Deebo & Joe Part 1: Joey Porter Jr & Steelers stall contract negotiations + Deshaun Watson starts week 1

19:34James Harrison:We're not there yet. They need to pay Joey. Some other guys in the secondary not out there yet, so can't answer that question correctly for you. You brought Joey up. What's it been like, you know, have you been in his corner through this whole process? And just what's it been like, you know, from a veteran standpoint to a young player standpoint as he goes through what he's going through? I'm overly in Joey's corner. Joey needs to get compensated for being a valuable part of this secondary and a valuable part of this defense and team. Come on now. You got Patrick McQueen who also said, hey, I got my money.

20:08So, you know what? On my end, at the end of the day, he was like, I can only be happy if Joey gets his money. Like. On the new podcast, Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. I can wait four hours for the next bus or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle. I chose option B. I'm Julie Pinheiro and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission to reclaim the word solita, trading the pity for possibility. Every time I tried to be alone, I kept meeting people and they were like, you smiled at us.

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24:15I would never expect. Let go of that. I have. I would never set expectations for something like that to happen. It seems like you did. If the universe allows for something like that to happen, I'm open to it. I'm always going to accept. You know, Danny McBride, fine. Yeah. It's all this fragile masculinity exuding. I could smell it walking down the hallway, to be honest with you. I was like, is that weed? Nope. It's fragile masculinity. Ben Stiller, no. Because a lot of times, out of context, people don't get it or even know what a circle is. You know what I mean? They're so stupid. Everyone's so dumb except for you.

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25:26What? For Kristoff. They said, okay, what are you going to be singing today? I said, I don't know. That must have been why you didn't get it. Oh, you probably won. Plus, John Stamos, Hayden Christensen from Star Wars and more. And I guess I can share that. No way. Listen to the latest episode of Hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. He didn't make any offer. The Steelers didn't make any offer. I am totally lost. Like, it's something else if they need, okay, we need some more time to see what he's doing or how he's going. We need to see him on the practice field.

26:02You've seen him play for the last three years. Offer the man something. Yes. Because to me, and if it's me, I'm not moving, stepping foot until I at least have an offer on the table. That tells me then that, hey, maybe you do want me here. That's good faith. Show me something. I think, like, especially, dude, with everybody hollering, like, he wants to be the highest paid in the position. But, dude, that's not what he said. It has never been said out of his mouth. All this is rumors, speculations, ex going crazy. Everybody, like, come on. It was never said from him. Now, don't get me wrong. Hey, and I would say this about anybody.

26:55I think anybody would want to be, you know, maybe the highest paid player at their position. Okay. But that don't happen. That don't always happen. Okay. You know what? And it actually, how do I say this without saying this?

27:15James Harrison:All things got to hit when you're trying to get the highest paid and you kind of got to understand that. And it ain't even the highest paid. I just want to, I want to say something without saying it. It's so alike. Here it is. Here it is. Come on. I'll say this. I'm not saying I know the number or area that nephew would like to be in. I know the Steelers damn so don't know because they ain't talking. But I'm also not saying that I know it either. Okay. And for you uneducated people that say, Joey need to say something. Sorry, don't work that way. I understand the concept of saying a closed mouth don't get fed.

28:04Yeah, but if it ain't nothing on the table to eat, why the hell would I open my mouth? Put some food on the table so we can see at least if he wants to eat. otherwise yeah false flagging and you might as well start looking to see who wants to trade for me because it's no way that i see this i see nephew touching the field there's no way i see that happening it's 31 other businesses out there because now this is a business situation 1 ,000%. It is. And I'm sure they would love to do business with nephew.

28:50James Harrison:Debo, you are not lying. You know it. It's a business. And that's why sometimes when you got somebody, it looks something. Sometimes you could take for granted what you got in your own house. It looks good. And other teams, they looking at Joey Porter Jr. like, okay, I see what you got here. We would happily pay this man to come in here and be our starting corner. This is what we need on our team to put us over the edge. So teams will happily, they think overpay. No, they will pay Joey Porter Jr. and make him the highest paid corner, and we will see what it is. So when you're saying it, Joey Porter Jr., it is a business.

29:28James Harrison:So for the Steelers, when you're saying, show him something on the plate. Let's start talking. Give me a negotiation. Let me see what y 'all, if y 'all don't think I'm worth the highest paid, cool. What do you think it is? Show me something. Give me an offer. If it's four years, what is the average? What are y 'all thinking? Show me how you think I fit into y 'all's plan. Show me something. You don't show me nothing. That's crazy. You don't show me nothing that tells me I'm nothing. It shows me because you obviously was at the end of the day when you see people. And Joey Porter Jr. He hasn't done anything wrong off the field.

