Deebo & Joe - Part 1: James Harrison reacts to Joey Porter Sr's Big Ben comments + Malik Willis to Steelers?

20:06Joe Haden:What you want to say is there's a lot of self-annointing here. It's a lot of self-annointing. You got it now. That's what I'm saying. Because you're here. You're my one. You're my two. I like you here.

20:15James Harrison:that's what it is and that's what was going on but that's what i'm saying where when you're in the league for a long time and when it's vets when it's you that's doing that when it's joey porter that's doing that at first and ben he's a young dude that's still like he might be he winning championships as a young dude growing doing things that he would regret would take back when i met ben now he's been nothing but nice to me because he's matured he's married he has his kids he's in his faith. Like, that wasn't the same Ben back in 2006. You know what I'm saying? So I give him all the rights. So people can, when Joey was there back in 2006, when he was going outside, when Ben was probably doing the same things Joey was doing, getting in fights, his stuff was outside.

20:57James Harrison:Everybody knew what Joey was doing. When Ben was doing things, it was tough. Everybody's protecting him. Nobody's going to say nothing on it. So PZ, at the same time, he can understand, like, we could have been acting like just, like, trying to bash you. There's things that happened in your past, in the times that we've been there. We know we have a long relationship. I played with you and I was a coach and I saw in the meeting room what you ain't have to show up for certain practices, but it's love because you're Ben. You know what I'm saying? So there's just things that happen like that that is in the code of like, we're not going to say nothing, but then I can respect with Ben when I come in there and you got Vets moving around smooth and then you got younger dudes.

21:34James Harrison:It's a little lenient in there where, no, they don't deserve no extra. That's how you can get like cracks. Little people don't know what's going on because you treating younger dudes that don't deserve to be like vets, like vets. And that's what kind of your locker room loses, like, you know what I'm saying, what it's really about. It's about the vets is getting treated like that because they're going to ball. They're not going to miss any assignments. They're going to know exactly what to do. They're going to be in their place. They got kids. They got family. So they got, they moving in a certain way.

22:02James Harrison:When you're doing that to the younger players, that's not, that's not, your team could be looking weak. So I can see where I think that's with the shot. But then Joey Porter is like, Ben, that's your coach. Coach Tomlin's been protecting you, had your back this whole time. You don't be the one to tell him he got to leave and that stuff. He just wouldn't want – like you putting out family business. When same time, whole time, that whole – That's not putting out family business. I understand. Everybody can see that from the streets, bro.

22:30Joe Haden:You want him to go on this podcast and say something. No, no, no, no, no. I'm just telling you.

22:34James Harrison:I feel you. I'm with that. That's why I'm saying what Ben's saying, for me coming from the outside looking in, that's what I would have said. You can see the leniency part. I think that if just the vets, dudes that don't deserve to be treated as vets being treated like vets. I can say that. That little wiggle room was too much. It was too much a little blase. You got to be on it. You know what I'm saying? The dudes like Pouncey deserves to have that because he's going to come. He knows everything you got to do. Off Wednesday practices. These younger dudes know every all the reps know exactly what you got to do.

23:07James Harrison:Extra reps. You know what I'm saying? Like you don't you haven't put in the time to earn that. So seeing it that way, I that's why I think Ben did it. And I think he was right to say that. And I think Joey saying that the family business like just Ben, you shouldn't be the one to say that because every all the stuff that you've been protected from. But still, it's I mean, like you said, it is what it is like from outside looking. And if you could see that you think the leniency is what's going on, Ben, he's going to be on this podcast. I think it might be the time it's a little lean in there.

23:38Joe Haden:Like I said, I understand what you're saying. But like, you know, when it comes down to it, I think, again, it's a personal issue. It wasn't it wasn't about play. And to be honest, like that was something that happened, what, at the Super Bowl? and then, you know, they splice and cut it up and send it out. Like, I mean, that's something that could have been just, I think it could have been squashed before it even got, you know, it even got put out. Like, especially with, you know, with things going on, as they have been going on, like, why even, you know, why even put it out there? But like I said.

24:16James Harrison:The one good thing is too, though, that I like, you, like you say, you talk to Peasy, you talk to Ben, I talk to Ben, I talked to PZ, everybody, you're able to, at the end of the day, too, they, like, I know, PZ don't want it to keep going. They said they're pieces, you know what I'm saying? Everybody getting their stuff out.

