In short
Steelers preseason QB evaluation (Drew Allar’s debut), plus Browns QB drama update (Deshaun Watson vs. rookie Shador Sanders), and a separate college football jersey-number dispute (Jaden Daniels’ No. 5 at LSU).
Guests/backgrounds
No formal guests appear in the transcript; hosts are James “Debo” Harrison and Joe Hayden. They reference NFL/college figures as context (Mike McCarthy, Todd Monken, Adam Scheffner, etc.), but no guest interviews are included.
Key claims
- Allar’s Steelers preseason debut was strong: 10-of-13, 154 yards, 3 passing TDs, 1 rushing TD, 0 interceptions; praised for pocket poise, decision-making, timing, and read-option athleticism.
- Steelers offense looked prepared across QBs (Mason Rudolph, Will Howard, Allar), with methodical drives; main issues were penalties and offensive-line pass protection/run production.
- Browns: Watson starts one preseason game; Sanders starts the other; hosts think it’s a confidence/competition plan, not just “door to the backseat.”
- Sanders apologized to reporters for being short earlier; hosts argue media questions fuel drama.
- LSU: Daniels’ family feels disrespected over No. 5 being worn by DJ Pickett; hosts counter that the number wasn’t officially retired.
Notable examples
- Allar’s 74-yard slant-to-YAC play and multiple “dumps to the flat” TDs.
- Browns: joint practices and the idea Monken wants a two-minute drive.
- LSU: Daniels’ No. 5 dispute tied to Heisman legacy and whether numbers are officially retired.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOExcitement for Football Season
1:05 to 1:54
Hosts share their excitement for the football preseason and the Steelers’ recent game.
“Bahamar, located in Nassau, Bahamas, offers your choice of three luxury hotels.”
Excitement for Football Season
4:20 to 7:33
Hosts share their excitement for the football preseason and the Steelers’ recent game.
“You told me a while back you was going to continue to do different hats.”
Drew Allar’s Impressive Debut
7:33 to 11:15
Discussion on Drew Allar's performance in his first preseason game.
“But from what you see there, I don't want to crown.”
Team Performance Insights
11:15 to 14:00
Analysis of the team's overall performance and areas for improvement.
“Everybody was taking what the defense gave them, and we were methodically moving down the field.”
Analysis of Asante Samuel Jr.'s Performance
14:00 to 15:44
Discussion about Asante Samuel Jr.'s return and its impact on the team.
“Didn't panic with the turn and try and dive into the...”
ChatGPT's Role in Enhancing Work Productivity
15:44 to 16:34
A detailed look at how ChatGPT can assist in complex work tasks.
“ChatGPT work is built for bigger projects with multiple steps.”
ChatGPT's Role in Enhancing Work Productivity
16:38 to 18:06
A detailed look at how ChatGPT can assist in complex work tasks.
“Ice Cube's Big 3 Season 9 is coming down to the wire.”
Preview of Ice Cube's Big 3 Season 9
18:42 to 19:24
Overview of the upcoming Big 3 Celebrity Game and details about participating teams.
“Mind is the penalty, but definitely he was using his hands.”
Browns Quarterback Drama and Preseason Strategy
19:24 to 23:14
Discussion on Deshaun Watson's preseason start and Shador Sanders' role.
“Deshaun Watson, they say it's going to start the opener.”
Shador Sanders' Press Conference Apology
23:14 to 26:48
Analysis of Shador Sanders' apology regarding his media interactions.
“And if both of them go out there, like the same way we're doing with our quarterbacks right now, when we're watching them, it's so much easier to evaluate you in a real game.”
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The Media's Role in Athlete Dynamics
26:48 to 28:00
Exploration of how media interactions affect athletes and their mental space.
“I don't understand why y 'all media is so counterproductive due to trying to actually build something positive.”
Managing Media Interactions
28:00 to 31:18
Learn strategies for handling media interviews effectively.
“I was like, Hey, I'm talking one day and I believe it ended up, well, it ended up being a Friday at the end of it.”
Jersey Number Controversies
31:24 to 33:55
Explore the complexities of jersey number retirements in college football.
“The issue stems from LSU allowing cornerback DJ Pickett to wear number five, the same jersey number Jaden Daniels wore when he won the Heisman Trophy at LSU.”
Jersey Number Controversies
34:00 to 36:23
Explore the complexities of jersey number retirements in college football.
“Ice Cube's Big 3 Season 9 is coming down to the wire.”
Ego in Sports: The Impact of Jersey Numbers
36:31 to 42:00
Discuss the role of ego and pride in the context of jersey numbers in sports.
“Through that, I think Lane Kiffin is now the coach.”
Discussion on College Player Legacy
42:00 to 43:50
Exploration of the impact of university legacy on players like Jaden Daniels.
“what somebody's number, somebody is wearing in college that they never said that they were going to retire for you or however that process is.”
