why I'm loving that. I am moving late before I ever go early, you know? Facts. Joe Burrow, he spoke with reporters during voluntary workouts and shut down, shot down the notion that he had a major hand in all, at all in the season.

50:03In the, in the, in the all, at all in the off season. Good Lord. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Tell me about it for sure. You still ain't had no hand in the off season. None of it. That's what he's saying. Okay. Who the fuck wrote this like this and pissing me off? All right. In fact, he said he was less involved than in years past. He said, I would say, if anything, I was less involved this year than in years past. There was no secret that last several years didn't go the way we wanted it to go. We didn't go the way we wanted to. And there's a lot of blame to go around for that, myself included. And so we're in a great spot this year.

50:55We brought in great people and great players. You can feel the vibes of the locker room. The energy is elevated right now, Joe. What are you saying, Joe?

51:07James Harrison:You know what Joe Burrow's saying? What are you saying? He's saying that he's happy. He's trying. It's early in the season. this is what great quarterbacks do. They get in there. They're trying to valvanize the troops. They're trying to say good things about the locker room, about the team, trying to get the camaraderie up. That's what I would expect. That's what I love from Joe Burrow. That's what I love, Debo. What do you think? You love a lot of shit. You love a lot of shit, bro. What do you think? You in love. You in love, bro. You just love him. You just love so much, Joe. I just, I love too much, you know?

51:49Joe. I got a big heart. This is what I think. I'm going from the very top. Okay. So when I look at the very top, Joe is telling y 'all right now. He's like, yo, I'm trying to tell y 'all right now. This ain't had nothing to do with me. I ain't had no say in what went on. I actually had less say. That's for sure what he said. saying, hey, y 'all need to realize something. Like the Ravens owner said, hey, you will have say, but you will have no power. This is my team. I will run it how I feel. And at that point in time, if you like what you're getting paid and you are cool with that, you will sit there and take the payment and keep it moving.

52:35And you will take whatever comes with that, wins, losses, and everything else, as long as that's acceptable. And if it's not, then you can move on. And, you know, that's if I don't own your rights. Well, we can still figure out some way to do that. So when it comes down to it, you know, I think Joe is just letting y 'all know. I like the way things are going. But all the stuff where y 'all saying I had something to do with this, ain't had nothing to do with me, Joe. Yep. No, that's what he said.

53:02James Harrison:Ain't had nothing to do with me. This don't have nothing to do with me. I don't think they really even asked for my involvement. Zero. So now he's setting up his escape plan a little bit if it looks crazy. That's what you think? Hey, CC, how you start thinking like me? I'm telling you, he like this. Look, they ain't come and ask me nothing. I ain't getting no protection. He's saying we got some good players now. We got some good defensive players. You know what I'm saying? We ain't getting no linemen. I might still get hit upside the head. I don't know. But I like the players. The vibes are good.

53:35James Harrison:Energy is great. And what I'm doing, I'm Joe Burrow. I'm bringing the vibes. I'm not knocking the vibes. Let me go ahead, get hit upside the head a couple times. And I'm telling you already, I had nothing to do with this. Didn't ask me for nothing. So I could slide. Okay. Okay. Okay. Hey, don't say, listen. Right now, what I'm getting right now. Sometimes I need you. Sometimes I need you. So I could be looking at it from your side. And then I'll be looking at it from my side. Because Joe Burrow, he's setting it up in a good way. Like, boom, I'm here. I'm liking what we're doing. I had nothing to do with it, though.

54:10James Harrison:They ain't ask me. So I'm just a pawn. I'm just a pawn. If it go, it go. If it go left, it's on them. Listen, I'm just telling y 'all right now. What y 'all paying me right now, what was going on last year, it had me trying to find my happiness. I was lost. You know what I'm saying? At a certain point in time, he's saying, hey, what y 'all giving me right now ain't worth me taking these knots and getting these lumps on my head. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, like I asked you, I said, Joe, if you lost half the money and you won a Super Bowl, would you go with the Super Bowl? You say, hell no, I wouldn't.

