Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Steelers Fans Split on Mike McCarthy Hire? + LeBron Back to Cleveland?

26:09They say quarterback play, coaching. Which one do you think, Joe?

26:13James Harrison:I would say, I thought when it was 2017, when I was looking at it, I thought sometimes it was coaching. It was defense. when we lost to the when we lost to Jacksonville in that year I feel like the offense did extraordinarily well our offense when we had Le 'Veon Bell when we had Ben when we had Antonio Brown we had um what was my other two receivers we had Juju was there and uh the Marte Bryant Bryant also our offense was putting up crazy numbers Shazier ended up getting hurt so I think when I first got to the Steelers that 2017 season that was the most talented team I played with So I think when we played Jacksonville, we had turnovers on offense, but we still scored 43 points.

26:56James Harrison:So I think defense could get in there too. I think coaching. I think we could say quarterback play, but I think it was a – You got – they gave them four options. They said quarterback play, coaching, ownership, management, or other. So they didn't even put defense in there as an option because I would have thought – I mean, I think quarterback play, coaching, and I would put defense in there as a – Okay, so what would you put on the defense? is that on the player or is that on the coaching ability? It's a little bit of everything. A little bit of everything. Okay. A little bit of everything. I think there's – So if you had the point at one major thing, what would be your number one?

27:41James Harrison:It's all – I'm telling you, like – Oh, Joe stuttering, y 'all. The way that they broke it down, quarterback play, coaching, If they put defense in there also, then I think it would be the 33%, 33%, 33%. Okay. So me, I'm not going to sugarcoat it. I believe it to be coaching. Okay. And we are going to get a great chance to see in real time this season if that's true or not. Yeah. Because we are running it back basically with the same team. All right? Would you say that it's the same team? Like, they got the quarterback back? Yes, they got the quarterback back. I think it was a little bit better team with another corner, a better secondary, a little bit better secondary, and a better receiving core.

28:26Okay. And like I said, we get an opportunity to run it back right here. Yes. Right. Now, I say it's coaching because when I look at it.

28:42So here's the crazy thing. as much as Mike Tomlin was a catalyst for the Pittsburgh Steelers when he got here. You know, you remember when he first got here, the first thing he did, dude, he cut Joey Porter. He cut Peasy. He cut Joey Porter senior. Okay. And I know for a fact, if BC was here, because that was BC guy, if BC was still here and head coach, Peasy would have got re-signed. They let Peasy go. they actually released him with still a year left on his contract. Okay? Okay. Do you think that was the record at the time? Hell, for me? For me, I thought it was, you know what I'm saying? Okay, no, no, for sure.

29:30But looking at from the outside and everybody else, they're like, yo, we just cut Jory Porter. Who is this guy? Who is this guy right here? Okay. Okay? And then immediately, 2009, we went back to the Super Bowl, won a Super Bowl. So you're talking about three years from winning our previous Super Bowl with Coach Cowher. We come back with Coach Tomlin, and we win a Super Bowl, okay? He brought in new energy, motivation, okay? That's what I was about to say. Go ahead. From 2000, I'd say 15, he has been the greatest hindrance to our progress because of his one inability to. I would say build and sustain a successful coaching staff and his power, dude, that he acquired, accumulated, you know, So with his ability to be able to take over the drafting process, which led to only two of, what was it?

30:40Two of 15 first and second round draft choices that actually had a long-term contract extension given to him. Okay. That's supposed to be your franchise, eight, 10-year players. and you missing on the easiest picks in the rounds of the draft. One and two, that should be automatic, right? Yeah. Okay. Now, everybody want to blame Omar Khan because he's the GM. All right? Let's look at this right here. Omar, dude, he wasn't the GM until 2022. By that point in time, Coach T had absolute power over that. So the NFL PA report card here where, you know, they gave Omar a sub-plus. I'm not with that. I'm not with that.

31:30But, you know, everybody else, they gave him a decent grade. You know, everything from a B, 60-something percent, I would say it would have to be at least a B. Where would you – how would you grade him? Where would you say as far as this? I would add Omar around a B. You would add Omar around a B. Yeah, I would add a B. Why a B? why b i got him at a okay and i put him at it since 2022 nope i put i put him at a since today since he i'm giving him a based on this year because previous years don't hold much weight because he really had no power in the process. Like anybody that has any knowledge of that knows that.

