Deebo & Joe - Part 1: James Harrison & Joe Haden Grade Steelers & Browns 2026 NFL Draft Class

24:31James Harrison:Antonio Brown didn't have contested catch issues. Listen, listen. He only had seven. Look, listen. He's going to get onto the jug machines. He's a pro. I love his work ethic. And also, bringing him into the mix, we got him doing special teams. He's also the best punt returner and kickoff returner. So we knocking off. We're helping out our offense inside the ball, and we're helping out special teams. You know how it's a four-phase game. Can I ask you something, Joe? The teams was looking crazy. So he's going to be also helping us out crazy at special teams. Joe, can I ask you something, Joe? What?

25:06James Harrison:Wow. And his routes were crazy. Yeah, yeah. Are you throwing all the fingers? You throwing all the fingers and I can't say what? I'm just saying. Joe, Joe, Joe, you said you go put him on the judgment scene so he can catch the ball. He's still going. He's still averaging 14 yards a catch and he got 25 touchdowns. I understand what you're saying, but the judgment scene, it don't give you no interference, you know? Like those physical DBs. He's still going to be getting all that. He has a problem. He's getting all that work. All that work in training camp. Physical DB coverage. All that training camp work.

25:41James Harrison:We got Denzel Ward over there. With big physical DBs. He's going to be playing against Denzel Ward. Are you kidding me? We got straps over there. That's going to be getting him right. Iron sharpens iron. Iron. That Cleveland Browns defense are dogs over there. So they're going to be getting these young receivers right the whole time. I'm just saying. I know he has some issues. And then, okay, we was talking about that. And then we go to our next pick. And we go get another steal. Big body. Big body. Denzel Boston. From Washington. Six-four. He should have been even if they would have slipped spots.

26:15James Harrison:Crazy part was, if Denzel would have went first round and we would have got Concepcion in the second round, I still would have thought we won. Don't matter. All We still got our tackle, and we got these two balling receivers that we need because our receiver room, obviously, we had 117. Can I ask you a question? Where's your one at? I still ain't heard of your one receiver. Look, right now, it's looking like Denzel's big body could be. He's looking more as he could possibly be one. How is he going to be one? He got average speed, dude. He got separation issues. His route running needs help. Listen.

26:52James Harrison:Very little. Listen, big body, he's going to go up 50-50 balls. If you're standing right there next to him, is Mike Evans the most breaking away from everybody? Is his speed the most crazy thing? No. We can still have big body. Is T. Higgins the fastest guy out there? No, he's not. But his big body, you throw that 50-50, he's going to head top you. And those, that's going to make his speed even better. So you're saying you throw that 50-50 up against nephew. I'm going, Judy. Nephew. Up against nephew. Look. Up against nephew. Nephew's a baller. Nephew, I'm not. Up against nephew. You think he getting that?

27:27James Harrison:No. It's 50-50, boss. That's right there. All the stuff he doesn't have. You know what that sounds like to me? That sounds like victim to nephew. No, you sound crazy. Ain't no victim. Ain't no victim in Boston. Ain't no victim in Denzel Boston. Ain't anybody wearing orange. And then, okay, look, we go there. So now we got the two receivers and my man, Judy, ready to ball out again. Judy getting right. Same thing. Got another year to spaz. Judy got it in him, and we know he do. So, Judy, Kasepsie, Denzel. Okay. Then, we go and get the safety from Toledo. Look, we drafted eight. We had ten picks.

28:09James Harrison:We went and got eight on offense, because we know that's what we need. But when we did step in and go get a defensive player, we went and got the 33rd prospect at pick number 58. What are we talking about? Baller, ball skills, 10-4's fumbles. He's going to come lay a hat. So just adding any additional to our defenses. His size is an issue, buddy. Man, no. He's a very inconsistent tackler. Touch your mouth. They be out there talking. No, no. I play for the state. You're reading false film. He is going to be a wish. You're reading false film. It's going to be an issue for him. The changes is going to be an issue for him.

28:46You're reading false film. I know. I know.

28:49James Harrison:You're reading false film. I'm reading false film. So now I'm blind and can't see. Yep. And then with that third, and then with the next pick, we go into the third round, and you know where we go. You know where we go. Where the ball has come from. Went to go find my man. Offensive tackle from Florida Gators. Austin Barber. Big bruh. 6 '6". 3 '16". Played tackle. So just, we're doing now, now we're just making sure. Depth. Everything's good. But the same way we went and got all of, we went and got traded for Titus Howard, went and signed Tevin Jenkins, re-signed Tevin Jenkins, signed Elton Jenkins, signed Zion Johnson.