24:35Joe Haden:Yeah, but I think that's something that, you know. For me, talking to both, now both parties have a full understanding of what the issue is. I will say that, and that's something that could be communicated between them. I'll leave that where it's at. This is going to be the last time I'm going to address this. You know, we're going to move on to current coaches and current players and keep it moving from there, Joe. Yes, sir. So what we got now is the largest coaching staff that the Steelers have had, maybe in history, they said. Uh-huh. Okay. How do you, Joe, how do you feel about the totality of our coaching staff?

25:17Joe Haden:And do you like it? You think it's a good thing or bad thing that it's more?

25:24James Harrison:You can have a lot of good coaches and you can have a lot of bad coaches. I want to have a lot of good coaches. You can have a lot of people doing the wrong damn thing and it won't matter. So I just want to make sure that we got all of these right people. It's not wrong. I'm glad that we have a lot of coaches now. Honestly, I just need to make sure they're on the same page, teaching the same mission, speaking the same language. There's no miscommunications. I need to make sure the coaching staff is on the same vibe because you can't be in the coaching staff and come out of that meeting with you guys as coaches and then try to divert to the players, the D-line coach, the linebackers coach, and you be speaking in different languages.

26:03James Harrison:And now we're all not on the same page. So I'm just saying if we go from the top down and we're all speaking the same language, we all the linebackers, the D-line, the safeties, and we're teaching good coaching. Like we're coaching these dudes up. Eye in the sky don't lie. You know what I'm saying? We're really watching the tape. The first step, hand placement. We're to the fundamentals because that's really what gets it done. All this athletic, we're going to get the job done for sure, but everybody knowing these checks, when motions are called, when we're in meetings, meetings aren't quiet. There's nobody just not communication.

26:37James Harrison:When somebody moves, check, check, check, you're always talking, you're communicating. It sounds like we know what's going on. So for me, I like, I'm not mad at a lot of coaches, but I need to make sure we have a lot of people doing the right things, speaking the right languages to the right people. So long as they're on the same page, on the same wavelength, and teaching them and coaching them up the right way, I'm not mad at it because you can now assort. You can divvy things out. You got people to like, no, we need to cut up. Good thing or bad thing, Joe? What did you say?

27:08Joe Haden:Good thing or bad thing? I want you to pick one. Good thing. Good thing. I say good thing. I say good thing. Now listen. Now listen, Joe. What did I tell you I was going to do when I became head coach? What did I tell you I was going to do? I said I was going to be less hands-on head coach that you ever saw in the history. Uh-huh. Okay? Okay. Because I was going to personally make sure I got the best people for each position, okay? So that could free me up to do more management. Yes. It was trying to micromanage, okay? I love that. I like that. I love that Mike McCarthy is doing this because it shows no ego.

27:47Joe Haden:OK, I don't have I don't have a desire to be the smartest person in the room or believe that I'm the smartest person in the room. And I understand that if I am the smartest person in the room or believe that I have nowhere to grow, I have no more to learn. And with him doing that, he's giving other people input and opportunity to help as a group, maybe come together with something that A has thought about, that B didn't think about, but C did, and it mingles together, and it gives him a different view, opinion, that could be something that's a combination put together from different views. I love this.

28:32Joe Haden:I believe it's a great approach. Coach, like I told you, I would be sitting there doing nothing but watching over top and putting everybody in position that I know can get my guys to buy into it. Joe Hayden, he's going to be my corners, okay? Yes. Like I said, I'm going to have, speaking of linebacker, Coach Spence. S2. S2. S2 got him a job over there. He got him a, what was it, outside, inside linebacker? Yes, he did. Sean Spence. What?

29:02James Harrison:Yes, he did. Yes, he did.

29:03Joe Haden:I got him a job over there. And what was it? The Chargers? He got one with the Chargers? Yes, he did. The inside linebacker coach? Uh-huh. Come on now. What are we talking about? That is what I like to see. How you do that? You get a guy that done did it. He done played a little bit. He understand it. You know what I'm saying? You can get some buy-in with that. I'm not saying he was this great, extravagant player, but he got some success under his belt. He got success. You know, I like it. I love it, Joe. And when it comes down to it, they actually say, hey, Aaron, you got a deadline now, man.

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33:02Joe Haden:Didn't drag it out like it did last year. They're going to say, hey, you tell us something. If you don't tell us nothing, I guess we're going to just move on. And Joe, what did I send you? What did I send you as soon as I saw the free agent? What did I send you, Joe?