54:47But now, if I tell you, Joe, hey, difference between getting 50, 60 million a year and maybe 10, 20 a year, I might even have to switch over, Joe. I might even switch over and say, you know what? I take the lumps. No, I can't. I'm sorry. I can't. My name means something, dog. My name means something, too. I can't do it. My name means something. It would be like, 60 million, 15 years. Ooh, that would be 900 million? I'm telling you. That'd be 900 million, Joe.

55:22James Harrison:The goal is to do both. The goal is to do both. Why can't we do both? Why can't we just be good, get paid, and win the Super Bowl? That's the goal. 900 million, no Super Bowl, and I'm trash. Hold up. 900 million, no Super Bowl and you trash. I'm not going to be trash to get 900. I'm just telling you, bro, 900. I'm telling you this is what it is. I'm giving you the optics of what it is that will you take the 900, no Super Bowls, or you go and you get a Super Bowl, but you only get 100. This is what I'm trying to say. So you're telling me the winning the Super Bowl and then having to be trash, $800 million.

56:02James Harrison:That's not even... Dude, I got a problem. I got a problem, dude. I got a problem, bro. I can't do it. I can't turn. I don't know. Maybe if I went and took that$900 million and I turned it into like I was trashing football. I couldn't do nothing. That's what I'm saying. I'm a big bus. But after I got done, I got smart. I got into like business, real estate, all that. And I turned it into like$100 billion. Then I feel good because then my daddy name still be good. But that's what I'm saying. My daddy name going to be way—they're going to forget about me and that Super Bowl that I won. They're going to not forget about these, the legacy.

56:37James Harrison:I'm just saying, man. I'm just saying. I mean, I'm just talking about. All the people that you can help. You can get money and all that other stuff. Remember. You know. Joe, listen. Joe know he could go and get 50 anywhere. Debo. He know he can go and get 50. Hey, Joe. Joe. Joe Burrow. You could go and get 50 anywhere. Listen. And that's what I'm telling you. Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow going to come get that 50. Got a year. He can come get that 50, right? Debo, I'm fully bought in. Because now, Joe Burrow, if they don't do it, they bungling. Listen, you deserve a good spot there, man. You deserve what it is that your skill level dictates that you deserve, and that is Lombardi's.

57:19It dictates that a man of your skill level, Joe Burrow, should have Lombardi's, should have rings on his fingers that is straight from the NFL. Pittsburgh Stills. Right there. Right there. You see him? You see him right there, Joe?

57:37James Harrison:Yep, I do. Hey! I do. Burrow! Every time I see your Super Bowl trophies, D-Bow, I just want you to know I am genuinely happy for you. Genuinely. Hey, I want you to be happy, Joe. I want you to feel, I want you to see what it's like, Joe. I'm going to be, I'm on my way. I'm on my way. I did it, you know, I'm on my way. Joe Burrow! You want to see what this look like, Joe? Joe. Come on, Joe. Joe, listen. This could be yours with your name on it, Joe. You see that right there? Yep. Right there, Joe? That say Harrison. That say Harrison. That could say Burrow. That could say Burrow. I'm just saying.

58:27James Harrison:I'm with you. Seven, you come on over and get eight. Sign me up, Debo. Sign me up. Why stop there? The hell with it. Let's get 10. Yeah. Double digit. First one to double digit. Got to. 10. 10. 10. Hey. Hey, listen, man. Man, Joe come over here, man. He getting one, two of them things, man. Yeah, they going to get Joe about 100 million a year, man. Oh, bro, the way it is going up, for sure. Hey, listen, man. The price going up like gas.

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NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden react to the Cleveland Cavaliers entering tonight's NBA Playoff game down 3-0 to the New York Knicks, Cleveland Browns head coach Todd Monken facing criticisms over his actions at OTAs, and much more!

Timeline:
00:00 - Deebo trolls Joe over Cavs
23:26 - Steelers RB1 battle
26:42 - Media calls out Todd Monken
35:52 - Todd Monken doesn't tolerate penalties
40:07 - Joe Burrow on Bengals Roster

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