Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Rodgers waiting for pay day? Lamar reports to Ravens workouts, Burrow's Flag Dreams

21:56James Harrison:I kind of agree because just speaking on Deshaun Watson, the last time he balled out was 2020. He sat out in 2021, and then there's been a lot of injuries. There's been the shoulder. He's played 19 games, 2022 to 2024 for the Browns. And two Achilles injuries, and I'm looking at the athletic ability. His thing was he could run. He could move. and I was looking at him while he was playing for the Browns, you get a little age, you start to get a little older. He wasn't just as explosive. So now coming off two fresh ACLs, people have took the Arizona Cardinals. He got Achilles, dude. I mean, Achilles, the two Achilles joints.

22:37James Harrison:It's like those aren't no joke. So when we talk about those injuries to an athlete, that's not just, that's what he uses. He uses his legs along with his arm. So with me, teams like the Cardinals that already bit the bullet where you know you spent that money and you're going to take this dead money for Kyler Murray. To a tongue of a lure in Miami. You know what it is. You already took your bullet. You bit the bullet. When you're in a Brown situation, Shador Sanders, I'm feeling like, give him a chance. If it doesn't look like what it is, you still have Deshaun Watson on your team that's working and you're paying them$45 million so you have a backup quarterback.

23:15James Harrison:It's not a problem for me to look at it like you got two. But for them, I'm thinking that Shador, he ended the season as a starter. He's grinding. He's in the building all the time. Coach Todd speaks about it. You know what I'm saying? We haven't seen Dylan Gabriel. I don't know if Deshaun's in there yet, but I know one thing. I know Shador's in there. I know he wants to be the QB1. He's preparing like he wants to be the QB1. So for me, draft a tackle, get as many ballers around Shador that we can. Draft a tackle, get a wide receiver. and then we'll see where it goes from there. If Shador's not looking good, if he's out there throwing unnecessary picks, taking unnecessary sacks, making our team lose games for no reason, then we can move on.

23:59James Harrison:We see that he's probably not the guy, but I'm not thinking that's going to happen. I'm thinking it's going to be solid. Shador's going to look good. He's going to do way better than he did last year. Just growing as a player, when you get better talent around him also, that's going to help out. So I would start off with Shador at 1 ,000%. He's leading off. He's the team. I think the locker room loves Shador too. It's like the vibes. You see what's going on. Nobody, he's doing all the right things. He's not doing nothing for the team to be like, no, no, no. We're not. No. Everything that I see, Miles Garrett, we love Shador.

24:32James Harrison:So top dudes are talking about that. He's motivated. He thinks that he can be the starting quarterback. I think he can be the starting quarterback. We're going to see on the field, but it's going to be a competition. I don't think he's going to get beat out during training camp. It's going to be him and Watson getting reps. You're going to have to, Deshaun Watson's going to have to do something ridiculous to make, I feel like he takes Shador's job. I feel like Shador has a job. He's going to have to lose it, and Deshaun's going to have to take it. And then when you go into the regular season, we see how it goes.

25:00James Harrison:Start him off. He ended the season as a starting quarterback, so he knows what it's like. So run it with Shador and have Deshaun still working, competition, competing, whatever. But I think it's Shador's job to lose. yeah I would have to I would have to agree with you on that I think it's more of uh Shador to lose it and it would be a it would have to be a great great like take of Watson going out there and looking like he was looking before he came to Cleveland for him to get a shot at it because they like dude you owe us back pay like you ain't we got you 200 something you know fully guaranteed and we ain't got nothing but, you know, what you say, nine games in the last four years.

25:44And when you, you know, you go and look at it, go to 24, he was seven games, 164 a game, six touchdowns, three interceptions, one win. Takes Shador seven. He had 175. He had eight touchdowns, but he did have 10 picks. Three wins. It's better, but Shador is a rookie, and it's a learning curve. So his next year coming this year should be greater than what it was. Watson was already well into the game. You know, his career had got going. So you add that on top with two whole years missed, you know, all the injuries. I don't see him being able to get much better than what his last performance was.

