Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Jarvis Landry on Shedeur Sanders vs. Deshaun Watson, Baker Mayfield & Trade to Browns

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23:21James Harrison:Quarterback right there can do, you know what I mean? And also protecting them. So it's a lot more, I think, that Cleveland has to be figured out. But from that standpoint, in that quarterback position, I do feel like Shador is the guy he could use one more year of just learning, building, growing. Whoa. So you're saying let Deshaun start on grip. Let him go and have Shador sit behind you. Yeah. I think Shador, based on what he was drafted, based on you're going to have him for another year, right? Yeah. I just don't think it's a situation where, you know, you let Deshaun just ride on the bench at that number.

24:08I'm not saying you let him ride on the bench. I'm just saying you don't hand it to him and just let him go with it. I'm all with the GM saying, hey, open competition and whoever gets to start gets to start. I'm cool with that. But for me, handing it to Watson, he ain't played a game in the last two years. And the last time that he did play, his numbers are comparable to what Shador is. And Shador has a very big upside that he's a rookie doing those same numbers. I agree. I agree. I agree. So for me to just hand it to him, along with the fact he done worked us over for about 200 something million already that he ain't earned.

24:43You think I'm going to give him the opportunity just to say, here, go with it, not give a chance to Shador to fight for that starting position. And now you go put me on the hook for another 230.

24:53James Harrison:hell yeah but at the same time you're gonna you're gonna let you're gonna let somebody that got you for 230 250 just sit on the bench the whole time no i'm gonna let it play out in camp i'm just not giving i'm not giving it to nobody i'm giving i'm splitting reps between these two guys and i'm gonna see who it is that i want to go with and the sign is gonna have to do something significantly greater for me to give it to him that's that's fair but then as a gm you also have to think right this cap hit I can't deal this guy right I want him to get as much film out there playing as possible Shador is our quarterback for the future he's off your radar after this year he's off your books after this year he's off the books after this year yeah through the restructuring he's done yeah he's done so why am I gonna do all that to go ahead and possibly I mean it's great if you go and you get back to old Watson but you ain't getting back to old Watson, brother.

25:49You ain't been old Watson since 2020. Whatever it is. When it comes down to it, he's going to be there. You've got to keep him there. He's going to be a very expensive backup because you've got no choice. You guaranteed this man all this money. So when it comes down to it, to me, I'm going to go and have him and Shador go head to head. And I'm going to make a true honest decision of, is it worth it compared to what I'm getting from the play for the pay to go and say, here, now this is yours, Watson, because it ain't going to be a situation where you're going to just be like, okay, he's a little better and give it to him.

26:30You're putting yourself on the hook for a whole lot of paper when I could say, you know what? I see what Shador did. He got seven games. Watson's last time he played healthy was seven games in 24. The numbers look about the same. No question, Shador got a whole bunch more interceptions. But again, you're talking about a learning curve and growing curve. Watson did that when he was well into his veteran years. So for me, I got to sit back and be like, as a GM, let me go ahead. This is off my books after.

26:56James Harrison:Juice, I think we were kind of on the same page. I think you were saying, just looking at it from the$200 million perspective, that's a lot of bread. You know what I'm saying? And I think a lot of these teams now, too, when we're looking at, like, Kyler Murray, they cut their losses. You know what I'm saying? When you're looking at, it's another quarterback that did. It was Colin Murray that had a 200, and it was another quarterback that just got. Hey, Miami. A tour. A tour. They just let go of two. 96. 96 million. So it's like, end of the day, I'm looking at it. Shador was a fifth-round pick.

27:25James Harrison:He had a couple of good starts. He won three out of his four games at the end of the season. Deshaun's coming off of ACLs. So we want to see what's going on. Deshaun, you're not going nowhere. You're coming off two. You're on the roster. If the Shador starts looking crazy, you know what I'm saying? then we got we got Deshaun there and then we know Shador's not gonna be our future but same thing Browns need a lot like you said so in the draft they need some receivers Shador you don't really know how good he look if he ain't got the options to be able to throw it to him so I'm more of the joint get him the line get him some receivers see if this year can be better don't be patting the ball you know what I'm saying like don't spin out I need to see growth because I believe in Shador I didn't think he should have been a fifth round pick coming out of Colorado I think people did him dirty.

