Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Joey Porter Jr. Negotations Stall + Stefon Diggs to Steelers?

23:11James Harrison:You could. Okay, no. Yes, yes. Put that in there. Put it in there. Put it in there to make it look good in the new money. Put it in there to make it look good in the new money. So you say, like you say, you say 25 or 26, whatever it is. $5 million,$444. It's a not likely to be earned bonus. It won't even count against the cap until it would be likely to be earned this year. Then it would count against next year when he made it again. So that would take him right there from a 20, a 25 or whatever it is, 24, whatever you were saying, to a 30, 29. I got you. Boom. That year and the year after. So, yeah, the average would be whatever that would be.

23:50But the bonus of making a Pro Bowl or a Pro, whatever that may be, will put him where he wants to be. The same thing that they just did with Pac-10 by reworking his deal.

23:59James Harrison:I got you. The fluffs with the accolades will make it to make you be paid as if you were a top corner. Because if you do, then you can get that extra bonus. That makes the only thing that's stopping him from being a top corner is he doesn't have to. I understand. I understand. And I'm just saying this, too. Are you not are you not you're not signing that deal with the Steelers? If it's going to just if it's going to average out to 26, let's say 26 million dollars a year. You're not signing the deal. How much is guaranteed? Is it fully guaranteed? Is the whole contract guaranteed? I'm not taking it unless the full contract is guaranteed.

24:34No.

24:34James Harrison:Yeah. OK. I'm here. I'm here. You're telling me right now. I'm here. You take 26 at a three year deal that's guaranteed versus saying you go pay me and let me reset the market next year at 32, 33 with three guaranteed. And it's going to be 100 right there for three years. I'm not going to kill myself. I'm not going to cut my throat like that. I'm an agent. I'm his agent. Listen, you got to make it look good. You got to make it good. You can do it. You got ways to do it right now because he hasn't made a Pro Bowl. Those not likely to be earned bonuses don't even count against the cap now. Give him what he want, but put it on there so that he has to show, hey, we are paying you this.

25:15We're going to give you 24 or 25. Yes, open up. For sure. You make all Pro or Pro Bowl. Now you get this extra five. We'll put you at the 30. You do it next year, it's the same thing.

25:27James Harrison:No, I feel you. That's, yep, yep. I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. I'm just saying I would want Joey Porter Jr. At the end of the day, definitely get as much guaranteed as you possibly can. And like you said, a bird in the hand is more than a boggling the feather. So betting on yourself, I feel like is it going to be, what is betting on yourself? Are you not going to get the$80 million guaranteed with the Steelers and being there for the next three years? And then after you ball, we're expecting him to make all these all pros and do all of this stuff.

26:00James Harrison:So three years at that, after you made$80 million with the first three, then you're up again. That last year, you know what I'm saying? You got one year left in your contract. We're expecting you to ball out. You're expecting yourself to ball out. So after that first three years that you made that$80 guaranteed, now you're back to the table. Because if you're expecting the ball, it's time to go re-up. But that same 80 next year, Joe, can be 100. I understand that, Debo, but he played three years already. Now, that is a better note. Like you said, back pay. Back pay. Where my back pay at? What I'm with you with, what you threw on to me that I would agree with is, if he does do the base thing of the contract would be the four-year, $100 million contract.

26:43James Harrison:then to make it to extra 20 would be a five year each year incentive somehow five year five million dollars worth of incentives each year with on all pros and pro bowls you know how do you want to ever break that up that can make him averaging 30 million dollars a year if he does he's getting this 25 then that extra five if you make the just all pro then you get extra two and a half so now you're at 27 and a half that year you know saying the other two and a half gone next season it's 25 you know what I'm saying? Then if you make that extra, that all pro, you get that incentive, you know what I'm saying?

27:14James Harrison:To make it 27 or to make it 30. So I'm with you a thousand percent with that because that's like, that's in the air, that's fluff. The thing that I was always trying to get to him with is what you gonna get for show? Regardless of what happens, you know what I'm saying? That 25 that you're signing for, thousand percent, you gonna get that 80 million guaranteed. Incentives for sure, you can put that in a deal, making it look good for you to make the average out to 30. And then the Steelers like, all right, if you go get that, you would deserve it because you made those incentives. So you speaking, you're saying the same.