26:29Actually, I see it, you know, declining. You got to get back into a groove and all that. and you're already running with Shador. He's younger. You got Watson. He's going to be older. And like you said, he done lost a lot of the things that made him special just from injuries and not being able to be on the field.

26:48James Harrison:Yep. Going into year 10, you're a quarterback. I'm hoping that everything's going. But you know what it is? Two Achilles tears, Debo. That's not like a simple thing. You're coming back from an ankle joint. You know what I'm saying? It's bone. Get it fixed. You're good to go. So this is, you know what I'm saying, real, it messes up athletes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, man. So Kyle Shanahan, I guess he had to pull old Joe Burrow to the side and tell him, you know, chill out with that flag football thing. He said, I guess he was coaching him in that flag football event. He said, I had to grab him one time.

27:25And I'm like, dude, chill out, man. I remember in one of our first practices, Logan Paul ran full speed to try and grab his flag. And he made a move and he kind of collided. And I'm just sitting there like, oh, my God, we got a YouTuber running into our quarterbacks. That's wild. Bangles head coach, Zach Taylor, couldn't even bring himself to watch it. He said, I pretended like it wasn't happening until it was over. So I'm thankful we got through it and we're good and we'll move forward and get ready for our season now. If Joe's going to do something, he's going to go all out and do it. He's trying to win.

28:08And that's why we and that's why we should love him.

28:16What you what you thinking? All right. Listen, I'll tell you the truth. So originally, I wasn't tripping on it. Okay. Yes. You know, I know I said I would let Joe play in the flag football, Olympics, and all that. But, you know, I should have changed my opinion when I saw the actual tape. But I was in recruiting mode. You know how they go. When they come to you, when the coach comes to your house, he sits down there with your mom and your dad. He tell you all the lies. Uh-huh. Yes. Yeah. You get the single digit. You get all the. Yeah. Uh-huh. I tell you, yeah, tell you everything. So, you know, I was in recruiting mode.

28:56I should have backed up off of that. But it is no way in God's greener, I am like 100 million thousand. I am infinity percent against him playing in anything else but NFL quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers. What do you think, y 'all? Yeah.

29:25James Harrison:If I'm the owner, if I'm the owner for the Cincinnati Bengals, and I have my franchise quarterback out there, that I need him out there on Sundays. That's what I actually do pay him for. And I know he gives us it all. He's running around. But if it was the fifth, we all be drunk. But if Joe Burrow were to get out there and tear something up, how crazy would we be looking? You know what I'm saying? How crazy would the Bengals be looking? And everybody's like, no, no, no, you're doing it for them. No, that was a flag football joint just for views, just to get people out there. No, I don't know. There's no real bread here.

30:06James Harrison:Joe Burrow's making$45, like$50,$55 million a year to be a professional quarterback and has missed games because of injuries. You know what I'm saying? And games. So, like, there's reasons why NFL contracts don't let us do certain things. Did they allow him to do that? Did the Bengals say you could go do this? I would guess. My thing was this. I don't know. I actually thought that, like, the flag football thing, like them playing quarterback, in my head, I'm like, oh, that ain't a big deal. They're going to be throwing the ball. And then when I saw it, I'm like, they actually let them run. Yeah.

30:43When you get blessed, you can take off. He's trying to make cuts and moves, and you got other dudes running at you full speed trying to grab a flag. That's a recipe, especially for a guy that's already done had a few injuries. That's a recipe for disaster. Like, I am not letting you do that. Like, that's a non-football injury, even though it's in football. You can't get injured playing flat football. Oh, no, no, for sure. Because when you do NFL football, that could be a horrible outcome for him if he had got hurt. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, for sure.

31:13James Harrison:Because that's what you say, it's a non-football injury. Those are ones that, that's what gets you up out of your contracts. Yes, yes. So somebody, I don't know. Like I said, originally, I just thought, yo, you go out there and you just sit in the pocket like Tom Brady do, like for real, and just throw the ball. But when I saw him like shaking and baking and moving and all that, like his shake and bake ain't really like that. And, you know, he went max shake and bake too. Yeah, he almost tore his own thing. Not even, didn't nobody even touch him. Just trying to, you know, get it. Nah. I'm not rocking it.