JJ McCarthy's QB Situation at Vikings
43:50 to 46:15
Analysis of JJ McCarthy's response to losing the starting QB job.
“McCarthy, he said he wants to stay with the Vikings after losing the starting quarterback job.”
Debate on Control in QB Selection
46:15 to 49:20
Discussion on the dynamics of control in quarterback selection and performance.
“I'm getting to continue to do whatever the organization needs to do for this team.”
Debate on Control in QB Selection
51:01 to 51:24
Discussion on the dynamics of control in quarterback selection and performance.
“With ChatGPT work, you bring the goal, plus real inputs like briefs, notes, files, feedback, data, and project plans.”
Debate on Control in QB Selection
51:52 to 53:00
Discussion on the dynamics of control in quarterback selection and performance.
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Transcript
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4:02Welcome back to this episode of Debo and Joe. I'm your host James Debo Harrison. I'm here with my co-host Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like, subscribe, and download where you get your show. Spotify, whatever that may be, wherever it is. Download that thing, iHeart. Download that thing. Yes, sir. How you doing today, Joe? Debo, my good brethren. I'm doing amazing. You know why? I know you know why. Hat fire. Hat fire again. You had game, Debo. You told me a while back you was going to continue to do different hats. You haven't stopped yet. You haven't stopped yet. Hey, can't stop, won't stop.
4:45We had football, though, yesterday, Debo. Yes, sir. Before we get to that, baby, listen here. I got to thank the people at training camp, man. I got to thank the PR team out there, man, for allowing us to get in there and do what it is we do, making sure they got us guests that were on there to talk to guys. You know, we still got a couple more people, you know, big man, you know, that we go get to later on down the line after training camp is over with. But hospitality was on 1 ,000. 1 ,000. 1 ,000. 1 ,000. But look here, man. Yes, sir. Somebody played some football. Yes, Debo. It was a preseason ball, and it was happening.
5:28Hey, Joe, it was happening. I ain't going to say what the score was. I ain't going to say it was 29. I ain't going to say 29. I ain't going to say still looking out there. Look at us. We're getting very, this is what I'm saying. It's preseason. You know, we're getting excited. You know what I'm saying? Very excited because it's football finally. We finally seen we get to play against another team as referees. They're keeping score. So we need to win. They are keeping score and they are calling what they're calling. Joseph, listen. A rookie quarterback that we picked up in the third round. Drew, Drew, Drew.
6:04Aller. Aller. See, I got that Aller. Even though I got my pussy. I got him. Aller. I messed it up. Come on, man. We done kicked it with Drew. He was the good man at the show. Come on, man. Sitting right there. Good man was right there. Sitting right there, man. Look here. Preseason debut. The man was 10 to 13. 154 yards. Three touchdowns. Two thrown. One ran in. And zero interceptions. So, what do you think of my man's first performance? Debo, like I'm saying, too, we're all excited. But look, first and foremost, I'm happy with what I saw from Drew. Honestly. He was in the pocket, standing tall, making good decisions.
6:47The ball was spinning out of his hands really well. Obviously, when you get the first play and you get the ball out of your hands and your man gets crazy for a 74-yard skedaddle down to, you know what I'm saying, down to like the three yard line, that kind of gets your mojo going. When you get the slant and your man can take that and get that good yak yards, that just gets the quarterback flowing. Then with the read option, showing he has a little athleticism, being able to get into the end zone, you know, little speed, it looked good. I was very, very happy to see him go out there and do that with just running the offense, not doing nothing crazy.
7:23A lot of those touchdown passes that he has were just dumps to the flat, smooth, get the ball out of your hands. It's early in the preseason. So like we said, we're just excited to see football. But from what you see there, I don't want to crown. You're not going to go crowning him. But all you want to do is continue to see him execute, stand tall in the pocket, be able to do what he's doing, be able to make plays with his legs, be able to get the ball out of his hands. And from what I saw, it looked good. All of our quarterbacks, though, Depot, looked good. The offense. Look here, man. But when you go and you look at Drew, though, What we were talking about with him is a big thing at Penn State.
7:59They were talking about his issue with his footwork. Mike McCarthy. I've seen pristine footwork. They talked about his decision-making and his timing. I've seen good decision-making. I've seen perfect timing. Okay, Joe. Look here, man. The man sat in the pocket. Like Mike McCarthy said, what did he say? He said he was poised. You know what I'm saying? He said he was very poised. That's what he said about his quarterback after the game, man. Listen, you got the quarterback whisperer sitting over there with him. Listen, that arm was never an issue. He could laser that thing, put it wherever it needed to get to.
8:36He just had a problem of making sure he got exactly where he wanted to put it. And right now, if this right here is any indication, if this is the basement where we started off first game, the incline, Joe, where we going from here? It's nowhere without. But that's the one thing I'm saying too, though, Debo. just about our offense in general. We had some good. We had some bad. But right now, we're going with the good. Let's go with the good first. With all of our quarterbacks, each one, Mason Rudolph was a pinky toe away from going 11-4-11, going perfect. You know what I'm saying? That touchdown in the back of the end zone, he throwing people off of him.
