Deebo & Joe - Part 1: REACTION to Myles Garrett trade to Rams!

25:42James Harrison:The Rams, it's a win for the Browns in the future, knowing that we still, like you said, we're miles away. We're so many pieces away. We're getting these young dudes, the young draft picks. Hopefully, if we have to hit on these guys to be good and to continue. you but right now we're talking yes that's your only that's your only choice is the only hope it's just that's your only choice though you had a you had a chance of keeping miles there and being another four or five games and no closer you have a chance now to get more pieces to help and you have that but the same thing is you're telling me jared verse can't come in there and at least hold up we're not going to be so we were going for the number one defense i can say For sure, we didn't lose at all.

26:30The number one defense didn't help you win a playoff game or even get into one or have a winning season.

26:35James Harrison:We need our offense to start producing. That's the thing. That's the thing. We have to start scoring some points. So – You got to get the players. How do you do that? Through the draft. He's doing it right now with draft capital. He's doing a good job. That's what I'm saying. But, like, yeah, yeah. It's just going to be – The Rams, you know how they doing it? They trading away their draft picks. They doing it through the draft, but they trading them away to get the players they need. Because they hitting on their second round picks, their third round picks. Kyle Williams. I understand. Apuka Nakua, you get a fifth round pick, Apuka.

27:12They trading off picks to keep the other guys. Dude, when you hit on Apuka in the fifth, that helps. Put the graphic up of their picks since 2016. The Browns right now. Their first round picks. the uh the uh the rams first round picks and that's the rams first round picks dude since 2016 remember 2017 they ended up getting um uh mcveigh and mcveigh when mcveigh got in he went from i think it was like a what was it a 12 no a 4 and 12 record to 11 and 5 a playoff berth the next year was 13 to 3 where they lost the super bowl to the pack uh to the patriots the year after that they missed the playoffs it was still nine to seven though it was a 10 and six after that with a division loss the year after that is super bowl now that's when they had the down year they went like four and yep five twelve or something like that that was they that was his uh that was his first losing season they had a whole bunch of injuries that went along with that but the next year they bounced right back to 10 to 7 with another pair of burp another 10 to 7 and then it was a loss just last year at 12 and 5 in the championship game now you put miles into that, they go and they, I truly believe they win that game.

28:28So you're talking about a dude who ain't had a first round pick in, what, 10 years damn near? He ain't had a first round pick in 10 years. He 10 and 5 in the playoffs. He done made the playoffs seven of his nine years. And that is with not one first rounder. Because they're doing it by trading off and getting who they need right now to stay competitive. They don't want to rebuild. They're like, we're going to rebuild, but we're going to rebuild a different way. We're going to rebuild to stay competitive right now. We're right here. That's why they just signed that man for two years, and now you got Miles.

29:04Right now, they're trying to run a back-to-back. Yes. Bro, that's what – Your team ain't there with Miles there. Why not let him go so you can get there in maybe three to five years?

29:19Dude, he's doing it. He has to do that. Y 'all upset now. I hope – I don't want to –

29:27James Harrison:The thing is, we – But if he goes and does what it is that he's trying to do, you will be sitting here thinking about, yo, that trade on Miles three, four, five years ago, whatever that is, that was damn well worth it. We got this. We got that. We got this. We got that. And now we're actually in the playoffs. we're actually competing and having an opportunity to truly say we can compete for a championship. As a Cleveland Browns team? That's going to be... That man can keep his job forever. 365 times three. That's down there a thousand days from now. So we're going to be sitting on this show building and soothing.

30:06You've been sucking for 50 ,000 days, Joe!

30:08James Harrison:I'm just saying, no. I mean, pick the build. We got to get the quarterback. That's what we're saying, too. So if we lose and we get terrible this year and we're going to have two 2017 first round picks, if we're bad and we're supposed to be as terrible as we are, we have we on one of our picks, which might be higher than usual or high just now. It's just we go. If we suck, if we end up being asked, we'll be the first first pick, second pick. And then it's going to be the Rams pick, which is going to be messed around, be the Super Bowl pick, because I think they're going to mess around in the Super Bowl.