31:52Joe, I was in recruit mode, and I was lying to you at that time. See? Okay. There we go. You got some honest. You want to stay safe? Your offensive line is not protecting you over there. We can protect you over here. Your coaching staff ain't putting the people around you. We going to put the people around you. We doing it right now. Mm-hmm. Joe Burrow. You know, we going to keep them nice and protected.

32:21James Harrison:Good line, good defense. Hey. You score? We got to, what? We going to stop them from scoring. You ain't going to be out there in no shootout. Bro, you going to be able to chill, hand the ball off. Hand the ball off, watch them run, burn the clock. You ain't going to be out there, you know, having to go out there and put your life at risk with a line that can't block for you. Can't get you to play. You got to pass. We sitting over here. It's never too late. Now that, see, that's, look. All right. I just want him to be safe, man. All I want is safe for him. Me too. And I don't think he getting over there.

33:03I want his joy back, Joe. You want him to just love the game. I want him to love the game again. That's it. You know?

33:12James Harrison:I respect it. Because if that, Debo, you already know, I'm all in for Joe Burrow, for sure. that's just that's just that's just like a it's just so far in my mind because I'm like if that happened that would just be crazy unbelievable and you would be the first person that ever ever you've been bringing this up Debo for a long I went back on the thing you brought this up like six months ago listen man I'm just I gotta talk you gotta speak it into existence now look at you don't always you know the timing you know sometimes it's immediate sometimes it takes a while. You know what I'm saying? Man, it's not in your time.

33:53James Harrison:It's in God's time. Yes. Yes. Yes. Hey, listen, man. The older wine get the better it tastes. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. That came to sweat. Yes, sir. Yes, sir, man. Look here. The Ravens over there. Lamar Jackson done showed up at offseason. Yes, he did. It's supposed to be a big deal, man. I guess we got a video, man. Look at the video, man. I don't care. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Hey, man. You know who you never going to. You never. Yep, that's that grind. That's that grind. That's what you would. Your quarterback, he in there. They quarterback. Yep. Right. Sliding. Joe. LaFont. I guess.

34:52What's up? I guess Lamar going to the off-season program thing is a big thing. You know, it's not a big thing. Okay. It's Lamar being a professional, right? You have a new coach, which means you get additional. You go into, you can go in two weeks earlier. So you got new things that's going in. You got new things to learn. You know, you get an earlier start. The coach gets to go ahead and, you know, start his program a little earlier.

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39:00He's taking the lead. and it's that's what you're supposed to do

39:05James Harrison:yes but I am me you just said you prefaced this all that you said the good part and then but I am me and I'm a SteelSman yes you are I don't want them building nothing in that building okay I tried my best to speak to Lamar's ego about them expecting him to be there. Okay? Obviously, it didn't work. It didn't work. But! But! I'm still hopeful that he may only be there for a few days. And he has a change of heart and leaves early. Lamar, Listen to me. You can still do that because you are Lamar Jackson, a generational talent. That he is. Who are they to tell you what they expect? Meaning you better be here or else.

40:23You a grown man. You can do what you want. Who they talking to like that? That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying about it. How is you a grown man making millions, millions, millions of dollars? He going to try and tell you what you expect. You're a grown man, Lamar. What you better do. You're a grown man, Lamar. Joe, what's your view on this? What's your view on this recent development, Joe?

40:46James Harrison:I could just say this. Everything you said at the beginning of your statement, I was rocking with too. I'm happy for Lamar. It's good for Lamar. I like Lamar Jackson. Do you know what I'm saying? As the player. As a player, as a football player, I like Lamar Jackson. He's just dynamic. I want the best for him. I don't want him to not do well. I don't want him to go out there and get hurt. I don't want anything, no harm on Lamar Jackson. I love his game. So for me, for him to go in there and just team-wise, when you're a quarterback, when you're the leader of the franchise, it is always good to be able to get that relationship as early as you can with your receivers, with your line, get your timing together.