30:01James Harrison:He's doing everything completely right. He's trying to get better. Every day is coming in there. Lunch pail. but when you see guys on in in your same class getting broke off getting paid it's like damn what am i am i not here so you got to do you got to do what you got to do you got to take care of using that you got to take care of yours and when you say it starts to turn into a business this is when you really see the business aspect yes it's all haha kiki it's all love when he's on that uh four-year nine million dollar contract and now it's about that time this is the last year to deal Okay.

30:33James Harrison:Now, like, we talked about how much we love each other. Show me something so then we can at least get into negotiations. Listen, man, that love is conditional. We all know that. D-ball. That love is conditional when you're talking about a team. The only love that you really have is between your players. Why? Because everybody want to see everybody get paid. Everybody wants to see everybody. And your teammates, too. You do good, I do. With Jalen, Jalen's not lying. Jalen knows what it is. He's been through contract negotiations. He had to get out of Jacksonville. He had to go to the Rams. He's been traded to the Steelers.

31:05James Harrison:So he knows the business aspect of it to where you better be performing and then you're going to get compensated. He's on his rookie deal. Jalen Ramsey got a$100 million contract after Jacksonville. Then he hit another one when he came over to Pittsburgh. He got extensions in Miami. So he knows it's a business, but you have to be balling. He's looking at nephew. He's playing on a rookie deal. He's been balling. So he should be compensated. And then we see what we can do because he knows what he's been playing, how good he is, and that he deserves to get paid. Because Jalen's sitting there not doing making his 24-year balling.

31:38James Harrison:He knows I still got a ball or they're going to be talking about chopping me. And when I was talking about 2D Bo of how it can happen, the vets, they're going to have to start – they're going to restructure some base salaries, some big base salaries, and turn them into signing bonuses. So that's how they can free up some bread. It'd be TJ Watt. It'd be DK. Listen, listen, listen. This is this is the issue. It's not a offer. How do you not offer anything? You don't even have to talk about freeing up anything until like. Give give me something that shows me that we are trying to make progress. An impasse.

32:13How are we at an impasse and we haven't even went to pass each other? We haven't even got to the table to get to an impasse.

32:20James Harrison:This is what I'm going to try to tell you, Debo. And this is where I'm going to go for where I think that Omar and them are not dumb. They're obviously not dumb. They're smart individuals. I think that when there's some cases where with Joey Porter Jr., in the case where when he had, I know TJ Watts is different, but it was just a situation that I saw that nobody was like, oh, TJ, they're not offering you nothing. Everybody didn't know the deal was going to get done. and then at the eighth hour, they're going to send great things. When things start happening and they send them an offer, the first offer is at$28 million.

32:54James Harrison:Okay, things will go real quick when the first offer isn't a loaf offer because they know, they don't have no time to play. They know what Joey Porter is. They see these other contracts. They know if we come in here with something legit, then he'll be ready to come to the table and ball and it's not going to take long if there's an offer of like$28 million. Boom, and Joey Porter Jr. sees what it is. I think for me, agreeing that right at the 30, 28, 29, 30 will be the number that we could hit and we could be able to sign up for a four-year extension. So if they come with that number quick, like boom, then there's not too much time to sit there and play.

33:28James Harrison:What are we playing with? Like they did TJ. TJ didn't think no numbers was coming. Next thing you know, next day he signed because they come with what started out at 39, you know what I'm saying? Or whatever that number is like, okay, if they come with a legit joint. Now, PZ's like, man, he's putting his practice pants on. Because he's like, okay, all I needed was you to show me something. And now y 'all show me. This is what it is. Do something make me feel good. Do something make me feel good. They send an offer like that, he's putting his practice pants on immediately. So I don't think it would be, I think that the Steelers are smart enough to know they got these deals done, boom, with Herbic, with the other guys, and he knows.

34:04James Harrison:If you signing them to 18, 25, 10 and a half for Mount Washington, you know what the market is you're not dumb you see the stats you know what you know what you got so you're gonna off i think that they will offer him something smooth or like you said the other way they like man it's not it's not gonna be so they gonna need to get as much compensation because if they put them out there for a trade market they will be like like i said rumor is they don't want to trade him but if they were to trade him rumor they need two first rounds you didn't even select him in the first round but you want to now and you still ain't offered or paying rumors obviously i don't know what's going on bro but something needs to get done something needs to be done needs to get done fast because I'm I'm I'm I'm I would say I'm I'm almost 99.9 % sure because you said go ahead go ahead nephew ain't touching that field without a new contract it's no need to risk everything to step out there to show you what you've seen it the last three years yeah so then I ask you this though, Debo.