32:23But this year on, I know what the process is. I know what the process was when Bill Cowher came in, and I know what it stayed until he left. And I also know what it turned into around that 2015 team when you had, you know, a coach that had power basically to draft on feelings and beliefs, you know, more than it was, you know, actually what you see on the team.

32:52James Harrison:Kevin Colbert was there too. So Kevin all of a sudden started not being able to draft? That's what, that's the thing. I don't know the answers to these questions because when you raised ranking who was the GM and you're thinking Kevin Colbert was the GM. Kevin Colbert was the GM. That's what I'm saying. But you're saying when did you know the ranks of when who's making the draft decision when the GM is making it and then the head coach is getting the more power. It was a switching transition of power. Yes. That's what I'm saying. So when I'm ranking or when the general public like myself are ranking, I'm the only rank like I didn't know when Coach Tomlin started taking over the GM power.

33:31If it's just him and Kevin Colbert in a joint, you know what I'm saying, talking about what When it first came in, it is like what it is now. It was a collective. Okay. So you have your scouts. Okay. So that's something else too. Dude, you got to have a great scouting department because you're not able to go out there and look at everybody. So they got to be able to find those guys that they can see like, oh man, this dude is good. Let me get in front of somebody. Okay.

33:58James Harrison:Let me say this too. Let me get in. Because this is the thing. When you were saying this stuff about obviously now with the coaching, for sure, when we're saying now when Mike McCarthy is coming in, I think when I got to Pittsburgh, it was years and years into Coach Tomlin being there. And the one thing that I could see where you needed a new voice from when it's kind of like the accountability of just everything needs to be tight. there was just a looseness you know what i'm saying that was just going around and that looseness is a reason where errors come in where you know i'm saying like there just has to be sometimes there was accountability being held and if star players were doing certain you just gotta and things were just being like meetings like just look like late stuff and just like airports tolerate you till i can replace you that is a bad that's a that's a bad thing when there's no need When you're going to a place where nobody's getting that same treatment because everybody's moving the way they should move, like pros are going to be pros.

34:59James Harrison:You got your vets that, you know what I'm saying? They may have a little, but when the vet leeway is getting to a point where it turns almost blatant disrespect to where your team is seeing stuff, we're like, oh, like we can't be moving like this as a team. You know what I'm saying? Vet aside. So when you get a new coach in there, boom, he's not rocking. You set that standard from, it doesn't matter, from the TJ Watts to the Ben Roethlisberger's to anybody on the team where there's no leeway for nobody. We're coming in here. Everybody's going to be on. This is the standard. It's the standard. Execution.

35:31James Harrison:The eye in the sky. Don't lie. We're treating the very top player. The reason why you got like that is because you do everything right the entire time. You ball out. You grow that string because of all that good work you put in that bag. That's just what you do. You're a pro's pro. They don't have to worry about you no more. You know what I'm saying? It got to the point where now it just was a little too flowy. And I'm like, that's where we have the squad. We have the team. But the flowiness of everybody not on their P's and Q's. So that's what I'm like now with Mike McCarthy, us having vets, him coming in now with his coaching style.

36:11James Harrison:I'm calling the offense. The timing. Everything's going to have to be on time. Us not knowing the snap counts. You know what I'm saying? The defensive coaches holding everybody to a standard. So the film and speaking the same languages, that stuff wasn't when I was like, it was flowy. And I'm like, we got ballers here. So it works until it doesn't, until stuff is blown, until we were like, the communication is lacked. Because it's not like they don't know it the way that they should. You know what I'm saying? They're in because now we're misman. Now me and you are having a conversation where I'm like, dude, you're just giving me lock.

36:44James Harrison:It's not lock. You know what I'm saying? We should be able to do in and out, super flowy. That's just the way it is because it's easy for me, easy for you. You're calling lock because you don't know the situation. You shouldn't be in the game. He's afraid. He's afraid. We're afraid. Now you just go, I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Now you're making me look nuts. You know what I'm saying? We should be able to easily flow this, and now we're running into each other because you're afraid to call this, you know what I'm saying, this combination. So when you have new coaches holding every single person to the same language and everybody's talking to a boom.