29:31James Harrison:And then my boy, our other round, my boy Dalwar Jones, is coming back from a knee injury. So now we're just getting another offensive tackle here. We're just trying to get depth. You talking about we didn't have no line? We got a whole new line. Whole new line. Ballers, too, I might add. So, yeah. So, it's looking good right there. I mean, you wouldn't got to tackle that, you know, a project, so to speak. Listen, no, no, no, no, no. Not Spencer. Spencer's not a project. I didn't say Spencer was a project. I just said that he's going to have to deal with what? Hi, Smith. Everybody's going to have to deal with somebody.

30:09James Harrison:And everybody's coming over there. Everybody's coming over to your squad. He's going to have to deal with Miles Garrett. He's going to deal with Miles Garrett. How about that? He got the most sacks ever. Any player. How many sacks miles get against the Browns last year? I mean, get against the Steelers last year. He might come around. Listen, we're talking about the season. Zero. We'll see. Browns cook, bro. That's all I can really tell you. And you know they cooked. You know what the Browns cook? They went on ahead and cooked. What's that tasty stuff that everybody thinks is so good that's actually trash and you put a little food flavoring into it after you boil it?

30:47Oodles and noodles? The other one. What? What is it called? They call it something ramen. Ramen noodles.

30:56James Harrison:Yeah, I call it oodles and noodles. Ramen. Y 'all made some ramen. D-Bo, you are a full-blown hater. Of? Because of the Cleveland Browns. Okay. Because. I've never denied. You can't. You can't deny. I've never denied that. But you know that. I'm a man of my word. But you know, yeah, you know what it is, though. That was, if you are full-blown straight Steelers fan, I can see why you didn't like what happened. Because the Browns and Andrew Barry did the right thing. We needed, we addressed our actual needs. Whoa, what did they do? They did the right thing in the first three rounds. Be quiet, you keep talking.

31:41James Harrison:God damn. We cooked. We got an A. You see the Browns draft grade? A. Everybody say we got an A. Everybody knows that now you're mad. You're hating. Can I have my time? Because there's been a lot of times when we've been shitty, and we done picked the wrong players, and you come on this motherfucker laughing, and, oh, look, oh, what did the Browns do? Yeah, yeah. Sit right there and look mad. And look pissed. I ain't mad. Because don't look mad. Don't be mad. Don't be mad. Well, be accepting of this, of what happened. of the Browns actually doing what we're supposed to do. Listen, listen. Because I didn't get to talk.

32:20James Harrison:Here, let me, let me, I'm trying to tell you to stop cutting me off. Let me go back. Let me go back. Let me go back. Let me go back. I'm going to go ahead and give y 'all, I'm going to go ahead and give y 'all your flowers. Don't let me talk. I'm going to give you your flowers before, and then you can, then you can go talk. You know what? No, go ahead and say what you go say. I might not give you your flowers. I might get disrespect. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Good on. I'll take the flowers. If you're going to actually get the flowers, I'll take the flowers. If you're going to get the flowers, I'll take the flowers.

32:46All right, Joe. I'm going to give you your flowers, Joe. Please. The organization finally went out there and put their money where their mouth was and actually where they needed to get help at. Yes.

33:10I won't say pleasingly surprised. I'm just like I'm dumbfounded surprised, to be honest, because it's not, you know, it's not the Brown way. OK, I can. I'm taking all that. Yes. But I ain't gonna lie. I got some. I got some good players. But you draft that high. You have no choice.

33:34James Harrison:Okay, okay. All right, all right, all right. I got you. But this is what I'm telling you, D-Bro. When I'm saying this, I'm super passionate because it's been so many other obvious decisions out there that the Browns just wouldn't make. And that gentleman just making me so mad as a Browns fan. Watching from the outside in, you say, oh, they go to Browns. They're going to do some Brown shit. And I'll be like, damn, they are sometimes. And it would suck because you'll watch it and there's nothing you could do. You'll just be a part of it. I'm trying to win. I'm doing my part. And then something just happens to me like this.

34:03James Harrison:God, why? I don't think that's the right move. So when I actually genuinely feel like, damn, there we go. I wanted us to get offensive tackle, wide receivers, help out the squad, telling how we could build the team. And I'm seeing it happening in front of my eyes. So I'm genuinely hype because when you do come on here and you talk shit about us doing dumb things, I don't have a leg to stand on. I sit here and look crazy because I'm like, I did. God, we did. We did. You're right. Right. You're right. So that's my objectivity when I'm like, okay, but we did do good. Okay, now I can be here. Okay, let's have a little party because you finally picked the right plequel.