35:06James Harrison:Nephew is on a four-year contract, and if he doesn't step out there, I'm just being devil's advocate the way you do with me all the time. If he doesn't go out there and play this year, he'll get his money next year. That means he'll just be sitting on the side, and then he'll just be unrestricted. After this season, he's unlocked. You can franchise him if you want to, but hell, if you do that, you better off paying him now. Or you trade him. okay the only way that they benefit is paying him that's the biggest benefit or trading him and getting something from him that's before this season because they that's before the season because if he's not if he's sitting there chilling like no i'm not going i'm not playing i was on this deal willing to sit it out to be to be free why wouldn't i be willing to sit it out instead of going out there and practicing and then fuck around and tear ACL, whatever it may be.

36:08And now you damn sure not go get me because we've seen what you did to the tackle. We know how the game go. We know what the business is. And it's right that you do that as the owners and doing what they're supposed to do to make sure that your team has getting the most out of the value of their money. I don't have a problem with that. But this right here, this right here, the man don't get in trouble. The man done balled out. He ain't gave up a touchdown. Like, what are we talking about? and we ain't got an offer?

36:38James Harrison:Mm-hmm. I don't know. Yeah. I hope that it's my, I hope it's the second thing I was saying where they just kind of, it is what it is so they're knowing the number's going to be around what it's going to be so there's no point of offering late. They wanted to get all the other deals out the way that was going to be a little, that was going to be less because this one's going to be the highest number with Herbert being $25 million a year. Okay, okay. I can go with that. Let me go ahead and make sure everybody is out the way because this is going to happen. Like, T.J. Watt was going to get paid. We drafted him.

37:09James Harrison:He played. He did his thing. He's a locker room dude. And, like, we need him on the team. He's a stealer. Like, and that's the way I look at Lil Peasy. Like, he's not trying to do no – no, he wants to be there. But, like, they like – Hey, listen, I think that's something else that a lot of these teams, they hope and rely on is that the player wants to be there so bad that they're willing to negate the business common sense part of it. Listen, there's 31 other places that would do business with you when you're playing at the level of these guys that are at these top of their positions. He's young, too.

37:49James Harrison:He's young. This is his first contract. It's his first deal. So he knows you got to go get it. And then at the same time, he's young. So he knows he has to continue to play at a high level. this contract he's getting is from what he did and what they are hoping that he can continue how what level he can continue to play so right now he gotta he gotta go get it he gotta go get it gotta go get it and if he can't get it now then they can like i said you either pay or you end up trading him and he get paid that's the only that's the only two options i see happening here man. Sorry to say it, but that's just what it is.

38:27And the Browns, they obviously named you Ward Deshaun Washington starting quarterback. Four week one versus Jacksonville. And Todd Monken had this to say about his decision. Listen, Joseph. Deshaun is going to start against Jacksonville, took in the full body of work over the course of offseason to training camp, to the games, the joint practice, and ultimately felt like to start the season on the road, Deshaun gave us the best chance to move the ball and score points. I mean, that's really what it's about. And felt that way going in the last game, but wasn't sure. And after we talked as a staff and after we re-looked at everything, we're going to go that direction.

39:18Joe, they're going to go that direction. Yeah. Monk has said he gives them the best chance to move the ball and score points. What do you think? You agree discreet?

39:31James Harrison:What he said was, I mean, look, I was saying the whole time, Debo, that during the quarterback competition, when we talk about, he's talking about bringing in all of the reps he's counting in, bringing in how they're moving in, how they're bringing out the huddle, all that stuff. If you just want to talk about on the field, I would say the first preseason game, I didn't see all the training camp stuff. And when I'm looking at the training camp numbers, I don't know if those are legit or not. But if we're just going to say from preseason games, Deshaun didn't play bad on the first game. He played a little bit better.

40:06James Harrison:The second game, Shador obviously paid better. So it wasn't like Shador outstandingly played way better than Deshaun Watson during the preseason to where you feel like he stole the job. Neither one of them looked like Peyton Manning out there. So Shador, for me, though, I think like just throwing the ball down the field, Deshaun still was kind of when he was out there doing well the first game. It was a little bit of dink and dunking. He was managing the offense. We got down and scored. It looked like a managing offense. It didn't look terrible at all. So he surprised me, like I said. When we say with him naming him, I think it's more a little bit of obviously.