41:27James Harrison:because you're touching the ball every single play. You're the most important person on our squad. And with Lamar's case, you're the best player on our squad, the highest paid player on our squad. Everybody's going to follow you. You got the swag. You got the juice. You, Lamar Jackson, you've been the MVP of the league a couple of times. So if you're in the building, everybody should be in the building. You know what I'm saying? So you just kind of laying that foundation. Lamar's in this joint. Y 'all better be in here. There's no reason why nobody else is working if Lamar's in here working. You know what I'm saying?

41:58James Harrison:So I love it from that perspective. Every other thing you said, it's getting them confidence. That's why you don't like it. Because you're like, no, you expect them to be out there. The new coach, him saying that is, him saying it is he would expect his best player to be there. He hopes that he would be there because especially now, he's a new coach. So we got new language. We got new terminology. We got new stuff going in. And hopefully, if you want to be the best that we can be, you're going to come in here early and get it done. And Lamar's showing that he wants to get it done. So it's kind of, it works out.

42:29James Harrison:So the coach is probably looking at Lamar like, thank you for showing up. You making me look good. We got the best player in here, like buying in, basically. That's full-blown buying. So it's a good look. So I bet coach is rocking with Lamar Jackson more now, wanting him to succeed because he's saying and showing the squad that I'm in here, I'm trying, I'm motivated. And contractually-wise, he got two years left. So, Debo, this is what you can look at on the bright side. Lamar trying to get paid again. They're tripping. So if Lamar goes into this after this year, he's going to have one year left on his contract.

43:03James Harrison:And then if he goes in with one year left, Lamar like what they going to do, then they better back up the brinks or he could just play one last year and then see if he can want to test free agency. So like Lamar Jackson might be able to be on the road unless they start acting right and start paying them like they he wants a new deal. And I think that's a whole other thing, too, why he's going to be in there showing them, look, I'm bought in now. You know what I'm saying? Show me something. So I think it's a little bit of two. So you can see if they you're going to hear. I think we'll be hearing contract talks about the Ravens, too.

43:37James Harrison:So Lamar's in there trying to show him like, look, I scratch your back. You scratch my back. Oh, you know what I'm saying? I understand what you're saying, but I still didn't hear your your butt part of it. My butt part is not good for the Browns and the Steelers. It's not good for the AFC North. It's not good for the division. Like Lamar Jackson being at the top of his game and his team rallying around him and him and the receivers and them just being able to be on the flow, that's not good that's the butt you are Joe Joe Joe stop this stop this shit what's up man you are going to be a hall of fame player I want you to talk to Lamar's ego right now alright you want me to talk to Lamar's ego if they don't give you the bag Lamar the way that you deserve then you need to go ahead and you know what I'm saying then you might have to bounce out I need him to get out of there because because look you you are who you are That's a fact.

44:52James Harrison:So, you know, Debo, I don't want to have to be negative, but that part of us, the ego part is, Lamar, you that dog, and they need to give you$65 million a year on a five-year deal, fully guaranteed, or you need to go ahead and bounce out that thing. There we go. How about that, Debo? That don't get him out of there right now, Joe. I need him to leave and not finish the program. to everybody else to leave. See, I can't, man. That's not, I don't got it in me to just be out. No, I'm going to leave that to you. I'm going to leave that to you. I'm going to leave that to you, D, but I can't. I can't.

45:31Right.

45:32James Harrison:Right. You know, I see what type of person you is. Boy, you ain't willing to do the dirty stuff that need to be done. Hey, sometimes you got to get your hands dirty. Sometimes you got to get your hands dirty. So, hey, listen, It's dirty stuff about your job that you got to do, Joe. Sometimes you got to come down in there and you got to fill in that gap. You know what that means? My heart is pure. My heart is pure, D-Bo. That's all I can tell you. Legitimately, my heart is pure. Look at you. Look at you making that face when I'm talking about having a pure heart. That's how I can tell you ready to do some dirty work.

46:10Joe. Joe. I'm new. I'm new. I'm new to this. You are. I'm trying to get pure, you know. You true. You true to it. I'm a pig that like to roll around in the mud and then go get washed off. You know, I get dirty all the time. It feel good. It was a feeling that I was used to, but I'm, hey, I'm fighting for my life. I ain't every day. I'm out here fighting for my life.