37:14James Harrison:This is what it is. Your stars are on time and running these stuff and doing things because you can't. That's not what you do. That's not how you have everybody get the complete buy-in. So when I'm here with that, when I'm like Coach T, was the one thing that I would say was it was just a little that. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like McCarthy comes in. Now it's just we have to be on point. Everybody is just a new wave because the players, the talent was there. So when you say, I think coaching, right? So Joe, here, I'm going to let you, I'm going to take you off the hook. When you say flowy, I'm going to do your interpretation of what I believe you mean by flowy.

37:55I think when you say flowy, it's too many different things that are allowed by one player and not another player. And I'll give you an example. When I got to Pittsburgh, we stayed in dorms. Before I got there, them dorms, they ain't had AC. before I got there. Jerome Bettis, who was a Hall of Famer, stayed in the dorms. Yeah. Okay? You had everybody that stayed in those dorms. How many guys did y 'all have when y 'all were staying in apartments and renting Airbnbs when you got there? See, but no, that's the thing. Exactly. It shouldn't even be allowed because it's a standard that should be. But that standard was, I tolerate you until I can replace you.

38:34That's not a standard that you need that you can have, especially when you letting players do things so far in the extremes of others. Now, at what point do they feel like, oh, I done made it to that point to where I could do it? Now you got guys, you know it, year two, three, they gone. They ain't even at the hotel for room check or nothing. They gone. They done went home. Huh? Because you allowed a certain thing. And when you don't keep everybody doing, when I went over there to New England, man, I seen Tom Brady running to the meet and I said, oh, I must be late. Let me get up. No. if you five if you five minutes if you five minutes early you on time you know what I'm saying that's how they need for sure because he could close two minutes

39:15James Harrison:two minutes before the meeting and his meeting started yes dude and that's just how they ran everything now don't get me wrong I got privileges that a younger guy wouldn't get like I got to they made sure that you know I had space or hotel room to bring in people that did my treatment but they didn't allow me to do those things outside of different times that weren't based into the curfew of what was going on yes you know what i'm saying but they made sure i had access to the people that i was used to being able to have access to and when you say floy that's what you're talking about or that's what i'm saying you're talking about yeah you are saying what i'm saying yeah so i mean it's not it's not conducive to you know to having a team that is just A is A, B is B, and this is what it is, and we're going to flow with that, and it don't matter if you're a Hall of Famer or if you're a rookie.

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44:30James Harrison:It's 10 years in the bank. It's 10 years in the bank. So. But I believe in there's definitely supposed, you're not all getting treated the same. I'm not saying that in any way. I understand. But if the standard that you said is flowy, the basic of... The standard is not the standard. It's flowy. The standard is the standard. It's just wording. That's just something that sounds good. That's just a phrase. I done stamped something. The standard is the standard. No. The standard you just said is flowy.

45:05Does that sound like the standard is the standard?

45:07James Harrison:No, that's what I'm just... That it is. nailed down. Right. Right. And to be honest with you, I could have been one of those guys that was doing that. Yes, you were flowy as hell. I didn't. I didn't. I stayed in the hotel all night. I never checked out my room, dude. I got that. That was my time to get away. At the end. Okay. Oh, at the end when I wanted to get out. Yeah, when you was ready to get out. That was the, you was the flowiest of the flowy. No, I wasn't even flowy on that. I was trying to get released, bro. Yeah. Okay. And I was still there. I still never showed up late, Joe. No, you didn't show up late.

45:46I still never left early, Joe.

45:48James Harrison:No, you didn't. You didn't. You didn't. I was still the first motherfucker in the building. You was in there. What are you talking about? You was in there. You was in there, D-Bo. You was in there. You was in there. Stop playing with me. I'm at practice taking all the reps. And don't get a uniform put in my locker. Kiss my you-know-what. Yes. Yes. Stop playing. Okay. Okay. Stop playing with me. Show up to the game. My locker empty. You just said, stop playing with me, bro. Look here. You ain't give money until that. Until then. What did you say, bro? I said you had to put your, when you got flowy after they left your jersey.