9:17We had the one. He went 10-4-11. That was his only incomplete pass of the game. You know what I'm saying? Then second quarterback comes in there, Will Howard. He went seven for nine for 86 yards. You know what I'm saying? He ran the two-minute drill to perfection. That dude, Robert Tanya, oh my goodness. That dude, the third tight end, he was fine to him all through that two-minute drill, right on the money, that post ball he threw him. He's a centimeter away from a tutty. You know what I'm saying? So Will Howard running that two-minute drill, getting the ball down there, perfect timing, hitting the ball, hitting Robert Tanya.
9:51So the offense right there with him coming in, Will Howard, He looked good also. His first series, when he tried to start scrambling, he's a little, you know what I'm saying, he's not a scrambler. That dream made me laugh when I saw him trying to get out of the pocket. I'm like, all right, Will, all right, Will, don't hurt yourself now. You don't, okay, you're not that fast. Okay, that's all good. You know what I'm saying? I see it. But the second series, he looked good. The two-minute drill, he drove it down there looking smooth. Then Drew came in there, like we said, and he did exactly what he had to do.
10:19The 153 looks crazy because when you get a slant that goes 74 yards, after that, man, you know what I'm saying? Everything else you really do, the rest of his completions was for about 70 yards. You know what I'm saying? Getting people open, not doing nothing crazy. So I like the flow of the offense where all of the quarterbacks, I was looking like this. Nobody's looking bad. Nobody's out here just throwing the ball away. Will Howard on that fourth and one, not throwing it to the flat, throwing it to the seven, high corner ball. I was like, okay, give him a little touch, Will, on fourth and one, just stepping in there, throwing that pass.
10:52I'm like, okay, quarterbacks were looking good. They didn't, Mason and Will missed on touchdowns, you know what I'm saying, just by a little bit. But when Drew got in there, he was able to get all of those tutties. So offenses looked good just by all of the quarterbacks being able to just flow. Nobody was doing nothing crazy. Nobody was throwing nothing out of, like, throwing passes that didn't need to be thrown. Everybody was taking what the defense gave them, and we were methodically moving down the field. So that's one thing I really liked about all the quarterbacks. It's like, that's the offense.
11:26That's what Mike McCarthy is going to bring to them. Look, I'm going to give you this A and B. These are going to be the decision-making. So everybody looked prepared. So that's what I really liked about the O. Dude, Jeremy Bernard? Jeremy? Yes. Hey, he was active when he got that round. Yes, he did. Listen, he ain't going down easy. That boy is not going down easy. No. He also could have had that touchdown. You got to dead that leg. A half foot. You got to just dead that leg. A half foot. He hit him a little bit, you know what I'm saying? But like I said, hey. He's in the air. He's trying to push him out of bounds.
11:58They get paid, too. They get paid, too. They do. They do. They get paid, too. It was good to see Bridget Jones back out there, man. That was good to see him back out there. You know, able to go out there and get back into it. Only my concern was a little bit with the first offensive line. See, look, we was going with the good. Now we can go with a little bit of the bad. Penalties. Penalties, number one. And then Cook on that right side, I don't know. Oh, you're dealing. I didn't like that performance over there. Because when Mason was getting sacked, it was Cook got in two seconds. Like, give him some resistance.
12:35And then the second one was backs on backers. He just kind of ran smack through him and took him to the quarterback. So I was like, all right, offensive line, you know what I'm saying, looked a little sketch because the run game wasn't going too crazy, but it's early. The run game wasn't too crazy. It's early still. I understand that. But at the same time, you want to see something better than, what was it, 2.6 yards in total? You want to see something better than that. The penalties, we had five penalties in the first quarter for 55 yards. Took away the touchdown run on a hold. You know what I'm saying?
13:08Special teams. God dang. Like, we got special teams penalties going crazy. So that's just one thing. It's still early, young dudes just making mistakes, lining up over the snapper. Like, come on, just little stuff. Like, don't do that and let them, you know what I'm saying, continue to drive. So basic things like don't self-inflicted wounds. Still good. Defense didn't give up a touchdown. You know what I'm saying? So good, good. I like to see us a little stout on some of those runs. You know, we had some guys that got up out of there a little bit, but, you know, other than that, I think the whole process went well.
13:47Like you said, the things that need to improve really need to improve. But, you know, the quarterback whisperer, I think he whispered, man. Mason was out there. Mason was out there and was a pinky toe away from 11-4-11, Debo, with a tutty. Yes, sir. Hey, shout out to Asante Samuel Jr. Also, he was out there. Hey, no panic. No nothing. So what was going on? What are we talking about? Didn't panic with the turn and try and dive into the... No, let me see where it's at. Okay, let me get on through here real quick. No, definitely. Shout out to Asante Samuel Jr. because he had that same neck thing that Darryl Jones has, right?