27:44James Harrison:I was just like, I was just trying to talk that guarantee for sure money. And then you make a great point, though. If you do ball out, let's put that fluff in there that I'm getting paid like those dudes. A thousand percent. A thousand percent. Right. Yeah, yeah. That's why, you know, like I said, I feel like the deal will get done. They'll find out a way to work it out and get things going. I think right now, you know, it is what it is. They start low. You know how it goes. They start low. And when you're talking about these big numbers, you know what I'm saying? You drop a little, you know what I'm saying, four years.

28:15James Harrison:Four years, a million dollars. That's a lot. Dude's like, man, I'm like, yeah, it can get chopped down quickly, though. Right. Right. For sure. For sure. So the Steelers, well, not the Steelers, Richard Sherman, I guess he believes a landing spot for Diggs might be with Steelers. Steelers named as a logical landing spot for all pro right receiver Stefan Diggs. Richard Sherman said, I think a team with a young receiving core or a inexperienced receiving core could take a shot on him. Maybe the Cleveland Browns. Could the Pittsburgh Steelers use him? I think they could. Joe, I think the Browns could definitely use him.

29:00I think y 'all could use him because y 'all do have an inexperienced receiving court. And when you look at it, your number one is Jerry Judy. And then from there, you got two rookies that are slotted to the starters, right? Yeah. I don't know if Judy is the person that you want or the only veteran there that you want leading your guys, especially after some of his, you know, actions from last year and some of the things that, you know, he said. And what I'm hearing him not being a really vocal player, he's a person that's going to be leading by example. And, you know, we you know what we saw from him last year.

29:36If that's the example that he's going to give. I don't I don't I don't know if that's if that's the guy you want. So I see Diggs being a possibility for the Browns. What do you think?

29:46James Harrison:I think Diggs is a possibility for any team that needs a wide receiver. I mean, in depth, because he can catch the ball. I know he can go inside. He was mostly, you did outside, you know what I'm saying, when his younger days in the league. But I think more now, he can get open in a slot, sure hands. And that's what you need. And he knows how to run routes. He knows how to get open, quarterback friendly. So if you got a quarterback that's trying to get the ball to a receiver that he knows is going to be able to catch the ball, I like Stephon Diggs. I don't think if you're trying to get a number one receiver, he's going to be your number one to be able to lead your team.

30:19James Harrison:But when we had Adam Thielen, when we're talking about these dudes in the slot that just know how to get open, know how to catch the ball and are dependable. I like Stephon Diggs. So I'm thinking him being able to, he's been in the league for a long time. He knows what it is. He's a good dude. I think he's a good leader. Dudes on the team. He's a friend of mine. Like him, you know what I'm saying? Likeable dude, but he works. He loves balls. So I'm thinking any team that needs a slot receiver that can just, you know what I'm saying? Third downs, short yardages, he's going to catch the ball. I seen just bang bangs.

30:48James Harrison:You remember in the playoffs last year, the one-handed, Like, contested catches. Those are tough catches that he's making routinely. He doesn't drop the ball. So, I'm like, if you need somebody like that, third and short, not looking for a burner, nothing crazy. Like, I don't think it's going to go crazy over the top, but we need people to move the chains. And if anybody needs that, anybody needs a receiver that can catch in a slot, I like Stephon. Yeah, I just don't see him being the receiver for us. It's nothing against him personally. It's more of what we have going on. you know especially what you're saying like an inexperienced receiving core we we don't really have that much of an inexperienced receiving core right now we got DK he has he has time and we have Pittman Jr he has time but another issue is or the biggest issue I would I would think is salary cap yeah right now he's not coming for cheap you know he's gonna he's gonna have to be paid an issue and he's gonna have to be paid some money and right now our issue uh is trying to get money to pay nephew okay we're trying we're trying to we're trying to figure out some paper how we can get how we can get nephew paid on top of that like we have younger guys that we are trying to build you know with for the future and then you know develop into you know what it is that that we need and you know he's not a spring chicken so what is he 31 32 something like that It's not like he's going to be there long.

32:16I think once we do that, if we were to pick him up, it takes away reps from these guys that, you know, we want to get experience to. That, you know, we picked up. We had a young guy with Roman Wilson. He's still young. What is he, 23, 24, something like that. And then we just picked up Jeremy Bernard. That's like right there, Steve Smith right there, who was extremely high on the dude. He said offhand, he was like, Jeremy Bernard can do it all. He was like, he can do it all on the football field. He actually compared him to Adebo Samuels, but with better route running and receiver traits. So he was like, Stiller fans, y 'all, you know, you got a great one.

32:59You got a good one there, he said, with Mr. Bernard. So with that, I just, it's nothing against Diggs. You know, it's just that I don't feel like that's the right fit for the Steelers right now, especially with the direction that we're heading and what it is that we're trying to do and build with who we have there.