46:23James Harrison:They ain't put your jersey. No question. You can't sit me there, have me practicing like all week. And then I know. Like it's a difference between, hey man, we think we go sit you down. Okay. It's a difference between no call, no show. I show up in there. I got everything going. and that ain't nothing in my locker. I told him right then and there. I said, if I ain't playing, I ain't staying. I walked out and went home. That was the crash out. I was doing everything I could from that point forward. You understand? Yeah. Man. Which quarterback would you keep on this 53-man roster? Which quarterbacks would you keep?

47:06Would you keep all four? would it be a combination of the three or would you keep all four what your combination would be joe they have aaron rogers will howard drew howard drew howler see the t drew howler at 57.9 they say all four 19 they crazy that's not happening no the the top bro the top bro yeah

47:28James Harrison:top bro love love mason he's a we we know what my man's max is with the steelers and you've got two drafted guys that you drafted haven't really had a chance to do anything. You got to give them a chance to shine and see what you got out of your draft picks. If one of them are just really that bad in training camp, then you're really ready to pull the trigger on like, man, we really messed up on this pick. But I think you have Aaron Rodgers. Will Howard is there. You drafted him for a reason. So I don't know if they could show. They probably could. If they just are bust, yes. But I don't think they are.

48:01James Harrison:I think we'd be able to at least have them get a shot, get a chance, let Drew sit behind Aaron and be able to see, learn for this rookie year, and then have them two dudes going into camp next year, seeing what's going on. And depending, we might, we bring in another guy that they may be seeing the draft. It's not like those two dudes would be everything that we have going on, but moving forward, they're young. We drafted them. They haven't had their chance yet. I would go with the top. I'm with you on that. That was an easy choice. And they asked him, who is the Steelers' next franchise quarterback?

48:35The options they gave him is a 2027 first-round pick, Drew Howler, Will Howard, or other. 52.3 % said a 2027 first-round pick. What do you think?

48:48James Harrison:You know, I would not be mad at what they're saying. Obviously, we don't know what Drew or Will have done yet. Yeah, I can't say yet until I see what they do. You can't say. We were like, who's going to be the first round? Depending on like if these young dudes that are playing in the college football season, the year has to happen. We have Drew. We have Will. We know it's not going to be A-Rod. So I don't know. I don't know. I can't. This one's just, you know, I'm saying something when I don't have anything in the bank for Drew or Will to be like, yeah, I like them. I've seen them show me something.

49:23James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? It gives it a chance. Right now, 2027 first-round pick is looking like the best option because I don't know what these guys have. Yeah, I'll go with you on that one. I agree with you on that. But we need to check out what's going on, man. It's a clip going viral. Aaron Donald working out with Steelers at safety, Jawan Brisker. Look at this, Joe.

49:50Look at the handwork, Joe. See the handwork, Joe. Yes. See the handwork, Joe. Teaching that man the handwork, bro. Out of control, man. Got. Got the beam. Okay. Turn the head, buddy. Turn the head. Buddy and press off. Buddy and press. Yeah.

50:23Hey.

50:24James Harrison:Now I'm past you. Past you. Get your hands off me. Get your filthy hands off me. Get your paws off me. Get your paws off me. Do it with your eye closed. Muscle memory. Like riding a bike. Like riding a bike, Joe. I still ain't forgot how to ride a bike, Joe. Come on, that's what I'm saying. You ain't forgot how to do these moves. I still ain't forgot how to ride a bike, Joe. Joe. Yes. Listen. how important um this pass versatility for a secondary safety guy um listen i'm gonna say this though i'm gonna say this hey joe yes what's with the quon brisker listen bro bro um i don't know if like you talking about doing this move on a running back or a tight end But I'm going to tell you this.

51:21AD is a lineman. He talking about doing that on lineman. So AD can do lineman shit on lineman. Bruh, if you go in there trying to do them moves right there on one of them linemen, they go toss you out the club. They go toss you out the club. Joe, tell him, Joe.

51:40James Harrison:We don't want the lineman's hands on us. At all. Don't want them to put our hands on us. This is more with the tight end. We working footwork. We working jab. You know what I'm saying? Get to a spot. I think that is – that's what Aaron Donald's telling him. Soon they think about putting – get your hands off me. You know what I'm saying? You can't let them grab a hold of you. So he's just – I think he's showing them the quick moves of getting in there and if he is going against a tight end or running back. You know what I'm saying? Now you can butt and press in and get him a ball for you. But don't butt the offensive tackle because then he got you.