30:40James Harrison:We just gave them the best team because they got miles. They got my man McDuffie. Why are you worried about giving them the best team? You keeping him ain't going to make y 'all no better. That's all I'm telling you. Well, so. Building for the future, Joe. All right. All right. I don't know why I'm sitting up here defending the Cleveland Browns. You're not defending the Cleveland Browns. You're saying building for the future. I'm hearing you. But, so just that, I mean. So right now. I told you. What did I say about us? So this is what I'm saying though. Look, I'm still saying this. I'm excited for this season.

31:12James Harrison:But I have to just lower my expectations. because I was expecting our defense to still be as 100 % fire as it was supposed to be. Probably number one in the league with Myles Garrett coming back. Right now, top five. Now I'm just expecting for the offense, the same young pools that we have, Deshaun, Shador, somebody, they're better than they were last year. So I'm looking at it like, okay, special teams is going to have to be better. So we won five games. I'm saying three more games than that. We lost a couple of field goals by nothing. So eight games isn't crazy. So when I'm looking at our team and we're saying, are we just going to be complete trash where we can only win one game?

31:53James Harrison:So I'm not seeing like we're not going to be that bad where I'm not seeing us just being the worst team in the league. Since we lost Miles, our defense isn't going to be better. That's a fact. But we still have Denzel. We still got Delpit. We still got everybody that we had before. And on offense, the same offense that we had, nobody left. All of the draft picks that we got, the whole offensive line that we got, they're still there. So I'm expecting for our team to defense now. Can I ask you a question? I'm just like, how often all of a sudden we're not just trash? Can I ask you a question? Yes.

32:28With all that you just said, you keep miles. Do you really believe y 'all compete for a championship? This year?

32:39James Harrison:This year? if see that that's where my I mean no no no no I think we can get a playoff let me talk to you let me talk to you again Joe you don't compete for a championship this year Miles is a year older you're hoping he plays well you hope he do well next year comes say it don't pan out the way y 'all thought it was go pan out next year looking for a quarterback because if even if Watson gets in there and plays well he's gone you're not gonna pay him another bag so now you sitting with Shador and you're okay you know or if he starts whatever it may be but obviously you're saying you're not winning the championship and I don't see you coming out on top in nowhere but the bottom of the AFC North right now now next year does that with you guys doing what you did if things pan out to a caliber that is considered good, not excellent in kids, somebody just blows out their mind and goes, you know, goofy, but what you would consider good, would that next year then, with Miles there, make you a championship caliber competitive team?

33:54James Harrison:I think this is the main thing. The Browns, I think they won. I think Myles Garrett, he won. I think that the only loser, honestly, is not really a loser, is Vars. It's Jared. Because end of the day, you end up going from you think you're about to win the championship till you're going to the Browns, and they're more on a rebuilding time, you know what I'm saying, instead of trying to go to the championship. Joe, you just agree with everything I said by saying that Vars was the loser in the situation because of where he came from to where he's at. That means that Miles leaving and going away is not something that is going to make y 'all a championship team no time in the next two, three, four years.

34:39You got lucky by being able that he hit when he hit at 30. You think Miles going to come out there at 33 and throw up anywhere like the numbers that he did this year? Hell to the gnaw, gnaw.

34:51James Harrison:It'd still be double digits. It'd still be around 14. I understand that, but those 23 didn't even get you no more than five wins. when you could go and add three other players, a first, a second, a third, plus you got one. Organizational-wide picks wanting to continue. You got versus a young talent. You got another first-round pick. If we don't get the quarterback, we're going to eventually need to get that because Miles with 23 sacks didn't get us to the level that a franchise quarterback is going to get us to. So I'm agreeing with you. I'm just saying from there, it is what it is. It's just the fan side of it.

35:27James Harrison:It's like I see now that the Browns, but we're always still rebuilding. It always feels like you're still rebuilding. So that's just where I'm looking at that, where I'm looking like, damn, I understand. Let's just keep – let's hit on these picks. Let's start – we've got to get with the quarterback. Our offense eventually has to get better. So let's see if it is not going to be Shador, and then in 2017 we'll have to be able to go use that draft pick for somebody. You can use that draft capital. You can use that draft capital. in for somebody that's already proven. Possibility of that. It's supposed to be a far better quarterback draft coming out in the next year.