14:34So being able to see him come back another year healthy, he was a starter. He was a first-round pick. He had like three picks in the first half of a game before in the league. So he's not no jank. So if he's able to come back and really play at this high level, it's going to do nothing but help out that secondary. Because we got Joey Porter Jr., obviously. We got Sean Dean, get him right, Jalen Ramsey. But if we can get, if Asante Samuel Jr. can really play like a top corner, and when he was out there, slot fade, like you said, Debo, he's playing, not panicking. He knows his speed, ball skills.
15:07Like looking back to the ball, boom, let me get that. Like, easy work. So if he can play like that, continue to play at that high level, he's going to do nothing but helping our defense. So I wanted to shout him out for sure. Hey, I'm going to give a shout-out to Ben Skoranek, too. Ben went out there. He got a penalty, though. You know what I'm saying? You got to be a little more careful when you knock some dude down and he end up in front. You can't just give him the little push. If he hadn't gave him the little push, he might have got away with just a little bump. You know what I'm saying? He made some catches out there, too.
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18:49He was out there. Shout out to Nicholas. What's good with them with our running back situation, too, is looking like it might be, obviously, Rico Dotto and Jalen Warren are our top two running backs. Then it's until, you know, we drafted Caleb Johnson, like last year, want to see what he's doing. But that dude, Nicholas, I say, Nicholas was toting that pill. Nicholas was toting that pill. He was running hard. He's looking nice out there. He's looking nice out there, though. Now, look here. We got two running backs, though. You know you're going to have to go ahead and shine on the special teams.
19:18you want to go ahead and get you a spot locked down and not be in that practice right now. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Look here, the Browns, Deshaun Watson, they say it's going to start the opener. The Cleveland Browns have named Deshaun Watson their starting quarterback for their preseason game Saturday against the Bears. According to your boy Adam Scheffner, the plan is to start Shador Sanders in the second half, sorry, in the second preseason game at next Saturday's game against the Bills. Yes. yes sir what do you think man you think this is uh you know them trying to get the door to the backseat or you think them they they they trying to actually give this man an opportunity because i don't i don't know you tell me you know i'm saying that's your that's your squad you got more of an understanding of what's going over and over there you know how confident are you in uh the the plan will go as they say i should i should i'm i'm I'm confident because, look, we have two preseason games where we're going to have to figure out what's going on.
20:25He said Deshaun Watson's going to start one game, and he said Shador Sanders is going to start one game. So I'm just going to go for it. I'm going to take his word for it. So with this, let Deshaun Watson start the first game. It's going to be a way, I think just with the crowd-wise, you said either one of them is going to start. Let him start the first one. Smooth. Let's see what Deshaun can go out there and do. Give them a great chance. Let them start at practice. You know what I'm saying? Warm them up. So let's give them the best chance to succeed. My whole thing is then next week when it's Shador Sanders' chance to play, they're going to Buffalo.
20:59It's going to be joint practices. So leading up to that, how many reps? Get Shador all of these reps to one so he can be in there, get familiar with his squad too. I'm just wondering how the practice reps are going to look going into the preseason game. I thought they was at home against Buffalo. They ain't at home against Buffalo? They home against Buffalo? I think they might be home against – if they home against Buffalo, they're still practicing versus Buffalo. It's still joint practices. So, Buffalo might be coming to us. We might be going to them. I just know it's joint practices that week before we play.
21:32Yeah, I think the Buffalo game is at home. Right. So, Joe. Yes. You know me, Joe. I like to think. so I think it will go as planned I ain't gonna I ain't gonna I ain't gonna do it I think it'll go as planned but I think it could possibly change because Monken did say he wanted to see the quarterbacks play a half and do um get a two minute you know get a two minute drive situation So if he doesn't get a two-minute drive situation, I think that could possibly change. I think that's the only way that it changes. Like you said, Shador will start the next game, and he'll get this opportunity to go out there, play against the ones, and show what he can do.
22:24And it'll be more against the ones because that'll be the second game. So it should be all your starters in there, at least for the first quarter, if not the first half of the game. Yeah. So I'm going to roll with the positivity of the situation right now. But I also think it might be a coordinated effort to let my guy Shador get the first preseason start at the crib. The fans want to see him, yo. The fans definitely want to see him. The fans definitely want to see him. They've been getting that nod at preseason. You can't. They calling the man out the tunnel, Joe. I'm trying to tell you right now.
23:04It's going to be jumping. Look, all we got to do, because I want to see both of them be able to get out there and play. I want Deshaun to get his shot. I want Shador to get his shot. And if both of them go out there, like the same way we're doing with our quarterbacks right now, when we're watching them, it's so much easier to evaluate you in a real game. Like we see how you're coming out of the huddle. Are you running the offense right? Are you being able to get people to the line? Are there just cadency issues? You know what I'm saying? Like, so we get to, it's so much different when you go out there and now like our coach, we hear what you're saying, Todd Munkin.