33:18James Harrison:And look, I'm not mad at who we have there. I want to see what Roman Wilson can do. I like Bernard. He's a young receiver that we just drafted. And I know what Steve Smith said. I believe in what Steve Smith says. So I believe he has great potential, too. I'm saying with the money thing, if Stephon Diggs comes to the Steelers, a thousand percent not trying to ever take anything from what we got going on. You got to be coming here trying to fit in and not being able to like, if it's going to be a money thing, then that's not the place for us right now. You know what I'm saying? It's more like I'm trying to get here, trying to figure out how to help this team win.

33:53James Harrison:I know y 'all are nice. I can help out. You know what I'm saying? Bernard, it's never a problem having too many receivers. But you're right, when the money part comes in, I'm a thousand percent with you. But Roman Wilson, I don't know. Bernard's a rookie. You know what I'm saying? Pittman and DK, they're the outsides. They got it. They grown men. They know what's going on. But I'm saying with the slot-wise, Roman, we want to see how he's young, so we're going to see what he can do. Stephon Diggs, I just know what I got from him. And then Gerald Bernard, obviously, I think he's going to be great too, but you can never – that's five max receivers right there.

34:27James Harrison:So that's not – I don't think that's an overwhelming amount of receivers. i think but if you if you bring in if you bring in digs you're going to take away reps from those young guys because it's no way that you're saying that the young guys are better than digs right now bro from the show last night to this drive why is it never chill because this is our life backstage on the road it's loud messy real and that's the best part whole crew no plan just moving. Good thing Nissan builds for that kind of chaos. Not just test tracks, real life scenes, late nights, road trips, all of it. That's why it holds up.

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38:37James Harrison:That's all I'm saying. No, for sure. I see. We wanted to see what the slot's looking like. I'm going to look at Roman Wilson and Gerald Bernard because I think Gerald, he's going to get it. Jeremy Bernard, I think he's going to be solid. Yeah, yeah. He should be all right. I guess during an interview with the Baltimore Sun, Todd Munkin revealed that Lamar Jackson reached out to him with a congratulatory text following the news of his new role with the Browns. to which he fired back jokingly at his AFC rival. We're going to blitz you every third down. He laughed. Yes. I'm going to give him the answer.

39:18You go ahead. So if you go back to the history of when Munkin got there, I think he got there in like 2023. 23. So that, that 20, 22, 21 timeframe, you know, he wasn't in Baltimore. So when Munkin got to Baltimore, Lamar was having some issues with the blitz. He was, it was, he was, he was being blitzed heavy in past situations. You know what I'm saying? When he got there in 23 through what it was at 25 that he was there, Munkin basically helped Lamar improve in everything that he did. He helped him, you know, recognize blitzes, get the ball out to the right receiver, understand coverage is better.

40:00And, you know, and if you go back to what was the game? January 24 when they played Houston. And it was like 10-10 at halftime. And they were blitzing the dog stink out of him. And then they came out at halftime and they kept doing the same thing. But Munkin had adjusted. And Lamar finished the game, what is it, like 16-22, 152-yard pass and two touchdowns passing, two touchdowns rushing. And they put up, what, 24 in the second half unanswered. And I think that was just, you know, part of the joke of him saying, hey, we go blitz you every now. He ain't really go blitzing every now. He just letting him know, like, yo.

40:42I remember when I showed you when they was whooping your ass,

40:45James Harrison:I showed you the way to get out of it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? You missed the Miyagi though. Yeah. Yeah. So what do you, what you think, man? You think the Browns go had an edge over the Ravens this season, man? Do you think Monken go help him and be able to slow your boy down? I think so. I mean, if you got an inside track, what you need to do is watch tape on the Steelers defense. That's what you need to do, Mr. Monken. Because we figured out a way to normally neutralize. Not saying you can't stop Lamar Jackson. You just have to limit his options to what he can do. And if he's going to be able to throw it and run it on you, you're lost.

41:35James Harrison:So you got to make sure that you got to make him keep him contained. Make him throw the ball against you. And don't make him be able to just take off on you. Because if he takes off on you, there's going to be trouble. Because he's like a wide receiver with the ball. Not saying that his arm can't do it. because he's able to do it with an arm. But I'd much rather me try to beat him, throwing the ball against me, than him darting across the defense, slipping through, everybody back turned, and we don't see what's going on. So I think just keeping eyes on Lamar Jackson, making him have to use his arm, bunching it in, stopping the run, and making them wide receivers have to beat you on individual routes.