28:14James Harrison:I think he should have been a first-round pick. So now when I'm looking at him, I'm looking at him from a first-round lens. Like, all right, bet. He got in. They let Dylan go first. And then they had Flacco. Then Dylan Gabriel. Then Shador got his time. And when I seen Shador in there, I seen the ball finally going through the air. We were winning games. He threw for 300. You know what I'm saying? Like a couple of the picks and stuff, we seen some people dropping the ball. So I think seven picks were on him. He had seven touchdowns. So not the best, but... Give him some more weapons. Give him some time.

28:44James Harrison:Kevin Stefanski is the person where I'm looking at, like, he wasn't rocking with Shador. You know what I'm saying? I could see, like, he wanted Dylan Gabriel to succeed. He didn't even, wouldn't even call Shador by name. So, I'm like, now we got Todd Munkin, somebody that actually sees that he likes Shador. You could see, like, oh, no, actually says his name. Speaks highly on him. Says he's in the building. He's in the facility. He didn't get no reps with the first team last year. You know what I'm saying? So, now, boom, get some first team reps. You and Deshaun. Y 'all splitting it. Let's see what you look like.

29:13James Harrison:You started last year. So I love just the factor of now Shador having options, having his players. And Deshaun, 200 million. You cranked. It's all good. I want you to succeed. You had two ACL joints. So I'm hoping you look good. Achilles. Achilles. You had two Achilles. Achilles, man. I hope you look good. I think if I had my GM hat on, right, and I think, Debo, y 'all both make good points. But to your point, Debo, I think if I have my GM hat on, I think it's Shador's, I think it's Deshaun's job to lose. Right. I think I think I think I think what the cap spin and the risks that we put into this investment, into this investment.

29:56James Harrison:Right. Because and I'll ask you a real question. Yeah. If this doesn't work out for Deshaun Watson in Cleveland this year, Shador gets to start. is Deshaun's career essentially who's picking him up? I don't know. That's the I'm the GM. I don't know. That's not going to worry about. I don't realize. You already by this time you already 200 up. So you've made 250 now. So the teams and everybody's looking at you like nobody owe you no payday. Hopefully you're going to come and get a prove it deal. You're going to sign one of these minimum jumps and like be on the team fighting for a spot because you 250 up.

30:33James Harrison:That's how GMs are looking at you now. They're not looking at you like, oh, you're trying to get a deal. You're on your rookie contract. You up. Which is why it's Deshaun's job. What you got to understand is... It's Deshaun, it's his job to lose. To me. It's his job to lose. So you're saying it's his... He going to compete for it. Only way he can get gone. He going to compete for it, but he will be my front runner until... Because of the brand. I understand what you're saying. Until he loses the job. So if he wasn't making that money like that, would he still be your front runner? No, it wouldn't be.

31:08Okay, so hold up. Hold up. Now, he's your front runner. His numbers are a little better. Are you starting him? Yeah. Okay. Now, at the end of that year, he's in the bottom, whatever it may be, comparatively to what Shador did. If you gave Shador that season, they're close fighting together. Now he says, new deal, 50 million. What are you doing now? Shador, my quarterback for the future. Shador's the quarterback. So why are you sitting him down and stunting his growth right now?

31:44James Harrison:I think there's still some development that needs to happen there. You know, Joe referred to it. You can't develop unless you get real game fired. We know this. You can't. You can't. Aaron Rodgers, you can sit the bench for two years. It's only a second season. Debo. Debo. I can sit behind Aaron Rodgers. I'm just saying. Listen, who knows? You need two quarterbacks, he might get hurt. I mean, not saying that at all, but you're going there with two quarterbacks. That's a true statement, though. Two quarterbacks. That's why even if the Shadou was starting, something could happen. You need another quarterback that you could rely on.