23:37Let's go see. Then they're saying now that he said that Deshaun Watson is obviously more athletic and Shador has a stronger arm. I'm like, okay, so let's go see what it looks like in the game. What's going to work to make our offense look best? Who moves the ball the best? Like, let's watch and see that. So I can't wait to see the Browns be able to get a chance to see our team, see our quarterbacks out there play. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So I guess Shador, he apologized to the reporters for his actions at a previous press conference. Shador Sanders apologized to the media after being frustrated and short with the reporter.
24:16We got the clip. Let's see what he said. Let's go. I want to apologize for how things was last time I came up here before y 'all. I think dearly, I dislike when it's a lot of separation and when something gets between the team and people get painted a certain way and all this different type of stuff. So that's where I get frustrated and I shut down, you know, because this doesn't help us win. So it's kind of like an option but not an option. So I don't, I feel drained when I express myself to people and places and cameras when it's not perceived and taken the right way or we're trying to divide the team or anything like that.
25:03So that's where I was just trying to preserve my energy from going in depth with a lot of things. So, yeah. So I guess the door had previously become upset with a question about his quarterback competition with Sean Watson, and declining to answer it by saying next question. I answered that question a thousand times before. Hey, Joe, you think it was necessary for my guy to apologize? I don't think it was necessary for him to apologize, but I just think he's trying to just be a real person and kind of let them know, like, if y 'all keep asking me the same questions, like, at the end of the day, I'm really just trying to be in this.
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25:41I got feelings. And y 'all keep asking me the same thing. I'm trying to be the best that I can be, and if this has anything to break up the team, If I say something, y 'all are going to make it into something. So I'm trying to just keep it as chill as possible because I got a quarterback competition I'm trying to go and do. I know the media can spend anything I say to make it look, put me and Deshaun versus each other. I understand. I just need to be the best quarterback that I can be to try to win this job. So me getting pissed at you guys is kind of like, leave me alone a little bit. This isn't helping out my situation.
26:12But at the same time, now when I'm coming back, I'm going to apologize because I'm not honestly mad at you guys. this is what it is. You're asking me the same question and I can't dive into an answer because I have nothing for you. I'm working to be the best that I can be. I'm in obviously quarterback competition versus Sean Watson. What else do y 'all want from me? I've told y 'all I'm out here. We're battling. We're fighting. It's just the same answer. You keep asking me the same question and suddenly keep having to give you the same answer. I'm going to tell you how I really feel. It's just I can't tell y 'all what's up.
26:44You know what it is. is just annoying. Y 'all are getting a little annoying. Yeah, look here, man. I don't understand why y 'all media is so counterproductive due to trying to actually build something positive. It's like everything they want to report is drama-based. If it's no drama, they don't want it. I definitely don't think it was necessary for him to apologize. Like you said, you get sick and tired of answering the same question over and over. And this is something that like I think he's going to have to come to the realization of like understanding like he may have to cut cut down the access so like when I got to the point when I was playing bro that I was being asked questions and I had to you know like regularly talk to people and now you know I'm getting interviews every day and I started to get frustrated dude I'm being asked the same question by different people and you know it's over and over again and you know what I was like I just said to the media, I'm like, yo, I'm going to do one day.
27:47And I think it was like, I think it started off like Thursday, ended up going to a Friday or whatever it was. But like for all that local media that want to come in there and ask you those questions, or they come in and they do whatever you got to, you know, your Saturday production meetings and all that stuff, but that's different. You know, you, you go do that anyway. And you know what? I was like, Hey, I'm talking one day and I believe it ended up, well, it ended up being a Friday at the end of it. Okay. And I'm like, I'm talking Friday. And after that, then I'm not, you know, I'm, I'm not talking about that.
28:19No. So I go to my locker on that Friday, like, yo, they be coming. I'm like, all right, you ready? Yeah, I'm ready. Let's, you know, let's go ahead and do it. And I mean, if they wanted to, I guess they could have complained about it and said, you know, he, he wasn't available or whatever, you know, every day for, for interview, but I could have made myself available and I would just sit there and I wouldn't answer your question. I can talk about whatever I want to talk about. I just got to make myself available. It don't mean I have to answer that question. So I think what he's going to have to do is just go ahead and be like, yo, you can ask me questions on this day.
28:52This is the day you can ask me questions. And the reason I started making mine Friday is that, you know, I was starting to get fined yesterday. No, I feel you. I'm like, you know what? On Friday, they can't ask me nothing about what happened on Sunday. They can't ask me nothing about what happened on Monday, on Tuesday or Wednesday, because it's going to be old news. So Friday, all you can ask me about is my next opponent and what we're going to do and how that approach is going to be to dealing with them. And all that other stuff is now overuse. So I think that's a situation where he's going to have to, you know, like sit down and be like, you know what?