42:10James Harrison:Like Zay Flowers, that's their one. You know what I'm saying? So like, just when you got your corners that's able to lock up, if you can contain Lamar in that pocket, Close it at the same time. Don't leave holes in your rush lanes where he can slither through and get missing. It sounds easier than not, but try to contain him. Make him throw the ball on you. And then you put him another extra man in the box. So if Derrick Henry's trying to run it, if Lamar's trying to run it, they're all bottled up. And you got to stand up outside. So if you're able to learn to just stand up outside, the corners, safety, you got to play big.

42:42James Harrison:Dudes in here, big men, do not allow him to just get through the rush lanes. D-ends, don't rush past the quarterback. Sit down. Stop. Like, don't just get blown by because that's the way your defense just gets beat down. So as long as you got just a staple defense, everybody's in their rush lanes. Everybody's doing their jobs. The corners are out there playing man to man. You know what I'm saying? Or a little bit off zone, being able to like, look, we're doing one on ones. These dudes got to beat us out here because the run game is going to be what it is. And now we out here like what you going to do?

43:12James Harrison:It's not Jamar Chase out there. It's not Tee Higgins. Zay Flowers and those other. They're good receivers. But they're not, you don't just go studying the tape worried about them beating you in the game. You're worried about Lamar running around, taking you for deep. And you're worried about Derrick Henry toting it on you. So if you can throw another one in there, make sure you keep eyes on Lamar, contain that run, and make them have to beat you outside. That's kind of what the game is. So it's not too, it's not like reinventing the wheel. It's just making sure like, well, I coached him before.

43:43James Harrison:I know what the certain teams did against us that hurt us when they blitzed us and just displayed gap integrity defense. That was tough because now we got to throw more timing. We got to beat these corners that are impressed man, you know, on the comeback outside on time. If it's a little bit behind them, that joint might be picked. It's going to be incomplete. Like, just you got to make them beat us. Don't just be holding. No, make them pass the ball down the field on this. Like, something's eventually going to happen. One of these balls going to get tipped and then we're going to get a pick.

44:10James Harrison:So just don't panic. Don't allow them to just now, oh, no, we're going to go two out. Keep it down there. Stay man to man. How much longer? Just don't get beat with a bomb. Like, no, we're just going to – how many first downs can they get? How many drives can they sustain without, you know what I'm saying, just breaking the deep? Derrick Henry breaking it for 60 yards. Lamar, somebody just coming down. He's doing the read option. People diving. He just scooting out on you. No, play disciplined ball, making sure at the end of the day, make them have to beat us. Make it be a pass scale. They got to go seven on seven.

44:40James Harrison:If they do have to go 7-on-7, I like the defense being able to be on that, you know what I'm saying, a couple of plays. Yeah, I'm of the mindset of I'm going to make Lamar beat me doing what he is supposed to do as a quarterback, and that's pass the ball. Because you are not used to a quarterback being able to run and move like he does. So make sure that you don't allow him to do that and make him sit in that pocket. Everything I'm doing, I'm going to make you beat me with what I feel like you cannot, or you have less of a chance. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's not saying you can't do it, but a lesser chance.

45:16James Harrison:Your legs are just, it's guaranteed. I know. Yeah, I know y 'all can beat me right in the rap. I know. I know. I know. I've seen what that looks like in playoff balls. It's a respect, man. When you're saying it, too, it's like, I know what your legs can do. There's no disrespect. So I'm going to make sure that I rather your arm. I rather your arm. Yes. Yes. Dude, that's no question about it. Like, what they got, who the only receiver they got right now is... I think it's A. Who's after that? Didn't they get, they lost... They lost Lightly. So I think they still got Andrews. Andrews, okay. They still got Big Andrews.

45:57James Harrison:Okay, yeah. So they got Andrews. Andrews, Flowers, King Henry, and Lamar. so I'm just like Andrews, tight end, big body you know what I'm saying? Put a safety on it we got that come on Jalen, I like Jalen out there, Zay Flowers I like Sean and I like Big Young Peasy now show me something D-line now now Highsmith TJ TJ? It's easy work. It's easy work. Like, when you look at it, bro. Okay, Bateman. Bateman's another receiver, too. And Bateman is the same. Like I'm saying, I'm not poo-pooing Bateman. But it's not like you're just like, okay, yeah, Bateman's about to go take the game over. I'm not.