32:14James Harrison:That backup is legit. That's a real position in the NFL. As a GM, I'm not putting myself in that position to have to make a hard decision based on him being a small amount better than Shadou. But also, too, and maybe I could say this, and I'll speak for myself. I won't speak for y 'all, but y 'all could tell me how this happened for y 'all. I didn't really make my jump until year three. I didn't really, I didn't really was like, oh, this shit is easy. So they had you sitting behind somebody not getting no snaps playing games. I was sitting behind a couple people earlier in my rookie season. You ain't getting no snaps is what I'm saying.

32:52They're not about to be switching quarterbacks in and out, brother. I know.

32:55James Harrison:No, that cannot happen in the NFL. It's not college. No, I get that. I get that. But this is where Shador has to be a pro in practice, right? He has to be a pro leading up into the game. He has to take all those necessary reps, even after practice, before games, training, you know, getting ready like a starter. I would say this. Jars, you don't believe that, man. Ain't nobody practicing game speed in practice. Quarterback is one of the toughest positions to play. A thousand percent, the toughest. It is one of the toughest positions to play. I feel like sometimes, and I spoke about this on my show before, when you put some quarterbacks in that situation, that situation too early, it doesn't go well for them.

33:38James Harrison:And if it doesn't go well for them, that's generally their career. That's generally what they're going to get judged by for the most part of their career until they get in the right scheme or the right fit or come in as a backup. And, you know what I mean? And, you know, reignite their career. Like, I feel like Shador has the intangibles. I know he's going to be a great quarterback in the league. I think nothing is wrong with him, you know, being a solid number two backup, 1A, 1B, however you want to call it, right? And if this shit is not working after game four, game five with Deshaun Watson, we need to get him out of here.

34:16James Harrison:But I'm paying him too much money. I'm paying him too much money to go three years with him not ever playing in a game. It's insane. That's bad business by up top. That's what I'm telling you. Bad business. You are speaking exactly right. And they've been doing bad business, though. They knew it was a bad deal. He said it. The owner, Haslam, said, this was a terrible, we took a swing and a miss. You know what I'm saying? And now he's trying to say, no, maybe it could be a swing and we get it back. I'm like, no, no, no, no, coach. You already 200 down on the deal. This last 50, it is what it is.

34:51James Harrison:It's like we could – I'm with you with letting him play because that's$50 million on a quarterback. Let me see what he can do. And with Shador there, knowing like this is only his second year, he can learn or whatever, but I'm more of a position where Shador got to lose it than it's Watson's job. So other way? You think it's the other way around? I just think it's the other way around, and I think it's a possibility. The same way you said that Shador could get in, that's the same way I think that Watson would be able to get in. They already lost the two, but you're going to keep them. I want them to both battle.

35:22James Harrison:He started the last games. He did his thing, and he's in the building, bro. He's doing all of the things that I need to see from a quarterback, the coach's perspective, the team rallying around him. So it's just like, don't take him out now. You got a young bull that I think was a first-round quarterback that's studying, going into the OTAs, like really trying to get it done. So if he does not end up looking crazy first five, six games, you got Deshaun. He's still there working, and now he got something to prove. Because if he don't do nothing, then he's going to be somebody else's backup, quarterback.

35:54James Harrison:He out the league. You know what I'm saying? But y 'all know, like I know, how the league works. And if that situation happens, then from, I think, from a negotiating standpoint, right, the Sean Watson come in game five, let's just say save our season. I doubt it. Now we like. This is what I'm saying. We might have to give him that extra, extra Debo because now our hopes and our promising future, you know what I'm saying? It's a tricky situation. You really think he could come in there after not really being productive in the last five years and go to the level that he was in Houston and he hasn't even come close to touching it?

36:35I'm going to say this.