40:45James Harrison:When he says that we have a veteran, he's going to be going into he's going to be playing away games first. I think some of that has the stuff to do with it. I think that when he's talking about he talked to his coaching staff, I think he might have talked to the owner where he's like, I mean, you know, I think, man, look, Deshaun's kind of our guy. I think it might have been a little bit of that too. So I think it's the Browns are going with Deshaun to start it off because Deshaun didn't really steal the job. And he's owed the money. So I think that's not owed the money, but he didn't. Deshaun never stole it.

41:17James Harrison:So Deshaun, he's been doing everything he had to do. He's been working his tail off. And that's why when I look at what he was saying about how he's been trying to get back and all of that stuff, all his emotions. As a person, Deshaun, I feel you are a human being. But you just got to have that mental aspect to understand you're a professional quarterback in the NFL to where that's why people are feeling that certain type of way. So they're going to feel how they're going to feel. The cheers and boos, that should not waive how you feel, how you change. You got to be able to keep your composure.

41:48James Harrison:So he said it, too, when he did his interview about he was in it. Basically, I feel a certain type of way. You feel a certain type of way. He feel a certain type of way. Yeah. All I want to know is if you agree with his judgment of starting your guy Watson, Joe. Do I agree? I can see why they did it. I, yes. I mean, yeah, I can see why they did it. I mean, yeah. Yes, I can see why they did it. Okay, Joe. I'm going to keep it. Listen, listen, I'm going to keep it 100 with you. I'm going to streamline this for you, Joe. Hey, as much as I hate to say it, Joe. What's up? I have to I have to agree with you Joe I had to agree with him that's probably why I'm a little upset about it and I really do mean this I'm not just talking okay you know when I look at both sides and you're trying to figure out you know why it is you know he's saying what he says and when you take you know like you said the last six or seven you know uh games or so and you put them together I feel like you got six in one hand half a dozen in the other and you throw the numbers together and you're looking at, you know, Shador's numbers compared to Watson's numbers, which is almost two years ago, you know, last time he actually played.

43:03But, you know, the big thing is Shador, he has, I think it was more passing yards and like yards per attempt. And he's had a 300 yard, you know, passing game plus seven touchdowns. Right. But on the new podcast, Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. I can wait four hours, the next bus or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle. I chose option B. I'm Julie Pinheiro and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission to reclaim the word solita, trading the pity for possibility. Every time I tried to be alone, I kept meeting people and they were like, you smiled at us.

43:51Not a lot of people smile around here. It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is and not the lies you're sold about it. It can be a time where you push your limits, change your mind, or wake up to a new version of yourself. So whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip, I hope you listen to Solita on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Hoda Kotb, host of the podcast Joy 101 with Hoda Kotb. If you know me, you know I'm always searching for inspiration and useful tools to maximize joy. So this podcast lets us uncover those things together through meaningful conversations with fascinating people.

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46:17Listen to Our Town on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Hayes Davenport. And Sean Clements. We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook on the Big Money Players Network. Our show is extremely accessible to first-time listeners. Each week, we talk to someone in show business, a.k.a. the biz, and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us. Everyone has a good time, and no one gets mad at their publicist for letting them do our show. We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman. Not that great. Actually, can you help me shape this?

46:53How about we flip it on his head? How about we flip the script? What if the surprise woman, who actually you think is the straight man, is actually the one who's acting weird? Adam Scott. This entire time, you've been expecting Adam Sandler to come to visit the show. I would never let go of that. I would never set expectations for something like that to happen. If the universe allows for something like that to happen, I'm open to it. I'm always going to accept. You know, Danny McBride, fine. Yeah, it's all this fragile masculinity exuding. I could smell it walking down the hallway, to be honest with you.