33:14James Harrison:You sending me Malik. Who? You sending me Malik. You sending me Malik. You sending me Malik. Malik. Malik Willis. Hey. Hey, what you think, Joe? So, no disrespect to A-Rod, but I'm telling you, it's a new staff, new everything coming around. My only thing is, what we going to pay him? What we going to pay Malik? I'm not mad at Malik. I'm not mad at we're getting the two for two for 40. Can we get him for a two for 40? Can we get him a two for 40, 20 guarantee just for a try year? And then we got him seeing what he goes. Then we're going to see what he could do. It's a competition. It's not going to be a competition in between him and Will Howard, because if we don't get him, I'm liking Will, and we got to bring in somebody just for competition.

34:02James Harrison:But if we do get Malik, I like two for 40 for show, just to see what's up, 20 million. If we can get him for that, solid. 20 million guaranteed. We got him for the one year, 20. If he does good, we can keep him at the 20 for the next year. We got him under contract, and then he's definitely grossly underpaid because, you know, these quarterbacks. So, you're going to get that. You're going to have to put some type of tail on that. I mean, for sure. I mean, look, I'm just letting you know what I could do. I can give him two for 40 right now, for sure. And I don't think David McGill is taking that, though.

34:34James Harrison:I'm with you. I like it.

34:36Joe Haden:I like it on the Prove It deal. But my thing is this. Yes. If I knew what Will Howard could do, I would feel either – I would feel one way or another about it stronger versus, you know, the other. If you're going to just – You know what? The league dude, he got in game. High pressure competition in the playoffs. And he did well. And he did well. And I don't know what type of system Green Bay running over there compared to what Mike McCarthy did and so on and so forth. But if it's anywhere close, you got a dude that was over there doing it. Like, come on, we got to move on. We got to move on from Aaron.

35:22Joe Haden:Like they said, it's a Band-Aid. It's a Band-Aid. It's a Band-Aid. You can't keep putting the Band-Aid on. We got to sink a swim. And we got to see.

35:32James Harrison:We got to give. And everybody keeps saying, oh, no, I will. Give him a chance. We drafted him. We let Mason. Mason's out there. We know what's up. Give Will Howard a chance. Let's see at least what we got. And then if we do take Malik, he's going to be in a little two-year deal. And if Will Howard doesn't do what he has to do, we'll eventually have money to put other places, and then we know we're going to have to get a quarterback. We may not be that good. Maybe. And then we'll just be a quarterback out. And if we're not good, then we can get drafted high and go get a high draft pick. So, I mean, don't do it with, I mean, A-Rod, no We just, we're on to the new I like Malik for a little short term I don't know if he's going to take the 20 mil But if he does, take the 20 for the one You know, two for 40 If not, put Will in there Let's see what he can do He's a big body I saw him at Ohio State Everybody keeps saying, no, I don't Man, give the man a chance Give him a line Give him a run game Don't make him do everything Give him the Sam Darnold offense.

36:34Joe Haden:Yeah, but I'm just trying to figure out why we didn't see him. I know he was hurt, but like how, like all year? Like we put in, who was it, Rudolph? Yeah. And we ain't, you ain't even giving him a chance? It's like, I don't know. That makes me, that makes me a little nervous, man. And with the fact that you're still entertaining Aaron about what he's going to do makes me think that they may know or have an idea of what it is or he can't do.

37:20James Harrison:It's who you're familiar with. Coach T was familiar with Mason. McCarthy's still going to entertain A-Rod because he coached him for a long time. They won the Super Bowl together. If you already there, I'm coming in and like you thinking about it, like I'm not I'm gonna entertain you. I'm gonna see what's up. I'm gonna give you a deadline now. You know what I'm saying? I'm not gonna let you play with me too long. Yeah, you got to. You know what I'm saying? Got to. You're not just going to disrespect. That'd be disrespectful if he came in there. Mike McCarthy was like, all right, A-Rod, get out of here.

37:48James Harrison:We'd be like, dang, like he wasn't rocking with breath for real. So at least he gave him a little time. We didn't give him no deadline. We was waiting. We was sitting there. Where is A-Rod? at least we got a timeline now. Yeah.

