Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Deshaun Watson beating Shedeur Sanders? + Steelers not extending Broderick Jones

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4:24James Harrison:Welcome back to this episode of Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, And I'm here with my co-host Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like, subscribe, and download where you get your podcasts. How you doing today, Joe? I'm doing great, brother Debo. Good Friday. Great Friday. Woke up this morning, and let me tell you something. I'm motivated. I'm back into the gym. I'm back into the gym. What you doing in the gym today, Joe? Today I did upper body. I did some back. I did some bend over rolls. You know what I'm saying? I did some pull-ups. You know what I'm saying? So I'm back in the gym.

5:08James Harrison:I'm feeling good. I'm motivated, Debo, because I've seen your videos of you lifting with the swollest man in the world I've seen. And I've seen you going smack at him. And you know what I love about that most, Debo? You don't sugarcoat. You're not just talking like that to me. You're talking like that to everybody. So I was very happy to see that you was out there trying to bully the bully. I'm supposed to change my tone. No, you don't change your tone. You don't change your tone. I don't think it's aggressive. I just think it's informative and nice. No, that's what I'm saying. It was. It was positivity.

5:43James Harrison:You were pushing positivity still. Yes, yes. Some people think it's, you know, they think it's a little aggressive. You know what it is? I think when I'm passionate about something, my voice raises. you know and i think they take that as a lot of people take it as a threat you know they're uncomfortable i mean because it comes off aggressive because you're real strong and you well see i i got i got told that a while ago but i didn't realize that's how it came off but i don't i can't change how i how i how i approach things you know only thing i mean i just that's that's something that I just, you know, I can't change.

6:24James Harrison:I'm a nicer person, you know what I'm saying? But my talk, when I talk about something, I get I get tired, you know what I'm saying? I get vocal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that equals from our perspective, scary sometimes. You know? Right, right, the animation. What are you going to do? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They're like, oh, he's swole. He's moving too fast. He's too loud. I'm intimidated. it. That's what they're thinking, Debo. Yeah, that's what it is. You don't mean no harm, though. You just passionate. Okay. For sure, though. Shout out to Diamond Gym. Shout out to them boys.

7:02James Harrison:NFL set it all up. We got that work in. Appreciate it, though. That was good to see. Listen, Steelers let us use the gym. I went on head. Guess who I had to call? Who you called? My guy, Omar. I called my guy, Omar. They was up there trying to do something. Like, listen, hold up. Listen, did Y 'all even, y 'all, listen, hold up. Let me make a phone call. Let me make a phone call and we gonna be right here. We gonna be where we need to be in the real gym. We gonna be where we need to be. Bro, I ain't gonna lie to you. I ain't gonna lie to you. The gym they had before that, I couldn't even find it on the map.

7:39James Harrison:I couldn't even find a website. It was in, where was it at? It was in the city somewhere, but when I went to look at it on the maps, it looked like a for real garage. Okay. Like I had to make sure that I was coming to something that had everything that I needed. You know what I'm saying? I got to get on my cardio equipment for a whole 45. Before the workout starts? At least 32 hours before the workout even starts. I got to get warmed up. I got to get a good stretch in. Got to get all that going. I know where it's at when I get over there to that stil. Oh, you already know what time. They got everything you need.

8:14James Harrison:They got everything I need ammo. Okay. You know what I'm saying? You do a warm up this morning? Oh, see? See? No, I got right into it. I ain't going to lie. I got to warm up. I need to warm up. I'm going to do my cardio after. You got the warm up. That's part of the workout, Joe. That's the warm up. That's part of the workout, Joe. You got to get right. Go ahead and get... What's up? Get warmed up. I wanted to say wet, but I can't say that. Come on. You know what I'm saying? You can't even say... The craziness of the words that you can't say now, lathered up. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You know what I'm saying?

8:53James Harrison:Did you oil that thing up? D-Bo, you got to watch your tone out here. I'm telling you. Yeah. Hold up, listen. The football. I ain't heard nothing else about your coaching on the flag football. What's going on there, bro? So, we're 2-1. You know what I'm saying? We're 2-1. We lost our first game last week. My boy Joey's doing great at the quarterback. We got a dog at running back receiver, but they boxing too. We playing seven on seven. They had two dudes following my best player. So now I got to work on decoys. You know what I'm saying? Got to get everybody else involved. We dropped some open passes.

9:35James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? Kids game, we could have won, but we lost 15 to six first game. But we got practice today, and I threw it another 30 minutes because we're going to work on our hurry-up offense. We got to be able to get to the ball. This is what I'm telling you, too. Everybody, if you're a wide receiver. Joe, Joe, Joe, how old is these kids? These kids are nine years old. These kids are eight and nine years old. Joe, hurry-up offense? Yeah, this is what I'm telling you. We only got two formations, though. So they need to hurry up and get back, be able to get to the ball and line up on their spot.