46:35James Harrison:Hey, bro, you are the devil and the angel on each shoulder. That is actually you, bro. I got one here. I got one here. They be talking to it. because I know you got so much good in you, but you got a lot of bad in you too.

46:54James Harrison:And I mean that with the most, utmost respect. Oh, man. Tom Bowles. Let's go over here to Tampa, bro. Tom Bowles says, Baker Mayfield and Kevin Stefanski will have to figure out their beef. So after the Falcons named Stefanski, their new head coach, Baker, accused Stefanski of treating him like a piece of garbage. Baker also said he can't wait to see him twice a year. Taubo said that they have to decide that on the field. He said, I think that's something that they have to figure out from the standpoint, from that standpoint, since we can't have a boxing match where they get to get in the ring with each other and knock each other out.

47:39you know you know we're going to back our guy baker and i'm sure they're going to back their coach as well it's a division game so it's already going to be tough fought hard fought game so it just adds to it um they're already like you said they're already division opponents and it's a rivalry this obviously will add a little bit of fuel to the fire um Joe, is there any games where you were like, you know, I'm going to circle this game on there, you know, and each year you're like, yeah, I can't wait to play this team or this coach or, you know, whatever it was on the schedule. And please don't say the Steelers.

48:25See, why would I not say the Steelers? Look, I wanted to play. Because you were disappointed a lot. I think you were, what, 3-11? So, that doesn't matter. I mean, that's kind of like Cleveland, you know, high hopes.

48:39James Harrison:I wanted to go against, because I wanted to go against A, B, because if you strap the best, then that lets people know that you are the best. And I wanted to be on that. I was playing one-on-one A, B. I knew what time it was. So I wanted to go against, honestly, I wanted to go against A, B, just to see where I was at. D-line, please get there, because you're going to have me out here looking crazy if you don't. I can't cover them all day. I can't cover all day, but I'm going to be trying my hardest. So we had AB, and then I'm not going to lie to you, I would look forward to AJ Green. Andy Dalton and AJ Green.

49:16That's more of a matchup y 'all could win.

49:20James Harrison:Yes. We won more of those than we lost, I would think. And I had pretty good days. Andy would throw me some. You know what I'm saying? So those were good times. So A.J. Green and Antonio Brown, the Steelers and the Bengals. I would circle those games because I was on my personal matchups. My thing was I couldn't score points. You know what I'm saying? I can make sure A.B. had under 50 and didn't score. I can make sure A.J. Green had under 50 and didn't score. And that's what made me feel like I was doing my job. And every time, what were the catches? Did they get in the end zone? Did they get third down completions?

49:59James Harrison:Did they move to chains? Did I lose on third down? Like, when my one-on-ones, I wanted to be win more, way more than I lost. So, like, those were just, in my mindset, like, it's going to be what it's going to be. Jody, just don't make it be on you. If I got scored on by AJ, I felt like, dang, when we lose this game, for sure. That's on my head. And with AB scored, I'm like this, oh, yeah, we're going to lose for sure. That's on my head. I lost us the game. In my mind, like, oh, hell. If we mess around and win this game, thank you, team. Like, y 'all done looked out for me because I let y 'all down.

50:34James Harrison:Like, I got scored on, and now for sure we should. If we lose, I'm sitting there like this. No, I don't care what none of y 'all say. Did y 'all see when I got bombed up? Like, duh, game was over. In my mind, we lost. Like, damn, Joe. I'm walking to the day, right? It's all good. I'm like, I know it's not, but you know what I'm saying? I appreciate it. That's on me. That's on me. It's all good, Joe. No, it ain't. Man, we need to make sure they don't get no first downs, and I just got scored on. Game over. Hey, you fighting an uphill battle, baby? Fighting. Fighting, bro. Under 50. If you get them under 30, like for real, for real, under 30, but that under 50, under three catches, under 50 yards.

51:19James Harrison:Ooh, that's tough right there. Out of the zone. Out of the box, obviously, was the best one. But just consistently, under 50, you was good. I'd agree with that. No touchdowns here? Zero tutties. Bro, if you touchdown, you lost. Yeah, you can't give up no touchdowns. Bro, you can't even give up third down conversions. You starting to lose. Like, third and three, you give up a slant. Ah, you're looking crazy. Why did you do that? Like, no, that's your money right there. I'm going to have to go look back at your Joe versus AB stats, man. Okay, no, I'm going to go look back, too. If we had some battles.