34:42James Harrison:Look, and it's still early. Plequel? The right people. It's still early, Debo. I'm so excited. It's still early. It's still early. They could still not pan out. But like last year's draft, Harold Fannin Jr. worked out. Carson Swechinger, defensive player of the year. Defensive rookie of the year. You know what I'm saying? And then we got Harold Fannin, the tight end that we drafted. Last year, good players, draft picks, and they ended up panning out. These dudes are the picks that we will want them to draft. We'll see if they pan out. But after the draft, I can have a little party because on paper it looks good.

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39:33James Harrison:You're going to have to? Yes, and the defense, y 'all going to be coming. It's going to be, I want to be able to walk in there believing that we can score some points on offense and our defense is going to be a good defense. I'm coming there with a full team. Y 'all got a full team every time. Still has got a team every time. I want to come in there with a team. I understand, I understand. You don't want to be there. I'll be talking to you and you be, I'll be like, Joe, you be. I'm just not, Debo, I don't even, I'm not, yeah, I don't want to be there.

40:01James Harrison:So, yeah, I'm stuttering. So, I'm over there. I did D-Bo like, yeah, Joe, so I'm like this. He blow my hands like that. I say, yeah, Joe ain't got no answer. Yeah, bro. Hey, Joe. Yes. It's good to see you having this back, man. Brother. It's good to see your joy, even if it's just for a short offseason. You know, just give me a little bit of time. We still got the season to come. We going to have these shows during the week. You know? you gonna come in there with a cigar on me I'm gonna come in there with my bone on with the bone on, with the little, my dog bone Joe, Joe Joe, if you come in there with a dog bone Oh my, see don't even, okay See, now you going crazy Now you going crazy And see, here's the thing Here's the thing, see like It's only two times a year we gonna have any type of objectivity, like only type of conflict for real Only twice a year Oh, now it's conflict.

41:00I thought you wanted both teams to do well. You see? Well, look. Today's show. Today's show.

41:05James Harrison:Today's show. Oh, you better not come back over here. Bro, what you mean? I can't never. Yo, punk ass. Over there. Because we still went and grabbed, what, five more? We got a receiver. He'll be decent. He going to be a good pickup for depth if he can make it through, you know, after you get through that four down there, you know, get a little mess. But the tight end. See, no, no, no. You skipped over that. No, no, no. Don't skip over that. Don't skip over that. Don't skip over that pick. That one, I didn't know about that. That little receiver. My man, what was that? In the fourth round? Hey, you got to really look at it.

41:45James Harrison:You got to really look at it. You got to really look at it. I was really looking at it, and I really thought it was crazy. Made up for it with the tight end right after that. Made up for it. No, that pick really happened. And they strapped him, and I was trying to look up his stats. in this highlight tape. And I was like, oh my, it shouldn't be this hard to find a fourth round draft picks highlight tape. That's first of all. And then the first joint, he's running a little slant. Listen, it's more for the depth of a four or five. He better play, if he's a four-phase special teams guy, he better be.

42:22James Harrison:Gotta be. You understand? Does he play Gunner? He better be Gunner. He better be kicked off the turn. Listen, it's an opening there. It may be an opening there. Look, you got to understand. Him in the fourth round, they have to have a plan. Because that pick right there was crazy. Debo. And you say they keep making up for the tight end. I think you keep trying to go past it because I think you think it was crazy. I didn't say it was crazy. I just said I don't know the intricacies on the inside. I ain't seen the tape. You ain't seen the tape. I ain't seen the tape. Did you look for the tape? You couldn't find the tape.

43:03Like I said, my tight end done made up for it. Okay.

43:10James Harrison:Oh, man. That one was good. The tight end. Okay. Okay. The tight end. Now, that right there, that's a stellar. He made up for it. Okay. Now, for sure. We got a lot of tight ends. Listen. Listen. That is what we want at tight end right there. That's what he is. Okay. He going to put them hands on you. He could go ahead and play that fullback. He could be that flip over that we love. Oh, my goodness. Cam, brother, what are you talking about? But look, that's what I'm trying to tell you. National champion. Okay. Okay. He's got the championship pedigree. Listen, I'm seeing three tight ends set right now.