10:08James Harrison:Do you know what I'm saying? I'm just trying to get them on the ball. We got dudes three yards ahead of the line of scrimmage. I'm like, back up. Where? Back up. Back up, Levi. Get on the ball. You see the ball. You got lined up on the ball. So we trying to get. Hey, Joe. Joe, that's 8-9. I know. But I'm telling you, the quicker that we get the basics of aligning on the ball. I just don't want you to frustrate yourself. No, no, no, no. You know, in the process of trying to get them to do some. No, no, no, no. We do it, brother. First game, we won 22. You out there biting your nails and throwing your hat.

10:41James Harrison:No, no, no. I'm not screaming at the kids. Positivity. Right. You're going to be throwing your hat. You're going to throw your hat. Talk about you seeing a beat. We won the first game, 22-0. We won our second game, 25-0. And then we lost the third game, 15-6. Was they playing, Joe? Was they up there feeling theyself? Did they thought it was going to be an easy one? They thought they was going to walk in there and do it? Did you let them do that, Joe? I don't teach complacency. I don't teach complacency. I don't teach the place. I can't tell, Joe. I can't tell. Y 'all just skunked two people, basically.

11:18James Harrison:I know. But it was good. Look, it was good on good. It was good on good. The other players were out there making plays also. So, you know, we're going to get to it. We're going to get to it. We got a great day of practice ahead of us today. We're starting off with warm-ups. Run two laps, guys. Two good laps. Two good laps around the field, and then we're getting to our stretches. Two good laps. Joe, Joe. They be getting into our stretches. High knees. They doing flag football. You do the active warm-up. You do the active stretches, man. You do the slide down, hit your feet. No, I'm doing that after the first two laps.

11:57James Harrison:Ah, Joe. I need conditioned athletes. Hey, hey, hey. Who be at the practice? I need some film. I got my assistant coach. He's at practice. Who else? Do wifey go to practice every now and then? No. She's chilling. She's just coming to the games. I'm going to need... I'm going to go ahead. I'm going to get some film of you out there. See what you look like. You're going to see me out there. I'm going to have to do something. Yeah, for sure, man. Jump on over here, man, to the Steelers. What we got going? And just as we thought, the Steelers are declining. Roderick's Jones fifth year. so he missed uh the last portion of 2026 when he suffered a neck injury he would have been guaranteed i guess 19.1 19.1 millie right there it says so whoo man and that's fully guaranteed i mean this is what i suspected was gonna happen because of an injury.

13:05James Harrison:And then you had Scheffner, what was it, reported last week that he had suffered a setback and he would have to undergo an examination to determine whether he would be able to return and be ready for training camp in the upcoming season. So, you know, this is a business thing. You know, you do what you need to do when you're in that position as far as operating a business, you know, and this is how it sucks. But, you know, especially for them, you know, they really love to have him. Yeah, I hope you love to have him. But, you know, you.

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16:48James Harrison:You can't go in and do that. And they're, you know, they're doing it with more information than what we have. We're just on the outside looking in saying, you know, it's a fusion. We don't know. And I'm just like, yo, it's a fusion. So, you know, at some point, you got to go ahead and get back out there and see what you can do. And he didn't even get a chance to get back out there before he had a setback. So talking fusions is difficult to even, you know, to come back from. And then when you talk about how many levels, one level versus two, it's longer recovery. You know, it's a harder recovery.

17:27James Harrison:And the time to return is longer. I mean, I don't, I mean, what would you do? With this, I'm not surprised at all. You stated kind of everything it is. And like we said, it's a business. And it's$19.1 million. And it's a neck injury. and he had a setback. So when you talk about numbers and you talk about$19.1 million that would be guaranteed and we don't know if he's going to be able to come back and play, when you're just looking from a strictly Steelers perspective, you're going to decline that option because you just don't see it making any sense. You drafted another offensive lineman in place because you know at the end of the day with this neck situation, you don't know if you're going to ever have this player again because they know more information than we do.

18:17James Harrison:They're declining the fifth-year option. They're just doing their business things they have to do. So I'm not surprised by it at all. I'm praying for Broderick because you always, you know what I'm saying, everybody, it's always the business side. When we talk about what the Steelers are doing, declining the option, we're like this. Yes, obvious. If you're a business and you're a team and you have$19.1 million guaranteed to a player that you don't know if he's going to do another snap for you, it makes complete sense. But when you go to the person's perspective, you're like, man, want Broderick to get right.