29:23This is what it's going to be. Hey, Brody, and I'm going to tell you this, Debo, and for real, for real, you want to give the media answers. You're feeling like you want to answer questions, but at the end of the day, you're going to have to just give boring interviews. Don't, like, not that I'm here so I won't get fined, but basically, like, just, oh, yeah, we're preparing. Marshawn. Yeah, we're here preparing for the team. We're preparing for our opponent. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to do the best that I can. Like, you can literally not answer their question. And they won't click on you.
29:53It won't be an entertaining interview at all. But they're going to be like, man, I'm going to stop interviewing this dude because he's not giving me nothing. I'm like this, yeah, because I have nothing to give you. You just want me to say something crazy to where I'm not answering your questions. You're like, yeah, because right now, you're not asking me about the game. You're asking about a whole nother man that I'm in competition with. You're asking about Deshaun Watson. I don't want to talk about that. Like, I'm Shador Sanders trying to become the best player I can. You're asking me about Deshaun.
30:19Oh, you know, he's working hard. Like, the questions, it is an annoying question. So I'm going to give you a boring ass answer to where there's nothing. He's like, all right, bet. Now, I'm like, I'm going to stop asking this man because he's not giving me nothing. But listen, you can say next question the whole time. No, for sure. And don't feel bad about it. Next question. Hey, next question. You can keep going and going. Like, dude, answer what it is that you want to answer. And then when you get down to it, like for me, I'm like, dude, I'm frustrated giving this dude the same answer. I'm like, dude, I just answered this question like three times over the last three days.
30:53And just because your ass just got here, I got to answer. No, listen, what we're going to do is we're going to cut this down. So I just went on ahead and I started stretching during the time that, you know, I was getting ready for practice and all that during the time that they had the media time. And then when they kicked the media out and I went back into the locker room and started getting ready for practice. It's going to come a point in time where he may he may have to do that.
31:17DJ Pickett won't budge on the number five amid Jalen Daniels, LSU. Okay, so I guess Jaden Daniels' attorney has informed LSU that it can no longer use his name, likeness, image, and a cease and desist letter. The issue stems from LSU allowing cornerback DJ Pickett to wear number five, the same jersey number Jaden Daniels wore when he won the Heisman Trophy at LSU. in a statement from Daniel's spokesperson that Daniel's family is deeply disappointed and feels profoundly disrespected by LSU's decision to give Jaden's number to another player. Jaden and his family have every reason to believe that his number would remain a meaningful part of LSU's legacy and would be honored and protected in recognition of his extraordinary contributions to the university.
32:10Well, what's up, Debo? How you feel about that, Debo? Yes. Me personally, just looking at it, I don't know what happened. But from reading it, the number was not retired. Yes. You look at the Pittsburgh Steelers. Pittsburgh Steelers got three numbers that's retired. 2002, it was Franco. They retired Franco's number. That's number 32. And then in 2014, they retired Joe Green's number, 75. And then I think it was 1964. It was Ernie Starr. What is it? It was Ernie. I can't pronounce his last name because you know I'm horrible. Anyway, but they also have numbers that they don't put into circulation.
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37:23Ego and pride, bro. Like, the number's not retired. They keep it in the process. Through that, I think Lane Kiffin is now the coach. Yeah, he is now the coach. Lane Kiffin is now the coach. And the guy, I guess, before that was... I forgot about him. He must have been... He must have said something to Jaden like he was going to do. Like, he might have wanted to retire from him. I can't think... Who was it? Brian Kelly. Yes. Brian Kelly. Okay. So, it was Brian Kelly. That told him and promised him that he could wear number five. That's what he told him in the recruiting process. Okay. Lane Kiffin ends up getting over there.
37:59He tells, he tells Lane, hey, they told me I could wear five. Lane said, okay, cool. They promised he could wear five. He let him wear the number because it's not retired. Yeah. So, I mean, I don't, I don't think you got, I don't think you got a leg to stand on there or should really have a big issue. You know, I'm not saying, you know, that LSU, you know, disrespected the Daniels family by letting Duke use his number. They never said that the number was retired. You want your number to not be used, you got to get them to retire that thing. They usually come with a little bit of paper. You know how they go.
38:35You got to donate a little bit of paper to the university. And ego. The big thing is ego. You know what? Jerry. Jerry Jones. Dallas. Dallas. 88. Dallas 88 has been a thing for what they say 53 years. So since 1973, first person that that wore 73 to 83 was Drew Pearson. That was the original 88 Hall of Famer, first team all pro, all that good stuff, right? After that, Michael Irvin. And then you had Dez Bryant, and now you got cd lamp like it's no ego like like with that number you can't wear my number or however that process goes they like you know what man look here this is the number that goes to the guy that plays at this position and that's our dog and this is who getting it if we feel like he deserves to wear it and when it comes down to it everybody's going to know what your number was if you were that dude in that number on that team.