47:34I was like, is that weed? Nope. It's fragile masculinity. Ben Stiller, no. Because a lot of times, out of context, people don't get it or even know what a circle is. You know what I mean? Like, oh, what's a state? Everyone's so dumb except for you. And fake. Right, fake and also not interested or just like, oh, I've got my life. I don't care about your life. And a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us. Oh, and by the way, Will Ferrell told us personally he loves the show and he wants to be a guest on every episode, but he's just so busy. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

48:13Did you hear the new episode of the Hey Jonas podcast? We are at D23, so we'll see who stops by. The cast of Frozen stopped by. Kristen Bell, Josh Gad, and Idina Menzel. I auditioned for Frozen. What? For Kristoff. They said, okay, what are you going to be singing today? I said, I don't know. That must have been why you didn't get it. That's probably why. Plus, John Stamos, Hayden Christensen from Star Wars, and more. And I guess I can share that. No way. Listen to the latest episode of Hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. That was only to Watson's five.

48:47And he also had nine interceptions, though. Shador had nine interceptions. Watson only had three interceptions in that course of time. And, you know, with the way y 'all defense plays, protecting the ball or at least how you played last year is number one. You know, you're talking three interceptions on 216 pass attempts by Watson versus nine interceptions on 196 attempts by Shador. So I can see why they would go with Watson. And if things don't work out and he, you know, he plays and bombs, you still have Shador to go to. And now you can see what that looks like and allowing him as a young quarterback to develop on the field.

49:34Because what you get now, you know, that's just that's not conducive to you guys winning. And, you know, with the one cat talking about how they, you know, they're going to start him on the road and and blah, blah, blah. And if it don't work out, then, you know, they get home. They'll go and, you know, start, they'll go and start Shador. So, I mean. Debo, you, yes, yes.

50:04James Harrison:Starting Deshaun Watson isn't in, for me, I want the Browns to do well. I want Deshaun Watson to do well. So that's why I have to preference everything I say, because end of the day, with Shador, I don't ever want to make it seem like I'm trying to put down Deshaun. I don't want him to play well because I want Shador to start. I wouldn't want to Shador because I think with this team, I think we have a chance to see if he's a franchise quarterback for the low. Like Deshaun, I hope that you're able to ball out for us and play well because I think you still want to see. This is your time to see if you're going to have a chance left in this league.

50:40James Harrison:So when we have the options, our line has to perform well. we have running backs so don't Deshaun you don't have to go out there and be the old Deshaun I don't think that's going to come back out I think a managing quarterback that's just gets the ball where it needs to get has a great running game you know I'm saying with with these weapons so if that's with Deshaun I think I hope that he can be successful with it he's going to have soon as we get out there you're going to have Jacksonville you're going to have these opportunities so we're going to be watching it we're going to see what you're doing is it the other guys is the line blocking, if no matter what, if the line's not blocking, if Shador's back there, he's going to be getting hit upside the head.

51:14James Harrison:If Deshaun's back there, anybody's going to be hitting upside the head. So other people are going to have to be playing well for the quarterback not to look crazy. So I don't want him to just go out there and look bad because I want the running game to look good. I want to see what Casey Concepcion is doing. So my hope is the quarterback, you don't got to do too damn much. We don't need you to be Josh Allen. I'm not asking Shador to be Josh Allen. We need to protect the ball, get positive plays. Yes. The big thing is you have to protect the ball. Don't be out there picking it up. Yes, and protect the ball.

51:46James Harrison:But Debo, that's my one thing too. I'm more with protect the ball, but don't just be dinking, dunking, and don't be scared. When I see Deshaun out there, it hasn't been bad, but it's still dinking, dunking. It does not pass over 10 yards. I respect the fact that you're protecting the rock, but give me some chance. like the Dylan Gabriel. It's good completions, it's whatever, but you got to give yourself a shot. Keep your eyes downfield. Let me know that you're looking down there for a play to happen first. And if it's not there, then you check down. When I see Shador out there, the one thing is sometimes he's, his pocket presence on the second game, it looks good.

52:23James Harrison:He's looking downfield. He's completing passes. You know what I'm saying? Overroute, boom, on the money. Fade balls. He's trying to score points. So that's why I'm like, Deshaun, I don't want you to just throw the ball all over the place, but don't not have your eyes downfield and be looking to create offensive plays. That's why I look at Shador where, end of the day, he's standing up tall. And as long as he gets his pocket presence right and stops doing that reverse spinning, and he started looking better with that. Like the first game, the fumble snap, everybody keep batting his balls. I can't see that.

52:56James Harrison:I don't want to see that. If he would have played two preseason games like he did the second preseason game, I'd have been like, okay. And then if the tip pass, the back one, when it flipped up in the air and he picked it, if you would have led two touchdown drives right there, I'd have been like, okay, Shador, you're looking like the starting quarterback. I think you might have, you won the job. But the first game, the tip passes, the fumbling of the snap, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, ah, you just didn't steal it from me. If you would have played the second game the way he did the first one, I'm like, okay, Beck, you look like a quarterback.