18:44James Harrison:Hopefully everything works back out. Hopefully he can get back out there and perform. And that's just how it is. So with the Steelers' perspective, completely get it, understand what it is. It's a business. If he was healthy, we'd be a completely different conversation. But he's not. And that's why Omar did what he did. They asked him, like, were you drafting in the first round, Max? Was that a reason because of Broderick? And it was like, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Obviously not. I don't know if they ever said that. He said, obviously, with just the injury, you never know. So, like, you know what I'm saying?

19:18James Harrison:Just being – I don't think exactly – It's not exactly – Because if that was the case, they would have never had to call old dude as the receiver for the one. Like, you know, that became – you know, it was automatically a thing I'm sure that they were looking for as far as the offensive linemen. But I guess that situation, you know, flipped and did what it did. Everything happened for a reason. They're like, okay, so this is where we're at now. I don't know if he ever said, oh, this is why we did it. No, I don't think that was it. He said, you know, it's obvious that, you know, they're not going to have him, not that this is why we did it.

19:52James Harrison:But again, like you said, it's a business. It's a business first. And that's why I do. I'm never upset when a player be like, hey, I need to know how to track. I just outplayed. Come on, Debo. Come on, Debo. Hey, you know damn sure that they're going to ask you for a pay cut if the money ain't guaranteed, if you ain't got no guaranteed money left and they feel like you falling too short of their expectations, they go ask you for that. And if they don't, they go release you. If you don't take it, they go release you. You speaking straight facts. Yeah, so I have absolutely no problem with this. Me either.

20:33James Harrison:When you say that about when you, speaking of the contracts, when you outperform your contract and dudes are ready to get back to the table because they know I've outperformed this deal. I don't have too much longer. If I underperform the deal, the team is easily ready to come at me with a pay cut. Once my guarantee is up, they're ready to release me. So you are fighting every single year to go get your bag because they're like, no, you signed this deal. But I did sign this deal. Why are you asking me for a pay cut? Nobody's saying nothing different because you underperformed the deal than when the team wants to pay cut.

21:04James Harrison:It's a business. It's a, What have you done for me lately? So everybody trying to get to the bag as soon as they can, trying to take care of themselves and making sure they can maximize because you never know about that next year. You don't know what's going to happen. Roderick wasn't expecting his neck to get hurt in week 13. That 19.1, like, that's – he's fighting to, like, man, you've been doing everything to get in that position. So teams got to take care of themselves and players at the same time always got to take care of themselves because you never know when's your last snap. yeah that's uh you mean like i said it's unfortunate it's part of the game but you know that's the hard part of when business becomes business because we talk about family you know what i'm saying everybody talks about family and i think what a lot of guys fail to realize is that the family is the players yeah players i'ma i'ma support you no matter what i'm support you if you go to xyz it don't matter because my brother now they do care about you and some coaches actually do care about you through the extent of you actually going somewhere else if it's going to be better for you but when it comes down to a decision like this where you're talking money versus the possibility of you being able to play and me guaranteeing you something that I may never get back in return it's a business decision that needs to be made now and it's an ROI yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah.

22:28James Harrison:It's not easy, but, you know, it's decisions that have to be made.

22:38James Harrison:And then again, hey. What's up? He can go ahead, go ahead, get it done, come back, make out, get some money somewhere else. Yeah, enough for sure. But I would caution him. Do not come back too fast trying to get on the field. just because you're a free agent next year. Worst case scenario, you may not see too much field time this year, but if you could get 100 % healthy, I know somebody would get you at least a minimum one year. You know what I'm saying? You're only 25 to get back into that position to show that you can play and get through a full year healthy with no incidents. And then the next year, get another contract.

23:29James Harrison:That's to, you know, what you were expecting, as long as you can get back to the level of play that you were at. And he's super young too, man. So don't, he's turning 25 years old. So you got, that's the thing. You're away from that 30 number. Time is on your side. If you just get yourself 100%, just try to take care of your body. Try to get yourself all the way back right. Because once you get back on the field, people are expecting you to be the same Roderick Jones. So don't rush it. You know what I'm saying? Just trying to be the timeline. You're young. You got time. And this could be your, you know what I'm saying?

23:59James Harrison:Your last time to get back out there. So take your time. I'm with you a thousand percent, Debo. Yeah. Going on over here. We got some Drew Allner. Yeah, Drew Aller, young. The quarterback. Here we go. Aller. Yeah. Aller. Aller. Aller. Aller. Say it again. Drew Aller. Say it again. Yeah, just hit him with the Aller. Aller. Whoa, whoa. Hold up, bro. Let me get this out. Yeah, you got some. Them braces be getting you together every time. Bro. Bro, it's bad. Here the thing, bro. Every time I go in, I'm like, yo, how long we got left? They don't even say nothing no more. They don't even ask you. They just say not yet.