36:13I understand, Joe. I understand. Listen. This year's draft draft is supposed to be so... I hate trying to... I won't say hate. I dislike trying to show you the light at the end of the tunnel. because it shows that y 'all are actually trying to do something right and you're not browning all the way around.

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41:02James Harrison:We didn't have a number one. Our offense was straight. Y 'all had it. Y 'all lost it. That was all y 'all started getting ran on. I'm just saying run it back. I could see the part where we couldn't get Miles. Run it back for what, Joe? You've seen it for the last nine years what it looks like. We got. You're wasting him. You got an opportunity to hit. You got four players, bro. Two first, a second, and a third. You got a right player. Right now a player that you know can play in this game that can come in and feel. He can't. He ain't going to get you 23. But he damn sure ain't no slouch. He's not a slouch, D-Bo.

41:37James Harrison:Nobody, just, our defense, did we get better or did we get worse? Did you get better as a team? Okay, what are you talking about? No, no, no, no, no, I'm asking you, did we get better or did we get worse for this season coming up? Oh, of course, you lost your best players. We got worse, so that's what I'm saying. I understand for in the future, but right now when we're talking about the 2026 season. But you don't necessarily know that. You don't necessarily know that. This may be a different collaboration that may actually help the defense be better. You got to look at 2000. Think about 2006. Joey Porter left.

42:17They're like, oh, it's over with. I'm starting. It's 2007. We go in. We go in that year, and we get number one defense. We end up number one. The year before, I think we was like an eight or nine. Okay. Everybody like, who is this right here? They ain't know what y 'all was. I hear what you're saying. It ain't happening. Like, what are we talking about? We're talking about, okay, yeah. Right now, on paper, this is what it looks like. Let it get out there and see.

42:47James Harrison:Miles Garrett is different. Miles Garrett is different. You can put him on any team, he's going to be better. The team's going to be better. He didn't make a difference in y 'all wins. I don't give a doubt, but I'm saying, if you take him off our team, it's going to make our team worse. Dude, Joe, you got to let the fan in you go and put in your GM hat, bro. You got to put on your GM hat. I am, and that's what I'm saying. The season is still happening. Our defense is going – we're going to see what they're going to do. Offense, we're going to need to watch them and see if they can finally produce.

43:21James Harrison:But I'm understanding with the picks in the future, but I'm saying no. As of in the 2026 season, just now our defense got better. Offense didn't change. We still got the draft picks. We still got the people that we signed during free agency to restructure our line. So now we're going to see what those rookies going to do. We're going to see what Fanning, Harold Fanning is going to do in his second year. Junkins comes back. You know what I'm saying? So we're going to see what they look like if our offense can average 20-some points. But now we're going to look at the D now because Miles being gone, I don't give a damn where you put Miles on.

43:54James Harrison:Whose team? If he's on your team, like, your defense is going to just be better. I understand that, but their defense was a step away from winning the Super Bowl. That's why he makes a grave difference over there than what he does in Cleveland. Yes, yes. For Myles Garrett, he's going to be playing on a team that's scoring points. He's going to be having the offensive MVP on his team, Debo. That's going to be crazy. He doesn't understand it when your team is just literally scoring points all the time. When I went over there to Pittsburgh, I saw Ben in there. He's going to find out. He's going to understand that.

44:33James Harrison:He's going to love him. His numbers are going to be crazy. Yeah. They got the primetime games. Don't you want that for him? I do. You're so much of a fan. You're trying to kill and crush his career because you want him to sit there in the Browns and die, let his career go to nothing, not even have a chance at winning the Super Bowl. I don't. I don't want that for him. You left. I don't want that for him. I got cut. They tried to take me. Made me have a pay cut. I was not on Myles Garrett level. It would have been on Joe Tong. You chose to leave. You chose to leave. You could have taken a pay cut for the team, Joe.

45:04Just like he should stay there and you should have stayed there for the fans, Joe.