52:15James Harrison:Then you're going to put them paws on the outside of you. Now there's nowhere for you to go. You're going to be trying to rip, and you're going to be hemmed up. So, use it on tight ends quickly. Running backs, but linemen, avoid them at all costs. Don't let them get their hands on you. Don't not, because it gets ugly fast. Next thing you know, you're going sideways. You're trying to still move your feet, and they're not letting you go sideways. It should get ugly. And then they falling on top of you, trying to do all the most. Linemen. Yes. And the dirty linemen. Soon they don't, they just grab me.

52:45James Harrison:I'm like, oh, my God. Here we go. That's why I'm trying to just catch him. I got to catch him running sideways. I got to catch him running sideways. Oh, he got me. I'm going on the ride. I might just go dead legs and just let my feet go. Boop and roll. That's when they do the splash on you, though, Joe. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's why I got a cover. He's trying to literally land on my side, shoulders. Oh! Yeah. On the ground. Yes, Deebo. Not a good feeling. Listen, man. I'm just glad that - Don't let them linemen get hands on me. All that talk about AD coming back, man.

53:16You think he going to come back?

53:18James Harrison:I mean, it's on his body, Debo. It's on his body. He looks like he can. I mean, I don't think so. After two years of chilling, I mean, it depends on if he comes. If he comes back into the season like my man, like the safety, Weddle, like Weddle did, end of the season, playoffs. He ain't coming back, bro. Man. He ain't coming back. All right. If he don't come back this year, he's definitely not coming back ever. It was two years. It's been two years, right? It's been two years. This will be the second year. This will be the second year. So we only took one year off. That was the year before we come.

53:53Joe, I took off three weeks, and I was like, yo, I was almost 42. I was 39. But I was like, yo, this – y 'all lucky I signed that contract, bro. And my daddy told me I had to finish what I started. Otherwise, after A, after that first practice, Joe, and I fought it in.

54:14James Harrison:I already know. Once I was gone, I was definitely gone. And Aaron Donald said he retired because he had accomplished everything he wanted to and no longer had a desire to continue the year-round training regimen. He accomplished everything he wanted to. I don't care about the year-round training regimen. He accomplished everything he wanted to. So him coming back now with a stacked team, Do you think that would be a greater accomplishment than what he had already did? No. That's why he's not coming back. He's already first ballot. It's already done. It's free? Yeah. Whatever Aaron Donald want to do, I'm not going to be one to tell him not to come back.

54:57James Harrison:AD ain't coming back, man. He said, you know, accomplish everything. What you want me to do? Come back for what? For what? I don't have to. You don't have to. You don't have to. You're chillin'. AD up. I'm moving on. I'm up out of here. That man got businesses and all that going on, man. Man, he is good. AD is good. AD is up. Joseph, somebody hating. Uh-oh, who hating? We got an anonymous AFC exec is calling out overpriced NFL receivers. Joe, he says, I think the wide receiver price has gotten so crazy that teams are warming up to the fact that they can get a super talented back with pass-catching abilities instead, paying$17 or$18 million a year for a guy that doesn't sound so bad anymore.

55:49He said the top average annual value at the position, Seattle's SNJ, is$42.1 million. It is more than double the top running back, which is Philly's Saquon Barkley at 20.6.

56:14Joe, you think the bag's getting too big for these receivers, Joe?

56:17James Harrison:Nope. Never. Nope, no, never. Bags never too big. Bags never too big. You hating? Bags never too big. The bag can never get too big. I want to know who this is. If they're paying it, it's time for them to go out there and get it. Like, quarterbacks, end of the day, they know the money's going to continue to go up. And with the salary cap, it's only, they can only give, it only makes sense for a reason. So, with the percentage of how much it takes up now versus back in the day, it is what it is. And I'm never going to take down anybody getting bread. Quarterbacks, you're going to tell me at the end of the day, too, bump down the quarterbacks then.

56:52James Harrison:Highest paid quarterbacks making$60 million a year. And you're going to tell me now these just average - Right, what are we talking about? $30 million a year, like it's nothing. and they just, now you're talking about - Kill the cap. He's making, kill the cap. Like, kill the cap. Like, if you can't give them what they're worth and the guys that aren't what they're worth, then it's going to be what it is. But like, end of the day, I can't never say that 42 is what it is because that's the going market for the next man up. Like, Jamar Chase did the 40. Now, Jack Smith and Jigba did the numbers. Great dude.