51:56Less than 50. That's a hard one. That's a hard one. How many times y 'all played? About 10? Eight.

52:06James Harrison:Probably something like that. 19, eight, something like that. Yep, yep. I'm going to get the... I'm going to go look back at the combo comparison. The catches, the third downs. I'm going to go watch them joints again. Because now I got... Somebody tell us what the numbers were. Well, I know one thing. I remember the one when he hit me on Thursday night football. Slip on the comeback. I mean, on the back shoulder fade. Oh, my goodness. I was looking sweet. We were in all white in Pittsburgh. And he caught it. And all my boys got hit. And that boy, all that white. That boy went shit on it. And it didn't even matter on that one.

52:45James Harrison:Because slipped all up. Oh, bro. That was so bad. AB had a couple of good ones on me. Thursday night, baby. Ain't nobody watching nothing else but football, too. Man, watching me. And look, that's when I came through. Hit your boy Heath Miller. Fum! Fumble! Yeah, my boy. Oh, okay. Y 'all won that game. See, there we go. I'm trying to talk. I was asking the question. Did I tell you that I got scored on by A.B.? I'm just asking the question. What do you think? Yes, no. We did not win that game. Joe, good. I mean, you get so offensive, Joe. I mean, I can't even ask questions. I'm about to... Good Lord, man.

53:26I'm just asking questions. Goodness, man.

53:29James Harrison:You're not listening to the contest clues. I told you... I'm sorry. We lose. Oh, he scored. Okay, I got you. He scored. So what do you think happened? When I heard the fumble, it made me think that you got the score back and you returned the fumble for a touchdown. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, okay. Okay. Understandable. I got it. I got it now. Yeah. I can't say that I circled any games, to be honest with you. The fact that you actually showed up to the game was disrespectful to me. So that was motivation enough for me. I think. I like that. I like that. Oh, yeah, yeah. You showed up. That mean you think you could beat me.

54:07Y 'all actually came. You know what I'm saying? That was like, oh, that's just, that was, you know, that was in my mind. That was disrespectful to me. You should have just forfeited and went home and just gave us the win. Thank you.

54:17James Harrison:Yeah, yeah, I mean. Yeah, just having that mindset is right. But they also professionals. They got a job. Yeah, I don't care. Sometimes, I mean, that was just my mindset. You actually showed up to the game. That was enough. You know? Damn, you, yeah. Like, y 'all need to not even show up to your job. The closer it gets a game day, and then the closer it gets a game time, like, the coach ain't, like, come over and be like, hey, y 'all, listen, you don't want to play y 'all boys, man. We won't. Like, you know, we sick or something. everybody got the flu like, hey, let's get up out of here. So now we got to go out here.

54:51We got to put lights out.

54:52James Harrison:You saying basically like... Y 'all put me to sleep. You basically like, y 'all didn't watch enough film to see what I do? Okay. That's what you're saying. I'm just saying like, I mean they used to call it the Steelers defense, the 2008, 79, all that, 10, like that deep. Man, they used to call us Nightquale. Yes. That's a fact. You're going to sleep. Yeah. We all put, everybody going to sleep. Mm-hmm. Ryan Clark. You ain't even know. You ain't even know that's the thing. You ain't even know we're putting you to sleep. No. I put one to sleep in Miami. Anybody putting himself to sleep. I just know one thing, you know, because I saw my man Ryan Clark out there.

55:32James Harrison:He would put his own, you know, you got to risk yourself to put yourself to sleep. Joe, I told, I told my dude, E, came from New England. I think he played with me. E, Brown. middle backer. Yeah. He said, hey, what you, you know, what you be doing, man, that, you know, be putting people to sleep? I said, listen. I said, if you want to put somebody to sleep, you got to be willing to go to sleep. Exactly. I said, because sometimes you might be the one that go to sleep. So you got to be willing to go night-night to put somebody night-night. Yes, yes, yes. Yes. That's exactly how, Debo. There it is.

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