43:43Okay. You got Washington. You got Friar Moon. And then you got him. Y 'all know what's going to happen. Y 'all coming out there with the big bodies, He's talking about they going to run the ball. You going to say he's the best. He's going to send Washington Fryer, move down the middle and have him protect and maybe slip out on you too. Get out of here.

44:04James Harrison:Yep. He's going to go ahead and get the D-tackle over there at Notre Dame. He's going to go ahead and get the D-tackle over there at Notre Dame. I'm not picking just a returner in the fourth round. I'm going to go with, like, my first round picked a round. Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe. Stop trying to backpedal. Stop trying to backpedal. You picked up KCC Conceptions in the what? Second round? First. First round. Yeah. I would have said it would have been okay for the second. No, you didn't. You picked him up in the second. You got the tackle in the first. No, you got two first round picks. Yes, brother.

44:38James Harrison:That's why I'm trying to let you know. Just so much. So much. I understand. I understand, though. All right. Keep going. Keep going. When you push back to get him, y 'all felt like y 'all got lucky. And then you didn't want to take a chance on that one. because I think that would have still been there too. Fifth round pick for the Cleveland Browns. What you got? Center, Alabama.

45:032 ,400 snaps. SEC depth. Okay, I'll give you that. Need it. You need all the offensive linemen. Y 'all should have no shortage. Y 'all should have just went 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. offensive linemen.

45:25James Harrison:Brother. No, we shouldn't have. Look, don't be coming up here with what we did. Go back. What else y 'all got? We got what is it? Jennings? Robert Spears, Jennings. Okay. What you got to say about, okay. Cool. Like I said, we down there. Right now, we're going to have to speak. I mean, we down there. You know what I'm saying? We down there. We down there. So you can't go wrong. We down there. We got another tight end. I'm going to tell you where we took off at, though. Go ahead. That last pick. Okay. That last pick. The running back. The running back. Hey, hey. Yes. Hey. I like him. That seven-round pick.

46:10Oh, Eli. I like him. Look, bro. Hey, check this. Check it right here. We got a couple videos of him at the draft. Check out his first one, Joe. Let me see.

46:24I am, yeah, I got a

46:29Oh, Steeler

46:33That boy went to over there at what is it ain't thinking of the name, we played him Pittsburgh, he was oh man, give me the name of the high school what's the name of the high school Mount Lebanon, that's what it was he was over there at Mount Lebanon on. He got him a state championship over there. I think it was 21, 20 or 21. I like that. I like that.

47:00James Harrison:Yes, sir. Hey, man, like... Full dress blue. Full dress. Deep.

47:17Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Look here, man. I got another one for you. This is before he was even drafted. Throw up the numbers comparison to somebody named McCaffrey. Uh-oh. Yes. Hey. It's only one. It's only one on there that he ain't tied or better than. Okay. Vertical. Okay. Joe, we got this in the seven. Now, listen. I done watched this tape. Okay? I done watched this tape. Hey, look. Yeah, yeah. Guess what? Guess what? I did, too. I found this tape. Hey, hold on. I done watched this tape. Now, McCaffrey got that unh, unh, unh. He got that unh. He got that unh. He got that unh. Mm-hmm. But McCaffrey got that unh, unh, unh.

48:05Watch this. Yes.

48:06James Harrison:And you see the one-handers? That's a lot of one-handers. A lot of one-handers. Uh-oh. Who did we lose? Who did we lose? It looked like we could put in the same place and do the same thing right now. Gainwell. Thank you. Yep. Thank you. Nah. I keep saying we. Stillers. Us. Me. Stillers, y 'all. You. That's going to be a little. That's what they call that man. They call that man. To be in your friend. They call that man poor man Christian McCaffrey. You mess me up sometime. You know what I'm saying? They call that man poor man Christian McCaffrey. That we going to call it right now. That we going to call it right now.

48:40All right. Until you get out there.

48:41James Harrison:And you up the price. And then. Deebo. Deebo. Deebo. What? All that good old talk. all that good old time. What you talking about? That's it, him. No, no, no, no, no. I'm trying to tell you what, then how just to put icing on the cake, how we went, now I'm going to go back to you. You think you cooked there. Our Cleveland Browns, sixth round pick, happened to be, remember that quarterback you kept on talking about, that Distillers? Fourth quarterback. The one that ran, the one that ran the 4-3, the one that was real athletic, the one that was tall, the one that was like, man, you know who's going to be the steal of the draft.