39:38And right now, 88. For the Dallas Cowboys, who are you thinking of when they say 88? Michael Irvin. Michael Irvin. And that's what it is. Jenny with the CD. Like, and they just, you gonna be a baller to rock that jersey. And Michael Irvin looks at it like a writer passes. Like, hell yeah. Give my number one to rock the jersey. And that's what I was looking at with LSU about like number seven with Patrick Peterson, with Leonard Fournette, with Honey Badger. Like, I don't know about the situation about how they retire in the numbers. It's not retired officially. So it's like, I feel like when you get your jersey retired, it's not for you to retire your jersey.
40:15It's for like you to come in like the team or the school. That's something that they put upon you. Like, no, I'm in the Hall of Fame. No, the team, that's somebody, they put you in that. It just makes me feel a little like, not like, what is it? Just... What is a word I'm looking for? Like, you just feel like entitlement. That's what I'm thinking. It's kind of like a little bit of entitlement. Like Tim Tebow rocked 15 in Florida. He's not going saying like nobody can ever rock 15. People are rocking 15 at Florida because Tebow would be, I'd be like, yo, if anybody retired a number in Florida, 15.
40:53Like Tebow, you did your thing. He's looking at it like, no, Anthony Richardson got the word. The next quarterback, he's probably just looking at his name. And if the Florida Gators were to come and retire Tebow's number, nobody would say nothing. We'd be like, oh, yeah, Tebow, you deserve that. Like, it should have been retired. Like, a long time ago, his jersey could have been retired a year after he played. Retire it. Boom. Tebow, you did everything you needed to do for this university, and you should get your number retired. He hasn't said nothing. He's just chilling because I think if it happens eventually, it's going to happen.
41:22But the entitlement of, like, no, y 'all need to do this for me. I'm like, bro, nobody need to do nothing. Right, bro. You bro right now, bro. waiting and when it happens it's going to happen you're obviously like let let let time go but i just feel like when people start feeling entitled to things i just nah i need to be in there i'm like just just it's obviously you do you you have the right to feel the way you want to do but now you're like nah nobody can't wear my there i'm like this like if they did not say they're retiring and nobody else would wear you have nothing to stand on it's just your ego and that's it.
41:57That's what's talking. Like, you're worried about what somebody's number, somebody is wearing in college that they never said that they were going to retire for you or however that process is. They're saying it's not retired, so they obviously didn't retire the number. No matter what they said, it ain't. It's still there. Like, you're over here in Washington, bro. Why are you worried about that? Like, you need to be worrying about what you're going to do to stay healthy over here in Washington so you can stay on the field, bro. You over here worried about, you got your lawyer sitting and all this other stuff, but man, stop it.
42:30When I was looking at my man, when I heard Leonard Fournette, he spoke on it like, yo, Jaden Daniels, you're not bigger. You're not bigger than the university. More people are always going to come in and it's going to be what it is. So let them bless you. You've done amazing and abundant for this school. So they're going to come back and get you right. You know what I'm saying? But LSU is going to move on regardless. LSU is going to beat LSU. There was a Joe Burrow. There was a Jaden Daniels, there's going to be another five-star first-round pick quarterback that hopefully comes here that's going to ball out and maybe break your records.
43:01You know what I'm saying? So, LSU ain't going nowhere. So, just let it be cool because we know what you did here. We're going to respect it. But coming at him. I think that may come with the fear of somebody else wearing it and you being forgotten. See, when you're saying that, Debo, I can't even understand that because it's like, what? You did what you did. You had that Heisman. You are Jaden Daniels. Like, that is what it is. Nobody can ever take that away from you. What if a dude come behind him, come in, get that five and win two Heisman and go as the first pick? They going to still remember me?
43:36I'll tell you this now. Now, though, they going to stop. They ain't got that. They ain't going to use that. They can't use that name. Pride and ego, brother. Right. Yeah, we don't need it no more. Cool. Like, come on, man. Stop that. Listen, J.J. McCarthy, he said he wants to stay with the Vikings after losing the starting quarterback job. As expected, Kyler Murray has been named QB1 over J.J. McCarthy. Here's J.J. McCarthy on the decision. We got the sound, the clip. Listen to it, brother. Look, you know, decision was made that was out of my control. And obviously, every competitor wants to play.
44:17But moving forward, it's just about continuing to work hard and just staying ready for when my numbers call. What were your initial thoughts when you found out the decision had been made? Obviously disappointed. You know, I'm a competitor. But at the end of the day, you know, it's in the past and I'm moving on to the next practice, the next rep, the same mindset I had going into it and focusing on the Giants this week. There's so many things out of our control, like the heat today. and you know it's just really having the discernment to figure out which of the two and you know that was one of the things outside of my control and me attacking and optimizing every opportunity which was in my control and that's all I was focused on.