46:48I ain't going to lie to you, man. I think we decent. You decent. Still is. I think we decent, man. I think we real decent. I ain't going to lie to you, man. Even on offense. Like, right now, man, we got a nice receiving goal. I mean, maybe Cincinnati might have a better one. But other than that, man, we second. What y 'all got over there? Y 'all fighting at the bottom. Man, wait, look.

47:06James Harrison:The only reason why you're saying that is because we're not proving it. We're not proving it. Them boys works. Wait till after this season. We're going to see what they go do, and then we're going to get the respect we deserve. Judy, going to have a way better year. You got to get them the ball, though. Oh, we going to get them the ball. That's if you got anybody there to throw on the ball. That's if they don't trade away. I know, I know. We going to see what she's going on. You know what I'm saying? Chador will get his shot. When DeSean gets his first shot, I'm going to be rooting for him to be hitting him on the money.

47:32James Harrison:If he's not, Chador is going to get out there and have to hit him on the money. Whoever's out there leading the Browns, we're going to see. The receivers, they're open. Hit them. Hit them. I got to see it, D-Bo. You know what I'm saying? Who said they're going to be open? You think they're going to be open? We got sitting over there in that black and gold? Stop playing. Look, it's going to be... We got to see. We got to see. Look, it's going to be... I'm going to know. Look, they getting ready in practice right now going against the warden. Denzel Ward. That's what they're going to get when they get Joey Porter Jr.

48:00James Harrison:over there. So we're going to see. They're getting open in practice during the preseason. We'll see what's going on. See if they're looking real shaky. You know what I'm saying? They're looking like either head top guys, if they're looking like mailbox guys. You know what I'm saying? I might just see. Take a slant to the crib type guys. 2013 O.L. Beckham type guys. I don't know. Yeah, okay. Okay, listen, man. I'm just telling you right now, man. Be prepared to be sitting on the bottom. Matter of fact, y 'all in a fight for the bottom with Baltimore and hell, shit, Cincinnati too. They got receivers, but we got something to sit that down to.

48:43James Harrison:All I'm telling you with a D-Bow note, our division, bro, you just got— Our division is fire. The division going to be fire. Health, if everybody— Obviously, we. Stillers, we going to be fire. it's going to be y 'all just going to be y 'all going to be sitting there watching the fame watching the flames go that's it we going to be fired y 'all going to be sitting there watching the flames you are out of your mind all we've been doing is reloading that's the crazy part too the same way everybody's sleeping on the Steelers acting like they don't see what's been going on it's the same way everybody acting like they don't know what's going on with the Browns they all worried about now they trying to talk about the quarterback controversy because now we got actually a quarterback Shador and Deshaun doing what he's just trying his best, just trying to be a model citizen to do what he can do and maintain that 230 and go out there and put his best foot forward.

49:36James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? Whatever you say, Joe. I understand. I understand. You got a lot of... I'm telling you. You got a lot. I guess your hope is back. My hope is back. It just... When I hear random things just coming from like, trading at your door, I'm like this. It just... How am I just... It just... real mad, but I'm like, okay. People just be saying stuff so I can just get literally get frustrated for no reason. That's not happening. Hey, y 'all making stories just to frustrate Joe. And you, D-Bo, when they start saying crazy stuff, I was like, that's how I thought about when they kept on talking about Aaron Rodgers.

50:17James Harrison:Oh, man, is he not going to come? Is he going to come back? I wasn't worried about that, Joe. I wasn't worried about that. I knew it was coming, Joe. You know what I'm saying? That's what I was. that's what was frustrating me. They just had to get the money right. Sometimes I'm like, we're going to keep on talking about it. And then they're going to come on here and we see something crazy about Shador. And it's pissing me off because he got training camp to worry about. We talking about training. We got games to win in the land with Shador. I'm about to hold my wrist up. I ain't even got my rollie on right now.

50:47James Harrison:They talking about crazy. All you analysts in Cleveland stop writing these boo-boo stories upset. Please. Please. Just for my name's sake. Yes, please. For Joe's health and safety. Mental health. Yes. It's mental health man. Mental man health month. What is it? What you call it? Mental health man's month. What did you call it, Joe? Month. What I called it? I called it something. June. It's June. It's June. Mental health month. I hope it is. Don't mess that up. Mental health awareness month. It's always a mental health. If you're a lineman in charge of keeping the lights on, Grainger understands that you go to great lengths and sometimes heights to ensure the power is always flowing, which is why you can count on Grainger for professional-grade products and next-day delivery so you have everything you need to get the job done.

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