49:25James Harrison:I don't know what you're talking about. The Steelers, we can get them real late. We can get them real late. I don't know what you're talking about. Remember Taylor Greene? When the Cleveland Browns, the sixth round pick, number 182, the Cleveland Browns select Taylor Greene, quarterback, Arkansas. Boom, boom. Taylor Greene. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's who we got. I mean, that's who I got. That's how my Browns got. Just when people was like, oh, yeah, go get Ty Simpson in the first round and y 'all need to have it with the quarterbacks and all that. We got Deshaun. We got Shador, my good man. All of them are my good man.

50:05Did they really get that quarterback?

50:10James Harrison:Yes, they did, people. At the sixth. So now we just to have people in the room. I think Dylan might got to go. Deshaun depended on what happens. Did they get the quarterback that I was talking about? Yes, we did. When the fuck? Did they do that? Yes, we did, Debo, in the sixth round. Like, you probably wasn't, I don't know if you were still watching or anything, but yeah, that happened, man. So just to put the whole, just everything going for, like, Andrew Barry, I would like to literally tell you. That's what's foolish of y 'all anyway. Now you got what, five, six quarterbacks? That's Browning.

50:55James Harrison:No, that's not. No, that's not. We only got, we only had, listen, you said we need to have arms. It's OTAs and all that. We need to have arms. We need to have active arms. So we got four quarterbacks on the roster right now. That is not, that is perfect. That is perfect. and they know how they're going to split the reps out. Deshaun, listen. These young bulls, listen. How they splitting the reps, Joe? Listen, Taylor Green, he ain't getting no reps. He's getting those members of the Shador reps that he got last year, like those extra sideline joints. Those are him and Dylan Gabriel splitting those baby reps.

51:29James Harrison:And then Shador and Watson are any, that's first team. They're splitting first team reps. And they're going to figure it out from there. Who wants to start? I want Shador to start, and then if he doesn't play, then go to Deshaun. People are thinking the other way. Deshaun's starting to go to Shador if he doesn't play well. I'm more Shador started last year. You already gave my dog Deshaun 200. I'd rather have both of them going for it right now. They're both in the building. They're both doing what they got to do. Let's see. We got time. But we know Shador's there. We're bringing everybody in.

52:01Here, let me give you a little situation scenario over there, okay? What's up? Now, you say you got them basically 1A, 1B, okay? Now, you got them in there competing against each other. Yeah. And you see about that much difference better in Watson.

52:20James Harrison:I'm leaning towards Shador because on the field, Shashon Watson is a professional. He's been in the league longer. That underwear quarterback, that on the sideline stuff, I'm not going to let that trick my mind to forget what's going on out there in the real game. Like all of the spinning around, that doesn't really work. I need to see just, I'm not going to let Deshaun, if they're close, I'm going with Shador because I'm thinking lost a step a little bit. I like Deshaun's game, but I'm not letting that underwear Olympics trick me into thinking, oh, we just look so much better. I'm like, because nobody can touch him.

52:56James Harrison:They're not live bullets. You know what I'm saying? I remember Shador, he started for us last year. He's working with Tom Monken. If he's processing and everything's looking smooth, I'm going with him until he shows me. Otherwise, he started looking bad. Then we can go to Watson. Like, I'm trying to see what I have in Shador. Because I already know what I got in Deshaun. I gave him 200. I'm not planning on giving him anything more. I got the young bulls. And if they're not what we need, we're in the same position we were for the last 25 years. We needed a franchise quarterback. So we got to go get one, find one, hopefully.

53:27James Harrison:You know, we're still in the same predicament. But right now, we got Shador that I'm thinking that can make it happen. So that's why I'm leaning. Let's get him these weapons. Let's get him in the line. Got the defense. Let's go. Let's show improvement. Shador, I'm rooting for you. Andrew Barry, in my opinion now, is rooting for you because he's getting receivers. He's getting offense. We got defense. Let's move to points. I mean, like I said, I don't think Andrew Barry was ever not rooting for Shador. Yeah, no, I think Andrew Barry's been rooting for Shador. I think he has too. I think he has too.

54:01James Harrison:I'm thinking, but when Coach was there, you can root for him only so much. You're not the coach implementing the plays and, like, helping him out and giving him the reads and telling him, like, processing it. So I think Munkin now is the guy that he's going to be in the meetings with, helping him out, helping him process, like, going through. What plays do you like? What plays do you not like? Who y 'all quarterback coach? God dang, that's a good question off the top of the dome. Yeah, I mean, we're out there. We're out there looking to see who y 'all quarterback is, you know? Is it just me, or is it getting really hard to figure out the best way to save for retirement?

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