45:00Joe, my man said it was out of his control. Would you say that is an accurate statement? For who they picked As a starting quarterback It was out of his control Him putting up his best foot forward Nah Joe It's not out of his control Stop it It was all his control He had to outplay Kyler Murray Yes To win the job And basically He did it So I feel you Debo You can't say It's out of your control And then You talking about You gotta have the discernment it still ain't there. Your play dictates if you go in there and you're the starting quarterback, obviously, your play through the course of the last whatever time they've been in preseason hasn't dictated that.
45:55And now, you know, he's talking about what is it? He wants to he wants to be there. You know, he said, this is the place I want to be. I love hold up. I love every single person in the building. I love this state. I love the fan base. I'm getting to continue to do whatever the organization needs to do for this team. Well, damn. JJ, where was that energy when Kyler Murray first got there? Come on. it was, I'm over here, he over there, and we are meeting in the middle of the motherfucking room right here, motherfucking now. Like, it wasn't, that wasn't the energy then, bro. Like, it was, hey, he over there, I'm over here.
46:49This is what it is. I'm good. Do yourself, you know, this is my team, blah, blah, blah. Now, he's another one of your teammates I care and respect. Just like all other teammates in the locker room. Yeah. And you know they got Carson Wentz over there too. So all this right now, he probably thinking they might trade his ass if they can get something for him. I don't even know who would do that after his performance in the last year and then losing your job right now. What do you think? Man, Debo, look, when you say he's out of his control, his play was all in his control. His play, what he did, how he made himself look out there, the passes that he threw on during this offseason.
47:37He's having a legitimate quarterback battle. So this quarterback battle, it reminds me of when Deshaun Watson and Shador, they're having a quarterback battle. But the way that they went about it was the right way. When they're not trying to start no drama, we understand what it is here. We're just trying to put the best foot forward. J.J. McCarthy, he made it into a me versus him. I don't need nothing from Bruce. He's sitting over there. I'm sitting over here. So at the end of the day, you got to put your – now stand on it. When you go out there and your coach says, no, he's going to be the starting quarterback now, that must mean you had your shot, he had his shot, he outperformed you.
48:13So now you're like, this is out of my control. It was completely in your control, but he's trying to – the coach is going to look at the tape and he's going to be able to decide who he likes because you put your best foot forward. Colin Murray put his best foot forward. Did the Vikings get a new coach? Your coach is looking at this and saying, Colin Murray is going to give us the best chance to win. so joe joe did the vikings get a new coach did they get a new head coach this year no they didn't so they drafted him yeah they drafted you okay and now you're not the starter do you think he wants to make himself look bad in the draft process and it's out of your control hell no i know a lot of coaches that will fight and stumble and kill themselves to keep they ones and twos in a position to make it look like they made the right choice.
49:02He ain't doing that. He ain't. It was all in your control and you lost control of it. Thinking that you were, I think this might be a point where, you know, everybody thinks they're better than what they are. You're not as bad as they say you are, but you ain't as good as you think you are. Coach McIntyre does that all the time. You know what I'm saying? And I think this is a situation where he needs to realize he's not as good as he thought he was. but he's also not as bad as the negative people say he is. And right now, his discernment needs to come up. At the end of the day, when you have another, when Colin Murray comes over there, Colin Murray was the number one overall pick.
49:40So maybe the situation may not have been what he needed in Arizona. He comes over here to the Vikings with a good offensive coach, a good offensive coordinator that's putting him, giving him knowledge to, oh no, this is where we need to go with the ball. Decision making, like helping him out, improving his skills as a quarterback. And you got J.J. McCarthy in here that thinks that it is what it is. No, when you see Kyler Murray now, oh, no, he can really spin the ball. He just needed a little bit better coaching. He's actually better than you. You know what I'm saying? So just the cockiness of thinking, oh, no, no, you see a real one coming in here.
50:10What's my man? Jetta sees it. Jefferson is getting these balls. He's like, oh, my goodness. Like, I don't. Okay, J.J., you was here last year. That was. But this dude can really throw the ball. Now we got a coordinator and a coach that's putting him in a position like not making him have to freestyle. Like just running around like a chicken with his head off. Because the man can run. He can move and he can throw. He has a strong arm. So Colin Murray has all the attributes. He may be short for sure, but I don't give up. I don't care. He's fast. He's down to 4 '3". Right. You don't coordinate. JJ, at the beginning, I don't need nothing from it.
50:44I don't need no veteran leadership and none of that. You know, I'm here. He's number one overall pick. He's been in the league longer than you. He got a little bit more knowledge. I would hope so. And you talking about you don't, especially after what you churned in last year? Bro, stop playing. Some people use ChatGPT to answer questions. Others use it to get real work done. With ChatGPT work, you bring the goal, plus real inputs like briefs, notes, files, feedback, data, and project plans. It can help turn them into an analysis, tracker, deck outline, prototype, or workflow you can review and keep shaping.
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