36:36James Harrison:I'm going to say this. Let's think about the division, right? Our guys in Cincinnati have been struggling, right? Trying to stay healthy, trying to stay on the field. So that can go either way. They lose their defensive end. You know who's rick it? Well, they really, their defense wasn't. Yeah, but you know, I played it where we planted for him, period. You know what I'm saying? You think about the Baltimore situation, right? Great team, most likely going to win the division, but they lose their OC to Cleveland. Let's see how that play out with a new head coach, new system. Right? You go down to Pittsburgh.

37:14James Harrison:I know y 'all talking about this quarterback Will something, but I don't know if that's the, you know what I mean? Like the division to me. We don't know. The division to me is open. We ain't seen nothing. And I feel like I'd rather go in it with the veteran than the rookie right now. I'd rather have the rookie at the backup. Okay. I got a question for you real quick. Because the division is open. I hear you receive it too. I hear you. I got a question for you real quick, Jarvis. Whoever the quarterback need help. Go ahead, I'm sorry. Put Aaron Rodgers in Cleveland now. Where you at? As far as who's starting?

37:54No. Put Aaron Rodgers in Cleveland. Where is your division set up now? You said you don't know about Will. You said you want a veteran quarterback.

38:02James Harrison:Aaron Rodgers in Cleveland? Aaron Rodgers or Desaun Watson? With the receivers? I don't know. right now. I just don't know. I don't know if the supporting cast and no shade to none of the receivers in Cleveland. No shade to none of them, right? They got some young talent, right? But, okay, and Jerry Judy, put it to you, in Pittsburgh, you got a choice right now between Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson. Who you going with?

38:31James Harrison:I'm going A-Rod. Yeah, I'm going A-Rod too, bro. I, I, only thing, the only thing I was hesitant is Defoe. Hopefully he come back with some mobility, right? But look, Jarvis, you saw the last, like, I know you're right. You're right now. You're thinking now you're getting faster. You're thinking now I'm getting faster. You know what I'm saying? And then, like... This man, I had two. And no disrespect because I want him to be going crazy. The world is better when Deshaun Watson hoops out, when he's out there balling. For sure. Like, but when you are a quarterback and you run and throw, and that's what he could do both, like, that's what made him special.

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42:39Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose podcast My latest episode is with Noah Kahn the singer-songwriter behind the multi-platinum global hit Stick Season and one of the biggest voices in music today Noah opens up about the pressure that followed his rapid success his struggles with mental health and body image and the fear of starting again after such a defining moment in his career. It's easy to look at somebody and be like, your life must be so sick. Man, you have no f***ing clue. Talking about the mental illness stuff, it used to be this thing that I was ashamed of. I'm just now trying to unwind this idea that I have to be unhealthy physically or in pain in some emotional way in my life to create good music.

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44:39James Harrison:You make a great point. I think regardless of who the quarterback is, they need some receiver support. That's a fact. They've hauled in some O-linemen, things like that, but they need a lot of receiver support. they you know get their running back healthy their tight end play really great for him last year um the young the young kid i think he was like rookie you know first team all rookie team or whatever that is right running back and the tight end both yes so they got those little pieces together obviously we all played afc north we know it's a physical ass division like whoever's running the ball controlling a lot of scrimmage more than likely gonna win those games but we also So, no, those guys on the outside do make big differences.

45:21James Harrison:Yes. And they need some, I think Cleveland needs some help. They need a little bit of help. Maybe that's what they're going to be drafting, you know. I'm hoping receivers in line. Yeah, because it doesn't matter who back there. We could put Tom Brady back there. I don't think he's going to. I don't know. If you put Tom Brady back there, he's going to see it, find it. Not even you can't catch it. Not even you can't catch it. I can't get open. Hey, listen. Can't get open. somebody to write in your pocket. Okay. I go with that. I go with that. I go with that. Can't get over it. Yeah, man. But I actually, so true story.