57:22James Harrison:This is the right way. Not a problem. Right on time. Falling. It's his time up. He's up. So he's going to be the next man to go do what he has to do because they're planning on. He's done the numbers. He's beat his rookie contract. He's out here setting the new levels of receptions and yards. So that's what it is. And the market is now it's going to have to pay what it's worth. So that's why when you see Patrick Mahomes now signing for damn near a billion dollars, he can sign that because they know Patrick Mahomes is going to go up. Quarterback making 65 now. Next time, it's going to be 70. The next year when it starts going up, these dudes like how just Trevor Lawrence is$50 million a year.

58:01James Harrison:It's not a thing. Daniel Jones, you know what I'm saying? These quarterbacks are making$35 to$65 million a year. And they want to say, once you get to the highest of the highest, the dudes that are set in the market, that's what happens. Now, the other guys that are right around those levels and then the jump seems so crazy. How am I going to pay? Just do 30. Because you're paying the top of the market at 65. Middle looks crazy at 30, but it is what it is. So you're going to have to figure that out in your own way. It's not like running backs, I'm sorry. 20 there is going to be 40. So you're just going to have to figure out these numbers.

58:38James Harrison:So dudes are getting paid. I'm geeked for them, but it's just like you're going to have to figure it out. The teams, don't come over here and look at the players. It's because the cap's going up. You guys are making more money. Everybody's making more money. So that's why now everybody's pay keeps going up. You guys are making those. So don't get here looking crazy. Oh, it sounds crazy because back in the day when we were first, I didn't know the highest paid quarterbacks were making$16 million a year. Highest paid corner, if you can get the double digit, you were making$10 million a year. You was that dog.

59:08James Harrison:So now it's like, no, they're making 30 to 32. You know what I'm saying? Joey Porter Jr. looking at my contract, I stung. Me, we were looking for Patrick Peterson, me, Richard Sherman. Richard Sherman hit for$15 million a year. So we were like, oh my gosh, that's the one. Then Patrick Peterson signed for$14 ,000 and I got$13 ,500. So now I'm like, okay, boom, five years,$68 million,$45 ,000 guaranteed. Back in the day, oh, we cranked now,$400 ,000. Yes. It's fukkooed on. Yes. So it's like, no, that's just what it is. Like, it's just the new market, the new days. When you be looking at the deals, it's like, what are we talking about?

59:44James Harrison:So we can't knock the dues. Everybody's going to get their bread. It just sounds crazy because it's going up. People are making so much more money. The deals are going up because they can. The cap is getting higher. So the deals sound more crazy, but it's not. We have 53 players. Like the basketball dudes, they're getting this. Their deals are going up. Half a bill. All guaranteed. My man making 72. Shea Giles, Ajax Andrew. Four years,$278 million. $72 million a year. Fully guaranteed no matter what happens for these next four years. So they're fully guaranteed, brother. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Every dollar.

1:00:22James Harrison:Every penny. Boom. You just going to have to see what it is. I am happy for everybody that's able to get their bread because it looks crazy because just the market is going up. Like it's just the 10 million back in the day in 2010 for the highest paid corner. 16 million back in the day in 2010 for a highest paid quarterback. Now you're looking at 65 for the highest-paid quarterback and 30 for the highest-paid quarterback. Like, we looking at it now with, like, the backup quarterback market. We looking at that. Like, I mean, do they deserve it? How are we looking at Baker Mayfield? He was trying to go get him a bag.

1:00:56James Harrison:He was getting 35 a year when dudes were getting 55, 60. He's like, I'm confident. Y 'all can't give me that? Y 'all can't give me 50? You know what I'm saying? Like, what are we talking about? And everybody looking like, Baker, we're not going to give you 50. He's like, why not? Look around the market. Okay, look what I've been doing. I got numbers to prove. Right. That's what it's going to come down to, dude. If your numbers are, what is it, up and near in that top 10? Mm-hmm. And you're going to the playoffs? You throw in there for 20-some touchdowns. You don't have to go for the bag. 20-some touchdowns, keeping a single-digit interception.

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