45:08James Harrison:Do you think Joe Thomas? Joe Thomas was there believing the same way that the Browns was going to build the organization. He never said nothing. He brought his work pail. He brought his boots and everything to work every day. And look how it panned out for him. First ballot Hall of Fame, but he was never able. First ballot Hall of Fame. That's great, bro. He was never able to get. He is one of the best tackles to play the position. First ballot, that is great. You ain't got a Super Bowl. That hurts. Brown care would nobody say. But that's what I'm saying. The difference was he didn't even get to walk or get into the game itself.

45:43James Harrison:The difference was Miles finally told him, end of the day, he knew that if he wanted to be there, the best of his best wasn't going to give it to him. So when he told him, I demand to get traded, they ended up paying him the bag. He stayed for this next last year, this ninth season. gave him 23 sacks, then just didn't report back. He's like, I'm going to keep balling no matter what. If I'm on the field, I'm going to play. But I told you guys that I really don't think that it's going to work out here. I'm trying to go win a ship. I'm going to continue to be here and ball out because I'm a professional.

46:14James Harrison:Y 'all gave me the money, so I'm here. But I want to go play elsewhere. I'm trying to go really win a championship. I can continue to get all these Pro Bowls, all these defensive player of the years. I'm going first ballot Hall of Fame. I don't want to go from Cleveland to Canton. I want to go get a Super Bowl. And then, you know what I'm saying? So just legacy-wise, for Miles, I'm with you 1 ,000%. I'm just saying that's why I was on the fan side of why the Browns would want to move on. Why we would look at it like, dang, if we really think we can do something. Miles is like, guys, your organization is on a different timetable than me.

46:48James Harrison:It's been nine years. I get y 'all straight Pro Bowl, Pro Bowl, defensive player of the years, and there's no playoff wins. There's no chance of me sniffing the Super Bowl. So if I were to go to the Rams, these dudes ready. When they brought Matthew Stafford, they have weapons. Miles is going to put them over the top. They don't need – they don't get there regardless. Now when you got Miles, he's just bringing himself onto a roster that's like, okay, now we got another whole hitter. Are you kidding me? Yes, thank you for coming over, Joe. So, no, no, no. Debo, that's when I'm talking from the player, when I'm talking from Miles Garrett's perspective, I say he won.

47:25James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? For sure. He's, man, I'm happy for him. I'm happy for him to be able to go out there and get to play during meaningful times because Miles Garrett, there's no reason why he shouldn't be. It's not his fault that the Browns haven't won the Super Bowl. He deserves to be on the Super Bowl team, for sure. Yes. Yes. He got a hall of fame. He got a Hall of Fame career already. First ballot. He deserves to have that chance and opportunity to go and win him a championship. And ain't nothing wrong with that. I will have those memories. He will always be the best. Him and Jim, Jim Brown, Joe T.

48:07Hey, Joe, I ain't going to lie to you. What's up? If he go over there to the Rams, he stay over there for, say, four, maybe five years. whatever they left on his contract. He got three years left on his deal. He got three? He stayed there for three years. He get him two of them things. What is he going into the Hall of Fame as? Do I want to go in a Browns jersey with no Super Bowl or do I want to go in a Rams jersey with Super Bowls?

48:39James Harrison:I don't know. He's probably going in with you. I don't know. I don't know.

48:49James Harrison:What do you think? If it was you, and it split, and you came, you came, you came, you came, listen, you got to Pittsburgh, and you got to three years, but you got to - Canton is all about Super Bowls. Canton is all about Super Bowls. So what you got to put on, Joe?

49:07James Harrison:I got to go in where I won the rings. No question. Got to go in where, because all they talk about during the speeches is the rings and the ceremonies. That's what it was about. That was wild. You're going to talk about the time that you spent at Cleveland bumping up all them numbers and never getting to the playoffs and winning and the times you won, you know, four or five games, three games, whatever. They were just talking about my dog. Like, that's crazy. I always go back to Joe Thomas, but just because his level of consistency and it was never Joe Thomas' fault. Like, he was first all pro.

49:46James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? Pro Bowls every time. Didn't miss a snap for 10 years straight. So it's like he's wanting to go with the organization, trying to do his best thing, and they're going to keep you if you're top flight. If you're all pros every single year, good to go. Same thing with Miles. All pros every year, they're going to pay you what you deserve because you're that caliber of player. But your team around you during your career may be on the same, on a different type timing than you are. They're growing. They need more pieces. There's teams out there that just need one. Sometimes the Eagles need a piece.