45:54James Harrison:I actually played with Tom Monk in Cleveland my first year. Okay. And how was that? Man, he was cool. Again, it's interesting to see how he's interacting with Shador right now. And throughout the organization, I was I would be honest with you. I was surprised with the hire. Okay. But at the same time, he He went down to Georgia, did his thing, won a national championship, came up to Baltimore, helped Lamar with the MVP season. Well, obviously he called Lamar, but you know what I mean? Yeah. Let's call it a spade a spade. But at the same time, he was a part of that, calling plays and things like that.

46:30James Harrison:But I will say it's going to be interesting to see how that dynamic plays out when we get in season, when the bullets actually start flying and not just taking photos and, you know, looking cool. And I want to see what the interactions become then. Wow. What person or type of coach did you think Cleveland would hire with you being surprised with the Monk and hire? Man, I thought they would go with a defensive hire. I think most of their head coaching jobs that they filled over the last couple of years have been all offensive-minded. Hugh Jackson was an offensive-minded coach. Kevin Stefanski, offensive-minded coach.

47:10James Harrison:We had Freddie Kitchens was an offensive-minded coach. You know what I mean? So I thought that, you know, being at the AFC North was more of a tougher division. You know, obviously our defense, Jim Schwartz, I thought he was going to get the job. I really, was it Jim Schwartz? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jim Schwartz. I really thought he was going to get the job. You know what I'm saying? Because that defense, every defense he's coached down there have been top 10, top 5 every year. That defense that they played in Cleveland, Cleveland defense ain't dropped no losses. Yes. You know, so I'm thinking like, okay, you got that.

47:44James Harrison:And the defensive coach, y 'all know, defensive coach brings structure to the team. Yes. You know what I mean? And that way an offensive guy can come in and just focus on the offense as opposed to being like, okay, I'm trying to focus on the offense and call plays. Sometimes that's too much, especially for first-time head coaches. For first-time head coaches, you're trying to call a play. You're trying to control the tone of the team. You're trying to lead. You're trying to deal with the defensive knucklehead, the offensive knucklehead, make sure the quarterback is on. it's yeah that's tough for a first time head coach who just want to call plays he literally just want to call plays you're hiring offensive coordinators as head coaches not that it's a bad thing okay everybody can do it you play with um like that you play with baker mayfield in cleveland right come on you know this come on yeah that's okay that's my guy why why why why that stefanski baker mayfield situation why you think that ain't work out what was the real big what was the deal Man, I don't think it was beef, man.

48:40James Harrison:I just think it was more of like, and I said this when Shador went there, with Kevin Stefanski. And again, people think that I'm bashing Kevin Stefanski and all that stuff, and I'm not trying to bash Kevin Stefanski. I'm really just calling it how I internally saw it and tried to have my interpretation. The quarterback development in Cleveland just wasn't there. like it like and i felt that way about shador as well like you know like there's situations where i'm just like damn man like we could be we could have better conversations we could we could be watching more film together you know things you know things like that right like and it was it was it was it was weird yeah let's just say that let's say that i'm saying i can show you i'll see y 'all text after I'm finished when I texted my homie about the Shador going to Cleveland thing literally what I said word by word because you know I think he's a great player I thought Shador I think Shador is a great player but I do think he need coaching right I think he can't just rely on his talent anymore right he needs somebody to help him develop and understand how to game work how to process work go ahead D-Borne sorry that's the big thing that a lot of coaches, head coaches, I'll say a lot of head coaches don't realize, especially guys that just want to run things by themselves their way no matter what, and they just put people in position that's just going to run with whatever it is they say.