38:03Joe Haden:Listen. Like I said, I like A-Rod. I think we should sign the league. Listen, I'm with signing him. I ain't going to lie to you. Yeah, okay. I just don't know. Sign him then. I'm with signing him. If we got, I don't know, something that triggers something else, if he starts, I don't know. We got to figure something out, like to where we can get him if it works and still, you know, make it something that's going to be attractive to him, you know, as comparison to what he may be able to get out there. You know, he's free, bro. Yeah. Like, he's free, free. That's a hard thing to, you know, turn past, you know, getting more money here or there, you know, especially.

38:51James Harrison:It's his first time at the bucket, too. And, yeah, he looking good. He going to max out. We going to have to spend that coin if we want to.

39:01Joe Haden:Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. Like, how max out is max out, though.

39:05James Harrison:That's what I'm saying.

39:07Joe Haden:You know, how max out is max out. We'll have to figure that one out, though. We'll have to figure that one out, bro.

39:14James Harrison:I don't know if the 30. 30? Because the top quarterbacks are making 50 to$60 million. Are we going to do a 30 ball? because my two for 40 is just just um that's crazy i'm stealing from that young man i should say that out loud yeah don't take the two for 40 if i was i say if bad advice who

39:39Joe Haden:i mean you got it you got like i said you got to go somewhere around around that 3-0 you got to go somewhere around the 3-0 if you really want to have a shot and then figure out how to fendangle it. You know what I'm saying? How to finagle it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? To get it to... Agent's looking for 50.

40:00James Harrison:Got to be, at least. Who is? The agent. I know you got to be looking for... Man, listen. Agent looking for all he can get. That don't... What you think he going to end up signing for then if he makes it in free agency? What you think he going to sign for?

40:15Joe Haden:I don't see him going for less than 30. Less than 30, okay. I don't see him going for more than 40 either, though. Okay, so yeah, okay. So two for 80. Yeah, like he got hurt a little bit. He got a little beat up there, so I don't know how healthy he is right now. I don't know, man. I like having the idea of having a young guy in there that at least we've seen in real competition, in the stiffest competition at that time, which is playoff time. So that's something I like, bro. No, for sure. If I got to spend it, like, let me go ahead with him. I mean, if I don't have to, I just, the real, man, the real thing, the real hard thing, I just, does anybody have any idea?

41:05James Harrison:I'm going to let him go. Give a man a shot. He's a big body. And I saw him. I mean, he was throwing that thing to Jeremiah Smith. I will never forget. That was him. So he could throw the fade ball. Big body. We got a coach in here. You know what I'm saying? Like, mechanics look good. What are we? You got to show me that he can't do it. Give him a shot. Literally. Like, he's not small.

41:30Joe Haden:Yeah. I'm going to give him a shot. But that's what I'm saying. Like, why haven't they even did that? I don't know. Like, why haven't you? Comfortable. Comfortable.

41:39James Harrison:I'm going to talk to somebody about that, bro. Comfortable. I'm going to talk to somebody about something. Everybody comfortable. My dog, Mason Rudolph, was just, you knew what you were going to get. You think you funny. You think you funny, bro? Oh, yes, sir. Because I know exactly. Speaking of coaching staffs. You think you funny, bro? I think I'll put this one in here. Because I found, I found, because first of all, you know, likeness. People like people that look like them. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes it's just familiar, familiarities. Familiarities is what they like to call it. So I know the perfect staff for you.

42:16James Harrison:Not the Steelers, not the Browns, the ball head staff, Team Chrome Dome, the Tennessee Titans. Just take your hat off, Debo, and then put his head right next to Coach, right there, my good brother in the middle, and that's Debo. So, inside linebackers coach for the Tennessee Titans. Team Chrome Dome, team ball head. Bro, this is crazy.

42:48Joe Haden:Bro, this is crazy right here.

42:49James Harrison:Thank you, team. We threw this one in here. You ain't even see it. Yeah.

42:54Joe Haden:That's crazy, bro.

42:55James Harrison:That man got a ball head. But guess what, man? No disrespect to the ball heads. Everybody, you know what I'm saying? I'm eventually going to go. I'm eventually going to go. I'm holding on strong. I just got the low fade today. But I still got hair, and you don't, and neither do the coaches for the Titans, and you are going to fit perfectly as their linebacker's coach, Debo.

43:18Joe Haden:Robert, what's up? Hey, give your boy a call. Y 'all need a strength and conditioning coach, baby. Ball head. Ball head. That's actually crazy.

43:32James Harrison:So many ball heads. they changed the logo to a bald head. They took the flame off the logo, Deebo. Bro, stop. Yeah, I'm going to tell you. You got to see it. You got to see it. Took the flame off the logo.

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