53:27James Harrison:You're throwing the ball down the field, eyes down the field. Your pocket presence is looking better. You're not just spinning around. You're not doing okay. I see improvement from what I saw last year because I just want our team to be good. I don't give a damn who's the quarterback. If Shador isn't doing what good quarterbacks do, I'm like, oh, man, we need to go draft somebody. I don't think he could be the franchise, but we haven't gave him a chance with the line, with the time, with good people out there with him. You know what I'm saying? So I want either one of them go out there, be competent, move the ball down the field.

53:58James Harrison:Don't just throw it crazy, but be looking down there. Try to throw a damn 20-yard over and hit it. That's what I want to see from our offense. Okay, you try to throw a 20-yard over. I mean, you might get it picked off. No, no, but Shador, he did that versus the Bills. When it was third and 12, he's standing up tall. Wait for it to come and hit him right on the money. I'm like this. Yes, I like that. That's a quarterback. You're standing up there tall looking nice. Okay. I understand what you're saying. I mean, Todd Monk, and he said to Shador, I guess his reaction, Todd Monk discussed Shador's reaction to being named Deshaun's backup.

54:37I guess he took it well. Let's see.

54:43He was awesome. I mean, you talk about somebody that really understands the long game, that really, I think, has come to understand the long game, right? what are we really in this for? What am I in it for? To have the Browns be an organization that people aspire to be, right? The long game, right? Where do we want to be in the long term, right? Whatever that, and he understands that as well as a quarterback, right? Where he was at, where he's at now, where he wants to get to. That is what's so awesome about Shadour understanding that. Really, he doesn't. We met this morning for a good long time, and all he had was a smile on his face, because he understands what really is in front of him, not really a short-term, maybe long-term decision.

55:33I mean, this is, like a player, like, he's going to work his butt off to get better, and he has already. Joe, what the flippity-flip did he say, bro? He didn't say nothing. He talking about he smiling? He probably smiling to keep from grabbing your neck, man.

55:51James Harrison:Joe, what is your man saying, man? What is your man talking about? Hey, look, there you go, Debo, being all, no. He was, he just, look, it's, he could do what he, he could only control. There I go. Joe, Joe, you in there smiling when he telling you you ain't starting? No, no, no, no. I ain't starting, coach. I thank you so much. No, no, no, no. I'm staying alone, game. I'm, I'm not smiling. I just understand the situation. I can only control what I can control. and right now for Shador too, he knows last year he didn't even have the opportunity. He was the third string quarterback. He went in there, Flacco, Dylan Gabriel, and then him.

56:29James Harrison:And he ended up starting seven games for the season. So he's looking at it right now. I'm the backup. I know my time is not if, but when I'm going to get into the game. It's the smile again. He keeps talking about, when he keeps talking about the long game, he keeps talking about the long game. He knows Shador, no, it's a long season. I was third string and I started getting my reps and I was starting and so I better be ready for when my name is called. Believe in it or not, like, okay, bet. So it's not going to be at the beginning. So I'm right now locked in. I know it is what it is. The competition is over.

56:59James Harrison:He's been named the starter. I know he's going to get his reps, but I'm in the holster. He's saying he got one year left on his contract. You're still young. You're right behind him. He's not going to be here next season. Just to say when he's saying long game, Kels keep saying long game, you're like thinking of like Shador's nose. He's going to be in the future. So not Two games Four games Deshaun's going to play Whatever But health The NFL is NFL He was third string last year And next thing you know He started seven games He's second string right now He sees what's going on With Deshaun too He hears the boost He knows what's going on He knows that He's going to be hearing his name Cheer for in the stadium But as soon as Deshaun Do something bad Shador Shador Shador It's going to be They're waiting For Shador to get in the game So for him End of the day It's no rush I understand right now Boom it is what it is.

57:48James Harrison:Coach, you called it how you did it. I'm going to be ready for when my name is called because I'm next man up. So he's got his mind right where he's like this. Oh, he's just, he's ready. He's locked in. He gets it. He knows the NFL is long time. If it's not my time right now, it's going to be my time when I can show everybody what I got. And he's not in a rush. He understands what it is. I think he's just taking that process. So he's not smiling about it for show, Debo. But he's like, I know what's up. I know what's up. Just wait. Did you hear the new episode of the Hey Jonas podcast? We are at D23, so we'll see who stops by.

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