50:16You got to have somebody at every position that you hire that can actually develop your talent. I don't care if you're in year four, five, six, seven. I should be able to get a nugget from this coach that's going to help me develop. rather is something in the playbook because I'm young and then learning and understanding that it ain't just about knowing what you're doing now son you need to know what the person beside you and as you learn that you need to go further and further down the line so that you can better help yourself help your teammates because if you got curl flat there's no need for you to sit out there drop and dig your ass 15 17 yards deep because he probably got a deep crosser coming over over there somewhere like you can better or squeeze in you can better help uh narrow down a zone for the other players in there and if your coach is not giving you any type of nuggets like that especially as you get older you don't really need to know more but you know year after year as i got in i'm trying to learn more of what everybody else is doing and my coach is still continually helping me get oh man did you ever think about this or that so hiring people who can actually do the job individually on the basis of, hey, you're a linebacker coach.

51:29Go in linebacker coach. Develop these dudes. You're the DB coach. You're the corner coach. You're the safety guy. Like, Joe, when you were in Pittsburgh, tell me how much that, you know, Lake helped you.

51:41James Harrison:I know, Lake, bro, helped me tremendously. Because, you know, the one thing was, all I need is nuggets. You know what I'm saying? Alignment, assignment, technique. But when we go into these games, give me something. Like when this dude, this is like a 90 percenters, when they run these plays on third and threes, when you see this split, you're going to get this. You know what I'm saying? Study it up. You know what I'm saying? Give me some real stuff that's going to help me in the game. Don't just have me out there playing blind. So like that, that was one big thing. Like, and those are some things that the good coaches do.

52:09James Harrison:Yeah. And, and I think it's one of those things. And we talked about it on our show, Joe, where, you know, I think it's one of those things that coaches sometimes like they either overcomplicate something for no reason. Right. Or they don't know enough about the position because they were hired by their friend. Yeah. And to get in the door. And now we're in this room that we don't really probably shouldn't be in. You can't say nothing in. You can't say nothing in. because, A, I hired you when nobody else would have hired you. They wouldn't even thought of you. I put you in here. So what you look like voicing your opinion against me about something I'm saying.

52:50That shows no appreciation to them. To them. But for me, I'm trying to be maybe middle ground smartest person in the room. I want to be the least hands-on coach ever. I'm going to hire everybody at every position that makes it so that I don't have to do nothing but go to them and they'll give me their expertise at corner, safety, linebacker, whatever that position may be. And I am head coaching. I am managing. You're delegating. I'm delegating everything.

53:21James Harrison:Period. And I think sometimes, you know, especially in Cleveland, we were talking about Cleveland, right? And maybe we'll see, now that we're seeing turnover happening more, a lot of young coaches being hired, a lot of the old faces of the game that we grew up through, right, or leaving it, not leaving the game, but being pushed out by these younger coaches. I feel like every year is another young hire being the youngest coach ever. You know what I mean? And I think a lot of it, you know, has to do with this culture of coaching where, you know, this guy gets hired. He brings in his friend. Next year, his friend get it.

54:03James Harrison:Like, for instance, bro, and I know I might be a little bit out of topic, but, like, how is Blon Flores not up for a job? Blon Flores, yeah. How is, how is, how is, how is, um, man, I forgot my other guy's name. Damn. But how is these guys defensive coach, this man in Minnesota defense balling? Mm-hmm. Yeah. You know what it is, relationships. It's a little relationship. That's the thing, dude. It's a lot of relationship things. And then making sure that what you're looking at is what it is. You know what I'm saying? It's family hires. It's, you know, oh, you were my old coach from here, hire all that.

54:51But it's very few people who are willing to go in there and be like, you know what? I'm going to hire the best person at this position that I feel like I could get because it's going to take away credibility from me. It's a lot of coaches that have ego, especially head coaches. I done fought this long to get this job. And I'm going to be honest with you, as you talk about Flores, that was one of the things when he went to Miami, even though it was a whole situation that happened behind that, it was a lot of players that said he had a big ego once he got there. They were like, dude, the dude that you met or I met in New England, they're like, dude, that's not the cat that we seeing right now.

55:26Yeah.