50:19James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? The Chiefs always reloading. When you got that quarterback, when you have that head coach, when you got that core, man, then you just, you know what I'm saying? You're like, man, last year we just needed a little, like our secondary's a little messed up. Let's go get Trent McDuffie. All right, bet. And then they went crazy and not only went and got Trent, but your team so then you wouldn't go get miles so rams are in different situations now hopefully the browns will be in the ram situation five right that's what he's working a thousand percent but being a browns fan today and being a browns fan for years it's like you hear that you've been working on something for them to be good in a long time for them to be good in the future but you got to understand like the people that y 'all had working towards that didn't really have the idea, but they didn't have the actual map routed out of how to actually get there.

51:12Oh yeah, I'm going to go to California, but I don't know what highway I'm going to take to get there. You probably are not going to make it there. The Rams, they use draft capital. You know what I'm saying? They're using draft to keep their stuff together. Y 'all doing it. Y 'all just did it by using actual player to acquire more draft capital and a player bro like and he got what he wanted y 'all got what y 'all wanted and in the time frame like you said the three years he got left that y 'all not winning the championship in three years like you lucky if y 'all make it to the playoffs in two so when it really come down to it like this is the only move the most appropriate move for y 'all as a organization now the fans they don't understand it because they're fandom that's the thing they just can't like the personal connection now to the fan i'm a fan

52:17James Harrison:exactly i'm a fan i want us to be good right now and then we drafted we getting the play I'm liking what we was doing there and then this one just kind of threw me for a loop because I was thinking we were still going to be able to you know what I'm saying look good but I think we still can look good this year you can still look good defense going to still look good we can still look good you're not about to go from where y 'all was at to the middle of the pack it's our offense it's our offense I'm focusing on our offense looking good this season defense come on maintain we got to do we got to do Jerry Verse, I'm rooting for you.

52:51James Harrison:He's trying to get a contract. He's got two years left on his rookie deal. So he's trying to get right. And we need to just go do his best. You got, come on, you got, he's on Prove It. So that's the thing for Verse 2. He want to go get his bag. I know he's hungry. I might be a little upset, but let's go. I heard he's good dude, motivated. Let's just be a football dude. Do your best. The only thing you can do is not get hogtied, not, you know what I'm saying, lead by example. You know what I'm saying? Don't be out there. I don't see it. Right. And I don't see that happening. I see him out there balling.

53:24James Harrison:So we're going to see. Yeah, I mean, Miles actually separated himself in a fashion that was probably like it was good. He didn't come up there. He didn't go to OTAs. He didn't sit down, talk with nobody, make like, yo, you know, I'm sitting here doing my, you know. He knew he wasn't going to be there. So why go and give all the, you know, the fake enthusiasm and come down there like you about to be, you know, part of this team? defense, one of the leaders of this group, and you know already that that's not happening. All I know is shout out, because when he's on the field, he balled out. That's all I know.

54:03James Harrison:When it was time, he's like, man, I got to go do what I got to go do. I got to go do something. I mean, for us, him being there or not there, it's not a big deal to us. Miles ain't getting no sacks on us. We didn't have to worry about that last year. How many did he get on the still? still a duo. Okay. All right. I'm just checking. I'm just checking. I know the division was geeked. Got him a pop. Got him out of the division. I'm just saying, bro. I'm just saying, you know what I'm saying? Like, hey. Y 'all, hey. Hey, Barry. Good job. Good job, man. For now. You just got it. 2029 season. You sure are you picking them?

54:42James Harrison:Look, that new stadium opened in 2029 season. And so they plotting for it to look for the team, hopefully, to be nice by then. We got to have – For sure, for sure. For sure, for sure. Man, he looking at the future. Y 'all been so bad for so long, Cleveland. Browns fans, dog pound, puppy pound, whatever y 'all want to call y 'all stuff. Y 'all been bad for so long. What is another two or three years to come out on the other side? That's all I'm saying. We got to come out on the other side. We need to be – just watching this season, I had to lower – just make sure my – I just want them to do good.

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