55:27James Harrison:You know, Flores, he got that. He's still top 10. He's still top five. Yeah. But, you know, it's a little different when, you know, you're communicating to me as if I'm 12. You see what I'm saying? Versus you're communicating to me. Like some people are in the position of, hey, when I'm not the top dog, I'm very cordial. I'm communicative. I am very respectful. Now, you put me top dog and everybody below me got an answer to me. That might change my opinion. That might change the way I'm talking, especially if I'm a person that wanted to be in that position. Shit, you crazy. You ain't going to tell me nothing.

56:10I can't listen or hear nothing you're saying. and I done gave you this job when you would have never had that chance? Come on, bro. You supposed to be yes, man. You a yes, man. I done hired a bunch of yes, man. No accountability.

56:22James Harrison:No accountability, yeah. You got to have somebody to tell you when you're doing wrong. No, heard that. Heard that. Man, I love that. I love that little topic right there. No, for sure. I love that. I love that. That's the type of stuff, man, where like, you know, I sit back and I watch ESPN. I watch transactions. Things happen throughout, you know what I mean? And some of these things are lost conversations and some of these things are just like my dumbass opinion, right, of like how I feel looking at it or knowing a person and then going into another situation, how you leave a one job and you hire it the next day when you ain't really had no success over here.

56:56James Harrison:Like, all of that stuff to me is very confusing. I know a lot of people out there as well, but, you know, again, like I say, I love that topic. I love talking about that, that, that shit. LSU, Lane Kiffin, what do you think of that? Love it. Love it. I'm happy it happened, bro. It's what the city needed. It's what the school needed. And I love to see guys like Virg Osbury, who's the president of the athletic director, the president, all those guys, the whole city coming behind, selecting a coach that they know is coming to win. I mean, I love that. And Lane Kiffin loves Louisiana, man. Like, big Louisiana guy.

57:35James Harrison:This one pissed me off. Honestly, Deebo, I ain't gonna lie. It was between LSU and Florida. So I'm glad we got our coach and then I ain't gonna lie. I was recruiting Kiffin. I wanted Kiffin bad. Just because he's hip. He's hip. He's what we need. He's gonna be able to recruit. He's able to bring in the talent. He's gonna get the money. He's what college football needs, man. So I wanted Kiffin bad. So LSU, man, I know y 'all got a good one right there. Man, we excited. We excited, bro. I can't wait to see how you're using the receivers. I can't wait to see how you can keep bringing more players in.

58:08James Harrison:And players actually want to play for this guy. You know what I'm saying? Yes. Like, you could sense it. You could see it. You could feel it, right? He not just like a presence. You know what I'm saying? Go ahead, Joe. But I got to ask you, bro. Who is... Y 'all got the rapper on y 'all's team right now, too. Oh, Toosie. Toosie. Y 'all got Toosie out there. We got even rappers who want to play at LSU, bro. Like, you feel me? Man, rappers want to play at LSU, man. Is he on the... Bro, that's what I'm saying, though. I think he walked on, though. He has to, because it's a lot of players. It's a lot of players.

58:40James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying. There's no... He's not going to be a wide receiver at LSU. Listen, I don't know. You never know. You know, we receiver you, bro. We develop receivers every day. If y 'all develop Tusi and he goes to the league, bro, LSU, y 'all. Then we can finally get stoned. I'm sending my kids there instantly. I don't care. Like, bro, he wasn't five-star like you. He's not. No, that's crazy. Hey, you never know. Yeah, that's a little different. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, y 'all grabbing fours and fives, and, you know, development over four or five, all you got to do is point them in the right direction.

59:19James Harrison:Whoever LSU wide receiver coach, this man go league, he needs to be a head coach somewhere. No, for sure. For sure. Listen, it's not that it's not possible. No, no, no. It's in the realm. Yeah, we're going to find out. We're definitely going to find out. Man, everything in the realm with possibilities. You know what I'm saying? Like, anything. All right, bro, I got another one. I don't know about that. On the Serving Pancakes podcast, conversations about volleyball go beyond the court. Today we have a little best friend compatibility test. Okay, how long have we been best friends? Since the day we met.

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